Its name may have been Smith for a long time. Now this is simply theory, unchecked, but it could account for this very interesting manifestation of a similarity of physiology from generation to generation in one family, but marked differences of personality. Because your protoplasm lines, evolutionary line, is entered at random by theta bodies. Very few theta bodies go on being Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith; they go Smith, Jones, Bersawisky - anything. Well, you see how that would operate.

Its name may have been Smith for a long time. Now this is simply theory, unchecked, but it could account for this very interesting manifestation of a similarity of physiology from generation to generation in one family, but marked differences of personality. Because your protoplasm lines, evolutionary line, is entered at random by theta bodies. Very few theta bodies go on being Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith; they go Smith, Jones, Bersawisky - anything. Well, you see how that would operate.

Another thing is dreams. This makes dreams quite comprehensible. A dream could be occasioned in several ways. One of the ways it could be occasioned is by an aesthetic production by one of the entities - just a straight aesthetic production. Another way that it could be occasioned is by an entity reliving or reexperiencing some incident in its past. And that's a - been a long past. And it could be another entity suddenly awake and picking the data bank of a dramatizing entity. See, this entity B over here is in this incident. And all of a sudden, although the preclear is mostly asleep, your incident, then, is picked up telepathically. And what you record onto the state of beingness which you are at the time - which, by the way, is the only thing that's going awake and asleep - the being which you are or the entity which you are at the time goes awake and asleep and the others just are more or less asleep anyhow. And what you have there, then, is this entity which is asleep - going to sleep, leaving the other entities quite free to express themselves one way or another, unmonitored inside the body. And they will actually astral walk in sleep, they'll go off other places, they'll wander around and so on. They do that in the daytime, anyhow, too. And you get this "cross-telepathy," so on.

Another thing is dreams. This makes dreams quite comprehensible. A dream could be occasioned in several ways. One of the ways it could be occasioned is by an aesthetic production by one of the entities - just a straight aesthetic production. Another way that it could be occasioned is by an entity reliving or reexperiencing some incident in its past. And that's a - been a long past. And it could be another entity suddenly awake and picking the data bank of a dramatizing entity. See, this entity B over here is in this incident. And all of a sudden, although the preclear is mostly asleep, your incident, then, is picked up telepathically. And what you record onto the state of beingness which you are at the time - which, by the way, is the only thing that's going awake and asleep - the being which you are or the entity which you are at the time goes awake and asleep and the others just are more or less asleep anyhow. And what you have there, then, is this entity which is asleep - going to sleep, leaving the other entities quite free to express themselves one way or another, unmonitored inside the body. And they will actually astral walk in sleep, they'll go off other places, they'll wander around and so on. They do that in the daytime, anyhow, too. And you get this "cross-telepathy," so on.

Your electronics people, that is to say, the native MEST universe people (God forgive us!)

Your electronics people, that is to say, the native MEST universe people (God forgive us!)

& has the idea that an imagination is only possible - has an imagination which is only capable of fitting together the component parts of what the individual already knows and has seen and experienced. Uh-huh.

& has the idea that an imagination is only possible - has an imagination which is only capable of fitting together the component parts of what the individual already knows and has seen and experienced. Uh-huh.

This is what an electronics computer would work like. Theta is quite aesthetic and it is capable of tailor-making something out of whole cloth. But you take an entity or a theta being which has been told, by actual count, eight quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-two million, nine hundred and fifty-four billion, eight hundred and sixty- seven million, three hundred and twenty-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-two and a half times, by almost that many mothers, "You mustn't use your imagination!" And the fellow becomes convinced after a while that it's only safe to (quote) "imagine" what he has been told he could imagine.

This is what an electronics computer would work like. Theta is quite aesthetic and it is capable of tailor-making something out of whole cloth. But you take an entity or a theta being which has been told, by actual count, eight quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-two million, nine hundred and fifty-four billion, eight hundred and sixty- seven million, three hundred and twenty-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-two and a half times, by almost that many mothers, "You mustn't use your imagination!" And the fellow becomes convinced after a while that it's only safe to (quote) "imagine" what he has been told he could imagine.

Theta beingness can soar on imagination to unbelievable heights of new construction, because that's what theta does.

Theta beingness can soar on imagination to unbelievable heights of new construction, because that's what theta does.

Theta does not experience. Experience is something native in the MEST universe - sort of nasty stuff that people said you had to have. But you don't have to have it; you can extrapolate any experience in any direction, but practically no person at the state that the world is in and the race is in at the moment does this kind of an operation. They just don 't operate this way. They don't imagine, that's all. Imagination is practically dead.

Theta does not experience. Experience is something native in the MEST universe - sort of nasty stuff that people said you had to have. But you don't have to have it; you can extrapolate any experience in any direction, but practically no person at the state that the world is in and the race is in at the moment does this kind of an operation. They just don 't operate this way. They don't imagine, that's all. Imagination is practically dead.

The theta being and its partner are the imaginers, and they're in such bad states that there isn't much you can do about it - as witness most of the popular magazine stories today. They're all down in the apathy band.

The theta being and its partner are the imaginers, and they're in such bad states that there isn't much you can do about it - as witness most of the popular magazine stories today. They're all down in the apathy band.

Now, something else you might like to know about this. There are several things you might like to know about this that have turned up from one time or another. And this is going to come up here in the rest of this, but I want to comment on it this place, and then comment on it in what is the next lecture, because it's something you will find very interesting.

Now, something else you might like to know about this. There are several things you might like to know about this that have turned up from one time or another. And this is going to come up here in the rest of this, but I want to comment on it this place, and then comment on it in what is the next lecture, because it's something you will find very interesting.

Evidently, and I won't say this certainly, emotion is installed. It is an installed thing; its MEST universe installed - what you call emotion. Boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief and apathy are carefully installed; they are nothing else but installed! And boy, that's very important to you because you can knock out the whole emotional bank by auditing on the theta being side. (audience laughter)

Evidently, and I won't say this certainly, emotion is installed. It is an installed thing; its MEST universe installed - what you call emotion. Boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief and apathy are carefully installed; they are nothing else but installed! And boy, that's very important to you because you can knock out the whole emotional bank by auditing on the theta being side. (audience laughter)

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

[The pc sounds female]

[The pc sounds female]

Ok let's take a look at the track.

Ok let's take a look at the track.

LRH: How old are you, natively? (pause) What did you think of?

LRH: How old are you, natively? (pause) What did you think of?

PC: Ages.

PC: Ages.

LRH: Ages. Is it worse than ages?

LRH: Ages. Is it worse than ages?

PC: Immeasurable, by present-day standards.

PC: Immeasurable, by present-day standards.

LRH: Immeasurable. Pretty long, then. How about a trillion years?

LRH: Immeasurable. Pretty long, then. How about a trillion years?

PC: Possibly longer than that.

PC: Possibly longer than that.

LRH: Trillions? Way up there. Millions? What did you think of?

LRH: Trillions? Way up there. Millions? What did you think of?

PC: Three or four trillion.

PC: Three or four trillion.

LRH: Three or four trillions. You three or four trillion years old? Well, we'll take that as an answer because there shouldn't be very much charge on it - the person is.

LRH: Three or four trillions. You three or four trillion years old? Well, we'll take that as an answer because there shouldn't be very much charge on it - the person is.

Were you initially just one? Mm-hm? Which one is that now?

Were you initially just one? Mm-hm? Which one is that now?

PC: Me? Possibly.

PC: Me? Possibly.

LRH: Me. Where is it resident?

LRH: Me. Where is it resident?

PC: Within me.

PC: Within me.

LRH: All through you? Okay, that's fine.

LRH: All through you? Okay, that's fine.

Now, we'll just plot this. And what I'm showing you here is how to plot a track, not the plot of a track. You get the difference? This is how to plot a track.

Now, we'll just plot this. And what I'm showing you here is how to plot a track, not the plot of a track. You get the difference? This is how to plot a track.

[question from audience - unintelligible]

[question from audience - unintelligible]

Okay. NOW, here we have-let's take it up here [marking on black board] and let's take it - inception. And here we have one being, and we're going out on a time line here, from there to present time according to the machine, of three to four trillion years. Now, let's find out what's happened in those three or four trillion years.

Okay. NOW, here we have-let's take it up here [marking on black board] and let's take it - inception. And here we have one being, and we're going out on a time line here, from there to present time according to the machine, of three to four trillion years. Now, let's find out what's happened in those three or four trillion years.

Take a look here at the E-Meter. Did this - what did you think of?

Take a look here at the E-Meter. Did this - what did you think of?

A lot of things happened? What did you think of?

A lot of things happened? What did you think of?

PC: Well, I was thinking about some ancient buildings.

PC: Well, I was thinking about some ancient buildings.

LRH: Some ancient buildings. Mm-hm. These in the theta universe or the MEST universe.

LRH: Some ancient buildings. Mm-hm. These in the theta universe or the MEST universe.

PC: In the MEST universe.

PC: In the MEST universe.

LRH: Yeah, well, that's ... Ah, between lives?

LRH: Yeah, well, that's ... Ah, between lives?

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

LRH: MEST universe between lives?

LRH: MEST universe between lives?

PC: Possibly.

PC: Possibly.

LRH: Or before the between-lives cycle?

LRH: Or before the between-lives cycle?

Before the between-lives cycle. Is that where you lived before ... Is that before earth? Is that on earth7

Before the between-lives cycle. Is that where you lived before ... Is that before earth? Is that on earth7

PC: No!

PC: No!

LRH: No? All right, the machine drops; says no. Where was it? In this system? In this planetary system?

LRH: No? All right, the machine drops; says no. Where was it? In this system? In this planetary system?

PC: Um-very, very far away.

PC: Um-very, very far away.

LRH: Very far away. This galaxy?

LRH: Very far away. This galaxy?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Another island galaxy?

LRH: Another island galaxy?

PC: Well, I get the impression of a very, very bright star.

PC: Well, I get the impression of a very, very bright star.

LRH: A very bright star, maybe another galaxy. A long way off, huh? At least a long way off. How long ago was this? Order of magnitude?

LRH: A very bright star, maybe another galaxy. A long way off, huh? At least a long way off. How long ago was this? Order of magnitude?

PC: Oh, couple of million years ago, possibly.

PC: Oh, couple of million years ago, possibly.

LRH: Two million years ago? Something like that?

LRH: Two million years ago? Something like that?

PC: No, longer than that.

PC: No, longer than that.

LRH: Three million?

LRH: Three million?

PC: Eight.

PC: Eight.

LRH: Eight million? Eight million? Two million? Three? Four? Between three and four? What are you thinking of?

LRH: Eight million? Eight million? Two million? Three? Four? Between three and four? What are you thinking of?

PC: I'm just watching that.

PC: I'm just watching that.

LRH: You're not thinking.

LRH: You're not thinking.

PC: (laughter) It said eight, possibly more.

PC: (laughter) It said eight, possibly more.

LRH: Oh, you're looking at this needle to check it?

LRH: Oh, you're looking at this needle to check it?

PC: Well, is it - does it - okay, maybe it's best I don't look.

PC: Well, is it - does it - okay, maybe it's best I don't look.

LRH: She's guessing against the needle now. Well, that's all right; you can do that. It doesn't invalidate the needle any. just makes it a little bit slower to answer.

LRH: She's guessing against the needle now. Well, that's all right; you can do that. It doesn't invalidate the needle any. just makes it a little bit slower to answer.

Was it eight million years ago? Two? Three? Four? Five? Five million years ago? Okay, that's good enough. What's a million years?

Was it eight million years ago? Two? Three? Four? Five? Five million years ago? Okay, that's good enough. What's a million years?

NOW, right down here, we're going to mark in "present time." Now we're going to go back here eight million years. I mean - what was that?

NOW, right down here, we're going to mark in "present time." Now we're going to go back here eight million years. I mean - what was that?

PC: Five.

PC: Five.

LRH: Five million.

LRH: Five million.

& Ah, what's five million years.

& Ah, what's five million years.

Female voice: Five million.

Female voice: Five million.

LRH: Well, what's five million? Okay, five million years ago, there's something on the track there. Ancient buildings. Did these blow up?

LRH: Well, what's five million? Okay, five million years ago, there's something on the track there. Ancient buildings. Did these blow up?

They blew up. Was that a whole civilization blowing up?

They blew up. Was that a whole civilization blowing up?

PC: I think ...

PC: I think ...

LRH: Is it? Whole civilization blow up?

LRH: Is it? Whole civilization blow up?

PC: I just get ...

PC: I just get ...

LRH: Whole thing blew up! What were the buildings like? Very pretty.?

LRH: Whole thing blew up! What were the buildings like? Very pretty.?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Looked like Angkor Vat, that right?

