& Voice in audience: He's looking for me, that's why he hasn't found you.

& Yeah?

& Voice in audience: Just waiting to put my me with the filing tax. I ain't saying nothing.

& Voice from Audience: How you going to know? There's a lot of ...

& What do you know? Well we've got to make a couple of theta clears quick and wreck these income tax people right quick.

& Well, that's true, that's true.

Tonight, tonight I'm going to give you two, two talks with possibly a very short demonstration. I'm going to carry this forward very rapidly, I didn't realize last night until the intermission that a lot of people completely unfamiliar with Dianetics were present and I'm going to feed it to you hot and fast, just more or less like it will come out on the summer course.

& Voice from Audience: Yeah. Well, I ... [unintelligible] now. I realize that it's all ... [unintelligible]

Tonight I want to talk to you about theta bodies. The anatomy of a theta body itself and the anatomy of a composite which you are calling you, and you might find this of considerable interest. This is a matter of research which is quite old. People have been working in this field on Earth here, that I know about, for the last ten thousand years, and they've been working elsewhere on this field for many more years than that. And the data which has been amassed has more or less up to this time, been one sided. Nobody went backwards on this data. That is to say, they knew how to do things to theta bodies and they knew how theta bodies would behave when you did things to them, but they did not know what to do to a theta body to undo what was done to it.

I'd like to talk to you now about the track map. There will be an issue of this map, many issues of this map, which will be printed and given to students of the Summary Course.

In other words, the reverse process. Now by getting some thought, emotion, effort recordings, facsimiles and now the anatomy itself of the theta body it is possible for us to turn around and reverse vector on this whole problem. We can take apart what has been done to theta bodies. We can examine what theta bodies are natively and what are their, at least the greater part of their total potentials.

There should be one of these maps for each preclear because all this map contains is the standard incidents on the track with side notations for each incident which can be filled in for any one preclear. And it has an accompanying chart which is an entity chart so that you can keep track of your preclear.

It becomes obvious that nothing that has been done to a theta body in the last trillion years, if you will pardon my statement, I'm merely following an electro psychometer's reading preclear after preclear, trillion or trillions of years is about the age of the theta body, MEST universe time. It is discoverable now that the theta body at one time possessed enormous potentials and did not need very much of what we call experience. And that these potentials were seen and recognized for their potentialities, the potentialities of the theta body were such that at no time could anyone thoroughly control them. And today theta bodies can turn around and move out of this control sector.

Now, this track map has notations on it to follow an electropsychometer so that it shows what you're doing and what you're getting charge on and so on. Now, you saw we had one preclear tonight who was a bit stuck on one incident. That incident was an explosion, an overt act and a jam of one sort or other, and that was very sticky, so we weren't getting the rest of the track.

So the whole effort of the last umpteen lord knows how long years, has been a bust. There, in other words, the efforts of controlling, localizing, centralizing, compounding, impacting, upsetting, turning around, using theta bodies has been fruitless. Nobody knew how to turn these things around until he knew something about thought, emotion, effort. Now all of a sudden we take apart the composite theta body which is you, into its component theta bodies, and we take these apart as regard to the experience, and we find the potentiality of which a central theta line is capable. And this is not slight, this is tremendous. We're back at the potentiality as it was, plus the knowledge of how to take it apart if it gets any other way than how it was. So we've made a little bit out of this, if anything.

Now, it's very interesting that somebody who has always considered hilself very stuck and so forth on the track - Maurie gets the whole track without any difficulty, you see? In other words, his theta being is actually operate pretty efficiently in spite of occlusions and all the rest of this stuff.

Now if anybody becomes uncomfortable while I'm talking here, be assured it is probably a temporary condition. Very few of these composite bodies are very well stuck together. They're not well glued, in other words, and at the first signals of awareness, things start to happen. Actually at this time and with the subject matter which I'm giving you tonight, you won't probably experience much more than a mild somatic or a hot somatic or feel an empty space or something of the sort. But what we're dealing with is very root stuff. Up to this time we've been dealing with facsimiles. Now we are dealing with the theta body and part, partly with facsimiles. But if you can introduce the awareness of each part of the composite which is you, you get total awareness and you also lose a lot of parts; this is not bad.

Now, this track map is used, then, in this fashion: that you make notations for each type of incident when you discover it on an E-Meter. And then you have a notation on it whether or not you audited it out, or how nearly you audited it out, and what you audited it out of. See, that's quite important. It's important to keep, at this time, a check on your preclear. A careful auditor in the past - considering his preclear as just one entity, one being - had no great difficulty in keeping track (we knew that we'd run out the basic part of the bank, or something of the sort), but this is a different situation. The situation is far more advanced and its goal is much higher than any we have ever tried to attain. And you'd better keep track of what the track is like: how many entities are still there,how many of the joiners you've gotten out, and keep it straight so that you know what's been audited and what hasn't.

It is interesting as we view the fact of theta bodies, how many people were very right on the subject. When I was a very young fellow in India, the things that I was told were to me undemonstrable to a large extent, and yet one had a haunting feeling that they were so. And one could go around and look at people here and there and see that there was some ghost of proof about this. Now we have tools that take apart practically everything that has been stated correctly about the human soul, the human beingness and so on. And we can examine this for ourselves, which makes this very interesting.

Now, part of this - and a separate section of the track map - has to do with the between-lives sequence, modern. Modern: the last 35,000 years. Some of us walked in rather curiously, I'm sure, and volunteered or something of the sort, and were held in pawn, and some sort of a sequence began to take place. This was in the effort to civilize and fix up earth; somebody else's effort, not yours.

I have found this a very fascinating line of research. You might realize that much of this research has been kept under a lid. The tone scale of Dianetics which was drawn in December and January 1950-51, had a bar up at the top of it which said "One thousand, capabilities unknown," or "capabilities unexplored," I was actually into this line of research with both feet at the time. But we had to build a bridge. Now that bridge was simply learning the mechanics of thought, emotion and effort. How does the theta body effect the physical universe, how does the physical universe effect the theta body?

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Let us take it now just as thoroughly and as calmly and dispassionately as MEST anatomy is taken out of Gray's historic book on anatomy, and look at a composite body. A human being, what we're calling today homo sapiens, is a composite of about seven theta lines, about seven. And these theta lines are each one a theta body in it's own right, and some of these seven are slightly composite. That is to say, they may consist of two or three, but they call them central theta lines. Now these are theta bodies. They come together from their first level into a greater and greater degree of complexity, simply by adding new lines or adding new bodies. And this is no more, no less complicated than simply taking the digit two, which is evidently the basic unit and then we add two more, we add three, and then we add two more on top of that. There are usually three specific incidents on the track which are additive incidents, call them in slang, joiners. And these lines come together then. First they suddenly appear as two, there are two theta bodies which become a composite of one theta body.

.. we were working on this a little bit the other evening. By the way, when operating this machine, you should have your controls fairly well back when it's first turned on and so on. You put the cans in the preclear's hands and then turn on your machine - to keep the needle from hitting the pin too badly. I think new machines will probably have cartridges in them that will blow a fuse, and so you'd have the difficulty of blowing a fuse, which will train you rather quickly. MEST force. And that's of course, ...

Now I'm not talking now in terms of all the incidents there are. You see, each one of these has had an experience before it joins up as this first composite. And we'll call this first composite a personality, something of the sort. Now here you have then the basic unit of two. Back of that, these two have broken away from the main body of theta, two or three minor incidents have occurred and we get down to this basic unit of two. That's joiner one. Usually one faces forward and one faces back. They are put together face to face. Now these are outside of any universe that we know about. They begin outside of any universe that we know about. And they have the potentialities of goals. And each one probably has a slightly different goal than the other one, so that you get a good balance between the two. They have agreed on what their goals are and they've also agreed that their goals are different, some slight degree.

LRH: What's the matter?

We come down the line a little bit further and we get joiner one which is the first possibility of a body and this is another universe than the MEST universe again, usually. And I am now describing an average line, a line which you might find varying considerably from preclear to preclear. But your added three permits the first two to have a body. And this body possibly has many descriptions, you can get it variously described. But it doesn't have perceptions really as we know perceptions, because you still have theta body awareness of immortality and continuance and proceeding. Now on the entrance into the MEST universe, there is an additional addition.

What did you think of?

Now this talk I'm giving you is not a talk describing the various incidents. I'm just showing you here is additive factors. These lines are coming together, and each time you have more composite for a body. Now that's what's important because these things are making a body or they're entering bodies and so on.

PC: MEST force, or something like that.

Then you get what we call the genetic line. Now this genetic line, which produces your present body, actually is a continuance through the MEST universe here on Earth. And you didn't join this line as the composite theta body line, "you", until well, varying terms of years ago, maybe two, three or ten thousand years ago. But this genetic line has its own theta body, and as the Greeks said, the mind was in the stomach. it carried what you might call a theta body line in the stomach. That was its center of awareness. And when it was joined, it was joined in the head by the other lines and in short, you had a genetic line coming along and being joined by an already composite line.

