This is the third hour on uh… December the 9th afternoon lectures. Uh… let’s further examine Agree and Have and characteristics of flow.

This is the second hour, December the 9th, afternoon lecture.

I mean, when you examined the chart there on ARC, you found that volume per unit space determined the position on the tone scale. As you got down to the flows, dispersals and ridges, low on the tone scale towards 0, you had an awful lot of matter for a very small amount of space. And when you went up scale, you found out that you had little matter for lots of space.

Now, you may have found some of the data I was giving you perhaps, at this time, a little bit inapplicable, or you may have found it confusing, or you may have found it to your level of agreement, at this time, just a little bit outside of use. All I was trying to do was to impress upon you that:

Now that, of course, it’s uh… indicative there of considerable perversity, actually, as far as space and so forth is concerned. This is uh… also indicative of what aberration does and is. It’s too much per unit space. And you get no action in too much per unit space. You don’t even get much thinking in unit space as far as MEST universe beingness is concerned.

One, something is going on at all times with the preclear which is a push-pull of confusion; and that your best interest is not to fight the battle of this push-pull of confusion directly, because that is a snare and a delusion. And although it’s very convincing, you don’t get very far by addressing it.

So we start looking over the proposition, we find out that a person, then, should have quite a bit of space for his havingness. If he has a lot of space for his havingness, why, his time is fluid and he… he’s… he’s light, hi… his uh… aesthetics can more easily enter in because it’s very hard for an aesthetic wave to enter anything that’s very gross and heavy. An aesthetic wave doesn’t transmit easily over something that’s gross and heavy. That doesn’t say it can’t, but it just doesn’t.

Now, we had our highest – the high tide of the confederacy – with uh… Technique 88, on processing real facsimiles. W know more about that now, but processing locks, secondaries, engrams, flows, all of that sort of thing, done as itself, no. Not… you… you can get there by doing it that way but uh… you’re fighting a game which has got a win-lose in it. You’ll just move over into the area of creative processing and approximate these flows and things. Now, you have to know about flows and you have to know about energy behavior, you have to know about all these other things, and you know about all these other things, do creative processing. You’d approximate ‘em, do approximations. You have to know the beast in order to knock the beast flat.

Have you ever tried to draw a picture uh… for instance, and uh… you looked at the MEST universe reproduction you were making – you were going through the MEST universe you see – and the thing that comes out does not match what you should have built. This is the cry of all architects, painters, sculptors, and so on, is „Here… here is this horrible thing! Every time I try to think something up, it always falls short of“ they used to call it „the ideal.“ When they say „ideal,“ they might as well say „an idea.“

One of the things you have to know is you don’t… you… you don’t, by the way, after you’ve studied animals… Let’s… let’s say you’ve studied lions exhaustively. You know the habitats and uh… hobitats and happitats of a lion. You know all these things, and you don’t then go and be a lion. No, you would learn these things to either shoot him with a camera or to shoot him with a gun, or to make sure that uh… he didn’t uh… propagate quite as fast or that he propagated faster or that you could keep him this way and that. You wouldn’t be a lion.

Now the funny part about it is, is that theta can communicate in terms of ideas without this interruption of flows. You see, ARC becomes bad when you start getting into MEST universe type flows. And it becomes almost impossible to maintain. But as we go up the tone scale and things become lighter and lighter, a person can, of course, become much more ethical and at the same time, lots less serious.

Well, just look at this universe along that line. Uh… you study it, and then don’t go be a… a MEST universe. Uh… let’s look at it as though we were small game hunting; it’s actually a very small game. It looks big, but uh… any time you’ll pull the bottom drawer out and found no mystery in it, why, you can kind of dust your hands of the whole deal. It’s a wonderful piece of confusion. MEST is chaos; it’s chaos; it’s chaos with two vectors. It’s not complete chaos; it’s just chaos with two vectors. And one of ‘em is have and the other is have not.

It sounds funny that a person who is very serious is liable to fall short on his ethics. He is more likely to go into a moral code, something good and solid and heavy, you see, that’ll kill somebody unless he follows it – and that’s the idea.

Now, let’s look now, at flows, what we were going to talk about originally. Here is this big sprawling confusion, and the win-lose, and your preclear’s been rattled all over the time track and he’s still rattled. And your poor psycho, my God, he… he has… he has even lost present time to such a degree that he thinks he’s in some other time, and he’s very upset. But uh… he’s just upset because of these factors.

So as we get up tone scale, we find that individuals are airier and lighter and actually more aesthetic. So that the heavier wave lengths are favored down around 0.0, and the lighter wave lengths are favored up around 40.0 and down. You see, you sort of have a scheme thereby by which… by which at 40.0 you have theta operating, really, only with uh… very close aesthetic waves; and down around uh… 1.0 or something of the sort, why you have theta mainly concerned with the solidity of objects. And… and it’s uh… that is to say, you’re worried in that band, you’re then worried about effort. How much effort is it to do something?

Now, let’s look at flows. Let’s take the two terminals of an electric motor, and we’ll find these two electrodes are going alternately plus and minus, or in the case of a DC motor, you’re just getting a continuous one-directional flow.

The person who tries to do an aesthetic job on this universe will generally go down tone scale fairly fast because he’s trying to apply this light, airy little wave to things that are heavy masses. And it just doesn’t work out well.

All right. Here we have, though, a current flow which depends upon a plus terminal and a minus terminal, and they must be opposite. And if they are opposite and can be held apart, we get action, we get energy flowing. If they are the same, they slightly tend to repel each other. So therefore, it tells you that any cohesive piece of MEST that is staying together well, has in it minuses and pluses. It’s a great big ball of minus and plus stuff, all thrown together. Otherwise, it wouldn’t stay together.

You can mock up a stage and a play in your own mind which with a flash appears in great beauty. And uh… in the MEST universe it takes carpenters, and carpenters belong to unions; and uh… it takes lumber and that has to be sawed up, and that comes down, and there’s people that are worried about the… the mass of this – and uh… this and oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!

Now, you can take a… a magnet over here and uh… you… the plus poles of the magnet, if put in juxtaposition near each other, would uh… repel each other. But if you turn that magnet over and you get the plus over here and the minus over here, those two things come together. They attract each other. So, we’re going to get a piece of matter, then, which is sticking together well, such as tar: it contains a lot of pluses and a lot of minuses, and they are intermingled.

Now it takes a pretty airy hand, by the way, to handle a lot of MEST. You’d think it would take a very solid, serious hand. But that doesn’t handle MEST, not worth a nickel. It takes good airy treatment. If you can take a look out at a massive space and say, „Well, now let’s put something or other there.“

Now, pluses and minuses intermingle to the degree that you have cohesiveness. And cohesiveness is established by the uh… balances of the pluses and minuses, and this makes what’s called density. And of course, space must have collapsed between the terminals to bring a plus and minus together in a solid piece of matter. There couldn’t be any space between these terminals.

And uh… somebody comes around and they say, „Why do you want it there?“ „Well, I don’t know. It would just look good.“ And they say „Well, you’ve got to have a better reason than that.“

Let’s take two electric motor terminals and they’re sitting up here, one’s plus and one’s minus. If we take the space out from between the two of ‘em, they come together, spat! That’s right, they’ll come right straight together. Even the juice isn’t going through them, the residual current as such, but they’ll pull each other together. And there they’ll be without any space between them.

You’d say, „Nuts to you, fella!“ Uh… because there isn’t any better reason than that.

Now, let’s get this analogy. When your preclear is no longer able to maintain space, the plus-minus terminals come together on him and we find the preclear beginning to approximate matter. Everything is solid, the space around him feels sort of solid, he gets sort of solid. All of this proceeds from this principle of matter in the making. A preclear is in the best shape who can hold a negative facsimile and a positive facsimile beautifully and cleanly apart. He can hold ‘em apart with great ease.

You want something to work on an aesthetic band. Of course, theta favors an aesthetic band because that’s closest in to motionlessness; it’s closest in to the fine wave length which can append to theta itself. Theta can communicate through aesthetics much, much before it is capable of communicating through reason.

He starts to be unable to locate these facsimiles or establish them in space anymore; when this capability leaves him, he gets lost. And the penalty of getting lost about this, in terms of energy, is to have the plus-minus terminals and facsimiles in one’s field start collapsing. And the final end of this is to become a cohesion of matter, unable to locate anything in time and space. Got that?

And then people say „Well, I wonder what the reason was behind that painting.“

It’s loss of space, then, which makes matter. Loss of interval between the plus and minus particles. And as that interval decreases and decreases and decreases, the object is more and more solid.

Well, let’s just put the cart before the horse, and let’s put a couple more carts in front of the horse because that’s just nonsense. The reason behind the painting is the painting. That’s all. A person has to start on up tone scale to get the full appreciation out of this.

Now, it tells you that there would be types of matter which would be made up mainly of pluses. It could have a predominance of plus, or a predominance of minus. And what happens to this matter? It doesn’t stay together; it’s very pervasive. Hydrogen is one of them. You let some hydrogen loose in a room, uh… the stuff is not cohesive, it’s quite expansive; and it’s trying to flow around all over the place. You let some hydrogen loose in space and it will swell up that space.

Well, let’s look a little bit more at Have and Have Not, and Agree and Disagree, and Want and Not Want, and we find out that there is such a thing as a tractor beam. And there’s such a thing as pressor beams. So you can reverse this situation with selective use of tractors and pressors. You can have something move in your direction with a tractor beam, and when it starts to agree, it’ll get an outflow. You’re pulling agreement out of something. You get that.

Now, uh… that’s fascinating. It’s a matter of pressures involved here in space, and that sort of thing. But uh… it’s not in nice balance, but it is in nice enough balance to be matter.

Every once in a while you’ll find somebody that has a reversal on Agree and Disagree. What they’re doing is operating on somebody else’s tractor. They’re… they’re… they’re not… they’re not doing too well in a lot of ways and a lot of things.

