The exploration of the theta lines has been underway for a very long time. It has been underway, certainly, thousands of years and, with myself, has been underway now, oh, better than fifteen years intensively.

This machine, the electropsychometer, has been acting as a pilot since about the first of January 1952. Very early I wanted a pilot; I had to have some method of metering prectears which was not dependent at all upon opinion or judgment. And I went out and looked at the existing lie detector equipment and I could not find anything which would do a job of work.

Now, Volney Mathison out on the Coast heard a talk out there one day, and I mentioned this fact. RCA had told me, Bell Labs had told me, numerous engineers had told me, that by the time you took a current and built it up stage by stage through battery set and battery set and battery set, you'd have to put somebody in a wire cage (a lot of people ought to be there in the opinion of engineers, anyway), and you put somebody in a wire cage of copper screening so as to cut down the interference, and one of them suggested that you hooked the needles into his brain tissue (I looked at him quickly to see if he was joking - he wasn't), and this way you possibly might be able to get a read - which would still have variation and fluctuation ad infinitum.

& Voice from Audience: How you going to know? There's a lot of ...

I had one of the fanciest electroencephalographs made and it didn't do anything very much, police detectors didn't do anything very much, and Mathison went to work and he floated a current within a current.

& Well, that's true, that's true.

This machine is relatively simple, but it's a current floating inside another current, and actually gets from a tenth of a millionth to a fiftieth of a millionth amperes, something like that, per current. I haven't the technical data on this machine at my fingertips.

& Voice from Audience: Yeah. Well, I ... [unintelligible] now. I realize that it's all ... [unintelligible]

But what it actually does is throw a current of electricity through meter worksthe body and this will hit the various centers which connect up with the memory, and so on. And what happens is a facsimile moves in or out as the memory or the beingness of the person is restimulated, and so this little tiny trickle of electricity is shut off or let go. And so you get your difference of responses on this machine. And it's very simple in its operation, but it is considerably different. And I am, by the way, very much indebted to Mathison just on this basis of all of a sudden having a pilot.

I'd like to talk to you now about the track map. There will be an issue of this map, many issues of this map, which will be printed and given to students of the Summary Course.

Well, as soon as this pilot was available I tried to work with it; but during a present lifetime, even then its responses, if you just take one lifetime, are not very terribly marked. Grandfather's death will fall a couple of degrees - couple of divisions. Don't get me wrong: you can find out a great many things about this lifetime, such as you can find out whether or not somebody is loyal or disloyal, or something of the sort. It is very valuable for this lifetime, but I'm talking about auditing now.

There should be one of these maps for each preclear because all this map contains is the standard incidents on the track with side notations for each incident which can be filled in for any one preclear. And it has an accompanying chart which is an entity chart so that you can keep track of your preclear.

Well, when you look over the last trillion years, the incidents you're looking for are incidents which drop this machine a dial, a half a dial, five dials, ten dials - in other words, this machine really acts up. And the incidents which we are trying to audit and the reactions which we are trying to get and find, locate and pin down are traceable very easily on this instrument.

Now, this track map has notations on it to follow an electropsychometer so that it shows what you're doing and what you're getting charge on and so on. Now, you saw we had one preclear tonight who was a bit stuck on one incident. That incident was an explosion, an overt act and a jam of one sort or other, and that was very sticky, so we weren't getting the rest of the track.

I know I can be accused of putting in plugs for this electropsychometer but actually they're not plugs. It isn't possible to look back through the past as an uncleared individual without this machine.

Now, it's very interesting that somebody who has always considered hilself very stuck and so forth on the track - Maurie gets the whole track without any difficulty, you see? In other words, his theta being is actually operate pretty efficiently in spite of occlusions and all the rest of this stuff.

You get somebody up into a state of Theta Clear, why, he can take a look and read somebody else's mind very, very readily and very rapidly - probably much more accurately than this machine can.

Now, this track map is used, then, in this fashion: that you make notations for each type of incident when you discover it on an E-Meter. And then you have a notation on it whether or not you audited it out, or how nearly you audited it out, and what you audited it out of. See, that's quite important. It's important to keep, at this time, a check on your preclear. A careful auditor in the past - considering his preclear as just one entity, one being - had no great difficulty in keeping track (we knew that we'd run out the basic part of the bank, or something of the sort), but this is a different situation. The situation is far more advanced and its goal is much higher than any we have ever tried to attain. And you'd better keep track of what the track is like: how many entities are still there,how many of the joiners you've gotten out, and keep it straight so that you know what's been audited and what hasn't.

But how do we get anybody up to the state of Theta Clear? Well, we've got a pilot. Now, this pilot went in ahead of the research line and so the auditing procedures which have been developed have been developed right along the same line as the research line. They follow as a parallel line. What we have, actually, is a series of incidents and reactions which are easily traceable on a psychometer. And the psychometer also lends reality to the preclear and, additionally, lends a great deal of certainty to the auditor. Because the auditor can be auditing any one of at least seven entities. And this is where the psychometer comes in very handy. He starts auditing one entity and the machine is operating.

Now, part of this - and a separate section of the track map - has to do with the between-lives sequence, modern. Modern: the last 35,000 years. Some of us walked in rather curiously, I'm sure, and volunteered or something of the sort, and were held in pawn, and some sort of a sequence began to take place. This was in the effort to civilize and fix up earth; somebody else's effort, not yours.

Now, he audits the preclear with the electrodes in the preclear's hands. And it doesn't matter too much under this type we are doing now whether the preclear looks at this needle or not. You hit the incidents that are the incidents and that needle will fly; he can't stop it.

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And so he watches the needle as he's auditing along, and so on, and he knows whether or not his prectear is doing anything. And your preclear, for instance, may go into a boil-off. Is he in a boil-off or is he asleep? Now that's a question. Now, you've sat alongside of a preclear sometimes for hours while he was (quote) 'boiling off' Only he wasn't! He was asleep.

.. we were working on this a little bit the other evening. By the way, when operating this machine, you should have your controls fairly well back when it's first turned on and so on. You put the cans in the preclear's hands and then turn on your machine - to keep the needle from hitting the pin too badly. I think new machines will probably have cartridges in them that will blow a fuse, and so you'd have the difficulty of blowing a fuse, which will train you rather quickly. MEST force. And that's of course, ...