LRH: Looked like Angkor Vat, that right?

[The R&D provides an interesting note here on Angkor Vat: a temple complex built in Cambodia in the 1100s, in the ancient city of Angkor (capital of an early civilization in Cambodia). Angkor Vat covers nearly one square mile and is rectangular and pyramidal in form. It has three stories, with towers, porticoes (porches consisting of a roof supported by columns, often at the entrance or across the front of a building), galleries (covered walks open at one side or having the roof supported by pillars), stairways, etc. The entire structure is covered with exquisite carvings. After Angkor was conquered by the Siamese in the fourteenth century, the city and its temples, in ruins, became buried in the jungle. The site was discovered by a French botanist in 1860.]

[The R&D provides an interesting note here on Angkor Vat: a temple complex built in Cambodia in the 1100s, in the ancient city of Angkor (capital of an early civilization in Cambodia). Angkor Vat covers nearly one square mile and is rectangular and pyramidal in form. It has three stories, with towers, porticoes (porches consisting of a roof supported by columns, often at the entrance or across the front of a building), galleries (covered walks open at one side or having the roof supported by pillars), stairways, etc. The entire structure is covered with exquisite carvings. After Angkor was conquered by the Siamese in the fourteenth century, the city and its temples, in ruins, became buried in the jungle. The site was discovered by a French botanist in 1860.]

PC: Mm-hm!

PC: Mm-hm!

LRH: just about, okay. All right. Now ...

LRH: just about, okay. All right. Now ...

PC: Lots of spirals.

PC: Lots of spirals.

LRH: Yeah, that's right. Okay. Now let's take another look at - and by the way, I want to do this rapidly for you and I'm throwing in another variable here on you; I'm actually going to read by nothing but the meter. But you can spend hours doing this, and so I'm going to pick it up much more rapidly, if it's all right with you, okay? just know what I'm doing here.

LRH: Yeah, that's right. Okay. Now let's take another look at - and by the way, I want to do this rapidly for you and I'm throwing in another variable here on you; I'm actually going to read by nothing but the meter. But you can spend hours doing this, and so I'm going to pick it up much more rapidly, if it's all right with you, okay? just know what I'm doing here.

All right, were you yourself in that society? (pause) Were you a slave?

All right, were you yourself in that society? (pause) Were you a slave?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No. You were an important person? Mm-hm? That was a high point on your track, perhaps? No.

LRH: No. You were an important person? Mm-hm? That was a high point on your track, perhaps? No.

It isn't a charged point either, is it? Yeah, a little bit. What happened there to you that was bad?

It isn't a charged point either, is it? Yeah, a little bit. What happened there to you that was bad?

PC: Did something I shouldn't do.

PC: Did something I shouldn't do.

LRH: Oh, big overt act?

LRH: Oh, big overt act?

PC: No, just killed everybody! (audience laughter)

PC: No, just killed everybody! (audience laughter)

LRH: Well, well, well, well.

LRH: Well, well, well, well.

PC: (laugh) No!

PC: (laugh) No!

LRH: Was it a dull afternoon or something? (audience laughter) It was a dull afternoon! Was there any more cause for it than that?

LRH: Was it a dull afternoon or something? (audience laughter) It was a dull afternoon! Was there any more cause for it than that?

PC: (laugh) No.

PC: (laugh) No.

LRH: That's right, that's the way we used to be. Happy people. (audience laughter) Well, that's an overt act, huh?

LRH: That's right, that's the way we used to be. Happy people. (audience laughter) Well, that's an overt act, huh?

PC: I - I did something; I made an experiment.

PC: I - I did something; I made an experiment.

LRH: Made an experiment.

LRH: Made an experiment.

PC: (laugh) And the whole place blew up.

PC: (laugh) And the whole place blew up.

LRH: The whole place blew up. Well-well, that's one less civilization ...

LRH: The whole place blew up. Well-well, that's one less civilization ...

PC: That's what my curiosity got.

PC: That's what my curiosity got.

LRH: Now, get a good, clear recall, get the realest moment in that. What's the realest moment in it to you?

LRH: Now, get a good, clear recall, get the realest moment in that. What's the realest moment in it to you?

PC: I pushed something.

PC: I pushed something.

LRH: All right, is that good and real to you? Is there another moment there in that civilization that's quite real to you? Any part of that cycle, any part of that particular civilization? Got something there that's really nice and real?

LRH: All right, is that good and real to you? Is there another moment there in that civilization that's quite real to you? Any part of that cycle, any part of that particular civilization? Got something there that's really nice and real?

PC: A very tall man.

PC: A very tall man.

LRH: A very tall man. Yea-yea! Is he real to you? Just want to pick up the reality level on it. How's your communication with this very tall man? Is he antipathetic to you? He like you?

LRH: A very tall man. Yea-yea! Is he real to you? Just want to pick up the reality level on it. How's your communication with this very tall man? Is he antipathetic to you? He like you?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: He didn't like you. Oh! He didn't like you. Was that the trouble?

LRH: He didn't like you. Oh! He didn't like you. Was that the trouble?

PC: Oh, no. No, I - I did - did something I shouldn't have done.

PC: Oh, no. No, I - I did - did something I shouldn't have done.

LRH: You did something you shouldn't have done. All right.

LRH: You did something you shouldn't have done. All right.

PC: Yes, I was fooling around in something I shouldn't have ...

PC: Yes, I was fooling around in something I shouldn't have ...

LRH: He told you so.

LRH: He told you so.

PC: Yes, he did!

PC: Yes, he did!

LRH: Was this man related to you?

LRH: Was this man related to you?

PC: No. No, he's the - the head of it.

PC: No. No, he's the - the head of it.

LRH: Oh, he ruled the place.

LRH: Oh, he ruled the place.

PC: No, he wasn't the ruler. He - he was in charge of whatever I was doing; it's some sort of laboratorial work.

PC: No, he wasn't the ruler. He - he was in charge of whatever I was doing; it's some sort of laboratorial work.

LRH: Oh, I see.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: And uh ...

PC: And uh ...

LRH: Have you liked chemistry since?

LRH: Have you liked chemistry since?

PC: Oh, no!

PC: Oh, no!

LRH: Simple explanations for these things.

LRH: Simple explanations for these things.

PC: I flunked it every time.

PC: I flunked it every time.

LRH: You see what it takes to get - educate one theta being? Does a theta being need education?

LRH: You see what it takes to get - educate one theta being? Does a theta being need education?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: How does it feel to be educated? Good?

LRH: How does it feel to be educated? Good?

PC: Well, of course.

PC: Well, of course.

LRH: It feels good to be educated?

LRH: It feels good to be educated?

PC: Not necessarily educated.

PC: Not necessarily educated.

LRH: How about the process of getting educated? Is that good?

LRH: How about the process of getting educated? Is that good?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: That's right, no good. Okay. Well, we've got an incident here, this is a minor overt act. (audience laughter)

LRH: That's right, no good. Okay. Well, we've got an incident here, this is a minor overt act. (audience laughter)

Minor overt act on the - she probably considered that on the fourth dynamic. Would you say it was the fourth?

Minor overt act on the - she probably considered that on the fourth dynamic. Would you say it was the fourth?

PC: Pretty definitely.

PC: Pretty definitely.

LRH: Okay. How have you felt about the fourth since? Been very defensive?

LRH: Okay. How have you felt about the fourth since? Been very defensive?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make any sense to you suddenly?

LRH: Mm-hm. Make any sense to you suddenly?

PC: Very much so.

PC: Very much so.

LRH: It does? Good. Well, we're trying to build track, not to make you happier. (laugh)

LRH: It does? Good. Well, we're trying to build track, not to make you happier. (laugh)

Okay, let's get on with this. That remark killed off a little bit of sympathy, didn't it? Killed off a little bit of rapport with you, didn't it?

Okay, let's get on with this. That remark killed off a little bit of sympathy, didn't it? Killed off a little bit of rapport with you, didn't it?

No? No, that's fine. That's fine. All right (having reestablished it), we'll get another matter now. Have you ever been put together with some other souls? Some other beings?

No? No, that's fine. That's fine. All right (having reestablished it), we'll get another matter now. Have you ever been put together with some other souls? Some other beings?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah. When? When is the first time you picked up ...

LRH: Yeah. When? When is the first time you picked up ...

PC: Well, I did a damned fool thing.

PC: Well, I did a damned fool thing.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was curious.

PC: I was curious.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I don't get any visio on this at all, Ron.

PC: I don't get any visio on this at all, Ron.

LRH: You don't?

LRH: You don't?

PC: But just the feeling. I was very curious about something and - and I - I cut my nose off to spite my face.

PC: But just the feeling. I was very curious about something and - and I - I cut my nose off to spite my face.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago was this?

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago was this?

PC: Oh, ages ago. Long, long time ago.

PC: Oh, ages ago. Long, long time ago.

LRH: Uh-huh, what did you do? Volunteer?

LRH: Uh-huh, what did you do? Volunteer?

PC: No, somebody told me so ...

PC: No, somebody told me so ...

LRH: Mm-hm. And you did something.

LRH: Mm-hm. And you did something.

PC: ... that I better watch out, but I did it anyway.

PC: ... that I better watch out, but I did it anyway.

LRH: And it was curious ...

LRH: And it was curious ...

PC: Uh-huh.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Curiosity? It was

LRH: Curiosity? It was

PC: I wanted to find out what would happen.

PC: I wanted to find out what would happen.

LRH: Trying to find out, huh? Well, is this after the civilization blew up?

LRH: Trying to find out, huh? Well, is this after the civilization blew up?

PC: Oh, yes! A long time after that.

PC: Oh, yes! A long time after that.

LRH: A long time after this blew up. Mm-hm. What did you think of?

LRH: A long time after this blew up. Mm-hm. What did you think of?

Got a nice drop here.

Got a nice drop here.

PC: Well ...

PC: Well ...

LRH: Before the civilization blew up?

LRH: Before the civilization blew up?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: After?

LRH: After?

PC: Seems to me it was after.

PC: Seems to me it was after.

LRH: After? After it blew up? Before it blew up? Which? What are you getting confused on this?

LRH: After? After it blew up? Before it blew up? Which? What are you getting confused on this?

PC: After. After.

PC: After. After.

LRH: I wonder if this was the MEST universe? Yeah, MEST universe. What did you think of? Was it - you thought of after?

LRH: I wonder if this was the MEST universe? Yeah, MEST universe. What did you think of? Was it - you thought of after?

PC: I thought of after. After this deal blew up because I knew more before it - I mean, I knew more when it blew up than I did when this happened.

PC: I thought of after. After this deal blew up because I knew more before it - I mean, I knew more when it blew up than I did when this happened.

LRH: Is there a big - a big impact in that blowup?

LRH: Is there a big - a big impact in that blowup?

PC: You mean physically?

PC: You mean physically?

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Thetawise?

PC: Thetawise?

LRH: No, physically.

LRH: No, physically.

PC: Well, physically - heck, it got - I was dead.

PC: Well, physically - heck, it got - I was dead.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, this might be, then. Is there sort of a jam around this incident? I mean, is there a sort of a grouper? Or is this grouper when you got curious and joined up with some other souls? Is this what's the grouper?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, this might be, then. Is there sort of a jam around this incident? I mean, is there a sort of a grouper? Or is this grouper when you got curious and joined up with some other souls? Is this what's the grouper?

PC: That may be it.

PC: That may be it.

LRH: Is that the grouper? Mm-hm. Have you regretted that very much? Well, it's not terribly bad. That's after this blowup? Okay. How many years afterwards? Halfway to present time?

LRH: Is that the grouper? Mm-hm. Have you regretted that very much? Well, it's not terribly bad. That's after this blowup? Okay. How many years afterwards? Halfway to present time?

PC: Oh, no.

PC: Oh, no.

LRH: Two thousand years ago?

LRH: Two thousand years ago?

PC: No, it's longer than that, much longer than that.

PC: No, it's longer than that, much longer than that.

LRH: Thirty-five thousand?

LRH: Thirty-five thousand?

PC: It's closer to about a million and a half years ago.

PC: It's closer to about a million and a half years ago.

LRH: Million and a half years ago. Okay. Million and a half years ago?

LRH: Million and a half years ago. Okay. Million and a half years ago?

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Yeah, that's close enough. What's a million and a half?

LRH: Yeah, that's close enough. What's a million and a half?

PC: It's a million-maybe two.

PC: It's a million-maybe two.

LRH: That's practically present time.

LRH: That's practically present time.

PC: Two - it's two. Now it's two; it's going up now - look. (audience laughter)

PC: Two - it's two. Now it's two; it's going up now - look. (audience laughter)

LRH: Two million.

LRH: Two million.

PC: Okay. It's way up now. What do you ...