All right. Let’s take, then, this principle of the plus and the minus particle collapsing, and we find out that your preclear becomes solid to the direct ratio that he is unable to maintain the distance amongst his facsimiles, memories and MEST objects. When he’s unable to do this, he begins to become matter. And he begins to become matter and act like matter, that is just to the ratio that he goes down the tone scale.

They’re… you say, „All right, now get the flow of Agree,“ and this person will get the flow – yeah, they’ll get an outflow! Tohoohoo. What’s this mean? It means the space immediately in front of them isn’t even vaguely theirs; and it means that they are flowing at something else’s command and behest; and that this something else’s agreement has become almost a coincidence of space with this person. This person will then be found to be more or less in valence with somebody else, so that their agreements cause an in-pull. That would be by a tractor wave.

So, we want to see somebody go down the tone scale, just start taking space away from their terminals. Just take the space out, just take the space out, and keep taking the space out; and the next thing you know, this guy’s getting solider and solider and solider. And he starts to obey the laws of matter itself.

You very often find a person’s parents, for instance, have fixed tractor waves on them. This is tractor waves of desire – very interesting. They’ve got tractor waves on him. The parents pull.

Now, you could say that matter could be complexly composed in this fashion: matter which is composed of a lot of pluses is trying not to be itself; matter composed of a lot of minuses is still trying not to be itself. It doesn’t have a cohesion, it has an ex… uh… an expansive tendency or disassociative tendency. So that isn’t a stable commodity. And matter which is composed of pluses and minuses with great balance and evenness and the space is missing in between those terminals becomes very, very solid. And if you try to bring too much plus-minus terminal together and take too much space out from between the two, the thing will go kaboom! As in the case of plutonium.

Now there’s reverse tractors too. There isn’t any reason to get too wound up about this because this is very simple. People go around with „wanting to be wanted“ tractors. How do you work that out? Well, here we have „I“ and „I“ has this tractor wave which is not a compulsion, but he’s doing a „Schluurph.“ „You will agree.“ Now unfortunately that, of course, gets on anybody but the quite aberrated, that gets this flow uh… pardon me, on any but the quite aberrated this would be uh… agree. So what we get is this flow with that tractor.

Now, this is all very elementary and it isn’t anything that you should puzzle yourself about, and I would actually recommend that you get a couple of magnets and uh… just uh… have one… have their ends marked very plainly – bar magnets rather than a horseshoe magnet – and just mark the ends of those magnets very very plainly; the plus ends plainly and the minus ends plainly. And you’ll see that if you have the plus opposite the minus, that is to say as the magnets are lined up, that they, of course, will snap together. And so you can have too much cohesiveness.

So we get this „You will agree“ tractor is resulting in that. See how that is? He pulls in „You will agree“ and he gets disagreement. See how that is? He wants to be agreed with and he gets disagreed with: that’s the trick.

Now, let’s put those apart two feet, one from the other, and as they… do you leave ‘em alone, nothing happens. But let’s remove a little space between ‘em, and have ‘em one foot apart, and you notice that they… one… one’ll get sort of edgy, just sort of skiddy.

Now, he’ll get around to a point, then, where he’ll reverse this vector and he’ll put a tractor wave with the open end thataway. And it says „agree“ – „You will agree“. And what he does is want this person over here to pull in. He wants this person over here to grab on to that tractor and agree.

Now, let’s take another six inches of space from between ‘em and they’ll do what? They’ll go clank!

Do you see here, Figure 2? People go around with these doggone fool reverse-end tractors that they fasten on people. They put the open end of the tractor on people to get these people to want them, to desire them. And this actually is the way sensation works.

Now, what is known as a – quote „psychotic break“ unquote – is this clank. Some person disorients a human being one time too many; and it’s just that, just disorientation. Tells him he’s here when he’s there, and fouls him up one way or the other, and pulls the space out. Or tells him he can’t stay there anymore, or tells him that he can’t have that space, or tells him that he can’t have that matter, which also contains space. He loses something, in other words; but what he loses, most importantly, is space.

If you’re around a pretty girl, or something like that, very long, boy she’s got one of these tractors here which is just doing a beautiful job. Figure 2: She says „Want me. Want me. Want me.“

And so he loses this space and one day he feels, with several facsimiles, a clank. That’s good, he feels this clank, see, and he doesn’t feel good at all.

The odd part of it is, the second anybody picks up that tractor, what do they start? They start, in Figure 3, they start of course, this flow, which again is „Don’t have me“.

Now, what do you do… what do you do to get this guy in good repair? Well, you just give him some space. That’s simple. Just give him some space. Of course, the… the… the regular treatment is to put him in a cell or something, you know; take his space away from him. Just give him some space, make sure he’s got space, lots of space. And he’ll… he’ll… he’ll snap out of things most remarkably. I tell you, that most of the mad hatters that… that go out in the deserts as hermits and uh… and so on, they get remarkably sane and calm when they’re put down in a desert fastness, because they’ve got a lot of space! That’s quite important to ‘em. They’ve got… it… it just goes out in all directions, and they’re very happy about this.

So this is… this up here is „Want me“ and this is „Reject, me“. The second that thing is pulled on. So you get the tease variety. This is because… and what happens is it’s an automatic recurrence. I mean, it’s just an automatic action. The second this person – although they have this tractor up there with an open end, ready for anybody to use – the second anybody starts to hook energy in their direction or pull in their direction they feel an outflow and the outflow immediately causes them to feel „Don’t have me.“ And so you get the extreme caprice on such a thing.

Did you ever get out on a plain and suddenly take a deep sigh of relief, to be outside in the country where you get this tremendous expanse in all directions, so forth. You all of a sudden feel the pressure off of you. In other words, your concept of how much space you have to move around in is increased, so therefore you automatically, more or less without thinking about it, increase the space amongst your own facsimiles. Now, as you walk through crowds, go on to subways, rush up Time Square, rush down here, down Broad Street, and get on to streetcars, in and out of taxicabs, dadump, babump, bangs, crash, zing, uh… and so on, you keep getting the idea that you don’t have very much space. Well, this speeds you up; it feeds you more juice.

Now this works this way in… in… in uh… where you get a… one of these tractors. It, of course, works over here with uh – this person is doing an in-pull, and so on.

I’ve seen guys stand on the corner and just shake. Uh… it gives ‘em lots of juice. And that’s why these cities appear to be fast, but you’ll find the truth of the matter is, there isn’t a heck of a lot accomplished in them. ‘ The reason why is their level of reason is lower.

You could actually have a situation where „you“ here, has one of these open-ended tractors and where „I“ here has uh… an open-ended tractor. And what do you get? You get coincidence of being: they both want to be wanted. They both want to be wanted, and there can be a momentary stability of wantingness. And this line up here contracts from point A to point B and then contracts to what? AB – to a point.

A country is sane as long as it has, unfortunately, a farming belt. It’s got a big farming belt to draw people from for the cities. When these kids are in there for a few years and they get in there and pitch in the advertising agencies and in the newspaper offices and so forth, and they feed new blood to the city. And then they’re used up and ashcanned, and you can get a new set of kids.

And then you have two people living the same life, or a thetan in a head. Now one of the things that happens is that when this line starts collapsing, you get a coincidence of being. You just get a momentary stability or instability, and some very successful combinations are when both parties want to be wanted, and they find out that each one wants to be wanted, and they get a coincidence of being. And each one stays fairly stable on this as long as they continue to be assured that the other one wants them.

It isn’t that there’s anything good about a farming belt – imagine farming – but uh… there’s uh… more space in it. You’ll get people will talk slower or faster, as the case may be. They’re regulated.

But don’t let them find out the other one doesn’t want them! Because neither one of these waves, here in Figure 4, contains „I want you.“ They don’t have an „I want you“ there in Figure 4. There’s „I want you to want me.“

God help you, you’re… most people in cities here have a sort of an hypnotic look, as you go down the street; they’re really knocked in. Well, that isn’t the case on a wider front.

So we get this horrible situation, really grim situation, of two people – they go along for years, each one of them perfectly sure that the other one wants them, instead of wants to be wanted – and then one day… one day there’s a little cuff or something of the sort and all of a sudden „you“ over here or „I“ uh… has got this floppy tractor wave that is temporarily disconnected or something of this sort and quite inadvertently somebody else says to them „I want you“ – schluurp! That’s all… all anybody has to say on that.

All right. Now, let’s look at that plus-minus factor and just base a process on it. Now, be… be… be sure you get this; don’t pass this by and remember that I said that people were skiddeded from one body to another body. That’s not important, knowing that one, but it is important knowing this one:

Or this person, „you“ or „I“ in this case, happens to say, „Want me. Want me. Want me,“ about one time too often, „Want me“ – and uh… then at the same time says „Well now so and so and so and so is wrong with you. And so and so and so and so ought to be.“ Because you still get something on the order of an outflow. You get disagreement with each other although you get a coincidence of beingness. They both start occupying the same space.

That this factor of reduced space results in aberrated behavior, and it is a curve of space reduction that first produces reason: at about 22 down to about 10 or 12, you’re getting reason; that is to say, a fellow thinks consecutively on problems. And it then declines from there… Reason, by the way, is not an aesthetic or otherwise, but it’s just mental action, let’s say, on any wave length. Uh… and it declines from that 12 or up there, it gradually goes on down to 4 and then it spis in quick.

So this person… they become somewhat disagreeable to each other, and one of them may wake up one day to realize that he really isn’t wanted at all, at which moment this will break up an interpersonal relationship – whether it’s a marriage or whatever it is.

From 4 down gives us another example of Man’s intolerance… for well, he’s… he’s just living in this little, tiny, narrow band and he can only survive in this little band. Well, he can only survive in a small band on the tone scale, too. It’s a wonder that he’s here at all.

Well those are tractors – all up and down the line here.

Now, we take… take from 4.0, he’s really on his way. Why? By golly, in that band, he is depending upon otherwise originated flows. He’s depending upon flows which originate elsewhere. He cannot support a body without feeding it.

