The exploration of the theta lines has been underway for a very long time. It has been underway, certainly, thousands of years and, with myself, has been underway now, oh, better than fifteen years intensively.

Its name may have been Smith for a long time. Now this is simply theory, unchecked, but it could account for this very interesting manifestation of a similarity of physiology from generation to generation in one family, but marked differences of personality. Because your protoplasm lines, evolutionary line, is entered at random by theta bodies. Very few theta bodies go on being Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith; they go Smith, Jones, Bersawisky - anything. Well, you see how that would operate.

This machine, the electropsychometer, has been acting as a pilot since about the first of January 1952. Very early I wanted a pilot; I had to have some method of metering prectears which was not dependent at all upon opinion or judgment. And I went out and looked at the existing lie detector equipment and I could not find anything which would do a job of work.

Another thing is dreams. This makes dreams quite comprehensible. A dream could be occasioned in several ways. One of the ways it could be occasioned is by an aesthetic production by one of the entities - just a straight aesthetic production. Another way that it could be occasioned is by an entity reliving or reexperiencing some incident in its past. And that's a - been a long past. And it could be another entity suddenly awake and picking the data bank of a dramatizing entity. See, this entity B over here is in this incident. And all of a sudden, although the preclear is mostly asleep, your incident, then, is picked up telepathically. And what you record onto the state of beingness which you are at the time - which, by the way, is the only thing that's going awake and asleep - the being which you are or the entity which you are at the time goes awake and asleep and the others just are more or less asleep anyhow. And what you have there, then, is this entity which is asleep - going to sleep, leaving the other entities quite free to express themselves one way or another, unmonitored inside the body. And they will actually astral walk in sleep, they'll go off other places, they'll wander around and so on. They do that in the daytime, anyhow, too. And you get this "cross-telepathy," so on.

Now, Volney Mathison out on the Coast heard a talk out there one day, and I mentioned this fact. RCA had told me, Bell Labs had told me, numerous engineers had told me, that by the time you took a current and built it up stage by stage through battery set and battery set and battery set, you'd have to put somebody in a wire cage (a lot of people ought to be there in the opinion of engineers, anyway), and you put somebody in a wire cage of copper screening so as to cut down the interference, and one of them suggested that you hooked the needles into his brain tissue (I looked at him quickly to see if he was joking - he wasn't), and this way you possibly might be able to get a read - which would still have variation and fluctuation ad infinitum.

Your electronics people, that is to say, the native MEST universe people (God forgive us!)

I had one of the fanciest electroencephalographs made and it didn't do anything very much, police detectors didn't do anything very much, and Mathison went to work and he floated a current within a current.

& has the idea that an imagination is only possible - has an imagination which is only capable of fitting together the component parts of what the individual already knows and has seen and experienced. Uh-huh.

This machine is relatively simple, but it's a current floating inside another current, and actually gets from a tenth of a millionth to a fiftieth of a millionth amperes, something like that, per current. I haven't the technical data on this machine at my fingertips.

This is what an electronics computer would work like. Theta is quite aesthetic and it is capable of tailor-making something out of whole cloth. But you take an entity or a theta being which has been told, by actual count, eight quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-two million, nine hundred and fifty-four billion, eight hundred and sixty- seven million, three hundred and twenty-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-two and a half times, by almost that many mothers, "You mustn't use your imagination!" And the fellow becomes convinced after a while that it's only safe to (quote) "imagine" what he has been told he could imagine.

But what it actually does is throw a current of electricity through meter worksthe body and this will hit the various centers which connect up with the memory, and so on. And what happens is a facsimile moves in or out as the memory or the beingness of the person is restimulated, and so this little tiny trickle of electricity is shut off or let go. And so you get your difference of responses on this machine. And it's very simple in its operation, but it is considerably different. And I am, by the way, very much indebted to Mathison just on this basis of all of a sudden having a pilot.

Theta beingness can soar on imagination to unbelievable heights of new construction, because that's what theta does.

Well, as soon as this pilot was available I tried to work with it; but during a present lifetime, even then its responses, if you just take one lifetime, are not very terribly marked. Grandfather's death will fall a couple of degrees - couple of divisions. Don't get me wrong: you can find out a great many things about this lifetime, such as you can find out whether or not somebody is loyal or disloyal, or something of the sort. It is very valuable for this lifetime, but I'm talking about auditing now.

Theta does not experience. Experience is something native in the MEST universe - sort of nasty stuff that people said you had to have. But you don't have to have it; you can extrapolate any experience in any direction, but practically no person at the state that the world is in and the race is in at the moment does this kind of an operation. They just don 't operate this way. They don't imagine, that's all. Imagination is practically dead.

Well, when you look over the last trillion years, the incidents you're looking for are incidents which drop this machine a dial, a half a dial, five dials, ten dials - in other words, this machine really acts up. And the incidents which we are trying to audit and the reactions which we are trying to get and find, locate and pin down are traceable very easily on this instrument.

The theta being and its partner are the imaginers, and they're in such bad states that there isn't much you can do about it - as witness most of the popular magazine stories today. They're all down in the apathy band.

I know I can be accused of putting in plugs for this electropsychometer but actually they're not plugs. It isn't possible to look back through the past as an uncleared individual without this machine.

Now, something else you might like to know about this. There are several things you might like to know about this that have turned up from one time or another. And this is going to come up here in the rest of this, but I want to comment on it this place, and then comment on it in what is the next lecture, because it's something you will find very interesting.

You get somebody up into a state of Theta Clear, why, he can take a look and read somebody else's mind very, very readily and very rapidly - probably much more accurately than this machine can.

Evidently, and I won't say this certainly, emotion is installed. It is an installed thing; its MEST universe installed - what you call emotion. Boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief and apathy are carefully installed; they are nothing else but installed! And boy, that's very important to you because you can knock out the whole emotional bank by auditing on the theta being side. (audience laughter)

But how do we get anybody up to the state of Theta Clear? Well, we've got a pilot. Now, this pilot went in ahead of the research line and so the auditing procedures which have been developed have been developed right along the same line as the research line. They follow as a parallel line. What we have, actually, is a series of incidents and reactions which are easily traceable on a psychometer. And the psychometer also lends reality to the preclear and, additionally, lends a great deal of certainty to the auditor. Because the auditor can be auditing any one of at least seven entities. And this is where the psychometer comes in very handy. He starts auditing one entity and the machine is operating.

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Now, he audits the preclear with the electrodes in the preclear's hands. And it doesn't matter too much under this type we are doing now whether the preclear looks at this needle or not. You hit the incidents that are the incidents and that needle will fly; he can't stop it.

[The pc sounds female]

And so he watches the needle as he's auditing along, and so on, and he knows whether or not his prectear is doing anything. And your preclear, for instance, may go into a boil-off. Is he in a boil-off or is he asleep? Now that's a question. Now, you've sat alongside of a preclear sometimes for hours while he was (quote) 'boiling off' Only he wasn't! He was asleep.

Ok let's take a look at the track.

What's the difference between a boil-off and asleep? He keeps moving through the incident in a boil-off, and you get characteristic needle fluctuations that shows that he's hitting holders and bouncers and everything; he's going through this incident and the needle fluctuates up and surges down and goes back and forth, and maybe it does it more slowly when he's so dopey. But all of a sudden you start to get a little gradual tone rise; then the machine quiets down. And you go down to the foot of the bed and give him a good sound kick on the soles of his feet. The machine will do a jump, and you come back and sit down in the chair and say, "All right. Now let's start in at the beginning of it again." "Rrr-rurr-rw-ruff"

LRH: How old are you, natively? (pause) What did you think of?

"All right, let's pick it up now at the beginning, and go all through it again." And you watch that needle and the needle will flick and move, and it'll show you he's moving on the track, and he's goin through the incident and everything is fine, and then all of a sudden it'll bog again. Shake him out of it.

PC: Ages.

In such a wise, you can get auditing done. But about 80 percent of your boil-off, so-called, is actually sleep. And the sleep doesn't do anybody any good, but the boil-off with the incident in motion definitely does. So that's the first thing this machine does for you, is save all the time you've been sitting alongside of the preclear watching a (quote) boil-off (unquote).

LRH: Ages. Is it worse than ages?

Now, tie next thing that it does is tells you if you've slipped off an entity and into another entity - if you slipped off one theta line and into the other theta line. That's the next thing it tells you. The reason this another in auditing happens is very simple. You're just getting fine needle reaction, you re getting surges down that shows you're hitting things and that you're really auditing, and this entity, this theta line that you're addressing, is just clearing up just dandy, and all of a sudden the machine said, 'Mmm.' The fellow says, "Well, and so-and-so and so-and-so.' "Well now, let's go through it again."

PC: Immeasurable, by present-day standards.

"Oh, I am. So-and-so and so-and-so." Machine just sitting there - see, movin a little drifting - that's all.

LRH: Immeasurable. Pretty long, then. How about a trillion years?

What happened was, is you slid off the entity that you were auditing and you went in over on another entity. His beingness became somebody else at that moment and when his beingness became somebody else, what you're trying to clear up on the case isn't clearing up. And in such a wise, you can audit an engram half out of a theta line, and then go over to another theta line and audit the engram half out of it. And then jump into a completely disrelated theta line and a completely disrelated incident and go auditing merrily on that, and what have you accomplished? You've accomplished a complete confusion on the part of two or three theta lines, and you haven't cleaned up any one of them. And so you will do this just so long and you'll get a perceptic shut-off on your preclear.

PC: Possibly longer than that.

This prevents it from happening. Why? You see how the entity is operating that you are auditing; you see how the machine is moving and how the entity is going through the incident, and you see that this incident is getting about a ten-point drop. He goes over certain points of it: it's a ten-point drop and it's an eight-point drop and it's a fifteen-point drop and it's a ten-point drop, and all of a sudden you're only getting a half-point drop and a half-point drop and a half-point drop. Well, he might have hit a sticker; he might have hit a holder in that entity, but the chances are he didn't.

LRH: Trillions? Way up there. Millions? What did you think of?

So you say, "Well, let's roll through that again," and then if you keep getting your drops characteristic, you're still on that entity. But supposing you just all of a sudden just suddenly start to get a little surge up, and it sort of idles around and so forth. Well, instead of auditing the right outboard theta line, you're suddenly auditing the left side. The machine characteristic will shift very markedly. Therefore the preclear can't lie to you, and he can't sit there and audit something else. And very often any preclear has an entity sufficiently neurotic to start lying to the auditor. He'll say, "Oh, yes, I'm running it. Yeah ha. Yeah, I'm going right through it. I'm just doing a fine job of it. Yes, yes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm." What he's actually doing is scanning out yesterday. He will lie there on the couch and scan out yesterday, and he'll scan out something else. And what he's doing is just - one of his theta lines is just holding you off and the other one is running through inconsequentials. And you can just spend hours and hours and hours doing this.

PC: Three or four trillion.

