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DISCUSSION OF DEMO ABOVE: AGREEMENT WITH FLOWS

Summary to Date: Handling Step 1 and Demo

A lecture given on 17 December 1952A Lecture given by L. Ron Hubbard on the 17 December 1952

This is the third hour of the afternoon class, December the 17th.

This is first hour, afternoon lecture, on December the 17th following Dreadful Tuesday.

We’ve just had a demonstration of Lifting. Uh… I want to point out that I made too big a step there once. And point out that I did a couple of steps without mock-ups between them. And if you were watching there and observing it, you found out that you… that we were getting him just a little bit less action – did you notice that, by the way? I said… suddenly made you pick up four fingers without first making you pick up three fingers.

Now, some of you have accused me of operating in this… I mean, of… no… some of you, just – I think, just one has mentioned it to me, „You of course are not giving these lectures with any organizational plan“ – that’s been mentioned to me. And uh… well, that’s all right. And that has not been true up to this moment. What you got was the basic fundamentals you had read to you there the first 20 pages of the book which covered some of the old material and lined it up and showed how much of it we were still using, and this material was followed by our newer theory. And that newer theory was merely, as I was showing you in the last lecture, a little bit higher up the cone than we’d been before, and evaluated the same data. And then this was followed by an interweaving of Tone Scale and Cycles of Action and Cycles of Action and the Tone Scale and Tone Scales and Cycles of Action. And there was an awful lot about Space. There was an awful lot about Energy. And there was quite a bit following that on various techniques, one way or the other. And I talked to you about handling preclears, here and there throughout these lectures.

Now what did you feel about that?

But we built up the body of theory before I started to talk about Standard Operating Procedure. And then I started to talk about Standard Operating Procedure and gave you Standard Operating Procedure and outlined Steps One, Two, Three, Four pretty well. And I outlined earlier Step. No. Five.

PC: Just seemed to be solid like.

And I brought you now to a point where, theoretically, you could operate simply by using this information. And so it has not been true that these lectures were completely disorganized until this minute. And now it happens to be true.

LRH: That seemed to be a little bit solid. Yeah. We’d gone up to three, you see, four. As it was we just put a little more time on that than should have been. We jumped too big a step. And, of course, that we covered immediately and we were shortly back in the running again. We just went back and picked up the three step, did the three step very thoroughly and then came on to the four step. And the four steps then…

It happens to he completely true from here on. We haven’t, really, any more data to tell you. Somewhere in the bulk of these last many hours of information, practically every datum that interrelates and makes up the package which you need in order to understand and evaluate the human mind has been present, somewhere or other. And in your hands is SCIENTOLOGY 8-8008 and this gives a very rough, brief summary. And the only thing new about it is the technique – the exact technique known as Spacation. And the exact technique known as Balancing. And we’ve given you Standard Operating Procedure Issue Five instead of Issue Three, as given in the book. And these techniques are outlined on mimeographed sheets which are in your hands.

How’d they feel the second time?

So there’s really… there’s really nothing more to know about the human mind, about the universe, about aesthetics, space opera… past lives, other planets – you can read WHAT TO AUDIT if you want a disentanglement. Whether that’s true or not, whether the material in it is exact or not is beside the point. That material is there not to tell a story, but to help an auditor solve a case. And it’s told from that viewpoint and from that viewpoint it’s accurate.

PC: It felt lighter.

It uh… is also, by the way, probably to a large degree true. But I can’t tell you exactly to this day exactly how this GE gets himself into such an accuracy in building a carbon-oxygen engine; he becomes fixated on it. Or if the GE is really just a decayed thetan or another breed of cat. Or if there is such a thing as a thetan native to the MEST universe. I know you’re not. No preclear I ever processed was native to the MEST universe – not one.

LRH: It felt much lighter, you see.

But it’s very possible that the GE and its ilk are. I don’t know. Don’t have to know either. Otherwise we would have taken large steps to find out.

Another thing is, what did you feel about doing mock-ups in between? Did you keep wanting to get the show on the road? Or what about the mock-ups? What was your reaction?

And so now that you’re full equipped and need nothing, not even experience, to go on and produce all the results produceable, why, probably I ought to simply go over something that is very technical or uh… uh… show you that really you don’t know after all and that uh… when you do get certain facts memorized you will become an authority and uh… so on. I should do that, but I’m not going to.

PC: Oh, it was good.

The fact of the matter is, is when you haven’t seen any of these techniques in operation, really in operation, beyond those few demonstrations which I have given you in between breaks. And some preclear says so-and-so and so-and-so. I didn’t give you too much of a demonstration when I did that.

LRH: Hmm?

So I think probably from here on, the best thing that I could do is to show you this stuff in action. And in so demonstrating it to you, give you some feel of how you go about it, because otherwise there might always remain a doubt in your mind about the fact that ‘Hubbard’s doing something else’, and ‘I’m probably not doing it according to Hoyle’ or something. And uh… it might have a different aspect entirely. There is that possibility.

PC: It relaxed me.

Now, therefore, the first thing that we ought to do is take a Step One and very briefly tell you how to handle a Step One and then very briefly show you the Operation Step One, on somebody who is a Step One.

LRH: Yeah. That’s right, that’s right. Because he’s in there pitching and agreeing with the real universe, instead of the actual universe, and so he takes a look at the actual universe and uh… throws himself some mock-ups there and all of a sudden he says, “Well, not so bad,” and uh… you got release from tension.

And then I ought to tell you a little bit more about Two and about Three and about Four and about Five. And we haven’t got any Sixes. (We’ve got several Eight’s.) Now we’re not going to cover that technique. There’s a special technique for these which we’re still withholding and which we’ll never give up.

So, actually your preclear will benefit if you did two or three mock-ups between every single step. But there is no reason why you should have to do this, to any great extreme. There’s nothing compulsive about this.

And uh… therefore Step One is the first thing in order. I want… I want you to understand this. You really do have all the theory and all the applications and the interweavings in the materials which I outlined to you. You really do have these things at this time. Don’t think something new is going to slap you in the face. In other words, you can relax about this.

But it just so happens that if you’re making him agree with the real universe, why uh… it just goes faster if you’ll throw some mock-ups in there. He feels a little bit relaxed and he feels a little bit happier about the thing.

There’s a lot of things on these tapes that you didn’t hear; that I can guarantee, because that’s always the case.

So, this process would’ve continued from four fingers, of course to the hand; and then both hands and then would have continued up to the elbows. And the arms, and then we would have wiggled with one foot in one direction and then wiggled with the other foot in the other direction, and then pushed the feet together and then pulled the feet apart and uh… then made one toe tap – just lifted the toe and let it fall a few times. And then we would have hooked a line on and possibly made him pull his foot off the platform edge – anything like that so it would just drop a little bit. And uh… then we would have finally picked it up at the knee and let it swing back – I mean, pick it up so it bent at the knee, you see? And then… you’re starting to look at me fascinated. What’s the matter? Does that sound hard?

But that doesn’t mean the data is not available to you because at the very worst, if you were to move out to – well, let’s really get out in the sticks. I mean, let… let’s… let’s get out – well. I don’t know, I heard that a human being went there once. Let’s go to Wichita uh… on this uh… on this level and… and you… you were sitting out in Wichita and you… you didn’t have these tapes and all of a sudden you were confronted with a preclear and you were told solemnly that this preclear had epiglootis, and you say, „I wonder how you solve epiglootis?“ and you could get to worrying about this. Well, actually you have the methods of solving epiglootis in these handouts and that textbook. Who cares who gave it a name? Who cares? Who cares what the symptoms are? I mean, just frankly that – who cares what the diagnosis is?

PC: No. I was getting the idea of how it works.

And besides, it is against the law to diagnose. There are 25 ills that it’s against the law to cure in California. You could go to prison for years for curing a case of arthritis. That’s right – 25 ills – 25 ills; they’re just outside the realm of action. You didn’t know that? There are several states that have those things.

LRH: Well, there’s nothing hard about it. I mean, as long as you follow the road, it’s… it becomes just ridiculously easy.

You never want to advertize that you cure anything. You can tell people you theta clear somebody or you can tell people that you will process them, and this is simply to make the able more able. If they happen to have epiglootis… this isn’t just covert hostility; this is the actual truth! If they happen to have epiglootis and the epiglootis doesn’t happen to be there when you finish up what you were trying to do, that’s their hard luck. That’s nobody else’s hard luck. That’s their hard luck. That’s right! You’re not Interested in anything, really, but making the relatively able much more able. You’re interested in that and you’re not interested in epiglootis. You’ve got epiglootis – if you don’t believe it, go out and find a case. And how do you handle it? Step One, Step Two, Step – oh, he’s a Step Two. Good. Goal of the body? None. Goal for the thetan? Operating thetan. That’s… that’s a lot different than an ambulant body that doesn’t have epiglootis. That IS a lot different.

Now just exactly where the end of this is, I won’t tell you at this time. I’ll let you find out exactly what happens when you’ve finally got a guy so he can boost his body around.