Now how does this work in the animal kingdom? How does this work in the animal kingdom, where it comes to dog eat dog and so forth? All right, we have this little animal gallumping along and a big animal comes along and goes „Snoffle.“ Well, the big animal says „I want“ and the small animal hauls back furiously to keep from being had, and of course by that fallback says „I agree“ and gets et. You see what happens? He’s trying to haul back as in Figure 2 there, you see, and he actually finishes off and energizes the big animal’s tractor.

Do you know that if I were to tell this to an audience in some other part of the universe that I would have mouths open in the audience? That a being could actually exist at a low point on the tone scale so low, that in order to have any kind of a body, he would have to feed it from sources other than himself. They would just sit there and just gawk, and they wouldn’t believe it. That would be the… the horrible point.

The big animal had an open-ended tractor there as in Figure 1, IX – „You will agree“ it says; „You will agree.“ Well, this is a pull; the small animal starts to disagree and then he energizes this big tractor here, and in he goes – kaboom!

You have automobiles out here which don’t run unless you put gasoline in their tanks. In other words, this society is built on MEST-universe-pour- into. There isn’t much of this pour-the-MEST-out; it’s all the MEST-universe- pour-in.

And he gets the weirdest sensation. You ought to run this on a preclear, or run it on yourself some day; „the… the joy of being eaten.“ It is the weirdest, most perverted, amuse – uh… uh… uh it… it… it’s a… it is an emotion which is indescribable until you’ve really experienced it. „Oh, I’m being eaten. I’m serving my purpose, after all, in the MEST universe.“ More doggone rationalization, you see. And it just comes out of this weirdly here.

Well, now, what do you do for homo sapiens, then? We find he’s getting less and less space between those terminals, less and less space, less and less space, and it’s pretty easy to upset him. Something can come along all of a sudden and jerk a little more space out between the plus-minus terminals and those terminals do a creak, and some of his facsimiles collapse. A little bit of loss – you wouldn’t think very often the loss was at all important – will cause him to really take an awful dive on the tone scale.

So you wonder why yo… you wonder why animals insist on eating dead meat all the time. And they go around and they eat meat. Of course, they want the live animal and they get the dead one, and they get accustomed to eating carrion. And do you know that all across Earth here, nothing is eaten but carrion. There’s nothing but dead meat eaten, as far as meat is concerned.

Now, here’s the other strange phenomenon. People become saner by jerks; they become saner by little jumps. They don’t become sane by a smooth traveling-upward climb. It’s jump, jump, jump, jump. And you can process somebody for just hours and hours and hours and hours, and you say, „I’m getting nowhere. I’m just getting nowhere with this case.“ And then all of a sudden, the guy will go home and he’ll come back to see you the next morning and he’s very happy. And you say, „What happened?“ Well, if you don’t ask him what happened, you won’t find out, because he… he… although he might tell you (he’d be that interested), he’d say, „You know, I was sitting at the supper table, and all of a sudden, I just kind of felt the lights turn up brighter.“

Now the alligator has become very slow and very cautious about his havingness, so he buries it for a long time and lets it rot before he eats it. He wants to be sure it’s not going to go the other way on him.

Then you say, „Well, what… what’d you think of?“ Or anything like that. Don’t bother to ask him; it doesn’t matter a damn what he thought of. What actually happened was, is his positive-negative terminal space on some of the facsimiles that’re bothering him suddenly widened. And that little little jump like that was the actual jump which he felt. It’s a sudden jump. He will all of a sudden find himself looking at a work of art.

Now that interchange, then, your animals run around and the animals that are running around saying „Want me. Want me. Have me. Have me. Have me“ and all that sort of thing, so you say „All right. I’ll have you.“ Crunch! They can actually, at that last instant, pull so hard back that they get the feeling like they’re agreeing like mad with being eaten. That’s very low tone scale – very, very low tone scale.

And by the way, art is wonderful. It will fish people out of the slough of despond faster than anything I know, if they’re permitted to choose their own art. You can’t go around and play Wagner and say, „Well, nobody’s sane in the institution today; I mean, let’s uh… so let’s play uh… let’s play some Prokofiev. Uh… oh, they’ve all gone nuts. Well, that doesn’t work.“ Well, I was talking about art.

That thing which desires to be eaten, then, is actually enMEST, because the fear and endocrine injections into the body of something that is trying to resist that hard under that kind of a delusion is pure poison. What you get’s enMEST, any way you look at it.

Although as one fellow I knew oh… oh, he’d just be feeling horrible, and he always went home and did the same thing: he put on a record of Caruso. And it was an old, beaten up, knocked apart record of Caruso, and every once in a while he’d get terribly drunk and he’d hock it. And then he’d practically go mad till he got this record back again. He’d do anything to get that record back. And he… he played it on a wind-up phonograph, and his life was a contest between trying to endure it and getting filled up again with Caruso. And he’d put Caruso on the platter uh… he’d put on the record and listen to Caruso. It wasn’t any particularly good Caruso; it was old, scratchy, made at the end of Caruso’s career, as Pagliacci, I think, something like that, or whatever Caruso sings.

Now I hope you’ve seen that there is, actually, a happy solution to this. I hope you understand now that it isn’t all dark, that it’s a happy solution to it, that there actually are conditions there of uh… happy agreement whereby… whereby two animals uh… eating each other up uh… one agrees with the other – at least we have that.

Now, he’d listen to that thing and oh… up he’d come. What would it do? This big, ex… you know, Caruso really could fill a lot of space. It’s too doggoned bad we didn’t have in his day real sound recording, because his loss was actually a great loss. You know, there isn’t anybody fills up space with sound the way Caruso did. Too, in the early days of Paul Robeson. Paul Robeson singing bass could knock out the back rafters. He could just start hitting one of those low notes and pour in the volume, and all of a sudden he keeps pouring the volume in, and you say, „Lookee here, this roof is coming in any minute.“ He’s to a large degree lost that today. He’s singing baritone, and so on. I guess he bought too many pamphlets or something.

Now one of the reasons why you have to have a group before you can have interpersonal relations is here very self-evident. A group gets together and it has, or it wants, and it’ll do so simultaneously. And it’ll operate as a unit organism, practically, a group will. And it’ll be a very high-level agreement and there will be very good ARC and they’ll just get along just fine. Why? Because they don’t want each other.

But uh… uh… when… when it comes to these jumps, you see, they can almost come from any source. Now, I… I could tell you some very touching and remarkable stories concerning the effect of aesthetics on individuals. It doesn’t take much to throw them; it really doesn’t take much to put them back together again. And if you know that you’ve got a little principle working there, which is just more space, what made his space constrict on him? I mean, why… why did he begin to feel he had it?

But therefore a group could only exist as long as there was no difference in castes in the group. You couldn’t have a lot of artificial castes in a group, like ranks and uh… there’s one thing you can say about the military services: some people are ranker than others.

Now, what does he need at this moment to feel he’ll have more space? You establish that and he’ll do one of these little jumps. Now, maybe he did something to somebody and he still has that facsimile sitting there, and so on, and it constricts him because he’s backed up and he isn’t occupying all of his own body. And that is an awfully important one. You’ll find out the guy who can’t get out of his head isn’t in his body. He doesn’t think he is. He’s already backed out of his body. He owned it once, but he’s backed out of it. He’ll tell you almost anything to try to convince you that he never was in it, or something of the sort. But the fact of the matter is, he isn’t in it, to any great degree at all. He’s dispersed.

Now here… here you… you – the second you get a disparity and you get this introduction of rank, of course the group falls to pieces and its effectiveness goes to hell, because the admiral’s throat is being cut by the rear-admiral, and the rear-admiral’s rear is being cut by the captains, and so on, and they’re all jockeying around on an „I’ve got to have“ and „I’ve got to have“ is „You can’t have.“ And things get pretty enMESTy.

He’ll be as far back as his ears. He’ll… he’ll just bare… barely be in the back of it, you know, just nyah, and very diffused. The whole front of the body, somebody else, something else owns, and he can’t move into it. Now, the way out is through. He has to own every single scrap of that body and be willing to use every single piece of that body before he can cleanly step out of it.

One of the favorite tricks for the MEST universe can be seen in a military service whereby they give somebody a tank and they say, „This is your tank.“

But this is a question of space. He isn’t occupying the space of the body. He’s backed up in space too much. This means, then, that his facsimiles will be hard packed on to him. He’ll be thick. He’ll be thicker than he should be, in terms of electronics and ridges around. What about these guys and these ridges? They just haven’t got enough space amongst the ridges. How can you put it in there? Well, you can put it in there in 40,000 different ways, in creative processing. I mean, this is… it’s so easy.

The fellow, „But I don’t want a tank.“

But just remember that, that the trouble with him is energy and the trouble with the energy is it’s lost the space between its terminals, and the remedy is to give him space. And the second he starts to get wider and wider things of space, and handle things in space, the better and better he’ll feel and the more and more expansive he feels and the freer he is to act.

Well, he’s all right as long as he’s saying „I don’t want a tank“ but uh… let him say, let him say „Oh gee! They’re going to take my tank away from me!“ and yank! she’ll lose it right now.

All right. When he gets down to a certain level on the tone scale, he begins to be troubled by flows. He begins to get so solid as matter that he begins to be troubled by flows. Now, let’s… let’s uh… long build-up here to this data about ARC; feel you need this.

Now, furthermore, they give him this, and then he’s got it – but they’ve got him. Anything they give him, they get him too. If he fails to accept anything from them and fails to pay any attention to anything, his career is just spectacular. Unless the Army of course is trying to get something done, or something I never heard of when I was in. But they depend on privates and sergeants and second lieutenants to get something done in wars. I mean, after all, that isn’t the purpose of a military organization to get anything done.

Uh… flows are just flows, and when a differentiation, when the ability to differentiate is as low as 4.0 on the tone scale, one flow can very easily be mistaken for another flow. At 2.0 and at 1.5, the person thinks any flow is at his band level. He thinks anything that’s said to him when he’s at 2.0, really he… he seldom differentiates.

