Okay. We have now a little example on exteriorization. I want to give you first the I routine for exteriorization and I do mean the routine.

Okay. And this is a processing session here. I want to put one remark on here, just so it’ll be on tape. As I said, we didn’t cover entirely all The Factors. One of them is ownership. A person can’t get mock-ups of something he doesn’t have some ownership of. You get your individual who doesn’t have mock-ups and his ownership is way down. He gets into ownership because he has to protect something. So that minus Tone Scale, of course, is part of the Tone Scale. I merely wanted to call to your attention when I said “Tone Scale,” I meant Tone Scale in Scientology 8-8008.

You ask a preclear to “Be three feet back of your head” and when he is with some I certainty or without even much certainty, you ask him for three places he is not. You never ask him where he is. Until he is absolutely certain of his location and volunteers.

All right. Let’s get some things now you don’t have to know.

I the fact, you never send him to various portions of anywhere. You just start asking him к for “places he’s not.” “Be three feet back of your head.” “Give me some places you’re not.” Then you can run off, actually, the rest of Step la of 8-C if you want to. It is designed for that.

And let’s get somebody else and get some things this person doesn’t have to know.

Now, if you ask him where he is, you’ll actually upset him. If you ask him to go to specific places and he doesn’t know where he is already, you’ll upset him further. If you start sending him places immediately when he’s completely uncertain and shaky about the thing, you’ll turn on an automaticity-it may send him places.

Let’s get some certainty on that now. Let’s not just fog around on it, let’s get some real certainty. Things this person really doesn’t have to know.

In other words, what you want to do is to run the lightest that you can run after a person is exteriorized.

Okay. Dispose of that person. Let’s get two more people and let’s get some things one of these doesn’t have to know from the other.

All right. We’ll give you an example of this.

And let’s dispose of those. And get somebody else and get some things this person doesn’t have to know from you.

LRH: [to pc] George, be three feet back of your head.

Okay. And let’s get some things you don’t have to know from this person.

Now give me three universes you’re not buttered all over.

Okay. Now let’s get some things you don’t have to duplicate.

PC: I’m not buttered all over my universe.

Let’s get another person and get some things this person doesn’t have to duplicate.

LRH: Okay, give me another one that you’re not buttered all over.

Get a couple of other people and get some things that one of them doesn’t have to duplicate about the other one.

PC: My Home Universe.

All right. Now let’s get another-throw those away-and get another person there and get some things this person doesn’t have to duplicate about you.

LRH: Okay. One more.

Let’s throw that person away. And get another person and get some things you don’t have to duplicate about this person.

PC: [sighs] Your universe.

All right. Let’s throw that away.

LRH: Okay. Be three feet back of your head and find a nothingness somewhere, [pause] Got it?

Now let’s get some things you don’t have to control.

PC: No.

Let’s get another person and get some things this person doesn’t have to control.

LRH: Can’t find a nothingness?

Throw that person away. Two other people and get some things that one of them doesn’t have to control about the other one.

PC: No.

Okay. Throw them away. And get another person and get some things this person doesn’t have to control about you.

LRH: Can you get a nothingness of your body?

Let’s throw that away. And get another person and get some things you don’t have to control about this person.

PC: Kind of the idea of it.

Okay. Throw that person away.

LRH: Well, can you get an idea of it?

And now let’s get some things you don’t have to own.

PC: Yes.

Let’s get another person and get some things this other person doesn’t have to own.

LRH: All right. Is that nothingness giving you orders?

Throw that person away. Get two other people and get some things one of these doesn’t have to own that belonged to the other one.

PC: No.

Throw those away. And get somebody else and get some things this person doesn’t have to own that are yours.

LRH: No. You certain of that?

And get some things you don’t have to own that belong to this other person. Let’s throw that away. And let’s get some things you don’t have to protect. Get somebody else and get some things this person doesn’t have to protect.

PC: Yes.

All right. Throw that person away. Get two other people and get some things one of them doesn’t have to protect about the other one. Or doesn’t have to protect the other one from.