The next thing it does for you, it tells you: "What kind of an incident am I auditing?" If you are auditing a facsimile, You're getting smooth sweeps, react on the meter smooth sweeps - back and forth, up and down. Drifts down, coasts, goes back again. That's a facsimile, that is a memory you are auditing; you're auditing the thought, emotion, and effort out of a memory.

LRH: Three or four trillions. You three or four trillion years old? Well, we'll take that as an answer because there shouldn't be very much charge on it - the person is.

If you're auditing a between-lives incident - and that's very important to audit - this machine hunts. It comes down ten points and goes flick-flick-flick-flick-flick - the needle does-and then goes up maybe three points, flick-flick-flick, and then down five, flickflick-flick-flick, and then way up, flick-flick-flick-flick, down, flick-flick-flick-flick. Hunt. Hunt. And if it's doing it on a small level of let us say about five points on this scale or a small arc on the scale, that hunt-hunt-hunt is doing it on a wider scale and is still hunting ferociously, it's a between-lives of an earlier period. And if it"s swinging about fifteen of these points of arc and clicking at the end, and going over and click over and click, and click-click in the middle and then click, and then it's click again, you're auditing before universe.

Were you initially just one? Mm-hm? Which one is that now?

So you can tell immediately what he's in and you can also tell what part of his body is in it, because you ask him, "Is this your right side? Is this your all-the-way-out right side? Is that what's running?" And the machine is absolutely still. No, it isn't.

PC: Me? Possibly.

You say, "All right, which side is this? Is this the center that's doing this?"

LRH: Me. Where is it resident?

Machine drops. "Yeah. All right, it's the center. Well, let's shift over to the right side and audit the rest of that engram out." And immediate your machine starts acting again.

PC: Within me.

This is in the interests of cleaning up a case sometime between now and judgment Day. You understand that many entities will get the sudden idea that they are about to be handed their discharge papers and cut loose and sent hither to and forevermore. And they will suddenly start saying, "Hmm! Let's see, this is Dianetics, huh? Tsk! Well, let's see. Now, this guy is pretty easy to fool." And so they start to work on you.

LRH: All through you? Okay, that's fine.

That's a fact. And by the way, that may be the history of a great number of preclears who have an awful lot of auditing and who don't seem to get well. You've got an entity in there that says, "No! No! No! No!" And the rest of the preclear is saying, "Oh, yes. Yes, sure, sure. Mm-hm."

Now, we'll just plot this. And what I'm showing you here is how to plot a track, not the plot of a track. You get the difference? This is how to plot a track.

But this entity is saying, "No, no, no, no, no. Hm-mm! Not on a bet!" And so every time the preclear starts into something, the entity will knock him to sleep, and you get what is known as a very phony boil-off; the entity just puts him to sleep, that's all. It objects and it hits the sleep centers, and out he goes - swish.

[question from audience - unintelligible]

Well, this machine will detect it, and this will tell you why a preclear is balking. You can go over a preclear anatomically, thetawise, and you can say, "Now, are any of your theta lines blocking auditing?" And the machine doesn't say anything. It just sits there quietly and doesn't do anything at all; it just wobbles a little bit.

Okay. NOW, here we have-let's take it up here [marking on black board] and let's take it - inception. And here we have one being, and we're going out on a time line here, from there to present time according to the machine, of three to four trillion years. Now, let's find out what's happened in those three or four trillion years.

And you say, "All right, is your right-all-the-way-out right side doing it? Mm-hm?"

Take a look here at the E-Meter. Did this - what did you think of?

No. No action.

A lot of things happened? What did you think of?

"Is it the inboard right side?" No action.

PC: Well, I was thinking about some ancient buildings.

"Is it the center?" No action.

LRH: Some ancient buildings. Mm-hm. These in the theta universe or the MEST universe.

"Is it the inboard left side? There." Zing!

PC: In the MEST universe.

"Is the inboard left side stuck in an incident?" Zing!

LRH: Yeah, well, that's ... Ah, between lives?

'What is the date of this incident?"

PC: (laugh)

Oh, and the fellow says, "Oh, it says - it says 1670." No reaction on the needle. You say, "Is it some other date?" Ask that portion - that entity - "Is it some other date?"

LRH: MEST universe between lives?

All of a sudden he says, "Well, it's ... I get about a thousand." The machine just quivers a little bit.

PC: Possibly.

You say, "A thousand B.C.?" Just quivers a little bit.

LRH: Or before the between-lives cycle?

"A thousand A.D.?" Zing! You've got the thing spotted. Now you know what you're auditing, very rapidly. There's a theta line which is stuck on the track, and it's going to be stuck on the track and it's going to keep every other theta line there from operating until it's released and brought up into present time. And so you just take the blocks off the case, one right after the other, until you've got all the case up in present time.

Before the between-lives cycle. Is that where you lived before ... Is that before earth? Is that on earth7

And by the way, a lot of these, when they get up to present time, say, "What the devil am I doing here?" and leave - just like that. "Well, I've gotten out of that one."

PC: No!

So, you can keep check on the thing. Well, we've never had any way to keep check on - and as a matter of fact, our auditing techniques were being addressed on the theory of whole beingness.

LRH: No? All right, the machine drops; says no. Where was it? In this system? In this planetary system?

The people that you cleared up were cleared up in two ways: One, you were auditing the central, and somehow or other got it on by getting back early in a person's life, a childhood. That's why childhood is important, is because it will flick on the center sometimes. If you can get the childhood bank you've got the center on, because it's holding the childhood bank. So that's this address: it isn't childhood memories; it's what time of life was the center in evidence. So you get the center on and the person right away brightens up. Very simple.

PC: Um-very, very far away.

Now, the other thing we were doing was somehow or other exorcising. We were! High in tone, your auditor would simply scare some of these theta lines either into apathy or out.

LRH: Very far away. This galaxy?

Now, you take a theta line which is holding a case of arthritis in very solid arthritis. This theta line has the right side beautifully paralyzed as far as holding is concerned, and the calcium deposits are gathering apace. And you, as an auditor, drive the right side down in tone and bring the central preclear up in tone to a point where you've unbalanced it and the right side goes into apathy. The second it goes into apathy, of course, it releases and you get a disappearance of arthritis. All you've done - that is a mild exorcism; that's just nullification exorcism. And some of you have merely looked a demon in the eye and said "Phew! and he's gone. And you audited the fellow only a half an hour and all of a sudden he was well. Wasn't that interesting? There he is; he's well.

PC: No.

The cases which we've had trouble with are the cases that are playing a game with us. Poor case doesn't know it's playing a game with us.

LRH: Another island galaxy?

But there are two or three entities present and they'll cross over, and you 'II start to audit one and you'll find yourself auditing another one, and then you'll be auditing another one. And about the time that you're really getting in there someplace, all of a sudden you're auditing another one. And the result is that some of these have the "I can't know, I won't know" and "I won't tell" - some of these entities have these in such strong restimulation that a person has this strange idea that he could tell if he could tell, but he can't tell, because every time he starts to tell he sort of forgets. Or every time he starts to come up with any part of an incident, it all of a sudden blanks out on him. Or he tries to get the perceptic that matches the incident, and somehow or other something just moves in across it. Well, this is just entanglements of these theta lines. They're just cagey.

PC: Well, I get the impression of a very, very bright star.

Now, an unknown datum can produce too much randomity - too, too much - and that is the case here. Not one of these theta lines was actively aware that a personality existed except itself. They were not aware, one theta line to the next, that there were other personalities or theta lines present. And you simply start identifying them, one after the other to each other, and they come way up in tone, one after the other, because they know what's going on. They know that somebody else was there, and somebody else and somebody else and somebody else. And the prectear gets much cleverer.

LRH: A very bright star, maybe another galaxy. A long way off, huh? At least a long way off. How long ago was this? Order of magnitude?

Well, you might leave a couple of them that were the bad psychos in him - you might leave these way stuck on the track, and therefore he has somatics and so forth. But the usual thing is that he just becomes a lot more cheerful. This point alone, in other words, produces a marked advance in the case: the identification of the theta lines, one to the other.

PC: Oh, couple of million years ago, possibly.

The best way to identify them, of course, is show them to him. And he'll start thinking about the thing and so on, and he'll all of sudden recognize this and that.

LRH: Two million years ago? Something like that?

These theta lines can be neurotic enough to hold on a somatic and to throw the somatic on violently every time the preclear starts to get rid of an incident. He starts to get rid of an incident; this line says, "He's starting to get rid of his 'soul' and that's me. We will show him - crunch!" and picks up pain out of its own memory bank and turns it on. Just like you might spank a small child that was causing you trouble. You want to administer pain. So this theta line will think, "Pain, pain," and turn on a somatic. And here you get a chronic somatic that just rides there and rides there. And you run this on the case and you run that on the case, and you run something else on the case, and somehow or another this chronic somatic just won't go away. Well, that's because every time you start to get in close to this theta line it gets very cagey and turns on this somatic. But it's not going to be located.

PC: No, longer than that.

Now, it's your job on a chronic somatic to locate what being it is that's turning it on - what theta line it is that's turning it on, which is to say - and getting that thing unstuck out of the incident so it's rational enough to find out whether or not somebody else is present and find out what it's doing. And you will find out in each case that it is stuck somewhere on the track in something very violent. And it's rather easy to audit out and at that time the chronic somatic will cease.

LRH: Three million?

Now, this is really pinpointing your case. Here somebody comes in to you and they have a chronic somatic. Well, you have three choices. You throw the entity that is giving this person this pain or illness into apathy; that's the worst choice. The optimum choice is to be so clear yourself that you just simply move through and in this entity and it goes phew! and it's gone. You say, "Well, all right, that's twenty-five dollars, please," and the preclear walks out the door.

PC: Eight.

And the technique which is available to you and most useful to you now, is simply identify the thing - preferably on an electropsychometer - identify which entity it is and what it's stuck in and then just audit it through what it's stuck in, regardless of how silly or how strange it seems. Whatever the incident is - audit it through, audit it through, and get this entity at least out of that somatic, if not into present time. And your chronic somatic will go away.

LRH: Eight million? Eight million? Two million? Three? Four? Between three and four? What are you thinking of?

That means that a psychosomatic illness can be treated selectively by an auditor - very selectively.

PC: I'm just watching that.

You take glasses. Now, there's the facsimile field of auditing. Memories have pain in them; you audit out the facsimiles which have the pain, and the pain or disability goes away. That's techniques as we have known them; you see, you have to know the same techniques in order to work one of these entities.

LRH: You're not thinking.

All right, let's take glasses. In the facsimile level, glasses mean that one of these entities, at least, is over into a monitor valence of some sort or another, probably in Facsimile One. You will find some part of this preclear is in Facsimile One, and it's being a monitor valence and the glasses are what the monitors wear in Facsimile One. And a person is safe as long as he wears glasses, and if he takes his glasses off he's not safe anymore.

PC: (laughter) It said eight, possibly more.