Uh… but it’s very very remarkable how easily this works out. By the way, I found this out empirically: I uh – tell you very briefly – I reported in – Robert Montgomery was uh… on duty at the naval operating base down in uh… San Pedro, and I’d just gotten out of the hospital. They took me off the ship and hospitalized me, and then they let me out of the hospital. And I got out of the hospital and the ship had gone. And so they sent me over to the officer’s pool, and there was nobody over at the officer’s pool to amount to anything, and by this time they’d lost all their… all their navigators were at sea and things like that. And there were a lot of people around, but they came from the Department of Agriculture and uh… I simply checked in and went over to bachelor officer’s quarters and uh… unpacked my bag very carefully. Chose some good quarters by moving a couple of guys out, and unpacked my bag and went down to the library and I got a great big stack of novels, and I went back up and I sat down and I started to read novels.

You come along and you say, „How are you this morning?“ And he’s liable to glare at you. Why, he knows very well what your emotion was when you said that. He can only put on you and feel back the emotion of antagonism, you see? So any flow that comes in is a flow of antagonism. It might be the sweetest flow in the world, it might be the pleasantest flow, or it might be meaner than hell or it might be griefy or it might be anything; he can’t differentiate. He’s lost that power to differentiate and as a net result he thinks everybody’s being antagonistic toward him.

And the days went by, I was perfectly happy, I was reporting in to chow and so on. Everything was going along just beautifully. Until all of a sudden an orderly came over and he says „Sir,“ he said, „um, the Commanding Officer wants to see you immediately“, and so forth, and I said „Oh, I’ll be over.“

Or he’s angry and he’s… he’s… responds to that anger; he goes around looking for everybody to be angry or looking for people to be afraid, and he’ll vary between those two things. He hopes they’ll be afraid, but he’s scared they’ll be angry. The most horrible thing you can do to a 1.5 is really get mad at ‘em. Oh, because that confirms the reality of what he’s been reading off of you all the time.

I’d been at the war, by the way, about two years by this time and I really was bored with it. So anyhow, anyhow I’d go over about two or three hours later to report to the Commanding Officer, and he comes out. And boy, he’s fire and brimstone. „Your name has been on that bulletin board for three days. An officer is supposed to read that every morning at eight o’clock. Your name’s been up there because there’s a YMS out here and there’s nobody – to take it to San Pedro and somebody’s got to take it to San Pedro and there isn’t another officer around here to take this YMS down to San Pedro, and you’re supposed to take it down there. It’s lost its captain.“

Well, he can’t differentiate too well in terms of flows. When he gets really bad off, by the way, he will mistake… when he gets volume of energy packed around him he can actually go to the point of mistaking sight and sound and crossing up on the perceptic band. Yeah, that’s… that’s really weird. If you suddenly hear somebody hearing radio programs, you know where they are on the tone scale and at what volume. They’ve got a confusion on wave length. And when a person is so bad off and the energy is so thick around him that he can get confusion on wave length, he’s pretty bad.

And I said „Ummm-hmmm.“ And uh… I said „I’ll go over and see about it tomorrow.“ „Oh,“ he said. „What… what’s the matter with you?“ And I said, „Well, Commander“ I says, „it’s been a long war.“ „Oh, see here now,“ he says. „You… you can’t quit like this.“

You go around the Veterans Hospitals, every once in a while a guy is suffering so badly from shock and he’s got ridges around him packed so solid that he will be seeing what he ought to be hearing and hearing what he ought to be seeing. That’s quite confusing, but all he’s done there is he’s unable to differentiate, he’s too low on the cycle of action, on ALL cycles of action, in… on differentiation; he is low on it to the point where he can’t tell the difference between wave lengths.

That’s a verbatim conversation. I went down and saw the YMS, but I didn’t take it to San Diego, I decided that the executive officer could take it down to San Diego. Told him so and came back and reported. And I said „It’s on its way.“

Now, he has a communication difficulty, then, by being unable to select out and perceive by various points on the wave length scale, as you saw yesterday. Now, what else gets confused there? Well, he really doesn’t know too well what kind of a flow it is and what that flow is saying when he feels a flow. When he feels a flow, it’s a flow. A flow is a flow is a flow is a flow, as far as he’s concerned. A is getting to equal A. Any kind of a flow is any kind of a ridge. Any kind of a ridge is any kind of a ridge. And a flow could be a ridge could be a dispersal, when he gets down to matter; matter doesn’t care.

They gave me a job operating the nucleus crew training program, and I went out in the morning, and I’d go out in the little boat. And we had a… a radarscope fixed so that we could tell whether or not the nucleus crew was navigating the ship properly, and I sat down in the cabin and played cribbage with the captain. We looked at the radarscope and saw we didn’t run aground anyplace and I’d slop around. Then I’d call this small boat that I had standing on and off to see that… I’d call it aboard and I’d go ashore and have dinner.

Now, where do you enter into the picture on this? Well, there’s the nastiest, stupidest, doggonedest trick when it comes to MEST universe energy and evaluations concerned; let’s look at what a dream it is. Now, I want you right now, as a class, to just make a little test of this. I want you to get… I want you to get this… this… this feeling: Get the feeling that you are agreeing to something. Now, just… just spend a moment or two at this: Get the feeling you’re agreeing to something. (…) Now, you get that feeling?

Very, very interesting. And they… they keep… every time they’d look for you, you weren’t there. But the main reason for this was, is you just didn’t care.

Now, we’ll see how good you are individually. Can you get the feeling of disagreeing with something now? (…) If you study that over for a moment, we won’t occupy much time with it, you’ll find that the agreement was inflow. Did you notice that? Yeah. And uh… that the disagreement was an outflow. Well, those are your two vectors. And of course if a fellow agrees, agrees, agrees, agrees, agrees with the MEST universe and he keeps on agreeing with the MEST universe, he keeps inviting this inflow. Inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow, inflow. And pretty soon it gets stacked up pretty tight around him. He gets darn near like a lump of matter.

I ran this into the ground – just ran it into the ground. There’s nobody could act like this in a military service. Nobody! Finally wound up with the Commanding Officer hysterically wiring Washington to get me put on duty at that base.

All right. Let’s get the message that that energy that he’s seeing stacked up with is carrying.

This is a… this is strictly a case history. I could give you thousands of them.

Now, let’s get this as a flow: wanting something. Let’s get this as a flow: wanting something. Now, let’s get as a flow: not wanting something. What do you do to not want something? Well, that fits very nice; that’s a very nice mechanic, well, isn’t it? When you agree, when you want something, you have… you agree with it, and when you don’t want something, why, you disagree with it. Isn’t that cute? Huh.

But we’ve got this thing operating.

Well, if you agree, if you agree, let’s uh… let’s also get this one: uh… when you agree, you’re having something, aren’t you? When you agree, then you have something. Well, that’s… that’s very logical. In other words, uh… you want something, you agree. That’s all there is to that. So therefore, you can have it. So therefore you can have some time, too. You get havingness, you get things and so on.

Now you go up there, you’re real eager; you want to get this war won; you’re going… you’re very enthusiastic, out-going and so forth, and you’d think that everybody’d start agreeing with you if you’d keep this outflow going, and enthusiasm, and you’re going to get this show on the road, and so forth.

Now, that’s all right if the MEST universe can keep you completely in the dark about the fact that there’s somebody else in the MEST universe besides you. But any time anybody goes off on the first dynamic and they say the first dynamic is the only dynamic, they’re working a control operation; it’s a control operation of magnitude. And here’s why it’s a control operation of magnitude. That’s all right, see, that adds up very beautifully. When you want something you agree to it and when you don’t want something you disagree with it. When you’re going to have something, you agree with it and when you don’t have something, you disagree with it. In other words, not have… that’s… that’s perfect, isn’t it? As long as it’s just you. As long as there’s no interchanges.

Well, you’re running into a lot of people who may be wanting to get the show on the road, too, but there’s such a thing as rank and all that sort of thing, and everybody crashes, so everybody thinks everybody’s disagreeing with everybody else because there’s an outflow and it all by… wou… winds up and everybody gets sore.

Well, the MEST universe tells you that ARC is no good. It tells you it doesn’t work and it tells you it can’t happen; which is a lie. That is the biggest lie it tells, because let’s look at a… the piece of matter that you want. Now, here… here’s flows. You get here the pc, and let’s mark the pc as „I“. All right. Now, that’s agree into him and here’s „I“ again, and that’s an outflow, and that’s disagree. And here is „I“ again, and in we go; he’s pulling in, that’s want. And we get… we get it not want. Isn’t this orderly, as long as it works out in terms of just you. I mean, it works fine, perfect; as long as you’re never interfered with… with another flow of any kind whatsoever, this is perfect. And this is the way ARC is broken to pieces.

Or you… you see how that would be?

Now, let’s take this line up here and let’s see what happens over here to thee. All right, so we’ll just call this „you“, as different than that. „You“ comes in on an agree, that’s „you“ agree; you understand, I mean, by „you“ I mean another person. Here’s „I“, he’s confronted with another person; we’ll call this other person „you“. And here’s this other person who is doing a disagree.

Now theoretically, you could keep a heavy enough outflow flowing so that people would agree with you, and – ha! – what do you know? They’d then have you. You get people agreeing with you, they have you. And if they have you, then your time is just zong! You just get out of control of your own time.

Now, here we have „you“ again wanting and that’s he wants. And here is „you“ not wanting. Uh… that’s… that’s very interesting, and so forth. I mean, there we have your interrelationship of flows and this tells you, then, a lot of interesting things. Very interesting things. Tells you too much, really. Really bogs you down when you start looking at it.

So the spiral down is this spiral of Agreement-Disagreement – and that’s the shortening principle of the dwindling spiral of the MEST universe. That’s why these spirals get shorter and shorter and shorter and shorter. And that’s why a fellow’s space becomes less and less and less and less. Until he finally winds up here.