Somebody comes around to you and says, „Now, do you people believe… do you people believe that uh… anybody should be permitted to operate upon the mind? Hmmm-hmmmm?“ – somebody that looks awfully official or somebody who’s trying to get you to make an incautious statement. Because I don’t believe that and you don’t believe that. And the answer which I give them is perfectly true and perfectly straightforward. I tell them, „Nobody who has not been thoroughly educated in the field of the actual human mind has any business whatsoever doing anything with it at all.“ That’s with thoroughness. Unless they REALLY have been educated in it… unless they REALLY KNOW the human mind, they shouldn’t do anything with it. And that’s the stand we’re stuck with. And they’ll come along on the other side, and they’ll say, „But you train anybody.“ That isn’t true. We don’t train anybody.

Nibs said one of these days he’s going to go down the street with his hands together in front of him like this, see. And go down the street about six feet off the sidewalk at about 15 or 20 miles an hour – hands pressed very reverently before his chin, his feet straight together and a very reverent expression on his face, and scooting down the street like mad.

Liability on training at this time is terribly off. I mean, the liability has lightened up enormously because of the techniques themselves. And when we say an auditor is a theta clear, he’s just going to have to gimp along because of our time span and so forth, while we are here. But you’ll find out that there’s no substitute for it, if you’re an auditor. And there isn’t much time that you have to put in on it in order to accomplish it. If you think you really have to put in a lot of time on it, you’re just not operating in the same reality that we should be operating in.

Now any time this power… this power action that you’re getting there seems to fail – I won’t say you can’t do that, you know, I’m trying to encourage you in this line. Any time this power action seems to be slacking off, or something of this sort, you’ve just done that fact: You’ve just agreed too long with the real universe, so you sit down…

A Step One can actually be pushed up the line to a theta clear in about six or eight hours – all the way up. And if you are taking longer than that, you are just poking around, and that’s all there is to that. You’re just poking. You’re just wasting time some way or another if you take any longer time than that. And that includes the various exercises comprising Step One.

It isn’t that you draw power, you see, out of the uh… mock-ups or anything strange or peculiar like that. It’s just that concentration on the real universe gets a fellow back below a certain point into flows. And he gets back to obedience of flows because he’s finding flows useful. And he gets back – he wants to use them, therefore he gets rather obedient to them.

Now as the cases go on into the deeper steps, it requires more and more time. But how much time is ‘more time’? Well, if you were doing your job well, accurately, and doing Standard Operating Procedure Issue Five, for me to make a precise estimate for each case level would be folly indeed, because it has the two variables: The case itself, which will vary in the length of time in each Step; and the speed with which the auditor’s willing to audit. And these are two variables.

And he gets up above a break point, however, and above this point he doesn’t give a damn. But you have to get him just so high before it really has no further effect upon him.

But believe me. If you spend more than 50 hours on a Five, you ought to have your head examined because I can kick a Five out by running the dichotomy of Responsibility and No Responsibility – in 50 hours. And I’ve done it. Just all the various ways you can say, „Do you want to be responsible?“… „You don’t want to be responsible“… „The beautiful sadness of being responsible“… „The ugliness of being irresponsible“… „The joy of being irresponsible“… „The joy of being responsible“… „The glee of being insane“… „The horribleness of being insane.“ They just go on like this. Run it, run it, run it, run it, run it, run it, run it.

I was going to make a little note there. I was talking to you about a wheel. Sort of an “all roads lead to Rome” thing – all roads lead to Rome. And it’s very pertinent when it comes to lifting or turning on perception.

The guy will wake up sooner or later and he’ll say, „What? What do you mean… do it in front of my body? I can’t reach way down there!“

These things, as you well realize, depend upon force. And force is random effort; and effort is directed force. Now you understand, of course, while I was working this… this preclear, that we were using beams. We were still using flows. When I told you, “Get above the break point,” that’s a very specific point. It’s the point where he simply gets way out away from something and he says, “Jump,” and it of course promptly jumps. He doesn’t use a beam, but he makes it jump with a postulate, instead of taking the intermediate step of throwing beams on it. You see that? It’s but easy. And you drill him up along that line until at last they can make a finger lift. You wouldn’t go over and throw a beam on the finger or anything else. You’d just say, “Lift,” and it lifts. It’s fascinating patterns.

And you say „What’s the matter?“

So, all roads lead to Rome here. And Rome in this case is force. Now force is interpreted by many people to mean rough, mean, ornery, misused material. So, that however… force is merely energy with some direction. And effort is very closely monitored force, that’s all.

„Well, I’m… I’m auditing this stuff up here in the corner of the room.“ And you’ll say, „Now, wait a minute. How’d you get up there?“ „Oh, I’ve been up here for hours, didn’t you know that?“

And I don’t care whether you’re pushing a paintbrush over a canvas or anything of the sort, because there’s a great deal of force there. And you get somebody who is very shy of force, because he gets an aberration because people have used too much force on him, and he has used too much force on others, and what do you get? You get a fellow who won’t use force to push a paintbrush over a piece of canvas.

Now that’s the truth of the matter. So, I know that a technique exists which will do in a Five way back on the track. I mean, way back on our developmental track.

Too much protest, then, along this line is… becomes aberrative. It inhibits an individual’s willingness to handle energy. When an individual is unable to handle energy, is unwilling to handle energy – same thing, unwilling, unable – unwilling to handle energy, the next thing that comes about is he becomes an effect of energy. The use of force is idiocy; it’s just pure idiocy to accomplish everything across the boards. But if you’re going to handle a material object you are actually handling solid energy. A material object is solid energy. It is made of energy; it is therefore composed of force vectors. And you’re unwilling to handle force, and you’re unwilling to handle energy, you will become shy of handling… just automatically become shy of handling material objects – acquiring them, getting rid of them, placing them around or anything of the sort.

So what’s the next? We can then… then rather safely estimate at a guess that if you spent 50 hours on a Five, you sure would have been loafing along the wayside, because you would have gotten there… you would have gotten there if you had just run dichotomies on Responsibility and all the various ways that can be run – because that could be run a lot of ways, see? You could start adding them up.

And, oddly enough, an individual’s perceptions turn off to the degree that he’s unwilling to handle energy. Now isn’t that cute? See, there’s even energy in mock-ups. You put energy in mock-ups – a very light type of energy. It doesn’t bear much resemblance to force.

Oh, yes, yes. I remember something I wanted to talk to you about. I wanted to show you a wheel – a wheel. I’ll give you an hour on that wheel.

So the breakpoint, of course, is up above the level of the use of force. No state really can survive from the moment that it begins to employ broadly and without much direction, force. The use of force as the sole method of accomplishment of an end, ends in death. Because it brings about a dependence upon force, but at the same time there doesn’t seem to be, at this time – and when there is… when there is, we’ll find it, if there ever is – a shortcut on force. The road out is the road through.

All right, in other words, the uh… point we’re making here is that you are wasting time, then, if you’re going above 50 hours on a Five, at a guess or an estimate. So how much time does it take for an auditor to get in good shape? How much time does it take for an auditor to get up to operating thetan?

When you’re below that level, unwilling to handle force, you could become subjected to force. And as you come up the line you will find it easier to handle things in terms of energy. And handling things in terms of energy then brings you about 19 times up the tone scale. This is the fastest way I know to increase tone, you see. Increase perception. You notice…

Well, let’s say each one of you could afford 100 hours of auditing. That is relatively, maybe, five times as many as you should have if you are being well audited. Let’s put the factor of five in there. And uh… just throw that in there and say it’s 100 hours. Could you afford to spend 100 hours as an auditor on the couch? Boy, I’m sure afraid you could. Well, you could dig up 100 hours some place. You could put in three nights a week at a couple of hours a session. Well, what would happen if you put in three nights a week at two hours a session? That adds up to six hours a week, doesn’t it? How long does that take to get to 100 hours? 6 and 2/3, is that right? Six and two thirds weeks – sixteen. I have to figure in arithmetic. I have an awful time with MEST arithmetic – just horrible, just terrible. Sixteen weeks. Okay? That’s very interesting. I have to completely change reality to get a MEST arithmetical thing.

How were you feeling there about halfway? All right?

You see, MEST arithmetic doesn’t happen to be real – I mean, happen to be actual. It’s real. Fascinating.

PC: Yeah.

You know if you put up a whole flock of apples, if you put up 100 apples and then you divide the apples by ten apples, you theoretically get ten piles of ten apples, don’t you? Pile 100 apples and divide it by ten and you get ten apples. You can’t do that. Why, you… my whole beingness revolts against saying, „Ten into 100 apples gives you ten.“ Boy, that’s really down tone scale! It’s really diggin’ it!

LRH: Yeah. All right.

All right, regardless of that. Let’s take a look, then, at how many amours of auditing you as an auditor oughta have. If you were to put in, let’s say theoretically that figure was 16, if you were to put in 16 weeks ~t a couple hours a night, three nights a week, it… it… it wouldn’t cost you a great deal of time. If you were interchanging this auditing with another auditor who was about your level of action, why you ought to be up there at operating thetan if you audited and co-audited with him, you would be putting in, then, 12 hours per week of auditing! You auditing six and being audited six.

PC: I noticed quite a difference.

And now the best way to do this, however, is to have a triangular team – not to have a two-team. Because they just ‘flow’ at one another. Uh… let’s have three and let’s have point A audit point B audits point C audits point A, and then their cases are all disrelated. And that… that’s easily a much more workable arrangement.

