Its name may have been Smith for a long time. Now this is simply theory, unchecked, but it could account for this very interesting manifestation of a similarity of physiology from generation to generation in one family, but marked differences of personality. Because your protoplasm lines, evolutionary line, is entered at random by theta bodies. Very few theta bodies go on being Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith; they go Smith, Jones, Bersawisky - anything. Well, you see how that would operate.

Another thing is dreams. This makes dreams quite comprehensible. A dream could be occasioned in several ways. One of the ways it could be occasioned is by an aesthetic production by one of the entities - just a straight aesthetic production. Another way that it could be occasioned is by an entity reliving or reexperiencing some incident in its past. And that's a - been a long past. And it could be another entity suddenly awake and picking the data bank of a dramatizing entity. See, this entity B over here is in this incident. And all of a sudden, although the preclear is mostly asleep, your incident, then, is picked up telepathically. And what you record onto the state of beingness which you are at the time - which, by the way, is the only thing that's going awake and asleep - the being which you are or the entity which you are at the time goes awake and asleep and the others just are more or less asleep anyhow. And what you have there, then, is this entity which is asleep - going to sleep, leaving the other entities quite free to express themselves one way or another, unmonitored inside the body. And they will actually astral walk in sleep, they'll go off other places, they'll wander around and so on. They do that in the daytime, anyhow, too. And you get this "cross-telepathy," so on.

Your electronics people, that is to say, the native MEST universe people (God forgive us!)

& has the idea that an imagination is only possible - has an imagination which is only capable of fitting together the component parts of what the individual already knows and has seen and experienced. Uh-huh.

This is what an electronics computer would work like. Theta is quite aesthetic and it is capable of tailor-making something out of whole cloth. But you take an entity or a theta being which has been told, by actual count, eight quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-two million, nine hundred and fifty-four billion, eight hundred and sixty- seven million, three hundred and twenty-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-two and a half times, by almost that many mothers, "You mustn't use your imagination!" And the fellow becomes convinced after a while that it's only safe to (quote) "imagine" what he has been told he could imagine.

PC: Nope.

Theta beingness can soar on imagination to unbelievable heights of new construction, because that's what theta does.

LRH: Which one of you is alive? Which one of you is alive?

Theta does not experience. Experience is something native in the MEST universe - sort of nasty stuff that people said you had to have. But you don't have to have it; you can extrapolate any experience in any direction, but practically no person at the state that the world is in and the race is in at the moment does this kind of an operation. They just don 't operate this way. They don't imagine, that's all. Imagination is practically dead.

PC: Center.

The theta being and its partner are the imaginers, and they're in such bad states that there isn't much you can do about it - as witness most of the popular magazine stories today. They're all down in the apathy band.

LRH: Center is alive?

Now, something else you might like to know about this. There are several things you might like to know about this that have turned up from one time or another. And this is going to come up here in the rest of this, but I want to comment on it this place, and then comment on it in what is the next lecture, because it's something you will find very interesting.

PC: Yep.

Evidently, and I won't say this certainly, emotion is installed. It is an installed thing; its MEST universe installed - what you call emotion. Boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief and apathy are carefully installed; they are nothing else but installed! And boy, that's very important to you because you can knock out the whole emotional bank by auditing on the theta being side. (audience laughter)

LRH: Good. Just realized it?

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: No.

[The pc sounds female]

LRH: You knew that all the time?

Ok let's take a look at the track.

PC: Apparently not.

LRH: How old are you, natively? (pause) What did you think of?

[Booklet 17 begins here with "FIRST DEMONSTRATION", "AUD: Does any of your theta bodies have any MEST bodies anywhere else?"]

PC: Ages.

LRH: Mm-hm. You knew that.

LRH: Ages. Is it worse than ages?

All right. Do you - does any of your theta bodies have another MEST body anyplace else but here?

PC: Immeasurable, by present-day standards.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Immeasurable. Pretty long, then. How about a trillion years?

LRH: Mm-hm. Which one has a MEST body somewhere else?

PC: Possibly longer than that.

PC: Left outside.

LRH: Trillions? Way up there. Millions? What did you think of?

LRH: The left outside has a body someplace else, huh? Is that right? Yeah.

PC: Three or four trillion.

And what's the body like?

LRH: Three or four trillions. You three or four trillion years old? Well, we'll take that as an answer because there shouldn't be very much charge on it - the person is.

PC: About three inches taller.

Were you initially just one? Mm-hm? Which one is that now?

LRH: About three inches taller? Mm-hm. What's it do normally?

PC: Me? Possibly.

PC: I don't know. Doctor?

LRH: Me. Where is it resident?

LRH: Doctor? Used to be a doctor?

PC: Within me.

PC: No, is.

LRH: All through you? Okay, that's fine.

LRH: It is a doctor? Oh, you got another body on earth?

Now, we'll just plot this. And what I'm showing you here is how to plot a track, not the plot of a track. You get the difference? This is how to plot a track.

PC: No.

[question from audience - unintelligible]

LRH: Got another body on earth, or you're splitting a body with somebody? Well, that's okay.

Okay. NOW, here we have-let's take it up here [marking on black board] and let's take it - inception. And here we have one being, and we're going out on a time line here, from there to present time according to the machine, of three to four trillion years. Now, let's find out what's happened in those three or four trillion years.

PC: Yep.

Take a look here at the E-Meter. Did this - what did you think of?

LRH: The left side splitting a body with somebody?

A lot of things happened? What did you think of?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, I was thinking about some ancient buildings.

LRH: Yeah. Okay.

LRH: Some ancient buildings. Mm-hm. These in the theta universe or the MEST universe.

How about a body elsewhere? Does the left side have a body somewhere else?

PC: In the MEST universe.

PC: No.

LRH: Yeah, well, that's ... Ah, between lives?

LRH: No. How about the right side? Does it have a body somewhere else?

PC: (laugh)

PC: Yep.

LRH: MEST universe between lives?

LRH: Mm-hm. The right side have a body somewhere else, huh? And where's that body?

PC: Possibly.

PC: Well, that body is a long ways off.

LRH: Or before the between-lives cycle?

LRH: A long way off.

Before the between-lives cycle. Is that where you lived before ... Is that before earth? Is that on earth7

PC: Yeah.

PC: No!

LRH: Where would you think it was?

LRH: No? All right, the machine drops; says no. Where was it? In this system? In this planetary system?

PC: The first one was Mars.

PC: Um-very, very far away.

LRH: The first flash is Mars?

LRH: Very far away. This galaxy?

PC: Yeah, that was what it was ...

PC: No.

LRH: What a coincidence, Mars again! My, that's coincidental. It's been a coincidence now for an awful lot of preclears, except one had to break the chain - only I think he's a traitor to the cause.

LRH: Another island galaxy?

PC: When I said "long ways off" it was Mars.

PC: Well, I get the impression of a very, very bright star.

LRH: Mars, huh?

LRH: A very bright star, maybe another galaxy. A long way off, huh? At least a long way off. How long ago was this? Order of magnitude?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Oh, couple of million years ago, possibly.

LRH: Well, you don't mind it being Mars, do you?

LRH: Two million years ago? Something like that?

PC: No.

PC: No, longer than that.

LRH: Do you have a body there?

LRH: Three million?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Eight.

LRH: What's it do?

LRH: Eight million? Eight million? Two million? Three? Four? Between three and four? What are you thinking of?

PC: First thing I get is "run things."

PC: I'm just watching that.

LRH: It runs things, huh?

LRH: You're not thinking.

PC: Runs things, ruler, driver - not driver, no ...

PC: (laughter) It said eight, possibly more.

LRH: Was it a ruler once?

LRH: Oh, you're looking at this needle to check it?

PC: Yep.

PC: Well, is it - does it - okay, maybe it's best I don't look.

LRH: Good old days, huh?

LRH: She's guessing against the needle now. Well, that's all right; you can do that. It doesn't invalidate the needle any. just makes it a little bit slower to answer.

PC: No, now.

Was it eight million years ago? Two? Three? Four? Five? Five million years ago? Okay, that's good enough. What's a million years?

LRH: Now?

NOW, right down here, we're going to mark in "present time." Now we're going to go back here eight million years. I mean - what was that?

PC: That's what I get.

PC: Five.

LRH: Mm-hm. The machine doesn't.

LRH: Five million.

PC: Okay.

& Ah, what's five million years.

LRH: Tell me, is this body alive?

Female voice: Five million.

PC: No.

LRH: Well, what's five million? Okay, five million years ago, there's something on the track there. Ancient buildings. Did these blow up?

LRH: Oh, the body's dead?

They blew up. Was that a whole civilization blowing up?

PC: No.

PC: I think ...

LRH: Body isn't dead ...

LRH: Is it? Whole civilization blow up?

PC: No.

PC: I just get ...

LRH: ... isn't alive, yeah. Where do you imagine it could be?

LRH: Whole thing blew up! What were the buildings like? Very pretty.?

PC: Between times.

PC: No.

