This is December 2nd, second hour, afternoon. The first hour there covered this matter of locks, secondaries, and engrams. Just want to repeat here.

This is December 2nd, first hour night class and we have tonight this first lecture on the axioms.

It’s a gradient scale, then, of ability to handle space, energy, and objects, a gradient scale thereof. You’ll find out there are some cases who have finally come down to the point where they think they can handle very well the space, energy, and objects appertaining to being a Homo sapiens in one lifetime. They think that’s the case. They become what you have seen occasionally as the wide open case.

We have the axioms more or less accumulated in ADVANCED PROCEDURE AND AXIOMS, and in the HANDBOOK FOR PRECLEARS. ADVANCE PROCEDURES AND AXIOMS is the later issue. There’s a whole rundown of axioms. There’s about two hundred and ten axioms.

They record everything beautifully, they will run things beautifully on one lifetime. Don’t let this wide open case, however, open up or try to get him to open up any wider on existence – because they won’t, very easily. They do it very badly.

These axioms are divided into the Logics and in axioms, now Logics and axioms. All right, why do we have this division? It’s because the Logics apply and seem to apply at the time to a behavior level of thought which was persistent and consistent and didn’t necessarily apply to Homo sap… sapie… sapiens. Excuse me, Homo sap uh… it didn’t necessarily apply to him. But the axioms themselves as listed in ADVANCE PROCEDURES AND AXIOMS and HANDBOOK FOR PRECLEARS apply to Homo sapiens. That’s why they’re in that group. For Homo sapiens every thought is preceded by a counter-effort. Now that’s one level of thinking. That’s to some degree stimulus response thinking.

Your occluded case quite often is somebody who is trying to handle his whole track. Your high power occluded case is somebody who’s trying to handle the whole track. He’s… he’s trying to handle the whole universe and of course it’s all occluded. And he… he realizes he can’t handle it. And at the same time, he’s bound and determined he is going to handle it. And… uh… he kn… he knows he can’t occupy any point of space, but he’s going to occupy those points of space anyhow. And he’s unwilling to let go of the points of space he’s been in because they might be valuable. And… uh… so he won’t occupy the point of space where he is because that’s dangerous too, but it’s still valuable, but it’s not as valuable as occupying some other points of space he knows about. And he isn’t going to give up anything.

That’s not true of a thetan. And so the Logics as listed in ADVANCE PROCEDURE AND AXIOMS apply generally to thought, thought and its behavior in any activity. And the axioms, I say, apply peculiarly to Homo sapiens. So let’s pay then attention on these Logics and axioms, particularly to the Logics and then let me tell you that there is a thing above the Logics. And that’s what I’m going to talk to you first about.

You’re… you’re not going to find him handing up and saying, „I just live one life.“ Um-um. No sir, he’s gonna handle the whole track. Now, he gets… he gets kinda squirrelly on this every once in a while. He’ll - he’s so bound and determined he’s gonna handle a larger portion of the universe that he thinks the larger portion of the universe is interested sometimes in handling him. And you get a computing psychotic. He’s… who’ll tell you… who’ll tell you, „Well, my brain has just been wired by Western Union and… uh… so that the US Government can read my mind. And everything I think it goes on a tape recorder in Washington and they investigate this very thoroughly and I’m trying not to think of the secret that I know, because if I think of that, then they will have me,“ or something of the sort. Really squirrelly.

There is a series, a whole series, numbering about five, something like that, above the level of logic and above the level of axiom. Now just for pure cussedness, I’ve been calling these things the Qs. Just… just for orneriness… uh… just the letter Q, a mathematical symbol which maybe stands for quotient and maybe it stands for quatrain and maybe it stands for quarantine. We’re not interested in that. We’ll just call them the Qs, just a mathematical designation to differentiate them from other things.

But that’s the reductio ad absurdum of just that… just that, and it is quite absurd.

Actually, Q can be defined this way: it is the level from which we are now viewing, which is a common denominator to all experience which we can now view. This is the level from which we’re viewing all experience, and which does, by the way, act as a common denominator to all this experience, and the Q is the highest level from which we’re operating. This data then, these Qs, would stand behind everything else that we do.

But these boys, you’ll see… a lot of ‘em, and they’re actually not as… as bad off as far as responsibility is concerned. They will handle and try and tackle much more responsibility than a wide open case will, BUT they’re trying to tackle it on a big sphere, no little sphere for them.

And… the first one of these and its corollaries would stand as something… you know LIBERTY MAGAZINE puts a good picture they used to put four stars, give it importance… and ah… in books they very often underscore and put things in italics. Well, you want to put this first Q in italics about… in your auditing, is in your auditing. You want to put it in italics about 125 feet tall and then put 10 to the 21st power binary digits of asterisks after it. It’s took a long time to get this one… but what you can do with it is phenomenal. It’s nothing short of phenomenal. What you can do with this Q, and that of course would be the definition… the noble level of definition now of theta. And we can say then that the highest activity which we now reach is self-determinism in these terms. Self-determinism of theta is the ability to locate in space and time, energy and matter, and to create space and time with which to create and locate energy and matter. That’s number one.

Your wide open case is being perfectly content to handle just exactly this. They’re in a very close agreement on MEST and their agreement that they are there, they’re there where they’ve been placed and that they have recorded things just in this fashion and that those things are in this order and it’s very easy to upset one of those cases. But they’re quite easy to theta clear and bring on around to a wider point. They’re quite easy because you can undo the track of agreement with them fairly smoothly.

We ought to have a very good idea what this means. Let’s state it another way. Let’s take… let’s take self-determinism. We know that… the more self-determined we make a preclear why that’s… that’s fine. Uh… he… he gets better. His self-determinism keeps rising; he gets better and better and better. All right, that’s fine. Then what is the limit which we can now attain on something which probably has no limit? And what limit can we attain and define with accuracy? And then having attained it and defined it, how can we apply it and will it apply?

Uh… these cases appear to be quite, quite dissimilar. Actually they’re… it’s a problem of spheres of action between these two cases. Your wide open case’s sphere of action you will find is a very small sphere of action and… your occluded case is trying to make a much larger sphere of action. Actually, your wide open case gets in considerable trouble because their sphere of action is not this small center. Your occluded case also gets into trouble because their sphere of action is not the sphere of action that they can handle at that moment in that condition. So what do you find? You find theta overreaching itself. It’s always trying to overreach itself. It’s always biting off more than it can facsimilacate.

All right. Now that means then that here you have something which has… that’s… that’s theta. See it… it has no wave length, it has no position in space, any space, it has no position in time. It hasn’t any form, it hasn’t any shape, but it has an individuality for the individual and it has it’s own ability to be its own beingness and it can locate things in space and time. And when I say things, I mean energy and matter. It could not only do that, but it can create space, in time, in order to create… energy and matter. Now it can do all of those things, that’s… that’s… then therefore our Q is a potential. You could call it a capability.

And when… when you… get a confusion in a preclear, you don’t have to care too much about the minor structural mechanics of it. These all handle on the same thing. They handle in terms of space and energy and objects. And you just enter into the case, you just… you just know where he falls on the scale… uh… on the theta clearing scale. And you just pick it up at that level and go on from there.

Now I won’t say how many other capabilities theta has, but in this universe or in the universe which you create we KNOW it has those capabilities. We’re… we’re sure of this. This is a good anchor to windward; this is a brick wall; this is a fortress. This is stuff. This is really good.

You don’t care whether this fellow’s occluded, you don’t care whether he’s wide open. You don’t care anything about that at all. Because the reason he’s occluded and the reason he’s wide open has to do with how much responsibility he is trying to take and how much of that responsibility he is taking. And it’s a ratio.

Now a datum is really just as good to an individual as it’s workable, it’s no better than that. Even though it were going to be addressed to the aesthetic world, even though it were going to be addressed to aesthetics. Does it produce an aesthetic effect? That means it’s workable. So don’t get WORKABLE down there with digging ditches.

And when this ratio is bad, he’s trying to take… uh… let’s say 10,000 units of responsibility and at the moment he… his state and environment is in this condition whereby he could only take 500 units of responsibility, you’ll… you’ll get him… you’ll get him badly occluded. But… uh… he’d actually be badly occluded if he were capable, and he were trying to take 200 units of responsibility in terms of space, energy, objects. And… uh… this environment he was in and so forth was letting him in gently on the secret that he was only capable of taking over 10 units.

Will it do what we’re supposed to be able to do with it? Now, will it do these things or won’t it do these things? When we make that statement about theta, we follow that thing out, we say all right this is the theory, let’s now see if with it we can predict the existence of new phenomena which when looked for will be found to exist. And sure enough… sure enough. This predicts data. It predicts phenomena and if you use it in auditing, it keeps increasing the individual capability up, up, up, up, up with a very sure, good, solid gain. So far, there’ve been no exceptions to this. It’s not a variable then, it’s a constant.

Your wide open case maybe is taking over… believes it’s capable of taking over 500 units and is taking over 500 units. You see this… this society is rigged so that it’s quite agreeable, if a person has agreed that I am one person in one lifetime and I am living this and my name is Jones and there I am and… uh… they’re so and so, and that’s all my full responsibility on the matter at the time of life where I am. And his environment tells him, „You are capable of taking over the responsibility of being Jones in one lifetime.“ It’s all very nice. It’s all very sweet. He’s nuts of course, but… uh… uh… he is not occluded, which is important.

Now this isn’t everything that theta can do. This only says… this only says that we know for sure from the plane we’re operating on that theta could have or does create the space, and energy and matter which is the MEST universe and can move the energy and matter around in the MEST universe. And that, at the same time, it can create space and energy to make another universe. We know these two conditions exist. We can see those existing, and… uh… we can experience them. And actually, for man, a datum is just as good as he can experience it. And if he can experience a datum very broadly, it could be said to be a good usable workable datum. And if he… it… it’s just as… we… we might have some thundering fundamental capital Truth here.

Uh… but… uh… well, you know, you have a harder struggle sometimes with the wide open than you have with the occluded case. Sometimes it works the other way around. You want to get this kind of a balance. You want to get as much responsibility digested as the person believes he can digest. If he thinks he has an enormously wide responsibility, well, you just better move him up in terms of responsibility.

We… we might have some terrific truth and it could be stated, it could be stated, by K + Y over the square root of the minus Zed equals cats tails.

There’s only one thing wrong with that, is he’s hungry. He’s hungry and he… he’s every time you restore to him the ability to handle… handle another 10 units of responsibility, he… he bites another 200. And as such the auditor’s sort of racing with this and he… he sees… he sees this strange thing sometimes: his preclear’s evidently increasing in tone but he’s just as thoroughly occluded and loused up as before. And he keeps watching this and watching this.

And you say, „Cats tails? I don’t have much to do with cats tails.“ And you would say, „Well, that’s the truth behind cat tails. K + Y over the square root of minus Zed.“ „Humph.“

Now it isn’t the time to tell this preclear, „Now look, we have decided that you need a rest and uh… I think you’d better take a vacation or something of this sort and… and don’t worry about all these big affairs that you’re trying to worry about now, and just let that sort of thing go and just take it easy… and…“ You’re going to ruin him. ‘Cause that’s one of the steps that is taken as one of the control operations that is used on a person to get him into the automaticity schedule. It’s telling him, „You can’t stand up to this, fella.“ That’s what it’s saying.