LRH: You keep bringing a guy up the tone scale, bringing him up the tone scale. Sometimes in his… you’ll notice his tone change. He’ll start to demonstrate some new strata on the tone scale and so forth. Just feed him some mock-ups on it if he looks kind of angry or something of the sort. So you say, “Oh, good. Let’s make him do something destructive. Let’s make him hold on to something, let go – in a mock-up.” And that shifts his tone again. He could be jammed somewhere on the tone scale in the use of force.

But we go on from that and we find out, then, that you’re stable enough so that you shouldn’t require, after that, vast quantities of auditing. You can go in and tackle a preclear and you have your own energy level up to a point where you wouldn’t have to apply yourself to swamping yourself up. In other words, you’re not doing the trick of crawling up three inches and failing back two, and so on. Maybe you are during those 16 weeks.

All right uh… we don’t have to do that – I mean, it’ll work out automatically.

And let’s just kind of lay that down and wonder if we could spend that much time on a case – that’s yourself. Now the lower a person goes on the steps, the less time he’ll spend on his own case, until he starts to get down to the bottom and then he’ll run himself automatically – that’s automaticity – that’s final level.

So… so unfortunately force is the barrier, the sinister barrier. And the trick is to get up above the level where you accomplish things without the use of force or what we commonly call ‘energy’ or ‘flows’. And in order to get to that point where you can handle things made out of energy without handling, then, with your manufactured energy, you of course are above the breakpoint. And that’s the point… well above that point is the Operating Thetan. He hangs up as long as he depends on flows.

Well all right. Let’s suppose now you’re out in the sticks – I… I… I… hope none of you have to go that deep into the mire and jungle as that unmentionable place I just mentioned. But let’s say you… let’s say you get to Bingamton, New York, and the nearest auditor who is a professional auditor is Bungumton, Vermont. Well, you can’t audit by mail very well. Now auditors will ask you this question, and so I’ll answer it for you: Can you audit yourself up to theta clear? Well, I don’t know how long it would take you. I… I really don’t know how long it would take you. And I don’t know how fouled up you would get or how flat you’d spin or anything, but it could be done with just using Standard Operating Procedure Issue Five.

So we see this thing called force here. Let’s see how many things go through force; and here we have the first and foremost that interests us: irresponsibility, is first manifested by an abandonment of force. “I am to blame” is an abandonment of force. It means, “I used force for the wrong thing and therefore I’m to blame. And I’m bad cause and we don’t want to be bad cause so we’re gonna abandon that,” and the next thing you know the fellow’s very irresponsible.

You’ll find yourself lower on the tone scale when you’re self- auditing… I mean lower on the tone scale of steps, than another auditor would find you, because you’ve got to set up a circuit to audit a circuit and then audit both of those as a thetan and do some other complicated things in order to do this. But if you were to sit down and do this, theoretically you could then, attain theta clear in God knows how many hours – I don’t know. Two hundred? Five hundred hours of self-auditing. Because the liability of self-auditing has disappeared. You start self-auditing, you’re starting to agree with the MEST universe like mad, and you’ll get mixed up in flows. And the second you get mixed up in flows, you can go on forever, and I do not believe it is is possible for a person… I have no evidence – no evidence of any character that tells me that it is possible for an auditor to self-audit himself or for an individual to self-audit or self-process himself up scale – no evidence to this effect – on old techniques. On techniques which existed up to three months ago. No evidence.

‘Cause what’s responsibility, when it comes down to that? It’s willingness to own or act of use or be – and lower on the tone scale all those things have to go through the band called ‘force’. That you could also call ‘Effort band’ of the tone scale. A person gets below that effort band, no matter… they can still think and still act and so forth, but they are not willing to handle material objects and they become irresponsible for ‘em, things around them start to become rather enMESTy.

But I had every evidence to believe that one who audited himself on these flows and techniques of various conditions and running engrams – particularly running engrams – would become slightly relieved about the area around him, but his compulsion to audit himself would increase and increase and increase and finally go out of… almost out of control. And I have lots of evidence in that direction that that took place and no evidence that anything took place beneficially beyond deintensification of the effect of the environment upon the individual, with the consequence that if it were maintained too long, a person would sort of fix himself on that rat race on and on and on and on.

And so we go through force and we get responsibility. And over here an individual who is having a serious time with causation, and is responding to any kind of a flow. You see, these fellows have got everything packed in – Step Four – the kind we’re trying to resolve with Step Four? They’re… they’re just so subject to flows that what they get they can’t get rid of; what they have gotten rid of, they can’t get. They’re obeying flows, and so they’re in effect.

And if you find somebody auditing himself on old techniques, audit him on new techniques and he will stop auditing himself. That’s all the solution we have about self-auditing, and that’s because it’s all we need. A person stops self-auditing when you run Standard Operating Procedure Issue Five on him. That’s… that’s all there is to that. We won’t care if he’s self-auditing; we’re not even vaguely interested whether he is or not. It’s where we find him on the steps and there… where we spring him and what we do for him. That’s all.

And we have this up here through force, and out of force, and we get cause. Cause, responsibility, actually are not on a parity; cause is, if anything, higher than responsibility. I’m just drawing this in any old way here.

So, our answer, then, on anything up to three months ago – and as far as you’re concerned, up to these lectures because none of this material was at large – that self-auditing was impossible, underscore, exclamation point. Unless you just took SELF ANALYSIS, old American edition, and used it or did HANDBOOK FOR PRECLEARS, self, and did it routine and then you could get an improvement because it’s relatively light auditing – it’s locks and so forth. I don’t think you could even keep that up too long all by yourself without any… this and that. I don’t think you could keep that up 200 hours without uh… getting into the other rat race. You start to obey flows, or something of the sort. It would be very bad.

Now because knowledge and data is contained on energy and is as forceful on an individual as the individual is unwilling to face facsimiles, then data becomes composed of force. Facsimiles, pictures, pictures of force. If he can’t handle force, he can’t handle the pictures. If he can’t handle the pictures, he can’t handle data. And if he can’t handle data, he gets into that state known as ‘unknowing’. And there’s nothing worser than the ‘unknown’, if you’ve postulated there’s something you ought to know and you can’t – and it’s contained in a facsimile, that is to say, a memory of some sort. so you get ‘I know not’ here and that goes where? That goes right straight into force. And coming out of force, gets what?

All right, then what’s the answer to this then? Why are we all of a sudden able to say it may be possible for a person to audit himself? Well, that’s because Standard Operating Procedure Issue Five opposes and disagrees with flows. So you don’t start up the horrors of obeying energy and flows. And it’s theoretically and untestedly possible to audit oneself to operating thetan – theoretically possible. Those tests which I have seen so far were in the direction of alleviating one’s condition, and improving one’s general health and ability. Doing mock-ups all by itself, by oneself, is tremendously improving.

Voice: “I know.”

If a fellow were to have an automobile accident and find himself sitting there with his… all over with bruises and he were to audit out the engram of the automobile accident, he might get away with it – he MIGHT. If he were to audit the flows and effort of the automobile on himself, my evidence is very straight that he would start himself down and would be a little worse off than otherwise. If he audited it just as an engram, you see – different. But I mean, if he started using high-powered stuff like 8-80… oohh! Not good. He’d chop into that one and then he’d go into an earlier one and he’d find a past death and he’d be handling energy as itself and the flows would start up and he’s in a weakened condition. But he could sit there and do mock-ups for maybe as little as 10 or 15 minutes and find himself in a remarkably improved condition and probably with the engram flipped out. Just do mock-ups.

LRH: I know. Interesting, isn’t it?

Or, he could do a Spacation – just sit down and do a Spacation. Just bang-bang-bang – not pay any attention to the automobile accident. Find a spot; exaggerate its motion and minimize its motion until it’s suddenly stopped. Hold it. Then, handle it; hold it; do two-dimensional space. Then take the two-dimensional space and make it resistive, unresistive. Get that solid and go right straight on through doing the rest of the exercises contained in Spacation. If he just did those by rote: One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six – did a Spacation, he probably wouldn’t have an automobile engram sitting on top of him. He probably would be in most remarkably good condition.

Now, of course, an individual becomes as individual as he is high on the tone scale. And he is as individual as he can act by his own self – determinism; and he is only as individual as he can act by his own self – determinism. But if he can be made into an effect, if he can be made into an object, if he can be solidified somehow or other in space and given a label, he is identified. And being identified, of course, he becomes an object. And an object is an individual, and that of course is the state called ‘I am not’ and ‘I am not’ led through force comes up here to, of course, ‘I am’. Very simple…

Or if he just did a mock-up series and he just says uh, „All right, now let’s see, uh… That was a Packard car. All right, let’s take a Packard car and let’s paint it red and put dolls in it and run it down an incline, or have it run up this other hill.“

Now because every MEST object is interested in identification and is not Interested in differentiation every one of these objects – why of course – you get the ability to be everyone is on the upper side of this wheel; and being in sort of everybody’s valence is on the bottom side of the wheel. So we get the fact he’s really nobody. The best identified person, the most amental person is a nobody. Really, that’s true.