PC: Okay. It's way up now. What do you ...

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Huh?

PC: What was that?

PC: What was that?

LRH: Oh, it's just - you just got some charge on this. Now, how many souls ... Did you get put together with some other souls?

LRH: Oh, it's just - you just got some charge on this. Now, how many souls ... Did you get put together with some other souls?

PC: Couple of hundred of them.

PC: Couple of hundred of them.

LRH: Couple of hundred of them?

LRH: Couple of hundred of them?

PC: But they're not all there now. I mean, I don't have them all with me now.

PC: But they're not all there now. I mean, I don't have them all with me now.

LRH: Oh, they're not all there now.

LRH: Oh, they're not all there now.

PC: But at the time ...

PC: But at the time ...

LRH: What was the circumstances surrounding this? just tell me rapidly.

LRH: What was the circumstances surrounding this? just tell me rapidly.

You needn't be coy about it, people here can understand.

You needn't be coy about it, people here can understand.

PC: Well, I - I - the - the concepts are not clear. I mean, they don't come as fast as I like them to; there's a lot of occlusion here. Apparently we got all stuck together because we didn't want that to happen again.

PC: Well, I - I - the - the concepts are not clear. I mean, they don't come as fast as I like them to; there's a lot of occlusion here. Apparently we got all stuck together because we didn't want that to happen again.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: When this explosion occurred.

PC: When this explosion occurred.

LRH: Mm-hm. Didn't want that to happen again.

LRH: Mm-hm. Didn't want that to happen again.

PC: No. And we figured if we stuck together, I wouldn't make any more experiments.

PC: No. And we figured if we stuck together, I wouldn't make any more experiments.

LRH: That's the - kind of the way it goes. This is a late joiner. Were you operating on a compulsion because of earlier incidents joining you up? Other things? What did you think of?

LRH: That's the - kind of the way it goes. This is a late joiner. Were you operating on a compulsion because of earlier incidents joining you up? Other things? What did you think of?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No? All right. Are there earlier incidents where you're joined up with others?

LRH: No? All right. Are there earlier incidents where you're joined up with others?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No earlier incidents? Hah! What did you think of?

LRH: No earlier incidents? Hah! What did you think of?

PC: Well, whether it was so or not.

PC: Well, whether it was so or not.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: No. I don't ...

PC: No. I don't ...

LRH: Okay. All right, let me go off on this track. Is there an incident there where emotions are installed in you?

LRH: Okay. All right, let me go off on this track. Is there an incident there where emotions are installed in you?

PC: (yawn)

PC: (yawn)

LRH: Can you pick that up?

LRH: Can you pick that up?

PC: Well, I'm thinking now of - of a slimy place.

PC: Well, I'm thinking now of - of a slimy place.

LRH: A slimy place?

LRH: A slimy place?

PC: With a lot of big animals in it.

PC: With a lot of big animals in it.

LRH: Oh, a swamp?

LRH: Oh, a swamp?

PC: Looks like a prehistoric scene.

PC: Looks like a prehistoric scene.

LRH: What's this? Earth?

LRH: What's this? Earth?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this the somatic soul, earth?

LRH: Is this the somatic soul, earth?

PC: Hm.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Somatic entity, earth?

LRH: Somatic entity, earth?

PC: Possibly.

PC: Possibly.

LRH: Is it earth?

LRH: Is it earth?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yes. Uhm ...

PC: Yes. Uhm ...

LRH: Nothing much on this ...

LRH: Nothing much on this ...

PC: There's brontosaurus and dinosaurs and oh ...

PC: There's brontosaurus and dinosaurs and oh ...

LRH: Is this a million-million years ago7

LRH: Is this a million-million years ago7

PC: Uh ...

PC: Uh ...

LRH: What are we on here now, the somatic line? Mm-hm. Thought so. Let's get on back on the theta line, huh? Now, did the theta being ever get joined to anybody else? (pause) What did you think of?

LRH: What are we on here now, the somatic line? Mm-hm. Thought so. Let's get on back on the theta line, huh? Now, did the theta being ever get joined to anybody else? (pause) What did you think of?

PC: When this explosion took place ...

PC: When this explosion took place ...

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... that's when I said we all joined up together so I wouldn't make any ...

PC: ... that's when I said we all joined up together so I wouldn't make any ...

LRH: Yeah. All right.

LRH: Yeah. All right.

PC: ... I would be controlled.

PC: ... I would be controlled.

LRH: Okay. You consented to it?

LRH: Okay. You consented to it?

PC: Really.

PC: Really.

LRH: Where were you standing when you consented to it?

LRH: Where were you standing when you consented to it?

PC: I wasn't standing anyplace; I was floating around in the air.

PC: I wasn't standing anyplace; I was floating around in the air.

LRH: Okay. And what ...

LRH: Okay. And what ...

PC: We had a big confab.

PC: We had a big confab.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And they said, "Well, she's got to be toned down a little bit. She's - she's too curious."

PC: And they said, "Well, she's got to be toned down a little bit. She's - she's too curious."

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: "These things mustn't happen anymore."

PC: "These things mustn't happen anymore."

LRH: Mm-hm. And you agreed to it?

LRH: Mm-hm. And you agreed to it?

PC: Well, if I blew up a whole lot of people, who wouldn't?

PC: Well, if I blew up a whole lot of people, who wouldn't?

LRH: Why? Is there deep regret on this? Is that why you agreed to it?

LRH: Why? Is there deep regret on this? Is that why you agreed to it?

PC: Well, I - I don't like to kill people.

PC: Well, I - I don't like to kill people.

LRH: Why not?

LRH: Why not?

PC: Well, you're not supposed to.

PC: Well, you're not supposed to.

LRH: Who said so?

LRH: Who said so?

PC: They did.

PC: They did.

LRH: Yeah, who's "they"?

LRH: Yeah, who's "they"?

PC: Well, that's why I'm here in the first place.

PC: Well, that's why I'm here in the first place.

LRH: Oh! That's why you're here in the first place? On earth in the first place?

LRH: Oh! That's why you're here in the first place? On earth in the first place?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. This is a later incident, though?

LRH: Mm-hm. This is a later incident, though?

PC: No. No, no.

PC: No. No, no.

LRH: No?

LRH: No?

PC: No, it tie - ties in with all the rest of them.

PC: No, it tie - ties in with all the rest of them.

LRH: Oh!

LRH: Oh!

PC: With the original one: the reason that I was so curious.

PC: With the original one: the reason that I was so curious.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: See, and I had to go find out.

PC: See, and I had to go find out.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I wanted to know what was - what was going on.

PC: I wanted to know what was - what was going on.

LRH: Okay. All right. Now, present time.

LRH: Okay. All right. Now, present time.

[to audience] We've got this problem here; it's a relatively simple problem. Here's a track chart. This track chart is demanding an incident to be run. This incident, of course, is probably that incident. Now, so what you get here: you're getting a small machine reaction. She said "eight" once and we got a reaction on it, and I can believe the machine, so it was eight.

[to audience] We've got this problem here; it's a relatively simple problem. Here's a track chart. This track chart is demanding an incident to be run. This incident, of course, is probably that incident. Now, so what you get here: you're getting a small machine reaction. She said "eight" once and we got a reaction on it, and I can believe the machine, so it was eight.

All right. Now, this incident, in other words, is overt on four, and it's all the further we're going to get with this track, that's all. There'd be no sense in wasting any more time on it till we just blow this thing.

All right. Now, this incident, in other words, is overt on four, and it's all the further we're going to get with this track, that's all. There'd be no sense in wasting any more time on it till we just blow this thing.

Now actually, you could probably blow it, more or less, by Strightwire and realization. Person thinks it over for a while - blows it. Could do. Very possibly you'd have to be audited, and the regret taken off of the thing. And then you'd find other incidents showing up here on the track as we went on up. Okay?

Now actually, you could probably blow it, more or less, by Strightwire and realization. Person thinks it over for a while - blows it. Could do. Very possibly you'd have to be audited, and the regret taken off of the thing. And then you'd find other incidents showing up here on the track as we went on up. Okay?

[to pc] Okay?

[to pc] Okay?

PC: Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH: All right. All right.

& Oh no. Oh no (laugh)

& Oh no. Oh no (laugh)

[to audience] Okay, there's one - there's one pc as part of the track. Let's take a clean slate here. Take a nice clean slate. [lots of noise]

[to audience] Okay, there's one - there's one pc as part of the track. Let's take a clean slate here. Take a nice clean slate. [lots of noise]

[to pc] Thank you very much.

[to pc] Thank you very much.

PC: You're welcome.

PC: You're welcome.

LRH: And also a clean pencil.

LRH: And also a clean pencil.

[to next pc] And how old are you, Maurie? You got it. How old was that?

[to next pc] And how old are you, Maurie? You got it. How old was that?

[New pc - male]

[New pc - male]

PC: Four, I got.

PC: Four, I got.

LRH: Four what? Is this just the present life age flash of one being? Four million?

LRH: Four what? Is this just the present life age flash of one being? Four million?

PC: I think trillion.

PC: I think trillion.

LRH: Trillion? Yeah, great. Now, were you one being four trillion years ago?

LRH: Trillion? Yeah, great. Now, were you one being four trillion years ago?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Two beings?

LRH: Two beings?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. Two beings. All right. And these two beings were - did they - were they joined by force or something? Were they joined ...

LRH: Okay. Two beings. All right. And these two beings were - did they - were they joined by force or something? Were they joined ...

PC: I get a mixed reaction on that.

PC: I get a mixed reaction on that.

LRH: Uh-huh. Would you rather they'd never been joined?

LRH: Uh-huh. Would you rather they'd never been joined?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Why did they join up? You thought of it - what was it?

LRH: Mm-hm. Why did they join up? You thought of it - what was it?

PC: Um - thought they could do something more in combination than they could singly.

PC: Um - thought they could do something more in combination than they could singly.

LRH: Mm-hm. That's right. And did each one have the same goals or they have different goals?

LRH: Mm-hm. That's right. And did each one have the same goals or they have different goals?

PC: Different.

PC: Different.

LRH: Different goals. Are these goals in conflict with each other - any degree?

LRH: Different goals. Are these goals in conflict with each other - any degree?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: To what universe did these goals apply?

LRH: To what universe did these goals apply?

PC: Theta.

PC: Theta.

LRH: Theta universe. Do they fit with the MEST universe?

LRH: Theta universe. Do they fit with the MEST universe?

PC: I get a "yes."

PC: I get a "yes."

LRH: Mm-hm. Have they had to be retailored to fit with the MEST universe in any way, or do they fit smoothly?

LRH: Mm-hm. Have they had to be retailored to fit with the MEST universe in any way, or do they fit smoothly?

PC: Smoothly.

PC: Smoothly.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Are you accomplishing them?

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Are you accomplishing them?

PC: A real weak "yes" on that.

PC: A real weak "yes" on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. Far away sort of a thing? Mm-hm. Well, can they just step into full beingness and pervade all of you, and go on and do everything they can do? Is there anything blocking them from doing this?

LRH: Mm-hm. Far away sort of a thing? Mm-hm. Well, can they just step into full beingness and pervade all of you, and go on and do everything they can do? Is there anything blocking them from doing this?

PC: Yeah, I think I have another being here that is saying, "No, you can't do this," and "No, you haven't done it," and so forth.

PC: Yeah, I think I have another being here that is saying, "No, you can't do this," and "No, you haven't done it," and so forth.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago did you acquire that being? That entity? How long ago did you acquire that entity?

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago did you acquire that being? That entity? How long ago did you acquire that entity?

PC: I get "four million."

PC: I get "four million."

LRH: About four million years ago? A very contradictory entity?

LRH: About four million years ago? A very contradictory entity?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very contradictory. About four million years ago? Mm-hm. (pause) Oh, added by somebody, huh? Who added it?

LRH: Very contradictory. About four million years ago? Mm-hm. (pause) Oh, added by somebody, huh? Who added it?

[to audience] Seeing this characteristic bop-bop-bop - short bops.

[to audience] Seeing this characteristic bop-bop-bop - short bops.

PC: Get "hypnosis.

PC: Get "hypnosis.

LRH: Added by hypnosis.

LRH: Added by hypnosis.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Pushed in on you by hypnosis. Were there any others added to you at the same time?

LRH: Pushed in on you by hypnosis. Were there any others added to you at the same time?

PC: Nope.

PC: Nope.

Nope. just one, huh? Well, what do you know? Four million years ago. Okay. Four million - one added entity. Is it stuck at the time it was added?

Nope. just one, huh? Well, what do you know? Four million years ago. Okay. Four million - one added entity. Is it stuck at the time it was added?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Stuck at the time it was added, huh? Why, did it - was told to stay there or something? Was it under orders to join you? Or were you put under orders to have it joined?