But what about this? We've known for a long time that if you could get a person's tone up, the somatics dropped out. There's billions and billions and trillions and quadrillions of facsimiles - painful ones, severely painful ones. Well, you can't audit all of these. Well, how do you get a preclear's tone up? Well, auditing a theta line or auditing a theta incident advances tone very rapidly and tends to stabilize it - until you go to the next entity, and then you'll find the tone will drop a little bit, but not as far as it was before. And then you audit that tone up and you'll find out he comes up. It is nothing, in two hours to four hours, and certainly in ten hours, to take people off the top of this machine by auditing theta-line incidents. You can't do that by auditing facsimiles; you've got to audit an awful lot of facsimiles before you get tone up to that degree.

LRH: Oh, you're looking at this needle to check it?

So what happens? Let's take Facsimile One now. It's important to know that Facsimile One is there, because so many people are stuck in it; so many people go over into the monitor valence of it; so many people are in the victim valence of it and holding forth regardless. Do you have to audit this thing? Not if you find out which entity is holding on to it. And then not if you find a theta incident -that is to say, some incident a little bit earlier, like a joiner, that makes this entity hold on to incidents and facsimiles. There's just this one entity now, you're asking, "Why do you hold on to facsimiles?" And all of a sudden you find that there is a reason and you audit the line through that reason and blow Facsimile One. Cute - very tricky.

PC: Well, is it - does it - okay, maybe it's best I don't look.

Now, you can audit Facsimile One out from beginning to end over and over again, and you can make sure that you audit it out of any being that had it in its bank.

LRH: She's guessing against the needle now. Well, that's all right; you can do that. It doesn't invalidate the needle any. just makes it a little bit slower to answer.

There's at least seven banks you will find Facsimile One in - that's why it's so deadly. I amend that. There are at least five banks or four banks; there are a couple of additives afterwards. Facsimile One took place about a million to a million two hundred and fifty thousand years ago.

Was it eight million years ago? Two? Three? Four? Five? Five million years ago? Okay, that's good enough. What's a million years?

So, we have much more recent material that has been poured in, and much more recent matters of interest to us.

NOW, right down here, we're going to mark in "present time." Now we're going to go back here eight million years. I mean - what was that?

When it comes to auditing a theta line, you are playing tag with a will-o'-the-wisp, because one of these - if you can't see them yet, one of these theta lines can be very, very cagey, and they can cross over and cross you up and so on. Most rapid job you can do there, therefore, is a machine job, and you just start hitting them one after the other until you have all of these entities up in present time and particularly until you have the center one up in present time. And this is the one you take in preference to any other.

PC: Five.

Now, therefore auditing procedure as I would recommend it at this time - which is subject to change - auditing procedure would be simply this: You clean up theta lines only to the point where you can handily and easily reach the center. And then you clean up its line as far back as is necessary to keep it from holding on to other entities. And then you'll find your preclear is in much better state; therefore you should just go back and clean up then, this central being up to a point where he's a Theta Clear. And that would be a procedure. There may be a faster way of blowing a theta line; that's why I say it's subject to change because there may be this faster way of blowing a theta line. I don't know of one at this time beyond complete rehabilitation of the center. And sometimes you can't just say to the center "All right-be," 100 percent .. Sometimes, by the way, you can, though. You can suddenly say - you locate the center for the fellow and you show him on the machine - "Now that's the center."

LRH: Five million.

"Oh, is that me? Oh, is that how I feel? Oh, gee! Yeah."

& Ah, what's five million years.

"Well now, just get that in communication with every part of your body. Now, get it in communication with all of the MEST universe." Boom! Terrific change takes place. But unfortunately this can't be done all the time, so the other procedure is to clean up the lines which are keeping it from happening, and then just to the point where you can clean it up, and so you get the person up the line on that.

Female voice: Five million.

Now, theoretically all the other beings ought to blow immediately that this thing decides - this center being, you, which is really you, by the way - will decide.

LRH: Well, what's five million? Okay, five million years ago, there's something on the track there. Ancient buildings. Did these blow up?

Now, your preclears can give you a bad argument every once in a while. They give you a very bad argument. They will say to you, "Well, I can't audit that, because if I audited that" - they will have the idea that "If I audited that, something horrible would happen to me." Well, you're not talking to the prectear; you're talking to the facade in front of the facade of the preclear. In other words, you're talking to a couple of theta lines deep before you're reaching the central being.

They blew up. Was that a whole civilization blowing up?

It's an amazing thing, but I'm sure that you'd have this happen if you were working around sanitarium people or something like that, or working on - oh, some very, very, very neurotic people: you would find them a being which was not their central being but which was saying it was their central being. In other words, it'd fool you. So you'd be busily giving them over into the hands of some lesser line which was psychotic as could be, and you want to avoid that if possible. It's not terribly important, but you want to avoid it, because your central being is not going to blow out; this would just make the case a little bit longer.

PC: I think ...

Now, you actually could become, theoretically, this expert, that when you find a body has suddenly been vacated - the fellow says, "Well, goodbye. Phewww!" - you look at this body lying there and you say, "Is anybody else here?" You don't get any response on the machine, starts turning kind of blue, you listen to the heartbeat and it's slowing way down, and what happened was even the genetic-line body's soul blew, and - well, shoot them with some adrenalin or something like that and pick up an idle spirit (there'll be a lot of those around) and shove them into the body real quick and say, "Hey, here's a body. Quick, rumpf! and stuff them in right quick and get the person animated again.

LRH: Is it? Whole civilization blow up?

I just give you that. Don't delay too long on it, because in hot weather you know how it is. (audience laughter) Of course, there are many people here, as I say those words, that think I'm serious. Well, I am. (audience laughter)

PC: I just get ...

Let's take another very, very short break and let me give you the rest of this - if you want me to.

LRH: Whole thing blew up! What were the buildings like? Very pretty.?

LRH: just about, okay. All right. Now ...

HOW TO AUDIT A THETA LINE, PART II

PC: Lots of spirals.

A lecture given on 16 April 1952

LRH: Yeah, that's right. Okay. Now let's take another look at - and by the way, I want to do this rapidly for you and I'm throwing in another variable here on you; I'm actually going to read by nothing but the meter. But you can spend hours doing this, and so I'm going to pick it up much more rapidly, if it's all right with you, okay? just know what I'm doing here.

[tape continues]

All right, were you yourself in that society? (pause) Were you a slave?

PC: No.

& [There is an unitelligible sentence here on the tape which does not appear in the R&D transcript]

LRH: No. You were an important person? Mm-hm? That was a high point on your track, perhaps? No.

Well, now I'm going to tell you something about what can be done with a theta line. You understand I'm only talking about what can be done with a theta line.

It isn't a charged point either, is it? Yeah, a little bit. What happened there to you that was bad?

What can be done with a theta body? The first answer to this is "What can be done with a human being?" Anything that can be done mechanically with a human mind can be done to the theta mind - to a theta being - except these strange complexities of cross theta lines. That is to say, one theta line being cleared and another theta line coming across and stopping it from being cleared. All right.

PC: Did something I shouldn't do.

Let me tell you some of the things that can be done to a human being, and understand that I'm still talking about theta bodies because there's not any difference except a human being and his mind as he exists today - Homo sapiens - it's just more of them.

LRH: Oh, big overt act?

YOU can hypnotize a human being or drug a human being and move him as a theta body, in all or in part, to remote distances and have him observe or act or communicate and move back to his body again. This has been - he has many descriptive phrases, such as "astral walking.", It's of no importance what you call it. The point is that you can actually hypnotize yourself, which is one theta body hypnotizing another theta body inside yourself, and send that other theta body off to some vast distance and observe something and have it come back and so on.

PC: No, just killed everybody! (audience laughter)

This is very common. Your hypnotist knows this manifestation very well. You take somebody, hypnotize them, send them down to where somebody else is having a dinner party. And you count the people at the table and get the order of seating and what is going on and what is being eaten. And then come back and wake up and get on the telephone and tell them. It's very upsetting to them.

LRH: Well, well, well, well.

You can, by hypnotizing yourself - that is the usual mechanism by which this is done - send one of you over to somebody who is sleeping and say to that somebody, "Now, you want to call me at 10:15 in the morning and say, 'I have a wonderful idea' and you will have a wonderful idea. Now be sure and tell me this." And you'll come back again, and 10:15 in the morning the person either has an impulse to call you, or they will call you, or they won't. But the oddity is that it's at 10:15 that they call and they do say to you, "I have a wonderful idea." It all depends on how good you are at astral walking, how positive are your results.

PC: (laugh) No!

Now, you can astral-walk some theta body clear across the United States or clear across the world and find out all sorts of things. And as a matter of fact, you can even dictate to it as to what it's supposed to do and get information from it while it is at this remote place. I am now talking to you about very, very elementary manifestations. These are quite well known.

LRH: Was it a dull afternoon or something? (audience laughter) It was a dull afternoon! Was there any more cause for it than that?

Self-hypnosis, as I say, is one line hypnotizing another line - in you. When a person is hypnotized, what happens is the control center which is uppermost - the control being which is uppermost - is put into some sort of a sleep and another being that isn't normally available is thereby exposed to view. And that other being is almost always neurotic or psychotic or very literal. And the second being can be told things. And then the person is awakened, which is to say the theta line which was put to sleep (which is normally in control) is awakened. And sitting back of that is another theta body, see, and it says, "Now, you will do so-and-so and so-and-so, and you're not supposed to remember it," so forth.

PC: (laugh) No.

Just think of a lot of little kids playing a game and this is about the manifestation you get. You see? So that's a posthypnotic suggestion and that is also an engram in operation.

LRH: That's right, that's the way we used to be. Happy people. (audience laughter) Well, that's an overt act, huh?

A person is operated on. All theta bodies are asleep except one; this one observes everything there and then you run the person through the operation. What you've done is wake up six bodies if you run him through it thoroughly. See how that would work?

PC: I - I did something; I made an experiment.

Now, awareness means awareness of what? What's awareness? There are a minimum of seven awarenesses. Which one of these awarenesses are you reducing when you give a person anesthetic? And how many of them are you sending away? How many of them are you holding on to?

LRH: Made an experiment.

Now, get valence. There are two valences. There is a command valence which shifts from one theta body to the other. It isn't the words that do it; it's the fact that a person is shifted on theta bodies because somebody told it to shift. Running back through incidents, you will find peclears out of valence. Well, that is to say, you're running a theta body which wasn't the theta body to which this happened, but the theta body which observed it happening to the other theta body. Get the idea?

PC: (laugh) And the whole place blew up.

It happened to theta body A, and as you run him through the incident, you're running theta body B through the incident, so theta body B goes through the incident. And where was it where the incident took place? Well, oddly enough, time and space have very little to do with this, and so theta body B thought nothing of standing out in the middle of the room and watching it, particularly if there was charge on it.

LRH: The whole place blew up. Well-well, that's one less civilization ...

Somebody comes along and hits the little kid in the jaw. Theta body B said, "No!" saw the blow coming and stepped out. Theta body A stood there and took it. Bow! You run the person back - they don't have any somatics, they tell you quite happily. "I don't have any somatics. No, I see myself."