LRH: Let’s get another nothingness that isn’t giving you orders.

And throw that away. Get somebody else and get some things this other person doesn’t have to protect you from.

PC: [sighs] Nothing is-just make a thought.''

Throw that away. And you get a person and some things you don’t have to protect this person from.

LRH: Okay. Now give me three places you’re not.

Okay. Throw that person away. Now get some things for which you do not have to be responsible.

PC: Not in that corner of the room, that corner and that corner.

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LRH: Good. Be three feet back of your head.

Let’s get another person, get some things this person doesn’t have to be responsible for.

PC: Okay.

Throw that person away. And get two other people and get some things one of these doesn’t have to be responsible for the other one for. Or doesn’t have to be responsible about the other one.

LRH: And give me three more places you’re not. [pause] Now get real certain about this.

All right. Throw those away. And get another person and get some things this person doesn’t have to be responsible for, concerning you.

PC: Notin El Cerrito.

And throw that person away. And get another person and get some things you don’t have to be responsible for, that the other person is doing.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Okay. Now let’s look straight up and find the ceiling.

PC: Not in my room in Phoenix.

Look through the ceiling and find the roof.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Look through the roof and find the sky.

PC: I'm not in close to Phoenix.

Through the sky and find blackness.

LRH: Good. Give me three more places.

Through the blackness and find nothing.

PC: I'm not in the front office here.

And then just know.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Let’s look straight down and find the floor.

PC: Not in the house next door to the left.

Look through the floor and find the Earth.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Look through half of the Earth and find the core of the Earth.

PC: Next door to the right.

Look through the other half of Earth into the sky beyond.

LRH: Okay. Now where aren’t you thinking right now?

Look through the sky into the blackness.

PC: Not thinking on top of the Empire State Building.

Through the blackness and find nothing.

LRH: Okay.

And sit back and know.

PC: Top of the Westward Ho.

Look at the forward wall.

LRH: Good.

Look through the wall and find the next wall.

PC: And underneath this building.

Look through that wall and find the sky.

LRH: Good. Give me three auditors who are not auditing you at this moment.

Look through the sky and find blackness.

PC: Pam, Ross, Lee.

Look through the blackness and find nothing.

LRH: Okay. Give me three more that aren’t auditing you at this moment.

And sit back and know.

PC: John, Tom, Esta.

Look behind you and find the back wall.

LRH: Good. Give me three more that aren’t auditing you at this moment.

Look through the back wall and find the next wall.

PC: Jeannette, Carroll...

Look through the next wall and all the rest of the barriers and find the sky.

LRH: One more.

Look through the sky and find blackness.

PC: Burke.

Look through the blackness and find nothing.

LRH: Okay. Now give me three preclears you are not auditing at this moment.

Sit back and know.

PC: Lee, Bob, Tom.

Look to the right and find the wall.

LRH: Okay. Give me three auditors you are not being audited by at this moment.

Look through the wall and find the next wall.

PC: John, Edna, Jim.

And the sky.

LRH: Good. Three more auditors you’re not being audited by at this moment.

The blackness.

PC: Maida, Dick and Janet.

And nothing.

LRH: Good. Now give me three auditors who aren’t auditing me at this moment.

Sit back and know.

PC: Me, Jeannette...

To the left and find the wall.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Look through the wall and find the sky.

PC: ...and Ross.

Through the sky and find blackness.

LRH: Good. Three more that aren’t auditing me.

Through the blackness and find nothing.

PC: Jim, Joe, Marilyn.

And then sit back and know.

LRH: Good. Three more that aren’t auditing me.

Let’s contact the two back anchor points of the room.

PC: Jonathan, Lulu, Jeannette.

Okay. Now let’s get some things you don’t have to be.

LRH: Mm-hm. Three more.

Get somebody else and get some things this other person doesn’t have to be.

PC: Ed, Brad and Alan.

Get two other people and get some things one of them isn’t trying to make the other be.

LRH: Okay. Now three that aren’t auditing you at this moment.

Dispose of those and get another person. And get some things this person isn’t trying to make you be.