LRH: MEST force. Is MEST force bad?

Now the composite line had what you might call a stomach theta body, or a stomach soul. And this stomach soul and the genetic line soul are overlaid in the middle of the body. And their conflicts, upsets and so forth are many, and there is your anxiety stomach, your general fear reaction, and the theta body composite that comes in on the theta body line, not the genetic line. We'll call this other a genetic theta line, just for a better use. This composite line stomach soul is quite often if not almost always, psychotic. That stomach soul is psychotic. It has been through just once too many and a little bit too much. And it's interesting that you can take this, this particular theta body and bring it up to present time and knock out an anxiety stomach very easily, or even, even let this entity go away.

PC: Yeah.

Now this is more or less an average number of standard lines that make up the composite which is referred to as homo sapiens. It's interesting and extremely interesting that none of these lines need any of the other of these lines to be a complete entity. But they are joined together. They are under compulsion and they are under duress because they have been used, they have been abused and they have been united for other purposes than those in the best interest of self determinism. Self determinism has been led however, all down the line to slightly aid, abet and help out this composite state.

LRH: Not so good, is it?

Now riding over the top of this whole line all the way down through the universes to now evidently, is this first duo, the first double, the basic unit two. And one of these theta lines is slightly senior to the other. And that you will find, as the others peel off, is the native, controlling, natural you; and that's what you recognize as you. You say, "Who am I?" well, it is the senior of the first duo. And the conduct of the senior of the first duo is modified by the junior of those two, and is then modified by the additive lines on and on and on and on until the senior of those is quite normally asleep, gone. As far as he's concerned, he believes he's dead or he has strange ideas about himself. His ideas of awareness, he's sort of delegated everything to everything else. He's in apathy, really. Homo, homo sapiens.

PC: Nope.

The activities in which people engage are quite normally carried through lower levels of the theta line. And people quite commonly run on their right sides, or their left sides which, by the way, is the next factor I would like to tell you about.

LRH: All right. Look, we want to know particularly about the between-lives sequence now.

These theta lines have anatomical positions in the body. You can easily discover these. You'll know where they are, what they do, what they try to control. It is very interesting that they are not necessary, any of these added lines, to the control of the body. The central senior soul, the central senior theta line is itself completely capable of doing the entire job. And the person could only be considered, could be considered a clear only if he were monitored and governed solely from this unity of one. And your second one might still remain, but it would be a junior position.

PC: Okay.

Now here you have then, here you have unnecessary additives all the way down the line. And these, these additives however, have taken over anatomical positions. Precise you might say, a geographic position in the human body. There's one on the right side, there's one on the left side, of the central soul. There's one behind the central soul and there's one in the solar plexus area, and then the next two are outboard of the first two I've mentioned, so that you have the two outboard souls. Then the next one is the stomach soul with the two side inboard souls. So your right side would have two souls, your left side has two souls. And then you have the central soul forward and the central soul back. And in addition to all these there is the theta body of the genetic line which is evidently resident somewhere in the middle of the body.

LRH: Okay.

Now the theta body of the genetic line could of course swell up and take entire command of the body, and so could any other theta line we have. Any one of them could take over almost or complete control of the body, or can take over a sectional control of the body. A little bit of it or a lot of it. Any one of them has this potentiality. And what are we looking at now? We're looking at theta bodies in their essence. A theta body then, is nothing more and nothing less than the personality that you talk to every day, and it has no difference whatsoever between itself in an aberrated state and a human being at any given moment, because at any given moment a human being is actually running on one theta body. Of course that one theta body can be modified by having to look through another theta body in order to express itself, and there's complications of this character. But I want to drive this home very thoroughly, is there's nothing strange about a theta body. You walk with them, you talk with them, you are them. And the reason I'm calling them theta bodies is to give you a very good differentiation, because a human being, homo sapiens, as he exists today in a normal state, is a composite of these bodies. But he is manifesting usually, only one of these personalities.

LRH: And immediately we want the between-lives sequence, and looks like this preclear we have here ... And the manifestation of the needle is flicking from the theta-universe manifestation - which is a wide swing-to the between-lives manifestation. Now, there is a very, very nice theta-universe manifestation and he's got the theta-universe manifestation mixed up with the between-lives manifestation.

Now, homo sapiens is in the very interesting state of having the upper two centers, if seen or heard at all, in a sort of a background awareness state that only, about the only way they would ever come through to you, if they got very interested they'd give you flash answers.

PC: Thought I get is it isn't far to go.

Now here then you have other modifications and you have these others, one by one down the line at one time or another, have been almost in entire control of the body, and the bulk of them but not the first two, are psychotic. The bulk of the theta bodies which are different than those first two, are in this society, mad as hatters. You ask them to come up to present time and you get snapped at and snarled at. Any one of them forms the foundation of what we called earlier in Dianetics, demon circuitry.

LRH: Huh?

The demon circuitry sets as individual and obsessions in the theta body, and these theta bodies being low toned and in a somewhat hypnotic and neurotic, at least, state, will copy and mimic other human beings which they observe or feel in their environment. And they will hold these imitations and they will hold on to the aberrations which they observe and they are very confused, normally. They're extremely confused. They do not know there are any other theta bodies present, and they are just as willing to hurt a body as to help it. A peson's right hand is always cutting him. Well, it's either the inboard right hand soul or the outboard right hand soul is sort of cross about the whole thing, and you as the auditor start to address this soul, and you get the most interesting responses.

LRH: Not far to go, huh?

What is this soul's regard toward this body? Very often you'll get something very foggy, "What body?" Sometimes you'll get, "Well I got to kill him," and so on. But here you're getting a response different than the early responses on circuitry. Now you know, in the old days I tried to keep people from examining this. I might as well confess now, the demon circuits themselves could be cleared by picking up incidents. But the theta bodies themselves were very, very tricky to handle and one had to find out several things about them. And one of the things one had to find out about them is, are they all following the same rule of order? Do they all respond to the same mechanics or are there such things as demons, idle spirits, devils, any one of these things, or are they just psychotics? Or what? And it turns out after a great deal of research that they're just normal or neurotic or psychotic and so on, in their effects on a preclear.

PC: That's right.

The anatomy then of a composite theta body which is you, is traceable back down this minimum, minimum as far as I've been able to determine, and though my figures are, the number of cases is not as large as I would like to have it, it's seven. The minimum is seven. Why do I say minimum? It's because every one of those joiners has put into every one of these theta bodies, the compulsion to pick up more theta bodies. And it does so automatically, does so just automatically, so that somebody comes along and he commits an overt act. He kills, he kills our old friend Bill or something of the sort, and then he says, "Gee this is uuh, too bad I killed Bill." He's got Bill. He's got the composite Bill. He's got all of Bill.

LRH: Actually, between lives you could very easily take off for the theta universe, but you're sort of choked up on it. Now, tell me. When you die - normally when you die on Earth, where do you go?

And it actually can get down to a point where the composite you, fortunately very lightly so, can actually be influenced by thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of theta lines which you've picked up, but which aren't your theta lines. You're just sort of holding them trapped. And they've tried to go back, and go where they're supposed to go between lives and they try to do this and they try to do that. Maybe they're so groggy they don't know enough to do this, and so on. You take somebody who is really sick and you run out an overt act, if he'll get a grief charge on it or if you reduce this overt act, you have probably also jettisoned a captured theta body, just like that.

PC: Mars.

Now it's wonderful what the aberrations are on this theta line, the aberration of a theta body. It is fabulous because it is very standard. There are very few of them and they are best described by reading the bottom of the chart of attitudes plus two, plus two columns. And that one column would be freedom at the top and restraint at the bottom, and win at the top and lose at the bottom. That would be fourteen buttons on the chart of attitudes and the bottom line would describe pretty well the complete aberration or the completely aberrated theta body. For instance, "I know not, I am not, I am nothing but effect," and so on.

LRH: Mm-hm. There's a nice bop. Okay, let's put it down on the chart here. Here's Earth and here is death.

Freedom/restraint column comes in interestingly because need or desire for or compulsion to have a body is on that column, and that is just an aberration. So as you take a person up that column on need of and care of the body, it forms one of the most powerful processes there is. Very interesting process. And the other column of course, is lose. They are trying to lose because it's the only way they can get free. But what does lose mean? Lose would also mean just jettisoning this body, so it would align with a cross on those two columns. The only way it could get out of this universe is to fail enough to lose, and people try that.

Okay. Here is Mars up here, so you go flipping up here. It take you very long to get there?

TBD magnet Now what happens to these theta lines? What happens to them when they become psychotic or neurotic or normal, what happens to them? They simply run down the line with less and less sense, with less and less power, with less and less direction. And so arrive at what the mystic normally referred to, or the spiritualist, correcting myself, referred to as the idle spirit. The psychotic theta body is what we call demons and they're very magnet as genies and so forth. If you want to know then what an aberrated theta body looks like, just look at an aberrated human being, that's all. Just look at an aberrated human being and you're looking at an approximation of this.