You say, „Well, so what?“

It said, „You’ve taken over just this much responsibility and you can’t stand up to that.“ So it’s reducing him down the scale.

But you say, „Look, man’s search for this answer as far as cats tails were concerned; this applies not only to Persian cats but to Siamese and not only to Siamese but to alley cats.“ No workability.

You just try to track along behind, as the auditor, and just let him, let his capability catch up to his desire to do so. And in creative processing… in creative processing, we have the happy thing that we are aiming toward doing what he is trying to do. See, we’re going in directly so that catch-up is easier.

It doesn’t matter how true the datum is then. It… It’s how well can you make it work and how such work will it do for you. Well, this datum… this datum is really a nice big draft horse. It’s a big super… ah… ah… super engine sitting in the local power station. It’s atomic power. This thing… this thing, you can make things like… you can make things like, oh I don’t know. You can even make little things… you can even make small unimportant and nonpowerful things like H-bombs with it. Because compared to it, they’re not the same order of magnitude.

If you were to keep addressing that catch-up to the material universe, it would practically never… you’d never catch up with it. He’d just go wider, and wider, and wider and take in more and more responsibility and more and more space, and try to digest more and more space. And you’d let him digest 10 more units and he wants to take 200 more and you just keep going on this ratio until you’ve practically eaten up the whole MEST universe.

What are you talking about? You’re talking about this phenomenal thing this… this… this phenomenal thing which actually has an existence.

Now, maybe you could get there this way and it’s very possible that you could, but fortunately it isn’t necessary because this person is operating under a delusion. He has never differentiated one single, interesting point. And that is the MEST universe is not his own universe. And he believes that his universe and the MEST universe are identical.

How do we know it has an existence? Because you get a preclear up the line and all of a sudden he says, „Hey!“ He’s been telling you all the time he’s retreated into space to such a degree that he’s dispersed so he keeps telling you, „I’m not in space anyplace.“ Well, you know where he is, he’s… he’s gotta be collected before he can find the space he’s in in order to get out of that and get into his own space so he can get out of that and not be in any space.

His own home universe, you might say, using an allegory here, became devoured so fast at a… such a… an impact of shock to him that when he next looked around, he thought he was still in his own universe, but it had changed. And he’s still under the basic postulate that he’s running his own universe. He’s still caught in that postulate. And so he’s… can start anybody doing anything, but he can’t change them in doing it after they’ve started and he can’t stop them after they’ve started. And this is completely flabbergasting to him. This is incredible.

Well, here he is… here he is, then thoroughly collected and then he controls space and then he all of a sudden he’ll say, „Hey, isn’t this wonderful, there’s no space around here.“ Otherwise he’ll say, „Well, I don’t think I’m there at all. Really I’m probably… probably out, I’m probably outside this universe.“ No, you don’t want that. The guy discovers this as a wonderful datum - there’s no motion, there’s no space where he is. It’s very comfortably so. No motion, no space. You say, „Make some space.“

Now in his own universe, he would start something… he’d create something, start it in motion, change it, let it dwindle down a spiral maybe and then destroy it. That was his power. And he all of a sudden finds himself obviously in his own universe, obvious. And he starts something and then he follows through the next step kind of doggedly. And he says, „Now,“ he says, „We’ll change it.“ Oh no. Inertia and things like that set in.

He’ll say, „Okay,“ zing, zing, „there’s a space.“

He’s… like a cannonball. He fires the cannonball and he decides when it’s halfway in its flight it shouldn’t land. So he says, „All right. The cannonball will now go twenty feet to the left and miss the target.“ And that damn cannonball goes right straight on through and it hits the target. BOOM! Or he fires the cannonball; finds out that his aim was wrong.

„Now unmake it.“

Did you ever see anybody firing on a range? If you’re watching an expert rifleman on a range and he realizes that the instant that he pulled that trigger was 6 o’clock, number three ring, he tries to lift that bullet. You can watch him just lift that bullet up into the target. He’s trying to lift the bullet into the target because he knows he was low when he fired the trigger.

„Why?“

Did you ever watch anybody driving a car? And they realize that the car’s going just a little bit wrong or something of the sort? They try to take the steering wheel of the car and move the car over and make it go right. And MEST hands can’t do that.

„Well, go ahead, unmake it.“ „Why?“ The guy says, „Why should I? I just put something in it!“

So that’s very disgusting. It’s upsetting. You start some action and then the action goes off and then all of a sudden isn’t going in the direction that you intended it to go, so you reach out with everything you’ve got and try to right that action and change it into a better course, and it doesn’t change. And that we call failure. And that is the anatomy of failure.

Hey you know that’s very interesting, you know. Skip it. I mean, you… you’re not going to be able to audit this boy.

The inability to handle that which has been started, or which one has started after that course of action is entered. Inability to handle it after that course of action has been entered.

That’s no kidding. Of course, of course that is so high above any preclear you ever find and don’t ever let one get away with it, because he’s w-a-a-y up there. He’s way up there. He’d be so able that he could actually mock something up that was brighter and shinier and had greater workability than this stuff which is kinda old and messed around with and kinda stale and mildewed and it’s… it’s sad too. This stuff is sad. It says, „Here I have been serving you and we were built for you and you can use this universe and we have given our all to help you out, and eh so on. And we built all this for you and you must be careful how you use it,“ and so on. That’s a fact. Ah… that’s… ah… you’ll find preclears way down tone scale dramatizing this as auditors. You just get them to have the beautiful sadness of being the last auditor on Earth. They’re way down tone scale, can’t get out of their bodies, they… nothing is… but they’re auditing like mad, and you… you… you, „Now get the beautiful sadness of being the last person on Earth, nobody else here, you freed everybody. Now get the beautiful sadness of everybody going away and the last couple of preclears looking at you and saying, „Well, goodbye, I’m sorry we couldn’t take you with us. Now get the beautiful sadness of that and get that little statue, the small statue there that they made of you and so on and you can sit there and look at that statue while the others are all gone, see.“

What happens in a family? The guy has a little child, little child, nice… nice kid, baby, so on. And he says, „Gonna be president.“ What do you know? Turns out to be a subway conductor. Yeah, that’s just no good. That just obviously can’t happen in his universe and it’s obviously his universe.

He’ll say, „Yes. Hey, wait a minute!“ He says, „This is the way I feel.“

We know it’s his universe. He knows it’s his universe. Why, sure. He is himself, and all these other people around are people he obviously has made. And if you went around and put people on the E-Meter and you asked them, „Did you… did you make everybody that you’ve seen?“ and so on and so… Look at you sort of strangely and he gets the strangest feeling, „Yah, I… I did. I… hmm… No, I know I didn’t. But they don’t do what you tell them to do.“ And now you get this little ghost coming in, see?

Well, that’s the way MEST feels… if… if you really start penetrating and plopping around in it. It’s interesting stuff. Well anyway… of course you can make it feel any way you want to. But… uh… it does have a native feel.

Everybody in this universe is trying to act as though he made it. And he didn’t make this universe, he just kinda helped add to it. And he adds to it all the time by perceiving it. And he agrees to it all the time by perceiving it. And so he’s never crossed that bridge. He’s… he’s never suddenly said, „I had a universe once which I monitored completely and this universe, somehow or other got left, and I found myself in a universe which I WASN’T monitoring.“ And he’s never crossed that bridge.

All right, your Q, produces your universes along very definite lines, such as the MEST universe. Or it produces universes of completely ephemeral lines, or it doesn’t produce a universe at all. Self- determinism. But in order to produce a universe you first would have to be able to pretty will handle a universe. And a universe can be patterned to have eight dynamics. This one is. But you could have a universe with eighty-two dynamics, sixteen dynamics, and square root space. What’s square root space? I don’t know. I never made any square root space. I’ve made cube root space, and logarithmic space, but logarithmic space is a lot of fun. Let me tell you about logarithmic sp…

Well, you don’t have to tell him really, or convince him that he has to cross that bridge. All you have to do is take him and show him that he has a universe. It’s just as simple as that.

Gee, does a guy get fouled up traveling in logarithmic space. It’s wonderful. There’s twisted space too. You can make twisted space. You can make all these, anything you can draw a mathematical symbol for, you can make that kind of space. Furthermore, you can experience that kind of space, which is better than you can do with a mathematical formula. And it’s quite interesting to make some space and experience it and so forth.

You say, „All right. Now, mock up this, now mock up that, now let’s have a little bit of that. All right, now let’s take a cube of space.“

Yeah, well, anyway, getting back to Earth again. We have… we have, then, this as our highest level of attack. This is above the level of survival; it is above the level of beingness. It is way above the level of action. Oddly enough, it’s above the level of identity, as such. But it is way up at the top level of individuality. People have had the idea that when you got up there along top… of course, you know you have to kind of get up there a little bit and take a look to see if there’s anything much higher, and… uh… people have had the idea that this… this… ah… there was just a main body of theta and everybody became one when you got to the top of the tone scale. Fortunately, that isn’t true.

He says, „What?“

Yeah. But you go down tone scale and everybody becomes one and the oneness is MEST. And there’s no individuality whatsoever in MEST. This chair does not care who lifts it around. Doesn’t matter who lifts it around, could be a member of the Fifth Invader Force or you or me or anybody. It doesn’t matter. Somebody could jump in here from anyplace under the sun and move the chair around. It doesn’t say, „Excuse me,“ it doesn’t say, „I hurt.“ It is the true brotherhood of the MEST universe. It’s a brotherhood. It’s… it’s gone to a point, though, where it doesn’t even wear a badge.

„Well, just take some space in the room and saw out a little cube and…“

But it has an identity. This is a chair. And not only that, this is the chair that stands on this lecture platform and it is a black chair, and… I don’t even think it would know if we named it… if we named it… uh… Mahidable. But we could call this the chair named Mahidable. There it is.

„I can’t do that.“ It’s the darndest inability and he… he’s suddenly shocked. He finds out that he has a lot of inabilities.

I notice after I let it sit there that it… it just sits there. It didn’t get up. It didn’t, say, it didn’t adjust itself back to where it was before. It didn’t do anything at all. I could came over here and kick this chair a little bit. Did it say, „Ouch?“ Maybe it felt ouch. I don’t know… that but it didn’t say, „Ouch.“ It’s just an identity, with no individuality.

It’s quite shocking for a person the moment they find out in creative processing that they have some inability along the line of creative processing. ‘Cause they’ve just… have gone on grandly assuming that the MEST universe is that ability and it keeps on running. So obviously, they’re kind of doing it all the time and they just never added this up into the terms of „I have to go ahead and monitor my environment if I’m going to have any kind of a universe or if I’m going to do anything with a universe.“

Individuality depends upon being able to make identities. And what do you know about a little kid? He runs around. He’s Buck Rogers, he’s in… in the old days, he was Jesse James. In the days before that, he was Dick Turpin or somebody else. I imagine once upon a time they were… all little kids were running around being Richard the Lionhearted, then earlier than that they were all rushing around being Merlin or earlier than that, why, God knows. I imagine in Rome the little Kids ran up and down with… with, uh… without even wooden swords in their hands being Julius Caesar. But they’d be Julius Caesar this afternoon and Tiberius tomorrow and Caligula the next day. They didn’t care how many identities. But if you asked this little kid, „Are you an individual?“ Oh boy. He sure was.