LRH: Stuck at the time it was added, huh? Why, did it - was told to stay there or something? Was it under orders to join you? Or were you put under orders to have it joined?

PC: I think it was ordered to join me.

PC: I think it was ordered to join me.

LRH: Ordered to join you. That's right. Okay. And it's been obeying those orders ever since. Did you consent to have it?

LRH: Ordered to join you. That's right. Okay. And it's been obeying those orders ever since. Did you consent to have it?

PC: Yep.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Yep. Why? Why did you consent to have it? You got it - what is it?

LRH: Yep. Why? Why did you consent to have it? You got it - what is it?

PC: For some reason or other I thought it would improve me.

PC: For some reason or other I thought it would improve me.

LRH: Did it?

LRH: Did it?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No. Well, can you jettison it?

LRH: No. Well, can you jettison it?

PC: It's not going to like it, but I can do it.

PC: It's not going to like it, but I can do it.

LRH: It's not going to like it, huh? Do you have to consult its convenience rather than your own?

LRH: It's not going to like it, huh? Do you have to consult its convenience rather than your own?

PC: Uh - I say "no," it says "yes."

PC: Uh - I say "no," it says "yes."

LRH: All right. How do you get rid of it? Can you audit it away, or do you just blow it? It wants to stay?

LRH: All right. How do you get rid of it? Can you audit it away, or do you just blow it? It wants to stay?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: It wants to stay.

LRH: It wants to stay.

PC: I think I've still got some acceptance of it, too.

PC: I think I've still got some acceptance of it, too.

LRH: You think so. What's your main acceptance?

LRH: You think so. What's your main acceptance?

PC: "I'll die if I get rid of it."

PC: "I'll die if I get rid of it."

LRH: Who said so? Somebody say so? Yeah, somebody said so. Who said so? The hypnotist?

LRH: Who said so? Somebody say so? Yeah, somebody said so. Who said so? The hypnotist?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that part of the sequence?

LRH: Is that part of the sequence?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: And then does it say so since?

LRH: And then does it say so since?

PC: Mm-hm. And I agreed to it then.

PC: Mm-hm. And I agreed to it then.

LRH: Mm-hm. You agreed to be hypnotized, too?

LRH: Mm-hm. You agreed to be hypnotized, too?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can you handle that?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can you handle that?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. And by the way, just for designation, what's the more or less geographical location of this entity we're just now talking about?

LRH: Okay. And by the way, just for designation, what's the more or less geographical location of this entity we're just now talking about?

(pause) Head?

(pause) Head?

PC: No, solar plexus.

PC: No, solar plexus.

PC: There's one in the solar plexus and there's one on each side a little below it.

PC: There's one in the solar plexus and there's one on each side a little below it.

LRH: Ah, three entities in the solar plexus. Okay - in the solar plexus area.

LRH: Ah, three entities in the solar plexus. Okay - in the solar plexus area.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Fine. Are two of these somatic?

LRH: Fine. Are two of these somatic?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what do you know, you got two somatic entities. By the way, somatic entities quite often split. Okay, and this other one is just an additive soul. Well ...

LRH: Well, what do you know, you got two somatic entities. By the way, somatic entities quite often split. Okay, and this other one is just an additive soul. Well ...

And by the way, is that soul quite sane?

And by the way, is that soul quite sane?

PC: Huh-uh. [No.]

PC: Huh-uh. [No.]

LRH: That's right. By the way, they get into that area and it's a terrible area, because the perceptions aren't close to it and they're under compulsion to have perceptions and they're under compulsion not to use their own perceptions and a lot of other odds and ends. So they get quite psycho in the area. And then their fear installation - Fac One and so forth - hits them right on the button, bam! just like that. Fac One hit you right on the button there with that solar plexus thing?

LRH: That's right. By the way, they get into that area and it's a terrible area, because the perceptions aren't close to it and they're under compulsion to have perceptions and they're under compulsion not to use their own perceptions and a lot of other odds and ends. So they get quite psycho in the area. And then their fear installation - Fac One and so forth - hits them right on the button, bam! just like that. Fac One hit you right on the button there with that solar plexus thing?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Isn't bothering you any! (audience laughter) Okay. Now, what do we find earlier than that? Is there another universe before the MEST universe?

LRH: Isn't bothering you any! (audience laughter) Okay. Now, what do we find earlier than that? Is there another universe before the MEST universe?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Are there two universes before the MEST universe? What did you think of?

LRH: Are there two universes before the MEST universe? What did you think of?

PC: Hm-I get confusion; my first reaction was "no," and then I got a "yes."

PC: Hm-I get confusion; my first reaction was "no," and then I got a "yes."

LRH: Well, tell me, one of these beings - a one of these entities - it wasn't back there with you. Is that right?

LRH: Well, tell me, one of these beings - a one of these entities - it wasn't back there with you. Is that right?

PC: Hm. Yeah.

PC: Hm. Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That straightened him out? Okay, let's ask the one - other one now. Are there two universes ahead of NEST universe, or one? This universe, [marking on blackboard] one universe, two, and here's the MEST universe. What would you call this second universe? Would you call that your home universe? Did you have anything to do with its creation?

LRH: That straightened him out? Okay, let's ask the one - other one now. Are there two universes ahead of NEST universe, or one? This universe, [marking on blackboard] one universe, two, and here's the MEST universe. What would you call this second universe? Would you call that your home universe? Did you have anything to do with its creation?

PC: Yeah. Yes.

PC: Yeah. Yes.

LRH: What's the matter, you got charge on that? Hm?

LRH: What's the matter, you got charge on that? Hm?

PC: Well, I was ...

PC: Well, I was ...

LRH: Charge on it, huh?

LRH: Charge on it, huh?

PC: Some idea about perhaps dimensions; I don't know what word I should use, but just dimensions ...

PC: Some idea about perhaps dimensions; I don't know what word I should use, but just dimensions ...

LRH: Okay, good.

LRH: Okay, good.

PC: ... concerning that universe.

PC: ... concerning that universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Has more dimensions than we're accustomed to.

PC: Has more dimensions than we're accustomed to.

LRH: Oh, I see. Four? Eight?

LRH: Oh, I see. Four? Eight?

PC: Three and infinity.

PC: Three and infinity.

LRH: Yeah, tiree and infinity. A three-and-infinity universe. Good.

LRH: Yeah, tiree and infinity. A three-and-infinity universe. Good.

That's characteristic of a thought universe. Okay. Did you help create that universe?

That's characteristic of a thought universe. Okay. Did you help create that universe?

PC: I get a "yes."

PC: I get a "yes."

LRH: What happened to it? Is it still there?

LRH: What happened to it? Is it still there?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: MEST universe - did you come into the MEST universe voluntarily?

LRH: MEST universe - did you come into the MEST universe voluntarily?

PC: I think so.

PC: I think so.

LRH: What did you think of next after that?

LRH: What did you think of next after that?

PC: My solar plexus.

PC: My solar plexus.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you voluntarily move from universe two into the MEST universe?

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you voluntarily move from universe two into the MEST universe?

PC: Uh ...

PC: Uh ...

LRH: The MEST universe ...

LRH: The MEST universe ...

PC: There's a reluctance of some kind.

PC: There's a reluctance of some kind.

LRH: Yeah, you've got a reluctance to talk about this, haven't you? You're protecting some information about it? You're protecting some information about it?

LRH: Yeah, you've got a reluctance to talk about this, haven't you? You're protecting some information about it? You're protecting some information about it?

PC: There's fear on it - some kind.

PC: There's fear on it - some kind.

LRH: Yeah. Do you dare tell? Do you dare know? Are you holding information from somebody on it?

LRH: Yeah. Do you dare tell? Do you dare know? Are you holding information from somebody on it?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

[End of HCL-18]

[End of HCL-18]

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[Beginning of the HCL-27 reel]

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LRH: Did you have to protect the information in that hypnosis? Mm-hm. What did you think of?

LRH: Did you have to protect the information in that hypnosis? Mm-hm. What did you think of?

PC: Yeah, I think I did.

PC: Yeah, I think I did.

LRH: And you've been holding back information sort of ever since, in a general line? What if somebody in the MEST universe learned about how you got into this home universe? Who are you protecting information from? (pause)

LRH: And you've been holding back information sort of ever since, in a general line? What if somebody in the MEST universe learned about how you got into this home universe? Who are you protecting information from? (pause)

PC: (sigh)

PC: (sigh)

LRH: Tell me, can you be rolled out of this universe of your own and enslaved by the MEST universe?

LRH: Tell me, can you be rolled out of this universe of your own and enslaved by the MEST universe?

PC: I get confusion.

PC: I get confusion.

LRH: If anybody knew the secret of the theta universe, could they then have an almost unlimited number of slaves?

LRH: If anybody knew the secret of the theta universe, could they then have an almost unlimited number of slaves?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: What did you think of?

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Yes, but they wouldn't want to.

PC: Yes, but they wouldn't want to.

LRH: They wouldn't want to. Who wouldn't want to? Some of these people in the MEST universe wouldn't want to? (pause) People in the theta universe?

LRH: They wouldn't want to. Who wouldn't want to? Some of these people in the MEST universe wouldn't want to? (pause) People in the theta universe?

PC: I don't think that people in the theta universe would want to.

PC: I don't think that people in the theta universe would want to.

LRH: And once having rolled out of it, you wouldn't want people to know how to get back into it, would you? (pause) No charge on that.

LRH: And once having rolled out of it, you wouldn't want people to know how to get back into it, would you? (pause) No charge on that.

PC: ... be it.

PC: ... be it.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Seems to be it.

PC: Seems to be it.

LRH: Mm-hm? You trying to keep the people in the MEST universe from getting into the theta universe? (pause) What've you got there?

LRH: Mm-hm? You trying to keep the people in the MEST universe from getting into the theta universe? (pause) What've you got there?

PC: I feel I'm trying to keep myself from getting into it.

PC: I feel I'm trying to keep myself from getting into it.

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from getting into it. Well, what's wrong with you? Something wrong with you now? Hm?

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from getting into it. Well, what's wrong with you? Something wrong with you now? Hm?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Would you do something bad to the theta universe if you got into it?

LRH: Would you do something bad to the theta universe if you got into it?

PC: Seems to be yes.

PC: Seems to be yes.

LRH: Would you take bad knowledge into it? Bad experience?

LRH: Would you take bad knowledge into it? Bad experience?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What do you have, a degraded feeling about it?

LRH: What do you have, a degraded feeling about it?

PC: Ooh! Yeah.

PC: Ooh! Yeah.

LRH: Shame won't let you go home? (pause) Ah.

LRH: Shame won't let you go home? (pause) Ah.

Did you roll out of the theta universe, sort of face into another dimension and get into the MEST universe by accident? What have you got there? Curiosity?

Did you roll out of the theta universe, sort of face into another dimension and get into the MEST universe by accident? What have you got there? Curiosity?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Curiosity.

LRH: Curiosity.

PC: Yeah, you can run it from a distance or manipulate it, or you can get into it and see what it feels like.

PC: Yeah, you can run it from a distance or manipulate it, or you can get into it and see what it feels like.

LRH: Mm-hm. But once you get into it, what's wrong with it?

LRH: Mm-hm. But once you get into it, what's wrong with it?

PC: Feeling you have to go all the way through it in order to get back out.

PC: Feeling you have to go all the way through it in order to get back out.

LRH: Go along a treadmill, so to speak. Is there another way out of it?

LRH: Go along a treadmill, so to speak. Is there another way out of it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What is it?

LRH: What is it?

PC: Well, I think of the Zen Buddhist story of how you get a goose out Of a bottle.

PC: Well, I think of the Zen Buddhist story of how you get a goose out Of a bottle.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you get a goose out of a bottle?

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you get a goose out of a bottle?

PC: Snap your fingers and say, "There, it's out."

PC: Snap your fingers and say, "There, it's out."

LRH: Okay. We're batting on a thousand there.

LRH: Okay. We're batting on a thousand there.

All right. Now, about your adventures in the MEST universe, what's the first thing that happened to you after you got into the MEST universe that was serious7

All right. Now, about your adventures in the MEST universe, what's the first thing that happened to you after you got into the MEST universe that was serious7

PC: Hypnosis and Fac One.

PC: Hypnosis and Fac One.

LRH: Some kind of hypnosis?

LRH: Some kind of hypnosis?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Some kind of a Fac One? Were you trapped in some way? (pause) Tell me this, did somebody install emotions in you?

LRH: Some kind of a Fac One? Were you trapped in some way? (pause) Tell me this, did somebody install emotions in you?

PC: I don't like that, whatever it is. (audience laughter)

PC: I don't like that, whatever it is. (audience laughter)

LRH: Does that come later than the incident I'm talking about?