LRH: Just sort of between times, huh? Mm-hm. There we are. Now we're getting the between-lives hunt. Okay.

LRH: Looked like Angkor Vat, that right?

PC: I'll be damned.

[The R&D provides an interesting note here on Angkor Vat: a temple complex built in Cambodia in the 1100s, in the ancient city of Angkor (capital of an early civilization in Cambodia). Angkor Vat covers nearly one square mile and is rectangular and pyramidal in form. It has three stories, with towers, porticoes (porches consisting of a roof supported by columns, often at the entrance or across the front of a building), galleries (covered walks open at one side or having the roof supported by pillars), stairways, etc. The entire structure is covered with exquisite carvings. After Angkor was conquered by the Siamese in the fourteenth century, the city and its temples, in ruins, became buried in the jungle. The site was discovered by a French botanist in 1860.]

LRH: Now, let's find out some more about this body. Is it lying on a shelf?

PC: Mm-hm!

PC: No.

LRH: just about, okay. All right. Now ...

LRH: Is it lying in a box?

PC: Lots of spirals.

PC: No.

LRH: Yeah, that's right. Okay. Now let's take another look at - and by the way, I want to do this rapidly for you and I'm throwing in another variable here on you; I'm actually going to read by nothing but the meter. But you can spend hours doing this, and so I'm going to pick it up much more rapidly, if it's all right with you, okay? just know what I'm doing here.

LRH: Is it lying in a pit?

All right, were you yourself in that society? (pause) Were you a slave?

PC: No.

PC: No.

LRH: Is it sitting someplace?

LRH: No. You were an important person? Mm-hm? That was a high point on your track, perhaps? No.

PC: Standing.

It isn't a charged point either, is it? Yeah, a little bit. What happened there to you that was bad?

LRH: It's standing.

PC: Did something I shouldn't do.

PC: Yeah, that's what I get.

LRH: Oh, big overt act?

LRH: Oh, you poor devil. It's standing, huh? Where is it standing?

PC: No, just killed everybody! (audience laughter)

PC: Standing in a hall.

LRH: Well, well, well, well.

LRH: Standing in a hall.

PC: (laugh) No!

PC: Waiting for a turn.

LRH: Was it a dull afternoon or something? (audience laughter) It was a dull afternoon! Was there any more cause for it than that?

LRH: Waiting for its turn, to what?

PC: (laugh) No.

PC: Report.

LRH: That's right, that's the way we used to be. Happy people. (audience laughter) Well, that's an overt act, huh?

LRH: Does it think you're dead?

PC: I - I did something; I made an experiment.

PC: Nope.

LRH: Made an experiment.

LRH: The heck it doesn't. (audience laughter) When did it think you were dead?

PC: (laugh) And the whole place blew up.

PC: Earlier.

LRH: The whole place blew up. Well-well, that's one less civilization ...

LRH: Thought you were dead earlier. During an operation? Did you ever die in an operation? Did ...

PC: That's what my curiosity got.

PC: No.

LRH: Now, get a good, clear recall, get the realest moment in that. What's the realest moment in it to you?

LRH: ...ever think you died in an operation?

PC: I pushed something.

PC: No, I haven't had any major one, except tonsillectomy maybe ...

LRH: All right, is that good and real to you? Is there another moment there in that civilization that's quite real to you? Any part of that cycle, any part of that particular civilization? Got something there that's really nice and real?

LRH: Tonsillectomy?

PC: A very tall man.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A very tall man. Yea-yea! Is he real to you? Just want to pick up the reality level on it. How's your communication with this very tall man? Is he antipathetic to you? He like you?

LRH: How about a tonsillectomy? Did it think you died in a tonsillectomy?

PC: No.

PC: Could be. Getting it strong on that.

LRH: He didn't like you. Oh! He didn't like you. Was that the trouble?

LRH: It just thinks you're dead?

PC: Oh, no. No, I - I did - did something I shouldn't have done.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did something you shouldn't have done. All right.

LRH: Okay. Sort of missing. Well, what's it doing right now then?

PC: Yes, I was fooling around in something I shouldn't have ...

PC: Waiting.

LRH: He told you so.

LRH: Waiting. How long has it been waiting there?

PC: Yes, he did!

PC: A thousand years, roughly.

LRH: Was this man related to you?

LRH: It's been in the area thousands of years?

PC: No. No, he's the - the head of it.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh, he ruled the place.

LRH: It hasn't been waiting in line thousands of years?

PC: No, he wasn't the ruler. He - he was in charge of whatever I was doing; it's some sort of laboratorial work.

PC: No.

LRH: Oh, I see.

LRH: Has it been waiting in line thousands of years?

PC: And uh ...

PC: No.

LRH: Have you liked chemistry since?

LRH: No. All right. Has it been up there thousands of years?

PC: Oh, no!

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Simple explanations for these things.

LRH: Is it in good repair now?

PC: I flunked it every time.

PC: No.

LRH: You see what it takes to get - educate one theta being? Does a theta being need education?

LRH: Could you monitor that body from right where you are right now?

PC: No.

Could you make it do something?

LRH: How does it feel to be educated? Good?

PC: Thought I get - first thought I got on that was no, but I think I could.

PC: Well, of course.

LRH: Oh? Could you do something to it? Make it do something?

LRH: It feels good to be educated?

PC: No.

PC: Not necessarily educated.

LRH: Why? Why can't you make it do something?

LRH: How about the process of getting educated? Is that good?

PC: First thought I get on this is "I don't want to."

PC: No.

LRH: Oh, go on. Give it a nudge. Give it a nudge.

LRH: That's right, no good. Okay. Well, we've got an incident here, this is a minor overt act. (audience laughter)

PC: All right.

Minor overt act on the - she probably considered that on the fourth dynamic. Would you say it was the fourth?

LRH: Give it a good nudge - solid nudge.

PC: Pretty definitely.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. How have you felt about the fourth since? Been very defensive?

LRH: Hit it harder.

PC: Yes.

PC: All right.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make any sense to you suddenly?

LRH: Now, make it turn around and slug the next guy in line.

PC: Very much so.

PC: Okay.

LRH: It does? Good. Well, we're trying to build track, not to make you happier. (laugh)

LRH: All right, let's slug somebody else now; let's start a riot. Anything wrong with starting a riot? See, you realize it will probably get killed, don't you? Would it be bad if it got killed?

Okay, let's get on with this. That remark killed off a little bit of sympathy, didn't it? Killed off a little bit of rapport with you, didn't it?

PC: Yeah, seems to be.

No? No, that's fine. That's fine. All right (having reestablished it), we'll get another matter now. Have you ever been put together with some other souls? Some other beings?

LRH: Would it be bad if it got killed?

PC: Yes.

PC: No.

LRH: Yeah. When? When is the first time you picked up ...

LRH: It's getting a little hunt here now; that's just fine. Would you be free if it got killed?

PC: Well, I did a damned fool thing.

PC: Maybe, yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're not too worried about it, though? They ever tell it to tell you what to do?

PC: I was curious.

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: They ever tell it what to do?

PC: I don't get any visio on this at all, Ron.

PC: Yeah!

LRH: You don't?

LRH: Mm-hm. That's not as bad, huh?

PC: But just the feeling. I was very curious about something and - and I - I cut my nose off to spite my face.

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago was this?

LRH: No? Pretty good, huh?

PC: Oh, ages ago. Long, long time ago.

PC: No.

LRH: Uh-huh, what did you do? Volunteer?

LRH: Hm, fine. Look, if you didn't have to report back there, could you go someplace else?

PC: No, somebody told me so ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. And you did something.

LRH: Mm-hm. Would you be free?

PC: ... that I better watch out, but I did it anyway.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And it was curious ...

LRH: Well, is that bad?

PC: Uh-huh.

PC: No. (yawns)

LRH: Curiosity? It was

LRH: No. Well, let's take a look at this again. Where's the body now?

PC: I wanted to find out what would happen.

PC: Here.

LRH: Trying to find out, huh? Well, is this after the civilization blew up?

LRH: Did it just come back? The theta body just come back here?

PC: Oh, yes! A long time after that.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A long time after this blew up. Mm-hm. What did you think of?

LRH: Yeah. Where's its body?

Got a nice drop here.

PC: Here and there.

PC: Well ...

LRH: Where's its NEST body?

LRH: Before the civilization blew up?

PC: Here.

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm. Its MEST body is here. Is there a MEST body there?

LRH: After?

PC: No.

PC: Seems to me it was after.

LRH: What happened?

LRH: After? After it blew up? Before it blew up? Which? What are you getting confused on this?

PC: It's gone.

PC: After. After.

LRH: Was the body gone all the time?

LRH: I wonder if this was the MEST universe? Yeah, MEST universe. What did you think of? Was it - you thought of after?

PC: Yeah.

PC: I thought of after. After this deal blew up because I knew more before it - I mean, I knew more when it blew up than I did when this happened.

LRH: Hm. What's it been doing, one of these perpetual stand-in-lines?

LRH: Is there a big - a big impact in that blowup?