So you give him mock-ups and you let them reassume the ability to create and control their own universe. When you do that they get right back in to what they were doing at the time when they got blown out of their orbit. And you redevelop this facility and they all of a sudden can see, „Well, there’s nothing wrong with my mind! There’s nothing wrong with my ability! I can handle this body! I can handle these things! Well, for heaven’s sakes! All this time I just thought I’d just lost my punch!“

The mostest individuality he ever has in Homo sapiens’s lifespan is when he’s a little kid. His concept of dignity when he is a small child is something that would completely ruin some of the elderly matrons who chuck it under the chin and say, „Itsy bitsy goochie woo.“ This kid looks at them, looks could kill.

Here are all those dogs that run down the street. I… I… they run down the street and they start barking and you… you… you say, „Don’t bark. And they go right on barking. So obviously I lost my… my touch. I mean I’m not controlling my own universe anymore.“ And they’ve never realized that it’s a different universe.

Now, here then… here then we’re talking about an ultimate individuality that is attainable. And when I say ultimate I don’t mean absolute. There’s probably a lot of individuality left as we go up from there, probably a LOT of it. There’s probably a lot of other things that can be done.

Now, that perhaps… perhaps would sound strange to you when you… when you first run into this fact but it happens to be… uh… a… a very interesting and very simple proof of it. Uh… Mock-up processing works. That’s the easiest proof I know.

I know of three frames positively outside this universe. There’s a universe outside this universe and there’s a universe outside that and its set of universes, and there’s a universe outside that universe. And I know the one beyond that. And it’s not necess… they’re not necessarily getting thinner or more unsubstantial but they don’t run according to the same laws. E equals MC squared won’t work in ‘em. That is not a native characteristic of energy. It just happens to be.

Yeah, you can start doing this stuff and… and if you do it according to the way you’re supposed to do it and so on and all of a sudden the fellow is better and better. And somatics turn off and everything goes along fine and he gets up the tone scale and gets better and a little better and his disabilities all of a sudden decrease. And he gets bigger and bigger and more ambitious and he’s saying at first, „To hell with this MEST universe. Don’t want anything to do with the thing again,“ and then he’ll say, „Well, hell, it’s just another universe. Uh… let’s see. What do you do with universes? Well, just saw a chunk off the left hand corner and reverse it just for the hell of it this afternoon.“ And… uh… it just… uh… there… it’s nothing to it.

Now this universe might be called… it could be that this MEST universe is the inevitable average of agreement, the inevitable average of illusion. If you… if you had a bunch of people and… and they kept mocking up illusions and mocking up illusions, and agreeing and agreeing, you might say that it would become the inevitable average of this agreement amongst illusions. Now I wouldn’t know that that holds good but it happens that it might happen over such a long… long phase of time. That’s horrible. Ah… it might happen over such a large mass as the MEST universe. The MEST universe is a large mass, not a long time.

But let’s enter this in another’s… from another little gateway. There are many ways. Is the MEST universe an illusion? Yeah, that’s an interesting question. Is it an illusion? A lot of people have dashed around saying, „It’s all illusion. There is no such thing as matter.“ All you had to do was think right thoughts and you think right thoughts, why, you don’t think left thoughts and… uh… uh… it’ll all… it’ll all wind up someplace else in the end and it belongs to somebody else. And, they’ve said this but there wasn’t any good remedy for it. And uh… they’ve said this a lot of times and… uh… never backed it up.

Now there being a large mass this might have come into being because of that. I don’t know that. But I do know… I do know that I have already seen enough of universes to know that they don’t run on the same laws. That’s very very astonishing. And I do know that every individual is perfectly capable of making one. Well, don’t say that it has to be just a little tiny one that you’d keep in a jewel box or anything of the sort. It could be probably pretty big.

Well, let’s… let’s back it up a little bit. Let’s take a look at this. Let’s find out first what’s an illusion. An illusion is something somebody made. Very technically, let’s make an illusion that which the preclear makes. Let’s just use that as a narrowed down word. And let’s call a delusion something somebody else made. Let’s just categorize that handily.

How many universes could you have in the available… universes? Of course the number is infinity. This MEST universe, being a postulated dimension which you agree upon, could very easily… if we’re speaking of dimension, you have a postulated dimension, all you’ve got to do is… is change its space coordinates just a little bit and it can sit right there. You… if you see… space can’t even be coincident. You get… the truth of the matter is you can’t even talk about one piece of space crossing another piece of space in view of the fact that space is a postulated agreement and if… if space is a postulated agreement, the only way you could get one piece of space sitting across another piece of space would be a very simple thing. You could have a fellow say, let’s see, „Up IS, front IS and width IS, but width is also up here 45 degrees and up is slightly down to the left and this is width.“ And he’s got those two sections of space simultaneously.

Now… a delusion could also be something the preclear has made that he has also said somebody else made. He… he made it and then he said somebody else made it. You can call that also a delusion. But… let’s not worry too much about that ‘cause that comes under the heading of automaticity so let’s just narrow this definition down to this: an illusion is something the preclear makes and a delusion is something somebody else makes. Now let’s… let’s go from there.

Now wouldn’t he be in horrible shape. He’s got two sections of space simultaneously and he’s trying all the time he’s got these two sections, these two pieces of dimension… You see, the only reason they’re scrambled is because he’s on a… on a maybe. And then maybe he has a space that he calls time and he keeps shoving this space he calls time around. ‘Course, if doesn’t go anyplace. But… and he’s all fouled up on the subject of time but he’s got another space that kind of introduces itself on him all the time.

We know that other person doesn’t have to know it’s an illusion or delusion or anything of the sort.

What do you know, that’s your preclear. He doesn’t know… he doesn’t know any difference really between MEST universe space and his own universe space. He’s never differentiated between the two. He’s still holding on to the one and trying to view the other. People who have directional reversals, people who do the darndest things with regard to space, it’s fascinating.

All right. Let’s take another test. Take a good test. Let’s take perception. One of the things your preclear is worried about above all other things and that you as an auditor will worry about above all other things is perception. We’ll have to cover this just dry ad nauseam: perception. But how do you make that wall get greener to you all of a sudden and so forth? Now… how… how do you… how do you step these perceptions up? Hmm.

You… you… some person will go out and he’ll look at the stars and he sees the heavens in three dimensions, just as nice as you please. Well, he’s got a pretty good idea of space. And the thing about it is, is he will tell you which is the furthest star, which is the further star. You’d check it up on your maps. It isn’t the brightness of the star that measures its distance because some of the very bright stars are quite far away and some of the dim stars are quite close. And he’ll say that, „Well, that star is quite a distance and then all those other stars are way behind that. I… I can see that from where I am.“ You can say he couldn’t possibly have that small a parallax and still be able to measure it. Couldn’t possibly. And yet you look it up on an astronomy chart what he’s just told you and you get the same dimensions.

Well, you know that you can process out an awful lot of engrams about seeing color with­out making that wall get one bit brighter. You can agree with this MEST universe and agree with it and agree with it and agree with it and agree with it and it doesn’t get any plainer. In fact you can agree with it and agree with it until it gets thinner and less distinct and you become less active and you become more and more lethargic and sort of like a stone or a piece of mud. You get more and more MEST the more you agree with it. The more you agree with it the more MEST you get to be.

Now… this… you get an approximation of what he was trying to tell you. Yeah, now that’s… those… that bright star IS further than those two dim stars. They see depth in space. Well, they’d… they’d have a pretty good concept of the dimensions of this universe if they were doing something like that.

Well, is that true? Yeah, let’s look around at preclears and let’s test them for terms of agreement with the MEST universe. By doing what? By taking a basic, simple, natural law and let’s put preclears on the tone scale, let’s spot them accurately on the tone scale, and we’ll find out that their degree of delusion and aberration and so on, we find out their ability or inability to control themselves and just… just measure this, pretty accurately. And then… then let’s get them to mock up something and make it disobey a natural law. Let’s make them mock up a billiard ball and fall and hit the ceiling.

The other fellow goes out and gee, some of those stars appear to be floating about a foot above his head. He just doesn’t have any distance to those stars at all and they’re all flat. And somebody else goes out and they’re all tipped some other way. He can see plainly that the heavens run off that way and he goes… as you get further to the south, why they’re just going up. Maybe you’d observe this closer if you’d just ask a few people how stars look to then. And if you ask them searchingly they will tell you that there is a difference in observation of space, which is the only point I’m making here. There’s differences.

No… no. They know about gravity. And this character will just sit there and he’ll take that billiard ball and he’ll try to make it lift. And if he gets it up a little bit, it’ll drop hack again suddenly, and he’ll have the awfullest time. But he has a bad time trying to make the billiard ball fall upwards in the exact degree that he’s aberrated.

What’s this got to do with auditing? Well, it has really everything to do with auditing. You will notice… give you a practical example of this. I’ve consistently with mock-ups told people to move it to the right, to move it to the left, to put it above their heads, behind their backs and under their feet. I’ve told them to put it a distance from them, bring it close to them. Told them to put it out in the street, up on the wall, here, there. What am I doing? I’m changing the position of an object… in space. And it is more important to change the position of the mock-up in space than it is to change its color or anything else. Location in space. And that starts up and becomes about the high… the high-level function in processing then because, why? The effort… the effort and thought of your preclear is to attain self-determinism and self-determinism could be said to be an effort to attain the goals of theta.

You could plot the gradient scale of trying to make a billiard ball leap off the floor and hit the ceiling and the amount of aberration in terms of engrams and secondaries, and so forth that he has, and behavior and ability to control, and reaction time, and register on the E-Meter. You just take this curve after curve after curve and we fit that one in with it, and we find out that this individual can’t mock things up and make them disobey what he calls natural law and which he does not differentiate as this: natural law of the physical universe. He is… in a state of complete obedience to the MEST universe.

And the goals of theta which we can observe - and it maybe has many more goals - is to locate energy and matter in space and time; and to locate, additionally - quite an addition - and create space that you can locate energy and matter in. So when we start in with processing, why, we be very sure that we’re relocating all the time. What’s the biggest trouble he has? That first little trouble you run into with a pc? He can’t move it around. This surprises him a great deal. He knows you need 10 ton trucks, winches, chains, everything else to move something.

Now, your hypnotized subject becomes in a state of complete obedience to the hypnotist. Let’s consider the MEST universe a hypnotist, and let’s consider this preclear a subject and find out that the subject is as deluded as the hypnotist wants him to be. And so we have… over here then a direct application of this. And we find out the degree of agreement with natural law is also the degree of aberration of the preclear. Fascinating, isn’t it?

Well, now we’ll have to take up time later on but time is a quite finite and very, very easily understandable thing so let’s not stress time right at here, at this point.