What's the difference between a boil-off and asleep? He keeps moving through the incident in a boil-off, and you get characteristic needle fluctuations that shows that he's hitting holders and bouncers and everything; he's going through this incident and the needle fluctuates up and surges down and goes back and forth, and maybe it does it more slowly when he's so dopey. But all of a sudden you start to get a little gradual tone rise; then the machine quiets down. And you go down to the foot of the bed and give him a good sound kick on the soles of his feet. The machine will do a jump, and you come back and sit down in the chair and say, "All right. Now let's start in at the beginning of it again." "Rrr-rurr-rw-ruff"

LRH: What's the matter?

"All right, let's pick it up now at the beginning, and go all through it again." And you watch that needle and the needle will flick and move, and it'll show you he's moving on the track, and he's goin through the incident and everything is fine, and then all of a sudden it'll bog again. Shake him out of it.

What did you think of?

In such a wise, you can get auditing done. But about 80 percent of your boil-off, so-called, is actually sleep. And the sleep doesn't do anybody any good, but the boil-off with the incident in motion definitely does. So that's the first thing this machine does for you, is save all the time you've been sitting alongside of the preclear watching a (quote) boil-off (unquote).

PC: MEST force, or something like that.

Now, tie next thing that it does is tells you if you've slipped off an entity and into another entity - if you slipped off one theta line and into the other theta line. That's the next thing it tells you. The reason this another in auditing happens is very simple. You're just getting fine needle reaction, you re getting surges down that shows you're hitting things and that you're really auditing, and this entity, this theta line that you're addressing, is just clearing up just dandy, and all of a sudden the machine said, 'Mmm.' The fellow says, "Well, and so-and-so and so-and-so.' "Well now, let's go through it again."

LRH: MEST force. Is MEST force bad?

"Oh, I am. So-and-so and so-and-so." Machine just sitting there - see, movin a little drifting - that's all.

PC: Yeah.

What happened was, is you slid off the entity that you were auditing and you went in over on another entity. His beingness became somebody else at that moment and when his beingness became somebody else, what you're trying to clear up on the case isn't clearing up. And in such a wise, you can audit an engram half out of a theta line, and then go over to another theta line and audit the engram half out of it. And then jump into a completely disrelated theta line and a completely disrelated incident and go auditing merrily on that, and what have you accomplished? You've accomplished a complete confusion on the part of two or three theta lines, and you haven't cleaned up any one of them. And so you will do this just so long and you'll get a perceptic shut-off on your preclear.

LRH: Not so good, is it?

This prevents it from happening. Why? You see how the entity is operating that you are auditing; you see how the machine is moving and how the entity is going through the incident, and you see that this incident is getting about a ten-point drop. He goes over certain points of it: it's a ten-point drop and it's an eight-point drop and it's a fifteen-point drop and it's a ten-point drop, and all of a sudden you're only getting a half-point drop and a half-point drop and a half-point drop. Well, he might have hit a sticker; he might have hit a holder in that entity, but the chances are he didn't.

PC: Nope.

So you say, "Well, let's roll through that again," and then if you keep getting your drops characteristic, you're still on that entity. But supposing you just all of a sudden just suddenly start to get a little surge up, and it sort of idles around and so forth. Well, instead of auditing the right outboard theta line, you're suddenly auditing the left side. The machine characteristic will shift very markedly. Therefore the preclear can't lie to you, and he can't sit there and audit something else. And very often any preclear has an entity sufficiently neurotic to start lying to the auditor. He'll say, "Oh, yes, I'm running it. Yeah ha. Yeah, I'm going right through it. I'm just doing a fine job of it. Yes, yes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm." What he's actually doing is scanning out yesterday. He will lie there on the couch and scan out yesterday, and he'll scan out something else. And what he's doing is just - one of his theta lines is just holding you off and the other one is running through inconsequentials. And you can just spend hours and hours and hours doing this.

LRH: All right. Look, we want to know particularly about the between-lives sequence now.

The next thing it does for you, it tells you: "What kind of an incident am I auditing?" If you are auditing a facsimile, You're getting smooth sweeps, react on the meter smooth sweeps - back and forth, up and down. Drifts down, coasts, goes back again. That's a facsimile, that is a memory you are auditing; you're auditing the thought, emotion, and effort out of a memory.

PC: Okay.

If you're auditing a between-lives incident - and that's very important to audit - this machine hunts. It comes down ten points and goes flick-flick-flick-flick-flick - the needle does-and then goes up maybe three points, flick-flick-flick, and then down five, flickflick-flick-flick, and then way up, flick-flick-flick-flick, down, flick-flick-flick-flick. Hunt. Hunt. And if it's doing it on a small level of let us say about five points on this scale or a small arc on the scale, that hunt-hunt-hunt is doing it on a wider scale and is still hunting ferociously, it's a between-lives of an earlier period. And if it"s swinging about fifteen of these points of arc and clicking at the end, and going over and click over and click, and click-click in the middle and then click, and then it's click again, you're auditing before universe.

LRH: Okay.

So you can tell immediately what he's in and you can also tell what part of his body is in it, because you ask him, "Is this your right side? Is this your all-the-way-out right side? Is that what's running?" And the machine is absolutely still. No, it isn't.

LRH: And immediately we want the between-lives sequence, and looks like this preclear we have here ... And the manifestation of the needle is flicking from the theta-universe manifestation - which is a wide swing-to the between-lives manifestation. Now, there is a very, very nice theta-universe manifestation and he's got the theta-universe manifestation mixed up with the between-lives manifestation.

You say, "All right, which side is this? Is this the center that's doing this?"

PC: Thought I get is it isn't far to go.

Machine drops. "Yeah. All right, it's the center. Well, let's shift over to the right side and audit the rest of that engram out." And immediate your machine starts acting again.

LRH: Huh?

This is in the interests of cleaning up a case sometime between now and judgment Day. You understand that many entities will get the sudden idea that they are about to be handed their discharge papers and cut loose and sent hither to and forevermore. And they will suddenly start saying, "Hmm! Let's see, this is Dianetics, huh? Tsk! Well, let's see. Now, this guy is pretty easy to fool." And so they start to work on you.

LRH: Not far to go, huh?