PC: Nope.

TBD terminals or channels? Now it has some specific obsessions with which you should be very well familiar. And these obsessions are these. One, it has to have a body. Two, it has to be, these are plants, by the way, these are planted. There are points on the track where they've agreed to this, but these are mostly implanted into the theta body to get it into order. Has to have a body. And two, it cannot perceive without looking through a body's perceptic terminals.

LRH: Nope.

Now get that as important because it's a blinder. It has to stand behind a pair of optic nerves before it can get a facsimile of this MEST universe, it thinks. It has to stand behind ears before it can hear. It has to stand back of a whole battery of nerve channels in order to feel. And this should explain to you immediately why it is so easy to shut off - recall perceptions, are very easily shut off, simply because they lie squarely on top of the theta line obsessions that won't see, feel or hear or anything.

PC: Scared as hell, incidentally.

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LRH: By the way, were you told to go there?

It's quite interesting material to find out that you can get complications in a case to the degree that you can get, because of these variables.

PC: Yep.

When you have seven preclears on a couch and any one of those seven may have a half a dozen more, things can get quite complicated.

LRH: You're supposed to go there. Are you supposed to remember that you're supposed to go there?

The only way I've been able to thread through this with great accuracy, has been with an E-meter because they'll generally answer up if put to the question in this fashion. Now most of your preclears have an enormous number of potential chronic somatics.

PC: Nope.

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LRH: But you're supposed to forget that you're supposed to rem-.

..chronic somatic and then get rid of another chronic somatic. And each one unless you've kept on with your processing, would continue to be chronic from the moment you stop the processing. You see how that would be? Some of you have had that happen to preclears.

PC: Supposed to remember I'm supposed to forget.

You get them all over a psychosomatic nose condition and after that they have psychosomatic toenail condition. Now your experience in this line however, has not been anywhere near as bad as old time psychotherapy. This was nightmare alley because as soon as you persuaded somebody, and argued somebody in him, which they weren't trying to do, argued somebody into not doing that anymore, something else came in and said, "Well we'll do this now." A psychotherapist then assumed as a rule of the road that any time you got rid of a psychosomatic illness in a preclear, you would then find another psychosomatic illness substituting for it in the preclear. This was a rule of the road. They just got to a point finally, where they would diagnose all psychosomatic illnesses as substitutions for something else. Well that's quite interesting. A substitution was a substitution, was a sublimation, was a substitution. How else could you look at it with this may variables and with no means actually, to eradicate that particular psychosomatic illness so it wouldn't kick back? This was a very difficult problem.

LRH: That's interesting, isn't it?

Now any one of the entities with which you are dealing, any one of the theta bodies with which you are dealing in a preclear, is capable of producing an almost unlimited number of psychosomatic illnesses. You could get something like this. Supposing your preclear was just one theta body, so on. You're familiar with this condition. You audit him for a while and you get him up to a position where he's no longer stuck in that engram. No longer in that incident, and now he's in another incident. Now you'd audit that incident long enough so that he was no longer stuck in that incident or it didn't influence him, he'd be in another one. Meantime sort of coming on up the track, a little bit later and later incidents, or maybe sometimes flicking back and going into earlier incidents. There's a finite end to such a thing.

PC: Yeah. We hit that one under religion: "Remember, you must always remember." Kind of surprised when I found out what it was I was supposed to remember.

So long as you as an auditor do not become tired, you can actually, tired or low in tone or discouraged or something of the sort, you can actually exert enough influence on this preclear to hold him in one theta body. That's a trick which is observable. You've seen some preclear change auditors and right away the second auditor gets an entirely different case. And he comes around and he says, "Well you know that case, and you were trying to run out all those prenatals and those locks on the mother and so forth. Actually it was the father. Father was the whole solution of the case," and drop a curve on you. And they were auditing another theta body.

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, you're supposed to remember to forget, naturally ...

Now if you change from a man to a woman auditor, the man will find himself auditing one theta body, and the woman auditor will find herself auditing quite another theta body automatically, because men and women are responded to in a preclear by different theta bodies.

PC: Yep.

TBD grow Now these variables need not be perplexing and are actually only perplexing if they aren't understood. If you realize suddenly that you're playing an organ with twelve stops, you can reach in and pull the stops in and out. That's very simple, and you can play Home Sweet Home twelve times. Fortunately for you, all these beings don't receive the same engram at the same moment. Now you've seen this trick of valence manifestation. You take the preclear back on the track and he's way out of valence, and you work and work and work to get him in valence. Well there's a good reason why you're working to get him in valence. What you're doing when he's out of valence, you'd be trying to audit an observer. Well now, it so happened that this observing theta body would actually have some charge on the incident. This observing theta body which is the preclear too, would be watching this incident happen and he doesn't like it just as an observer, just as any other observer in the room wouldn't like it. So you can audit out. But for heaven's sakes, audit it out as an observer. Don't just harass the preclear to get him into valence, just audit him out as an observer. Alright, so you watch this. OK, grow it.

LRH: ... I mean, that's simple.

You will find as you run the case, that gradually you can bring such an incident, and this is the manifestation of running through an incident several times and then suddenly finding the person in valence. What you do is audit out this observer, this observer, and then audit out one observer over here and then audit out one observer over here. And then all of a sudden this central case here, you come onto that and it alerts because why? Because it's getting the incident restimulated. The theta being is getting the incident restimulated over and over by these observers. They go through the incident, observers go through the incident and that restimulates your center one, so all of a sudden he's on to the incident. And he's awake in it.

Female voice: Yes, of course.

Generally when you see this manifestation, the person the preclear was, the being the preclear was at the time, is getting so much charge during the incident that quite often if it's a severe incident that entity stops there and sort of passes out, goes to sleep, considers it's dead, considers it's finished, that it is no more, there's no use to carry on, it stops right there on the track. But with this other stuff going on around it, all of a sudden it will shake loose enough on the track so that you can audit it, wakes up to that degree.

LRH: Effective.

Now let us clarify terminology here, then. We wanted to really be precise in any communication, we say exactly what we mean and therefore we have to have some words that say exactly what they mean. So for no other reason than that we can find it handy in communication, let us classify these bodies, these theta bodies, in this wise. Let's call the theta being, let's say theta being would be the central senior person, the one that the person would be, your preclear would be if he were entirely cleared up on his way to a theta clear. And this would be the last entity you would be addressing. That's the top, senior entity and the one which will preserve as the preclear. Let's call that a theta being, or his theta being. Now let's call the remaining theta bodies, let's call these remaining theta bodies souls; and not call this... You don't like that word. Alright, what do you want for words? Let's call them then, entities. Let's call them entities. Hm?

Okay. Now, when you got there in the old days, when you got up there ...

TBD Male Voice: Possession Entities

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Alright. You've got a whole series of these now, 'cause these by the way, have not walked in. These have not walked in unbidden. They are actually have been gathered up in groups. Some of them are there under compulsion from elsewhere.

LRH: Does one of you still make this trip?

Now let's call the third order; these are the ones that are supposed to be there; this would include the theta being and then six entities and then the remaining ones, let's call these things idle entities, or some such word. These idle ones then, are very idle. They are actually theta beings which have run downhill to the point where they're practically out the bottom. They couldn't have a body if, it's just, that's where your; by the way, that's where all these beings go eventually. They just peel off downhill they're longer capable of having bodies, they're so thoroughly stuck on the track. Well, there's these idle beings.

PC: Nope.

Male voice: You call those vampires?

LRH: Find a body there? Well, let's just talk about the good old days, then, okay?

Well they'd be vampires, alright. OK.

PC: All right.

Now those come in on the individual. They come in on the individual, but not unbidden. He asked for them. Or one of his, one of his entities asked for them authorizedly or unauthorizedly, out of a compulsion to join up. Therefore you have this, this stack that looks like this. First there's the theta being. Now it has co-mingled in company, but hasn't co-mingled in identity, with a second, with a second being. Now this other being's pretty senior and probably won't leave. These two then have added to them, these entities, one after the other. And these entities in turn have enough compulsion on them to add in even more beings, so that you eventually wind up with a very large number.

LRH: They're still there, by the way.

Now an entity then, is classifiable to the degree that any entity may have an elsewhere body, for homo sapiens at the present time, any entity may have an elsewhere body. These idle ones generally don't. The theta being may himself have an entity - a - another body. May have. There's no reason to be very complex about this. We could each, actually go through and number them on their positions and you'd know exactly where they are.

PC: Yep.

The theta being normally faces forward and is in the head and can emanate there into the whole body and can be the whole body. And when your preclear is well, when he is well disposed, when he is in good condition and so on, it will be this being that he is. The second one has different goals but is sort of a partner to the first one. And it normally considers itself to be facing back in the head, because where it's most easily reached. And it too could pervade the whole body without any very bad consequences, although the goals of this being, this entity, are not as high or as good as the theta being's goals. Alright.