PC: That's what my curiosity got.

You say, "Well, this is some illusion. It's-all-illusion - it's-all-delusion - and - let's-all-be-illusive-and-delusive - and-let's-grant-no-reality-to-anything - and-that's-the-way-we-all-stay-insane." Boy, that's a philosophy. (All those words that I just uttered have hyphens amongst them.)

LRH: Now, get a good, clear recall, get the realest moment in that. What's the realest moment in it to you?

When you run this prectear back through again, you're running the wrong theta body back through. Now, you tell the right theta body to go through the incident and you get the somatics and so forth. But this right theta body may be so frightened by this time of existence and so on, that it takes a lot of persuading.

PC: I pushed something.

Now, how do you get a person to run through an incident in valence? Find the theta body that the thing happened to - the theta body in control, the theta body which has the memory bank containing the incident and all of its somatics - if you want to run the incident. Find it, run the preclear through enough data until the incident unburdens on the theta line that the incident happened to.

LRH: All right, is that good and real to you? Is there another moment there in that civilization that's quite real to you? Any part of that cycle, any part of that particular civilization? Got something there that's really nice and real?

Now, you try to run childhood out of somebody and they've shifted into five consecutive different theta bodies since - the fifth body over there didn't even know the person had ever been a child. It was just out, it had nothing to do with the childhood, it was just there, and it was going around saying, "Hm-hm-hm-hm-hm-hm." He wasn't even aware of time passing or something of the sort. And one day have the entire load and control of the human body dumped on it; one day it suddenly found itself in control of everything.

PC: A very tall man.

You know, dental operation, a couple of theta bodies got something in restimulation and so got a toothache, and so the thing to do is to go down to the dentist and have the dentist - anesthesia, pry, squeeze, yank, stamp, knee in the guts, you know, with lots of words. And the theta body which is in operation up to that moment says, "This is too thick. Another life, and it's still happening! I quit." And so it does. It says, "Well, here I am asleep.' And it stays asleep.

LRH: A very tall man. Yea-yea! Is he real to you? Just want to pick up the reality level on it. How's your communication with this very tall man? Is he antipathetic to you? He like you?

Now this person teeters around after the operation and says, "Well, I feel different somehow." You try to put this person back through the operation and they're out of valence. Now, if you will notice closely, they can call themselves the dentist as they go through the operation; they can go into the dentist, and so on. This is another manifestation of which theta lines are completely capable-of stepping into other people. And they do. They just simply step into somebody else.

PC: No.

If a theta body, a theta line, is very mixed up and can't get control of the person in any other way, it will step into person B and activate some theta line in person B so as to do something to person A. You get that?

LRH: He didn't like you. Oh! He didn't like you. Was that the trouble?

Here's a theta line that's in person A, and person A is not under the control of this theta line; this theta line is quite psycho and very possessive, or something of the sort. This theta body will step around into another person and motivate them into getting angry at A. And then yap-yap-yap-yap-yap- Somebody will say, "I wonder why I am so angry at him. That was silly," but go right on saying, 'What's the idea?" and so on.

PC: Oh, no. No, I - I did - did something I shouldn't have done.

And person A all of a sudden says, "Hm! Somebody is angry at me. Why are they angry at me?" And gets good and mad, and so you get a fight started. Because theta bodies are just people and they will start fights and they will argue, but sometimes they go about it circuitously. You find a mention of this in the first book, by the way.

LRH: You did something you shouldn't have done. All right.

Now, the manifestation, then, is that a theta body is not locatable in time and space except as it thinks it is. It believes it's here and therefore acts on MEST here. Or believes it's there and therefore acts on MEST there. Believes it's supposed to stay inside (and by the way, that's a big aberration to have to stay inside the body, they're not supposed to leave, and so forth - most of them have this aberration) and so stays inside or goes into another body and stays in there. A person can lose his theta lines.

PC: Yes, I was fooling around in something I shouldn't have ...

The only one that seems to have any constancy at all is a very old stable line, which is the center line. And that's quite stable, and when de-aberrated that line is very active - original line. All right.

LRH: He told you so.

Now, when you look at this manifestation, what is it possible to do with a theta body? And the answer is anything. When you look at human behavior, what's possible? You can have one insane person pervade a whole group. You can have all sorts of things taking place.

PC: Yes, he did!

But back in the bad old days of sorcery, somebody wanted to get rid of somebody else - you see, you're not supposed to do that anymore, either. That's awfully hard to track down by law, and so forth. Here's a fellow 3,000 miles away from another fellow and the other fellow dies. And so all of a sudden we found that we didn't believe in ghosts anymore or we didn't believe in spirits anymore. A lot of things happened in this society to prevent this.

LRH: Was this man related to you?

But it's very possible to take, say, a child here and take one of the theta lines of the child, hypnotize the line and send it someplace else and invest somebody else and have that child be that person. You take somebody in apathy walking down the street. If you were very able theta-wise and you could get in and out of yourself at will, there's no trick at all of ust suddenly stepping into that person and making him think and do exactly what you wanted him to do. That's right. It's against the law that has been imposed on the aberration track, because it was found out that all of these lines had to be kept in one place in space or time before YOU could punish anybody. And it was very necessary to punish people, so you cou nail them down.

PC: No. No, he's the - the head of it.

What I'm talking to you about, you actually know natively that you can do; you feel a quiver on it, but it's against the law. And what's law?

LRH: Oh, he ruled the place.

Compulsion - that's it, compulsion. You're supposed to stay inside and you re supposed to be good. And you're not supposed to influence anybody else and you're not supposed to send any of these theta lines anywhere else and do anything to anybody else's body.

PC: No, he wasn't the ruler. He - he was in charge of whatever I was doing; it's some sort of laboratorial work.

Now, I'm not advocating that you do. I'm not advocating that you do at all, but I am telling you that these are possibilities and potentialities inherent in the theta line.

LRH: Oh, I see.

You can go down to the library and you can pick up books about India, books about many things, and you'll find this and that happening. Think of what I have told you in these lectures and add it up on this theta line, and you will see all of a sudden a lot of these things suddenly clarify; they all of a sudden will jell.

PC: And uh ...

People knew that you could take these lines and do things with them, and in the past they did. They did with a fullness and abandon which is very wonderful to behold. They would transfer theta lines and they would influence lives and they would cross things up in a most wonderful and remarkable fashion.

LRH: Have you liked chemistry since?

I wonder if I mentioned the word "building roads" to you - building roads in the sky, and just building roads and building roads and building roads, and building roads around sort of towers, and building roads across vast pieces of space, and building more roads just endlessly a nd endlessly - any of you feel tired when I tell you about that?

PC: Oh, no!

Well, once upon a time some of the human race got caught a pushed into bodies and built roads. That's one of the joiner incidents.

LRH: Simple explanations for these things.

You can run somebody back into this one and they get pretty tired, because it was a static. A person went on and on, life after life after life after life after life. You see, they knew that there was such a thing as life consecutiveness; they knew all about that, they could observe that. The fact that we don't know about it now is one of the control measures.

PC: I flunked it every time.

And so they went on life after life after life after life doing the same job and the same cycle in the same place, on and on and on, under very heavy control. And so you'll find that section of the track is quite aberrated.

LRH: You see what it takes to get - educate one theta being? Does a theta being need education?

Now, how did they do this? How could you possibly catch a theta body? It's air, sort of -, it's worse than air, it's just nothing. How do you lay got trapped hold of it? Well, you can attract it by its feeling of ethics. You can attract it by its curiosity, or any other way that you can influence a human being into doing something that you know very well is bad for him.

PC: No.

You invite his interest; you give him a lot of bow-row-rowr-rowr. And remember, in those days theta bodies were not invisible any more than they're invisible now.

LRH: How does it feel to be educated? Good?

So, your theta body could be attracted to a body for some very noble purpose or something of the sort, and then the purpose would get ignoble suddenly. Something would happen; a switch would happen. When this would occur, somebody would be trapped, because a theta body could be put to sleep. It could be put this way, it could be pressed that way.

PC: Well, of course.

And some genius somewhere along the line picked up a wave that was very close to the wavelength of one over infinity. And it's so close to theta that it'll affect theta; it's the same wavelength as emotion. Emotion is one of those very, very short wavelengths. It'll affect a facsimile or a theta body or the MEST universe, so it makes a crossroads.

LRH: It feels good to be educated?

If you had a wave - electronic wave - in that area or part of the band, all you would have to do would be to shove it at a theta body and you would get some sort of a result resembling unconsciousness, or the theta body could not get away or something of the sort. In other words, there's a part of a band, such as emotion - there's an electronic approximation of it possible - by which a theta body could be trapped. This is initially how it began to happen.

PC: Not necessarily educated.

And then how did you keep somebody there? How did you keep them from getting away? Well, these are big problems. It took giant brains to figure out these things.

LRH: How about the process of getting educated? Is that good?

One of the ways you could do it would be to take some of the physical body and get the theta body attached to it. Take a portion of it; keep this portion in pawn, in hock. Put it in a little field so that it would live, you know, and put it in - like Alexis Carrell and Lindbergh figured out, keep the cells growing happily. And then, if you did something wrong over there a couple of miles, just - tsk! - stick it, and you'd hurt over there a couple of miles away because you were told you would. You had to be educated into physical universe pain. Well, that sounds very wild, but it's a possibility. And all I'm telling you about are possibilities, right now.

PC: No.

Now, there is the distinct possibility of doing this with a theta body: here is a theta body or several bodies in a MEST body. Here's a MEST body, much like you or I, or maybe one-eyed. Here's this NEST body and this MEST body is in perfectly good condition. And one day it walks along the road and sees this sign - says "Volunteers" or something of the sort, "Big Project - Big Project." And walks inside the building to find out what is this big project and there is the most gorgeous glowing block of stone which is hanging in midair - much like Mohammed had - except it emanates. He's gone. You walk in - bing! That's it.

LRH: That's right, no good. Okay. Well, we've got an incident here, this is a minor overt act. (audience laughter)

Then somebody (and this is theoretically, of course), somebody could take you and put you over in a building, you know, and they could shoot you full of narcosynthesis and say, "Now, you'd better, for your own good and because you have this big mission to accomplish, go to such-and-such a place and take the body which you see there, and work with it to accomplish so-and-so. And when that body dies, you will return here. And we will take very, very good care of this body here all the time you are gone. And you needn't worry about this body, because we will take good care of it. And you'll go down there and you do so-and-so and such-and-such and all will be well."

Minor overt act on the - she probably considered that on the fourth dynamic. Would you say it was the fourth?

Well, all right. This individual, theoretically, could leave then. Theta body leaves - goes down here, leaves a little bit of theta there, you know, keeps the body ticking over, and comes down here to this area and takes over this other body. Of course, this other body always seems sort of unreal (there's already a soul in it). But it seems sort of unreal somehow but he works with it. And he doesn't quite know what he's doing, and he goes on. He's supposed to keep the body from pain, and he's supposed to do good, and he's supposed to do that and he's got a big goal and so on. And all of a sudden, one day, gets himself killed. Hah! He's supposed to report back now!