PC: Runa, George, Alphia.

Throw that person away. And get another person and get some things you aren’t trying to make this person be.

LRH: Okay. Now let’s get a wider time view of this. You know, you’ve been in this business a long time now. Give me three auditors that aren’t auditing you.

All right. Throw that person away. And get some things you are not doing.

PC: Marilyn, Dick...

Get somebody else and get some things this person isn’t doing.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Throw that person away. Get two other people and get some things one of them isn’t trying to make the other do.

PC: ...and Smokey Angell.

Discard those and get another person and get some things this person isn’t trying to make you do.

LRH: Okay. And three that are not, on a long-term basis, of the auditors you've known, three that aren’t auditing me.

Discard that person. Get another person and get some things you’re not trying to make this person do.

PC: Um . .. Bruce.

Okay. Throw that person away. And get some things you don’t have to have at this moment.

LRH: Mm-hm. [pause] Two more.

Now get another person and get some things this other person-have this other person get some things this other person doesn’t have to have.

PC: I’ve got a couple, but I can’t get their names. Jack...

Throw that person away. Get two other people and get some things one of these is not trying to make the other one have.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Dispose of those. And get another person and get some things this person is not trying to make you have at this moment.

PC: ...Conrad.

Dispose of that one. And let’s get some things now that you’re not trying to make another person have.

LRH: Okay. And three that aren’t auditing you.

All right Now let’s have you get some things, one thing of which you are not afraid.

PC: John.

Some more. Certainty now. [pause] Get that with certainty.

LRH: Mm-hm.

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PC: Bruce...

All right. Now let’s have another person out there and have this person get at least one thing of which this person isn’t afraid.

LRH: Mm-hm.

All right. Dispose of that. Let’s get two people and let’s get something that one of them isn’t trying to make the other one afraid of.

PC: Joyce.

And let’s get another person out in front of you and get some things of which this person is not trying to make you afraid.

LRH: Good. Let’s be three feet back of your head.

Now dispose of that person. Get another person and get some things of which you’re not trying to make this other person afraid.

Little easier now?

All right. Dispose of that. And let’s get a nothingness of which you’re not afraid.

PC: Little bit, not too much.

And let’s get somebody else and have this person get a nothingness of which he is or she is not afraid.

LRH: Not too much. All right. Give me three places in your body where you aren’t thinking.

Dispose of that person. Get two other people and have one of them get a nothingness of which the other one is not afraid.

PC: Hot thinking in my right foot, left foot, my right kneecap.

Dispose of those. And get another person and have this person get a nothingness of which you’re not afraid.

LRH: All right. Three more places where you’re not thinking.

Dispose of that person. Get another person and you get a nothingness of which this person isn’t afraid.

PC: My lefthand, my abdomen, my pelvis.

Okay. Get a nothingness of people.

LRH: Okay. And give me three auditors that aren’t auditing you at this moment.

A nothingness of Earth.

PC: Melanie, Margaret and Elizabeth.

A nothingness of the room.

LRH: Okay. Three more.

Get nothingness in all directions.

PC: Jonathan, Pam, [sighs] Jim.

Now reach for the two back anchor points of the room, [pause] Hold on to them, don’t think.

LRH: Okay. Now give me three preclears you’re not processing right now.

Be in a place you’d like to be in.

PC: Lee, Edna, Jackie.

Be here.

LRH: Good. And three auditors who aren’t auditing you right now.

Contact the two back anchor points of the room.

PC: Cliff, Wanda, Jerry.

Now find the floor under your feet.

LRH: Good. Three more that aren’t auditing you.

Okay.

PC: Connie, Esta, Vicky.

End of session.

LRH: Good. Give me three techniques that aren’t being used on you at this moment.

PC: Repeater.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Double Terminals.

LRH: Good.

PC: Self Analysis.

LRH: Good. And three auditors who aren’t auditing other auditors.

PC: Hank, he isn’t auditing Alphia.

LRH: Good.

PC: Dick isn ’t auditing Carroll.

LRH: Good.