Now, this person’s alertness and other things like that will add up on that scale.

Let’s take that as a goal level of theta. This means then in processing to restore self-determinism you make your strongest effort, and actually your only effort, the attainment of the goals of theta, and the goals of theta are its capabilities. Capability is theta. Q one: Theta is… no wave length in it, no position in time and space, has no mass, has no duration, hasn’t any one of these things, but it has the potential or capability of locating in space and time, energy and matter and creating… creating space in which to create energy and matter. And that’s… it’s all there are to it.

Well, that’s… that’s very interesting because we have hypnotism which can be demonstrated as a phenomenon, and we show that the greater and greater agreement, all you do to hypnotize somebody is just make him agree… agree… agree and after that he’ll see anything. He’ll do anything, he’ll see anything. He agrees, agrees, agrees.

Now, that… that… that’s… that’s… how’d… how anyone get to any such a… any… any such a conclusion? Then you’ll… you’ll watch this work… you’ll watch this work with a deadliness that you will begin to wonder, for God’s sakes what have I got my hands on here, every now and then. Because actually it… you’re… you’re working all out.

All right. Now let’s consider then that aspect. And now let’s take the next test. Is the MEST universe an illusion? Next test, very neat little test. We find out that the ability to perceive an illusion determines the ability to perceive the MEST universe. How? By doing this: this person becomes more and more and more capable of producing and perceiving illusions and perceiving their character, depth, size, and their emotional tone. And as his ability increases in the production of illusion, his ability to perceive the MEST universe increases uniformly with it.

Now, someday I’ll find a higher Q or you will or somebody else will. They can do something out and beyond and broader than that. And when that is attained, why, we’ll have another big surge forward in capabilities.

What do you know. You have to be able to see an illusion before you are able to see MEST.

But this Q about which I am telling you now was a goal, I said that there were several echelons and that we were going through the second echelon of knowledge with effort processing. And we’re slightly into the fringes of a third echelon. Well, we just busted through the roof of the third echelon.

This is awfully convincing stuff. Oh boy, that’s really convincing. And when you do that, that is one of the nicest tricks you could ever do. You say, „Now, you want to know if this stuff is real? All you gotta do is stamp on it. and it’ll tell you whether or not that’s real. And that proves it’s real and that proves that Man came from mud.“

Now, what lies in the fourth echelon? I don’t know. But I know that visible and usable and for the first time really satisfactorily usable, on a broad level, is this Q-1 because with this, the second you start using this your preclear stops asking that inane question.

That proves anything you want to prove. But the funny part of it is… is you’ve got a MEST universe energy constructed foot hitting a MEST universe energy platform, and of course the two come together. They’ve agreed to go that way. And you perceive that they go that way.

Uh… this question is something. It becomes very hard to understand this question, that anybody would ask this question, but they say, „Why are we here? What is the reason for all this?“

How do you perceive? Oh, that… that… that’s that… that’s just horrible. How do you perceive? Gee, this… when you… when you find out finally how you perceive, you’re going to be ashamed of yourselves. You put this wall here, see. You… you do this just pockata pockata pockata pockata pockata pockata. You pu… keep putting this wall there, see? Put the wall there. and then you reach out and you feel the wall. And you say, It’s there. See, feel?“

You say, reason, that’s point zero, about, fi… point about fifteen zeros one five or something like that, wave length, capability, perception, reason… „What are you talking about?“

Now, you… you put a feeling called WALL out here. And then you reach out,, you… oh, pardon me. You put a feeling called WALL out here and then you put a dimension from you to WALL. And then you put a… a… a feeler out here and you touch the wall and you say, „Wall is there, and the reason the wall is there is I KNOW it is there because I see it.“

And he’ll say, „What is the reason? What do… What do I… What’s the reason? I mean, why are we here?“

Now that SEE is just the sight band of perception. The… the wave, photon wave length of perception which is a manufactured energy, that’s a very wonderful gimmick. A fellow can manufacture energy anyplace. He can even manufacture photons for the sun to throw out.

„Well, you mean,“ you say, „prior cause.“ „Oh, you mean there must be a prior cause in this universe?“

Now, let’s take a look at this wall again and we find out that we know it’s there because we can see it. Well, we have to have photons in order to see it. Well, that’s great. But you have to put a sight here in order to record the sight. Oh, I mean, when a fellow realizes he’s doing that all the time, he realizes he puts a sight over on the…

„No, no, no, why are we here?“

By the way, he sometimes in the processing and so on momentarily loses the ability to do so, you see. He’s… he’s kinda fumbling for this ability and he’s unwilling to let this MEST universe ability, which is a beautiful piece of automaticity if there ever was one - just gorgeous - and he’s unwilling to be too brash about this.

And you say, „What do you mean by ‘Why are we here’?“

But he… we’re… we’re practicing this, you know, with the preclear with mock-ups. We have him reach out, put a mock-up out here. „All right, now feel the cheerfulness coming from that mock-up.“ He does. „Now… now feel the intensity of light coming from that mock-up.“ He knows, he puts it over there and he gets it back again. He’s going through this and all of a sudden, he looks at the room. And he looks right through the wall… No!

„Well just that. Why are we here?“

So he quickly puts the wall there and gets it back again and he says, „Hhh,“ and then he says, „Wait a minute. I put the wall there and I’ll get it back again. Why don’t I put a wall two feet this way from it and get it back again?“ He does! It works. So he puts the wall back where it belongs and is perfectly comfortable about it thereafter. It’s all right. It’s there when he wants it there.

You say, „What do you mean by that?“ „Well I want the REASON why we’re here.“

Now whether or not a person can be running down the street in a car and see a big brick wall standing in front of him and he perceives that brick wall and… uh… he NEGLECTS to perceive the brick wall. See, neglecting to put it there, it would be merely occluding it. It’s there. You’ve agreed with a lot of other people and they work all the time putting it there. And you’re in this big agreement so you just take the lines from them actually.

„Well, look, look,“ you say, „Reason has to do with associative processes.“ Now if you could associate anything you would eventually find the association coming back to the same point you left. You could keep going around in this circle, or you could make a spiral out of it, anyway you want to. But when you say the REASON for something, you’re asking for a gradient scale of data. So if you’ve got a gradient scale of data, it takes the space and the time in which to have a gradient scale of data. And this can go round and round this way. Don’t ask about the gradient scale of data in a space and a time because it will wind up with itself always. It can never do otherwise.

And you run your car into the brick wall and the fenders get all dented and everything just goes to the devil and so on. And you say, „Now, if I just, let’s see. Is it possible for me to put… Let’s see, we’ll take that brick wall and we’ll move it a block down the street so we won’t hit it.“ And you do this in the last instant, just before the crash. We just pick this brick wall up and put it a block down the street.

Your reason applies to one universe at one time. You would apply reason. Now you have to… before you can have a reason you have to have a rationale. You have to have… have to have a cause.

Don’t do it. Don’t do it. For a good reason: if you really get your horsepower up it’ll go a block down the street and you’ll just bust the living daylights out of an awful lot of people’s what? Reality. In other words, you will break their agreements to smithereens. Don’t do it.

And when they say, „What is the reason I’m here?“ They’re talking about… Now look. There’s… you well know there is a cause prior to cause. Oh, the Greeks got around this. They did a beautiful job, did a beautiful job of this whole thing. They said, „Hell, now…“

Course you never try to do this, you, you never, never try to do this. This… this is… is not one of your penchants.

Well, I could probably tell you about a much better one than the Greeks. This Hindu, I’ve mentioned this occasionally in a lecture, the Hindus had an awful time. The priests were asked and asked and asked, „What’s the world like?“

Did you ever ask a preclear, „Did you ever run into anything with a car?“

They finally said… they finally said, „Well, the world is a… is a hemisphere,“ and… and people were satisfied with that.

The fellow says, „Yeah, yeah.“ All right, now, you say, „Now, let’s take that visio you have of that stopped up…“ He’ll say, „Yeah, well, do I have a visio of it.“ And now you say, „Well, what is the visio of it?“

And they finally said, „What’s the hemisphere sitting on?“

„It’s… It’s just an instant before the crash.“ He’s still got this picture of the brick wall, the tree, the other car and so on. It’s just an instant before the crash.

And they said, „Well, this hemisphere’s sitting on… humm…“ And they went and did a big study and they came hack and they said, „The hemisphere is sitting on seven pillars.“

How do you finish up that picture? You can fool around all you want to in processing it and running it back and forth. You don’t find this picture washes up very easily.

That held them for a while and then some wiseacre, some revolutionary went in and busted the whole thing up and he says, „What are the pillars sitting on?“

Give him a mock-up of the same tree and let him finally do with it what he was trying to do. And at the instant you succeed in that, he no longer has that picture. But I don’t know any other kind of processing that’ll wipe out that confounded picture. It just sits there and it sits there and it sits there. He stopped time evidently. Just an instant before the crash he tried to pick up the tree and so forth and put it a block down the road so he couldn’t hit it.

And… uh… well, the fellow said, the priest said, „Sitting on elephants, sitting on the backs of seven elephants.“

He didn’t stop time for a good reason. There isn’t any time to stop, which we’ll go into. But there was an object there and changing the place of this object in space was his intention. His inability to do it tells him that he hasn’t changed the object in space so he still sits there and he’s got a facsimile of it. And he still looks at it as not having been changed in space and he looks at it as a big failure.

Well… well that stalled off the… the mental, intellectual revolution probably for many centuries until some wiseacre finally says, „Hey, you know, I wonder what those elephants are standing on?“ And he came back and he says to the priests, „What are the elephants standing on?“

Just drill him. Have him, „Mock up… mock up a toothpick and put the toothpick there. Now let’s mock up a toothpick again and let’s put the toothpick two inches further. Now let’s mock up a toothpick again and let’s put this toothpick two feet away.“ He says, „It keeps slapping in and trying to hit me in his face.“

And the priests had it all ready and they were already figured this out, see, and they’re just waiting for this, and they… they had it all answered. And they said, „The elephants are standing on a mud turtle and it’s… and the mud turtle is sitting on mud and it’s mud from there on down.

You say, „That’s all right, that’s all right. Now, let’s get that toothpick there and let’s just hold it there two feet from you. You got it? Now turn it blue, now turn it red, now send it over to the right, and send it to the left and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and so…“ „Yeah,“ he says, „It stays there now.“

That… that finished off that one.

Now he’s got the toothpick there. „Good, good. Now move it an inch further away.“

The early Greek tried to get around it: he kept talking about the prime movers unmoved, prime mover unmoved. He had a very MESTy concept of all this. He said, „If you have a universe, then you’ve got somebody who made the universe.“ Well, who made the fellow that made the universe? Never occurred to him that it might be that the fellow who made the universe didn’t have to be made. That… that would be just as reasonable as the other, you see.