LRH: But they're not in very good shape right now, are they?

Your next being would be the right inside, and the next being the left inside; these are entities, now; right inside, left inside and stomach. And now you have two more entities added. Now I don't know whether this happened in every case, but these last entities seem to have been added after Earth. They were added here on Earth somehow or other. I haven't that story very clear yet. And there is another entity which is the somatic entity, which is continued all the way along the track as the body. And it's actually responsible for having developed the body and has on its file all of the genetic line data, like the Boohoo, the Helper, and so forth. That's its data bank.

PC: No.

Now each one of these, at one time or another in a preclear's many existences, has been in charge. Not for any other reason than that the theta being has gone to sleep or has failed or has been pushed out of a position of command. And so most people have one or another of these beings taking over this way and that. Very interesting. Some of these entities are or have been theta beings, and as such are accompanied by their own sub-order. But you find them all in the same location, all in the same location, so don't be surprised. This is why I say it takes an E-meter to keep track of all these, because any one of them, and this is a rule of the road on this, any one of these can take over and invest the entire body, can operate solely with its own data bank and can create a somatic anywhere in the body. The geographical locale is only where you will find them more or less native. But they can actually take that area and extend from that area and become the whole being or extend from that area and suddenly control a part of the body which is quite distant from their seat of command.

LRH: Okay. Now, this is Mars. Some pcs will tell you it's Venus, and maybe there is a show going on in Venus which does more or less the same thing, who knows? Is there a show going on in Venus, too?

Now let no one be confused about the theory of epicenters. The theory of epicenters is quite valid. It is a trace, a tracking of how the body evolved. And all of these epicenters have data banks but they are all under the command of the somatic entity. And the somatic entity has, as it comes along, been formed and added to structurally. So the control centers or the epicenters of a body are merely the points of the body from which the mechanisms and limbs of the body are handled. And they came into existence very smoothly by counter-efforts being applied to that point. That's structure, that's physical structure.

PC: It's a different one.

Now get this picture. Here is a big control panel. Every button on this big control panel could be called an epicenter; might say an embryonic brain or a nerve center, a command post or something; and here are all these buttons. And you push one of these buttons and certain lights go on and certain motions take place. A doctor takes his hammer, his little rubber hammer, and taps somebody on the knee cap and the, and the leg flies out. And he says, "Well your central nervous system's in good condition." In other words he's saying that epicenter's connected, because he can come along and by the application of mechanical motion, create a structural response. Now that's what an epicenter is, it's just a push button. It's built in structure and it has neurons, synapses and so on. It's just the mechanics of a body.

LRH: Oh, that's a different show. Do they send people down here to Earth?

Now here's this big switchboard. Who's running it? The theta being is the person who's supposed to be running it, amongst other things. He can do lots of things besides run this switchboard. As long as you are the theta being, then anybody could theoretically come along and run this switchboard, particularly a theta being. The somatic entity actually is very, very low in command power, compared to the theta being. But before, before this Earth body was joined up by a theta being or any entities, it was running along just fine. It was thinking, it was operating, it was acting, it was not too intelligent, it was not too fast. You get a preclear sometime back to a time when you have him with a theta body and he's in the, in a sloth, and he is thinking. I had that experience one time. I think I blew a line charge for a long while. "Now I am going to think." Signal for action.

PC: The thing I get is "Yep, not me.

Now heretofore, before this theta being and the entities joined this body, the somatic entity then was in complete charge of this switchboard button control. And it could walk up to this button control you might say, and say, "Well we lift this arm, we lift this leg, and we lift this arm, we lift this leg," bump bump bump bump, push push, operating on epicenters to do this sort of thing. Your switchboard system is tapped and that hits the other control centers and these things operate, muscles flex and blood runs and all sorts of interesting things happen in this carbon/oxygen engine. So along comes the theta being. A child has a rather hard time of it, has to learn how to handle a switchboard. The child is quite intelligent. The theta being of the child is usually on the beginning of a cycle, very alert.

LRH: Not you, huh? But you know about this?

And so what do we get? We get a pilot, an untrained individual rather, shoved into suddenly, the cockpit of a B-47. There he sits with controls, controls, controls, controls. How does he hook up to the controls? How does he operate this mechanism? The body, the theta, the body is joined by the theta being and the other entities just before birth. And these beings have the strange obsession that they have to join the body by an entrance through the mouth. Odd, this is an old, old, old superstition and it's evidently true. But it's just a compulsion. They don't have to do that at all. And it's just before birth ordinarily, when this happens. The somatic being, entity is running the body up to that point. Alright, the theta being joins in. The next thing you know it starts to say, "How do we move an arm here? Which button?"

PC: Yep.

We've all had lots of periods now, many lives when these buttons so, but there's a button around here someplace. And it also has to sort of train this body into it's responses. And so between the two you get a year or two before the baby is able to care for its whole body and operate. Now it gets along for quite a while. Children are quite responsive. They get, they're very good. And along about six, seven, eight, nine, a child is very accurate, his reaction time is very good. And then of course somebody comes along and punishes him or sends him to school or tortures him or grinds him up for hamburger, does something to him. And at that moment, the theta being fails. Well one of the things that it fails on school by the way, is it knows it. It knows all this. And then somebody comes along and says, "Now you have to learn this and we're going to punish you unless you learn it," and resultant confusion. "Why do I have to learn what I know?" And you get an awful confusion at that point and that starts to send the theta being down in tone.

LRH: Well, that's fine. What do they do? What are you ...

Well from there on out, it takes maybe just one operation, one accident, the theta being goes back of the switchboard and one by one these other entities will take over that switchboard. And the theta being is trying to operate through these other entities. Delegation of authority. He says, "I can no longer trust myself. Maybe Pete can do it. Maybe Bill can do it. Maybe Sue can do it." But what is this now? You're getting, you're getting one being going out and others, and other entities cutting in. But you're still getting the theta being operating on a level of awareness which is very, very, very low, but sometimes being quite intelligent if it's not taking any of the responsibility, and so it pushes solutions through.

PC: Sort of a competition.

Although the body is very definitely in the hands of some entity, the theta being pushes the solutions through of a problem here or a problem there. And sometimes it comes through quickly and sometimes it comes through very slowly. And you can actually snap the theta being into giving you responses, simply by asking for flash answers. This is your manifestation. He's not really just a file clerk. He's not a file clerk at all, actually. You're trying to reach the beingness of a person in this way.

LRH: Oh, there's a competition between the two. What are the Venus people? What are they trying to do? Huh?

Now when you start to audit this person the first thing that you ought to know is how many psychos do you have on your hands? That's the first thing you want to know. Who's stuck on the track? What is psychosis? You can reduce psychosis to this definition. Psychosis is the condition of an entity or idle spirit you might say, moving in to control, but being stuck on the track. Now that, that's psychosis; trying to control, stuck on the track. Now you can just throw away what you know about circuits, 'cause I'll show you what circuits are in a moment. But there is your basis on psychosis and also on neurosis. There's your basis on it.

PC: Take over.

What's our goal then? If you have a psychotic entity on your hands, your problem is a very simple problem all of a sudden. You don't have to worry much about a circuit. What you have to worry about is how do we get the preclear moving on the track, because for all intents and purposes and for the moment of your auditing, that entity that you're trying to audit is, is the preclear. Now you have to audit this entity, usually through the preclear, or you can audit this entity direct. It all depends on how high you are on the tone scale.

LRH: They're trying to take over Earth. Well, what about the Mars people, what are they trying to do?

Now here you have then, a simple problem of finding out where he's stuck in the track and in what kind of an incident he's stuck. First, what entity is stuck, when is he stuck, and run it out. That's you run it out with thought, emotion and effort, routine procedure. Now if you can't contact him very well, you can do such tricks as making him remember something absolutely real. Or you can ask the preclear's higher levels to simply move in over this entity, possess the entity and boom him through the incident. Entity doesn't like that, but you can actually move in over the top of one of these entities and just grind him through the incident. He can't do anything about it, he won't even protest. But when they're very soundly out of communication and quite asleep, quite unconscious and so on, you quite often have to do this because they think this is happening just now. There's the big mistake they make in time. It seems to them that this place they're stuck and the incident which they're running is now. That is the manifestation of psychosis, the timelessness of an incident and the conviction that the incident is happening now.

PC: Take over.

Alright, with thought, emotion and effort then; either by making the preclear move over the top of the entity and push it on through, or directly to the entity making it go on through, or if you're high enough on the level, just moving in and going on through it yourself; you then bring this entity out of its era and you bring it into present time, in other words. And one after another you spot and straighten up these entities. Now you're going to find out, because of this little trick which I say might possibly be going on at this time on another planet, you may find out that you pick up each one of these sub-entities and you'll have to kick them over and run out a death on a simultaneous time track.