That's a fact. And by the way, that may be the history of a great number of preclears who have an awful lot of auditing and who don't seem to get well. You've got an entity in there that says, "No! No! No! No!" And the rest of the preclear is saying, "Oh, yes. Yes, sure, sure. Mm-hm."

PC: That's right.

But this entity is saying, "No, no, no, no, no. Hm-mm! Not on a bet!" And so every time the preclear starts into something, the entity will knock him to sleep, and you get what is known as a very phony boil-off; the entity just puts him to sleep, that's all. It objects and it hits the sleep centers, and out he goes - swish.

LRH: Actually, between lives you could very easily take off for the theta universe, but you're sort of choked up on it. Now, tell me. When you die - normally when you die on Earth, where do you go?

Well, this machine will detect it, and this will tell you why a preclear is balking. You can go over a preclear anatomically, thetawise, and you can say, "Now, are any of your theta lines blocking auditing?" And the machine doesn't say anything. It just sits there quietly and doesn't do anything at all; it just wobbles a little bit.

PC: Mars.

And you say, "All right, is your right-all-the-way-out right side doing it? Mm-hm?"

LRH: Mm-hm. There's a nice bop. Okay, let's put it down on the chart here. Here's Earth and here is death.

No. No action.

Okay. Here is Mars up here, so you go flipping up here. It take you very long to get there?

"Is it the inboard right side?" No action.

PC: Nope.

"Is it the center?" No action.

LRH: Nope.

"Is it the inboard left side? There." Zing!

PC: Scared as hell, incidentally.

"Is the inboard left side stuck in an incident?" Zing!

LRH: By the way, were you told to go there?

'What is the date of this incident?"

PC: Yep.

Oh, and the fellow says, "Oh, it says - it says 1670." No reaction on the needle. You say, "Is it some other date?" Ask that portion - that entity - "Is it some other date?"

LRH: You're supposed to go there. Are you supposed to remember that you're supposed to go there?

All of a sudden he says, "Well, it's ... I get about a thousand." The machine just quivers a little bit.

PC: Nope.

You say, "A thousand B.C.?" Just quivers a little bit.

LRH: But you're supposed to forget that you're supposed to rem-.

"A thousand A.D.?" Zing! You've got the thing spotted. Now you know what you're auditing, very rapidly. There's a theta line which is stuck on the track, and it's going to be stuck on the track and it's going to keep every other theta line there from operating until it's released and brought up into present time. And so you just take the blocks off the case, one right after the other, until you've got all the case up in present time.

PC: Supposed to remember I'm supposed to forget.

And by the way, a lot of these, when they get up to present time, say, "What the devil am I doing here?" and leave - just like that. "Well, I've gotten out of that one."

LRH: That's interesting, isn't it?

So, you can keep check on the thing. Well, we've never had any way to keep check on - and as a matter of fact, our auditing techniques were being addressed on the theory of whole beingness.

PC: Yeah. We hit that one under religion: "Remember, you must always remember." Kind of surprised when I found out what it was I was supposed to remember.

The people that you cleared up were cleared up in two ways: One, you were auditing the central, and somehow or other got it on by getting back early in a person's life, a childhood. That's why childhood is important, is because it will flick on the center sometimes. If you can get the childhood bank you've got the center on, because it's holding the childhood bank. So that's this address: it isn't childhood memories; it's what time of life was the center in evidence. So you get the center on and the person right away brightens up. Very simple.

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, you're supposed to remember to forget, naturally ...

Now, the other thing we were doing was somehow or other exorcising. We were! High in tone, your auditor would simply scare some of these theta lines either into apathy or out.

PC: Yep.

Now, you take a theta line which is holding a case of arthritis in very solid arthritis. This theta line has the right side beautifully paralyzed as far as holding is concerned, and the calcium deposits are gathering apace. And you, as an auditor, drive the right side down in tone and bring the central preclear up in tone to a point where you've unbalanced it and the right side goes into apathy. The second it goes into apathy, of course, it releases and you get a disappearance of arthritis. All you've done - that is a mild exorcism; that's just nullification exorcism. And some of you have merely looked a demon in the eye and said "Phew! and he's gone. And you audited the fellow only a half an hour and all of a sudden he was well. Wasn't that interesting? There he is; he's well.

LRH: ... I mean, that's simple.

The cases which we've had trouble with are the cases that are playing a game with us. Poor case doesn't know it's playing a game with us.

Female voice: Yes, of course.

But there are two or three entities present and they'll cross over, and you 'II start to audit one and you'll find yourself auditing another one, and then you'll be auditing another one. And about the time that you're really getting in there someplace, all of a sudden you're auditing another one. And the result is that some of these have the "I can't know, I won't know" and "I won't tell" - some of these entities have these in such strong restimulation that a person has this strange idea that he could tell if he could tell, but he can't tell, because every time he starts to tell he sort of forgets. Or every time he starts to come up with any part of an incident, it all of a sudden blanks out on him. Or he tries to get the perceptic that matches the incident, and somehow or other something just moves in across it. Well, this is just entanglements of these theta lines. They're just cagey.

LRH: Effective.

Now, an unknown datum can produce too much randomity - too, too much - and that is the case here. Not one of these theta lines was actively aware that a personality existed except itself. They were not aware, one theta line to the next, that there were other personalities or theta lines present. And you simply start identifying them, one after the other to each other, and they come way up in tone, one after the other, because they know what's going on. They know that somebody else was there, and somebody else and somebody else and somebody else. And the prectear gets much cleverer.

Okay. Now, when you got there in the old days, when you got up there ...

Well, you might leave a couple of them that were the bad psychos in him - you might leave these way stuck on the track, and therefore he has somatics and so forth. But the usual thing is that he just becomes a lot more cheerful. This point alone, in other words, produces a marked advance in the case: the identification of the theta lines, one to the other.

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The best way to identify them, of course, is show them to him. And he'll start thinking about the thing and so on, and he'll all of sudden recognize this and that.

LRH: Does one of you still make this trip?

These theta lines can be neurotic enough to hold on a somatic and to throw the somatic on violently every time the preclear starts to get rid of an incident. He starts to get rid of an incident; this line says, "He's starting to get rid of his 'soul' and that's me. We will show him - crunch!" and picks up pain out of its own memory bank and turns it on. Just like you might spank a small child that was causing you trouble. You want to administer pain. So this theta line will think, "Pain, pain," and turn on a somatic. And here you get a chronic somatic that just rides there and rides there. And you run this on the case and you run that on the case, and you run something else on the case, and somehow or another this chronic somatic just won't go away. Well, that's because every time you start to get in close to this theta line it gets very cagey and turns on this somatic. But it's not going to be located.