The first time he’d start this… and now let’s put the mock-up behind him; and now let’s turn the car green. Now let’s turn it around and make it run wrong way to up the hill. Now let’s put it down under the feet. Now let’s have another car come down the other incline and – let’s see – have these two cars start to approach each other and then turn off and go the other way. Now let’s have them start to approach each other and crash. Anyway he wanted to put this together as mock-ups, as long as he was adequately handling cars, he would clip the engram, the trap being that he could trap himself into suddenly getting terribly interested in agreeing with the MEST universe. And that’s the only liability of self-auditing. The only liability of self-auditing is that the pressure of the flows and somatics cause one to do what one automaticity starts to do, and that’s to agree with the MEST universe. And one will be running flows when he ought to be running mock-ups. And that is considerably difficult for a person to overcome. But if he overcomes that, there is no reason why he couldn’t audit himself right straight up the line to an operating thetan, really.

So we get that ‘nobody-everybody’.

God knows how long it would take him, how many times he would falter, how many mistakes he would make, how many times he would get upset and feel like he was about to die as a result of not having finished a session. All of those things regardless, we have a possibility sitting there.

Now let’s look around on the tone scale again and what other ones do we find? We find down at the bottom of the scale ‘Succumb’ and that comes up through and becomes of course ‘Survive’. Now how does that do that? Well, that’s because when an object is interested in survival, it is not aware of the fact it is immortal. And if it is not aware of the fact it’s immortal, it is because it obeys what? Force. And if it obeys force or obeys force laws it naturally can be made to succumb. By what? Force. And so force has this corrosive effect upon the individuality which brings it down at last into the individual identity, so-called. And it finally corrodes in and you get that.

All right, now. Let’s take another one: He’s in an automobile accident, he’s sitting alongside the roadside and they’re waiting for the ambulance or something of the sort. And what’s he start to do? He starts to balance flows – Give and Take Processing on automobiles. He takes all the automobiles he ever owned or ever had and stacks ‘em in himself and makes them run away from him. Or he parks them around all the way outside of him and makes them run into him. Oh, he’d feel horrible doing that for a very short time. Theoretically, he would be out of the engram in a very short space of time. And this applies not just to an assist, it applies also to what an auditor ought to do for a preclear. And it applies also to the proper method of uh… going up the line, because it says ‘Don’t let your preclear agree with the MEST universe’. It says, ‘Keep him disagreeing’.

Now from this you could assume that force had something to do with time, couldn’t you? And of course that’s true. Force does have a lot to do with time and… and has also – force as they overlook most often, has a lot to do with space and when you have force and space, or energy and space, you get an object and naturally you have Have, which comes up here on the tone scale. We’ve got Have coming up here now and Have comes up along the line, and of course force is energy and it goes up through energy and comes up here to what naturally would be… all through force again.

All right, now… now here’s… here’s little tricks that a person can use. A person starts… he’s thinking obsessively. He starts thinking obsessively on something, see? And he’s thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking – what he’s going to say to this, what he’s going to do to that, where’s he going to go? What’s he going to do? What…? Thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking… running the whole thing off before something or other occurs and… Oh, no! How does he cure that? He makes himself reduce it and increase it, and reduce it and increase it, and stop it and start it and stop it. He puts it on somebody’s hat and flits it. That’s right, and he won’t think obsessively after that. How do you handle that on a preclear?

Now an object can’t perceive. It can have perceptions engraved on it, but it can’t ‘look’, and so we get, down at the bottom here, of course, ‘No Perception’ and up at the top we get ‘All Perception’ – just to that degree.

A preclear comes in and says, „I get these gruesome ideas of this… these horrible idols and they keep coming in and their jaws clank and they’re about to eat me all up, and besides I’m covered with grasshoppers all the time!“

So we get thinking here being done in terms of energy where the force level is. Down here we get it done in terms of ‘for you’. And midway between those two points it is done in terms of looking at old facsimiles. Just above energy at force here, we have the thing operating on a more or less of a postulate basis sort of thing, and we get memory.

Would you go ahead and handle idols and grasshoppers? That’s hallucination. You’re not interested in hallucination. You’re interested in mock-ups. What would you do about this? He’s thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking – and he can’t stop. He’s seeing, seeing, seeing, seeing – and he can’t stop. You just don’t pick up an idol and have him run around.

So up here above force, of course, is the gradient scale of facsimiles, and here is remembering more or less by flows or pervasion by flows. And up here he is just simply… good memory.

You increase doing what he’s doing – you want a fast one? This is the fast way to do it: You increase him doing that, and you make him have more and more idols, and more and more horrible bugs crawling on him, and get ‘em bigger and bigger, and then turn ‘em different colors and get ‘em bigger and bigger and more and more of ‘em. And then you have just a few less. Now you have more and more of ‘em; now a few less, now a few less; now more and more and more; now a few…

And this again goes through what? Over here – up here. That’s a wheel.

He says, „To hell with it!“ I mean, it’s that fast.

There are a lot of other things on that wheel, but the main thing that’s on that wheel is what I will draw now which is this big curve over here on the right side, and this big curve is Cycle of Action. It starts up here with Be, goes through energy and ends with an object, or starts with Stop… starts up there and ends with Stop, has Change in the middle so force brings about change. When force is employed it always brings about change of one sort or another, which inevitably ends in a static.

So when I say don’t treat this just as a mock-up – just don’t run mock-ups on these things he’s talking about, there’s a specific way to do it. Do it by a cycle of action. Yes, use the idols and use the grasshoppers if you want to. Turn them a different color. Tie bows on ‘em. Turn ‘em around. Ship them the other way. Put ‘em in coffins. Turn ‘em into dead men. Put ‘em behind his back and so forth. If you want to, put them behind his back – okay.

There actually is a picture of your wheel that has to do with all the things, more or less, that we have been talking about as we went through this whole course – this picture.

But there’s this one, is „Just think about ‘em. Now think HARD about ‘em. Now think worse and worse and worse and worse about ‘em. Now think just a little bit less. Now think much more. Now think a little bit ‘less. Now think a little bit less. Now… now let’s think REAL HARD about them.“ He says, „To hell with it!“ It is actually faster when handling an obsession.

Now, there are two ways those arrows can fly. I instinctively put them in that direction. You can take these same factors and put ‘em in the other direction. When you put ‘em in the other direction you get the MEST universe. When you put ‘em in this direction you get freedom.

Now the fellow finds himself unable to think about something. He just can’t BEAR to think about it. Just make him ‘Can’t bear’ harder. „Well, let’s not think about this“ you say. „Let’s really shut this thing down.“

Those things which people instinctively resist, really, will eventually wind them up being an object – an identity. And fighting force or using force as a sole means is no good. But because that road leads through force, leads through energy, you make sure that your natural instinct to avoid it does not persuade you as a preclear to inhibit the efforts of your auditor just out of the chatter to rationalize about force. He’s not trying to make you into a single force object or something that uses only force. There isn’t any ethic on a force level. It’s almost shot.

The guy can’t remember something. The MEST universe runs in reverse. So you say to him, „Well, let’s shut this down and let’s not… now let’s not… let’s put on all the force you can to thinking about not thinking about keys“ – the guy habitually forgets keys. All right, „Let’s not think about keys. Now, let’s not think about them a little harder. Now let’s not think about them a little less. Now let’s keep those keys away a little harder. Now let’s keep ‘em away a little less.“

And as an auditor, boy, DON’T YOU EVER LET YOUR OWN WILLINGNESS TO AVOID FORCE INHIBIT YOUR RESTORING TO AN INDIVIDUAL HIS RIGHT TO BE FREE. There is the picture, and the stable point that we’re gonna mark up here with a great big ‘S’ is in this area. On that big ‘S’ is an Operating Thetan; and there you’ve got it.

All of a sudden he’ll say, „Wait a minute. I’ve got these keys flying past my ears here like mad. What am I going to do with all these keys?“

Now, someday somebody’s going to pick up a wheel like that and they’re going to say, “This was a mystic symbol which was used” – they find this old universe floating around and you just explode a few pieces of it or something of this sort, and uh… it’s still got pieces floating around in little chunks of space that sort of drift around. And you’ll… probably somebody is still trying to argue with somebody else that we ought to go back and remove these navigational menaces, in case anybody started thinking in terms of ‘You use force in order to create objects, which you then rule, and the best way to do it is to create objects out of live, living, thinking beings’. And anybody starts on that line, why, he is in bad shape. But somebody will be explaining why somebody might get going again on this thing.

And you say, „Well, all right. Make ‘em flow faster. Now slow it down. Take one key out every once in a while as they go by. You got that? Oh, they’ve slowed down? You say they’ve quit? All right, now what else is worrying you?“

On anything, when you see the vector go down anywhere on these wheels, when you see that vector go down – rocks and shoals. On this lower portion, from force down, when you see that vector turn around, you’re going to wind up with Succumb, Effect, Irresponsibility, Have Not, I Am Not, I Know Not. When you turn the vector around and start to use force on the preclear, he winds up at Succumb, I Am Not and so forth. Of course, it’s a little bit different using force on him than simply using a postulate on him. You say, “All right, let’s go through this and let’s be still about this whole thing. All right, let’s take it easy now.” You’re not using force; you’re appealing to his reason. He knows you’re not going to take a gun to him.

I mean, it’s really a very fast way to do it on a cycle of action. This is also the way you handle thought. The guy comes in and he says, „I think all the time about…“ something. That’s worrying him. He has this piano music going through his head all the time. He has the ringing in his ear all the time. He has something or other all the time. Well, you can do mock-ups and train him around, particularly if you want to clip something else off his case. You figure out, well there’s probably a lot on this case. You could do something else and ignore what he’s talking about for a while. And then, to really impress him, leave it till last, when you do something for him. And then you’ll get a lot of other things off the case that should be gotten off the case that didn’t have anything to do with what he’s talking about.