PC: Yeah.

PC: You mean physically?

LRH: How long has this been going on?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Thousands of years, maybe.

PC: Thetawise?

LRH: Thousands of years. How long ago did this NEST body die?

LRH: No, physically.

PC: The number I get on it is thirty thousand.

PC: Well, physically - heck, it got - I was dead.

LRH: About thirty thousand years ago. Long time ago, huh?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, this might be, then. Is there sort of a jam around this incident? I mean, is there a sort of a grouper? Or is this grouper when you got curious and joined up with some other souls? Is this what's the grouper?

LRH: Not a long time ago?

PC: That may be it.

PC: No, thirty thousand years.

LRH: Is that the grouper? Mm-hm. Have you regretted that very much? Well, it's not terribly bad. That's after this blowup? Okay. How many years afterwards? Halfway to present time?

LRH: Oh, that's not a long time ago, that's right. Well, is it glad to be back here? Is he stuck in an incident?

PC: Oh, no.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Two thousand years ago?

LRH: What incident is he stuck in?

PC: No, it's longer than that, much longer than that.

PC: What I get is Emanator business.

LRH: Thirty-five thousand?

LRH: Got "none of your business," huh?

PC: It's closer to about a million and a half years ago.

PC: I said Emanator business.

LRH: Million and a half years ago. Okay. Million and a half years ago?

LRH: Emanator. He's stuck in the Emanator business?

PC: (laugh)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah, that's close enough. What's a million and a half?

LRH: Well, you can audit him out of that, can't you?

PC: It's a million-maybe two.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's practically present time.

LRH: Well, tell him to come up to present time.

PC: Two - it's two. Now it's two; it's going up now - look. (audience laughter)

PC: All right.

LRH: Two million.

LRH: Can he?

PC: Okay. It's way up now. What do you ...

PC: First thought I get on it is no, but I think it can be done.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Mm-hm. How about getting him to remember something absolutely real?

PC: What was that?

PC: (pause) All right.

LRH: Oh, it's just - you just got some charge on this. Now, how many souls ... Did you get put together with some other souls?

LRH: Does he find something that's real to him?

PC: Couple of hundred of them.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Couple of hundred of them?

LRH: Mm-hm. How about something else?

PC: But they're not all there now. I mean, I don't have them all with me now.

PC: (pause) No.

LRH: Oh, they're not all there now.

LRH: Can he find something else? What was the last real thing he got?

PC: But at the time ...

PC: Making an emanator.

LRH: What was the circumstances surrounding this? just tell me rapidly.

LRH: Mm-hm. Overt act?

You needn't be coy about it, people here can understand.

LRH: Mm-hm. Does he feel guilty about it?

PC: Well, I - I - the - the concepts are not clear. I mean, they don't come as fast as I like them to; there's a lot of occlusion here. Apparently we got all stuck together because we didn't want that to happen again.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Some other being now answering than him, huh?

PC: When this explosion occurred.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Didn't want that to happen again.

LRH: How about letting him answer?

PC: No. And we figured if we stuck together, I wouldn't make any more experiments.

PC: All right.

LRH: That's the - kind of the way it goes. This is a late joiner. Were you operating on a compulsion because of earlier incidents joining you up? Other things? What did you think of?

LRH: Now, I'm going to address him very directly. You glad to be back here and off the rat race?

PC: No.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: No? All right. Are there earlier incidents where you're joined up with others?

LRH: Do you recognize it was a rat race?

PC: No.

PC: I get a "yeah" on that.

LRH: No earlier incidents? Hah! What did you think of?

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you feel? Did you know anybody else was here in this body?

PC: Well, whether it was so or not.

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, let's rapidly check: How many others are here in this body?

PC: No. I don't ...

PC: Twelve.

LRH: Okay. All right, let me go off on this track. Is there an incident there where emotions are installed in you?

LRH: About twelve? Mm-hm. How many of those are supernumerary?

PC: (yawn)

PC: (sigh)

LRH: Can you pick that up?

LRH: How many of them could you just get rid of right this minute?

PC: Well, I'm thinking now of - of a slimy place.

PC: About four or five.

LRH: A slimy place?

LRH: Well, shell them out.

PC: With a lot of big animals in it.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Oh, a swamp?

LRH: Don't want to?

PC: Looks like a prehistoric scene.

PC: Just a sec.

LRH: What's this? Earth?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: It takes time.

LRH: Is this the somatic soul, earth?

LRH: It takes time. All right, go ahead. Kick them out.

PC: Hm.

PC: It's been a favorite one.

LRH: Somatic entity, earth?

LRH: All right. What did you get?

PC: Possibly.

PC: Seven.

LRH: Is it earth?

LRH: Mm-hm, okay. What were the others from? Overt acts or something?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which one was responsible for holding them in?

PC: Yes. Uhm ...

PC: What I got is center.

LRH: Nothing much on this ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Center wanted to accumulate them?

PC: There's brontosaurus and dinosaurs and oh ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is this a million-million years ago7

LRH: The stomach soul wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Uh ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What are we on here now, the somatic line? Mm-hm. Thought so. Let's get on back on the theta line, huh? Now, did the theta being ever get joined to anybody else? (pause) What did you think of?

LRH: Right side wanted to accumulate them?

PC: When this explosion took place ...

PC: No.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Left side wanted to accumulate them?

PC: ... that's when I said we all joined up together so I wouldn't make any ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. All right.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Well, there's some more of them around. Tell me is there another one here that has a body up there?

PC: ... I would be controlled.

PC: No.

LRH: Okay. You consented to it?

LRH: Don't find another one, huh? How about the right side? Does it have a body anyplace else than here?

PC: Really.

PC: No.

LRH: Where were you standing when you consented to it?

LRH: No? Well, I guess we got you. Let's get somebody else.

PC: I wasn't standing anyplace; I was floating around in the air.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording. The demonstration resumes with a different preclear.]

LRH: Okay. And what ...

[Booklet 17 says "SECOND DEMONSTRATION" at this point.]

PC: We had a big confab.

LRH: Okay. You way back on the track?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: And they said, "Well, she's got to be toned down a little bit. She's - she's too curious."

LRH: How many million years?

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: Oh, about fifteen, twenty.

PC: "These things mustn't happen anymore."

LRH: Fifteen, twenty million years?

LRH: Mm-hm. And you agreed to it?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, if I blew up a whole lot of people, who wouldn't?

LRH: How about longer?

LRH: Why? Is there deep regret on this? Is that why you agreed to it?

PC: Hm, could be.

PC: Well, I - I don't like to kill people.

LRH: She's way back. Which one of you is way back?

LRH: Why not?

PC: Hmm ...

PC: Well, you're not supposed to.

LRH: Center?

LRH: Who said so?

PC: No, about three of me.

PC: They did.

LRH: About three of you is way back?

LRH: Yeah, who's "they"?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, that's why I'm here in the first place.

LRH: Notice that emanation, that wide hunt there? That's way back. It got pretty narrow by the time they got to this last show, last thirty-rhousand-year show. Well now, tell me, any one of these theta bodies - does it have a body elsewhere?

LRH: Oh! That's why you're here in the first place? On earth in the first place?

PC: Mm-hm, two.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Has two.

LRH: Mm-hm. This is a later incident, though?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: No. No, no.

LRH: Which one of them?

LRH: No?

PC: Which one of them what?

PC: No, it tie - ties in with all the rest of them.

LRH: Which one of them has a body elsewhere?

LRH: Oh!

PC: Two of them have.

PC: With the original one: the reason that I was so curious.

LRH: Well, which two?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh! The left inside and the right center, the right of center.

PC: See, and I had to go find out.

LRH: just to the right of center?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: I wanted to know what was - what was going on.

LRH: Okay, where is this left inside body?

LRH: Okay. All right. Now, present time.

PC: Sirius.

[to audience] We've got this problem here; it's a relatively simple problem. Here's a track chart. This track chart is demanding an incident to be run. This incident, of course, is probably that incident. Now, so what you get here: you're getting a small machine reaction. She said "eight" once and we got a reaction on it, and I can believe the machine, so it was eight.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, is it having a good time?

All right. Now, this incident, in other words, is overt on four, and it's all the further we're going to get with this track, that's all. There'd be no sense in wasting any more time on it till we just blow this thing.

PC: Mm-hm. Always has a good time.

Now actually, you could probably blow it, more or less, by Strightwire and realization. Person thinks it over for a while - blows it. Could do. Very possibly you'd have to be audited, and the regret taken off of the thing. And then you'd find other incidents showing up here on the track as we went on up. Okay?

LRH: What do you know!

[to pc] Okay?

Anybody got a body of yours in pawn?

PC: Okay.

PC: No. (laugh)

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH: Hm. That's the trouble with dames; they get exempt on these things a lot of times. (laugh)

& Oh no. Oh no (laugh)

All right. Well, how about Sirius, is it nice up there?

[to audience] Okay, there's one - there's one pc as part of the track. Let's take a clean slate here. Take a nice clean slate. [lots of noise]

PC: Mm, could be better.