PC: Pam isn’t auditing Lee.

LRH: Good. Give me three auditing breaks which aren’t being made at this moment.

PC: Not being invalidated, being evaluatedfor, not being made uncertain.

LRH: Not being made what?

PC: Uncertain.

LRH: Good. All right. And three auditors who aren’t auditing you?

PC: Is it all right to start duplicating?

LRH: Well now, there’s no laws against duplicating, not around here.

PC: Jeannette, Ross and Dick.

LRH: Okay. And what auditor in particular isn’t auditing you right now?

PC: Lulu.

LRH: Mm-hm.You sure of that?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Then be three feet back of your head.

PC: A little bit easier.

LRH: Good. Throw up a mock-up of buttering you all over the universe.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw the duplicates away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Be three feet back of your head now and make a duplicate of the room.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mock-up a horse’s body (this is nothing personal), just mock-up a horse’s body that you’re going to say you’ve exteriorized from right now-pretend you’ve exteriorized from this horse’s body.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And get where you’re not in this horse’s body.

PC: I know Гт not in his head, not in his feet, not in his tail.

LRH: Good. Now get exactly where you are located with regard to the horse now.

PC: About three feet above his head.

LRH: Good. Good. Now make the horse go away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Now let’s get a baseball from which you’re exteriorizing.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And get how fine this is to exteriorize from dead horsehide, not live horsehide.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You got that? All right. Now tell me where you’re not in the baseball.

PC: Not in the center of it, not on the seams, not touching it.

LRH: Good. Throw it away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Go awayokay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now let’s get a very, very old man that you’re exteriorizing from at this moment.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Got him?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now tell me where you’re not thinking in his body?

PC: Not thinking in his beard, not thinking in his head, in his chest.

LRH: Good. Throw him away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now let’s be in the place which is most pleasant to you in this life.

PC: Someplace I’ve actually been?

LRH: I don’t care. You’re telling me.

PC: Well, there’s a real nice island in the South Seas.

LRH: Good. You got it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Got it realgood? Has it got good mass?

PC: Mm, fair.

LRH: Fair. Whydon’t you give it some moremass. Make several duplicates of it and push them into it.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Pretty good?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Better?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Take one of the duplicates out and throw it away. Maybe you had too many there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Now mock-up two more duplicates and push it in.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Now let’s get a no-island right along side of it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now which is the most pleasant?

PC: The no-island.

LRH: The no-island. Okay. Now let’s be sitting on top of this no-island and get a no-girl, [laughter]

PC: Okay.

LRH: Pretty good?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now let’s throw all this away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Be three feet back of your head.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And give me three places you’re not.

PC: on the microphone, not on the right-hand upper thumbtack in the bulletin board.

LRH: Good.

PC: And I'm not in the lower back left-hand corner of the room.

LRH: Good. All right. Now, how’s your certainty now of exteriorization? A little better, a little worse, how?

PC: Much better.

LRH: Much better.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: I wonder what could have made it much better. Well.. . All right. Now be three feet back of your head there and mock-up a set of eyes.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Another set.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Another set.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Another set.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Another set.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now let’s mock-up a set and waste them.

PC: Okay.

LRH: How did you waste them?

PC: Squashed them with a big hammer.

LRH: Good. All right. Now let’s take a set of these and see how beautiful they are to look through.

PC: Yes. But got an idea things could be much more beautiful.

LRH: Yeah? Oh, no. Let’s get how beautiful they are to look through and how it’s just the thing, the thing to have, the thing to do.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: M.m-hm.

LRH: Okay. Now, tell me three things you don’t have to know at this moment.

PC: Don't have to know how many people there are in this room.

LRH: Good. Another one.

PC: Don't have to know what time it is... the exact time.

LRH: Good.

PC: [sighs]

LRH: One more.

PC: Don't need to know what’s happening at the North Pole.

LRH: Good. All right. Tell me three more things you don’t have to know.

PC: Don't have to know what’s going on at the city hall.

LRH: Good.

PC: Don't have to know what the temperature is at the center of the Earth.