But at first he’s only quivering because he’s afraid you will take a gun to him – so much force has been employed against him.

So, what do we do? We make him think faster and faster and then think slower and slower and then think faster and faster and faster, and then a little bit slower, and then a little bit faster and faster and then a little bit slower – and then all of a sudden, stop it. He’s trying to finish a cycle of action. You have.; in any organism, in any action in the MEST universe, the most persistent and constant effort is to complete a cycle of action. You can think about these things in this line. I… I might not have mentioned it too much in this frame of reference, but I know I mentioned it. I was talking about cycles of action. You think about this in this framework, that anything the preclear can’t do is stopped on a cycle of action that is close to the end of Stop.

And the road out there is the road through energy. And I marked ‘force’ up here, not because we ought to call it force, but simply to point up that a force is a railroad tie across the track, and one which must be removed from the track of the preclear, because it’s a dividing line.

I’ll show you this: Here’s a cycle of action he can’t do. And this is, of course, Start for any cycle, Change for any cycle, Stop for any cycle. All right, he can’t do. Where’s that going to be located? He can’t do! So it’s a cinch that he, at one time, has tried to do, because what he’s saying when he says, „I can’t do so-and-so,“ he’s telling you immediately, „I’m trying to do so-and-so,“ because he wouldn’t be interested in a ‘can’t’ unless he was trying to do – you understand that? If he comes around and he’s worried about… he runs this buzz-saw all the time and he can’t bring himself to reach for the switch and turn it off. He’s trying to reach for the switch and turn something off. And somewhere on the time track, somewhere, Lord knows where in the past or anything like that, where there’s an incident where he didn’t reach the switch. And he finds himself now with… he can’t reach the switch. He’s trying to figure out a cycle of action.

Now, somebody else could look at that graph, by the way, and he could say, “Now you see, what you do is you’re all those lower things and to get better you start using force. And if you use force that brings you up into a beautiful state of ‘I am’ and ‘Be’ and all that, and therefore the best way to do this is to use force on everybody and accomplish it all by force.” Heil Hitler!

The runner who is trying to win obsessively – he must run races, he must win – is running a cycle of action on some race where he didn’t get to finish the race, that’s all. Simple, huh?

And then, as I said in the book, I heard a rumor lately that Adolf Hitler was dead.

So, he can’t do something, means he’s trying. And so he’s put over here somewhere on this level of action. And he could be right here before Stop, or he could be actually over here trying to Start. But, is he at the beginning of the cycle? No, he’s not. He’s already started. And you could call the history of any organism, or the history of any thought, or the history of any action the effort or ambition or intention to complete a cycle of action. Everything’s trying to complete a cycle ‘of action and when it becomes aberrated they’re hung up on some point in the cycle of action, and that cycle of action, of course, is…

Because the ruse – you’ve got to… you’ve got to be able to handle it and willing to handle it, and willing to buck through it and willing to employ it and find out what it will do. And this is a major point: How do you get a preclear to handle something that falls in the ‘can’t’ category on the machine? You make mock-ups of it and he can handle it. You can use… actually make mock-ups of force till you can handle it.

The thought just occurs to me, there’s so many of these cycles of action, there must be a common denominator we don’t even know about. There must be some common denominator cycle of action.

But control and handling of anything which is the thing which bars the road, is the modus operandi out. It isn’t, at this moment at least, a rocket ride over all of the obstacles. You pick ‘em up and you throw ‘em off the track. Only you don’t – but the preclear does. You just tell him to, and he’ll make it.

Anyway, uh… I just thought of it, uh… the point is that he’s trying and so you’re going to pick him up someplace and you don’t care where he is on that cycle of action. You just run a cycle of action and he’ll come off of it. You just start running cycles of action; you increase and decrease and start and stop and you’ll pick him up anyplace he is on any cycle of action.

Fear of force will keep him depressed. Actually, when a person is able to throw his body around, his fear of force lessens very markedly, and his fear lessens very markedly. Let us ask him, just off-hand.

So just by increasing and decreasing, starting and stopping anything, this guy will complete, eventually, all the cycles of action he has ever tried to engage upon in the MEST universe.

(to pc) “You feel any attitude shift?” You don’t have to. Do you feel any attitude shift? I mean, as a result of this… of this lifting we were doing?

Now the trick of the MEST universe is that it won’t let anybody finish a cycle of action, because its vectors are 180 degrees in reverse. So, what’s basically wrong with the case is that he can’t finish a cycle of action and he’s trying to finish a cycle of action. That’s about all there is to it – simple, huh?

PC: I don’t recognize any…

So, you just keep that one in mind in treating minor things. This is a good showmanship technique. Very good showmanship – put it on a postulate level.

LRH: You don’t feel an attitude shift. Did it make you feel any better about anything?

The guy says, „You know, I think about the future all the time and I kind of see that the future is…“ and so on. You… you ask him, „Do you see the future?“ „Yeah.“ „Well, where do you see the future?“

PC: Yeah.

„Well, as a matter of fact, it’s just ahead of my nose. Well, I don’t know,“ he says, „that’s impossible, isn’t it? But it is. As a matter of fact, when I see the future, I’m looking just ahead of my nose.“ And he says, „The future is definitely black and bleak and terrible and it’s not under my control, even vaguely.“

LRH: Did it give you any hope?

The effort to ‘will have’… ‘I hope to have’… ‘I’m going to have’ has been disappointed sufficient times so he fills in an area and calls it ‘the future’, and of course it gets solid because his ambition is to have OBJECTS in the future. So he keeps adding energy into the future in hopes of getting energy in the future, until the future becomes a solid object or a mass of energy or a ridge somewhere in the vicinity of his head. This is just showmanship techniques; you’d run into these various things.

PC: Yeah, it uh… it showed me that I’d been out for quite a little while and didn’t realize it.

And what do you do about this? Well, you turn it blue, of course. And then you turn it red, and then you turn it green and then you turn it orange and then you turn it yellow, and then you make it little bit longer. You’re just handling a ridge, see? All right, now make it a little bit shorter, and then you make it a little bit redder. and you say, „Where did you say that was, in the beginning of your nose? Well, let’s shift it up just there so you can get a better look at it there. Let’s get it up just above the level of the eyes. That’s good. Now turn it redder; now turn it bluer, now turn… By the way, just to make sure we get both ends of this, let’s put it around to the back of a head and uh… fix it up. Okay, you got it there now? All right, we… now we can run it better there. Now, make it get redder, now darker, now make it sort of jumpy like that. Now make it go smooth, like that. Oh, you can do that? That’s fine. Well, now get it down here in your hand, so you can watch it a little bit better. You got it there? All right. Now let’s make… What are you doing with your future in your hand?“ That’s… that’s all.

LRH: Yeah?

Now what do you do with him? You just change his position on the cycle of action grossly. One by one you can knock out and let him finish any cycle of action there is on the track. But of course, the finish of every cycle of action on the track is nonexistence on this track. So what are you trying to do? The preclear goes ‘poof!’ That’s right.

PC: Yeah.

Well, so, when you’re confronted with a terrible problem, you’ve always got this one to fall back on. If you can’t think of anything else, as I told you much earlier, get the effort to have it and the effort not to have it, and get the effort to have it and the effort not to have it, and he has half the bellyache he had before.

LRH: How do you mean that?

Or, you say, „All right, now, get that bellyache. Well, there’s no reason for you to stand up so close to it. Mock-up something out there and get its bellyache.“ If he can’t do that, „Well, just put where it’s bellyache would be and let’s…“ I mean, you’re already on your way. He’s put that bellyache out here in front of him.

PC: Well, one summer while we were processing, the first thing we used to do is put each other against a wall and then run a… you know run through the… through that, when you get there that “What to Audit” – it said that the best place was outside, so we decided to do that. So uh… after a while uh… at first I used to walk wrapped all around the body and then after I’d been processed a little more I decided I didn’t have to wrap around the body, just be around it.

If you just run it out here a little while, no matter how bad that bellyache is, it is eventually going to be out there. And it’s going to be out there, it’s going to be over here some place and he’s going to put his stomachache up here. And actually a fellow will sit there and run a stomachache down below his feet and behind his head and… and so forth.

LRH: Umm-hmm.

And you don’t have to ask him, as I asked that pilot that night – an awful shock! „What are you doing with an earring on top of your head?“ I mean, that’s just too good to miss. That’s just randomity for my sake. That has nothing to do with processing. As a matter of fact, it injures the process just a little bit. But it’s fun. It didn’t do him any harm.

PC: Um-hmm. And then it slipped, you know. I didn’t realize it. And now suddenly it all came back.

Uh… so, wherever he is on this cycle of action, he’s still trying.

Umm-hmm. How would you feel if you could pick your body up by the scruff of the neck, about a foot in the air?

Now of course, if he’s got to, what’s got to? If he can’t do… all right, he’s got to. He’s trying. This… this simply means he can’t, obviously. So we have Start, for any; Change, for any; Stop, for any. That’s ‘for any’ – ‘any’ here is Cycle, of course. He’s got to and he can’t.