PC: Pretty definitely.

So he reports back; he walks in and he gets into the body, the body wiggles a little bit and the guards come along and they say, "Hah! There's another one." They pick him up and take him in. "Now, what did you do? What's it like? Give us a report. Now, all right. Mm-hm. Hm, that's very interesting. Mm-hm. Very interesting. Are you sure that's what you did? Yes, yes. Go on. Are you sure you know what you're doing? Mm-hm. You sure you were there? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. How do you know that was good? Well, why did you do it? Now, we going to open and write it down here in a big book, and I think you'd better go back again and see if you can't do better this next time. Well, forget it!" Bang! The person forgets it.

LRH: Okay. How have you felt about the fourth since? Been very defensive?

Then they take him over in the next room and shoot him full of stuff again. And they say now, "Yappity-yappity-yappity-yappity,yap," and "Here's what,you're supposed to do; you're supposed to go down there and get the next body you can come across down there, and it's all fixed up and you're - all good shape. And this time your goal is to organize a church. Yeah, you're supposed to organize a church in this life. So, goodbye."

PC: Yes.

The person would appear down here as a baby - the line already has a soul in it - would appear down here all of a sudden as a baby, and go along and try to organize this church and try to organize this church.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make any sense to you suddenly?

Now, the funny part of it is that he could be a composite mass of bodies, that is, theta bodies, which was - just amounts to one personality, and they could all be shunted simultaneously. So there he goes.

PC: Very much so.

And he organizes a church and he organizes a church and he organizes a church. Only he doesn't organize a church very well and one day he gets killed. So, he's loose, he's outside of the body again and he - this is strange - he thought he belonged in that body. The second he gets out of it he realizes he doesn't belong in that body, but he's very foggy - when he gets out of it, he gets just awful foggy. So he goes back again and he - this body twitches and one of the guards says, "Well, come along with me," take him down. Write down in a big book, "What did you do? Why? Oh, you didn't do that! Yeah. Well, are you sure that was right? Are you sure that was what you were told?" Confuse, confuse, confuse, confuse. "Well, forget it. You'll have a to go down again."

LRH: It does? Good. Well, we're trying to build track, not to make you happier. (laugh)

"But you told me I wouldn't have to go down again!"

Okay, let's get on with this. That remark killed off a little bit of sympathy, didn't it? Killed off a little bit of rapport with you, didn't it?

"Well, forget it. So-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so. Yeah, your goals this time is to go down and be very good in the hay business." Well, the fellow goes - very dopey about this whole thing and he goes down, and sure, this is all he's supposed to know. He's supposed to be in a body, supposed to go through this routine and goes to the other end of the line. And how long could it go on?

No? No, that's fine. That's fine. All right (having reestablished it), we'll get another matter now. Have you ever been put together with some other souls? Some other beings?

Well, it could go on until such a body fell apart. That's the truth. Because you could keep a body - even with methods of food preservation we have here on earth and mechanisms which we have right here on earth at this time - you could probably keep a body ticking over for hundreds of years. Theoretically, you could keep one ticking over for thousands of years.

PC: Yes.

Then one day he goes back and he says, "I have no body." So he kind of shuffles down the hall - that's where he's supposed to go - and he shuffles down the hall and nobody sees him. But he stands around for a while and he says, "Well, I guess this is time I go back there again" and - pop! keeps going through the cycle endlessly, endlessly, over and over, but now with no implanted goals, and so he gets pretty aimless. He'd sure be puzzled, wouldn't he?

LRH: Yeah. When? When is the first time you picked up ...

You could do such a trick if you wanted to control a planet, if you wanted to control a people or if you wanted to get something done for your own purposes. And if you were very good at electronics and that sort of thing, well, just a hair better than we are now, you could do this. You actively could accomplish this by shifting theta bodies around with astral projection.

PC: Well, I did a damned fool thing.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was curious.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I don't get any visio on this at all, Ron.

LRH: You don't?

PC: But just the feeling. I was very curious about something and - and I - I cut my nose off to spite my face.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago was this?

PC: Oh, ages ago. Long, long time ago.

LRH: Uh-huh, what did you do? Volunteer?

PC: No, somebody told me so ...

LRH: Mm-hm. And you did something.

PC: ... that I better watch out, but I did it anyway.

LRH: And it was curious ...

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Curiosity? It was

PC: I wanted to find out what would happen.

LRH: Trying to find out, huh? Well, is this after the civilization blew up?

PC: Oh, yes! A long time after that.

LRH: A long time after this blew up. Mm-hm. What did you think of?

Got a nice drop here.

PC: Well ...

LRH: Before the civilization blew up?

PC: No.

LRH: After?

PC: Seems to me it was after.

LRH: After? After it blew up? Before it blew up? Which? What are you getting confused on this?

PC: After. After.

LRH: I wonder if this was the MEST universe? Yeah, MEST universe. What did you think of? Was it - you thought of after?

PC: I thought of after. After this deal blew up because I knew more before it - I mean, I knew more when it blew up than I did when this happened.

LRH: Is there a big - a big impact in that blowup?

PC: You mean physically?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Thetawise?

LRH: No, physically.

PC: Well, physically - heck, it got - I was dead.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, this might be, then. Is there sort of a jam around this incident? I mean, is there a sort of a grouper? Or is this grouper when you got curious and joined up with some other souls? Is this what's the grouper?

PC: That may be it.

LRH: Is that the grouper? Mm-hm. Have you regretted that very much? Well, it's not terribly bad. That's after this blowup? Okay. How many years afterwards? Halfway to present time?

PC: Oh, no.

LRH: Two thousand years ago?

PC: No, it's longer than that, much longer than that.

LRH: Thirty-five thousand?

PC: It's closer to about a million and a half years ago.

LRH: Million and a half years ago. Okay. Million and a half years ago?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Yeah, that's close enough. What's a million and a half?

PC: It's a million-maybe two.

LRH: That's practically present time.

PC: Two - it's two. Now it's two; it's going up now - look. (audience laughter)

LRH: Two million.

PC: Okay. It's way up now. What do you ...

LRH: Huh?

PC: What was that?

LRH: Oh, it's just - you just got some charge on this. Now, how many souls ... Did you get put together with some other souls?

PC: Couple of hundred of them.

LRH: Couple of hundred of them?

PC: But they're not all there now. I mean, I don't have them all with me now.

LRH: Oh, they're not all there now.

PC: But at the time ...

LRH: What was the circumstances surrounding this? just tell me rapidly.

You needn't be coy about it, people here can understand.

PC: Well, I - I - the - the concepts are not clear. I mean, they don't come as fast as I like them to; there's a lot of occlusion here. Apparently we got all stuck together because we didn't want that to happen again.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: When this explosion occurred.

LRH: Mm-hm. Didn't want that to happen again.

PC: No. And we figured if we stuck together, I wouldn't make any more experiments.

LRH: That's the - kind of the way it goes. This is a late joiner. Were you operating on a compulsion because of earlier incidents joining you up? Other things? What did you think of?

PC: No.

LRH: No? All right. Are there earlier incidents where you're joined up with others?

PC: No.

LRH: No earlier incidents? Hah! What did you think of?

PC: Well, whether it was so or not.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: No. I don't ...

LRH: Okay. All right, let me go off on this track. Is there an incident there where emotions are installed in you?

PC: (yawn)

LRH: Can you pick that up?

PC: Well, I'm thinking now of - of a slimy place.

LRH: A slimy place?

PC: With a lot of big animals in it.

LRH: Oh, a swamp?

PC: Looks like a prehistoric scene.

LRH: What's this? Earth?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this the somatic soul, earth?

PC: Hm.

LRH: Somatic entity, earth?

PC: Possibly.

LRH: Is it earth?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yes. Uhm ...

LRH: Nothing much on this ...

PC: There's brontosaurus and dinosaurs and oh ...

LRH: Is this a million-million years ago7

PC: Uh ...

LRH: What are we on here now, the somatic line? Mm-hm. Thought so. Let's get on back on the theta line, huh? Now, did the theta being ever get joined to anybody else? (pause) What did you think of?

PC: When this explosion took place ...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... that's when I said we all joined up together so I wouldn't make any ...

LRH: Yeah. All right.

PC: ... I would be controlled.

LRH: Okay. You consented to it?

PC: Really.

LRH: Where were you standing when you consented to it?

PC: I wasn't standing anyplace; I was floating around in the air.

LRH: Okay. And what ...

PC: We had a big confab.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And they said, "Well, she's got to be toned down a little bit. She's - she's too curious."

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: "These things mustn't happen anymore."

LRH: Mm-hm. And you agreed to it?

PC: Well, if I blew up a whole lot of people, who wouldn't?

LRH: Why? Is there deep regret on this? Is that why you agreed to it?

PC: Well, I - I don't like to kill people.

LRH: Why not?

PC: Well, you're not supposed to.

LRH: Who said so?

PC: They did.

LRH: Yeah, who's "they"?

PC: Well, that's why I'm here in the first place.

LRH: Oh! That's why you're here in the first place? On earth in the first place?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. This is a later incident, though?

PC: No. No, no.

LRH: No?

PC: No, it tie - ties in with all the rest of them.

LRH: Oh!

PC: With the original one: the reason that I was so curious.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: See, and I had to go find out.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I wanted to know what was - what was going on.

LRH: Okay. All right. Now, present time.

[to audience] We've got this problem here; it's a relatively simple problem. Here's a track chart. This track chart is demanding an incident to be run. This incident, of course, is probably that incident. Now, so what you get here: you're getting a small machine reaction. She said "eight" once and we got a reaction on it, and I can believe the machine, so it was eight.

All right. Now, this incident, in other words, is overt on four, and it's all the further we're going to get with this track, that's all. There'd be no sense in wasting any more time on it till we just blow this thing.

Now actually, you could probably blow it, more or less, by Strightwire and realization. Person thinks it over for a while - blows it. Could do. Very possibly you'd have to be audited, and the regret taken off of the thing. And then you'd find other incidents showing up here on the track as we went on up. Okay?

[to pc] Okay?

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. All right.

& Oh no. Oh no (laugh)

[to audience] Okay, there's one - there's one pc as part of the track. Let's take a clean slate here. Take a nice clean slate. [lots of noise]

[to pc] Thank you very much.

PC: You're welcome.

LRH: And also a clean pencil.

[to next pc] And how old are you, Maurie? You got it. How old was that?

[New pc - male]

PC: Four, I got.

LRH: Four what? Is this just the present life age flash of one being? Four million?

PC: I think trillion.

LRH: Trillion? Yeah, great. Now, were you one being four trillion years ago?

PC: No.

LRH: Two beings?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. Two beings. All right. And these two beings were - did they - were they joined by force or something? Were they joined ...

PC: I get a mixed reaction on that.