He says, „It kinda comes back toward me.“

But, when people are asking for the reason and prior cause, they’re asking for something earlier on the time track. And of course, a time track would always be a finite length so someplace this time track started. And if you’re going to explain to them the reason why, you’ve always got to have a prior cause. And it doesn’t matter how far back you go, you’re going to go around this way on prior causes and the only inevitable place you will wind up is just where you started. And you can take any rationale, you can take any subject and you can explain it circularly. You can always explain it circularly and even though you are apparently taking off a big chunk of knowledge and you are moving it forward for people to look at very nicely, you’ve got a circle. Only you just haven’t carried it all the way out here and all the way out here and brought it all the way around here and locked it up here again.

You say, „Well now, move it an inch further away and then move it a foot closer to you.“ „Mmmm. I don’t like to do that.“ You say, „Now come on, let’s… just move it a foot closer to you.“ „Mmmm. I don’t like to do that.“

So we could do for our purposes here, for this universe you have a circle and this circle is a very interesting circle of reason. And this applies only to this universe. And that starts out here.

You say, „Now come on, let’s… just move it a foot closer to you.“ „All right, but it just keeps right on coming.“

And let’s say that we’re going this way, and down this way you have inductive thinking. That goes that away. Now let’s look around the other way and let’s say we have deductive thinking.

„All right put two toothpicks up there and have them go through and appear on the other side of your head.“

Now you know what those are. One is… one is you get a file of data together. Deductive thinking is you get this big mass of data and you go out and you hire a lot of pack rats and… and you hire all kinds of people and you just have them haul in data. And they haul in data the way we were having heads hauled in there today. And they keep hauling in data and hauling in data and they keep mounding it up in big piles and there’s somebody sitting there coordinating the data, coordinating the data, coordinating the data. And trying to learn something from coordinating all this data. That is deductive thought.

And he says, „Well, all right.“

And they finally get enough of these data related, and so they’ve got the data related and they come to an inevitable conclusion through having observed all collected data. That’s one way of doing it.

„Now put two more toothpicks in front of you and put those through your head and put them on the outside.“ „Okay.“ „Put two more toothpicks and put them on… behind your head.“ „All right. Uh… two more toothpicks…“ „Oh, sure.“ „All right, now put those two toothpicks out there, you got them?“ „Okay, got them.“ „All right, now move them one inch further away.“ „All right, I’ve done that.“ „Well, now move them a foot further away.“ „Well, okay.“ „Now move them clear down the next block.“ „All right.“ „Now put a tree there.“ „Okay.“ „Now move it a block further down the street.“ „Okay.“ „Now put a car there.“

Here’s the other way of doing it. These are both extremes. This is the philosophic method. The philosophic method goes along this line. It says, „You know, I guess… so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so.“ And the fellow looks around to see if there’s any data to support this and finds there one or two, says, „Well, that’s all right.“ Otherwise no.

„Okay.“ „Move it a block further down the str…“ „Nah, it keeps running back up to the same place.“

Inductive reasoning comes a cropper very easily because most of your ancients… You take somebody like oh… uh… lu… let’s take… let’s take modern ones, let’s take… uh… the repeal of Ohm’s Law. Uh yeah… Hegel was a very interesting boy. Uh… you… you could… The… the Piazzi went out and discovered by the way an eighth planet and the same day practically that he announced the discovery of the eighth planet… ah… Hegel had written a book proving that because seven was a perfect number, there could only be seven planets. And so Piazzi’s discovery of the eighth planet was like to get lost in the intellectual world because they accepted Hegel. Seven was a perfect number, they thought in that bracket. I mean that’s uh-na-na-na, this is all, uh-hum. And… and you come along and you say to ‘em, „Hey, why don’t go out and take a look at least at this universe.“ And… and they wouldn’t have understood that. Science came into being on this other route: deductive.

„Well, take the car and throw it behind you. Put another car there, throw it behind you. T… put another car there, throw it behind you. Put another car there, throw it behind you. Put another…“

They got so fed up with the repeal of Ohm’s Law and the lack of cooperation here. Practically every one of Newton’s laws has been thrown into the ash can by so-called philosophers in the past. I mean, and people were more likely to accept it. They’d sit around and they’d say, „Well, now, let’s see… let’s see, on the banks of the Nile there are crocodiles. Ah yes, there are crocodiles on the banks of the Nile. That’s a lovely word, crocodile. Here are all these jars on the banks of the Nile. The crocodile is therefore. is inanimate.“

„Oh, I got it. I’m throwing them behind me. A big junk pile back there now.“

You say that’s completely nonsequitur. Well, so it is. But they’d take crocodile and they’d say a crocodile must have been named because of crocks, so that proves that a crocodile is inanimate and therefore crocodiles don’t move.

„All right, put a bo… Put a bomb in the middle of the junk pile and blow it up. Okay, got that? Now, put a car in front of you and move it a block down the street.“ „Okay, I can do that.“ „Where’s the picture of the accident?“ „What accident?“

An explorer comes back in and he says, „I was down on the banks of the Nile and there’s… there’s this little child down on the banks of the Nile and this great big crocodile jumped off the hank and was about to…“

You let him do what he was trying to do which was to pick up the tree, the car, the brick wall and he knows he can do this in his own universe. And that’s all he’s interested in rehabilitating, is his ability to do it in his own universe. The only reason he’s hanging on to MEST is because he has the disability of not being able to do it for himself.

„Wait minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. We know you’re lying because crocodiles can’t move.“

MEST is a secondary manifestation. You take this stuff money. A fellow has gotten the idea that he needs money to acquire. That’s very interesting. You take most of your preclears and you tell them to mock up a quarter and they won’t get a darn thing. It’ll be blurry, and it will be this way, and it’ll shift around.

„Well, why can’t they move?“

And you say, „All right now, let’s just take a slab of silver.“ They can do that. „Move that around. Take a slab of gold, slab of copper, move those things around, shove thee around. Play chess with them. Get them going in circles, move them this way, move them that way. Blow them all up.“

„Well, it’s out there in that latest philosophic test and so forth that crocodiles sit on the banks of the Nile motionlessly.“ And he proves it conclusively.

„No, I can’t do that.“

So inductive logic came into disgrace and science made a terrific leap forward by insisting that it be real and when they said real they meant does it compare with this universe. And they went out and they compared all their data to this universe and then they come a cropper too. They come to an extreme. They gather data, and gather data, and gather data and they take 50 million monkeys and set them down to 50 million typewriters or something of the sort and they… they think if you wrote for 50 million years you would eventually come out with all this stuff.

„Well, all right, stack those three over there and let’s take a whole bunch of them now. And let its just take six bars of silver and six bars of gold and six bars of copper. Got them? Put them over there. Okay now let’s take six more bars and six more bars and six more bars and put them over there. You got that?

No, I’m afraid that thinking takes about half of each. You… you… you get an inductive idea. You… you say, „You know that sort of looks like it’s so“ and you push that around a little bit and you find some data there. And you say, „You know, that oughta predict a whole lot of data.“ All right, it looks like data in this field, therefore let’s sort through all the data in this field and see if it comes back to that same conclusion. Does it? Okay, it does. That’s all we want to know.

Okay. Now, let’s have a big truck come up to the door and start unloading bars of gold into the front room. Got that? Got that? Put them all in boxes and put them up there. Okay, now have them back down the alley, a whole fleet of trucks, back down the alley and start unloading gold into the back yard. Now get it all stacked up there. Now put a bunch of guards out there.“

That’s plenty. So here you could say that we’re working from all data and over here one datum. You have a map of logic. You’re… you’re working over here from all data in this universe and you got yourself a whole… ah… circle, so it goes from one datum and it keeps on winding right straight back to this datum here.

„Well, I don’t need any guar… there’s too much gold around here already.“

Now, the useability of one of these circles is as good as it encompasses. And you’ve actually got to step out of this time circle, because that’s… that’s a time circle, in order to get anyplace and look at anything very broadly.

„Well okay, take… take one… take one tiny little pinpoint of gold now. You got it? Now blow it up.“ You can sort of see the fellow look around cautiously to make sure he’s got that back yard full and the front yard full and everything else.

You’ve., you’ve got to get off of this WHY. Why means, what is the cause of it. And you say, „What is the cause of it? Well, the cause of it is“ oh, you mean what made it? Hell, all right.“

„Well, we can dispense with this little piece.“

And this guy says, „Well, what made get made it? And then what made what… what made what made it?“ And you just back up and you get all the whole world, everything in the universe, all this pile of data, everything that’s in the universe, is right next door to one datum.

And it’ll go pow. He’ll say humpf. He’ll feel like… he’ll feel like just exactly possibly like Jim Fisk or whoever it was that used to walk down the front steps of the stock exchange when he’d had a good day and light his cigar with a hundred dollar bill. He feels just that… that… that way about it.

Now, if you get that one datum, and if that one datum would evaluate everything over here, you have an expanded circle about as big as one universe can take. And now supposing we’re embracing a lot of universes. They’re disrelated in times, they’re disrelated in location, characteristics, and everything else. How in the name of common sense would you relate them? Well, here you would get something that would look… look like this. There… there’s… there’s circles, there’s… there’s circles. And each one of those is one of these circles. See, that one and that one.

All right, you take that thimbleful of gold and you blow it up. You take a bar of gold and you blow it up. And you take 2 bars of gold and you blow it up. And all of a sudden, he’s starting to get kinda unwilling.

Well, you want to get these things adjusted around until they all coincide here. What’s there? Now, you have three or four, three or four disrelated piles of data with which to evaluate a datum. Now you say this one datum explains all of these, and here from this one datum you’ve got to be able to make all this data, and for each one of these circles of logic there’s got to be an all-data circle.

So you have another fleet of trucks come up and… and fill the other back yard on both sides and you make the whole room full of gold and the walls full of gold, and all the furniture full of gold, and you make, a… then stack the whole room full of silver. And he’ll say, „The hell with it,“ and he’ll blow the room up. And he’ll blow the back yard up. And he’ll blow the front yard up and so on. He’s all set.

And then you can evaluate this one by this one by this one by this one. Your minimum number of this is two. You have two. That’d be the minimum number. But it’s just like you can’t take a navigational position on which you can count even vaguely unless you have three lines. It takes a third line to check two lines, so let’s put this in terms of navigation and we’ll take three and we’ll have… there’s its wheel and its wheel and its wheel. What’s there? Is that still there? Yeah, that’s Q-l.

Sure, he’s got… he’s trying to… he’s getting back toward his own universe. That’s all he’s interested in.

Q-1 evaluates the data of any universe. You don’t have to have specialized data. And you see we fortunately have a large number of universes available. Have a very large number of universes available.

Now, when you get… when you get this process going, the next thing, you take paper money. And you’ll probably have a little less trouble with it. And you take some more paper money and some more paper money and you get stacks of it. And the first thing you know, every time you get the paper money down in front of the preclear, it’ll start flickering right out of the billcase and just come up faster.

Available to you right now, you have the MEST universe and your own universe. You also have somebody else’s universe available. Some… somebody’s universe as far as logic is concerned and so forth. So you’ve got three universes. You’ve got the data I’m giving you. That’s a universe. You’ve got the MEST universe. Not in that order of magnitude; what I’m giving you is far more important. Uh… and you’ve got your own universe. And of these three the most important one is your own, because you can be certain of it. Mostly because you can he a hundred percent in control of it. And if you just start working up to a hundred percent in control of this universe, these two other universes fall into line as a category.