[to pc] Thank you very much.

LRH: Mm-hm. Could be better. What's the planet's (snap) name?

PC: You're welcome.

PC: That's the only one I know about.

LRH: And also a clean pencil.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, guess we're not going to get too much information here on the subject of. Are they all kind of stuck on the track someplace or other this way?

[to next pc] And how old are you, Maurie? You got it. How old was that?

PC: Mm, those two are pretty well stuck.

[New pc - male]

LRH: just two are.

PC: Four, I got.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Four what? Is this just the present life age flash of one being? Four million?

LRH: Well, can you free them up? Which is the first one that could be brought up to present time?

PC: I think trillion.

PC: The right of center one.

LRH: Trillion? Yeah, great. Now, were you one being four trillion years ago?

LRH: The right of center one, huh?

PC: No.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Two beings?

LRH: What's holding it back?

PC: Yes.

PC: The agreement to come here in the first place.

LRH: Okay. Two beings. All right. And these two beings were - did they - were they joined by force or something? Were they joined ...

LRH: Oh. Can you click that?

PC: I get a mixed reaction on that.

PC: I've been trying all day.

LRH: Uh-huh. Would you rather they'd never been joined?

LRH: What's the matter? Is it sorry it came here?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Why did they join up? You thought of it - what was it?

LRH: Not sorry enough.

PC: Um - thought they could do something more in combination than they could singly.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Mm-hm. That's right. And did each one have the same goals or they have different goals?

LRH: Did it come here because it's got another one here?

PC: Different.

PC: Mm, got a couple of friends there.

LRH: Different goals. Are these goals in conflict with each other - any degree?

LRH: Got a couple of friends there?

PC: No.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: To what universe did these goals apply?

LRH: Mm-hm. Couple of your theta lines that are with you right now?

PC: Theta.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Theta universe. Do they fit with the MEST universe?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what if those left?

PC: I get a "yes."

PC: Probably go too.

LRH: Mm-hm. Have they had to be retailored to fit with the MEST universe in any way, or do they fit smoothly?

LRH: Well, which one of those won't go?

PC: Smoothly.

PC: The stomach one.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Are you accomplishing them?

LRH: The stomach one won't go.

PC: A real weak "yes" on that.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Far away sort of a thing? Mm-hm. Well, can they just step into full beingness and pervade all of you, and go on and do everything they can do? Is there anything blocking them from doing this?

LRH: Why won't it go?

PC: Yeah, I think I have another being here that is saying, "No, you can't do this," and "No, you haven't done it," and so forth.

PC: It's happy, I guess.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago did you acquire that being? That entity? How long ago did you acquire that entity?

LRH: Is it happy?

PC: I get "four million."

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: About four million years ago? A very contradictory entity?

LRH: Mm-hm. Not unhappy. Hm, one big happy family.

PC: Yeah.

PC: (laugh) Yeah.

LRH: Very contradictory. About four million years ago? Mm-hm. (pause) Oh, added by somebody, huh? Who added it?

LRH: Is that right? Evidently.

[to audience] Seeing this characteristic bop-bop-bop - short bops.

PC: I've got a nice somatic right here.

PC: Get "hypnosis.

LRH: Oh, that one is putting up a protest.

LRH: Added by hypnosis.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, is that a man or a woman?

LRH: Pushed in on you by hypnosis. Were there any others added to you at the same time?

PC: Always women.

PC: Nope.

LRH: It's always women?

Nope. just one, huh? Well, what do you know? Four million years ago. Okay. Four million - one added entity. Is it stuck at the time it was added?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay, what's the matter with that one?

LRH: Stuck at the time it was added, huh? Why, did it - was told to stay there or something? Was it under orders to join you? Or were you put under orders to have it joined?

PC: Doesn't want to be bothered.

PC: I think it was ordered to join me.

LRH: Does it hurt somewhere? Hm?

LRH: Ordered to join you. That's right. Okay. And it's been obeying those orders ever since. Did you consent to have it?

PC: Doesn't want to be bothered.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Doesn't want to be bothered.

LRH: Yep. Why? Why did you consent to have it? You got it - what is it?

PC: Hm-mm.

PC: For some reason or other I thought it would improve me.

LRH: And when you try to bother it, what's it do?

LRH: Did it?

PC: Demonstrates it doesn't want to be bothered by acting up.

PC: No.

LRH: By doing what?

LRH: No. Well, can you jettison it?

PC: By turning on a somatic.

PC: It's not going to like it, but I can do it.

LRH: Turning on a somatic? Why don't you move in on it and boot it out of that somatic? Come on, just move in on it and boot it out of that somatic.

LRH: It's not going to like it, huh? Do you have to consult its convenience rather than your own?

PC: (pause) It's gone. The somatic has gone off

PC: Uh - I say "no," it says "yes."

LRH: The somatic is gone. Bring it all the way up to present time.

LRH: All right. How do you get rid of it? Can you audit it away, or do you just blow it? It wants to stay?

PC: (pause) Something is blocking it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: It wants to stay.

PC: Something's blocking it.

PC: I think I've still got some acceptance of it, too.

LRH: Something blocking it ...

LRH: You think so. What's your main acceptance?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: "I'll die if I get rid of it."

LRH: ... from coming up to present time?

LRH: Who said so? Somebody say so? Yeah, somebody said so. Who said so? The hypnotist?

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: Yeah.

[Booklet 17 omits this brief demo and skips to the next one.]

LRH: Is that part of the sequence?

PC: ... the tongue and stuff removed.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Hac vocal ... Oh, had your tongue torn out.

LRH: And then does it say so since?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm. And I agreed to it then.

LRH: Hm, makes difficult communication in MEST bodies.

LRH: Mm-hm. You agreed to be hypnotized, too?

PC: Yeah, a little difficult.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, does it recognize that there is - does it have a home?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can you handle that?

PC: No. It's sticking pretty close to the center ...

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. And by the way, just for designation, what's the more or less geographical location of this entity we're just now talking about?

PC: ... and follows it around.

(pause) Head?

LRH: Doesn't it have a home someplace else?

PC: No, solar plexus.

PC: Oh Yeah, of its own, but it hasn't been back in a long time.

LRH: Why can't it go back?

PC: There's one in the solar plexus and there's one on each side a little below it.

PC: Hm, kind of likes it where - being on the right of the center one.

LRH: Ah, three entities in the solar plexus. Okay - in the solar plexus area.

LRH: Turned a somatic on.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Fine. Are two of these somatic?

LRH: Doesn't make it very friendly.

PC: Yeah.

PC: No, but if you have one that turns on the somatics, well, I'll leave it pretty much alone.

LRH: Well, what do you know, you got two somatic entities. By the way, somatic entities quite often split. Okay, and this other one is just an additive soul. Well ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Will leave it alone as long as it turns on ...

And by the way, is that soul quite sane?

PC: Not after this: I'll get after it.

PC: Huh-uh. [No.]

LRH: Okay. How do you feel now?

LRH: That's right. By the way, they get into that area and it's a terrible area, because the perceptions aren't close to it and they're under compulsion to have perceptions and they're under compulsion not to use their own perceptions and a lot of other odds and ends. So they get quite psycho in the area. And then their fear installation - Fac One and so forth - hits them right on the button, bam! just like that. Fac One hit you right on the button there with that solar plexus thing?

PC: Good.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good?

LRH: Isn't bothering you any! (audience laughter) Okay. Now, what do we find earlier than that? Is there another universe before the MEST universe?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Good. Okay.

LRH: Are there two universes before the MEST universe? What did you think of?

[to audience] Somebody else here.

PC: Hm-I get confusion; my first reaction was "no," and then I got a "yes."

Male voice: Okay.

LRH: Well, tell me, one of these beings - a one of these entities - it wasn't back there with you. Is that right?

LRH: Okay. This gentleman has very kindly volunteered. Well, how are all "you all" tonight?

PC: Hm. Yeah.

PC: Fine.

LRH: All right.

[Booklet 17 says "THIRD DEMONSTRATION" at this point.]

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That's good. Let's get right down to the root of this matter. Which center are you running on? Which theta body are you running on?

LRH: That straightened him out? Okay, let's ask the one - other one now. Are there two universes ahead of NEST universe, or one? This universe, [marking on blackboard] one universe, two, and here's the MEST universe. What would you call this second universe? Would you call that your home universe? Did you have anything to do with its creation?

PC: Right center.

PC: Yeah. Yes.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: What's the matter, you got charge on that? Hm?

PC: Right center.

PC: Well, I was ...

LRH: You're running on the right center? How about the center center?

LRH: Charge on it, huh?

PC: Sometimes.

PC: Some idea about perhaps dimensions; I don't know what word I should use, but just dimensions ...

LRH: How about the right side? Run on the right side?

LRH: Okay, good.

PC: (mumble)

PC: ... concerning that universe.

LRH: Mm-hm. Inboard right side? Outboard right side? Outboard right side?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Inboard right side.

PC: Has more dimensions than we're accustomed to.