LRH: Mm-hm.

You run out this death on them if there's, if it's there, because they're very ordinarily stuck in it if it's in restimulation at all. But if it's not, don't bother with it, just make sure they're in present time. And get the theta being of the individual alive, awake and alert as soon as possible. Get that being audited then, because that's what you're trying to address your auditing to. And the only reason you're trying to take these entities and other things present out of the way, is that you just want them out of the way so that you can audit this theta being. That is what you are doing. That's a very simple job. It becomes much simpler, much, much simpler as a concept, than any we have had before.

PC: They're trying to keep it running, I guess.

Now get this about circuits. A circuit is quite real, but a circuit happens to be a being, an entity or an idle one, mimicking. And you know, a preclear goes low enough on the tone scale will get into a physiological rapport or a mental rapport with somebody and will mimic, mimic, mimic. That's hypnotism. And these, these entities will actually copy other people. They'll copy other people so thoroughly that they'll get their identity confused with those people. Thoroughly confused with them so that you get this kind of a manifestation. You start running this entity back and you find this entity is somebody that the person knew one time or another, and it isn't at all.

LRH: Is Venus the new attack?

You can shake this loose rather rapidly by just blowing a few locks. This entity will make an effort to control your preclear by imitating the people who have controlled your preclear. That's the goal or the compulsion was laid in by people who wanted to control them and so their efforts to control will be efforts to punish. So one of the first they'll do is try to influence thought. If that fails they'll influence emotion. If that fails they will turn on somatics and hold them on. Or they will simply imitate some person who has been able to control the preclear, such as papa, mama, teachers, something like that. They'll imitate the mannerisms and activities of this and so control the preclear.

PC: Yep.

Actually the recognition, the recognition of their existence and that they do have an identity which is distinct and separate from the people they are imitating and the recognition on the part of the theta being that that entity is there, practically kills their power. The case of the chronic somatic is something that you'll often find yourself resolving in fifteen or twenty minutes simply by building up a recognition on the part of the theta being.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Now when we've talked about communicating with your hand, communicating with your liver, communicating with somebody else, what you were doing was taking one of these entities or the theta being and pushing them as a control, into an area which they had not hitherto controlled. Now you can do this with any of the entities. You can coax any entity there to take over control of any area. Well you'd better ask yourself what is the basic purpose of this entity toward the theta being? What is the thirst to control of this entity? Because after you've done a good ARC job and you've said, "Now you want to get in control of this one, you want to get in control of that one, you want to move in on this, and let's get some affinity with your hand, and let's get, this or that," well you find out that you've put a schlook in there. And the next thing you know, the fellow who only had a mild ache and arthritis in one finger, and now his whole hand has arthritis.

PC: This time I get a little fear riding in here.

What do you want to put? Because you as an auditor actually can assist them to establish this thing. An E-meter will prevent you from making this mistake, but you should be able to prevent yourself from making this mistake anyway. Because an entity that will hurt a preclear or harm him is pretty bad. The theta being of an entity is usually very well intentioned toward him. Very well intentioned and would not hurt him, would not hold a somatic, would not hold an aberration up. All a theta being will do is more or less doze off and go to sleep.

LRH: Oh, you got a little fear. That's the new attack, huh?

PC: Yeah.

[This final section of HCL 21 "ANATOMY OF THE THETA BODY" is not on the old reel but is included in R&D volume 10. It continues on directly from the preceeding paragraph.]

LRH: Has anybody got one of your bodies on Venus?

Now, that's fortunate for us.

PC: Nope.

That's not true of the entities. They don't just doze off and go to sleep. If you wake them up suddenly, they hardly knew where they were or why they were there or anything else - all of a sudden they say, "Ah! Somebody to control. Flesh!" And zing! they go right into standard operation. You've seen human beings do this. A 1.5 comes along, walks into a classroom of little kids and so forth and says, "Which one can I control first?" just that. Little Johnny over there happens to be sucking his thumb or something of the sort and they - whap! whap! It's nothing to them that johnny's sucking his thumb; it's not going to hurt them any. But it's just that they got to control; they got to control.

LRH: Nobody has got a body of yours on Venus? Okay.

[At tiis point there is a gap in the original recording.]

Anybody get a "yes" on that?

.. entities have been so hammered and pounded and driven by the compulsive attitude of people who have tried to control us back through history, that - what's their first shift? Each one can do valence shifts, by the way; they can be this or be that. They're very good mimics. And so they become people who have tried to control us and their only method of operation that they know or can follow, unless they're brought up to a point where they'll think again, is to force with pain, to force with threat, to force with aberration, a MEST-force operation on the preclear. So when a preclear has a chronic somatic, you know immediately that he has an entity that is trying to force something on to him and that this entity is not the theta being. It tells you that immediately.

Female voice: Yes.

This preclear is auditing himself continually, continually, continually, continually without any slightest gain. What's happening? One of his entities has decided this is a wonderful way to torture him. Of course, it's perfectly true that you could clear up one of these entities or clear up the theta being and say, "Okay, audit the rest of them." And he would! And do a good job of it. But the accident would be where one of the entities just learns how to audit. There we go. And they'll very carefully run the incident half out and leave it. They'll very carefully jam every theta being present somewhere on the track. And they'll work at it and work at it and work at it and work at it. It gets pretty grim after a while.

Male voice: Mm-hm.

Now our task then is, as ever, a task of differentiation: learning to differentiate. Differentiate amongst the beingnesses of a person in an effort to recover into the power of the theta being the entire control of the individuality, and all the individuality there is in that theta being. To do this is not now very difficult. Imagine how it would be to run a preclear who didn't have any circuits. You just said to him, "Now where are you on the time track?"

Female voice: I did.

And he says, "1861."

LRH: You did.

And you say, "All right. Go to the beginning of the incident and run it (snap) through to the end." No complications. He just goes to the beginning of the incident and with full perceptics, runs it through to the end.

Female voice: I think he was getting some of my fear. I think.

You say, "Go over it again. Go over it again. Over it again. Where are you now?"

LRH: Which one is the most modern civilization? Which is the newest?

"Hmm. 1902."

PC: Newest is Venus.

"What's happening to you?"

LRH: Newest is Venus?

"Oh. I just fell down a sewer pipe."

PC: Yeah.

"Okay, roll it again. Go over it again.

LRH: And Venus has - have electronics down well and ...

Where are you now?"

PC: Yep.

Oh, 1938. Yeah."

LRH: ... other things?

"Well, roll it. Roll it through. Where are you now?"

PC: Yep.

"Present time. Gee, I feet wonderful!"

LRH: They operate in space? System space?

Wouldn't that be nice?

PC: Yes.

Well, that's the kind of auditing you're doing, and as long as you remember that that's the kind of auditing you're doing, you can't get into trouble. Because if you're not doing that kind of auditing, then you've got another theta being that's doing a cross-up on you. So you just get rid of that one first.

LRH: Mm-hm. Who's the referee in this fight? Is there any?

So you see, this thing has become very simple. A lot of questions that we had in the past can go. What's a circuit? A circuit is a psychotic stuck somewhere on the track who keeps mimicking somebody, mimicking Mama or mimicking Papa or doing a mimic job and so on, but quite psychotic. They have data banks. Every one of them has data banks. What do you do about a perceptic shut-off case? Hm. Nothing easier than a perceptic shut-off case. You just find out who it happened to. If the perceptics are shut off, then you're auditing one of them that didn't have it happen to them, or auditing the one that did have it happen to him who's stuck on the track, and so he isn't perceiving. You have to get the being moving on the track, you see, before he can perceive. Well, it's relatively easy to get these beings moving on the track. Well, that's your perceptic shut-off

PC: Feeling I get there is "I am."

Now, what is an out-of-valence case? An out-of-vatence case is a person who has been one being at one time in his life, and has now shifted over and is another one - is an entity or something of the sort. And so, when you try to audit the first beingness he was, you're not auditing with its bank. You're trying to audit things that happened to it with the bank of things it didn't happen to, except as an observer. And you'll find out that maybe there's only one, or possibly two, of these entities observe what is happening to another entity or the theta being. That's very lucky; very'fortunate. Cuts down the amount of observation. The others are completely btotto on the subject. They just don't know. They didn't know what happened at that period of time.

LRH: You are. You the referee of this fight7

So you get somebody and you say, "Well now, what happened when you were eighteen?"

PC: Yes.

And he says, "I don't know. I've never been able to remember that period."

LRH: Does that mean you personally, or Earth?

"All right, try hard. See if you can remember it. Now go on, try hard." You're just working an entity that doesn't have a bank on the year eighteen. So what do you do? If you really want to find out what happened to eighteen you just get him shifted around until you find the entity it did happen to, and it's in that bank. Very simple.

PC: First thought I got on that was "me.