You have him mock up his body out there and mock up a pile of paper money. And it’s just like a hurricane hits the stuff. It just goes swoosh. You’ll get him after a while so that he can stack up paper money all over the place. And the funny part of it is, he’ll have to do a little bit of orientation. He’ll look into his pocketbook and it looks like what it is: confetti. Worse than what it is… worse than what it is, it’ll look like something a little bit worse than he was mocking up. But it has a buying power and it has a lot of other things and he’ll rehabilitate his perception and his viewpoint on it.

And what’s standing there at the center of the three universes is that datum, the capability of theta.

Now that’s interesting to… to notice though, that you… you may have had an awful time with some preclear, just beating his head in just consistently and continually trying to orient him so he’s sensible and rational on the subject of money. He’s mad on the subject of money. The process which I just gave you knocks it out. That’s odd isn’t it?

That’s a theoretical capability, it’s not something on which you can chew. It’s not something on which you can feed the dog or advertise, or anything of this sort. It isn’t something which traditionally they say, „Sense, measure, or experience.’ That’s very great - sense, measure, or experience. It’s a good thing that experience is sitting there, because you can experience it. You can experience it with your own universe and as you go on up the line… as you go well on up the line, you start to experience it very broadly. You would experience it more and more broadly and all of a sudden you’d say, „Well, I don’t know what capability I eight be able to obtain but I certainly have this low level capability of being able, this kindergarten stuff, of… of being able to manufacture in any space… uh… energy, matter, objects… uh… and… uh… manufacture space in which to have energy and objects. I… I can do that, that’s very simple, nothing much to that. I wonder what’s above that level?“

Is the MEST universe an illusion? Well, the handling of illusions solves the confounded universe and solves the problems which are contained where-in it, whereas if you continue to treat it as a reality, the problems don’t solve. Ah, is it an illusion? Now, this is not necessarily conclusive proof, not necessarily at all. Uh… it could be a very interesting sort of a proof if you went around shattering people’s agreements, shattering their reality.

Well, as long as a fellow is sitting using energy in a MEST object in the MEST universe, where everything is very nicely interdependent, in such a degree that he has to talk in terms and can only talk in terms of action and symbols for objects, now to try and go up and explain a nothingness… You see? Because it isn’t a nothingness.

If you were to walk down the street 10 feet off the ground out here without walking on any pavement, but there you were walking along 10 feet off the ground and everybody could see you doing this, you’d have quite a crowd. Their reality would be very badly broken.

Theta is not a nothingness. It just happens to be an exterior thing to this universe so you couldn’t talk about it in this universe’s terms, that’s all. But as far as this universe’s terms are concerned, we can define it. And that is just a little bit of a triumph, to tell you the truth.

Well, the same way if you suddenly started extending your hand and there was… there was a ten dollar bill in your hand. You gave it to somebody. And… uh… you come down the street and you see a panhandler there and you just say, „Well, have a ten,“ and there’s nothing in your hand, and there’s a ten. And he takes the ten and it says Abraham Lincoln or George Washington or whoever it is that’s on a ten… Benjamin Franklin? No, that’s on hundreds.

How did this thing get located? Well, once upon a time, sitting down in Phoenix and I was monkeying around and I… I… I knew there was something there, I kept bumping into it.

So anyhow… uh… uh… if you could do that and that money went into circulation, that would be quite a test. That would be the test amongst tests, wouldn’t it? That would really be a test. Of course, you want to think of the consequences of this. If you suddenly started doing that and that money… you had to be good enough to produce it, and that money would have to have the proper treasury serial number on it and everything else and be acceptable to the US Government and all that.

You know the two-dimensional… story of the two-dimensional worms? There’s a two-dimensional plane and these two-dimensional worms go running around and living on this two-dimensional plane and having a perfectly wonderful time and they’re running around, and one day one of them runs into a pole. Crunch. And he says, „No pole there.“

You realize what the level of responsibility of that is? The level of responsibility of the issuance of money to have the money acceptable is to be the government of :hat country. And if you’re willing to take on this level of responsibility over here, you can do that one. But that’s the test. It would be the… the final test to many.

So I went off and sat down for a while and I said, „You know, there isn’t any pole there, couldn’t be any pole there, no.“ But of course, I’m a professional pole-looker-forer. I have a… uh… a mania. When I get bruised or something or other on some pole it’s a personal affront - it isn’t just a matter of calm orderly discovery - that a pole could be there without getting my permission for it. That’s the way most anybody feels, by the way. That a pole could be there without getting your permission - that’s an insult. There’s only one thing you can do about it and that’s go back over and look at the thing. And I passed right over the ground again. And there was no pole there.

Well, what do you know? It’s not a test at all. That’s not a test, it’s just… is the way they’ve been testing things in science. They’ve said, „All right, now so-and-so and so-and-so, now does it agree over here with the physical universe? No. No.

Well, I turned around and I came back and I ran square on into it and took a good look at it.

But what’s science studying? Science is studying the physical universe. So, they’re studying what tests in comparison with the physical universe. You get that as a differentiation? Therefore, the physical universe is the test of this which we’re investigating because we’re investigating the physical universe. Now, don’t… don’t get that snarled up with what we’re doing. We’ve got experience.

Now, here was the funny thing, here was the funny thing. I started to examine, I started to examine facsimiles and I found out that electronic flows were generated by facsimiles. Now, I was waving a few meters and cathode-ray-tubes around in the air and I was doing a very Einsteinesque, who has… only… the observer has the right to look at a meter and no other right. He can observe, he preferably would stand with a blank everything in front of him except a hole, and that hole would be on the needle of the meter. And the only thing he’s got a… any… any right… right to say or see or do anything else is just that meter, and the number of it that… that he reads. Now that’s the way you have to do this stuff. You have to limit it down with terrific severity.

We want experience and we’re testing experience. So if we’re testing experience, then let’s test it by experience. And let’s remember that experience, just open up your mind a little bit and remember that experience doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the physical universe. Experience doesn’t necessarily.

Well, I was a very good boy, I sat there, I read ohmmeters and cathode-ray tubes, and E-meters and so on and it was just becoming more and more obvious. So I… one day I said, „I wonder if… h… hey, that’s a funny thing, I wonder if… ah… you know you should be able to get a DC flow. Ah. All right, let’s get a DC flow. Hmm. What do you know.“ And I said, „Well you can take an old facsimile here, an old facsimile there and you can put these two things in proximity and if you put them in close enough proximities you can get a trickle of electricity going across the terminals, that’s nice, real nice and it measures on a cathode-ray tube, now isn’t that fascinating? Hah!“

You see, that would be an awful arbitrary to enter into it. Say that the only experience that anybody could have would have to do with the physical universe. Well, you know immediately that that isn’t true. Because you know that a man is as alive as he has dreams.

Well, that’s fine. That’s what facsimiles are for and that’s one of the reasons why we have experience. All right, now let’s go on a little bit further than that. Now, can you take this current and start reversing it? Zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, zing, yup, yup. And all of a sudden it starts to speed up and what do you know. It reads on an AC meter. And you say, „That’s wonderful! Look, man is basically an AC generator.“

Is the physical universe an illusion? You can test this one. If a man loses his last dream, you’ve got a corpse on your hand. Don’t kill a man with bullets because you don’t really kill him at all. We can test that and prove that on an E-Meter.

Well, now let’s just go just a little bit further than this and let’s look this over real good and let’s see if we can’t get a condenser action. Now if we can get a condenser action, we’re smack, Mac. And so I set it up to get a condenser action by holding and getting the preclear to hold one facsimile there and to hold another facsimile there and not let them discharge in any way or shape or form. Just hold them there, I don’t care if it requires two hours, I don’t care if it requires six hours, if it requires twelve hours, let’s hold those two in place and not let them vary even vaguely.

No, sir. Kill him by taking his dreams away one by one. Take his goals and dreams. What’s the commonest thing that you hear from people? „I lost my illusions. I haven’t any illusions any more…“ They know what’s wrong with them. They’ve lost their illusions. They’re telling you in just that many words. That… that was… that was them. They lost themselves when they lost their illusions. And a men is dead when the last of his dreams is dead and that’s about the long and short of it.

And of course, you do it for a very short time and those facsimiles go BOOM! It’s… it’s just inevitable. You could set those things up just as nice as you please.

You go down here on skid row. Look at the bums. You just take that line of bums and you’ll find out that they don’t have any dream anymore of having anything. There isn’t anything they can be or anything except a bum.

What you’re getting there, you’re getting… you’ve got one facsimile here and one facsimile here and you insist on them not going together and of course there’s a flow already established which is trying to drive then together, so you just insist on that staying there. And sometimes you have to hold it there for a couple of hours, but if you… you hold it there long enough, you will eventually get it going FLASH! right in your face. It’s a very fascinating experiment. Leave it to somebody else to make future experiments. It gives you a cold. It blows your nose up and explodes a ridge or two into your face.

When you go down to the prison we’ll find out that the criminal uniformly has lost his self-respect. And when we ask him what his self-respect is, and ask him rather closely, he says, „One day I found I couldn’t trust myself.“ „How did you find that out?“ „I struck op mother.“

Well, I already knew from running incidents on the track that facsimiles could explode. This was fairly simple. Now another datum wandered in. You could put a mock-up up there, you could put a… imagine an aesthetic scene of some sort and it would get dark. And you could put another aesthetic scene up and it’d get dark and you could put another aesthetic scene up and it would get…

If you put it on an E-Meter, you’ll find that just as answering up along that line.

You say, „Hey, wait a minute. You mean the guy’s discharging himself onto these aesthetic scenes.“ It’s just as nice as you please. Isn’t that fascinating?

Or, „I found out that I betrayed a comrade. I did something. And therefore I was no longer worth anything.“

Discharge, discharge, and… and he keeps wiping the scenes off and he puts another scene there and he wipes that off and he puts… Well, what do you know. Now wait a minute. If you took that scene? All right. Let’s… is that scene really an electronic scene, let’s find out if it really is.

He didn’t measure it in terms of how much MEST he had. The lousiest criminal down here didn’t measure it in the terms of how much MEST he had or was. He measured it in this degree: his… I have discovered that there was bad experience for which I was cause and I thereafter cannot BE anything because I won’t permit myself to be anything. And there’s your criminal.

Uh… we’re looking at a meter, you understand.

You want to start processing criminals any time, they’re very easy to process. All you have to do is rehabilitate a man’s belief in himself. It’s so simple. He’s lost it.

When we get an explosion, it isn’t what the preclear feels with his intuition. It… it knocks the E-Meter pins off, or it burns the coils out or it does something like that. I mean there’s noth… nothing mild or hard to read… uh… if there’s any meter left after one of these explosions

And what was that belief in self? It was the ability to garb self with an acceptable illusion, an illusion which other people would accept. In the MEST universe that always has to be added on and is an arbitrary limiter; that which other people can accept. That is not true in one’s own universe, it only has to be acceptable to himself. And that’s… HE KNOWS that, that’s a level of certainty. Does he accept it himself? Yes. Or no. There’s no question mark: is it accepted by somebody else?