PC: Nope.

Now, it's your job on a chronic somatic to locate what being it is that's turning it on - what theta line it is that's turning it on, which is to say - and getting that thing unstuck out of the incident so it's rational enough to find out whether or not somebody else is present and find out what it's doing. And you will find out in each case that it is stuck somewhere on the track in something very violent. And it's rather easy to audit out and at that time the chronic somatic will cease.

LRH: Find a body there? Well, let's just talk about the good old days, then, okay?

Now, this is really pinpointing your case. Here somebody comes in to you and they have a chronic somatic. Well, you have three choices. You throw the entity that is giving this person this pain or illness into apathy; that's the worst choice. The optimum choice is to be so clear yourself that you just simply move through and in this entity and it goes phew! and it's gone. You say, "Well, all right, that's twenty-five dollars, please," and the preclear walks out the door.

PC: All right.

And the technique which is available to you and most useful to you now, is simply identify the thing - preferably on an electropsychometer - identify which entity it is and what it's stuck in and then just audit it through what it's stuck in, regardless of how silly or how strange it seems. Whatever the incident is - audit it through, audit it through, and get this entity at least out of that somatic, if not into present time. And your chronic somatic will go away.

LRH: They're still there, by the way.

That means that a psychosomatic illness can be treated selectively by an auditor - very selectively.

PC: Yep.

You take glasses. Now, there's the facsimile field of auditing. Memories have pain in them; you audit out the facsimiles which have the pain, and the pain or disability goes away. That's techniques as we have known them; you see, you have to know the same techniques in order to work one of these entities.

LRH: But they're not in very good shape right now, are they?

All right, let's take glasses. In the facsimile level, glasses mean that one of these entities, at least, is over into a monitor valence of some sort or another, probably in Facsimile One. You will find some part of this preclear is in Facsimile One, and it's being a monitor valence and the glasses are what the monitors wear in Facsimile One. And a person is safe as long as he wears glasses, and if he takes his glasses off he's not safe anymore.

PC: No.

But what about this? We've known for a long time that if you could get a person's tone up, the somatics dropped out. There's billions and billions and trillions and quadrillions of facsimiles - painful ones, severely painful ones. Well, you can't audit all of these. Well, how do you get a preclear's tone up? Well, auditing a theta line or auditing a theta incident advances tone very rapidly and tends to stabilize it - until you go to the next entity, and then you'll find the tone will drop a little bit, but not as far as it was before. And then you audit that tone up and you'll find out he comes up. It is nothing, in two hours to four hours, and certainly in ten hours, to take people off the top of this machine by auditing theta-line incidents. You can't do that by auditing facsimiles; you've got to audit an awful lot of facsimiles before you get tone up to that degree.

LRH: Okay. Now, this is Mars. Some pcs will tell you it's Venus, and maybe there is a show going on in Venus which does more or less the same thing, who knows? Is there a show going on in Venus, too?

So what happens? Let's take Facsimile One now. It's important to know that Facsimile One is there, because so many people are stuck in it; so many people go over into the monitor valence of it; so many people are in the victim valence of it and holding forth regardless. Do you have to audit this thing? Not if you find out which entity is holding on to it. And then not if you find a theta incident -that is to say, some incident a little bit earlier, like a joiner, that makes this entity hold on to incidents and facsimiles. There's just this one entity now, you're asking, "Why do you hold on to facsimiles?" And all of a sudden you find that there is a reason and you audit the line through that reason and blow Facsimile One. Cute - very tricky.

PC: It's a different one.

Now, you can audit Facsimile One out from beginning to end over and over again, and you can make sure that you audit it out of any being that had it in its bank.

LRH: Oh, that's a different show. Do they send people down here to Earth?

There's at least seven banks you will find Facsimile One in - that's why it's so deadly. I amend that. There are at least five banks or four banks; there are a couple of additives afterwards. Facsimile One took place about a million to a million two hundred and fifty thousand years ago.

PC: The thing I get is "Yep, not me.

So, we have much more recent material that has been poured in, and much more recent matters of interest to us.

LRH: Not you, huh? But you know about this?

When it comes to auditing a theta line, you are playing tag with a will-o'-the-wisp, because one of these - if you can't see them yet, one of these theta lines can be very, very cagey, and they can cross over and cross you up and so on. Most rapid job you can do there, therefore, is a machine job, and you just start hitting them one after the other until you have all of these entities up in present time and particularly until you have the center one up in present time. And this is the one you take in preference to any other.

PC: Yep.

Now, therefore auditing procedure as I would recommend it at this time - which is subject to change - auditing procedure would be simply this: You clean up theta lines only to the point where you can handily and easily reach the center. And then you clean up its line as far back as is necessary to keep it from holding on to other entities. And then you'll find your preclear is in much better state; therefore you should just go back and clean up then, this central being up to a point where he's a Theta Clear. And that would be a procedure. There may be a faster way of blowing a theta line; that's why I say it's subject to change because there may be this faster way of blowing a theta line. I don't know of one at this time beyond complete rehabilitation of the center. And sometimes you can't just say to the center "All right-be," 100 percent .. Sometimes, by the way, you can, though. You can suddenly say - you locate the center for the fellow and you show him on the machine - "Now that's the center."

LRH: Well, that's fine. What do they do? What are you ...

"Oh, is that me? Oh, is that how I feel? Oh, gee! Yeah."

PC: Sort of a competition.

"Well now, just get that in communication with every part of your body. Now, get it in communication with all of the MEST universe." Boom! Terrific change takes place. But unfortunately this can't be done all the time, so the other procedure is to clean up the lines which are keeping it from happening, and then just to the point where you can clean it up, and so you get the person up the line on that.

LRH: Oh, there's a competition between the two. What are the Venus people? What are they trying to do? Huh?

Now, theoretically all the other beings ought to blow immediately that this thing decides - this center being, you, which is really you, by the way - will decide.

PC: Take over.