LRH: Inboard. Mm-hm. You sort of shift around, don't you?

LRH: Oh, I see. Four? Eight?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Three and infinity.

LRH: Yeah. Any reason you have to? Can't your center be trusted? Can it be trusted?

LRH: Yeah, tiree and infinity. A three-and-infinity universe. Good.

PC: Sometimes.

That's characteristic of a thought universe. Okay. Did you help create that universe?

LRH: Sometimes.

PC: I get a "yes."

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What happened to it? Is it still there?

LRH: When did it fail last?

PC: Yes.

PC: Which one?

LRH: MEST universe - did you come into the MEST universe voluntarily?

LRH: Center.

PC: I think so.

PC: Which center?

LRH: What did you think of next after that?

LRH: Right here.

PC: My solar plexus.

PC: Oh, the center one.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you voluntarily move from universe two into the MEST universe?

LRH: That's what I thought: sound asleep.

PC: Uh ...

PC: For some time.

LRH: The MEST universe ...

LRH: Yes. How about waking it up? Move over into it. Be it.

PC: There's a reluctance of some kind.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah, you've got a reluctance to talk about this, haven't you? You're protecting some information about it? You're protecting some information about it?

LRH: Got it? How does it feel?

PC: There's fear on it - some kind.

PC: Pretty good.

LRH: Yeah. Do you dare tell? Do you dare know? Are you holding information from somebody on it?

LRH: Any somatic turn on?

PC: Yes.

PC: One that usually does when I try to shift over into it.

[End of HCL-18]

LRH: Oh, well, where does the somatic turn on?

[Beginning of the HCL-27 reel]

PC: Through the center of the head.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

LRH: Through the center of the head.

LRH: Did you have to protect the information in that hypnosis? Mm-hm. What did you think of?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah, I think I did.

LRH: What part of the center of the head?

LRH: And you've been holding back information sort of ever since, in a general line? What if somebody in the MEST universe learned about how you got into this home universe? Who are you protecting information from? (pause)

PC: TOP.

PC: (sigh)

LRH: Through the top?

LRH: Tell me, can you be rolled out of this universe of your own and enslaved by the MEST universe?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: I get confusion.

LRH: That's the somatic that knocked it out? Is this Facsimile One - what we ve been calling Facsimile One - getting a camera turned at you, a band put around your head and bap-bap-bap?

LRH: If anybody knew the secret of the theta universe, could they then have an almost unlimited number of slaves?

PC: Could be it.

PC: Yes.

LRH: So how does the center like the noise whirr bap-bap, whirr bap-bap, whirr bap-bap? Like this?

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Not too well.

PC: Yes, but they wouldn't want to.

LRH: Not too well. Well, are there three points up there on top of your skull or just one?

LRH: They wouldn't want to. Who wouldn't want to? Some of these people in the MEST universe wouldn't want to? (pause) People in the theta universe?

PC: Well, it's elongated.

PC: I don't think that people in the theta universe would want to.

LRH: Mm-hm, like the soft spot in a baby's head?

LRH: And once having rolled out of it, you wouldn't want people to know how to get back into it, would you? (pause) No charge on that.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: ... be it.

LRH: Oh. Is this a lock on Fac One?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Mm.

PC: Seems to be it.

LRH: Or is this before Fac One? Before? Earlier on the time track? Earlier.

LRH: Mm-hm? You trying to keep the people in the MEST universe from getting into the theta universe? (pause) What've you got there?

PC: No.

PC: I feel I'm trying to keep myself from getting into it.

LRH: Huh? Yeah. What did you do, get killed when you were a baby? Hit over the head or something? Fall out of your crib? Hit over the head?

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from getting into it. Well, what's wrong with you? Something wrong with you now? Hm?

PC: Hit over the head.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hit over the head.

LRH: Would you do something bad to the theta universe if you got into it?

PC: Something like ...

PC: Seems to be yes.

LRH: What hit you over the head? Somebody hit you over the head?

LRH: Would you take bad knowledge into it? Bad experience?

PC: A mace.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: What do you have, a degraded feeling about it?

PC: A mace of some sort.

PC: Ooh! Yeah.

LRH: As a baby?

LRH: Shame won't let you go home? (pause) Ah.

PC: Mm-hm.

Did you roll out of the theta universe, sort of face into another dimension and get into the MEST universe by accident? What have you got there? Curiosity?

LRH: Did you hit a baby over the head with a mace? (audience laughter)

PC: Mm-hm.

Did you?

LRH: Curiosity.

PC: Could have.

PC: Yeah, you can run it from a distance or manipulate it, or you can get into it and see what it feels like.

Male voice: I doubt it.

LRH: Mm-hm. But once you get into it, what's wrong with it?

PC: Yeah, I don't think so.

PC: Feeling you have to go all the way through it in order to get back out.

LRH: YOU better not know, had you?

LRH: Go along a treadmill, so to speak. Is there another way out of it?

PC: No. Now that doesn't ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. This looks awfully between-lives to me all of a sudden.

LRH: What is it?

That center got a body between lives?

PC: Well, I think of the Zen Buddhist story of how you get a goose out Of a bottle.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you get a goose out of a bottle?

LRH: Is it alive?

PC: Snap your fingers and say, "There, it's out."

PC: No.

LRH: Okay. We're batting on a thousand there.

LRH: Does it know?

All right. Now, about your adventures in the MEST universe, what's the first thing that happened to you after you got into the MEST universe that was serious7

PC: Can't know.

PC: Hypnosis and Fac One.

LRH: Can't know. How about the right side? Does it have a body between lives? How about the left side, does it have a body between lives?

LRH: Some kind of hypnosis?

Ahh, the left side, huh? Left side.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Left side.

LRH: Some kind of a Fac One? Were you trapped in some way? (pause) Tell me this, did somebody install emotions in you?

LRH: What is the viewpoint from that body? Take a look; step into the body and look. (pause)

PC: I don't like that, whatever it is. (audience laughter)

PC: I have a hall of cylinders.

LRH: Does that come later than the incident I'm talking about?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yes.

PC: Seemingly, plastic cylinders.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, about how many million years ago would you suppose that you got emotions installed in you? What did you think of?

LRH: Plastic cylinders, it sees some cylinders?

PC: Fourteen thousand.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Emotions installed in you fourteen thousand years ago?

LRH: Is it standing or sitting or lying? What is it?

PC: Seems what I got.

PC: More or less suspended.

LRH: Okay. Was it fourteen thousand? Or fourteen thousand years after you entered the MEST universe? Which?

LRH: Suspended.

PC: That seems better.

PC: Mm-hm, upright.

LRH: Mm-hm. It was in the MEST universe?

LRH: Suspended upright?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get another go at its time. I know it's hard to estimate time, but it - would it be halfway between here and the entrance into the MEST universe? Midpoint on the track between here and the past? What did you think of? You thought of it somewhere there.

LRH: In a cylinder7

PC: I thought that seemed to be about right.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Middle point.

LRH: Mm-hm. Are you inside the body looking, or are you outside looking at the cylinder7

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, I'm in a body looking at others.

LRH: Yeah, that's more or less. Now, is it earlier than the middle point or later than the middle point? Earlier, little earlier? Little later? Who cares. What's a few billion years. Okay. Would you say that was about five billion years ago?

LRH: Are you in your own body?

PC: Hm ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Six?

LRH: You in your own body?

PC: Seems better.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Between five and six?

LRH: Looking at others. That body alive?

PC: Okay. (sigh)

PC: More or less suspended animation.

LRH: Five and six billion. just at a guess, these figures, you understand, are relatively - your order of magnitude is all you want so that you get your proper sequences of time. And this is installed emotions, huh? What emotions were installed?

LRH: See that still needle reaction? Well, that's exactly what that says, and exactly what that means: suspended operation. Go on, kick him to life. Go ahead, move. Move some more. Move enough to knock the cylinder down.

PC: (laugh)

PC: Hm.

LRH: NOW, that's a honey. just don't concentrate on it for a minute, Maurie, and let me try and tell the folks what this one is - this is trick. In various ways, one of its guises could be "Well, you win a prize. A person who knows wins a prize."

LRH: What happens?

And don't let me color the one you were going to run, because this thing is quite variable.

PC: cylinder broke.

[to audience] Well, the MEST people, more or less, they want to put out this big prize. And so they give you a prize for knowing. Well, up to that point, you really know - you know pretty well. And then one of its versions is to throw a dome over the person, over the theta person-bam! - hold him completely motionless with fields so that he has an utter timelessness, so that he's suddenly and momentarily a zero, and then just throw him down a chute which passes him across fields - magnetic fields - one right after the other, which install wavelengths which are very close to one-over-infinity, with - which approximate our Tone Scale from 2.0 down.

LRH: Okay. Now what happens? (pause) We'll give it a couple of minutes.

[to pc] What's the matter?

(pause) What happens now?

PC: Apparently the story of my life - I don't know.

PC: Body died.

LRH: Is this approximately the incident we're trying to run here, something like it?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Seems to be.