Here… as long as „I“ here wants agreement from „you“, he will pull into himself agreement, won’t he? „I“ wants agreement, therefore he’s gonna pull in agreement. Now, this is on a calm rational basis; he wants agreement from you. He wants something from you.

All right. Now what’s… what’s this… how do you reverse this game? Well, there’s two ways to reverse this game. One of them is you just go away and never have anything more to do with any thetan of any kind or character whatsoever, and you’ll get no ARC set-ups. Then you can have a good time sitting around doing mock-ups… and… and just skip the whole thing.

‘Course, what’s he gonna get? He’s going to get disagreement. The second he wants agreement, he gets disagreement. „You“, of course, fires back at him. I mean, if… if „I“ were completely capable of monitoring the direction of flow of „you“ and „I“ wanted agreement flowing into him, he would get disagreement from „you“. See? Simple.

That’s really not a terribly bad solution. You don’t think it’s amusing to do mock-ups, perhaps right now, to the degree that it is amusing to do them; or just start games and stop them of your own creation, because you’ve had an unhappy experience as a little kid. That’s no – I mean, when you didn’t have any playmates.

Now, „I“ wants to be disagreed with. He wants things to disagree with him, and uh… so on. He wants this individual to disagree; he’s about to be eaten or somebody’s gonna give him a cigar that’ll make him sick, or something of the sort, and so he says, „I don’t want it.“ Zong! How does this react? We have „you“ agreeing, don’t we? He disagrees and „you“ will agree.

Believe me, don’t make that mistake. Playmates really aren’t necessary. But the little kid had a lot of other factors before he wanted a playmate. He’s already all messed up, and aloneness to him becomes something horrendous. And boy, is aloneness -

Now, that isn’t too bad, but, heh, look at this. When… when „I“ wants to disagree here, „I“ again, he doesn’t want the cigar, he doesn’t want the meal, something like that, down at the level where flows are confused, so it doesn’t… the… the agreement flow and the want flow, are… are… they’re… they’re the same thing, practically. Look what happens here when… when „I“ wants to be disagreed with, and so forth, he creates in „you“ want.

When aloneness is really felt and one suffers from aloneness, is he down the tone scale – oh, brother! That’s one thing that MEST has just simply got to do, and that’s to get together with more MEST. Aloneness.

You say, „I am no good; I am not edible; I will make you awfully sick.“ The reaction on the part of „you“ is to eat.

But this does not mean that that is THE solution; very far from it. You can… you see, if there was just energy and if there was just such a thing as positive and negative energy, all would be lost. Fortunately, that’s not the case. Mock-ups don’t even have to be built out of energy. They can simply be built out of an agreement that that’s the way it looks. You don’t have to have anything there for anybody to see to have a complete communication with mock-ups.

Now, „I“ wants, here… let’s see what happened when „I“ wants something, he… he wants something, it’s coming in: anything he wants’ll disagree with him, of course, because here we are here.

You get a lot of preclears trying to do that who can’t yet handle energy and get through this universe. That becomes very interesting, because, what are they doing? What are they doing there? They’re just going to get a concept and they’re going to permit themselves to be completely machine- gunned from all sides continually with all this energy. And they’re content, then, to say, „Well, I’m above all this energy stuff.“ And it’s a funny thing; their concepts aren’t clear, because here they are, sitting in and dependent upon energy. And in order to get out of where they’re sitting and their dependency on energy, they’ve got to be able to handle energy so they can kick it in the teeth. And if they can’t handle force and energy, they can’t kick it away from them. So it’ll continue to trap them.

You want to know why, when you go out and buy a possession in the MEST universe or acquire a possession in the MEST universe, you don’t like it too well after you own it, after you’ve acquired it. You’ve seen that manifestation more times: you just will die until you get that something-or- other, and the second you get it, you say, „Well, there’s probably something wrong with it, or I’m not sure whether I want this or not,“ or something of the sort, and „I really don’t quite want it.“ That’s because anything you get will disagree with you, of course.

So, we look at the… we look at this game and we say, „Well now, who would possibly get along in this game and who wouldn’t get along in this game? Well, you can get a very high-level group of thetans. They can get together and they can set up teams and play chess and have a good time, make lots of space, lots of action, if they want to go in that direction. But there are entirely different things that can be done that are just as much fun, if not more so, than on the space-energy idea.

Now, let’s look at it the other way around, and we’ll just have „I“ wanting „you“. „I“ here wants „you“. Okay. He’ll create a current flow in front of „you“ and of course „I“ gets „you“ not wanting „I“.

The space-energy idea is highly specialized, and of course, every time you crooked it into line with a positive-negative terminal of opposites, why of course you get „When you win, you’ve got to lose; when you lose, you’ve got to win.“ –

Now, let’s get a couple, and they’re having trouble. And he has decided that he loves her desperately and he wants her desperately and she just doesn’t want to have anything to do with him, until the day when he finally says, „I don’t want you or anything to do with you,“ and then she wants him desperately. See how that works out?

And the more serious you take the game, the less chance there is of winning. The bottom of the tone scale is „Lose,“ and the top of it is „Win.“

Student: Ron, you can check that by wanting something that you know you can’t have and see what happens.

This tells you it takes lots of space, and lots of unseriousness to win.

Mm-hmm.

These things called „universes“ are games. And really the most valuable thing that a thetan possesses is his spirit of play. His spirit of play is sensation of play, and is not just energy. It’s… it’s… it’s a tremendous sensation. A guy has… has practically lost it if he’s here on Earth at all. Spirit of Play. It’s tremendous: he’s depending on all sorts of the soggiest, low tone scale emotions imaginable in order to get any sensation. In substitute for what? Spirit of Play.

Student: It doesn’t run as agree; it runs as disagree, as a… as an outflow instead of an inflow.

For instance, sex is… is… is – boy, that’s about eighth-rate as an emotion. It is just dull – incalculably dull compared to the rapidity, randomity and actual sensation of the Spirit of Play. It’s way up there. And uh… you couldn’t possibly think that anybody could be serious and win through this universe. The more serious they get – 1.5 is real serious – why, of course, the more serious they get the more they have to do things by flows, and the acre they have to agree and the more they have to follow the rules, and the more broken the piece becomes.

Mm-hmm. Wanting something you know you can’t have, that’s right. Guys get down to a locked basis on this, so they know that anything they want they can’t have.

And as you bail up out of it, you find out, all of a sudden, that the universe starts surrendering to a Spirit of Play, and that one of the Spirits of Play is „Let’s pretend.“ And „Let’s pretend“ is a very important thing, because of course it’s a pretense, and it couldn’t be anything else but pretend.

Now, it gets worse than this. Let’s take a look here at agree and have. And here, let’s take a look at have, and let’s take a look in terms of time and, you know, have time.

And you go around worrying because uh… you go around… you see, all of these things have a MEST mockery. Anything theta can do, after it’s been corrupted by MEST, turns into a mockery. And… and you say – „The „let’s pretend or not take it serious“ must be bad.“ If you’re saying this, then you are probably looking at insincerity. A person has already taken it serious, and then has abandoned that. And so he kind of snipes and snarls and so forth, and he uh… uh… knocks to pieces the nomenclature of writing or motion picture making or something of the sort, and runs a lot of… of ss… sneers into it along the line. You know – Time magazine, New Yorker – just beneath contempt.

Now, here we have „I“ and „I“ has an inflow of agree, and „I“ has an outflow of disagree, and „I“ has an inflow of have and „I“ has an outflow of not have.

Uh… this sort of a… of a bored, uh… insincere uh… mockery and so forth. Well, you understand, it’s got to have something to mock before it can mock, and it doesn’t have anything. That should tell you immediately where they must sit on the tone scale. They don’t have anything, but there has to be something they can mock, or something they can be insincere about.

Now, the essentials of energy are have and not have; have and not have. And haves and not haves actually, somehow or other in this cockeyed universe, get together. It’s fascinating, isn’t it? You’ll find more haves supporting the Communist Party. Didn’t ever strike you as strange that some fellow that makes 5 million dollars a year is supporting the very party that will eat him up? Well, that’s in terms of appetite.

So that means that somebody must have been sincere about this above an upper level. They might be up tone scale from the sincere guy or they might not be. That’s beside the point. But when you’re dealing in terms of insincerity and you get „mockery of sincerity,“ the guy’s already bought seriousness – and failed. A guy who does that one has already quit. And it is a form of apathy. „We’ve got to make fun of it because we can’t do it.“

Now, let’s take this as a uh… a schedule here of person and object. This isn’t related at the top here. Person and object. And let’s have this object, which we will make into… I’ll just put an M there. You see, the behavior of this object, the object is saying, „Have me.“ Let’s say it has that potential on it, object. And here the object is saying, „Don’t have me.“ That’s actually what a negative terminal might be saying, any time it’s putting an outflow – you see, it’s established by the polarities – uh… any… any uh… it might be said, when it’s hit… hitting any kind of an outflow, any terminal is saying, „Don’t have me.“ It’s doing a repulsion. And when it’s pulling in, it’s saying, „Have me.“

And it’s the sort of the… the… the snide, sharp cracks of the ball player who’s sitting over on the bench. He’s being very witty at the expense of the guys who have replaced him on the team. It’s bitter. And there’s nothing more serious than that kind of bitterness.

Well, that’s why your very, very low tone scale people, by the way, collect only things which are not desirable.

All right, so where do you go up tone scale from this? You get up into the band of – where? „Let’s pretend.“ Well now, you say, „That’s kid stuff.“ Yeah. Ummm. And boy, do they knock it out of the kid in a hurry. „Now look, Johnny, it’s all very well for you…“ Or use it on him – oh, I’ve… I’ve seen this happen to some poor kids: „Now, Johnny, you know very well that Hopalong Cassidy would have eaten his cereal.“ And uh… the poor kid gets roped in these days. They’ve set up all sorts of mock-ups for the kid to buy, instead of the kid fixing up mock-ups. Well, of course, that’s about the fastest thing you could do to a kid. If you want to put him up at the top of the chute and really shove him to the bottom, give him some beautiful, engraved, pure lead pistols. Hmm-umm. You’ve given him a MEST object, and corroded it with an illusion. There it sits in his hand. Oh, he’s much better off with his thumb and forefinger. But the truth be told, it’s a much more important and interesting game to simply mock up the weapon.