One of the boys out in California, by the way knocked the hole, not only knocked a hole through the electrode of an E-Meter - that is, knocked the hole right straight through the tin of the can – but also through the hand of the preclear.

One of the big tricks in the MEST universe is, „Prove it or we don’t accept it,“ or, „We’ll agree to that if you’ll agree to this.“ Trades in terms of illusion. And so you get a new universe going.

Well, anyway, we took this thing, aesthetic facsimile, and took another mean ornery no-good facsimile, see, and took the two things and said, „Allright, now one, two, three BOOM!“

All right. The world around a child is a bright, bright world. A child comes in with the idea that he is free. He has a new start, he’s got a new chance. This time he will do something in the universe that is spectacular. He will make a go of it and so on. He’s got that new hope.

Sure enough, you move the aesthetic facsimile onto any old kind of a facsimile you’ve got from yesterday or something of the sort and you put the two things together with relative suddenness and you get an explosion and it registers on a meter. Good, good. Man creates energy, obvious.

And that child goes downhill and becomes impossible to the degree that he loses that hope. And the things are very bright to that child at first. He can in other words put a perception there and perceive it with great facility. The world is beautiful to him, he has a certain freedom, and so on.

Now let’s try and take and move a couple of other old facsimiles together, we can get energy there. But… „Now wait a minute,“ I said. „He, look… look he created that aesthetic facsimile. That wasn’t MEST universe experience. The old MEST universe had left the latchstring out on that one.“ And there it was right there.

And then they start working on him and they say, „Johnny, why do you overwork your imagination? You know very well that there’s no battleship out there in the back yard.“ He knows there’s no battleship out in the back yard. He’s never made a mistake on it in his life. But he wants to put a battleship out in the back yard, let him put a battleship out in the back yard, instead of making this…

There’s a… there’s a… there’s a factor that quite… wouldn’t quite figure. You’ve done a mock-up and here’s this mock-up and obviously it’s just your imagination. Now that obviously doesn’t have any energy in it, and if it did have any energy in it… it must have gotten it someplace else. But here’s an instantaneous mock-up appearing. You… you look up there, there’s no ridges, there’s nothing. You just make this mock-up. And you take that mock-up and you slap it into another facsimile and it goes pam! and zing! goes the meter on the machine.

Why… why does this MEST universe and people who really get MEST-ified… Uh… people that really get MEST-ified why, why are they so insistent that we not imagine anything? Why? Because if a fellow really started out along this line, they know, basically they know that the only way that they can be smashed to smithereens is to all of a sudden be presented with an illusion which they have to accept. And that’s a terrible danger.

Hey, hey, hey. Is it possible that man is actually creating electricity? If so, then what would take place?

Why Johnny’s liable to come in the house and… he’s… he’s dangerous. He keeps imagining he shoots tigers out there in the back yard. Now, what… what if he… went out there in the back yard and he thought up this tiger and he brought the tiger in the house? That’s actually a paramount thought.

So I started figuring… already knew a lot of wavelengths come down this way and that way and it would be from zero to an aesthetic band. Aesthetic band’s evidently along in that band someplace and then that comes right on down the line and gets into heavier and heavier material and links and forms and energy contents and masses and efforts, and what do you know. He can evidently create this. And what’s this stuff we’re looking at? This stuff we’re looking at is evidently some manifestation of thought.

Actually, you can… you investigate Momma and you’ll say, „Now what did he used to think up?“

It… thought makes something else, makes something else, makes something else and that finally winds up something else. Now you know if you’ve ever listened to Technique 88 tapes, that we’re right down the groove on the Technique 88 tapes saying that this universe is evidently a composition of thought energy of some wave or another which has become timeless. There’s quite a bit of talk in there about the timelessness of something.

„Oh, he used to think up these terrible things, these bad men and everything else and these… all… all this and he used to think this up.“

If you’ve ever tried to run an apathy somatic out of anybody, you’ll understand what I mean about timeless. MEST universe and apathy are very closely related. You start to get an apathy incident, the preclear feeling apathetic, you start running this out and boy that’s just slow freight. You just grind that thing out, and you grind it out and you might as well be rubbing his head against a rock. Then all of a sudden it one day occurred to me that, sure, timelessness. The timelessness of MEST was a sort of an apathy. All right, we were already on that track, so we could say there’s a gradient scale of thought that leads down to this.

„We’s… what’s… what objection is there to that?“

And it wasn’t this: thought is no good because it is just the same as electricity. I mean that would be a materialist standpoint.

„Oh, but they’re terrible people!“ She’s gone right off along the line. She knows exactly what might happen.

Uh… the… uh… a lot of people like Pasteur, or some field of phrenology… I don’t know what they call themselves, phrenologists? Uh… something around that order. Uh… philatelists. No, no it’s not… that’s’ not… that’s not right. I’ll… I’ll think of it in a minute.

If Johnny were really hot, he could think up Jesse James and Jesse James would come in there and there probably wouldn’t be any silver left in the house. And if the battleship Missouri got placed out in the back yard, by gosh! It’d be in the back yard. And it’s so hard to grow flowers on turrets.

Anyway, we got… we got all this whole field was saying, „Thought is something else and the energy of thought isn’t existing and it is something else than electric lights and that’s a kind of electricity…“ You’ll find out everywhere you see that written up. They’ll say… be very careful to say, „Well, it’s something else.“

So, is it an illusion? Well, here we’re on a communication level.

It never occurred to anybody… never occurred to anybody that thought was good enough and high enough and powerful enough to create something like that. That this would be the result of a heck of a lot of… of energy piled up which was actually a generated energy which would eventually get into masses, and which therefore could act and react and so forth as masses.

An illusion has been defined in the past as something that didn’t exist. Therefore, an illusion has no existence. All right, everybody kind of understands that word illusion to mean something that doesn’t exist, and when you say something has no existence, you mean something cannot be experienced. And I show you immediately that you can experience an illusion; that illusion exists. So existence can be an illusion, can’t it?

Well, we got this energy mass and when you get an energy mass next an energy mass you get all sorts of… Wait a minute… wait a minute… wait a minute… wait a minute. There’s something about that. Let me think, there’s something about that. Oh, I know what the name of those people are - psychologists.

Here it is. It can exist because it can be experienced, if we define illusion to mean something which can be experienced.

Well, anyhow, the… the… the… uh… it… it suddenly occurred - this is just the line of approach; I just mention it to you perhaps for clarification of what we’re doing - we have… astonishingly enough they left a hole in electricity.

You have to have something that can be experienced before somebody can agree upon it. There has to be an experience there. So when we talk about experience, we’re talking several cuts above the MEST universe. We’re talking way up the line from the MEST universe, we’re talking above the line of energy, space, because an idea does not have to exist in space. You know that. You don’t have to have space to have an idea.

So therefore if we knew this much more about electricity, we should be able to look over electricity and find out if there wasn’t something left out of electricity. And so I just started thinking over very hard and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and all of a sudden I was looking at the alternating current formula. And the alternating current formula won’t furnish alternating current if you evaluate it very sharply, because… because the… there’s one ingredient they don’t talk about. And… uh… there’s this ingredient. And you’ve got a terminal there, you see, you’ve got a terminal - they can be in the term of two magnets or coils or whatever you want - two terminal: positive and negative. And they… they sit there… they sit there and something revolves between the two things and then… then… that it goes this way and that way and you get alternating c… It won’t do it!

And when you make an illusion, that’s the first requisite is to have space. Well, space is an experience, so what one makes, one can experience. What is made can be experienced. So you can make anything and it would exist if it could be experienced.

If you just had that formula and you didn’t have an alternating current generator, and if you’d never seen one, something of this sort, it’s very doubtful if you could build one. Unless by intuition or something of this sort, it suddenly struck you that there was another part to the machine they never mention. And that’s the base.

Now, I’m not trying to just shuffle words around; I’m just trying to get a better communication level on this thing. It is not fair to say, „All right, yeah, I haven’t any better word than illusion.“ I could call it a whumjit and you’d probably… well you’d probably come to a better agreement on this.

I know, that’s too simple. That’s much too simple, but it happens to be horribly true. You’ve got to have a base.

When I say that wall is an illusion, I don’t say that wall cannot be experienced. That wall can be experienced, it obviously can be experienced. And when I say it doesn’t exist, I am only saying it does not necessarily, arbitrarily, have to exist independent to experience, that’s all. It’s independent.

Now somebody says, „Is that the logarithmic base you’re talking about? And… or is that… that… that the base… of conclusions? Or… uh… something of that sort?“ There’s even something more than that which I won’t bother to go into about, OAC.

Now, it’s a very funny thing about space and about things like that. People can make an agreement and that agreement just keeps on rolling. That doesn’t say you don’t have to feed that again. You don’t have to feed more agreement to it in order to perceive it some more. And if you really want to look something over, you want to go over and get it… what you say, close. In other words you want to look it over real good. What’s that mean? I want to experience it better.

But there has to be a plus-minus for the minus side and there has to be a minus-plus for the plus side in order to get an interchange between these two. But more important than that… that - the dickens with that - is the base. And we’re talking just about the base of a generator, or the base of a motor. We’re just talking about the platform on which it stands which is made out of iron or wood or steel or something of the sort and which supports and keeps apart the terminals. That’s all we’re talking about. Just that horrible little simple thing. That base is sitting there keeping those terminals apart.

So, if we just lay off any confusion about „Is this illusion?“ or „What do we mean by illusion?“ we merely mean by illusion the technical definition, that which one makes which can be experienced.

What’s keeping the terminals apart? That base of course. Oh no, it’s not! That base has to be… that base is bolted down to the table. And we have this base and we have a positive terminal and a negative terminal and there’s a wheel goes round and round and round. And the wheel, the generator spinner… when nothing could happen there at all if those things weren’t held rigidly apart, because it depends on their being held apart that they be permitted to have tension put on them.

And what do we mean by reality? We mean that which is made and which is commonly experienced by agreement. That which is made or one or many make and can be commonly experienced. That we will define as reality just for our purposes.

If you just took two terminals and just set them up according to the formula and so on, every time you tried to turn anything over or furnish any effort in the thing, why the two terminals would simply go bang! And there’d be no current. And you’d it’d… you’d separate them very carefully and you’d turn the thing over again and they’d just go together. Their magnetism in other words would keep pulling them together. And you wouldn’t get a current through that line at all. They’ve got to be held rigidly apart.

And what’s delusion? That which somebody else makes and tries to push off on us as an arbitrary necessary experience. Arbitrary, necessary experience.

Well, to need something to hold them rigidly apart, you’d have to have a base. And… and the base is bolted down to the top of a table. And the table is on the concrete floor of a… well… hey, wait a minute! Where are we going here? The concrete floor of a building and the building is on Earth and Earth is by centrifugal force and gravity riveted to the sun out here and the sun is in an equilibrium according to some other star… wait a minute… and those other stars are in equilibrium with accordance to a galaxy which is held in equilibrium, what do you know, by another galaxy which is by an island acr. Where are we going? Well, brother, we’s on the way to God.