PC: Body died.

LRH: Well, there's something that is missing on it someplace; your incident varied in some way. Tell me, is fear in a tub at the bottom?

LRH: Yeah. Feel bad?

PC: I get a yes on that.

PC: A little bit.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, there is some vague similarity with what I was saying. There is an installed sequence of emotions, then, isn't there?

LRH: Does it feel bad?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: It, the body?

LRH: What are you thinking about?

LRH: No, the theta body of it.

PC: I don't like it.

PC: Hm-trifle; it was sort of attached to it.

LRH: Who installed it? A lower order of people, or something? (pause)

LRH: Mm-hm. Was it told that the body would be cared for?

PC: I get the impression they were big.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Big people, huh?

LRH: How long had that body been there?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Thirty-five thousand, approximately.

LRH: Okay. Is that where you got emotions from 2.0 down? (pause) Tell me, by the way, just out of curiosity - was all the pleasure you had formerly taken in aesthetics suddenly channeled into the second dynamic?

LRH: About thirty-five thousand years. That's right. All right. Were you handled and controlled through that body?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: You just realize it?

PC: Also said that wasn't any good.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Also said that wasn't any good; yeah, that's right. That's right.

LRH: Is it a good thing the body is there? Was it a good thing the body was there?

[to audience] All right. This incident has a slang term which - we call it the "installer" and it's a great little gimmick. Actually, any of these emotions have a very precise wavelength, which is why one suspected immediately that there's something rotten in Denmark. I mean, why would everybody do this and do that exactly at the same wavelengths? Silly.

PC: No. Good thing it's in the condition it is now.

[to pc] Well, now, let's take your earlier life. Okay? How about your earlier life. Was there anything unhappy occurred in your earlier life in the MEST universe? (pause) Do you pick up anything very unhappy there? (pause) Are you still haunted by this emotional installer?

LRH: Good. What do you know? You have a little doubt on that yet? Did that side keep going back to the body all the time?

PC: No.

PC: No. Well, conflict there.

LRH: No? Okay. (pause) What did you think of?

LRH: Conflict.

PC: Some kind of confusions which was unpleasant.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Some confusions, unpleasant?

LRH: Are we talking to some other theta body now? There is another between-lives body here.

PC: Confusion.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah? Would it be the confusion of everything hitting you at once?

LRH: Which is the next between-lives body?

What did you think of?

PC: Right outboard or something ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Right outboard. Mm-hm. Right outboard. All right, this right-outboard body, where is it? Take a took at it.

LRH: What was it? Yeow! There's a sticker in it. Holder in it, huh? Is it the holder of rays or waves or something?

All right, what's it look like?

PC: (pause) Waves, I guess, would be ...

PC: It seems like a blank cover.

LRH: Were they leveled at you intentionally to accomplish something or... What have we got here, the Emanator?

LRH: Blank?

PC: Hm.....

PC: Light coming in from the right.

LRH: No? It's an emanator of some sort.

LRH: Light coming in from the right. What is the light coming from, a window?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Apparently. It seems like another tank, only this one's horizontal.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the incident, the installer?

LRH: This one's a horizontal tank?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is there a bad holder in it someplace?

LRH: Well, is there a window there or a port that you look through or something?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Right side is - of the tank apparently plastic. It's transparent.

LRH: There it is. What is it?

LRH: What comes in through there? Anything? Light coming ...

PC: I'm getting a visio of a black triangle.

PC: Light.

LRH: Oh. Somebody command you into a black triangle?

LRH: Anything else?

PC: It obscures a - either a circle or disk behind it.

PC: Vibration.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the installer? Later.

LRH: Are you inside the body?

PC: Seems - I don't know; I feel that it's earlier.

PC: I wasn't.

LRH: It's earlier.

LRH: Let's slide in. How's it feel?

PC: Around ...

PC: Moist, I think.

LRH: Billion years earlier? Billion years earlier? What's this, the black triangle? What's the incident?

LRH: Moist?

PC: Oh. Yeah, it's - the symbol is the same as the four-dimensional symbol that I had before.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's the vibration like? Can you feel it?

PC: Only this is a - cramming it in three dimensions ...

PC: Mm-hm, slightly.

LRH: Oh.

LRH: Mm-hm. What would happen if this body moved?

PC: ... obscuring the fourth.

PC: Vibration would go off ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Say, by the way, are we getting the shift of you from the theta universe into the MEST universe? Is this it? Is this the shift?

LRH: Go ahead and move. Find out.

PC: Seems to be ...

PC: Some clamps on it.

LRH: One of the shifts? By the way, did you ever get out of the MEST universe and then back into the theta universe, and then out of the theta universe back into the MEST universe? Ho, ho, ho!

LRH: Some clamps on it?

PC: Yeah. I'm shaking all over.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Ho, ho, ho! Well, that's the first one of those I've picked up. What happened when you went into the theta universe?

LRH: Well ...

PC: I don't know, but I have a feeling it wasn't very pleasant.

PC: Not exactly clamped down, but held.

LRH: Wasn't pleasant in the theta universe. Hooray! What was the matter with it? (pause) (Nice drop in it.)

LRH: It's held down.

PC: It's upside down.

PC: Little bit.

LRH: Is it all upside down?

LRH: Well, can it struggle against them?

PC: How do you mean?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Had the MEST universe turned it upside down? Had something happened to the theta universe? (pause) What are you thinking of there?

LRH: Go ahead, make a little struggle. (pause) What happens when you struggle?

PC: Yeah, but I don't know quite what. Two things were somehow joined together.

PC: Vibration gets stronger at first.

LRH: Two things joined together.

LRH: Mm-hm. Struggle again. (pause) What's happening?

PC: Intermingled.

PC: Trying to move.

LRH: Mm-hm. The theta and MEST universe was kind of intermingled.

LRH: Good. Try to move it some more.

Well, by the way, by running this incident, would this all straighten out?

PC: I got the right foot free.

PC: I'm running it now.

LRH: Got the right foot free. Go ahead, move it some more.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, you're running it now.

PC: (pause) Fluid seems to be going down.

PC: I'm doing something. I'm shaking all over and getting weird flutterings; I've never had anything quite like this before.

LRH: Mm-hm. Move it some more. (pause) Make the grade? Can it get up?

LRH: Is this your central being running this?

Can't get up?

PC: Yeah. I have two of them running.

PC: Doesn't seem to be able to, no.

LRH: Both of them running.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Both a central and ...

PC: Vibrations stop and the fluids drip out.

LRH: And an entity.

LRH: Mm-hm. Now what's happening?

PC: ... seems to be located in the back of my head. Seem to be ...

PC: Body is rather - decomposing rather rapidly.

& LRH: Well, is that the original duo? We're running it? Is this another entity running itself? I'm sorry I don't mean to invalidate your running it. The machine does that once in a while, you have to be careful of this.

LRH: Hm, is it?

LRH: How about the two beings' regard for this incident?

PC: Seems dead.

PC: They don't seem to be quite as concerned about it as the rest of me does, for some reason.

LRH: Much of a quiver to dying? Glad to die?

LRH: Oh. Well, tell me, did this add more to you? This incident add more to you in some way or something? No? All right. Which being is it that's concentrated on it? Which being?

PC: In a way.

PC: Just the one in the back of my head, which I believe would be the second one.

LRH: In a way.

LRH: The second one. Is there an entity in the back of your head as well as the second being? Is there an entity that influences the back of your head?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: I would say yes.

LRH: Not much emotion about it?

LRH: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We're getting a halt on this. Yes, sir. What have we got now? Hey, you got a new entity that doesn't belong there. Great stuff. Was he there all the time? Was he there when this happened?

PC: Hm. No, it's apathetic.

PC: No.

LRH: Apathetic?

LRH: He wasn't there when this happened. Well, why is he concerned about it?

PC: Mm-hm.

[to audience] Just about to flip and throw one of these entities.

LRH: Is this theta-body line apathetic?

[to pcl Now, why is he so concerned about it? Because he can concern you with it?

PC: Great degree.

PC: Mm-hm. Uses this for control.

LRH: Mm-hm. What it says here. All right, bring it back. Now ...

LRH: Well, uses it for control.

PC: Okay.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... what's the sensation in that side?

LRH: What happens to your shakes?

PC: There was a tenseness or - all along the side of the hip.

PC: They diminish.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is the tenseness still there?

LRH: Locate him a little more thoroughly and differentiate between him and the back being. Has he been pretending to be the back being?

PC: Slight degree.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Tell it to come up to present time. It stuck someplace else than in this death?

LRH: Oh, isn't he a cute little trick. How are the shakes now?

PC: No.

PC: Gone.

LRH: Or is this a heck of an imposition, to knock it off and then have it come back here and tell it to be cheerful? Feel sad about that body being gone?

LRH: They gone?

PC: It wouldn't help much.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Nope. Tell me something. Did they tell you originally that they'd really take good care of this body?

LRH: Feel more relaxed? Now let's differentiate a little bit better between the real back being and this entity. (pause)

PC: Oh, yeah.