LRH: Does that come later than the incident I'm talking about?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, about how many million years ago would you suppose that you got emotions installed in you? What did you think of?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, about how many million years ago would you suppose that you got emotions installed in you? What did you think of?

PC: Fourteen thousand.

PC: Fourteen thousand.

LRH: Emotions installed in you fourteen thousand years ago?

LRH: Emotions installed in you fourteen thousand years ago?

PC: Seems what I got.

PC: Seems what I got.

LRH: Okay. Was it fourteen thousand? Or fourteen thousand years after you entered the MEST universe? Which?

LRH: Okay. Was it fourteen thousand? Or fourteen thousand years after you entered the MEST universe? Which?

PC: That seems better.

PC: That seems better.

LRH: Mm-hm. It was in the MEST universe?

LRH: Mm-hm. It was in the MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get another go at its time. I know it's hard to estimate time, but it - would it be halfway between here and the entrance into the MEST universe? Midpoint on the track between here and the past? What did you think of? You thought of it somewhere there.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get another go at its time. I know it's hard to estimate time, but it - would it be halfway between here and the entrance into the MEST universe? Midpoint on the track between here and the past? What did you think of? You thought of it somewhere there.

PC: I thought that seemed to be about right.

PC: I thought that seemed to be about right.

LRH: Middle point.

LRH: Middle point.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah, that's more or less. Now, is it earlier than the middle point or later than the middle point? Earlier, little earlier? Little later? Who cares. What's a few billion years. Okay. Would you say that was about five billion years ago?

LRH: Yeah, that's more or less. Now, is it earlier than the middle point or later than the middle point? Earlier, little earlier? Little later? Who cares. What's a few billion years. Okay. Would you say that was about five billion years ago?

PC: Hm ...

PC: Hm ...

LRH: Six?

LRH: Six?

PC: Seems better.

PC: Seems better.

LRH: Between five and six?

LRH: Between five and six?

PC: Okay. (sigh)

PC: Okay. (sigh)

LRH: Five and six billion. just at a guess, these figures, you understand, are relatively - your order of magnitude is all you want so that you get your proper sequences of time. And this is installed emotions, huh? What emotions were installed?

LRH: Five and six billion. just at a guess, these figures, you understand, are relatively - your order of magnitude is all you want so that you get your proper sequences of time. And this is installed emotions, huh? What emotions were installed?

PC: (laugh)

PC: (laugh)

LRH: NOW, that's a honey. just don't concentrate on it for a minute, Maurie, and let me try and tell the folks what this one is - this is trick. In various ways, one of its guises could be "Well, you win a prize. A person who knows wins a prize."

LRH: NOW, that's a honey. just don't concentrate on it for a minute, Maurie, and let me try and tell the folks what this one is - this is trick. In various ways, one of its guises could be "Well, you win a prize. A person who knows wins a prize."

And don't let me color the one you were going to run, because this thing is quite variable.

And don't let me color the one you were going to run, because this thing is quite variable.

[to audience] Well, the MEST people, more or less, they want to put out this big prize. And so they give you a prize for knowing. Well, up to that point, you really know - you know pretty well. And then one of its versions is to throw a dome over the person, over the theta person-bam! - hold him completely motionless with fields so that he has an utter timelessness, so that he's suddenly and momentarily a zero, and then just throw him down a chute which passes him across fields - magnetic fields - one right after the other, which install wavelengths which are very close to one-over-infinity, with - which approximate our Tone Scale from 2.0 down.

[to audience] Well, the MEST people, more or less, they want to put out this big prize. And so they give you a prize for knowing. Well, up to that point, you really know - you know pretty well. And then one of its versions is to throw a dome over the person, over the theta person-bam! - hold him completely motionless with fields so that he has an utter timelessness, so that he's suddenly and momentarily a zero, and then just throw him down a chute which passes him across fields - magnetic fields - one right after the other, which install wavelengths which are very close to one-over-infinity, with - which approximate our Tone Scale from 2.0 down.

[to pc] What's the matter?

[to pc] What's the matter?

PC: Apparently the story of my life - I don't know.

PC: Apparently the story of my life - I don't know.

LRH: Is this approximately the incident we're trying to run here, something like it?

LRH: Is this approximately the incident we're trying to run here, something like it?

PC: Seems to be.

PC: Seems to be.

LRH: Well, there's something that is missing on it someplace; your incident varied in some way. Tell me, is fear in a tub at the bottom?

LRH: Well, there's something that is missing on it someplace; your incident varied in some way. Tell me, is fear in a tub at the bottom?

PC: I get a yes on that.

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, there is some vague similarity with what I was saying. There is an installed sequence of emotions, then, isn't there?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, there is some vague similarity with what I was saying. There is an installed sequence of emotions, then, isn't there?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What are you thinking about?

LRH: What are you thinking about?

PC: I don't like it.

PC: I don't like it.

LRH: Who installed it? A lower order of people, or something? (pause)

LRH: Who installed it? A lower order of people, or something? (pause)

PC: I get the impression they were big.

PC: I get the impression they were big.

LRH: Big people, huh?

LRH: Big people, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Is that where you got emotions from 2.0 down? (pause) Tell me, by the way, just out of curiosity - was all the pleasure you had formerly taken in aesthetics suddenly channeled into the second dynamic?

LRH: Okay. Is that where you got emotions from 2.0 down? (pause) Tell me, by the way, just out of curiosity - was all the pleasure you had formerly taken in aesthetics suddenly channeled into the second dynamic?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Also said that wasn't any good.

PC: Also said that wasn't any good.

LRH: Also said that wasn't any good; yeah, that's right. That's right.

LRH: Also said that wasn't any good; yeah, that's right. That's right.

[to audience] All right. This incident has a slang term which - we call it the "installer" and it's a great little gimmick. Actually, any of these emotions have a very precise wavelength, which is why one suspected immediately that there's something rotten in Denmark. I mean, why would everybody do this and do that exactly at the same wavelengths? Silly.

[to audience] All right. This incident has a slang term which - we call it the "installer" and it's a great little gimmick. Actually, any of these emotions have a very precise wavelength, which is why one suspected immediately that there's something rotten in Denmark. I mean, why would everybody do this and do that exactly at the same wavelengths? Silly.

[to pc] Well, now, let's take your earlier life. Okay? How about your earlier life. Was there anything unhappy occurred in your earlier life in the MEST universe? (pause) Do you pick up anything very unhappy there? (pause) Are you still haunted by this emotional installer?

[to pc] Well, now, let's take your earlier life. Okay? How about your earlier life. Was there anything unhappy occurred in your earlier life in the MEST universe? (pause) Do you pick up anything very unhappy there? (pause) Are you still haunted by this emotional installer?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No? Okay. (pause) What did you think of?

LRH: No? Okay. (pause) What did you think of?

PC: Some kind of confusions which was unpleasant.

PC: Some kind of confusions which was unpleasant.

LRH: Some confusions, unpleasant?

LRH: Some confusions, unpleasant?

PC: Confusion.

PC: Confusion.

LRH: Yeah? Would it be the confusion of everything hitting you at once?

LRH: Yeah? Would it be the confusion of everything hitting you at once?

What did you think of?

What did you think of?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What was it? Yeow! There's a sticker in it. Holder in it, huh? Is it the holder of rays or waves or something?

LRH: What was it? Yeow! There's a sticker in it. Holder in it, huh? Is it the holder of rays or waves or something?

PC: (pause) Waves, I guess, would be ...

PC: (pause) Waves, I guess, would be ...

LRH: Were they leveled at you intentionally to accomplish something or... What have we got here, the Emanator?

LRH: Were they leveled at you intentionally to accomplish something or... What have we got here, the Emanator?

PC: Hm.....

PC: Hm.....

LRH: No? It's an emanator of some sort.

LRH: No? It's an emanator of some sort.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the incident, the installer?

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the incident, the installer?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is there a bad holder in it someplace?

LRH: Is there a bad holder in it someplace?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: There it is. What is it?

LRH: There it is. What is it?

PC: I'm getting a visio of a black triangle.

PC: I'm getting a visio of a black triangle.

LRH: Oh. Somebody command you into a black triangle?

LRH: Oh. Somebody command you into a black triangle?

PC: It obscures a - either a circle or disk behind it.

PC: It obscures a - either a circle or disk behind it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the installer? Later.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the installer? Later.

PC: Seems - I don't know; I feel that it's earlier.

PC: Seems - I don't know; I feel that it's earlier.

LRH: It's earlier.

LRH: It's earlier.

PC: Around ...

PC: Around ...

LRH: Billion years earlier? Billion years earlier? What's this, the black triangle? What's the incident?

LRH: Billion years earlier? Billion years earlier? What's this, the black triangle? What's the incident?

PC: Oh. Yeah, it's - the symbol is the same as the four-dimensional symbol that I had before.

PC: Oh. Yeah, it's - the symbol is the same as the four-dimensional symbol that I had before.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Only this is a - cramming it in three dimensions ...

PC: Only this is a - cramming it in three dimensions ...

LRH: Oh.

LRH: Oh.

PC: ... obscuring the fourth.

PC: ... obscuring the fourth.

LRH: Mm-hm. Say, by the way, are we getting the shift of you from the theta universe into the MEST universe? Is this it? Is this the shift?

LRH: Mm-hm. Say, by the way, are we getting the shift of you from the theta universe into the MEST universe? Is this it? Is this the shift?

PC: Seems to be ...

PC: Seems to be ...

LRH: One of the shifts? By the way, did you ever get out of the MEST universe and then back into the theta universe, and then out of the theta universe back into the MEST universe? Ho, ho, ho!

LRH: One of the shifts? By the way, did you ever get out of the MEST universe and then back into the theta universe, and then out of the theta universe back into the MEST universe? Ho, ho, ho!

PC: Yeah. I'm shaking all over.

PC: Yeah. I'm shaking all over.

LRH: Ho, ho, ho! Well, that's the first one of those I've picked up. What happened when you went into the theta universe?

LRH: Ho, ho, ho! Well, that's the first one of those I've picked up. What happened when you went into the theta universe?

PC: I don't know, but I have a feeling it wasn't very pleasant.

PC: I don't know, but I have a feeling it wasn't very pleasant.

LRH: Wasn't pleasant in the theta universe. Hooray! What was the matter with it? (pause) (Nice drop in it.)

LRH: Wasn't pleasant in the theta universe. Hooray! What was the matter with it? (pause) (Nice drop in it.)

PC: It's upside down.

PC: It's upside down.

LRH: Is it all upside down?

LRH: Is it all upside down?

PC: How do you mean?

PC: How do you mean?

LRH: Had the MEST universe turned it upside down? Had something happened to the theta universe? (pause) What are you thinking of there?

LRH: Had the MEST universe turned it upside down? Had something happened to the theta universe? (pause) What are you thinking of there?

PC: Yeah, but I don't know quite what. Two things were somehow joined together.

PC: Yeah, but I don't know quite what. Two things were somehow joined together.

LRH: Two things joined together.

LRH: Two things joined together.

PC: Intermingled.

PC: Intermingled.

LRH: Mm-hm. The theta and MEST universe was kind of intermingled.

LRH: Mm-hm. The theta and MEST universe was kind of intermingled.

Well, by the way, by running this incident, would this all straighten out?

Well, by the way, by running this incident, would this all straighten out?

PC: I'm running it now.

PC: I'm running it now.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, you're running it now.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, you're running it now.

PC: I'm doing something. I'm shaking all over and getting weird flutterings; I've never had anything quite like this before.

PC: I'm doing something. I'm shaking all over and getting weird flutterings; I've never had anything quite like this before.

LRH: Is this your central being running this?

LRH: Is this your central being running this?

PC: Yeah. I have two of them running.

PC: Yeah. I have two of them running.

LRH: Both of them running.

LRH: Both of them running.

PC: Both a central and ...

PC: Both a central and ...

LRH: And an entity.

LRH: And an entity.

PC: ... seems to be located in the back of my head. Seem to be ...

PC: ... seems to be located in the back of my head. Seem to be ...

& LRH: Well, is that the original duo? We're running it? Is this another entity running itself? I'm sorry I don't mean to invalidate your running it. The machine does that once in a while, you have to be careful of this.

& LRH: Well, is that the original duo? We're running it? Is this another entity running itself? I'm sorry I don't mean to invalidate your running it. The machine does that once in a while, you have to be careful of this.

LRH: How about the two beings' regard for this incident?

LRH: How about the two beings' regard for this incident?

PC: They don't seem to be quite as concerned about it as the rest of me does, for some reason.

PC: They don't seem to be quite as concerned about it as the rest of me does, for some reason.

LRH: Oh. Well, tell me, did this add more to you? This incident add more to you in some way or something? No? All right. Which being is it that's concentrated on it? Which being?