LRH: Good.

PC: Don’t have to know whether it’s going to rain five months from now.

LRH: All right. Now give me three things of which you don’t have to be certain. [pause] Give me one.

PC: Having trouble.

LRH: Just one, one thing of which you don’t have to be certain.

PC: Don’t have to be certain what nothing is.

LRH: Okay, [laughter] All right, one more.

PC: I don’t have to be certain of how far it isfrom here to the Sun.

LRH: Good.

PC: Reallydon’t have to be certain of what you re going to do in the next few minutes.

LRH: Okay. Good. All right. Now let’s get three questions you’re not being asked.

PC: I'm not being asked my name. Not being asked where I am.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And now I'm not being asked what time it is.

LRH: Good. Now be three feet back of your head there and tell me how your certainty and perception is.

PC: Better, but still not very good.

LRH: Not very good. Well, tell me three places you don’t have to perceive.

PC: Don't have to perceive in back of this building.

LRH: Good.

PC: Don I have to perceive on the Moon.

LRH: Good.

PC: Don't have to perceive what’s going on in the Field Museum in Chicago.

LRH: Good. All right. Now, your perception getting a little better or certainty getting a little better there as we go along or...?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Now tell me three places you don’t have to be this very instant.

PC: Don't have to be in Oakland, Don’t have to be in New York. Don’t have to be in Nashville.

LRH: Good. Three more places you don't have to be at this instant.

PC: Don’t have to be in Austin, Texas. Don’t have to be in Rockford, Illinois. Don’t have to be in Newmarket, Ontario.

LRH: Good. And three things now-three more things of which you don’t have to be certain.

PC: I don’t have to be certain of what everybody else is doing.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: What everybody else has.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: A nd of what everybody else’s certainty is.

LRH: Okay. That’s a cagey one.

All right. Give me three places where it wouldn’t be necessary to be in present time.

PC: Well, it’s not necessary to be in Central Drive-In, not necessary to be in Enis Department Store, not necessary to be in the store across the street.

LRH: All right. Give me three things around here close someplace that it isn’t important for you to smell.

PC: Hmmm. It’s not important for me to smell the air outside right now.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Not important for me to smell some garbage can outside.

LRH: Good.

PC: And it’s not important for me to smell what’s on the porch here.

LRH: Good. Now what emotions don’t you have to combat at this moment? Give me three emotions you don’t have to combat at this moment.

PC: Apathy, grief, serenity.

LRH: Good. Now let’s get-that last one’s real good, isn’t it? You don’t ever have to combat it. [laughter]

All right. Give me three things you’re not trying to be at this instant.

PC: I got cat, man and dog.

LRH: All right. Are you trying to be a man at this instant?

PC: I can take a double look at that.

LRH: Well, give me one...

PC: The answer is no.

LRH: Huh?

PC: The answer is no.

LRH: Okay. All right. Now be three feet back of your head and get a body, no matter what kind of a body.

PC: Mock one up?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And then duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now just continue to duplicate it until you got an awful lot of it.

PC: It r a pitiful looking thing.

LRH: Okay. Get a lot of it.

PC: Actually doesn ’t even have a head.

LRH: Good, [pause] Got lots of them now?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Give them to somebody they’d be acceptable to.

PC: They’d be acceptable to a scarecrow.

LRH: All right. Give them to a scare crow.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now let’s mock-up a little bit better kind of body.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You as sure of this one?

PC: I'm having difficulty getting it.

LRH: Well, get a worse kind of body.

PC: Okay. This one is just kind of a stick figure.

LRH: All right. Now duplicate it a lot of times.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Great. Now give all those to whoever it would be acceptable to.

PC: May be acceptable to a little boy to play with.

LRH: All right. Give them to him.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now get a much worse kind of body.

PC: [yawns]...[laughs] I get a rounded ball sort of face.''

LRH: All right. Good. Now duplicate it several times.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Who’s that acceptable to?

PC: Hm. Acceptable to some other beings that have round-ball bodies.