Now, we have… over here, we have uh… agree and here we have disagree. This should tell you wonders about possessions and about engrams and deposits of energy, and so forth. Now, what… what happens here? Now, let’s look at the extremes up here: „I“ agree and M disagree. We’ve just covered this; the object of course agrees and disagrees as we saw it on the first graph.

And if you’re going to deal with energy, have it shoot. What… what’s the kid doing with a hand? Let him make a weapon of his own design and blow the hell out of Johnny.

Now uh… this second graph here shows you that if a fellow, if „I“, in this case, you’d think, agrees with something, he could have it. If he agrees with something, he can have it. Isn’t that a beautiful universe? Plus-minus polarities. And if he disagreed with something, he wouldn’t have to have it, would he? Well, let’s look at this.

„Let’s pretend“: when a man loses his Spirit of Play, he’s dead. That means that guys start dying at about 3.0. And sure enough, 3.0 down a guy will tell you, „Well, I had some illusions when I was a kid, but I’ve lost all of those. I’m practical now. We’ve got to face this thing practically, and what we’re doing here is very serious, and the reason I work hard at the office every night and work until ten or eleven o’clock is I have to keep those Cadillacs going. And uh… help keep the Cadillacs going because of the social position of the wife, you know. And uh… it’s terribly important, and so forth, and keeping the big house going, and that sort of thing.“ Some night he goes home and she’s run away with the chauffeur. This uh… and he says my heart is broken and all is lost.“

He agrees with something so it, of course, has a flow pulled around past it and it’s immediately saying, „Don’t have me.“ The second he agrees with something, it says, „Don’t have me.“ He goes down and he says, „Well, that’s fine. The automobile is going to run and uh… all of this, and I agree with this thing perfectly,“ and of course that day it won’t start. That… it’s just a lead-pipe cinch that that’s what’s gonna happen.

Why? Why does he say this? Isn’t that… isn’t that fascinating. He’s got a MEST object which he kept giving things to until he had it enMESTed thoroughly, then he wondered why it went down tone scale so it didn’t have any morals and no responsibility. He introduced the factor of automaticity to such a degree that nothing could exist, except matter. And then he wonders why the boy has trouble at college. „What’s all this? Yeah. The gods have afflicted me“ he says, as he stuffs another spoonful of decayed whale down his gullet.

Now, we get disagreement, and the fellow says, „I don’t want it. I wouldn’t ever touch it if anybody ever gave me one and a million dollars to boot. I’d have nothing whatsoever to do with it,“ and there it is sitting on his doorstep. This ferocious and horrible determinism not to have something winds up in what? It winds up in making the full vector of matter say, „Have me.“

You want to know what’s wrong with your preclear? Well, your preclear is too serious. You want to know what seriousness is? Seriousness is solidity. You ever hear of a „solid citizen“? You want to get something done, don’t get any of these serious boys. Shoot them on sight – or process them. But if you want to get something done, don’t have anything to do with them.

Well, now, a fellow… this tells you something horrible. That tells you that you could only really only acquire enMEST. You could never acquire good MEST. EnMEST would say enturbulated MEST, busted up toys, run-down thingamabobs; uh… it tells you that any time you tried to conquer a nation, you would conquer rubble. It tells you the automatic result of an attempted conquest of a nation would be rubble. It tells you that any time you try to get ahold of a great big bank of energy, it’s gonna be a mess. It’s gonna tell you that if you consistently ran MEST universe facsimiles and ran them as facsimiles, that you’d result in scrambling the bank.

There’s nothing succeeds like insouciance. Plain flippancy will actually get more done in less time than anything else you can name. That’s a funny thing, isn’t it? It’s not serious; the guy’s flippant. The guy says, „Oh…“ It’s something like… There’s there’s more battles have been won for some general by some sergeant, or something of the sort, that said, „Well…“ Oh, by the way, one of the ways that Tamerlane really made a reputation was knocking in Hashshashin’s headquarters. Timourilang, the Iron Man, the Great Limpur – oh boy! He was good and serious. He had a sense of humor, though. You know this uh… this uh… old uh…old thing about the guy with the gold uh… Midas? You know, he couldn’t eat his gold, and he… that goes around a lot. He evidently, possibly, initiated that. I think it was in Cairo, and uh…he heard that the sultan there was very, very wealthy and when he got to the gates of Cairo, why there was no army, and he went in and he couldn’t understand this. He said, „What the devil? You’ve got all that gold and you can’t buy yourself any protection? Well, we’re going to be good to you.“ So he shut the guy in the tower with nothing to eat but his bags of gold. I think the legend more or less originated there. He had his flippant moments too, but kind of grim.

Why? Because the preclear is saying, „All right. I agree, I agree to run this. I agree to have this energy inflow. I agree to have this energy inflow.“ And what do you know, the energy at that moment is going to say, „Don’t have me.“ „I agree to this inflow, and therefore I’m gonna run this – engram.“ Result: occlusion.

They used to make pyramids of… the Khan, Genghis Khan used to make pyramids of skulls. Fascinating.

All right. Here, he says, „I uh… don’t want that damned engram. I’m not going to have anything to do with it, and to hell with it. It’s not gonna influence me, it’s not gonna influence me, it’s not gonna influence me.“ It says, „Have me.“ He rejects it and he’s got 1t. Why? It agrees with him.

Uh… his idea of flippancy was just a trifle grim. For instance, one time 35,000 soldiers surrended to him and laid down their weapons and so forth, so he put them in the center of his camp and at twelve midnight had his troops slaughter them. He accepted their surrender because he would never take a man who was not taken without arms in his hands.

But there is a little bit of light. If you were to say to an engram, if you were to say to an engram, „To hell with you,“ it would wind up owned. If you were simply to say to an engram, „Okay. So we’ve got it here on the track“ – and we finally locate it in space and time, that’s all. Now you say, „To hell with you.“ Watch it blow up. Just put out a good strong impact against the engram of „to hell with you!“ It’s worth an experiment, you see, ‘cause it’ll work.

He would have nothing to do with a man who was not taken… not fighting. A guy could only expect mercy at the hands of the Khan if he had about ten of the Khan’s best troops dead in their tracks at his feet.

You get this beautifully clear lock and just suddenly muster up, just muster up and… and you’ve got the thing located (that’s of course 90 percent of running it). Uh… you’ve got the thing located and then just put out an upsurge between it and watch what happens to it. It’ll go zook. It’ll actually change location in space. Without monitoring it any further, you just put an outflow and say, „Zong. I don’t want anything to do with you.“ It’s liable to explode, or go away, or anything.

Now he had a code he ran on, pretty down scale and all that sort of thing, but it was there. Well, he got a big reputation one time that he didn’t deserve really at all. He kicked in this stronghold, he heard this stronghold existed, his troops were just tremendous. Those little guys were just fascinating to look at. Anyway, he… he uh… took this citadel, and this citadel – Hashshashin had more or less controlled a large section of Asia at one time or another – it was more or less in decadence. And one man was responsible for taking it.

But… but we say, „All right. All right. The MEST universe is trying to make me do this and that. And in school they wanted me to do so-and-so and that uh… here they wanted me to do that, and every place they’ve gone… they… and so on; and the thing for me to do is to knuckle down and to do my job of work and get in there at 10 o’clock in the morning and… and… and work right straight through till 10 o’clock at night, and… and… and do all of this, and I… I’m going to agree to this, and I’m everything…“ Oh, boy. Boy, is that job gonna disagree with you!

They had a rank called Kha Khan. Kha Khan was like a medal. It ten times forgave a person the death penalty. He could ten times incur the death penalty and uh… not get it, if he became a Kha Khan. Well, this kid became a Kha Khan. But he, by his lonesome, scaled this tremendous citadel which had stood for hundreds of years completely impregnable to everything, and kicked open the front gate. He went up a sheer mountain cliff and went over sheer towers and battlements and down into the midst of the enemy, and went in and opened the gate and took the castle. One guy.

The first thing you know, they’re gonna say, „Well, that’s it, that bum. He just works sa… he’s a sap. Uh… ah, well. Uh… I… I know… I know a fellow down the road, oh, we’ve got him… the next post above him is open uh… in the uh… department so uh… I know a fellow down the road that used to shovel uh… uh… stuff out of the curbs and off the curbs and things like that, and I think he’d probably… I… I don’t know. He doesn’t seem to want to work here. Let’s put him on.“

What do you think his idea of insouciance was? Everybody knew you couldn’t possibly do anything like that to that much MEST. It had stood for all these centuries and it fell to one man.

The Service is the most wonderful place of this in all possible operations, because the Service doesn’t give a damn; it’s too down low tone scale for anything to happen anyway. And one day, just as an experiment, I told a kid that – I… I was in the hospital, and uh… the kid was off one of my ships and he came in and he says, „I’ve got to get back aboard,“ he says. „I can’t stand this place any longer.“ He says, „What do I do? What do I do to get back aboard?“

Look down the line at the spirit of the men of great or murderous deeds, even here in the decadence of action on Earth, and you’ll find out they are strange boys, very strange fellows. They just kinda never kinda nailed down in the right places and did just exactly the right things. You looked in vain for the old school tie; you… you looked in vain for this or that. Like… like an ecstatic young ensign I saw once uh… standing on a dock, ordering destroyers to load up gas drums and freight them across to an island to make a refueling depot. He didn’t have any authority, the captain of the destroyer didn’t have any authority. Nobody owned the gas drums. They had just more or less come by those, and so forth. And th… this level of action is actually the kind of action that makes things happen in this universe. The second somebody makes something happen like that, into his tracks and into the vacuum moves conservatism.