You must be able to differentiate amongst the entities and find out more or less when they were alive - when. If you want to do a job in just one lifetime you can produce very marked results without going earlier than this lifetime with a prectear. Why? Because you can put the theta being of the individual back into power. It doesn't take you too long. You might be able to do it in a half an hour; you might be able to do it in two hours; you might be able to do it in five or ten hours. You can do this.

LRH: You?

The second you get that theta being back into power, you're going to have something in excess of a MEST Clear, so long as that being doesn't suddenly kick out a lot of the data banks. A MEST Clear technically is defined as one who has on record everything there is - everything that's happened to him. Well, so he does - the theta being - have on record everything that's happened to the theta being in that body. But this doesn't mean that he's got a consecutive record of everything in school or a consecutive record of everything that happened to him in the army or something of the sort - some other entity recorded that.

PC: Yeah.

And here you get these cases of sudden amnesia. Person is going along as one entity and studies this and studies that and so forth. And suddenly that entity kicks off over on the other track and sticks, and says, "I'm dead." Which he is, elsewhere. Hasn't any recall all of a sudden. Isn't moving on the track. And suddenly another entity takes over and I think if you examined amnesia cases you would suddenly find the preclear working on a data bank that didn't apply to this life. See how that would be.

LRH: Who are you?

He'd have a full set of skills. All of a sudden he'd be a painter. He never could paint before, but all of a sudden he's got complete amnesia, he doesn't know he's Joe Jones anymore, and he thinks he's Bill Sikes, painter. And here he is out there busily painting and doing a pretty good job of it. The little men in white go find him and give him a few electric shocks, kick him in the stomach, give him a prefrontal lobotomy," generally give him the kind and gentle treatment for which they're noted, and they get his memory back for him; they get his memory back at last. I won't say for what life or when, but you can be sure something will happen.

PC: Okay. Next thought is "Earth."

Now, what is a case of homosexuality? You see a lot of these entities are identifiable as men, identifiable as women. Now, you take a young fellow, he's been going along just fine, he's a boy. Perfectly normal as a boy, and all of a sudden at the age of ten, some other boy seduces him or something of the sort, and after that he's a homosexual. What happened? Well, nothing very complicated about it. Regarding him and giving him approval all of a sudden validated a female entity. And this female entity says, "Aha! I've been validated; now I guess I'm boss around here." Moves in, takes over and that's that! How do you cure it? Straighten it out? Audit the old hag. That's easy. just audit and kick her out.

LRH: Well, is it Earth ...

Now, something else happens, by the way. Very often - you see, it's not normal for people to do this jump cycle and go between lives; that is not laws of the universe. That is something just foisted off, and it's only been temporary. It's happened earlier times, but it's really temporary. It's been going on here for the last thirty-five thousand years, and that's very recent. So this between-lives cycle and diving into the body just before birth is not native to the universe. That just happens to be what goes on here right now - temporary sort of a thing, probably won't last but a few more months. Anyway - unless a lot of these spirits are very well indoctrinated.

PC: Uh-uh.

It's pretty hard to keep a tab on what it's going to be, a boy or a girl. So you et this package of theta beings all advised as to the fact they're supposed to go down there and be a good fellow this time, and it's a woman's body. That's very complex. Or you go down there and you say - the goal that's been appointed - "Now, you're supposed to be a dancer, a beautiful dancer and you're supposed to lure men." Goes down and dives in and it's a boy! Complex sort of a thing. What do you do with a boy's body that's supposed to be a beautiful dancer? "I'm sane, there's nothing wrong with me. Yap, yap. And here's this boy's body and I'm supposed to be a beautiful dancer."

LRH: ... or is it you personally?

You get these terrific conflicts in people in the arts. They're trying hard to carry on in the arts against MEST universe which believes chaos is it. You see, theta is aesthetic and the MEST universe is force. The MEST universe is all past and theta is future. And you get somebody in the arts and he's having a rough time of it anyway, and he gets enough slaps in the face, and the first thing you know, gee, he'll shift sex or valences and he'll be very hair-trigger about things. Very upsetting. He's trying like mad to somehow regain or retain some equilibrium in a world which just isn't tailor-made for aesthetics, that's all. And so he can get into a lot of trouble.

PC: I think it's me personally.

How do you rehabilitate one of these artists? just find out who is the artist. That's all, just find out who is the artist and patch this up and square it around. You may get a fellow who was a great failure in the arts who is all of a sudden happy as a clam to be a house painter. And you may get some fellow who's a house painter that really should be a great dancer. In such wise, the entities, in shifting, will shift goals - and shift them very badly.

LRH: Okay. Good. Tell them to hold off for a while, will you? (audience laughter)

Now, the problem, then, of auditing is just what you know it to be - thought, emotion and effort, with this simplification: you know very well from the behavior of your preclears that you haven't been auditing just one person. They just keep shifting under your hands. Something else - too complex and so on. So you just make sure that you differentiate from entity to entity and try to get them unstuck off the track very neatly and nicely and get the theta being back in power. And if you're going with this preclear on through to Theta Clear, to start bringing up that theta being, bring it up, up, up, up, up, up, up the line, get every kind of an incident you can think of and take that incident off - incidents you'll find on the track map - and you will blow by its horsepower alone the rest of the entities and, of course, blow everything below that level of entity. You'll have a unity, then, which may or may not be modified by its partner.

PC: All right. That's what I've been doing.

This, then, is auditing beings.

LRH: You're not kidding. All right. Now, the old cycle went this way: fellow went back up here and what did he do? Sure, you tell them.

Let's take a break.

PC: Get ...

LRH: Hm?

PC: Feel like it's "get reborn."

LRH: Get reborn. Did his body animate or anything happen up there?

PC: Woke up.

LRH: He woke up. And then what did he do?

PC: This is where we begin to get questioned. I sometimes invalidate my own data on this, because ...

LRH: Is this an area of confusion?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh. The questioning is very confusing. Okay.

Here, then, is his body awakes. And now we've got to report. And here you got ...

PC: Seem kind of confused about what's going on.

LRH: Confused on questions. Well, what did they do? What did they do?

PC: They asked questions, and seems to me that they should know the answers.

LRH: Yeah. What's the purpose in asking the questions?

PC: To confuse me.

LRH: Get you confused?

PC: Yep.

LRH: That's right. Go to the head of the class. Okay. That's one of the first mechanisms of hypnotism, by the way: get the subject confused.

Boy, you're really getting drops on this, aren't you? All right. What's the next thing you do?

PC: Back to Earth.

LRH: Back to Earth.

PC: Die again there.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Die again there and come back to Earth.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what's the procedure? Now, there's a little bit more to it, I'm sure ...

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... than just you simply coming back to Earth.

PC: Yeah, I get on this - come back to Earth - select a body, take over.

[Professional course booklet 17 begins with the session given in the Theta Body Demo lecture and continues it with this session starting here as if they were all part of the same session.]

LRH: Do you get instructions, specific instructions on anything?

PC: Yeah, what to do.

LRH: What to do? Are you stuck someplace in this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Where?

PC: Somewhere in the middle of the instructions.

LRH: What do they do in the middle of the instructions?

PC: Thought I get is that they get confused.

LRH: They start to act confused?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. And what's that do to your confusion?

PC: Really picks it up.

LRH: Yeah. And then what do they do?

PC: They say to go.

LRH: They tell you to forget it or anything there?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Is there any command there to forget your past life that you've just lived?

PC: Boy, I get the first-beautiful first line of a prayer coming in strong.

LRH: Coming in strong. What are you supposed to do? Now, what's the prayer?

PC: just a sec while I get it. "You shall remember the Lord, thy God, all the days of thy life," and thought this - this - or something or other. Oh, everything will be hunky-dory, and so forth. And this is the same one we ran into, or I ran into, in the middle of what I thought to be Fac One, first time.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It got tangled up with that.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was kind of startled when I found out what it was I was remembering.

LRH: Mm-hm. Does this knock out the past life that you just left?

PC: No. Makes me forget it.

LRH: Makes you forget it.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Why do you forget it?

PC: Because I'm remembering to forget it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You have to remember to forget it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What else do you have to do about this? Anything else? How about your skills, vocation?

PC: You have to relearn all this.

LRH: Oh, you're told you have to relearn everything.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Great. Fine, fine. Now, confused questioning, and told to relearn, and you're told to forget.

PC: Seem to have been bothered some in this lifetime, though; I don't like schools.

LRH: Past life. Yeah, you probably knew all this scenery. After a guy learns arithmetic a hundred times, it gets to be awfully ... You start to rebel and somebody says, "two times two," and you say it's eight, or anything.

Female voice: I came up with five.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Three point nine-nine.

LRH: Now, what goes on there? You forget - forget your past lives and so forth?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. And then what happens?

PC: The thought I get there is then down to Earth and find a body; it's apparently been selected.

LRH: Mm-hm. How's it selected? You given a street and number or anything like that?

PC: No. Seem to be tuned in on it.

LRH: Oh? Tuned in on the body.