Now, your preclears can give you a bad argument every once in a while. They give you a very bad argument. They will say to you, "Well, I can't audit that, because if I audited that" - they will have the idea that "If I audited that, something horrible would happen to me." Well, you're not talking to the prectear; you're talking to the facade in front of the facade of the preclear. In other words, you're talking to a couple of theta lines deep before you're reaching the central being.

LRH: They're trying to take over Earth. Well, what about the Mars people, what are they trying to do?

It's an amazing thing, but I'm sure that you'd have this happen if you were working around sanitarium people or something like that, or working on - oh, some very, very, very neurotic people: you would find them a being which was not their central being but which was saying it was their central being. In other words, it'd fool you. So you'd be busily giving them over into the hands of some lesser line which was psychotic as could be, and you want to avoid that if possible. It's not terribly important, but you want to avoid it, because your central being is not going to blow out; this would just make the case a little bit longer.

PC: Take over.

Now, you actually could become, theoretically, this expert, that when you find a body has suddenly been vacated - the fellow says, "Well, goodbye. Phewww!" - you look at this body lying there and you say, "Is anybody else here?" You don't get any response on the machine, starts turning kind of blue, you listen to the heartbeat and it's slowing way down, and what happened was even the genetic-line body's soul blew, and - well, shoot them with some adrenalin or something like that and pick up an idle spirit (there'll be a lot of those around) and shove them into the body real quick and say, "Hey, here's a body. Quick, rumpf! and stuff them in right quick and get the person animated again.

LRH: Mm-hm.

I just give you that. Don't delay too long on it, because in hot weather you know how it is. (audience laughter) Of course, there are many people here, as I say those words, that think I'm serious. Well, I am. (audience laughter)

PC: They're trying to keep it running, I guess.

Let's take another very, very short break and let me give you the rest of this - if you want me to.

LRH: Is Venus the new attack?

PC: Yeah.

HOW TO AUDIT A THETA LINE, PART II

LRH: Has anybody got one of your bodies on Venus?

A lecture given on 16 April 1952

PC: Nope.

[tape continues]

LRH: Nobody has got a body of yours on Venus? Okay.

Anybody get a "yes" on that?

& [There is an unitelligible sentence here on the tape which does not appear in the R&D transcript]

Female voice: Yes.

Well, now I'm going to tell you something about what can be done with a theta line. You understand I'm only talking about what can be done with a theta line.

Male voice: Mm-hm.

What can be done with a theta body? The first answer to this is "What can be done with a human being?" Anything that can be done mechanically with a human mind can be done to the theta mind - to a theta being - except these strange complexities of cross theta lines. That is to say, one theta line being cleared and another theta line coming across and stopping it from being cleared. All right.

Female voice: I did.

Let me tell you some of the things that can be done to a human being, and understand that I'm still talking about theta bodies because there's not any difference except a human being and his mind as he exists today - Homo sapiens - it's just more of them.

LRH: You did.

YOU can hypnotize a human being or drug a human being and move him as a theta body, in all or in part, to remote distances and have him observe or act or communicate and move back to his body again. This has been - he has many descriptive phrases, such as "astral walking.", It's of no importance what you call it. The point is that you can actually hypnotize yourself, which is one theta body hypnotizing another theta body inside yourself, and send that other theta body off to some vast distance and observe something and have it come back and so on.

Female voice: I think he was getting some of my fear. I think.

This is very common. Your hypnotist knows this manifestation very well. You take somebody, hypnotize them, send them down to where somebody else is having a dinner party. And you count the people at the table and get the order of seating and what is going on and what is being eaten. And then come back and wake up and get on the telephone and tell them. It's very upsetting to them.

LRH: Which one is the most modern civilization? Which is the newest?

You can, by hypnotizing yourself - that is the usual mechanism by which this is done - send one of you over to somebody who is sleeping and say to that somebody, "Now, you want to call me at 10:15 in the morning and say, 'I have a wonderful idea' and you will have a wonderful idea. Now be sure and tell me this." And you'll come back again, and 10:15 in the morning the person either has an impulse to call you, or they will call you, or they won't. But the oddity is that it's at 10:15 that they call and they do say to you, "I have a wonderful idea." It all depends on how good you are at astral walking, how positive are your results.

PC: Newest is Venus.

Now, you can astral-walk some theta body clear across the United States or clear across the world and find out all sorts of things. And as a matter of fact, you can even dictate to it as to what it's supposed to do and get information from it while it is at this remote place. I am now talking to you about very, very elementary manifestations. These are quite well known.

LRH: Newest is Venus?

Self-hypnosis, as I say, is one line hypnotizing another line - in you. When a person is hypnotized, what happens is the control center which is uppermost - the control being which is uppermost - is put into some sort of a sleep and another being that isn't normally available is thereby exposed to view. And that other being is almost always neurotic or psychotic or very literal. And the second being can be told things. And then the person is awakened, which is to say the theta line which was put to sleep (which is normally in control) is awakened. And sitting back of that is another theta body, see, and it says, "Now, you will do so-and-so and so-and-so, and you're not supposed to remember it," so forth.

PC: Yeah.

Just think of a lot of little kids playing a game and this is about the manifestation you get. You see? So that's a posthypnotic suggestion and that is also an engram in operation.

LRH: And Venus has - have electronics down well and ...

A person is operated on. All theta bodies are asleep except one; this one observes everything there and then you run the person through the operation. What you've done is wake up six bodies if you run him through it thoroughly. See how that would work?

PC: Yep.

Now, awareness means awareness of what? What's awareness? There are a minimum of seven awarenesses. Which one of these awarenesses are you reducing when you give a person anesthetic? And how many of them are you sending away? How many of them are you holding on to?

LRH: ... other things?

Now, get valence. There are two valences. There is a command valence which shifts from one theta body to the other. It isn't the words that do it; it's the fact that a person is shifted on theta bodies because somebody told it to shift. Running back through incidents, you will find peclears out of valence. Well, that is to say, you're running a theta body which wasn't the theta body to which this happened, but the theta body which observed it happening to the other theta body. Get the idea?

PC: Yep.

It happened to theta body A, and as you run him through the incident, you're running theta body B through the incident, so theta body B goes through the incident. And where was it where the incident took place? Well, oddly enough, time and space have very little to do with this, and so theta body B thought nothing of standing out in the middle of the room and watching it, particularly if there was charge on it.