So… uh… what we’re trying to do with processing and with this slight dissertation on illusion here, what we’re trying to do with processing is to give the preclear back a choice. We’re giving him back his power of choice on whether or not he has to experience THIS. And we’re giving him back that by one route only, and that’s rehabilitating his power to create and experience a universe.

And you extrapolate all this back again and you’ll find out, what do you know, that it’s absolutely essential to locate something in space and time in order to produce an electrical flow. And the highest order of action then that you could figure out, for an electrical flow would be something that located in a space some somethings which could discharge from one to the other and then, and only then, would you have an electrical flow.

If we can get him to create and experience a universe independently, the odd part of it is… is he has greater choice on his ability to experience this: it isn’t as bright as people tell him it has to be, it’s as bright as he wants to make it.

Okay, let’s take a break.

An awful lot of people have an awful lot of trouble with this stuff, you know. People go around, they say, „The light’s too bright, the dust is blowing too hard… uh… I’m too warm, it’s too cold, I’m uncomfortable, I’m too fat, I’m too thin, I’m this, I’m that, this, I…“ They’re complaining all the time about an arbitrary necessity to experience.

They’re saying, „I don’t like to experience that dust. I don’t like to have to experience, without any consultation with me, this, that, warmth, heat, cold. I… I… that’s… it’s… it’s just these darn arbitrary experiences uh… that… uh… I just don’t like it that’s all.

Now, how do you get up their level of selection? By letting them run away from them? No, because to run away from something is to agree even further not only that it exists, but that it exists and is dangerous.

So, you see, that’s an extension of agreement.

You know that you can frighten a person suddenly and they go into a hypnotic trance? And if you were to frighten a person suddenly and to say something real fast to them, you’d lay in a beautiful engram? You show them „this is dangerous“; they desert it quickly. You put right in that spot an experience; when they try to move back over and take over that spot they just move right back into that. And that thing commands them thereafter.

That is the TRICK on making an agreement. You could say… you can s… watch this in experience: people become that of which they are afraid. People create that which they fear.

It… it may be that this… here’s a big lumbering crane and it goes up and down the dock and loads ships. And one day it gets an operator who says, „That crane is dangerous. It’s liable to do this, it’s liable to do that, and you never know.“ And he tells somebody else that on the dock and, „This thing is dangerous. It’s liable to do this, it’s liable to do that, you just never know what that crane’s going to do.“ And somebody else comes along and he says, „You know, that crane, that’s just badly made and it’s… it’s dangerous, and it’s liable to do this…“ I don’t know.

And we get a new operator and this new operator’s told this as he comes onto the thing. And he gets ahold of these controls and he says, „I’m handling something that’s dangerous and it’s not liable to do what I want it to do and I can’t exert my will on it, really. And these controls might not control what they’re supposed to control,“ and so he drops a load of steel on a bunch of longshoremen’s heads. This follows.

He finally has manufactured something from which he can flee. He’s told that this exists that way and he will just break his neck to make it something which justifies his fear of it. He’s got to have it be something dangerous if he’s afraid of it. And the more dangerous it is the less cowardly he is, if he’s afraid of it. So he’ll magnify that. He just juggles, in other words function by magnifying and subtracting experience.

Now, let’s define experience. Experience is not necessarily space, energy and objects. It’s not necessarily space, energy, and objects. It just happens to appear that way from where we sit here in the MEST universe, because the MEST universe is made of an agreement on space, energy and objects. But at the second you think that that would be the end product… because an experience could pass as a postulate from a mind to a mind without the existence of space. So a postulate could be an experience, couldn’t it… but you think… you think of things… postulates, as something that start experience.“

Now the funny part of it is that a postulate is a gradient scale itself. It’s not an absolute thing. When you start to undo postulates and you use the action cycle of postulate processing, you’ll see what I mean. You will be flabbergasted at the amount of MEST there is wrapped up in postulates. And how thoroughly enmested a person normally is in making postulates. He isn’t making them free. He discovers for the first time that his decisional level is an enslaved thing to MEST when he starts to use an action cycle of postulates.

Now, you could get a postulate up here to where it existed as just pure experience that has nothing to do with action. So when we say experience again we’re having a little communication difficulty. And experience normally has to do with action, doesn’t it. Well, let’s just orient that just a tiny bit better and say experience is merely a test of existence. An experience is a test or perception of existence.

You know they say this fellow can’t work in this store very good because he hasn’t got any experience. Well, they mean he hasn’t learned data connected with this store. That’s what they mean. So the datum… datum isn’t really existing in time and space. It’s been that way about stores for an awful long time and it’ll be that way about stores for an awful lot more time. So you haven’t spotted when you said „his experience,“ you haven’t spotted really data that exists in time.

Now… ah… you don’t have to bat your head out with this. Let’s just… I’m doing this mainly for clarification, so that we don’t go adrift anyplace on the thing. Because what we’re doing is very simple.

A universe can be constructed of space, energy, and objects. Any universe can exist. It can be perceived; therefore, it can exist.

This is the old-as-cards stuff going round and round, only they’re on a slightly cruder level than we’re operating. Because, so help me, we’re operating with positive proof. We can prove this experience.

How do you prove an experience? By experiencing it, of course. So that’s where we are.

Now, you can then make a universe of space, energy, and objects.

You could also make a universe which consisted of five dimensional space, what we call… might call uh… projectivity and… uh… destructed. You could say, „After this… uh… object has been in existence for a certain space of time, it automatically vanishes… uh… therefore it has a delimiting factor and this… this five dimensional space assists this because anything which drifts into the warp areas of the five dimensional space becomes a „destructed.“ So only that energy which is in the free areas at the time, it’s in IS. Now, that IS, so therefore we’ve got a universe that is going „flick.“

You’ve got a new universe there for that day and then it would go click. You’d have a new universe there for that day. You see… you can’t fit five dimensional space together so there’s have to be holes. And as it shifted why this stuff would get into these holes, which of course, didn’t exist. So there couldn’t be any space there by definition, but there could be space there…

It… it doesn’t matter, I mean, this doesn’t sound… sounds… sounds silly but you can do anything you want to.

One of the nicest tricks there is to get a preclear to mock up a little piece of space here in front of him and then put a… put something in it. Put a doll or something here in the middle of it. All right, you got a doll in the middle of it. Now let’s take the two extremities of that piece of space and let’s give them a twist. Now let’s twist them the other way. What happens to the doll?

And the fellow says, „Well, the doll, humpf. The doll crinkles when I do that. Hummpf, that’s interesting, yeah.“

And you say, „All right, now collapse the space a little bit. Now bring it out again. Got that? Now give it another crinkle so you know it’s yours. Okay, now just to be sure that it’s your space, put a warp in it, right here in the middle of it. Put a black line… a black sheet, and there’s dimension inside the black sheet but the sheet has no dimension in relationship to your space.“

Fellow says, „All right.“

„Now the way you do this is you get this little doll walking along now and every time this little doll passes through this black space it does a time shift and appears on the other side as a bear.“

Fellow says, „All right.“

„Okay, now let’s turn the bear around and have the bear walk back and pass through that black space and walk out the other side a doll. You got that?“

„Yeah, that’s very interesting.“ Then he gets… „Wonder what’s in that black space?“

Well, of course there’s nothing in that black space, but… uh… he’s beginning the cycle of automaticity on his piece of space.

Now he can make that piece of space exist. And if he had inhabitants in his universe, this’d be the customary thing, is when you walk down the walk… you could walk down the walk in your bathrobe but when you hit the sidewalk you were dressed for the office. And that happened because of a warp that is across everybody’s sidewalk and he could sell them the warp. „Now would you like to buy some warp space?“ I would say, „Sure, love to have some warp space.“

„What kind of hat kind of warp space do you want though? Uh… what’s… to… what’s to happen? Is this the kind of warp space that you go in and come out of the other side of it fully dressed?“

„Well, we have that, but there’s an improved kind that doesn’t necessarily work the opposite direction. So that when you walk home from the office, you don’t necessarily get on the other side of it and appear in your bathrobe and walk up the steps. It doesn’t undress you, it’s just a dressing warp. And… uh… that’s much superior, but that costs a little more.“

All you’d have to do is just get everybody to agree that this was what’s happening and this would become very usual. Be routine, that’s all. You’d just have some warp space.

In the first space, there’s no space there unless the person postulates there’s space there. Space is a viewpoint of dimension but we’ll be covering that much more exhaustively.

But what’s this warp? Now he knows he’s got space and actually he does know he’s got space. He knows that he’s got space as much as one can know that he’s got space when he can see the thing crinkle and he puts a warp in it. And if he can expand or contract this space on dimensions it’s obviously his space. He’s expanding and contracting it, isn’t he? Well, that’s the definition of space: dimension. If he can change the dimension of space, he obviously… it belongs to him. That’s all there is to it.

If you can make this wall move four feet closer to you and move back again, you can own that space.

And it s a very odd thing, but a person’s mock-ups have a tendency to get much less perishable when they’re in his own space. He’ll notice this the first time with a considerable start. He’ll… he’ll really… he’ll discover this quite accidentally.

He’ll just be looking at his piece of space there and he’ll say suddenly - you’ve just made a piece of space and you just haven’t told him any more about it and he… „You know, it’s brighter.“

And you say, „Yeah, yeah, now let’s blow it up.“

He’s been blowing up things very successfully but this is different. But this is his. So you got… gotta make a lot of them and have him blow up one. Make him make a lot of them and then make him make a little little one, and then blow the little one up.

And… uh… the handling of one’s own space and one’s own dimension is actually a rougher problem because one is at first much more serious about it. Because one went down the tone scale of his own universe clear to the bottom before he entered the MEST universe and now he’s going down the MEST universe clear to the bottom. And he’s almost there.

The next universe out, I understand, is full of dragons and all named George. And… uh… they… uh… the place starts in with everybody being MEST, and… that’s an angel. And of course religion in this universe has nothing to do with MEST. They never pass a collection plate. Uh… they, never say, they never say, uh… „Preserve your MEST,“ „Bury your MEST,“ „We will pray for your MEST,“ or anything like that. And… uh… well anyway, this next new universe is pretty rough. And it’s pretty rough. So I’m going to say that if you can make the preclear go up tone scale on his own universe before he goes up tone scale on this universe, you’ve moved him back one universe already.

Now maybe there’s a universe ahead of that. If there’s a universe ahead of that, though, why, boy, the amount of freedom must be so great in it that I wouldn’t think it could policed. And if a universe couldn’t be policed, it isn’t worth having because you gotta have cops. Everybody knows that ‘cause no ethic level could possibly exist that would prohibit the cops. No, you always gotta have police.

So if you had a universe that was so free and so ethical that cops couldn’t exist in it, why, it’d naturally… wouldn’t be a universe you could own so you wouldn’t want very much to do with that.

I mean… uh… this is circular logic but I mean it’s good logical stuff for this level of the tone scale of this society.

Uh… now, what happens… what happens if you, by mock-ups, suddenly recover the ability to move this wall four feet it closer to you and feel it?