LRH: All right. Give it to them.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. Now mock-up your body and blow it up.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mock it up and blow it up again.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now mock it up and implode it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mock it up and implode it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Get a nothingness of your body.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw it away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Get a nothingness of the room.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Duplicate it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Throw them away.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Be three feet back of your head.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How are you doing?

PC: Better.

LRH: Doing a lot better? Perception any better?

PC: Blackness right now.

LRH: Blackness. But do you have a feeling of...

PC: Yes.

LRH: ...being more in a unit?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Put a big sphere of blackness around the blackness which you now have.

PC: [laughs] I had to go outside and look at it to make sure it was bigger.

LRH: That a boy! [laughter]

All right. Throw it away and be where you please.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You all right now?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Grab on to two back anchor points of the room.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. End of session.

PC: Thank you.

LRH: Good.

Okay. Any questions about this session? Any new, strange or irrelevant material suddenly show up?

I was using Acceptance Level Processing there, not absolutely necessary, but very interesting. Sometimes on a case like that, why, a person gets a body that’s terribly acceptable to him.

Yes?

Male voice: Was there some reason for sticking to names of auditors who are not auditing you for some reference?

Yes. There was a specific reason. There had been an auditing break on this preclear, an auditing break on George here in the last twenty-four hours, which had spattered him around a little bit. And this person’s name wasn’t coming up, which was why I just kept drum-drum-drum-drum-pound-pound-pound-pound until we finally got the auditor’s name. As soon as we got the auditor’s name, well, we kicked it out.

You see what I was looking for there?

Now that took a long time, didn’t it, George, to unearth? You notice we were-it wasn’t a preclear problem, because we had a fast communication. But it must be an auditor problem because we weren’t getting too much change on the auditor lag. So I changed it off into a present time bracket, more or less. Three auditors that aren’t auditing me and so forth, just so we get shaken up on the subject of auditors a little bit. And we finally get this out.

This is a very indirect method, but a very effective one of recovering sessions and so on.

Another one, with a preclear being a little bit more stable condition, exteriorized, see, a little bit better exteriorization-you just chase him around to all the auditing rooms. And more auditing rooms show up on some preclear that’s been in Dianetics and Scientology. There’s just lots and lots and lots of auditing rooms. And first he finds three of them and then he finds four of them and then he finds eight of them and then he’s got, finally, twenty-five of them and then he’s got thirty-five and then he’s got a couple of hundred. And he’s finally moving around being in this one and that one and the next one and the next and the next and the next, just ziggity-ziggity-zing-a-zing-a-zing-zing.

And then he’s in present time in all of them and says, “What do you know, they’ve redecorated the place.”

Well, as soon as you start to get this kind of a manifestation, you’re snapping him into present time in those places. You’re getting the manifestation of present time elsewhere. See that?

Although the patter I was using on George here was apparently not-although we did have this specific problem we were working out, you generally have a problem you’re working out with a preclear if you’ve done your work well-one kind or another.

Well, although the patter I was using was apparently not very specific and so forth, it was just standard patter. It was varied a little bit here and there and the only process I threw in on him was Acceptance Level Processing. The only reason I threw that in is because he hadn’t yet mentioned that he had a view of his body. So, I was just using this process to get him to mock-up and look at bodies. That’s the only reason we were using that process. Had no deeper significance than that.

Preclear will always read much deeper significance into what you’re doing than what you’re putting there-inevitably.

But the cardinal crime in auditing is to ask somebody where he is. You can ask him Ц if he’s stabilized or if he’s certain he’s outside or something. But “Where are you?” and then start sending him to places when he hasn’t yet answered this question to his own satisfaction...

Now, he has to volunteer the answer to it. I don’t care if it took you fifteen hours, you wait for the guy to volunteer this. And he suddenly says, “You know, I’m sitting right up here in the corner of the room looking down at the whole room.” Okay. So he’s there in the corner of the room. He volunteered the answer. You never ask him for it.

So, you ask him where he’s not, never where he is. You got it?

Female voice: Mm-hm.

Well, we’re late for lunch. Let’s go!