LRH: They operate in space? System space?

Somebody comes along and hits the little kid in the jaw. Theta body B said, "No!" saw the blow coming and stepped out. Theta body A stood there and took it. Bow! You run the person back - they don't have any somatics, they tell you quite happily. "I don't have any somatics. No, I see myself."

PC: Yes.

You say, "Well, this is some illusion. It's-all-illusion - it's-all-delusion - and - let's-all-be-illusive-and-delusive - and-let's-grant-no-reality-to-anything - and-that's-the-way-we-all-stay-insane." Boy, that's a philosophy. (All those words that I just uttered have hyphens amongst them.)

LRH: Mm-hm. Who's the referee in this fight? Is there any?

When you run this prectear back through again, you're running the wrong theta body back through. Now, you tell the right theta body to go through the incident and you get the somatics and so forth. But this right theta body may be so frightened by this time of existence and so on, that it takes a lot of persuading.

PC: Feeling I get there is "I am."

Now, how do you get a person to run through an incident in valence? Find the theta body that the thing happened to - the theta body in control, the theta body which has the memory bank containing the incident and all of its somatics - if you want to run the incident. Find it, run the preclear through enough data until the incident unburdens on the theta line that the incident happened to.

LRH: You are. You the referee of this fight7

Now, you try to run childhood out of somebody and they've shifted into five consecutive different theta bodies since - the fifth body over there didn't even know the person had ever been a child. It was just out, it had nothing to do with the childhood, it was just there, and it was going around saying, "Hm-hm-hm-hm-hm-hm." He wasn't even aware of time passing or something of the sort. And one day have the entire load and control of the human body dumped on it; one day it suddenly found itself in control of everything.

PC: Yes.

You know, dental operation, a couple of theta bodies got something in restimulation and so got a toothache, and so the thing to do is to go down to the dentist and have the dentist - anesthesia, pry, squeeze, yank, stamp, knee in the guts, you know, with lots of words. And the theta body which is in operation up to that moment says, "This is too thick. Another life, and it's still happening! I quit." And so it does. It says, "Well, here I am asleep.' And it stays asleep.

LRH: Does that mean you personally, or Earth?

Now this person teeters around after the operation and says, "Well, I feel different somehow." You try to put this person back through the operation and they're out of valence. Now, if you will notice closely, they can call themselves the dentist as they go through the operation; they can go into the dentist, and so on. This is another manifestation of which theta lines are completely capable-of stepping into other people. And they do. They just simply step into somebody else.

PC: First thought I got on that was "me.

If a theta body, a theta line, is very mixed up and can't get control of the person in any other way, it will step into person B and activate some theta line in person B so as to do something to person A. You get that?

LRH: You?

Here's a theta line that's in person A, and person A is not under the control of this theta line; this theta line is quite psycho and very possessive, or something of the sort. This theta body will step around into another person and motivate them into getting angry at A. And then yap-yap-yap-yap-yap- Somebody will say, "I wonder why I am so angry at him. That was silly," but go right on saying, 'What's the idea?" and so on.

PC: Yeah.

And person A all of a sudden says, "Hm! Somebody is angry at me. Why are they angry at me?" And gets good and mad, and so you get a fight started. Because theta bodies are just people and they will start fights and they will argue, but sometimes they go about it circuitously. You find a mention of this in the first book, by the way.

LRH: Who are you?

Now, the manifestation, then, is that a theta body is not locatable in time and space except as it thinks it is. It believes it's here and therefore acts on MEST here. Or believes it's there and therefore acts on MEST there. Believes it's supposed to stay inside (and by the way, that's a big aberration to have to stay inside the body, they're not supposed to leave, and so forth - most of them have this aberration) and so stays inside or goes into another body and stays in there. A person can lose his theta lines.

PC: Okay. Next thought is "Earth."

The only one that seems to have any constancy at all is a very old stable line, which is the center line. And that's quite stable, and when de-aberrated that line is very active - original line. All right.

LRH: Well, is it Earth ...

Now, when you look at this manifestation, what is it possible to do with a theta body? And the answer is anything. When you look at human behavior, what's possible? You can have one insane person pervade a whole group. You can have all sorts of things taking place.

PC: Uh-uh.

But back in the bad old days of sorcery, somebody wanted to get rid of somebody else - you see, you're not supposed to do that anymore, either. That's awfully hard to track down by law, and so forth. Here's a fellow 3,000 miles away from another fellow and the other fellow dies. And so all of a sudden we found that we didn't believe in ghosts anymore or we didn't believe in spirits anymore. A lot of things happened in this society to prevent this.

LRH: ... or is it you personally?

But it's very possible to take, say, a child here and take one of the theta lines of the child, hypnotize the line and send it someplace else and invest somebody else and have that child be that person. You take somebody in apathy walking down the street. If you were very able theta-wise and you could get in and out of yourself at will, there's no trick at all of ust suddenly stepping into that person and making him think and do exactly what you wanted him to do. That's right. It's against the law that has been imposed on the aberration track, because it was found out that all of these lines had to be kept in one place in space or time before YOU could punish anybody. And it was very necessary to punish people, so you cou nail them down.

PC: I think it's me personally.

What I'm talking to you about, you actually know natively that you can do; you feel a quiver on it, but it's against the law. And what's law?

LRH: Okay. Good. Tell them to hold off for a while, will you? (audience laughter)

Compulsion - that's it, compulsion. You're supposed to stay inside and you re supposed to be good. And you're not supposed to influence anybody else and you're not supposed to send any of these theta lines anywhere else and do anything to anybody else's body.

PC: All right. That's what I've been doing.

Now, I'm not advocating that you do. I'm not advocating that you do at all, but I am telling you that these are possibilities and potentialities inherent in the theta line.

LRH: You're not kidding. All right. Now, the old cycle went this way: fellow went back up here and what did he do? Sure, you tell them.

You can go down to the library and you can pick up books about India, books about many things, and you'll find this and that happening. Think of what I have told you in these lectures and add it up on this theta line, and you will see all of a sudden a lot of these things suddenly clarify; they all of a sudden will jell.

PC: Get ...

People knew that you could take these lines and do things with them, and in the past they did. They did with a fullness and abandon which is very wonderful to behold. They would transfer theta lines and they would influence lives and they would cross things up in a most wonderful and remarkable fashion.