LRH: Uh-huh. Would you rather they'd never been joined?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Why did they join up? You thought of it - what was it?

PC: Um - thought they could do something more in combination than they could singly.

LRH: Mm-hm. That's right. And did each one have the same goals or they have different goals?

PC: Different.

LRH: Different goals. Are these goals in conflict with each other - any degree?

PC: No.

LRH: To what universe did these goals apply?

PC: Theta.

LRH: Theta universe. Do they fit with the MEST universe?

PC: I get a "yes."

LRH: Mm-hm. Have they had to be retailored to fit with the MEST universe in any way, or do they fit smoothly?

PC: Smoothly.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Are you accomplishing them?

PC: A real weak "yes" on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. Far away sort of a thing? Mm-hm. Well, can they just step into full beingness and pervade all of you, and go on and do everything they can do? Is there anything blocking them from doing this?

PC: Yeah, I think I have another being here that is saying, "No, you can't do this," and "No, you haven't done it," and so forth.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago did you acquire that being? That entity? How long ago did you acquire that entity?

PC: I get "four million."

LRH: About four million years ago? A very contradictory entity?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very contradictory. About four million years ago? Mm-hm. (pause) Oh, added by somebody, huh? Who added it?

[to audience] Seeing this characteristic bop-bop-bop - short bops.

PC: Get "hypnosis.

LRH: Added by hypnosis.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Pushed in on you by hypnosis. Were there any others added to you at the same time?

PC: Nope.

Nope. just one, huh? Well, what do you know? Four million years ago. Okay. Four million - one added entity. Is it stuck at the time it was added?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Stuck at the time it was added, huh? Why, did it - was told to stay there or something? Was it under orders to join you? Or were you put under orders to have it joined?

PC: I think it was ordered to join me.

LRH: Ordered to join you. That's right. Okay. And it's been obeying those orders ever since. Did you consent to have it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Yep. Why? Why did you consent to have it? You got it - what is it?

PC: For some reason or other I thought it would improve me.

LRH: Did it?

PC: No.

LRH: No. Well, can you jettison it?

PC: It's not going to like it, but I can do it.

LRH: It's not going to like it, huh? Do you have to consult its convenience rather than your own?

PC: Uh - I say "no," it says "yes."

LRH: All right. How do you get rid of it? Can you audit it away, or do you just blow it? It wants to stay?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: It wants to stay.

PC: I think I've still got some acceptance of it, too.

LRH: You think so. What's your main acceptance?

PC: "I'll die if I get rid of it."

LRH: Who said so? Somebody say so? Yeah, somebody said so. Who said so? The hypnotist?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that part of the sequence?

PC: Yes.

LRH: And then does it say so since?

PC: Mm-hm. And I agreed to it then.

LRH: Mm-hm. You agreed to be hypnotized, too?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can you handle that?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. And by the way, just for designation, what's the more or less geographical location of this entity we're just now talking about?

(pause) Head?

PC: No, solar plexus.

PC: There's one in the solar plexus and there's one on each side a little below it.

LRH: Ah, three entities in the solar plexus. Okay - in the solar plexus area.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Fine. Are two of these somatic?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what do you know, you got two somatic entities. By the way, somatic entities quite often split. Okay, and this other one is just an additive soul. Well ...

And by the way, is that soul quite sane?

PC: Huh-uh. [No.]

LRH: That's right. By the way, they get into that area and it's a terrible area, because the perceptions aren't close to it and they're under compulsion to have perceptions and they're under compulsion not to use their own perceptions and a lot of other odds and ends. So they get quite psycho in the area. And then their fear installation - Fac One and so forth - hits them right on the button, bam! just like that. Fac One hit you right on the button there with that solar plexus thing?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Isn't bothering you any! (audience laughter) Okay. Now, what do we find earlier than that? Is there another universe before the MEST universe?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Are there two universes before the MEST universe? What did you think of?

PC: Hm-I get confusion; my first reaction was "no," and then I got a "yes."

LRH: Well, tell me, one of these beings - a one of these entities - it wasn't back there with you. Is that right?

PC: Hm. Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That straightened him out? Okay, let's ask the one - other one now. Are there two universes ahead of NEST universe, or one? This universe, [marking on blackboard] one universe, two, and here's the MEST universe. What would you call this second universe? Would you call that your home universe? Did you have anything to do with its creation?

PC: Yeah. Yes.

LRH: What's the matter, you got charge on that? Hm?

PC: Well, I was ...

LRH: Charge on it, huh?

PC: Some idea about perhaps dimensions; I don't know what word I should use, but just dimensions ...

LRH: Okay, good.

PC: ... concerning that universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Has more dimensions than we're accustomed to.

LRH: Oh, I see. Four? Eight?

PC: Three and infinity.

LRH: Yeah, tiree and infinity. A three-and-infinity universe. Good.

That's characteristic of a thought universe. Okay. Did you help create that universe?

PC: I get a "yes."

LRH: What happened to it? Is it still there?

PC: Yes.

LRH: MEST universe - did you come into the MEST universe voluntarily?

PC: I think so.

LRH: What did you think of next after that?

PC: My solar plexus.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you voluntarily move from universe two into the MEST universe?

PC: Uh ...

LRH: The MEST universe ...

PC: There's a reluctance of some kind.

LRH: Yeah, you've got a reluctance to talk about this, haven't you? You're protecting some information about it? You're protecting some information about it?

PC: There's fear on it - some kind.

LRH: Yeah. Do you dare tell? Do you dare know? Are you holding information from somebody on it?

PC: Yes.

[End of HCL-18]

[Beginning of the HCL-27 reel]

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

LRH: Did you have to protect the information in that hypnosis? Mm-hm. What did you think of?

PC: Yeah, I think I did.

LRH: And you've been holding back information sort of ever since, in a general line? What if somebody in the MEST universe learned about how you got into this home universe? Who are you protecting information from? (pause)

PC: (sigh)

LRH: Tell me, can you be rolled out of this universe of your own and enslaved by the MEST universe?

PC: I get confusion.

LRH: If anybody knew the secret of the theta universe, could they then have an almost unlimited number of slaves?

PC: Yes.

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Yes, but they wouldn't want to.

LRH: They wouldn't want to. Who wouldn't want to? Some of these people in the MEST universe wouldn't want to? (pause) People in the theta universe?

PC: I don't think that people in the theta universe would want to.

LRH: And once having rolled out of it, you wouldn't want people to know how to get back into it, would you? (pause) No charge on that.

PC: ... be it.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Seems to be it.

LRH: Mm-hm? You trying to keep the people in the MEST universe from getting into the theta universe? (pause) What've you got there?

PC: I feel I'm trying to keep myself from getting into it.

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from getting into it. Well, what's wrong with you? Something wrong with you now? Hm?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Would you do something bad to the theta universe if you got into it?

PC: Seems to be yes.

LRH: Would you take bad knowledge into it? Bad experience?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What do you have, a degraded feeling about it?

PC: Ooh! Yeah.

LRH: Shame won't let you go home? (pause) Ah.

Did you roll out of the theta universe, sort of face into another dimension and get into the MEST universe by accident? What have you got there? Curiosity?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Curiosity.

PC: Yeah, you can run it from a distance or manipulate it, or you can get into it and see what it feels like.

LRH: Mm-hm. But once you get into it, what's wrong with it?

PC: Feeling you have to go all the way through it in order to get back out.

LRH: Go along a treadmill, so to speak. Is there another way out of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What is it?

PC: Well, I think of the Zen Buddhist story of how you get a goose out Of a bottle.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you get a goose out of a bottle?

PC: Snap your fingers and say, "There, it's out."

LRH: Okay. We're batting on a thousand there.

All right. Now, about your adventures in the MEST universe, what's the first thing that happened to you after you got into the MEST universe that was serious7

PC: Hypnosis and Fac One.

LRH: Some kind of hypnosis?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Some kind of a Fac One? Were you trapped in some way? (pause) Tell me this, did somebody install emotions in you?

PC: I don't like that, whatever it is. (audience laughter)

LRH: Does that come later than the incident I'm talking about?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, about how many million years ago would you suppose that you got emotions installed in you? What did you think of?

PC: Fourteen thousand.

LRH: Emotions installed in you fourteen thousand years ago?

PC: Seems what I got.

LRH: Okay. Was it fourteen thousand? Or fourteen thousand years after you entered the MEST universe? Which?

PC: That seems better.

LRH: Mm-hm. It was in the MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get another go at its time. I know it's hard to estimate time, but it - would it be halfway between here and the entrance into the MEST universe? Midpoint on the track between here and the past? What did you think of? You thought of it somewhere there.

PC: I thought that seemed to be about right.

LRH: Middle point.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah, that's more or less. Now, is it earlier than the middle point or later than the middle point? Earlier, little earlier? Little later? Who cares. What's a few billion years. Okay. Would you say that was about five billion years ago?

PC: Hm ...

LRH: Six?

PC: Seems better.

LRH: Between five and six?

PC: Okay. (sigh)

LRH: Five and six billion. just at a guess, these figures, you understand, are relatively - your order of magnitude is all you want so that you get your proper sequences of time. And this is installed emotions, huh? What emotions were installed?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: NOW, that's a honey. just don't concentrate on it for a minute, Maurie, and let me try and tell the folks what this one is - this is trick. In various ways, one of its guises could be "Well, you win a prize. A person who knows wins a prize."

And don't let me color the one you were going to run, because this thing is quite variable.

[to audience] Well, the MEST people, more or less, they want to put out this big prize. And so they give you a prize for knowing. Well, up to that point, you really know - you know pretty well. And then one of its versions is to throw a dome over the person, over the theta person-bam! - hold him completely motionless with fields so that he has an utter timelessness, so that he's suddenly and momentarily a zero, and then just throw him down a chute which passes him across fields - magnetic fields - one right after the other, which install wavelengths which are very close to one-over-infinity, with - which approximate our Tone Scale from 2.0 down.

[to pc] What's the matter?

PC: Apparently the story of my life - I don't know.

LRH: Is this approximately the incident we're trying to run here, something like it?

PC: Seems to be.

LRH: Well, there's something that is missing on it someplace; your incident varied in some way. Tell me, is fear in a tub at the bottom?

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, there is some vague similarity with what I was saying. There is an installed sequence of emotions, then, isn't there?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What are you thinking about?

PC: I don't like it.

LRH: Who installed it? A lower order of people, or something? (pause)

PC: I get the impression they were big.

LRH: Big people, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Is that where you got emotions from 2.0 down? (pause) Tell me, by the way, just out of curiosity - was all the pleasure you had formerly taken in aesthetics suddenly channeled into the second dynamic?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Also said that wasn't any good.

LRH: Also said that wasn't any good; yeah, that's right. That's right.

[to audience] All right. This incident has a slang term which - we call it the "installer" and it's a great little gimmick. Actually, any of these emotions have a very precise wavelength, which is why one suspected immediately that there's something rotten in Denmark. I mean, why would everybody do this and do that exactly at the same wavelengths? Silly.