And I said, „Well, the next time the doctor comes in interviews you down in the ward, you say, „Now, I don’t feel very well and I don’t see why I’d have to be returned to duty, because my stomach hurts, and I hurt this way and I’m in bad shape.“ And I said, „Make it very convincing. The truer you make it, the faster it works.“ And I… so I just explained to on this.

There was a great old fellow in China named Huang the Innovator, and Huang the Innovator practically turned China upside-down and right-side-up again and then upside-down and left it that way. But he organized a lot of systems; he organized a system of agriculture, he also organized the Ja… the Chinese civil uh…service which we use in this country. Uh… we don’t use Chinese in this country, but uh… we use the same system.

He says, „Gee, that sounds awful dangerous to me. They’re liable to keep me here.“

Anyway, he invented that system, and uh… this guy was… he laid down the laws that are going to be this way and that way and the other way; and he laid them all down very nicely, and he had them all patterned out beautifully. But he himself didn’t kind of follow that. He was a wild man! He was a wild man. Nobody could ride up alongside of him. He had more women than he could count. Uh… and his whole principle was „The world has… has got to be in good shape“ and that sort of thing. Boy, he accomplished it in all directions.

„No, no. No, no,“ I said. That’s… sick call was at 9 o’clock and he was up with his kid at 10 o’clock shaking me by the hand and saying, „I’ll see you back aboard, Skipper.“ I got him out of there from guns!

And he actually laid down the spirit of innovation. And he said that without the progress, without change – and so on. He said all these things and he explained it all, these things and everybody said „Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, yes Huang. Yes Huang. Yeah – yeah – yeah.“ And then the old guy died and poom! In moved Chinese conservatism and there hasn’t been a stick altered in those things that he set up. I mean, it’s really rigid.

Now, there as some kid that was running the communications information center on a big cruiser; there wasn’t any other officer remaining aboard that cruiser who could run the CIC, Combat Information Center. And uh… that cruiser was hot and heavy, right in the middle of everything. And this kid had to have an operation for a piece of shell fragment, and so on. And they sent him back to the States in a hurry by special plane so they could have him back again because there was a terrible scarcity of good CIC officers. And the second he said to ‘em, unfortunately, „I’m necessary aboard my ship,“ the last I heard he’d been there 14 months.

He set up a static China’s never gotten off of. I was just giving you a look there. But he wasn’t serious and they were. And where’s China? It’s been „et.“ I trust that they found it very indigestible.

This is the modus operandi, but don’t take that as… don’t… don’t take what I’m saying as freak. It’s not a freak. I’m not talking about a uh… a peculiar, occasional manifestation. I’m talking about agree. I’m talking about disagree. And when I’m talking about „have me“ and „don’t have me“, I’m talking about time.

Everybody who has desired China, by the way, has always ultimately found it awfully indigestible. Here we have these same laws at work.

So, this individual wants time, he, of course, wants time. He’s got to have, to want time. In order to have time, he’s got to have, you see; he’s got to have an object. He really does have to have an object. If you don’t believe it, try to go on a vacation sometime with not a dime in your jeans. –

Now uh… how does this all apply on the level of processing? I’d hate to think that your goal was to get your preclear serious about his sanity. He… you would never accomplish your goal, then. Never get him serious about his sanity. He’s had seriousness piled at him until you can actually just trigger a line charge by explaining everything to him in a careful tone of voice about how serious he’s got to be about this. You could just explain it to him, sit and explain it to him carefully, that you don’t want any laughter. You don’t want him to take these things lightly, you see. You just keep piling it on him in this wise. He’s getting a type of selected flow he didn’t know existed before, and that alone will free him somewhat.

He wants to have; in other words, he wants time. And what’s he find, the second he does this? The object that he gets disagrees with him so he can’t have any liberty. The second he wants some time, he can’t have liberty. The moment he decides that he wants some time on his hands, he is, at that moment, going to have… the things which he does have become disagreeable. They’re gonna upset, uh… the gaskets are gonna blow and so forth.

You can get some preclear, talk to him that way and he’ll start line charging. He’ll… he can… you can get a guy line charging for hours and hours and hours on that kind of a treatment, that’s all. Just get frantic to make him serious. You’re just piling on that kind of a flow at that particular wave length and wave pattern, and the guy just won’t stick with it, that’s all.

It isn’t anything mysterious. Don’t look at this as something mysterious that sits in back of something or other and it depends on chance. A roulette wheel is chance; this is not chance. This is the way it works.

Now an individual who has lost an inability to differentiate amongst waves, types of waves and intentions – in other words practically anybody from four on down – has run into this upset about flows. So you could… you could shift on such a person, „All right now let’s run the flow Agree – Agree. Now run Have to Have – Have to Have. Now let’s run the Beauty of Having to Have – Agree.“ He runs them all the same, and with the consequent idiocies which you see in those charts.

So he’s got to have in order to have more time in order to do this and that. He sends away to Sears & Roebuck in order to get one of these whirligig windmill machines that will run a storage battery so he can have lights in his house, and he spends a lot of time lighting this thing up. Then he’ll have some time to read at night, and he’s got this up, see, and he won’t have to waste all that time filling that lamp or lighting that candle or striking that match and reading that book page. And he sends all this away, and what’s he spend the rest of his time doing? Keeps climbing that tower and fixing that propellor and going down the tower, and so forth, and by golly, he never has any time to read.

And you can run those for an awful long time because if you let things inflow on him too hard and too long and that sort of thing, why if you’re not pretty expert, you’ll get things collapsing on him and he’ll get more and more solid.

You see, he doesn’t get an agreeable time; he gets… he gets some time, all right.

So what do you want to do? You want to permit him to occupy more space, and you want his thoughts and incidents and that sort of thing to occupy more space. So w… what do you do? You approximate flows, dispersals and ridges with mock-ups, which have lots of space. And every time you make him do a mock-up, you just give him some better anchor points. Give him more space to put it in, and move it in more space. And give him more space and more space and more space until all of a sudden he says, „Why am I worrying about the fact that Earth occupies this… its own space which is coincident here? I’ve got a lot more space, and I can put things out a lot further than that.“ We can do this in a big way and it becomes interesting to him.

Now, what would he have if he says, „Now, I don’t have to… I don’t have to have any… I don’t need that. I… I don’t need that at all. Let’s see, I’ll get along with what we have and the hell with it. Ah, well, make, ah… what we got do, and we don’t want any of this other stuff.“ Actually, the riches of the universe pour in on his head. Everything around him starts saying, „Have me, have me, have me; ga… how about me?“ That’s… that’s the way she works.

You see that… that – another trick of this universe is, the test of reality is SOLIDITY! Naaaa! Anything nebulous isn’t real. The only real thing there is, is an idea. There isn’t anything more real than an idea. Nebulous? It doesn’t exist in space and it doesn’t have any energy connected with it.

So, if he has… if he… if he wants time – and he, by the way, unfortunately, gets all kinds of time, because the universe says, „Have me“. So either way you look at it, you get flypaper. You see, there’s no… no way out of the flypaper. If you decide not to have with the universe and disagree with it thoroughly and rush against it and disagree the hell out of it, it says, „Come to Papa.“ And if you say, „I agree with you, I agree with you,“ and… and uh… all that, and all is well, why, uh… it says, „We don’t want anything to do with you, fellow.“ For every win, there’s a lose; for every lose, there’s a win.

So you see how far around your preclear has gotten twisted, on what’s real? Give him more space.

One of the v… very interesting things that you can run with a preclear: he’s loused up on time. What is apathy but too much time? That’s right, it’s energy. It’s too thick a havingness. He’s got too much.

Now, I’ll give you uh… a very brief statement here, of the process connected with this. The test of how much space a preclear has: have him put a toothpick out in front of him, a mock-up, and have him move it an inch away. See if he can do that well. Now have him take that toothpick and move it about four inches closer to him – the mock-up of it, you know. And then have him take this toothpick and move it about ten inches away from him; and then two feet away; and then much closer to him. And then much further from him. And then change the toothpick into something like a lead pencil of his own creation. And move it close to him and away from him and so on. And then change that into such objects as trees, walls, solid objects. And have them move close to him and move away from him. And each time, be awfully careful with this process, that you get a proper gradient scale. And move that item in time, that is to say, „had it yesterday, will have it tomorrow.“ And change its location.

If you want to take somebody and really cure him of apathy, if he feels that he is in terrible danger and dire straits, the damndest thing: have him take everything he owns, except the shirt he stands in and the pants and shoes he’s wearing, and take it out and throw it away. Regardless what it is or anything else, just have him take it out and dump it and destroy it. And what do you know, he gets lots more space, right away. Instantly, get lots more space.

But most of these should be played, for current lifetimes, straight in front of the preclear; and should be played around to the sides of him to get orientation points of earlier lives.

If you could get a psycho… you could get a psycho to part with one of the Kleenexes in the box of Kleenex which you’ve just presented them, you’re pretty good. Whoa, boy! They’re having a hell of a time.

And what will you find? You’ll find your preclear that’s worst off can’t even anywhere vaguely hold a toothpick out in front of him. It comes in and smacks him one.

You say, „Part with one word.“ Uh-huh. No, they’re saying, „Agree, agree, I agree, I’ve agreed, I’ve agreed, and my God, I’m getting so rocky I don’t know which end I’m standing on, but I’ve agreed; don’t punish me any further, I can’t stand the pain. Don’t punish me any further, I agree.“ And they wind up by having to have everything which is disagreeable. Everything which is disagreeable then and there happens to them.

Why? Too many MEST universe objects have too convincingly tried to occupy the same space as he was occupying. At 40 miles an hour he has hit a tree. He was trying to occupy the space and the MEST universe object tried to occupy the space and he came off second-best. And this has happened to him and happened to him.