Did you ever agree to have this entity?

LRH: Has this side been reporting back there between lives?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You did, huh? Did it just move in on you by compulsion?

LRH: Boy, this is that awful still needle, that you get on something like that. It - just been doing this for a long time, hasn't it?

PC: Yeah, it was compulsion, but I agreed to it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You a agreed under duress?

LRH: Would you consider this a rut?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Rather deep.

LRH: Mm-hm, but not very much. Well, what did you think of? This upset it?

LRH: Rather deep rut. Do you have to go through this rut anymore? Ask it if it has to go through this rut now.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Upsets it some way, huh? Is it stuck on the track anyplace?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah? Is it stuck on the track in something when it was being you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it also stuck on the track in something before it joined you? (pause) Boy, it really decided to curl up. What's the state of that being? Did it blow?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: It blew. Well, the back being very glad it's gone? Who's glad it's gone? Which one?

PC: Center and the back both, solar plexus doesn't like this.

LRH: Doesn't like to have it gone.

PC: That's right.

LRH: Because that means it goes now.

PC: Yeah, it feels very small suddenly.

LRH: Yeah. Why? Was it the one that was holding the solar plexus together? Was the solar plexus being-entity operating only because of this back-of-the-head being? Did they have a pact between them?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were they in communication?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: By golly, that solar plexus being doesn't want to answer, does it? Is it gone? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: How does it feel? How's your solar plexus?

PC: Feels pretty relaxed.

LRH: Feels pretty relaxed. You afraid it won't stay that way? Is it gone or just playing dead? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: (pause) Can't find it.

LRH: Can't find it. How's your stomach feel?

PC: Fine.

LRH: Back of your head feel?

PC: It's tingling, burning and all kinds of things.

LRH: Back of your head tingling and burning?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why? Is this - this entity just move out to the outside, did it?

PC: Sure.

LRH: Is it still trying to hang on or are you - is your rear ...

PC: I'm holding it.

LRH: ... theta being holding it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, why is it holding it? (pause) Attached to it? What do you get on it?

PC: He uses it for control.

LRH: Uses it for control. Can't he ...

PC: Can be used in turn ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can't he control directly? Tell me, is there a second back-of-the-head being?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A second back-of-the-head entity as distinguished from a being? Is there another one in there - the two operating together?

Don't seem to see so, huh? What did you ...

PC: Oh, it's on the right side of the back.

LRH: Oh, right side of the back of the head. When did you agree to have that one? Did you?

PC: I don't feel any agreement about this one.

LRH: Well, did it come in at a moment of unconsciousness or something?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hypnotism? Unconsciousness? What are we running here, a joiner of some sort? An incident where they were all joined together? A little bit.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Not particularly. Well, this thing hasn't got any business there at all, has it? What did you think of?

PC: I was trying to think of how I picked it up.

LRH: You've just thought of it. What is it?

PC: I wasn't listening to you. (audience laughter)

LRH: Okay. You know how you picked it up. How long ago did you pick it up? (pause) (These aren't entities, by the way, these are idle beings.)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. What did you think of that time? You got it. What is it?

PC: Well, I just - I saw it, I guess.

LRH: And what happened? It blew?

PC: No, that's how I picked it up and ...

LRH: Oh, you just saw it.

PC: ... sympathy or something; I haven't quite got it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're getting it, though. (pause) Well, let's get it a little more solidly there and you can get it. You can recall it. What was the emotion? Which entity picked it up? Was it the theta beings that picked it up?

PC: No.

LRH: No. Was it another stomach entity that picked him up?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Aided and assisted by a couple of the side entities? Which one did you think of?

PC: It's higher in the solar plexus.

LRH: Oh, you got another one in the stomach, there?

PC: Above.

LRH: It picked him up. Okay. You got it. All right. Is it the one that's been holding on to it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. How about blowing that one that's a little higher in the solar plexus now?

(These blow awful easy. These idle ones.)

PC: This one doesn't amount to much.

LRH: Hm?

PC: I don't think this one amounts to much.

LRH: Didn't amount to much. Is it blowing?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: So it is. Is it gone?

PC: Hm. (pause) Yeah.

LRH: Registering here that it is. Okay. just wanted you to decide.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. NOW, how about this black triangle incident now? (pause) Well, what do you know?

PC: Didn't go through it. [or might be "We just blew it." - Ed.]

LRH: Okay.

Oh, I happen to know a couple of incidents here. Let me ask you if you've been through these. You ever build roads?

PC: Hm. Didn't like it.

LRH: Nope. How soon after you entered the physical universe, the MEST universe, did you start building roads?

PC: Pardon me, I'm stuck in this.

LRH: How soon afterwards did you start building roads?

PC: I have a feeling it's ... That's what you were started out with.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did something pull you into this universe so you'd build roads?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You got it. What is it? What have you got?

PC: Horns. Horns? I don't know. Vibrations?

LRH: Vibrations? Horns? Beating with clubs? Beating of clubs? Drive you out of it? Drive you into it? Noise?

PC: Yeah. That seems to be the idea.

LRH: Noise. Confusion and noise.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah.

LRH: What do they use, confusion and noise to harass a theta being into being - doing something?

PC: There's a lot of confusion on it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Lot of confusion.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And then did you start building roads?

PC: Mm ... (pause)

LRH: Did you get a drop on that? Building roads?

PC: Yeah. I think so, anyway.

LRH: You see that still needle?

Did you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime in body after body after body on these roads, or anything like that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Or was it roads? Was it the city itself ? Was it masonry, bridges? What? You've got it. What was it?

PC: Well, that sounded better than roads, and then electronics came to mind.

LRH: Oh, they got you in there building electronics, or were they building electronics? Were you building electronic things?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: You were. They put you to work in electronics. Were you designing? Manufacturing? You were manufacturing electronics. Okay. Were there rays?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did they affect you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Badly?

PC: Hm, they had all kinds.

LRH: Mm-hm. How many lives did you spend doing this? One? More than one? I mean body lives now ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... MEST body lives.

PC: Hm, forty, fifty, something like that.

LRH: Forty or fifty MEST body lives? Forty or fifty thousand MEST body lives? That's closer to it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hundred thousand MEST body lives? What did you think of?

PC: I thought it was a long time.

LRH: Long time. Oh, you're getting a feeling of monotony on this, or something.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Getting the feeling like this was a long time? By the way, was there any way they kept you coming into bodies or anything, to do this?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you got it. How'd they do it?

PC: Kind of a keyed ...

LRH: You've got it.

PC: ... I've got it, but I don't know how to describe it. Keyed oscillator or frequency and ...

LRH: Some kind of a crystal.

PC: ... crystals - some kind of an arrangement that was keyed to me and I'd keep coming back.

LRH: Then you'd keep coming back.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they key it on?

PC: Me.

LRH: On your theta body? On a part of your theta body? On your MEST body?

PC: Yeah. MEST Body.

LRH: On a part of your MEST body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they do, hold a piece of your MEST body? Every time you're dead, they had a piece of your MEST body, something like that?

PC: It was done various ways. If you had a MEST body, you kept it in nutrient baths and crystal patterns. Quite sure they were used.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay.

PC: Crystals in which a pattern or frequency or whatever they did with it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... was set up, which contained the identical pattern or field or frequency, whatever it was, of ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... the body. And you could repeat.

LRH: Did you ever have to be trained more than once in your job?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were you trained each life in your job?

PC: Mmm, seems doubtful.

LRH: just maybe trained a few times. Few times? Dozen times? Several dozen times? Did you have four or five jobs in all this time?

PC: Mm-hm. About that. I get twelve.

LRH: About twelve jobs? Well, after you learned how to do a job and you came back into a MEST body again, would you know how to do it again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Would you keep on doing it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh. Would you die then and go into another MEST body and then be back on the same job again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do you like this? Interesting work?

PC: I didn't like it, but they said I did.

LRH: Oh, ha-ha ha-ha. Said you were enthusiastic about it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this what you would call the first sequences of what we know as hypnosis or duress by rays or something of this sort?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm? What would that be? Would that be it?

PC: (pause) Yeah.

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Wondering how long they'd been there before that.

LRH: Oh. (laugh) What eventually happened to this place?

PC: Hmm. Deserted - impression I get.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the name of this place? You got it. What is it?

PC: Something beginning with an A.

LRH: Arsclycus. Okay. Isn't that right?

PC: I don't know. (pause)

LRH: All right. Is this the first cycle, then, of being held to a cycle of lives?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Held to a cycle of lives. Are there others?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many others? You got it. How many?

PC: Ten.

LRH: About ten cycles like this, huh? I mean ten of these things where you repeat lives - bing, bing, bing, bing. Under other circumstances than in Arsclycus?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the last one?

PC: Right now.

LRH: Right now. Okay. Where are the monitors now? (pause) You hit it.

What is it?

PC: I'm hitting it, but I don't know what it means yet.