[to pc] Well, now, let's take your earlier life. Okay? How about your earlier life. Was there anything unhappy occurred in your earlier life in the MEST universe? (pause) Do you pick up anything very unhappy there? (pause) Are you still haunted by this emotional installer?

PC: No.

LRH: No? Okay. (pause) What did you think of?

PC: Some kind of confusions which was unpleasant.

LRH: Some confusions, unpleasant?

PC: Confusion.

LRH: Yeah? Would it be the confusion of everything hitting you at once?

What did you think of?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What was it? Yeow! There's a sticker in it. Holder in it, huh? Is it the holder of rays or waves or something?

PC: (pause) Waves, I guess, would be ...

LRH: Were they leveled at you intentionally to accomplish something or... What have we got here, the Emanator?

PC: Hm.....

LRH: No? It's an emanator of some sort.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the incident, the installer?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is there a bad holder in it someplace?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: There it is. What is it?

PC: I'm getting a visio of a black triangle.

LRH: Oh. Somebody command you into a black triangle?

PC: It obscures a - either a circle or disk behind it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the installer? Later.

PC: Seems - I don't know; I feel that it's earlier.

LRH: It's earlier.

PC: Around ...

LRH: Billion years earlier? Billion years earlier? What's this, the black triangle? What's the incident?

PC: Oh. Yeah, it's - the symbol is the same as the four-dimensional symbol that I had before.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Only this is a - cramming it in three dimensions ...

LRH: Oh.

PC: ... obscuring the fourth.

LRH: Mm-hm. Say, by the way, are we getting the shift of you from the theta universe into the MEST universe? Is this it? Is this the shift?

PC: Seems to be ...

LRH: One of the shifts? By the way, did you ever get out of the MEST universe and then back into the theta universe, and then out of the theta universe back into the MEST universe? Ho, ho, ho!

PC: Yeah. I'm shaking all over.

LRH: Ho, ho, ho! Well, that's the first one of those I've picked up. What happened when you went into the theta universe?

PC: I don't know, but I have a feeling it wasn't very pleasant.

LRH: Wasn't pleasant in the theta universe. Hooray! What was the matter with it? (pause) (Nice drop in it.)

PC: It's upside down.

LRH: Is it all upside down?

PC: How do you mean?

LRH: Had the MEST universe turned it upside down? Had something happened to the theta universe? (pause) What are you thinking of there?

PC: Yeah, but I don't know quite what. Two things were somehow joined together.

LRH: Two things joined together.

PC: Intermingled.

LRH: Mm-hm. The theta and MEST universe was kind of intermingled.

Well, by the way, by running this incident, would this all straighten out?

PC: I'm running it now.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, you're running it now.

PC: I'm doing something. I'm shaking all over and getting weird flutterings; I've never had anything quite like this before.

LRH: Is this your central being running this?

PC: Yeah. I have two of them running.

LRH: Both of them running.

PC: Both a central and ...

LRH: And an entity.

PC: ... seems to be located in the back of my head. Seem to be ...

& LRH: Well, is that the original duo? We're running it? Is this another entity running itself? I'm sorry I don't mean to invalidate your running it. The machine does that once in a while, you have to be careful of this.

LRH: How about the two beings' regard for this incident?

PC: They don't seem to be quite as concerned about it as the rest of me does, for some reason.

LRH: Oh. Well, tell me, did this add more to you? This incident add more to you in some way or something? No? All right. Which being is it that's concentrated on it? Which being?

PC: Just the one in the back of my head, which I believe would be the second one.

LRH: The second one. Is there an entity in the back of your head as well as the second being? Is there an entity that influences the back of your head?

PC: I would say yes.

LRH: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We're getting a halt on this. Yes, sir. What have we got now? Hey, you got a new entity that doesn't belong there. Great stuff. Was he there all the time? Was he there when this happened?

PC: No.

LRH: He wasn't there when this happened. Well, why is he concerned about it?

[to audience] Just about to flip and throw one of these entities.

[to pcl Now, why is he so concerned about it? Because he can concern you with it?

PC: Mm-hm. Uses this for control.

LRH: Well, uses it for control.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What happens to your shakes?

PC: They diminish.

LRH: Locate him a little more thoroughly and differentiate between him and the back being. Has he been pretending to be the back being?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh, isn't he a cute little trick. How are the shakes now?

PC: Gone.

LRH: They gone?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Feel more relaxed? Now let's differentiate a little bit better between the real back being and this entity. (pause)

Did you ever agree to have this entity?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did, huh? Did it just move in on you by compulsion?

PC: Yeah, it was compulsion, but I agreed to it.

LRH: You a agreed under duress?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm, but not very much. Well, what did you think of? This upset it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Upsets it some way, huh? Is it stuck on the track anyplace?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah? Is it stuck on the track in something when it was being you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it also stuck on the track in something before it joined you? (pause) Boy, it really decided to curl up. What's the state of that being? Did it blow?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: It blew. Well, the back being very glad it's gone? Who's glad it's gone? Which one?

PC: Center and the back both, solar plexus doesn't like this.

LRH: Doesn't like to have it gone.

PC: That's right.

LRH: Because that means it goes now.

PC: Yeah, it feels very small suddenly.

LRH: Yeah. Why? Was it the one that was holding the solar plexus together? Was the solar plexus being-entity operating only because of this back-of-the-head being? Did they have a pact between them?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were they in communication?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: By golly, that solar plexus being doesn't want to answer, does it? Is it gone? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: How does it feel? How's your solar plexus?

PC: Feels pretty relaxed.

LRH: Feels pretty relaxed. You afraid it won't stay that way? Is it gone or just playing dead? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: (pause) Can't find it.

LRH: Can't find it. How's your stomach feel?

PC: Fine.

LRH: Back of your head feel?

PC: It's tingling, burning and all kinds of things.

LRH: Back of your head tingling and burning?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why? Is this - this entity just move out to the outside, did it?

PC: Sure.

LRH: Is it still trying to hang on or are you - is your rear ...

PC: I'm holding it.

LRH: ... theta being holding it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, why is it holding it? (pause) Attached to it? What do you get on it?

PC: He uses it for control.

LRH: Uses it for control. Can't he ...

PC: Can be used in turn ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can't he control directly? Tell me, is there a second back-of-the-head being?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A second back-of-the-head entity as distinguished from a being? Is there another one in there - the two operating together?

Don't seem to see so, huh? What did you ...

PC: Oh, it's on the right side of the back.

LRH: Oh, right side of the back of the head. When did you agree to have that one? Did you?

PC: I don't feel any agreement about this one.

LRH: Well, did it come in at a moment of unconsciousness or something?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hypnotism? Unconsciousness? What are we running here, a joiner of some sort? An incident where they were all joined together? A little bit.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Not particularly. Well, this thing hasn't got any business there at all, has it? What did you think of?

PC: I was trying to think of how I picked it up.

LRH: You've just thought of it. What is it?

PC: I wasn't listening to you. (audience laughter)

LRH: Okay. You know how you picked it up. How long ago did you pick it up? (pause) (These aren't entities, by the way, these are idle beings.)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. What did you think of that time? You got it. What is it?

PC: Well, I just - I saw it, I guess.

LRH: And what happened? It blew?

PC: No, that's how I picked it up and ...

LRH: Oh, you just saw it.

PC: ... sympathy or something; I haven't quite got it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're getting it, though. (pause) Well, let's get it a little more solidly there and you can get it. You can recall it. What was the emotion? Which entity picked it up? Was it the theta beings that picked it up?

PC: No.

LRH: No. Was it another stomach entity that picked him up?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Aided and assisted by a couple of the side entities? Which one did you think of?

PC: It's higher in the solar plexus.

LRH: Oh, you got another one in the stomach, there?

PC: Above.

LRH: It picked him up. Okay. You got it. All right. Is it the one that's been holding on to it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. How about blowing that one that's a little higher in the solar plexus now?

(These blow awful easy. These idle ones.)

PC: This one doesn't amount to much.

LRH: Hm?

PC: I don't think this one amounts to much.

LRH: Didn't amount to much. Is it blowing?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: So it is. Is it gone?

PC: Hm. (pause) Yeah.

LRH: Registering here that it is. Okay. just wanted you to decide.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. NOW, how about this black triangle incident now? (pause) Well, what do you know?

PC: Didn't go through it. [or might be "We just blew it." - Ed.]

LRH: Okay.

Oh, I happen to know a couple of incidents here. Let me ask you if you've been through these. You ever build roads?

PC: Hm. Didn't like it.

LRH: Nope. How soon after you entered the physical universe, the MEST universe, did you start building roads?

PC: Pardon me, I'm stuck in this.

LRH: How soon afterwards did you start building roads?

PC: I have a feeling it's ... That's what you were started out with.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did something pull you into this universe so you'd build roads?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You got it. What is it? What have you got?

PC: Horns. Horns? I don't know. Vibrations?

LRH: Vibrations? Horns? Beating with clubs? Beating of clubs? Drive you out of it? Drive you into it? Noise?

PC: Yeah. That seems to be the idea.

LRH: Noise. Confusion and noise.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah.

LRH: What do they use, confusion and noise to harass a theta being into being - doing something?

PC: There's a lot of confusion on it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Lot of confusion.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And then did you start building roads?

PC: Mm ... (pause)

LRH: Did you get a drop on that? Building roads?

PC: Yeah. I think so, anyway.

LRH: You see that still needle?

Did you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime in body after body after body on these roads, or anything like that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Or was it roads? Was it the city itself ? Was it masonry, bridges? What? You've got it. What was it?

PC: Well, that sounded better than roads, and then electronics came to mind.

LRH: Oh, they got you in there building electronics, or were they building electronics? Were you building electronic things?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: You were. They put you to work in electronics. Were you designing? Manufacturing? You were manufacturing electronics. Okay. Were there rays?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did they affect you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Badly?

PC: Hm, they had all kinds.

LRH: Mm-hm. How many lives did you spend doing this? One? More than one? I mean body lives now ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... MEST body lives.

PC: Hm, forty, fifty, something like that.

LRH: Forty or fifty MEST body lives? Forty or fifty thousand MEST body lives? That's closer to it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hundred thousand MEST body lives? What did you think of?

PC: I thought it was a long time.

LRH: Long time. Oh, you're getting a feeling of monotony on this, or something.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Getting the feeling like this was a long time? By the way, was there any way they kept you coming into bodies or anything, to do this?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you got it. How'd they do it?

PC: Kind of a keyed ...

LRH: You've got it.

PC: ... I've got it, but I don't know how to describe it. Keyed oscillator or frequency and ...

LRH: Some kind of a crystal.

PC: ... crystals - some kind of an arrangement that was keyed to me and I'd keep coming back.

LRH: Then you'd keep coming back.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they key it on?

PC: Me.

LRH: On your theta body? On a part of your theta body? On your MEST body?

PC: Yeah. MEST Body.