LRH: You don’t, huh?

Well, what’s the score here? Compulsion – compulsion. He has a cycle of action operating on him, and this is a circuit really – this is a compulsive circuit working – and he’s got a cycle of action operating on him which is trying to start him. He’s over here a little bit along the way on Start. And if he’s got to go into action, he’s on a compulsive cycle of action, but the truth of the matter is that he’s more likely to be with this one right here; he’s much more likely to be because it’s closer to apathy, you see. He’s much more likely to be at position ‘A’ here than down in this other cycle, position ‘B’ here – just more likely to be, not necessarily is.

PC: No.

‘He’s got to’ means an impulse in an effort to increase. But at the same time, ‘he’s got to’ can be over here. Why is that? Because of flows run both ways! So compulsion is the same as an inhibition as far as your handling is concerned on a cycle of action. You don’t care, then, where the cycle of action is. All you’ve got to do is increase and decrease whatever he’s trying to do, change what he’s trying to do, stop what he’s trying to do, start what he’s trying to do, or increase, decrease, change, stop and start what he can’t do.

LRH: Oh, no.’ Good.’

So, enforcement and, up here, inhibition – same breed of cat. Well, where does this apply on what case on what tone scale? I showed you the… the small cycle inside the big cycle, didn’t I? So we could have this thing operating anyplace on the tone scale for any action, because actually the theory of a cycle of action is the theory that if you start, stop, increase, decrease anything that’s occurring or can’t occur – let’s make it ‘can’t occur’ more. Let’s really stop it. He’s over here at ‘A’ – something like that – flagrantly at ‘A’. He’s stopped – just before he got to the real stuff. He never finished it.

All right, now in this second half hour let’s go – or what little is left – let me go right straight through into, when I say beams. He’s using a beam there. I want… anybody around here ever look inside his head and see the front of his forehead? Who’s looked around and seen the front of his forehead? Hmm?

Where will you find the guy parked on the whole track? You’ll quite normally find him deceased at the end of a spiral, so grandly and with such wild abandon, deceased that he couldn’t finish the spiral. Many deaths can occupy one spiral, you see? One piece of livingness – but all of a sudden he was going to live a spiral this time that was maybe as much as two hundred, three hundred thousand years ago. Nobody determined this. It was just his potentiality as you see in the ratio of energy use… change. He was going to run this spiral that long and he lived for eight thousand years and then one day ran into the most horrendous ‘poof’ that ever puffed, and it stopped the spiral. Where will you find him? RIGHT THERE. You’ll find him at point ‘E’. He’s still trying to finish a spiral of action which… the havingness of which marks it on an E-Meter as eight million years ago. He stopped on a cycle.

Voice: …

So when you say a person is stuck on a time track, he is stuck on a cycle of action, and a cycle of action goes from… from no space to all object. So of course he’s stuck on the track. And when we say ‘stuck on the track’ that means he’s… he’s got too much energy in one lump about something that he has nothing further to do with, and that energy may be representing something, which is symbolism, or it may be the actual energy he was working with at the time. And there he is on the track, in that fashion.

LRH: You’ve seen the front of your forehead? You’ve been out, though.

Okay. What’s stuck on the time track then? Now you can get this – the effort to have it and not to have it. That’s peculiarly workable. Or you can spring somebody with just Responsibility or No Responsibility. But this is a better way to do it.

Voice: Yeah.

If you have to address the actual injury, if this automaticity is such that he thinks he’s doing mock-ups and he isn’t, you’ll probably go along for quite some time with mock-ups – until all of a sudden you ran Into this thing called a ‘cycle of action’ in processing. And you increase, decrease, change, start, stop – anything that he can’t do, make him ‘can’t-er’, and he can do, make him ‘can-er’; that is being done to him, make it ‘do-able’ harder. In other words, overplay it, get it up that increase curve. But ‘can’t’ is way over, usually, past change. So to get it upscale, you just change it. Got it?

LRH: Okay. Who’s seen the front of his forehead and hasn’t been out? Take a look right now: Can you see the front of your forehead? Can you… I’m not talking about this side. I’m talking about this side – the back side – the inside. Can you see the inside of your forehead? Have you been out?

Well, that’s the length and breadth of it. Now I’m just giving you that as a… as a note here, relatively interjected. And now I’m going to ask for Step One. As I say, Step One consists of telling somebody to be two feet back of their head, and then getting them – a few mock-ups until they’re fairly well oriented and they can more or less perceive where they are and what they’re doing with a little certainty. And then you get them to lift pieces of the body and nothing to that.

PC: No. I’m not sure.

And when all of a sudden they say, „What do you know? I can handle this body from outside!“ That’s all you’re interested in convincing them.

LRH: All right, sit down – sit down. This is Step Two.

Okay, who’s the One? Are you the One? Have you ever been out?

All right, let’s just take a look at the inside of your forehead there. Got it?

Voice: I’ve been out…

PC: Not very much reality on it…

LRH: But?

LRH: That’s all right. Well, you’d rather look at it? Well, I’ll tell you what you do? Let’s mock up right there on the inside of your forehead a dragon.

Voice: But the visio is… I wouldn’t say I can pick out objects, but I certainly have pretty decent mock-ups.

PC: Okay.

Voice:… at one point – I was being audited and I was told to put the mock-up behind my head and I had to pop in to find out where the head was.

LRH: Now, get him licking his chops…

LRH: Maybe we’ll catch you later on this cycle. Who’s got fair visio outside? Have you got fair? Who’s got pretty good visio outside? Let’s really boot somebody up the tone scale. Who’s got good visio outside? Who would say he had pretty fair visio? What’s the matter? Somebody scared? You mean Washburn?

PC: Okay.

Voice: Try me.

LRH: Now make him get some uh… very effeminate mannerisms as he licks his chops.

LRH: Hmm?

PC: Okay.

Voice: Try me.

LRH: Now get him getting very lady-like about licking his chops.

LRH: All right, all right. All right.

PC: Okay.

Okay, you want to uh… I’m going to move this machine down and put it in front of the pc.

LRH: Now get him turning pink.

Okay. Sit down. Sit down. Make yourself comfortable there. You’ll notice I’m not doing an assessment again. Now the reason I’m not doing assessment is just pure cussedness on my part because this is just a demonstration.

PC: Urn-hum.

Actually, I know this man’s psychometry uh… his electrometry. Uh… mind if I mention it?

LRH: Now get the difference he conceives between himself and other dragons.

Voice: No, go ahead.

PC: Okay.

LRH: No? All right. This is really too good. I ought to read this to you later. I could actually send him out of the room and tell you what you will find on the machine, and then afterwards… How could I do this? Well, I’ll tell you: It’s just gauging physiology, that’s all. It’s just looking at the physiology of the human being.

LRH: All right, now let’s take him and hang him out there about, or maybe a foot to the right. Turn him blue and hang him about a foot over to the right there.

But that isn’t fair to say that the physiology of the human being is gaugeable and that that is the test, because the truth of the matter is the engram he is sitting in, is sitting right straight in front of his face and it’s about as visible as it gets. All you have to do is shift wave length, get his wave length, and take a look at it. Just walk in around behind it, take a look at this motion picture that he won’t let finish. He’s stuck at scene two. There’s one entity on the thing which is in pawn. Got a body in pawn, and it interferes with you as a circuit.

PC: Okay.

Did you ever have any…? What do you… how do you… how do you feel about arrests?

LRH: Got him out there?

PC: About what kind of arrest?

PC: Um-hum.

LRH: Being arrested?

LRH: Well, let’s turn him upside down and hang him his tail on a nail.

PC: Oh, I don’t like it!

PC: Okay.

LRH: You don’t like it.

LRH: Okay, got him there?

LRH: You’ve got lots of company? Now do you ever have the feeling of… of uh… has anybody ever tried to force food on you? Tell you you had to eat? How do you feel about that – have to eat?

PC: Umm-hmm.

PC: I think that – yes.

LRH: Okay, now right inside the forehead there, let’s put a great big mousetrap. Got it?

LRH: You feel bad about that?

PC: I’m not sure where it’s located.

PC: No – I think I had food forced on me at one time or another.

LRH: Not sure where it’s located? Well, just plaster it on the inside of the forehead. Stand it up on edge and make it scowl at you, that’s probably better…

LRH: You got that feeling?

PC: No luck.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You don’t like that mousetrap? Well, put it way out on the other side of the room out there.

LRH: What kind of feeling does it make – do you feel?

PC: Okay.

PC: Well, full…

LRH: Now put one just this side of it.

LRH: Full.

PC: Okay.

PC: Hm…

LRH: And one just this side of it.

LRH: Awful full.

PC: Okay.

PC: Hm…

LRH: All right. Now make the one you just put down snap hungrily.

LRH: Have you ever had sort of a gritty feeling in the stomach, or kind of whitish in the area of the stomach while very, very badly stuffed?

PC: Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Now make those three of them jump up and eat up all of these seats and all of the students.

LRH: Hmm?

PC: Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Got them? Now get them getting a stomachache. Get them explaining to each other it’s because the gods have affected them.

LRH: Did you ever have that feeling?

PC: Okay.