LRH: Oh. Well, tell me, did this add more to you? This incident add more to you in some way or something? No? All right. Which being is it that's concentrated on it? Which being?

PC: Just the one in the back of my head, which I believe would be the second one.

PC: Just the one in the back of my head, which I believe would be the second one.

LRH: The second one. Is there an entity in the back of your head as well as the second being? Is there an entity that influences the back of your head?

LRH: The second one. Is there an entity in the back of your head as well as the second being? Is there an entity that influences the back of your head?

PC: I would say yes.

PC: I would say yes.

LRH: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We're getting a halt on this. Yes, sir. What have we got now? Hey, you got a new entity that doesn't belong there. Great stuff. Was he there all the time? Was he there when this happened?

LRH: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We're getting a halt on this. Yes, sir. What have we got now? Hey, you got a new entity that doesn't belong there. Great stuff. Was he there all the time? Was he there when this happened?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: He wasn't there when this happened. Well, why is he concerned about it?

LRH: He wasn't there when this happened. Well, why is he concerned about it?

[to audience] Just about to flip and throw one of these entities.

[to audience] Just about to flip and throw one of these entities.

[to pcl Now, why is he so concerned about it? Because he can concern you with it?

[to pcl Now, why is he so concerned about it? Because he can concern you with it?

PC: Mm-hm. Uses this for control.

PC: Mm-hm. Uses this for control.

LRH: Well, uses it for control.

LRH: Well, uses it for control.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What happens to your shakes?

LRH: What happens to your shakes?

PC: They diminish.

PC: They diminish.

LRH: Locate him a little more thoroughly and differentiate between him and the back being. Has he been pretending to be the back being?

LRH: Locate him a little more thoroughly and differentiate between him and the back being. Has he been pretending to be the back being?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh, isn't he a cute little trick. How are the shakes now?

LRH: Oh, isn't he a cute little trick. How are the shakes now?

PC: Gone.

PC: Gone.

LRH: They gone?

LRH: They gone?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Feel more relaxed? Now let's differentiate a little bit better between the real back being and this entity. (pause)

LRH: Feel more relaxed? Now let's differentiate a little bit better between the real back being and this entity. (pause)

Did you ever agree to have this entity?

Did you ever agree to have this entity?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did, huh? Did it just move in on you by compulsion?

LRH: You did, huh? Did it just move in on you by compulsion?

PC: Yeah, it was compulsion, but I agreed to it.

PC: Yeah, it was compulsion, but I agreed to it.

LRH: You a agreed under duress?

LRH: You a agreed under duress?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm, but not very much. Well, what did you think of? This upset it?

LRH: Mm-hm, but not very much. Well, what did you think of? This upset it?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Upsets it some way, huh? Is it stuck on the track anyplace?

LRH: Mm-hm. Upsets it some way, huh? Is it stuck on the track anyplace?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah? Is it stuck on the track in something when it was being you?

LRH: Yeah? Is it stuck on the track in something when it was being you?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it also stuck on the track in something before it joined you? (pause) Boy, it really decided to curl up. What's the state of that being? Did it blow?

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it also stuck on the track in something before it joined you? (pause) Boy, it really decided to curl up. What's the state of that being? Did it blow?

PC: I get a yes.

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: It blew. Well, the back being very glad it's gone? Who's glad it's gone? Which one?

LRH: It blew. Well, the back being very glad it's gone? Who's glad it's gone? Which one?

PC: Center and the back both, solar plexus doesn't like this.

PC: Center and the back both, solar plexus doesn't like this.

LRH: Doesn't like to have it gone.

LRH: Doesn't like to have it gone.

PC: That's right.

PC: That's right.

LRH: Because that means it goes now.

LRH: Because that means it goes now.

PC: Yeah, it feels very small suddenly.

PC: Yeah, it feels very small suddenly.

LRH: Yeah. Why? Was it the one that was holding the solar plexus together? Was the solar plexus being-entity operating only because of this back-of-the-head being? Did they have a pact between them?

LRH: Yeah. Why? Was it the one that was holding the solar plexus together? Was the solar plexus being-entity operating only because of this back-of-the-head being? Did they have a pact between them?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were they in communication?

LRH: Were they in communication?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: By golly, that solar plexus being doesn't want to answer, does it? Is it gone? (pause) Is it gone?

LRH: By golly, that solar plexus being doesn't want to answer, does it? Is it gone? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: I don't know.

PC: I don't know.

LRH: How does it feel? How's your solar plexus?

LRH: How does it feel? How's your solar plexus?

PC: Feels pretty relaxed.

PC: Feels pretty relaxed.

LRH: Feels pretty relaxed. You afraid it won't stay that way? Is it gone or just playing dead? (pause) Is it gone?

LRH: Feels pretty relaxed. You afraid it won't stay that way? Is it gone or just playing dead? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: (pause) Can't find it.

PC: (pause) Can't find it.

LRH: Can't find it. How's your stomach feel?

LRH: Can't find it. How's your stomach feel?

PC: Fine.

PC: Fine.

LRH: Back of your head feel?

LRH: Back of your head feel?

PC: It's tingling, burning and all kinds of things.

PC: It's tingling, burning and all kinds of things.

LRH: Back of your head tingling and burning?

LRH: Back of your head tingling and burning?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why? Is this - this entity just move out to the outside, did it?

LRH: Why? Is this - this entity just move out to the outside, did it?

PC: Sure.

PC: Sure.

LRH: Is it still trying to hang on or are you - is your rear ...

LRH: Is it still trying to hang on or are you - is your rear ...

PC: I'm holding it.

PC: I'm holding it.

LRH: ... theta being holding it?

LRH: ... theta being holding it?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, why is it holding it? (pause) Attached to it? What do you get on it?

LRH: Well, why is it holding it? (pause) Attached to it? What do you get on it?

PC: He uses it for control.

PC: He uses it for control.

LRH: Uses it for control. Can't he ...

LRH: Uses it for control. Can't he ...

PC: Can be used in turn ...

PC: Can be used in turn ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can't he control directly? Tell me, is there a second back-of-the-head being?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can't he control directly? Tell me, is there a second back-of-the-head being?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A second back-of-the-head entity as distinguished from a being? Is there another one in there - the two operating together?

LRH: A second back-of-the-head entity as distinguished from a being? Is there another one in there - the two operating together?

Don't seem to see so, huh? What did you ...

Don't seem to see so, huh? What did you ...

PC: Oh, it's on the right side of the back.

PC: Oh, it's on the right side of the back.

LRH: Oh, right side of the back of the head. When did you agree to have that one? Did you?

LRH: Oh, right side of the back of the head. When did you agree to have that one? Did you?

PC: I don't feel any agreement about this one.

PC: I don't feel any agreement about this one.

LRH: Well, did it come in at a moment of unconsciousness or something?

LRH: Well, did it come in at a moment of unconsciousness or something?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hypnotism? Unconsciousness? What are we running here, a joiner of some sort? An incident where they were all joined together? A little bit.

LRH: Hypnotism? Unconsciousness? What are we running here, a joiner of some sort? An incident where they were all joined together? A little bit.

PC: Hm.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Not particularly. Well, this thing hasn't got any business there at all, has it? What did you think of?

LRH: Not particularly. Well, this thing hasn't got any business there at all, has it? What did you think of?

PC: I was trying to think of how I picked it up.

PC: I was trying to think of how I picked it up.

LRH: You've just thought of it. What is it?

LRH: You've just thought of it. What is it?

PC: I wasn't listening to you. (audience laughter)

PC: I wasn't listening to you. (audience laughter)

LRH: Okay. You know how you picked it up. How long ago did you pick it up? (pause) (These aren't entities, by the way, these are idle beings.)

LRH: Okay. You know how you picked it up. How long ago did you pick it up? (pause) (These aren't entities, by the way, these are idle beings.)

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. What did you think of that time? You got it. What is it?

LRH: Yeah. What did you think of that time? You got it. What is it?

PC: Well, I just - I saw it, I guess.

PC: Well, I just - I saw it, I guess.

LRH: And what happened? It blew?

LRH: And what happened? It blew?

PC: No, that's how I picked it up and ...

PC: No, that's how I picked it up and ...

LRH: Oh, you just saw it.

LRH: Oh, you just saw it.

PC: ... sympathy or something; I haven't quite got it.

PC: ... sympathy or something; I haven't quite got it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're getting it, though. (pause) Well, let's get it a little more solidly there and you can get it. You can recall it. What was the emotion? Which entity picked it up? Was it the theta beings that picked it up?

LRH: Mm-hm. You're getting it, though. (pause) Well, let's get it a little more solidly there and you can get it. You can recall it. What was the emotion? Which entity picked it up? Was it the theta beings that picked it up?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: No. Was it another stomach entity that picked him up?

LRH: No. Was it another stomach entity that picked him up?

PC: Mm.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Aided and assisted by a couple of the side entities? Which one did you think of?

LRH: Aided and assisted by a couple of the side entities? Which one did you think of?

PC: It's higher in the solar plexus.

PC: It's higher in the solar plexus.

LRH: Oh, you got another one in the stomach, there?

LRH: Oh, you got another one in the stomach, there?

PC: Above.

PC: Above.

LRH: It picked him up. Okay. You got it. All right. Is it the one that's been holding on to it?

LRH: It picked him up. Okay. You got it. All right. Is it the one that's been holding on to it?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. How about blowing that one that's a little higher in the solar plexus now?

LRH: All right. How about blowing that one that's a little higher in the solar plexus now?

(These blow awful easy. These idle ones.)

(These blow awful easy. These idle ones.)

PC: This one doesn't amount to much.

PC: This one doesn't amount to much.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Hm?

PC: I don't think this one amounts to much.

PC: I don't think this one amounts to much.

LRH: Didn't amount to much. Is it blowing?

LRH: Didn't amount to much. Is it blowing?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: So it is. Is it gone?

LRH: So it is. Is it gone?

PC: Hm. (pause) Yeah.

PC: Hm. (pause) Yeah.

LRH: Registering here that it is. Okay. just wanted you to decide.

LRH: Registering here that it is. Okay. just wanted you to decide.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. NOW, how about this black triangle incident now? (pause) Well, what do you know?

LRH: Okay. NOW, how about this black triangle incident now? (pause) Well, what do you know?

PC: Didn't go through it. [or might be "We just blew it." - Ed.]

PC: Didn't go through it. [or might be "We just blew it." - Ed.]

LRH: Okay.

LRH: Okay.

Oh, I happen to know a couple of incidents here. Let me ask you if you've been through these. You ever build roads?

Oh, I happen to know a couple of incidents here. Let me ask you if you've been through these. You ever build roads?

PC: Hm. Didn't like it.

PC: Hm. Didn't like it.

LRH: Nope. How soon after you entered the physical universe, the MEST universe, did you start building roads?

LRH: Nope. How soon after you entered the physical universe, the MEST universe, did you start building roads?

PC: Pardon me, I'm stuck in this.

PC: Pardon me, I'm stuck in this.

LRH: How soon afterwards did you start building roads?

LRH: How soon afterwards did you start building roads?

PC: I have a feeling it's ... That's what you were started out with.

PC: I have a feeling it's ... That's what you were started out with.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did something pull you into this universe so you'd build roads?

LRH: Mm-hm. Did something pull you into this universe so you'd build roads?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You got it. What is it? What have you got?

LRH: You got it. What is it? What have you got?

PC: Horns. Horns? I don't know. Vibrations?

PC: Horns. Horns? I don't know. Vibrations?

LRH: Vibrations? Horns? Beating with clubs? Beating of clubs? Drive you out of it? Drive you into it? Noise?

LRH: Vibrations? Horns? Beating with clubs? Beating of clubs? Drive you out of it? Drive you into it? Noise?

PC: Yeah. That seems to be the idea.

PC: Yeah. That seems to be the idea.

LRH: Noise. Confusion and noise.

LRH: Noise. Confusion and noise.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah.

LRH: What do they use, confusion and noise to harass a theta being into being - doing something?

LRH: What do they use, confusion and noise to harass a theta being into being - doing something?

PC: There's a lot of confusion on it.

PC: There's a lot of confusion on it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Lot of confusion.

LRH: Mm-hm. Lot of confusion.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And then did you start building roads?

LRH: And then did you start building roads?

PC: Mm ... (pause)

PC: Mm ... (pause)

LRH: Did you get a drop on that? Building roads?

LRH: Did you get a drop on that? Building roads?

PC: Yeah. I think so, anyway.

PC: Yeah. I think so, anyway.

LRH: You see that still needle?

LRH: You see that still needle?

Did you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime in body after body after body on these roads, or anything like that?