LRH: On a part of your MEST body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they do, hold a piece of your MEST body? Every time you're dead, they had a piece of your MEST body, something like that?

PC: It was done various ways. If you had a MEST body, you kept it in nutrient baths and crystal patterns. Quite sure they were used.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay.

PC: Crystals in which a pattern or frequency or whatever they did with it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... was set up, which contained the identical pattern or field or frequency, whatever it was, of ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... the body. And you could repeat.

LRH: Did you ever have to be trained more than once in your job?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were you trained each life in your job?

PC: Mmm, seems doubtful.

LRH: just maybe trained a few times. Few times? Dozen times? Several dozen times? Did you have four or five jobs in all this time?

PC: Mm-hm. About that. I get twelve.

LRH: About twelve jobs? Well, after you learned how to do a job and you came back into a MEST body again, would you know how to do it again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Would you keep on doing it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh. Would you die then and go into another MEST body and then be back on the same job again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do you like this? Interesting work?

PC: I didn't like it, but they said I did.

LRH: Oh, ha-ha ha-ha. Said you were enthusiastic about it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this what you would call the first sequences of what we know as hypnosis or duress by rays or something of this sort?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm? What would that be? Would that be it?

PC: (pause) Yeah.

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Wondering how long they'd been there before that.

LRH: Oh. (laugh) What eventually happened to this place?

PC: Hmm. Deserted - impression I get.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the name of this place? You got it. What is it?

PC: Something beginning with an A.

LRH: Arsclycus. Okay. Isn't that right?

PC: I don't know. (pause)

LRH: All right. Is this the first cycle, then, of being held to a cycle of lives?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Held to a cycle of lives. Are there others?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many others? You got it. How many?

PC: Ten.

LRH: About ten cycles like this, huh? I mean ten of these things where you repeat lives - bing, bing, bing, bing. Under other circumstances than in Arsclycus?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the last one?

PC: Right now.

LRH: Right now. Okay. Where are the monitors now? (pause) You hit it.

What is it?

PC: I'm hitting it, but I don't know what it means yet.

LRH: Are they MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Are they still there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Just take a rapid summary: How many of your bodies have they got? How many bodies they got to match you? One? Six? What did you get?

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: You got the figure. What was the figure you got?

PC: Seven.

LRH: About seven.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: -Okay. Was that the one you thought of a moment ago?

PC: I didn't get one a moment ago. It went on past me.

LRH: Hey, now wait a minute. Is there an entity blocking out this stuff?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Which one is this one?

PC: Has to do with my eyes.

LRH: Yeah. Is there an entity hanging around your eyes?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that native to you?

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Oh, is it talking?

PC: That stopped it.

LRH: Who's holding that one?

PC: (pause) I don't know.

LRH: Mm-hm. You know. Would you call that ...

PC: Center seems to be holding it, if anything is.

LRH: Center's holding it. Yeah, evidently. Why? Is the center guilty of an overt act against it? The center thinks it needs it?

PC: Mm-hm. Can't see without it.

LRH: Oh? Can't see without it. Who says so?

PC: Mm-hm. This is what I was thinking about.

LRH: Yeah. Is that an occlusion entity?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now we know where the occlusion entity is. (pause)

Okay. There are ten of these periods, then.

Now, let's get on another subject there for a moment. Are there specific times when several theta beings or bodies have been pulled together and joined to you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many of these have happened?

PC: I get three or four.

LRH: Three or four.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You get three and four; in other words, some of them have three and some of them have four. Well, that would be natural, you see, because the two center ones weren't.

Okay. There are three of these periods where you were joined up, then, after. So there's three and four. Okay. We won't bother to trace these right now. Three and four joiners. Now, that's fine.

That's fine.

You've got that eye one clicked in. Key him out now.

PC: Yes. I'm still working on it.

LRH: Is he blowing?

PC: Yeah. He's blowing.

LRH: Thank you. Show people your eyes.

PC: What's the matter with them?

LRH: Sit up and show people your eyes.

PC: Have I still got them?

Female voice: They're still there.

LRH: You can blow him, very easily. Thank you very much, Maurie.

PC: Same to you, Ron.

Now, want to demonstrate this track. This track is very close to constant. It varies in various degrees. There are periods in here when an individual has been one, an entity, or other, may have been space, operating in space; there are periods in here when a person has been this, has been that. And it's very fascinating to find out that what we will quite commonly consider future material is very often past material.

We have gone through a great cycle here on track: a cycle of electronics, thought, electronics, thought. For instance, now and then through history we have tried to regain our periods of being theta beings and controlling things thetawise. You see theta rising up every time you see a highly aesthetic society come into being. And then you see it deteriorate from that high aesthetic down into a MEST society, and it starts going to pieces at this time. And you see the Tone Scale repeated over and over, but this Tone Scale and this cycle is between thought/aesthetics and electronics/MEST force; those two categories. Thought, aesthetics - and thought and aesthetics, they contain such things as spiritualism, mysticism, magic, these various things. And NEST force and so forth, contains such things as standard religions of the past, guillotines, so on.

1 put that in there not for a joke, but because whenever a religion - you see, a religion is different than a religious philosophy, very different - a religion is that thing which is given as a package to a people about which they are not supposed to reason, and under thought and duress is used to control that people onerously. And you find many of these religions are completely bare of aesthetics. And then when they come up to higher levels of action, they actually get up toward theta for a while, and then they will slide back into a MEST religion wholly. They very seldom rise up. That is why an individual is almost never a mystic and a religious person at the same time. We need differentiation in those categories in order to understand that anything used as a control mechanism is the MEST universe: electronics and force. That means control. The MEST universe is terrifically interested in control. The theta universe is interested in freedom. It's interested in aesthetics; it's interested in creativeness. Your MEST universe is chaos.

The theta universe is very orderly. It has extra dimensions. And what you miss in the MEST universe is an ability merely to throw out your hand and have some aesthetic creation come into being. That's theta universe. In the MEST universe you build and build and build and you make this great set very fancy, with great ardure, in a battle of gravity and conquering forces and so on. And at long last you have this enormous, beautiful structure and then somebody comes in - you have a tea table there - and if they're NEST universe people, they come over and they pick up the teacup and find a tiny crack in it and say, "It's cracked."

Well, that's the difference. So what you miss - what your theta beingness misses, is that aesthetic ability to create - to create at will. The universe is murder when it comes to creation. And any of you who started out in life with any slightest inkling or leaning toward the arts - and you'll find this in most children even in kindergarten - you found out that the MEST universe continually crushed the things of beauty that you had, until older people would stand there and accept nothing beautiful from you. You come in with a pretty stone that you have found and you say, 'Look at the colors in this stone,' and they say, 'Wash your hands for dinner.'

MEST universe rejects beauty. It's cruel, terrible and harsh. And that is, actually, the central conflict of man: his theta beingness at war with his MEST beingness.

Now, it is quite remarkable that anything this society will develop in the field of electronics is - to speak very colloquially - old hat. You can take almost any man present, put him on the machine and get his memory realty operating, and open up a well of electronics he never suspected he knew anything about.

The cycle of lives is itself used as a control factor. One of these ten cycles here, any one of them, was primarily interested in controlling the individual so as to make him apply force in a body toward some work being accomplished. Now, those cycles in control gradually got to a point where they found out a new method of control. They say, "Well, you only live one life, and you forget every other life that you ever lived.' And as a result, you have to survive.

And so we get a new Tone Scale; you get a brand-new Tone Scale. This Tone Scale looks like this: up here-and we could have a parity on this, and I wilt draw this as a parity-here is ... [marking on blackboard] The word to describe this best is belongs, because you're part of theta, part of theta. That would be your first universe. Out of that, you get a creation. But this point, "belongs," is left, the moment one individuates.

The next point down here has to do with this universe. One really decides "to be." And in deciding to be, becomes part of the theta universe; but these are many, these theta universes, evidently, and what you would call it, really, would be "home universe."

All right. Home universe is a theta universe. But you see, there could be many theta universes, because theta can create almost at will. So, we have "to be." And that is, by the way, about 40-0.

Now here, when we entered the MEST universe, we got "survive." Right there. At that point of entrance, one was told he had to survive. But this was survive as a consecutive body line or survive because of a purpose. And we get way, way down here close in to present time, some- thing of the sort, and we got survive - this is the lowest order of being - survive as a present time body for the sake of the body.

Now, there are your states of being on a Tone Scale. There at the top, you belong, individuate and decide to be. Then, as you come into the MEST universe, you decide to survive over a long period of line toward certain things or cause certain survivals. And then away down here you get survival as a present time body just for the sake of that body. Now, that's really decayed.

Now, in order to regain this level, your Tone Scale goes right straight on up. And where you're interested, you're interested in taking your pc out here; right there at "survive," the first "survive": entrance into the MEST universe. Because if you do that, he can still operate in the MEST universe, he can stilt operate in a body, and so on. But if he ever gets there, you're not going to be in a position where you're going to be able to tell him where he should stop. There's a great possibility that he'll hit here or he'll go right back there. Or there's a great possibility that he may go out and create a new universe. The entity which we ust hit here was operating on a fear of "Don't go back to that universe." That is not a native ambition; I think you recognize that. Yeah.

All right. There then is a picture of the track, and also a picture of the Tone Scale. Your standard track map more or less fills in, in incidents of - more or less of the character I've just written in here. Maurie is very accurate on this; he's very straight. And your first is your individuation. Sometimes there's an individuation of one and then an individuation of another one and its unition: they unite with different goals to do something, and the next thing you know, they decide to be and they go into home universe, a creative thing, and they're all very fine. And one day out of curiosity, adventurousness or something of the sort - or by getting sort of pulled out of it - they all of a sudden wind up in the MEST universe.

And we all seem to have more or less entered the MEST universe, thetawise, through the same hole. But then there's a distinct possibility that there are MEST universe people who are older than this level or formed differently than this. That distinct possibility faces you.

So, what do we have here? Got this MEST universe. Generally, there was a society here shortly after entrance which really formed a static, because the fellow did the same thing time after time after time after time after time. He was born, grew rapidly and was trained. All right, he was trained. Now, the next thing he did after he was trained was go to work. And what was the work? You got some kind of an idea? Manufacturing electronics would be the same motions practically. You get out of some preclears that they'd even stuff them with food so they wouldn't have to feed them every two weeks. If they sassed a guard or something like that, they had a part of them or had a field that matched them back in the guardhouse, and all you had to do was turn a switch and this fellow was in bad shape right away. At a vast distance, he was in bad shape. How do you like this electronically? Boy, could you sell this to the federal government!

Anyway, the name of this universe is Arsclycus. Now, there are some joiners in here on this track, and then there's this installed-emotions incident. There are these various periods of reliving lives over and over. And then there's some more odds and ends of incident, like added entities, subtracted entities. Someplace or other on the track, a person has agreed to do almost anything. And here is this last cycle, and I want to show you - while we're on this and so on - about the last cycle.

Well, what about taking a break first? Would you like to? And let me tell you about this last cycle? And then we're all through.