That’s the way they fed them at Arslycus and that’s the way they feed one of the particular entities who are sometimes kept in pawn. This is really wild stuff. You don’t have to know anything about this. It is the most curious thing, though, in the world. And that has a physiological aspect and if in restim will actually change form and if knocked OUT of restimulation will completely change a person’s build.

LRH: And get them lying down and dying. Now have three mice come in and grab the mousetraps and lug ‘em off to the other side of the room.

PC: I got some… One time I ran… and I felt… thought as if I had something hanging right here ar the waist. It was, say, about that big, and I thought that was gotten rid of.

PC: Umm-hmm.

LRH: Oh, it is, it is, they just never changed this particular physiology. Now which side of your body do you feel most alive?

LRH: Now make those mousetraps just huge and the mice very tiny.

LRH: All right, I’ll ask you another question, if you didn’t decide that in a hurry: Uh… how about the middle of your body? Does the middle of your body feel a little more alive than some other part of your body?

PC: Uhh-hmm.

PC: Yeah. LRH: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Make the mousetraps even bigger, and the mice even smaller.

(to class) Because that’s where that entity is sent to the center of the body. There’s a center to the body entity. And forcing a child to eat – you’d think might make it thin – will very often kick in one of these old, old, old past deaths.

PC: Okay.

(to pc) Mock up a body lying on a wooden… on a wooden board.

LRH: All right. Now get the mice eating the mousetraps.

PC: Yeah.

PC: That’s quite a strain. I’ve got traps here the size of the room and the mice the size of peas.

LRH: We might just as well finish this thing off. Mock up this body on this wooden board. Got it?

LRH: Okay, okay. That’s all right. Have them eat them up. How do you make them do it? Do they say they can’t do it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: No, I’ve got one of them gone already, but how it’s done, I don’t know.

LRH: Put it behind your head.

LRH: All right – all right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Above your head.

LRH: Okay. Now take those mice and turn them into thetans.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: To your right.

LRH: And have them come swinging over and going round and round your head.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: To your left.

LRH: Have one of ‘em take a saw and saw the top of your head off.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Below your feet.

LRH: Look inside to see if you’re there.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Turn it blue.

LRH: Have him tell you „Hello.“

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Scrunch it into a football.

LRH: Put the top of your head back on.

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Take a great big bicycle pump and pump up its stomach – great big bicycle pump and pump up its stomach.

LRH: Now have them go away.

PC: It exploded.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Mock up another thetan and put it in yesterday.

PC: It exploded.

PC: Okay.

LRH: The stomach exploded?

LRH: Okay, take a look at the inside of your forehead. Look at those horrible eyes staring in at you.

PC: No. The football.

(aside to class) Every once in a while a preclear will tell you, „I don’t see anything but I keep feeling like these horrible eyes are peering at me.“

LRH: Oh, the football. Oh, I beg your pardon. I was way ahead of you on the mock-ups. All right – exploded, huh? PC: Yeah.

PC: I get one. Pardon me, I get one purple spot…

LRH: All right, let’s put that right back where it was, and put that football back there again. PC: Yeah.

LRH: You get one purple…?

LRH: And this time, no matter how much air is pumped into it and no matter the terrific strain that comes onto it, just pump it up.

PC: Just back on the forehead there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Oh, yeah. Well, let’s examine that purple spot real good. Is there another purple spot there?

LRH: Got it pumped up real good? Now let’s take a needle and not let it break but make it feel like it’s going to. Let’s jab it with little pins and not let it break. How does that make you feel?

PC: No, it seems to be concentric circles and they merge in.

PC: Hmm, it makes my teeth chatter.

LRH: Oh, yeah? Make it into a pool of water. Got it?

LRH: Yeah? That’s the way they treat that particular body in pawn – fascinating.

PC: Well, not very good.

(to class) You can probably have more fun monkeying around with this stuff, particularly because in a mock-up, it’s no liability.

LRH: Well, turn it blue. Turn it red. Turn it green.

(to pc) Now shove that body out and put that… shove that football out and put teeth in it.

PC: Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Got it better now?

LRH: Got the teeth in it?

PC: Green, okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now turn on a tap over by the radiator and let it run, and drain the pool.

LRH: Got them real good?

(aside to class) I’m using much more mock-up than you would use in Step Two.

PC: Yeah.

(to pc) Got it going?

LRH: Now make ‘em chatter. Can you make ‘em chatter?

PC: I’ve still got my purple spot.

PC: I get much motion in there and just barely get them to…

LRH: Okay. Still got a purple spot. Good. Can you turn it red?

LRH: Won’t stop, huh? Well, get a bunch of teeth going around and around in an orbit. Got that?

PC: It’s more red than it was.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Turn it white.

LRH: Real good. Okay. You got that real good? Does this make you feel unhappy?

PC: No luck.

PC: I don’t notice about being unhappy.

LRH: You don’t like that – to turn it white? Hmm?

LRH: Well, put some unhappiness on the mock-up. Make the mock-up feel unhappy. Now put it up your head… above your head and make it feel cautious.

PC: No, it just doesn’t turn.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hmm, well, it turns red.

LRH: Now put it below you and have this football suddenly develop this and get up and just bat its way straight through a wall. PC: Yeah.

PC: Kind of. It’s a little more red than it was.

LRH: Make you feel good?

LRH: All right. Now let’s turn it black.

PC: Yeah.

PC: It gets rather dark purple. There’s a black now. Now it’s purple.

LRH: All right, let’s bat it through a second wall.

LRH: Turn it black… Now turn it purple.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Good.

LRH: Now mock up a couple of ghosts who are guarding it.

LRH: Now turn it purpler. Make it more purple than it is?

PC: Yeah.

PC: It seems to shift a little bit between kinda red and green.

LRH: Strangle ‘em.

LRH: Well, is that more purple?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Can’t seem to settle on the purple. Okay, I got it.

LRH: Throw ‘em away. Put the mock-up above your head. In front of you. Blow it up.

LRH: Okay. Now just let it be what it will.

PC: Okay.

Uh… let’s uh… let’s just go to what you would do as an auditor if we said the following. Now let’s just go right straight through the steps of SOP Issue Five, and let’s be two feet back of your head. Where’d you go?

LRH: Step two feet back of your head… be two feet back of your head. How was that?

PC: No, I wouldn’t be sure where I was.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You wouldn’t, huh? All right. Let’s just put a beam straight against the inside of your forehead there and just put a beam in there and just give it a shove. Shove that forehead there a couple of feet forward.

LRH: You there?

PC: That purple spot’s about two feet ahead of me, but…

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Purple spot’s about two feet ahead of you.

LRH: Okay, now let’s mock up this room as being full of goats right from two feet back of your head.

PC: Yeah, but where I am, I don’t know.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay. Did you… did it go away from you two feet?

LRH: Now let’s take a… a great big squirt gun…

PC: Yeah, it’s about that far away.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, make it one foot ahead of you.

LRH: … and shoot each goat.

PC: Okay.

PC: Where do you want to start?

LRH: Make it three feet ahead of you.

LRH: Huh?

PC: Okay.

PC: Where do you want to start?

LRH: Now let’s be two feet higher than it.

LRH: Oh, it doesn’t matter. Just go around the room with this squirt gun and shoot all the goats.

PC: Kind of a sensation of looking down at it, but not very good.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay, now be two feet lower than it.

LRH: Now make the blue goats develop halos and have them ascend to heaven. They all get there?

PC: I’m getting kind of an odd idea of it being above me.

PC: Yeah. LRH: Just take a look at the room.

LRH: Okay. Now let’s be a little bit further away from it.

PC: Yeah, they’re all there. There’s nothing here now.

PC: Hmm… I guess I’m probably about six or eight feet away.

LRH: Are you two feet behind your head?

LRH: Okay. Things getting any plainer to you? I’m not asking you to look at the surroundings; I mean just do you have any more feeling of certainty?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, I’m not sure of whether that white spot is pushed out that-a-way or whether I pushed that-a-way.

LRH: All right. Let’s take a look at the room. How does the room look. Shut your eyes.

LRH: Oh, is that what’s mixing you up?

PC: Yeah.

PC: I don’t know.

LRH: Take a look at the room. Where’s the dark spots? I just want to find the dark spots in this room. Remember I told you about finding out what’s in… lurking in that space?

LRH: Why don’t you just push yourself now? Push yourself out a little further.

PC: Uh…

PC: Kind of an odd feeling of being unsupported.

LRH: What would you hate to see there? Where’s the dark Spots?

LRH: Oh, yeah?

PC: There’s a dark spot out there and I think one here.

PC: And I don’t know where the hang I am yet.

LRH: Oh, there’s one right back there?

LRH: Well, let’s mock up somebody falling.

PC: Yes.

PC: Okay.

LRH: What would you hate to see right there in that dark spot right behind your shoulder?

LRH: Now let’s mock up a cat falling.

PC: Well, I don’t know. I’ve got a hell there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: A dog falling.

PC: I’d hate to see a hell there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You did? You would?

LRH: A bird falling.

PC: Yes.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Well, put a trident there – a spear.

LRH: A cow falling.

PC: Yeah. All right. Put some weenies on it.

PC: Okay.

PC: Some what?

LRH: Have a horse fall upward.

LRH: Weenies.

PC: Okay.

PC: Weenies?

LRH: Have him fall downward. Have him stop falling.

LRH: Frankfurters.