LRH: Are they MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Are they still there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Just take a rapid summary: How many of your bodies have they got? How many bodies they got to match you? One? Six? What did you get?

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: You got the figure. What was the figure you got?

PC: Seven.

LRH: About seven.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: -Okay. Was that the one you thought of a moment ago?

PC: I didn't get one a moment ago. It went on past me.

LRH: Hey, now wait a minute. Is there an entity blocking out this stuff?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Which one is this one?

PC: Has to do with my eyes.

LRH: Yeah. Is there an entity hanging around your eyes?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that native to you?

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Oh, is it talking?

PC: That stopped it.

LRH: Who's holding that one?

PC: (pause) I don't know.

LRH: Mm-hm. You know. Would you call that ...

PC: Center seems to be holding it, if anything is.

LRH: Center's holding it. Yeah, evidently. Why? Is the center guilty of an overt act against it? The center thinks it needs it?

PC: Mm-hm. Can't see without it.

LRH: Oh? Can't see without it. Who says so?

PC: Mm-hm. This is what I was thinking about.

LRH: Yeah. Is that an occlusion entity?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now we know where the occlusion entity is. (pause)

Okay. There are ten of these periods, then.

Now, let's get on another subject there for a moment. Are there specific times when several theta beings or bodies have been pulled together and joined to you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many of these have happened?

PC: I get three or four.

LRH: Three or four.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You get three and four; in other words, some of them have three and some of them have four. Well, that would be natural, you see, because the two center ones weren't.

Okay. There are three of these periods where you were joined up, then, after. So there's three and four. Okay. We won't bother to trace these right now. Three and four joiners. Now, that's fine.

That's fine.

You've got that eye one clicked in. Key him out now.

PC: Yes. I'm still working on it.

LRH: Is he blowing?

PC: Yeah. He's blowing.

LRH: Thank you. Show people your eyes.

PC: What's the matter with them?

LRH: Sit up and show people your eyes.

PC: Have I still got them?

Female voice: They're still there.

LRH: You can blow him, very easily. Thank you very much, Maurie.

PC: Same to you, Ron.

Now, want to demonstrate this track. This track is very close to constant. It varies in various degrees. There are periods in here when an individual has been one, an entity, or other, may have been space, operating in space; there are periods in here when a person has been this, has been that. And it's very fascinating to find out that what we will quite commonly consider future material is very often past material.

We have gone through a great cycle here on track: a cycle of electronics, thought, electronics, thought. For instance, now and then through history we have tried to regain our periods of being theta beings and controlling things thetawise. You see theta rising up every time you see a highly aesthetic society come into being. And then you see it deteriorate from that high aesthetic down into a MEST society, and it starts going to pieces at this time. And you see the Tone Scale repeated over and over, but this Tone Scale and this cycle is between thought/aesthetics and electronics/MEST force; those two categories. Thought, aesthetics - and thought and aesthetics, they contain such things as spiritualism, mysticism, magic, these various things. And NEST force and so forth, contains such things as standard religions of the past, guillotines, so on.

1 put that in there not for a joke, but because whenever a religion - you see, a religion is different than a religious philosophy, very different - a religion is that thing which is given as a package to a people about which they are not supposed to reason, and under thought and duress is used to control that people onerously. And you find many of these religions are completely bare of aesthetics. And then when they come up to higher levels of action, they actually get up toward theta for a while, and then they will slide back into a MEST religion wholly. They very seldom rise up. That is why an individual is almost never a mystic and a religious person at the same time. We need differentiation in those categories in order to understand that anything used as a control mechanism is the MEST universe: electronics and force. That means control. The MEST universe is terrifically interested in control. The theta universe is interested in freedom. It's interested in aesthetics; it's interested in creativeness. Your MEST universe is chaos.

The theta universe is very orderly. It has extra dimensions. And what you miss in the MEST universe is an ability merely to throw out your hand and have some aesthetic creation come into being. That's theta universe. In the MEST universe you build and build and build and you make this great set very fancy, with great ardure, in a battle of gravity and conquering forces and so on. And at long last you have this enormous, beautiful structure and then somebody comes in - you have a tea table there - and if they're NEST universe people, they come over and they pick up the teacup and find a tiny crack in it and say, "It's cracked."

Well, that's the difference. So what you miss - what your theta beingness misses, is that aesthetic ability to create - to create at will. The universe is murder when it comes to creation. And any of you who started out in life with any slightest inkling or leaning toward the arts - and you'll find this in most children even in kindergarten - you found out that the MEST universe continually crushed the things of beauty that you had, until older people would stand there and accept nothing beautiful from you. You come in with a pretty stone that you have found and you say, 'Look at the colors in this stone,' and they say, 'Wash your hands for dinner.'

MEST universe rejects beauty. It's cruel, terrible and harsh. And that is, actually, the central conflict of man: his theta beingness at war with his MEST beingness.

Now, it is quite remarkable that anything this society will develop in the field of electronics is - to speak very colloquially - old hat. You can take almost any man present, put him on the machine and get his memory realty operating, and open up a well of electronics he never suspected he knew anything about.

The cycle of lives is itself used as a control factor. One of these ten cycles here, any one of them, was primarily interested in controlling the individual so as to make him apply force in a body toward some work being accomplished. Now, those cycles in control gradually got to a point where they found out a new method of control. They say, "Well, you only live one life, and you forget every other life that you ever lived.' And as a result, you have to survive.

And so we get a new Tone Scale; you get a brand-new Tone Scale. This Tone Scale looks like this: up here-and we could have a parity on this, and I wilt draw this as a parity-here is ... [marking on blackboard] The word to describe this best is belongs, because you're part of theta, part of theta. That would be your first universe. Out of that, you get a creation. But this point, "belongs," is left, the moment one individuates.

The next point down here has to do with this universe. One really decides "to be." And in deciding to be, becomes part of the theta universe; but these are many, these theta universes, evidently, and what you would call it, really, would be "home universe."

All right. Home universe is a theta universe. But you see, there could be many theta universes, because theta can create almost at will. So, we have "to be." And that is, by the way, about 40-0.

Now here, when we entered the MEST universe, we got "survive." Right there. At that point of entrance, one was told he had to survive. But this was survive as a consecutive body line or survive because of a purpose. And we get way, way down here close in to present time, some- thing of the sort, and we got survive - this is the lowest order of being - survive as a present time body for the sake of the body.

Now, there are your states of being on a Tone Scale. There at the top, you belong, individuate and decide to be. Then, as you come into the MEST universe, you decide to survive over a long period of line toward certain things or cause certain survivals. And then away down here you get survival as a present time body just for the sake of that body. Now, that's really decayed.

Now, in order to regain this level, your Tone Scale goes right straight on up. And where you're interested, you're interested in taking your pc out here; right there at "survive," the first "survive": entrance into the MEST universe. Because if you do that, he can still operate in the MEST universe, he can stilt operate in a body, and so on. But if he ever gets there, you're not going to be in a position where you're going to be able to tell him where he should stop. There's a great possibility that he'll hit here or he'll go right back there. Or there's a great possibility that he may go out and create a new universe. The entity which we ust hit here was operating on a fear of "Don't go back to that universe." That is not a native ambition; I think you recognize that. Yeah.

All right. There then is a picture of the track, and also a picture of the Tone Scale. Your standard track map more or less fills in, in incidents of - more or less of the character I've just written in here. Maurie is very accurate on this; he's very straight. And your first is your individuation. Sometimes there's an individuation of one and then an individuation of another one and its unition: they unite with different goals to do something, and the next thing you know, they decide to be and they go into home universe, a creative thing, and they're all very fine. And one day out of curiosity, adventurousness or something of the sort - or by getting sort of pulled out of it - they all of a sudden wind up in the MEST universe.

And we all seem to have more or less entered the MEST universe, thetawise, through the same hole. But then there's a distinct possibility that there are MEST universe people who are older than this level or formed differently than this. That distinct possibility faces you.

So, what do we have here? Got this MEST universe. Generally, there was a society here shortly after entrance which really formed a static, because the fellow did the same thing time after time after time after time after time. He was born, grew rapidly and was trained. All right, he was trained. Now, the next thing he did after he was trained was go to work. And what was the work? You got some kind of an idea? Manufacturing electronics would be the same motions practically. You get out of some preclears that they'd even stuff them with food so they wouldn't have to feed them every two weeks. If they sassed a guard or something like that, they had a part of them or had a field that matched them back in the guardhouse, and all you had to do was turn a switch and this fellow was in bad shape right away. At a vast distance, he was in bad shape. How do you like this electronically? Boy, could you sell this to the federal government!

Anyway, the name of this universe is Arsclycus. Now, there are some joiners in here on this track, and then there's this installed-emotions incident. There are these various periods of reliving lives over and over. And then there's some more odds and ends of incident, like added entities, subtracted entities. Someplace or other on the track, a person has agreed to do almost anything. And here is this last cycle, and I want to show you - while we're on this and so on - about the last cycle.

Well, what about taking a break first? Would you like to? And let me tell you about this last cycle? And then we're all through.