PC: Yeah. The damn feeling I get is just about - scooting in just about like an arrow - floating right in on it.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Like a homing pigeon, almost.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Or a guided - guided missile homing in.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yep.

LRH: And there it is, right sex, right everything.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Yeah. Fine. All tailor-made. At what period in the development of that body is this?

PC: Just before birth.

LRH: That's right. Okay.

But here goes the body to sleep again, huh? Or is it you are told you're dead?

PC: No. Sleep - about the only thing. Suspended animation, something like that, but not dead.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: Never die.

LRH: Right. And then you depart, huh?

PC: Yep.

LRH: How many - how long are you there, generally?

PC: You mean back there?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I guess ten minutes.

LRH: About ten minutes? Mm-hm.

Female voice: He's busy.

LRH: Not very long, is it?

PC: Damn busy trip.

LRH: Okay. So, here we go.

Is that a specific time before birth? Ten minutes, fifteen hours, twenty hours, a hundred hours, two days? What is it?

PC: Ten minutes sounds about right.

LRH: About ten minutes. That's right.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Okay. Ten minutes. What - what would you say this span is between death and birth again?

PC: Ten minutes.

LRH: About that. That's right. Sometimes fifteen. Ah!

PC: I'm in a hurry.

LRH: And this is birth; here we go again. That's interesting. Now, is there anything wrong with your telling me about this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What's liable to happen?

PC: Not supposed to tell.

LRH: Who said so?

PC: They.

LRH: They said so.

PC: This is during conditioning.

LRH: Is this early conditioning?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Now, how did you get into that rat race in the first place?

PC: It was all part of an experiment which I'm interested in conducting.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what...

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: ... theta universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: First slide over into MEST universe - this is something we ran about - be about five, six days ago.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yep. Slide over into the MEST universe as an experiment, to see what it's like to control things in the MEST universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Not control them, but to - well, to operate - get to know it better if you're in it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... than you can from without.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're talking like this is a sales talk from somebody.

PC: That's exactly the way I got it.

LRH: That is a sales talk. Okay. How did you get into this last thirty-five-thousand year ... How long ago was it by the way, when you met up with these Martians?

PC: It's thirty thousand, I said that the other night.

LRH: About thirty thousand.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. How long did you report back? What's the last time you reported back? Any entity or beingness of yourself ? What was the last time you reported?

PC: One week ago.

LRH: About a week ago. Mm-hm. Was that about a week ago? Day ago? Day ago? Week ago?

PC: Mm-day ago. Day ago or week ago; it - they both seem to be okay.

LRH: Both seem to be okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Welt, you recall that I sent you up there the other night.

PC: That was a day. But a week ago it also happened.

LRH: Oh, it also happened about a week ...

PC: Yeah, that was when I was getting audited.

LRH: Pretty rough? Okay.

PC: We've been blowing things.

LRH: But I mean, to find a live body and go on through the routine.

PC: Oh, no, that's a day ago.

LRH: You did a day ago? Find the body and go through the whole routine?

PC: Yeah. No, I didn't go through the routine. No.

LRH: You found a body.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's right.

PC: Found one waiting around.

LRH: Okay. Okay. Now, this whole cycle has been going on for a long time, now, hasn't it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Would you sort of say you must be, thetawise, completely indestructible to take all of this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Gee, you mean these aberrations we've got and so forth aren't quite as important as we thought they were.

PC: Nope.

LRH: Neither would be this hypnotism or anything else. Look at how many times it could happen to you.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why, you'd think that'd normally kill a person, to get hit this many times, wouldn't you?

PC: To die again could kill a normal guy.

LRH: Normal guy. Yep.

Now, here you have then, your life-death, death-life cyclic action. The various other periods that have happened in history similar to this are not too dissimilar from it. It's a pattern: MEST universe gets itself in a rut very easily, so on.

Now, in the MEST universe various other strange things have happened to people than what I've pointed out on the track between this between-lives cycle. This cycle is really much more important to an individual than many others, but it doesn't ride timelessly. It has the characteristic of putting somebody on a time track, doesn't it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What we're calling Fac One is important because it floats somebody off of a time track.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, therefore, Fac One has a timeless characteristic. But this thing has a well-timed characteristic. What happens when you do the same action over and over and over? You took up in the Axioms and you find out that's a static, so each one of these cycles has a tendency to be. Now, do you consider this sort of static?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long you been on Earth? Oh, you already gave me that. You've thought about that.

Now what's this business about Venus?

PC: just another group.

LRH: How did you get caught in this - you didn't tell me the answer to that question. How did you get caught in this rat race?

PC: This one?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... thought is I get captured.

LRH: Did you volunteer?

PC: Nope.

LRH: Were you captured?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What else did they say?

PC: Didn't say anything else at all.

LRH: just captured. Shot down here?

PC: Knocked down. Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm. Here we go.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now, had you been free just before you were captured?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm. Had you been free for a while?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Proud of yourself?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you "know" just before you were captured?

PC: First thing on it is "Yes" and followed by a real big "No. Better not."

LRH: Okay.

PC: There it goes!

LRH: There it goes on the machine.

Okay - now. Now, who's this that's very interested there in Venus? Somebody spoke up around here.

Female voice: I did.

LRH: Well, you give her the cans and let's find out what happens around there.

[to male pc] Okay, thank you very much.

& LRH: Now, anybody... What did you do since the last time you run this thing? Did you run anything?

& PC: I've been doing some running ... [unintelligible]

& LRH: OK. I'm not embarrassing ... [unintelligible] OK.

& PC: Theta bop ... [unintelligible]

& LRH: ... [unintelligible]

& PC: Well, we put them back up the line again.

LRH: Okay. Do you have a body on Venus?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, what do you know? You got a body on Venus that's in pawn; that is to say, something holding it?

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: Did you try this

PC: ... it's operating, but it's kind of in pawn, too.

LRH: Oh, it's operating.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It's walking around?

PC: Mmm. Mentally functioning, not physically.

LRH: Oh, it's functioning mentally.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do they tell it things to tell you?

PC: No. I just - I'm communicating with it, but it's ...

LRH: Can you communicate with it right this minute?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. What's it looking at right this minute? Boy, are you communicating with it! Look at that drop!

PC: It's looking at a desk chart, not with graphs, but - how can I describe it? Sort of button lights is about the best thing I can do.

LRH: Button-light graph.

PC: Uh-huh. In the functioning of it, it just thinks which light it wants to light to perform certain duties and ...

LRH: Could you push it? When are you supposed to push it? Are you supposed to push it, or supposed to not to?

PC: No, whenever I feel it's necessary.

LRH: Are you under orders to push it?

PC: Well, I'm jerking like mad, Ron.

LRH: Are you under a - now, just a minute. Are you under a signal basis?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Are you a communication channel?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Are you a comm point?

PC: A type - I'm more of a relay point.

LRH: Relay point. Relay point between Earth and Venus?

PC: In a way, yeah.

LRH: In a way. Now, did you ever hear of space station 33?

PC: No. Fifty-six.

LRH: Space station 56.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You in space station 56?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. You ever in communication with space station 33?

PC: No, nothing to do with it.

LRH: This machine says that you are.

PC: Well, I don't like him!

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: I do things my way.

LRH: That's bad, huh?

PC: No, I think it's good to do things my way.

LRH: Who is space station 33 commanded by?

PC: A man.

LRH: Uh-huh. What's his name?

PC: Oh, I - blah - I can't say it. Uh ...

LRH: Well, you got a name.

PC: Numbers there.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It doesn't mean the same as here.

LRH: Doesn't, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever hear of Arohohn?

[Professional Course booklet 17 spells this name Arol Olen.]

PC: No.

LRH: No? Arohohn. Never heard of him, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Is he on space station 33?

PC: I got a no and a yes and a no on that one.

LRH: You're not supposed to tell, are you?

PC: No, it's a big secret.

LRH: Big secret.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's the matter with Arohohn?

PC: He's a jerk.

LRH: You don't like him, huh? Well, he's not the fellow on your operating board at 33 - he's in command of 33, isn't he?

PC: Yeah, but ...

LRH: You don't like him, huh?

PC: They don't know anything. Men don't know how to organize things.

LRH: Is he in command of your 56?

PC: Yes. Men don't know how -

LRH: They don't know how to organize well, do they?

PC: No, they sure don't.

LRH: Particularly if they're working on Earth.

PC: Anyplace.

LRH: All right.

Picking up this story about this Venus contact. What is this Venus contact, now? You've got space station 33 and space station 56. Were there other space stations there?

PC: Oh, yeah, about two hundred of them altogether, I think.

LRH: Two hundred of them.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which is central?

PC: Well, one - they've got the system worked out so it goes in odd numbers. One, three, five and then it goes into the twenty-three, twenty-five. There are - I mean, it is set up on relays from the odd numbers and then there's major relay points from ...

LRH: What do they communicate?

PC: Instructions.

LRH: Well, come on. Give me a sample dispatch.

PC: Oh!