LRH: Hm?

I wonder if I mentioned the word "building roads" to you - building roads in the sky, and just building roads and building roads and building roads, and building roads around sort of towers, and building roads across vast pieces of space, and building more roads just endlessly a nd endlessly - any of you feel tired when I tell you about that?

PC: Feel like it's "get reborn."

Well, once upon a time some of the human race got caught a pushed into bodies and built roads. That's one of the joiner incidents.

LRH: Get reborn. Did his body animate or anything happen up there?

You can run somebody back into this one and they get pretty tired, because it was a static. A person went on and on, life after life after life after life after life. You see, they knew that there was such a thing as life consecutiveness; they knew all about that, they could observe that. The fact that we don't know about it now is one of the control measures.

PC: Woke up.

And so they went on life after life after life after life doing the same job and the same cycle in the same place, on and on and on, under very heavy control. And so you'll find that section of the track is quite aberrated.

LRH: He woke up. And then what did he do?

Now, how did they do this? How could you possibly catch a theta body? It's air, sort of -, it's worse than air, it's just nothing. How do you lay got trapped hold of it? Well, you can attract it by its feeling of ethics. You can attract it by its curiosity, or any other way that you can influence a human being into doing something that you know very well is bad for him.

PC: This is where we begin to get questioned. I sometimes invalidate my own data on this, because ...

You invite his interest; you give him a lot of bow-row-rowr-rowr. And remember, in those days theta bodies were not invisible any more than they're invisible now.

LRH: Is this an area of confusion?

So, your theta body could be attracted to a body for some very noble purpose or something of the sort, and then the purpose would get ignoble suddenly. Something would happen; a switch would happen. When this would occur, somebody would be trapped, because a theta body could be put to sleep. It could be put this way, it could be pressed that way.

PC: Yeah.

And some genius somewhere along the line picked up a wave that was very close to the wavelength of one over infinity. And it's so close to theta that it'll affect theta; it's the same wavelength as emotion. Emotion is one of those very, very short wavelengths. It'll affect a facsimile or a theta body or the MEST universe, so it makes a crossroads.

LRH: Oh. The questioning is very confusing. Okay.

If you had a wave - electronic wave - in that area or part of the band, all you would have to do would be to shove it at a theta body and you would get some sort of a result resembling unconsciousness, or the theta body could not get away or something of the sort. In other words, there's a part of a band, such as emotion - there's an electronic approximation of it possible - by which a theta body could be trapped. This is initially how it began to happen.

Here, then, is his body awakes. And now we've got to report. And here you got ...

And then how did you keep somebody there? How did you keep them from getting away? Well, these are big problems. It took giant brains to figure out these things.

PC: Seem kind of confused about what's going on.

One of the ways you could do it would be to take some of the physical body and get the theta body attached to it. Take a portion of it; keep this portion in pawn, in hock. Put it in a little field so that it would live, you know, and put it in - like Alexis Carrell and Lindbergh figured out, keep the cells growing happily. And then, if you did something wrong over there a couple of miles, just - tsk! - stick it, and you'd hurt over there a couple of miles away because you were told you would. You had to be educated into physical universe pain. Well, that sounds very wild, but it's a possibility. And all I'm telling you about are possibilities, right now.

LRH: Confused on questions. Well, what did they do? What did they do?

Now, there is the distinct possibility of doing this with a theta body: here is a theta body or several bodies in a MEST body. Here's a MEST body, much like you or I, or maybe one-eyed. Here's this NEST body and this MEST body is in perfectly good condition. And one day it walks along the road and sees this sign - says "Volunteers" or something of the sort, "Big Project - Big Project." And walks inside the building to find out what is this big project and there is the most gorgeous glowing block of stone which is hanging in midair - much like Mohammed had - except it emanates. He's gone. You walk in - bing! That's it.

PC: They asked questions, and seems to me that they should know the answers.

Then somebody (and this is theoretically, of course), somebody could take you and put you over in a building, you know, and they could shoot you full of narcosynthesis and say, "Now, you'd better, for your own good and because you have this big mission to accomplish, go to such-and-such a place and take the body which you see there, and work with it to accomplish so-and-so. And when that body dies, you will return here. And we will take very, very good care of this body here all the time you are gone. And you needn't worry about this body, because we will take good care of it. And you'll go down there and you do so-and-so and such-and-such and all will be well."

LRH: Yeah. What's the purpose in asking the questions?

Well, all right. This individual, theoretically, could leave then. Theta body leaves - goes down here, leaves a little bit of theta there, you know, keeps the body ticking over, and comes down here to this area and takes over this other body. Of course, this other body always seems sort of unreal (there's already a soul in it). But it seems sort of unreal somehow but he works with it. And he doesn't quite know what he's doing, and he goes on. He's supposed to keep the body from pain, and he's supposed to do good, and he's supposed to do that and he's got a big goal and so on. And all of a sudden, one day, gets himself killed. Hah! He's supposed to report back now!

PC: To confuse me.

So he reports back; he walks in and he gets into the body, the body wiggles a little bit and the guards come along and they say, "Hah! There's another one." They pick him up and take him in. "Now, what did you do? What's it like? Give us a report. Now, all right. Mm-hm. Hm, that's very interesting. Mm-hm. Very interesting. Are you sure that's what you did? Yes, yes. Go on. Are you sure you know what you're doing? Mm-hm. You sure you were there? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. How do you know that was good? Well, why did you do it? Now, we going to open and write it down here in a big book, and I think you'd better go back again and see if you can't do better this next time. Well, forget it!" Bang! The person forgets it.

LRH: Get you confused?

Then they take him over in the next room and shoot him full of stuff again. And they say now, "Yappity-yappity-yappity-yappity,yap," and "Here's what,you're supposed to do; you're supposed to go down there and get the next body you can come across down there, and it's all fixed up and you're - all good shape. And this time your goal is to organize a church. Yeah, you're supposed to organize a church in this life. So, goodbye."

PC: Yep.

The person would appear down here as a baby - the line already has a soul in it - would appear down here all of a sudden as a baby, and go along and try to organize this church and try to organize this church.

LRH: That's right. Go to the head of the class. Okay. That's one of the first mechanisms of hypnotism, by the way: get the subject confused.