Did you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime in body after body after body on these roads, or anything like that?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Or was it roads? Was it the city itself ? Was it masonry, bridges? What? You've got it. What was it?

LRH: Or was it roads? Was it the city itself ? Was it masonry, bridges? What? You've got it. What was it?

PC: Well, that sounded better than roads, and then electronics came to mind.

PC: Well, that sounded better than roads, and then electronics came to mind.

LRH: Oh, they got you in there building electronics, or were they building electronics? Were you building electronic things?

LRH: Oh, they got you in there building electronics, or were they building electronics? Were you building electronic things?

PC: I get a yes.

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: You were. They put you to work in electronics. Were you designing? Manufacturing? You were manufacturing electronics. Okay. Were there rays?

LRH: You were. They put you to work in electronics. Were you designing? Manufacturing? You were manufacturing electronics. Okay. Were there rays?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did they affect you?

LRH: Did they affect you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Badly?

LRH: Badly?

PC: Hm, they had all kinds.

PC: Hm, they had all kinds.

LRH: Mm-hm. How many lives did you spend doing this? One? More than one? I mean body lives now ...

LRH: Mm-hm. How many lives did you spend doing this? One? More than one? I mean body lives now ...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... MEST body lives.

LRH: ... MEST body lives.

PC: Hm, forty, fifty, something like that.

PC: Hm, forty, fifty, something like that.

LRH: Forty or fifty MEST body lives? Forty or fifty thousand MEST body lives? That's closer to it.

LRH: Forty or fifty MEST body lives? Forty or fifty thousand MEST body lives? That's closer to it.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hundred thousand MEST body lives? What did you think of?

LRH: Hundred thousand MEST body lives? What did you think of?

PC: I thought it was a long time.

PC: I thought it was a long time.

LRH: Long time. Oh, you're getting a feeling of monotony on this, or something.

LRH: Long time. Oh, you're getting a feeling of monotony on this, or something.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Getting the feeling like this was a long time? By the way, was there any way they kept you coming into bodies or anything, to do this?

LRH: Getting the feeling like this was a long time? By the way, was there any way they kept you coming into bodies or anything, to do this?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you got it. How'd they do it?

LRH: Well, you got it. How'd they do it?

PC: Kind of a keyed ...

PC: Kind of a keyed ...

LRH: You've got it.

LRH: You've got it.

PC: ... I've got it, but I don't know how to describe it. Keyed oscillator or frequency and ...

PC: ... I've got it, but I don't know how to describe it. Keyed oscillator or frequency and ...

LRH: Some kind of a crystal.

LRH: Some kind of a crystal.

PC: ... crystals - some kind of an arrangement that was keyed to me and I'd keep coming back.

PC: ... crystals - some kind of an arrangement that was keyed to me and I'd keep coming back.

LRH: Then you'd keep coming back.

LRH: Then you'd keep coming back.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they key it on?

LRH: What did they key it on?

PC: Me.

PC: Me.

LRH: On your theta body? On a part of your theta body? On your MEST body?

LRH: On your theta body? On a part of your theta body? On your MEST body?

PC: Yeah. MEST Body.

PC: Yeah. MEST Body.

LRH: On a part of your MEST body?

LRH: On a part of your MEST body?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they do, hold a piece of your MEST body? Every time you're dead, they had a piece of your MEST body, something like that?

LRH: What did they do, hold a piece of your MEST body? Every time you're dead, they had a piece of your MEST body, something like that?

PC: It was done various ways. If you had a MEST body, you kept it in nutrient baths and crystal patterns. Quite sure they were used.

PC: It was done various ways. If you had a MEST body, you kept it in nutrient baths and crystal patterns. Quite sure they were used.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay.

PC: Crystals in which a pattern or frequency or whatever they did with it ...

PC: Crystals in which a pattern or frequency or whatever they did with it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... was set up, which contained the identical pattern or field or frequency, whatever it was, of ...

PC: ... was set up, which contained the identical pattern or field or frequency, whatever it was, of ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... the body. And you could repeat.

PC: ... the body. And you could repeat.

LRH: Did you ever have to be trained more than once in your job?

LRH: Did you ever have to be trained more than once in your job?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were you trained each life in your job?

LRH: Were you trained each life in your job?

PC: Mmm, seems doubtful.

PC: Mmm, seems doubtful.

LRH: just maybe trained a few times. Few times? Dozen times? Several dozen times? Did you have four or five jobs in all this time?

LRH: just maybe trained a few times. Few times? Dozen times? Several dozen times? Did you have four or five jobs in all this time?

PC: Mm-hm. About that. I get twelve.

PC: Mm-hm. About that. I get twelve.

LRH: About twelve jobs? Well, after you learned how to do a job and you came back into a MEST body again, would you know how to do it again?

LRH: About twelve jobs? Well, after you learned how to do a job and you came back into a MEST body again, would you know how to do it again?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Would you keep on doing it?

LRH: Would you keep on doing it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh. Would you die then and go into another MEST body and then be back on the same job again?

LRH: Oh. Would you die then and go into another MEST body and then be back on the same job again?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do you like this? Interesting work?

LRH: Do you like this? Interesting work?

PC: I didn't like it, but they said I did.

PC: I didn't like it, but they said I did.

LRH: Oh, ha-ha ha-ha. Said you were enthusiastic about it.

LRH: Oh, ha-ha ha-ha. Said you were enthusiastic about it.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this what you would call the first sequences of what we know as hypnosis or duress by rays or something of this sort?

LRH: Is this what you would call the first sequences of what we know as hypnosis or duress by rays or something of this sort?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm? What would that be? Would that be it?

LRH: Hm? What would that be? Would that be it?

PC: (pause) Yeah.

PC: (pause) Yeah.

LRH: What did you think of?

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Wondering how long they'd been there before that.

PC: Wondering how long they'd been there before that.

LRH: Oh. (laugh) What eventually happened to this place?

LRH: Oh. (laugh) What eventually happened to this place?

PC: Hmm. Deserted - impression I get.

PC: Hmm. Deserted - impression I get.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the name of this place? You got it. What is it?

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the name of this place? You got it. What is it?

PC: Something beginning with an A.

PC: Something beginning with an A.

LRH: Arsclycus. Okay. Isn't that right?

LRH: Arsclycus. Okay. Isn't that right?

PC: I don't know. (pause)

PC: I don't know. (pause)

LRH: All right. Is this the first cycle, then, of being held to a cycle of lives?

LRH: All right. Is this the first cycle, then, of being held to a cycle of lives?

PC: I get a yes.

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Held to a cycle of lives. Are there others?

LRH: Mm-hm. Held to a cycle of lives. Are there others?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many others? You got it. How many?

LRH: How many others? You got it. How many?

PC: Ten.

PC: Ten.

LRH: About ten cycles like this, huh? I mean ten of these things where you repeat lives - bing, bing, bing, bing. Under other circumstances than in Arsclycus?

LRH: About ten cycles like this, huh? I mean ten of these things where you repeat lives - bing, bing, bing, bing. Under other circumstances than in Arsclycus?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the last one?

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the last one?

PC: Right now.

PC: Right now.

LRH: Right now. Okay. Where are the monitors now? (pause) You hit it.

LRH: Right now. Okay. Where are the monitors now? (pause) You hit it.

What is it?

What is it?

PC: I'm hitting it, but I don't know what it means yet.

PC: I'm hitting it, but I don't know what it means yet.

LRH: Are they MEST universe?

LRH: Are they MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Are they still there?

LRH: Are they still there?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Just take a rapid summary: How many of your bodies have they got? How many bodies they got to match you? One? Six? What did you get?

LRH: Just take a rapid summary: How many of your bodies have they got? How many bodies they got to match you? One? Six? What did you get?

PC: Mmm ...

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: You got the figure. What was the figure you got?

LRH: You got the figure. What was the figure you got?

PC: Seven.

PC: Seven.

LRH: About seven.

LRH: About seven.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: -Okay. Was that the one you thought of a moment ago?

LRH: -Okay. Was that the one you thought of a moment ago?

PC: I didn't get one a moment ago. It went on past me.

PC: I didn't get one a moment ago. It went on past me.

LRH: Hey, now wait a minute. Is there an entity blocking out this stuff?

LRH: Hey, now wait a minute. Is there an entity blocking out this stuff?

PC: Yeah!

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Which one is this one?

LRH: Which one is this one?

PC: Has to do with my eyes.

PC: Has to do with my eyes.

LRH: Yeah. Is there an entity hanging around your eyes?

LRH: Yeah. Is there an entity hanging around your eyes?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that native to you?

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that native to you?

PC: I get a yes on that.

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Oh, is it talking?

LRH: Oh, is it talking?

PC: That stopped it.

PC: That stopped it.

LRH: Who's holding that one?

LRH: Who's holding that one?

PC: (pause) I don't know.

PC: (pause) I don't know.

LRH: Mm-hm. You know. Would you call that ...

LRH: Mm-hm. You know. Would you call that ...

PC: Center seems to be holding it, if anything is.

PC: Center seems to be holding it, if anything is.

LRH: Center's holding it. Yeah, evidently. Why? Is the center guilty of an overt act against it? The center thinks it needs it?

LRH: Center's holding it. Yeah, evidently. Why? Is the center guilty of an overt act against it? The center thinks it needs it?

PC: Mm-hm. Can't see without it.

PC: Mm-hm. Can't see without it.

LRH: Oh? Can't see without it. Who says so?

LRH: Oh? Can't see without it. Who says so?

PC: Mm-hm. This is what I was thinking about.

PC: Mm-hm. This is what I was thinking about.

LRH: Yeah. Is that an occlusion entity?

LRH: Yeah. Is that an occlusion entity?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now we know where the occlusion entity is. (pause)

LRH: Now we know where the occlusion entity is. (pause)

Okay. There are ten of these periods, then.

Okay. There are ten of these periods, then.

Now, let's get on another subject there for a moment. Are there specific times when several theta beings or bodies have been pulled together and joined to you?

Now, let's get on another subject there for a moment. Are there specific times when several theta beings or bodies have been pulled together and joined to you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many of these have happened?

LRH: How many of these have happened?

PC: I get three or four.

PC: I get three or four.

LRH: Three or four.

LRH: Three or four.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You get three and four; in other words, some of them have three and some of them have four. Well, that would be natural, you see, because the two center ones weren't.

LRH: You get three and four; in other words, some of them have three and some of them have four. Well, that would be natural, you see, because the two center ones weren't.

Okay. There are three of these periods where you were joined up, then, after. So there's three and four. Okay. We won't bother to trace these right now. Three and four joiners. Now, that's fine.

Okay. There are three of these periods where you were joined up, then, after. So there's three and four. Okay. We won't bother to trace these right now. Three and four joiners. Now, that's fine.

That's fine.

That's fine.

You've got that eye one clicked in. Key him out now.

You've got that eye one clicked in. Key him out now.

PC: Yes. I'm still working on it.

PC: Yes. I'm still working on it.

LRH: Is he blowing?

LRH: Is he blowing?

PC: Yeah. He's blowing.

PC: Yeah. He's blowing.

LRH: Thank you. Show people your eyes.

LRH: Thank you. Show people your eyes.

PC: What's the matter with them?

PC: What's the matter with them?

LRH: Sit up and show people your eyes.

LRH: Sit up and show people your eyes.

PC: Have I still got them?

PC: Have I still got them?

Female voice: They're still there.

Female voice: They're still there.

LRH: You can blow him, very easily. Thank you very much, Maurie.

LRH: You can blow him, very easily. Thank you very much, Maurie.

PC: Same to you, Ron.

PC: Same to you, Ron.

Now, want to demonstrate this track. This track is very close to constant. It varies in various degrees. There are periods in here when an individual has been one, an entity, or other, may have been space, operating in space; there are periods in here when a person has been this, has been that. And it's very fascinating to find out that what we will quite commonly consider future material is very often past material.

Now, want to demonstrate this track. This track is very close to constant. It varies in various degrees. There are periods in here when an individual has been one, an entity, or other, may have been space, operating in space; there are periods in here when a person has been this, has been that. And it's very fascinating to find out that what we will quite commonly consider future material is very often past material.

We have gone through a great cycle here on track: a cycle of electronics, thought, electronics, thought. For instance, now and then through history we have tried to regain our periods of being theta beings and controlling things thetawise. You see theta rising up every time you see a highly aesthetic society come into being. And then you see it deteriorate from that high aesthetic down into a MEST society, and it starts going to pieces at this time. And you see the Tone Scale repeated over and over, but this Tone Scale and this cycle is between thought/aesthetics and electronics/MEST force; those two categories. Thought, aesthetics - and thought and aesthetics, they contain such things as spiritualism, mysticism, magic, these various things. And NEST force and so forth, contains such things as standard religions of the past, guillotines, so on.