LRH: Well, give me a sample dispatch.

PC: uh ... Well, there's terrific conflict here.

LRH: You want me to show you a dispatch you sent about a half an hour ago? Oh, you didn't send one a half an hour ago. You sent one about forty minutes ago.

PC: About twenty minutes ago I was to go asleep - I nearly did - while you were talking before.

LRH: Mm-hm. Had to concentrate, didn't you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How does it feel to run two bodies?

PC: Well, being in such close contact, which I've never done before, it feels very odd. Like ...

LRH: Confusing, is it?

PC: Distressing. I'm not quite used to it yet.

LRH: Is this Venusian effort mainly directed at - mainly directed at a conquest of Earth?

PC: Well, it's kind of indirect conquest of Mars.

LRH: Indirect conquest of Mars. What's wrong with Earth?

PC: Well, it's more or less of a focal maneuvering point. You know, like the Aleutian Islands, I or something like that, I mean ...

LRH: Earth isn't important in this sequence, is it?

PC: Only as a matter of getting at Mars through the back door or sideways, or something like that.

LRH: Hm. Nobody in this whole crew is interested in Earth, are they?

PC: Mm-no, not really.

LRH: What's Earth? Boy, are you shaking.

PC: You're telling me! I'm not looking at the dial.

LRH: Okay. Well ... My, am I taking information here that I shouldn't take?

PC: How right you are!

LRH: Well, believe me, I can take it. Don't ...

PC: I don't know if I can take any more of this or not, though.

LRH: Were you operating directly contrary to orders7

PC: Mm-just about as direct as you can get it. (sigh)

LRH: Mm-hm. What if you had a dispatch cleared through your hands right now that said okay?

PC: Mmm-it just wouldn't come. I mean, that's ...

LRH: It wouldn't huh? All right, we'll continue with this. Earth isn't important, then, to Venus, is it?

PC: Not to them - capturing it and using it.

LRH: What's the matter with Earth?

PC: It doesn't have anything to offer. I mean, they can't do anything.

LRH: Too heavy?

PC: They're stupid.

LRH: Gravity too heavy down here?

PC: Yeah, but I mean, we could overcome that. It's this civilization isn't developed enough to make any use out of it particularly.

LRH: Mm-hm. What, is this a prison planet?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that one of the reasons you shy off of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is one of your general orders not to land on Earth?

PC: Unless necessary.

LRH: Unless an emergency.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Who signed the general order?

PC: Oh, two people.

LRH: How long has it been outstanding?

PC: The orders?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh, about two thousand years, anyway.

LRH: Two thousand, anyway.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Two thousand anyway? Is that all?

PC: Well ...

LRH: How about ten thousand?

PC: More like six to eight.

LRH: That's longer than you've been around there.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is your concentration making you neglect the board?

PC: Yeah. I'm getting hell ...

LRH: Is there a dispatch sitting on that board?

PC: Yeah, I'm getting hell for it, too.

LRH: Well, clear it.

PC: "Drop the cans!" (laugh)

LRH: How long have you been a communications relay point down here?

PC: Mm-Oh, how long have I been down here?

LRH: How long-how long...

PC: I've just been here from...

LRH: ... have you been a communications relay point?

PC: About two thousand years.

LRH: Mm-hm. You've been going through the Earth line for two thousand yearc?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Have you been going through the Earth line two thousand years?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Longer?

PC: No, not going through the Earth line but only about two, three thousand years as a communications ...

LRH: You've been a communications point down here for the last generation?

PC: Oh, yeah. Longer than that.

LRH: Did it happen in this life?

PC: Mm-hm, yeah.

LRH: Yeah. At the beginning of this life?

PC: Before this life.

LRH: Oh, it happened before this life?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about 1780?

PC: More like 1860.

LRH: Been here since 1860.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're not giving me the hot dope.

PC: Trying hard not to.

LRH: Trying hard not to, huh? And making sense too.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Well, you're in very safe hands. Do you think the back of Mars is busted?

[Professional Course booklet 17 says "Do you think the Bank of Mars is busted?". Both R&D 10 and an older freezone transcription say "back of Mars", but the tape is poor quality - Ed.]

PC: No, that's the difficulty.

LRH: Well, what about the operation that took place around here recently?

PC: Which one?

LRH: Oh, I'd say their control of Mars - control of Earth is certainly kind of busted up here a little bit.

PC: Mm-hm, some slight extent. Amidst ...

LRH: Well, what about the next step?

PC: ... the confusion, but the government is still pretty solid.

LRH: On Mars, still pretty solid. What do you get on the board on it?

PC: A lot of red lights flickering right across the top of the board.

LRH: What do you see?

PC: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

LRH: You got a viewer there that demonstrates anything on Mars?

Anything going on, on Mars?

PC: No.

LRH: Is there one available? What are you, a communications operator?

PC: Yeah, a relay ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, you know the dispatches that come through there.

PC: Mm-I'd say that this confusion ...

LRH: Lot of activity?

PC: There's about two or three other groups trying to come in, but the main central or governing group, so to speak, has - is still pretty much functioning.

LRH: They upset lately?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What are they upset about, I wonder?

PC: Oh, they feel we're getting too close.

LRH: Who's getting too close?

PC: We are.

LRH: Venus.

PC: Uh ...

LRH: Venusians.

PC: No, not Venus.

LRH: Earth?

PC: Dianetics.

LRH: Well, it ought to be. All right. Now, let me ...

PC: They don't call it that up there. That was the dispatch - why the hesitation.

LRH: Uh-huh. They don't call it that up there.

PC: Hm.

LRH: They didn't have it up there, did they?

PC: No, they don't have it up there.

LRH: That's right. All right. Now, would you say offhand .. What did you get a surge on?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Am I going up against a communicator's oath here?

PC: Yeah. A bridge [breach?] of oath, ethics, and ...

LRH: Mm.

PC: ... anything else ou want to call it.

LRH: And I'm going right straight up against it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Was this implanted into you in some fashion or other, and that's why you're shaking?

PC: Yeah - I'm kind of made with it - so to speak.

LRH: Mm-hm. It's fighting back?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: When was it installed?

PC: When I was first given the communications job.

LRH: Mm-hm. You been faithful to it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Tell me, is there any sex amongst these people?

PC: Of a type, but not sex as we know it.

LRH: No. Do you breathe air up there?

PC: No.

LRH: Do you eat food?

PC: Absorb it, is the thought I got, rather than ...

LRH: So it's an electronic body ...

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... with a mind.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Imagine that. What's the temperature in the domes?

PC: About 250 to 280.

LRH: 250 to 280 what?

PC: (laugh) I don't want to tell you! I guess you'd say centigrade. I don't know.

LRH: How does it feel on your skin? Feel about the same as this room feels on your skin? Cooler?

PC: Mm ...

LRH: Hotter?

PC: It's about the same, maybe a little warmer but certainly comfortable.

LRH: Mm-hm. That's more or less correct. What's on the back of the moon?

PC: People. Of a type - living organisms.

LRH: What's the number of the station on the back of the moon?

PC: Thirty-three!

LRH: That's correct. Okay.

And so we conclude this evening's lecture (audience laughter) and I wish to show you there - this is some of the action in which we have been involved and by the way, her answers are all correct. Very good. Very good show. You probably would have been shot tomorrow morning if you'd answered otherwise. (audience laughter)

PC: I'll probably be shot tomorrow morning or dismembered and put together again, anyways.

LRH: Why?

PC: For giving up some of this information.

LRH: Oh, no. No, it cleared through control central.

PC: Okay. I'll take your word for it, tonight.

Now, we're here talking about auditing, not politics. (audience laughter) And none of you people would, of course, be political pawns - naturally not. And some of the things which you experience and some of the conflicts which go on would, of course, be completely unbelievable to many, since it's supposed to be that way. But an auditor can break through any of this and break through it badly.

What will happen as a result of this is quite interesting. I would advise you, as soon as possible, to become as Clear as possible because ... Well, one never knows, does one? And it would be very, very nice to have on Earth a very sane society which was highly constructive and which was capable of carrying on without an impetus and without orders from elsewhere.

This would actually be just a monkey society if nobody had ever taken a hand in it, I suppose. But I'm not here to theorize and I'm not here to guess. I'm just talking to you about Dianetics and Scientology. And what I know about these things is, of course, very slight, and I hope that you will invest quite a bit of time in auditing.

And merely as an aside, in order to protect your preclear against suddenly having nightmares or something of the sort - regardless of whether you believe it or not or place any credence in it or not - just encourage him to knock off those bodies that he has that are extra bodies elsewhere. It's not that it's merely upsetting to the Martian regime; it is not that it is very effective in restoring his health, but you certainly cannot expect an individual who is pinned down someplace and can be put under pain from a remote distance, to become Clear. So just encourage him to knock them off.

Actually, they knock off relatively easily; the operation has been going on too long. And completely as aside, don't worry about flying saucers.

Thank you very much.