You wonder why machinery doesn’t work for some people. Well, there’s nothing mysterious about it. It isn’t anything esoteric you’re examining; it isn’t anything that goes into the firmament in some fashion or another and is tailor-made by some god. This thing’s already been set up. You say to this piece of equipment, „I don’t want you,“ or, „I don’t care what happens to you.“ A null or a flow against and it works. And you say to it, „All right. Now, let’s see. You have to do this and you have to do that to it, and you have to do something else, and we’ll have to take good care of it; we’ll have to wash it and we’ll have to grease it, and we have to paint it and we have to polish it and we have to buy licenses for it, and so forth, and we have to park it out front, and we park it out back,“ and so on. You’ll find out all of a sudden that the payments on it, or something or other, and that is… this, or something or other, and then it needs replacement, because there’s a later model. It won’t take you anyplace, either. It’s always in the garage, or someplace else. It’s fascinating.

Now we’ve got fast transportation here in this country. As you go forward you see the scenery flowing in toward you, flowing in toward you. It’ll kick into restimulation all of those space occupation incidents. It seems to tell you everything is moving into your space. Everything is moving into your space. And you get that flow-in and flow-in and flow-in and flow-in and flow-in, and flow-in. And of course, it’s an elasticity of flow. It’s over-reached itself and so it’ll pack into the space in front of the preclear.

The thing which you either completely disregard or disagree with will serve.

There isn’t any reason why he shouldn’t be running the nearest facsimile to him five miles in front of him. Get that! There’s no reason why he ought to be running a facsimile an inch or two inches in front of his face. Boy, he’s bad off. He’s real bad off if he’s running a facsimile so that he’s in immediate perception of it. It ought to be out there about five miles.

Now, there’s a level of outflow… there’s a level of outflow which is so low on the tone scale that it is just MEST handling MEST, and that just doesn’t work. Your Japanese officer in the Philippines, for instance, found out a locomotive wouldn’t go, so he had his men beat it with sticks. It didn’t go. It’s just MEST handling MEST. On that level, everything is enMEST. The guy, the object, everything. And you have to go up tone scale a little bit to get this principle very smoothly workable. You can’t take a sledgehammer and smash all the spark plugs of a car in frightful disagreement, and so forth, and have the car function.

The reason your individual keeps popping back into his head, the reason why he can’t get out of his head, this whole deal about amount of space available to the preclear; how much space can he own, how much space can he be in?

Now, the way to handle a car is the way you handle anything else. There is a difference of flows, you understand. If you just differentiate flows, you’re all right. You can put out a sort of a smooth wave to this car and you say, „All right, all right, let’s go, let’s run.“ No gas, no tank, nothing; it turns over. You think I’m kidding.

Your first condition: he is a point in space and he can occupy the space he has. Your next condition is, of course, he’s just backed up and dispersing a little bit because something else is trying to occupy his space.

You’ve got to come up tone scale a little bit to do that sort of thing, but there’re pieces of equipment around that just absolutely have no business running whatsoever. There’s no business running. And you put ‘em under somebody else’s management, and they won’t run. They just quit, right there. That’s because they were being kept alive with something more than mechanical information.

And your condition below that, and the worst of the conditions, is that he’s dispersed all over the place. He’s trying to occupy his space. That’s not dispersal because of an explosion; that’s because he’s been moved too often in too many spaces, and too many things have tried to occupy his space.

Now, it’s hard for an engineer… it’s hard for an engineer, as indoctrinated as he is into the workability of structure and mechanics, to recognize or even look at this factor. This is another one of these factors, but by golly, this… it’s just as actual and real as that electric light. MEST works when it has been aligned by theta. You look in the old axioms for homo sapiens, it covers this to a heck of a degree. MEST works as long as it’s been aligned by theta. And as long as the MEST flow that’s going out is aligning, MEST hasn’t… no… I mean, pardon me; the theta flow going out is aligning MEST, MEST doesn’t have a chance in the world. It just has to get into line, that’s all. You get a smooth outgoing flow.

Solid objects have tried to occupy the same space he was trying to occupy. He’s ridden a… he’s ridden a… a… a dish – a flying uh… saucer or something of this sort. He’s ridden that thing into a glacier or a… or into a brick wall or into the side of a dark star. And brother, that thing really tried to occupy the space he was occupying. And it was trying to occupy it, and he hit something at a couple of light years’ speed, sometime. If you don’t think it’s really a sudden occupation of space… It’s shocking. It makes impacts, it makes ridges. A fellow gets convinced after a while that there’s… a solid ridge is still in front of him. He’s just hung up in an old incident where something tried to occupy his space.

But your engineer building a dam, anyplace he is, knows this, continually: He gets one foreman and all the equipment goes to hell and nothing happens, but obviously he’s a good foreman. He’ll get another foreman and everything runs smooth as a clock. And the difference flowing off of these two men can be sensed by the individual himself.

And the way you solve this is to run flows in toward him and flows away from him. And if you start running flows in toward him, flows of water, flows of ink, invisible flows, flows of blackness, ribbons, anything that moves in toward him. Just move them in toward him and move them away from him; in toward him, and away from him. And let him run flows against his sides, run flows this way. Mock up a body for him way out in front of him and let the flows run at that body. He’ll do that safely enough.

One is gonna get the job done one way or the other, and so on. And the other says, „Yeah, I can do the job.“ He doesn’t necessarily say it without volume, but the MEST lines up. Energy vectors, somebody understands the law of something or other or something like that, he really just enforces into it.

You’ll find strange things. If you rig up a river, usually there insists on being driftwood in it. Oh, just run it.

Okay. I hope you understand a little bit more, because you look this over a little bit more, you’re gonna find a lot more there than I’ve written down. I leave it to your wits to figure out the rest of it. Let’s take a break.

And you get then… you take the tension out of those things which have tried to occupy his space.

Now there’s a fluidity, a flow, which stacks a person’s space up. Everything has moved in on this guy. A paranoid is one on whom everything is impinged. There isn’t any, really, such thing as a paranoid. There’s such a thing as collapsed space.

Now there’s the other reverse case, and this person has really got a special case, and that’s – he’s sitting in the middle of one explosion or he’s had a whole chain of explosions and he’s dispersing all over the place. Anything he tries to get close to him will just fly away. Kaboom! He can’t get any solidity up close to him at all. He gets thin.

There’s a big joke on the „suck-chiatrists“: most of their paranoids are dispersal cases that don’t have things up against them at all. Big joke, isn’t it? They aren’t classical paranoids at all. They aren’t being smashed up against, but they’re trying to hold on to keep something from going away.

And some of your „flow“ boys that get things are flowing in madly on to them and so forth, no, they’re keeping actually, actively, continually keeping this flow going in on themselves. Why? Because that’s one way of holding on! They’ve been in the middle of an explosion sometime and they know darn well that if they reverse this process and suddenly stopped letting everything come in on them, that the whole universe would fly away from them and they’d never be able to attain it again.

Now one of the things that occupies space and one of the operations by which space is occupied, is by falling. One is in space and he falls and he hits a planet or something. You know, you fall out of a second-story window and you hit Earth, you fall and you hit a planet. It suddenly starts to occupy the space that…

Do you know that a person’s concept who has fallen too often has dropped many inches. A person’s concept of himself, in terms of mass. But in terms of space occupation has raised many inches. In other words, he’s hit and this has jarred his existing mass down, but because something has tried to occupy where he was, he has backed off.

Now his first action as he sees that planet come along is to do what he would do in his own universe, which is suddenly pick that planet up and chuck it the hell out of the road. And he fails… and he fails to do it. That’s why you can’t run these falling engrams worth a nickel on individuals. He just flops when he tries to do this.

And so you’ve got the stuck visio. Well that visio is, you’re trying to move the object. Let him create mock-ups in trying to move objects and you will solve this idea.

Now you get mock-ups out in front of him, mock-ups out to the side. You’ll find out in past lives he wasn’t facing the direction he’s facing now. He was facing some other direction. So you have to run these things in a 360-degree sphere around him: up from the bottom, down from the top. You’ll find falling incidents hitting him from above him and things like that. I mean, he isn’t in orientation with… just regard to where he is.

So you do mock-ups to solve this business of too much space crowding up on him and trying to hold the space and objects from flying out away from him.

And your thinnest guys, the real thin guys, the… the this… this… there’s a typical paranoid. I mean, he’s… he, he’s a strange looking boy – typical. He’s a type. You run into him time after time. He’s holding on like mad and he knows he can’t hold on to anything because it’s all flying away anyhow. And boy he holds on to everything.

And your other fellow is trying to push things off of him all the time and he can’t push things off of him because they’re going to move in on him willy-nilly.

If you want to… want to just give a preclear a good run sometime, let him ride backwards in an automobile. One preclear will do all right riding backwards in the automobile, another preclear will do all right riding frontwards in the automobile. Depending on the preclear, that will be the therapy. You can actually let him sit and watch the MEST flow away from him and get a big relief. Or you can let him sit and watch the MEST flow into him and he’ll get a big relief. But just do the opposite: the guy that too many things are flowing in on, let’s make him face forward. „Oh, no!“ He gets nervous. He gets upset about his driving. And the fellow who has things flowing away from him, if we let him ride backwards, he gets sick at his stomach.

All right, so let’s place things to him, and place things away from him and solve by creative processing, mock-ups, this whole situation of contracted space, and you’ll find that you’ll be able to take your psychotic – instead of getting jump-jump-jump every few days, you’ll be able to get it, with creative processing, jump-jump-jump-jump-jump-jump-jump-jump-jump-jump.

And that’s the way your case ought to go, and anytime when your case is slowing down on you and it isn’t doing that, it’s because you’re not resolving the problem of space and you’re not getting particles further apart for this guy. And therefore you won’t be solving the case.

Now I hope you know the primary requisite of creative processing: assist him to do what he’s trying to do so he won’t give a damn after a while whether he’s doing it or not, and he’ll get well. And that’s in terms of objects in space. Let him handle them. And that is the… actually the rock- bottom principle of creative processing. Thank you. I’ll see you at eight.