PC: Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay, mock up a green wall.

LRH: Got that?

PC: Okay.

PC: Yeah. LRH: Build a fire out in front of you and toast the frankfurters. Did you make that?

LRH: Mock up a body.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay, let’s throw that away. What would you hate to see in that area out… out that-a-way?

LRH: Change the color of the wall.

PC: Well, I don’t know.

PC: Okay.

LRH: What would you hate to see out there? Well, just name something.

LRH: Change the color of the body.

PC: Sugar.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Hmm? What?

LRH: Throw ‘em out the window.

PC: Sugar.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Sugar?

LRH: Okay. Now uh… how do you feel about it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Good.

LRH: All right, put some sugar out there. Put a whole bunch of sugar out there. Great big bags of sugar. Got that?

LRH: Feel good? You got any better idea of location? Do you… you have any little tiny faint or partial visio on anything?

PC: Yeah.

PC: No… Well, there’s that purple spot.

LRH: Now mock up a sugar termite.

LRH: You’ve got that purple spot. Why don’t you turn it into a golfball and knock it way away.

PC: Yeah.

PC: It doesn’t knock.

LRH: Got that?

LRH: It doesn’t knock, huh?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Nope. It doesn’t turn into a golfball either.

LRH: Now have this sugar termite dwindle in size to only one inch long.

LRH: It doesn’t? Okay, I tell you what we’ll do. Tell you what we’ll do. Turn it red.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Got it pink.

LRH: Now let’s have him get in… down in size to a quarter of an inch long.

LRH: Okay, deepen the pink. Lighten the pink. Deepen it. Now keep it from being scarlet.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Now that requires effort.

LRH: Now let’s let him see a mock-up of sugar.

LRH: Really? But you then managed it?

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PC: Uh-uh! It got scarlet on me.

LRH: (to class) Uh… I’m going to throw another step in here just for the hell of it. It’s in Standard Operating Procedure Issue One and Two.

(to pc) Try not to be a foot back of your head. What happens when you do that?

PC: Well, I put forth a little effort, feel a little tension, but nothing else.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay. Now let’s try to… just pick up a point out in front of your body.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Hold it still.

PC: I seem to get a kind of odd visio, looking at my leg.

LRH: Oh, yeah? All right, what’s this spot there? You got the spot?

PC: That jumped out when I told you about my leg.

LRH: Well, let’s put it back there.

PC: It’s doing a fair job of sticking around in the vicinity.

LRH: It’s doing a fair job of it, huh?

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Okay. Is it holding completely still?

PC: Not completely. It’s awfully hard to get it down to a precise spot too.

LRH: Let’s not worry about it.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Uh… you had an impression to look at your leg suddenly, huh?

PC: Kind of.

LRH: (to class) You know, once in a blue moon you don’t find the preclear in the head. Now this is outside the mock-ups which I was doing there, throwing in some randomity. And outside of introducing negative exteriorization, which you don’t have to know anything about. But it’s a technique. Now this is standard so far, and I’m not doing it to invalidate him because I could actually work him on any of these steps until he was exterior. But I just want to keep going.

But the easiest, fastest way to do it is Just go right on through the steps.

(to pc) Let’s take the old homestead now.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Let’s make a whole ring of them all the way around you, about 20 feet away from you.

(to class) That’s faster, because he got ‘em fast. That’s faster. And that’s more of them than you would normally ask for.

You got a few?

PC: Yeah, kind of dimly but I’ve got ‘em.

LRH: All right, now this – are they in back of you too?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let’s start taking them then, from in back of you and start sticking them in – stacking them into yourself.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Stick ‘em in. One after the other.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Got ‘em all?

PC: Umm-hmm.

LRH: Well, why don’t you rig up another ring of ‘em? Now let’s let one just drift out there about five or ten feet in front of you. Does it show any tendency to do anything?

PC: Yeah, it flipped over on its top easily.

LRH: Toward you or away from you?

PC: Umm it’s just rolled over…

LRH: Towards you?

PC: Yeah, toward me, I guess.

LRH: Well, what do you know? All right, now let’s just stack all of those you just put out there, and stack ‘em in. Just pick ‘em all up and just stick ‘em in.

(aside to class) I’ll go right on now with a Step Four. I’ll do this much more rapidly than you would ordinarily do it.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Is it getting easier to do?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Why don’t you throw ‘em all out there in a circle again and turn ‘em purple?

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Put cowboys on each one of ‘em.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Change the cowboys to Indians.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now have the houses develop legs and gallop in a wide circle around you.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now speed up the gallop.

PC: Umm.

LRH: What’s happened?

PC: Well, they were going around me and they gradually shifted and they’re going around out there.

LRH: Now let’s put them out there where they belong.

PC: Over here? Okay.

LRH: And let’s bring ‘em in on your lap. Let’s pile them all in on your lap now.

PC: The mock-ups are rather dim and not very substantial, but they’re… they’re there.

LRH: You’ve got ‘em on your lap?

PC: Yup.

LRH: Okay. You’ve got ‘em on your lap. Condense them into one house.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Got it? One house?

PC: Umm-hmm.

LRH: All right. Let’s take this house and turn it into a castle.

PC: Okay.

LRH: And put it way out on the other side of the room.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Put it in yesterday.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Mock up a woman.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Another one.

PC: Umm-hmm.

LRH: Another one.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Another one. What are they doing, by the way?

PC: Just standing…

LRH: They are?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, have them turn around and walk away from you.

PC: They have a tendency to walk out and then slip back about three feet.

LRH: All right. Take ‘em one after the other and just throw ‘em into your body.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Uh… have any difficulty with that?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Now just mock up all the women you have… just mock up… we don’t care how sloppy. We’re not interested in identification of ‘em at all – uh… no matter how sloppy – just mock up every woman you ever knew on the whole track for the last 74 trillion years, and just pick ‘em up in big circles and start throwing ‘em into the body, and if just a moment before they come in they seem to stick, turn ‘em red or blue – or turn ‘em red and blue and they’ll slip in.

PC: Is this to be done individually or as a whole mess of ‘em?

LRH: And just at any time, any moment that you get one out here who doesn’t want to come in, make three more like her. And the last one that you made will probably snap in. Now let’s… let’s just uh… go at it… this and s… the last you made will snap in and then take in the other two. I’m not trying to set this up on an automatic basis. I’m just setting it up as a routine. You’ve got a lot of dames to handle here. Now we don’t want to waste any time with these dames. Because dames, after all, are dames. And uh… let’s mock these things up in a huge crowd standing behind you and in front of you and on each side of you.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now let’s put a great big balcony and so forth above you – full of ‘em.

PC: Umm-hmm.

LRH: Now a huge square of ‘en below you, full of ‘em.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Start pulling them in from all sides and descriptions, one by one, or ten by ten – I don’t care. Let’s get ‘em all.

PC: I get them as far as… no personal identity there at all. I couldn’t pick out one of the group if I tried to.

LRH: Did you get ‘em all?

PC: Well, I… They’re still stuck out here.

LRH: They’re still stuck?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Turn them all green.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Turn them all blue.

PC: Okay.

LRH: For every one of those, make two more.

PC: Okay.

LRH: For every one of those, make two more.

PC: Okay.

LRH: It’s getting to be quite a few, huh?

PC: Quite a few.

LRH: Turn ‘em red.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Turn ‘em blue.

PC: Okay.

LRH: What’s the matter?

PC: I’m having trouble keeping ‘em blue.

LRH: Oh, you’re having trouble keeping them blue? Well, turn ‘em back to natural color.

PC: They’ve moved a considerable distance away from me. A mile or so, at least.

LRH: Oh, they have moved away from you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: No kidding? Well now, pick them up and stuff them into the body. Let’s get going on this. There are quite a few dames there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Is it working okay?

PC: I think they’re inside.

LRH: You think so? Well, let’s pack them down…

PC: They’re not there, anyway.

LRH: Huh?

PC: I haven’t got them out there – and I felt them coming in.

LRH: Okay. Now let’s pack ‘em into the body a little tighter.

PC: Umm.

LRH: Kind of crowd ‘em down.

PC: Yeah, they were just packed and then they went out and then I pushed them in again.

LRH: Yeah. Let’s get them in there real good now.

All right now, the dickens with those. Let’s… let’s… let’s mock ‘em all up again. Get ‘em out there around you – mock ‘em all up again.

PC: I can pick ‘em out as individuals much better then I could before.

LRH: Oh, yeah?

PC: Yes. It’s pretty good – more detail.

LRH: Put ribbons flying over their heads.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now, make a couple more for every one you’ve got there.

PC: That doesn’t seem to come too good.

LRH: Making more of ‘em?

PC: No.

LRH: Why, were you too… so interested in them becoming suddenly individual?

PC: Well, they’ve lost that again and become a mass.

LRH: Oh, and this is not quite as desirable?

PC: I don’t know.

LRH: We’ve got ‘em all mocked up there as a mass. Now just turn ‘em red.

PC: This mock-up is just loosing a lot of its uh… detail and… reality

LRH: Oh yeah?

PC:… as it goes on.

LRH: It’s getting sort of red, though?

PC: Umm, kind of, yeah.

LRH: All right, now just uh… let ‘em be whatever shade they want to be and stuff ‘em in. Get ‘em in there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Pack ‘em down.

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