We have gone through a great cycle here on track: a cycle of electronics, thought, electronics, thought. For instance, now and then through history we have tried to regain our periods of being theta beings and controlling things thetawise. You see theta rising up every time you see a highly aesthetic society come into being. And then you see it deteriorate from that high aesthetic down into a MEST society, and it starts going to pieces at this time. And you see the Tone Scale repeated over and over, but this Tone Scale and this cycle is between thought/aesthetics and electronics/MEST force; those two categories. Thought, aesthetics - and thought and aesthetics, they contain such things as spiritualism, mysticism, magic, these various things. And NEST force and so forth, contains such things as standard religions of the past, guillotines, so on.

1 put that in there not for a joke, but because whenever a religion - you see, a religion is different than a religious philosophy, very different - a religion is that thing which is given as a package to a people about which they are not supposed to reason, and under thought and duress is used to control that people onerously. And you find many of these religions are completely bare of aesthetics. And then when they come up to higher levels of action, they actually get up toward theta for a while, and then they will slide back into a MEST religion wholly. They very seldom rise up. That is why an individual is almost never a mystic and a religious person at the same time. We need differentiation in those categories in order to understand that anything used as a control mechanism is the MEST universe: electronics and force. That means control. The MEST universe is terrifically interested in control. The theta universe is interested in freedom. It's interested in aesthetics; it's interested in creativeness. Your MEST universe is chaos.

1 put that in there not for a joke, but because whenever a religion - you see, a religion is different than a religious philosophy, very different - a religion is that thing which is given as a package to a people about which they are not supposed to reason, and under thought and duress is used to control that people onerously. And you find many of these religions are completely bare of aesthetics. And then when they come up to higher levels of action, they actually get up toward theta for a while, and then they will slide back into a MEST religion wholly. They very seldom rise up. That is why an individual is almost never a mystic and a religious person at the same time. We need differentiation in those categories in order to understand that anything used as a control mechanism is the MEST universe: electronics and force. That means control. The MEST universe is terrifically interested in control. The theta universe is interested in freedom. It's interested in aesthetics; it's interested in creativeness. Your MEST universe is chaos.

The theta universe is very orderly. It has extra dimensions. And what you miss in the MEST universe is an ability merely to throw out your hand and have some aesthetic creation come into being. That's theta universe. In the MEST universe you build and build and build and you make this great set very fancy, with great ardure, in a battle of gravity and conquering forces and so on. And at long last you have this enormous, beautiful structure and then somebody comes in - you have a tea table there - and if they're NEST universe people, they come over and they pick up the teacup and find a tiny crack in it and say, "It's cracked."

The theta universe is very orderly. It has extra dimensions. And what you miss in the MEST universe is an ability merely to throw out your hand and have some aesthetic creation come into being. That's theta universe. In the MEST universe you build and build and build and you make this great set very fancy, with great ardure, in a battle of gravity and conquering forces and so on. And at long last you have this enormous, beautiful structure and then somebody comes in - you have a tea table there - and if they're NEST universe people, they come over and they pick up the teacup and find a tiny crack in it and say, "It's cracked."

Well, that's the difference. So what you miss - what your theta beingness misses, is that aesthetic ability to create - to create at will. The universe is murder when it comes to creation. And any of you who started out in life with any slightest inkling or leaning toward the arts - and you'll find this in most children even in kindergarten - you found out that the MEST universe continually crushed the things of beauty that you had, until older people would stand there and accept nothing beautiful from you. You come in with a pretty stone that you have found and you say, 'Look at the colors in this stone,' and they say, 'Wash your hands for dinner.'

Well, that's the difference. So what you miss - what your theta beingness misses, is that aesthetic ability to create - to create at will. The universe is murder when it comes to creation. And any of you who started out in life with any slightest inkling or leaning toward the arts - and you'll find this in most children even in kindergarten - you found out that the MEST universe continually crushed the things of beauty that you had, until older people would stand there and accept nothing beautiful from you. You come in with a pretty stone that you have found and you say, 'Look at the colors in this stone,' and they say, 'Wash your hands for dinner.'

MEST universe rejects beauty. It's cruel, terrible and harsh. And that is, actually, the central conflict of man: his theta beingness at war with his MEST beingness.

MEST universe rejects beauty. It's cruel, terrible and harsh. And that is, actually, the central conflict of man: his theta beingness at war with his MEST beingness.

Now, it is quite remarkable that anything this society will develop in the field of electronics is - to speak very colloquially - old hat. You can take almost any man present, put him on the machine and get his memory realty operating, and open up a well of electronics he never suspected he knew anything about.

Now, it is quite remarkable that anything this society will develop in the field of electronics is - to speak very colloquially - old hat. You can take almost any man present, put him on the machine and get his memory realty operating, and open up a well of electronics he never suspected he knew anything about.

The cycle of lives is itself used as a control factor. One of these ten cycles here, any one of them, was primarily interested in controlling the individual so as to make him apply force in a body toward some work being accomplished. Now, those cycles in control gradually got to a point where they found out a new method of control. They say, "Well, you only live one life, and you forget every other life that you ever lived.' And as a result, you have to survive.

The cycle of lives is itself used as a control factor. One of these ten cycles here, any one of them, was primarily interested in controlling the individual so as to make him apply force in a body toward some work being accomplished. Now, those cycles in control gradually got to a point where they found out a new method of control. They say, "Well, you only live one life, and you forget every other life that you ever lived.' And as a result, you have to survive.

And so we get a new Tone Scale; you get a brand-new Tone Scale. This Tone Scale looks like this: up here-and we could have a parity on this, and I wilt draw this as a parity-here is ... [marking on blackboard] The word to describe this best is belongs, because you're part of theta, part of theta. That would be your first universe. Out of that, you get a creation. But this point, "belongs," is left, the moment one individuates.

And so we get a new Tone Scale; you get a brand-new Tone Scale. This Tone Scale looks like this: up here-and we could have a parity on this, and I wilt draw this as a parity-here is ... [marking on blackboard] The word to describe this best is belongs, because you're part of theta, part of theta. That would be your first universe. Out of that, you get a creation. But this point, "belongs," is left, the moment one individuates.

The next point down here has to do with this universe. One really decides "to be." And in deciding to be, becomes part of the theta universe; but these are many, these theta universes, evidently, and what you would call it, really, would be "home universe."

The next point down here has to do with this universe. One really decides "to be." And in deciding to be, becomes part of the theta universe; but these are many, these theta universes, evidently, and what you would call it, really, would be "home universe."

All right. Home universe is a theta universe. But you see, there could be many theta universes, because theta can create almost at will. So, we have "to be." And that is, by the way, about 40-0.

All right. Home universe is a theta universe. But you see, there could be many theta universes, because theta can create almost at will. So, we have "to be." And that is, by the way, about 40-0.

Now here, when we entered the MEST universe, we got "survive." Right there. At that point of entrance, one was told he had to survive. But this was survive as a consecutive body line or survive because of a purpose. And we get way, way down here close in to present time, some- thing of the sort, and we got survive - this is the lowest order of being - survive as a present time body for the sake of the body.

Now here, when we entered the MEST universe, we got "survive." Right there. At that point of entrance, one was told he had to survive. But this was survive as a consecutive body line or survive because of a purpose. And we get way, way down here close in to present time, some- thing of the sort, and we got survive - this is the lowest order of being - survive as a present time body for the sake of the body.

Now, there are your states of being on a Tone Scale. There at the top, you belong, individuate and decide to be. Then, as you come into the MEST universe, you decide to survive over a long period of line toward certain things or cause certain survivals. And then away down here you get survival as a present time body just for the sake of that body. Now, that's really decayed.

Now, there are your states of being on a Tone Scale. There at the top, you belong, individuate and decide to be. Then, as you come into the MEST universe, you decide to survive over a long period of line toward certain things or cause certain survivals. And then away down here you get survival as a present time body just for the sake of that body. Now, that's really decayed.

Now, in order to regain this level, your Tone Scale goes right straight on up. And where you're interested, you're interested in taking your pc out here; right there at "survive," the first "survive": entrance into the MEST universe. Because if you do that, he can still operate in the MEST universe, he can stilt operate in a body, and so on. But if he ever gets there, you're not going to be in a position where you're going to be able to tell him where he should stop. There's a great possibility that he'll hit here or he'll go right back there. Or there's a great possibility that he may go out and create a new universe. The entity which we ust hit here was operating on a fear of "Don't go back to that universe." That is not a native ambition; I think you recognize that. Yeah.

Now, in order to regain this level, your Tone Scale goes right straight on up. And where you're interested, you're interested in taking your pc out here; right there at "survive," the first "survive": entrance into the MEST universe. Because if you do that, he can still operate in the MEST universe, he can stilt operate in a body, and so on. But if he ever gets there, you're not going to be in a position where you're going to be able to tell him where he should stop. There's a great possibility that he'll hit here or he'll go right back there. Or there's a great possibility that he may go out and create a new universe. The entity which we ust hit here was operating on a fear of "Don't go back to that universe." That is not a native ambition; I think you recognize that. Yeah.

All right. There then is a picture of the track, and also a picture of the Tone Scale. Your standard track map more or less fills in, in incidents of - more or less of the character I've just written in here. Maurie is very accurate on this; he's very straight. And your first is your individuation. Sometimes there's an individuation of one and then an individuation of another one and its unition: they unite with different goals to do something, and the next thing you know, they decide to be and they go into home universe, a creative thing, and they're all very fine. And one day out of curiosity, adventurousness or something of the sort - or by getting sort of pulled out of it - they all of a sudden wind up in the MEST universe.

All right. There then is a picture of the track, and also a picture of the Tone Scale. Your standard track map more or less fills in, in incidents of - more or less of the character I've just written in here. Maurie is very accurate on this; he's very straight. And your first is your individuation. Sometimes there's an individuation of one and then an individuation of another one and its unition: they unite with different goals to do something, and the next thing you know, they decide to be and they go into home universe, a creative thing, and they're all very fine. And one day out of curiosity, adventurousness or something of the sort - or by getting sort of pulled out of it - they all of a sudden wind up in the MEST universe.

And we all seem to have more or less entered the MEST universe, thetawise, through the same hole. But then there's a distinct possibility that there are MEST universe people who are older than this level or formed differently than this. That distinct possibility faces you.

And we all seem to have more or less entered the MEST universe, thetawise, through the same hole. But then there's a distinct possibility that there are MEST universe people who are older than this level or formed differently than this. That distinct possibility faces you.

So, what do we have here? Got this MEST universe. Generally, there was a society here shortly after entrance which really formed a static, because the fellow did the same thing time after time after time after time after time. He was born, grew rapidly and was trained. All right, he was trained. Now, the next thing he did after he was trained was go to work. And what was the work? You got some kind of an idea? Manufacturing electronics would be the same motions practically. You get out of some preclears that they'd even stuff them with food so they wouldn't have to feed them every two weeks. If they sassed a guard or something like that, they had a part of them or had a field that matched them back in the guardhouse, and all you had to do was turn a switch and this fellow was in bad shape right away. At a vast distance, he was in bad shape. How do you like this electronically? Boy, could you sell this to the federal government!

So, what do we have here? Got this MEST universe. Generally, there was a society here shortly after entrance which really formed a static, because the fellow did the same thing time after time after time after time after time. He was born, grew rapidly and was trained. All right, he was trained. Now, the next thing he did after he was trained was go to work. And what was the work? You got some kind of an idea? Manufacturing electronics would be the same motions practically. You get out of some preclears that they'd even stuff them with food so they wouldn't have to feed them every two weeks. If they sassed a guard or something like that, they had a part of them or had a field that matched them back in the guardhouse, and all you had to do was turn a switch and this fellow was in bad shape right away. At a vast distance, he was in bad shape. How do you like this electronically? Boy, could you sell this to the federal government!

Anyway, the name of this universe is Arsclycus. Now, there are some joiners in here on this track, and then there's this installed-emotions incident. There are these various periods of reliving lives over and over. And then there's some more odds and ends of incident, like added entities, subtracted entities. Someplace or other on the track, a person has agreed to do almost anything. And here is this last cycle, and I want to show you - while we're on this and so on - about the last cycle.

Anyway, the name of this universe is Arsclycus. Now, there are some joiners in here on this track, and then there's this installed-emotions incident. There are these various periods of reliving lives over and over. And then there's some more odds and ends of incident, like added entities, subtracted entities. Someplace or other on the track, a person has agreed to do almost anything. And here is this last cycle, and I want to show you - while we're on this and so on - about the last cycle.

Well, what about taking a break first? Would you like to? And let me tell you about this last cycle? And then we're all through.

Well, what about taking a break first? Would you like to? And let me tell you about this last cycle? And then we're all through.