Now, the funny part of it is that he could be a composite mass of bodies, that is, theta bodies, which was - just amounts to one personality, and they could all be shunted simultaneously. So there he goes.

Boy, you're really getting drops on this, aren't you? All right. What's the next thing you do?

And he organizes a church and he organizes a church and he organizes a church. Only he doesn't organize a church very well and one day he gets killed. So, he's loose, he's outside of the body again and he - this is strange - he thought he belonged in that body. The second he gets out of it he realizes he doesn't belong in that body, but he's very foggy - when he gets out of it, he gets just awful foggy. So he goes back again and he - this body twitches and one of the guards says, "Well, come along with me," take him down. Write down in a big book, "What did you do? Why? Oh, you didn't do that! Yeah. Well, are you sure that was right? Are you sure that was what you were told?" Confuse, confuse, confuse, confuse. "Well, forget it. You'll have a to go down again."

PC: Back to Earth.

"But you told me I wouldn't have to go down again!"

LRH: Back to Earth.

"Well, forget it. So-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so. Yeah, your goals this time is to go down and be very good in the hay business." Well, the fellow goes - very dopey about this whole thing and he goes down, and sure, this is all he's supposed to know. He's supposed to be in a body, supposed to go through this routine and goes to the other end of the line. And how long could it go on?

PC: Die again there.

Well, it could go on until such a body fell apart. That's the truth. Because you could keep a body - even with methods of food preservation we have here on earth and mechanisms which we have right here on earth at this time - you could probably keep a body ticking over for hundreds of years. Theoretically, you could keep one ticking over for thousands of years.

LRH: Hm?

Then one day he goes back and he says, "I have no body." So he kind of shuffles down the hall - that's where he's supposed to go - and he shuffles down the hall and nobody sees him. But he stands around for a while and he says, "Well, I guess this is time I go back there again" and - pop! keeps going through the cycle endlessly, endlessly, over and over, but now with no implanted goals, and so he gets pretty aimless. He'd sure be puzzled, wouldn't he?

PC: Die again there and come back to Earth.

You could do such a trick if you wanted to control a planet, if you wanted to control a people or if you wanted to get something done for your own purposes. And if you were very good at electronics and that sort of thing, well, just a hair better than we are now, you could do this. You actively could accomplish this by shifting theta bodies around with astral projection.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what's the procedure? Now, there's a little bit more to it, I'm sure ...

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... than just you simply coming back to Earth.

PC: Yeah, I get on this - come back to Earth - select a body, take over.

[Professional course booklet 17 begins with the session given in the Theta Body Demo lecture and continues it with this session starting here as if they were all part of the same session.]

LRH: Do you get instructions, specific instructions on anything?

PC: Yeah, what to do.

LRH: What to do? Are you stuck someplace in this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Where?

PC: Somewhere in the middle of the instructions.

LRH: What do they do in the middle of the instructions?

PC: Thought I get is that they get confused.

LRH: They start to act confused?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. And what's that do to your confusion?

PC: Really picks it up.

LRH: Yeah. And then what do they do?

PC: They say to go.

LRH: They tell you to forget it or anything there?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Is there any command there to forget your past life that you've just lived?

PC: Boy, I get the first-beautiful first line of a prayer coming in strong.

LRH: Coming in strong. What are you supposed to do? Now, what's the prayer?

PC: just a sec while I get it. "You shall remember the Lord, thy God, all the days of thy life," and thought this - this - or something or other. Oh, everything will be hunky-dory, and so forth. And this is the same one we ran into, or I ran into, in the middle of what I thought to be Fac One, first time.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It got tangled up with that.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was kind of startled when I found out what it was I was remembering.

LRH: Mm-hm. Does this knock out the past life that you just left?

PC: No. Makes me forget it.

LRH: Makes you forget it.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Why do you forget it?

PC: Because I'm remembering to forget it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You have to remember to forget it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What else do you have to do about this? Anything else? How about your skills, vocation?

PC: You have to relearn all this.

LRH: Oh, you're told you have to relearn everything.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Great. Fine, fine. Now, confused questioning, and told to relearn, and you're told to forget.

PC: Seem to have been bothered some in this lifetime, though; I don't like schools.

LRH: Past life. Yeah, you probably knew all this scenery. After a guy learns arithmetic a hundred times, it gets to be awfully ... You start to rebel and somebody says, "two times two," and you say it's eight, or anything.

Female voice: I came up with five.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Three point nine-nine.

LRH: Now, what goes on there? You forget - forget your past lives and so forth?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. And then what happens?

PC: The thought I get there is then down to Earth and find a body; it's apparently been selected.

LRH: Mm-hm. How's it selected? You given a street and number or anything like that?

PC: No. Seem to be tuned in on it.

LRH: Oh? Tuned in on the body.

PC: Yeah. The damn feeling I get is just about - scooting in just about like an arrow - floating right in on it.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Like a homing pigeon, almost.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Or a guided - guided missile homing in.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yep.

LRH: And there it is, right sex, right everything.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Yeah. Fine. All tailor-made. At what period in the development of that body is this?

PC: Just before birth.

LRH: That's right. Okay.

But here goes the body to sleep again, huh? Or is it you are told you're dead?

PC: No. Sleep - about the only thing. Suspended animation, something like that, but not dead.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: Never die.

LRH: Right. And then you depart, huh?

PC: Yep.

LRH: How many - how long are you there, generally?

PC: You mean back there?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I guess ten minutes.

LRH: About ten minutes? Mm-hm.

Female voice: He's busy.

LRH: Not very long, is it?

PC: Damn busy trip.

LRH: Okay. So, here we go.

Is that a specific time before birth? Ten minutes, fifteen hours, twenty hours, a hundred hours, two days? What is it?

PC: Ten minutes sounds about right.

LRH: About ten minutes. That's right.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Okay. Ten minutes. What - what would you say this span is between death and birth again?

PC: Ten minutes.

LRH: About that. That's right. Sometimes fifteen. Ah!

PC: I'm in a hurry.

LRH: And this is birth; here we go again. That's interesting. Now, is there anything wrong with your telling me about this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What's liable to happen?

PC: Not supposed to tell.

LRH: Who said so?

PC: They.

LRH: They said so.

PC: This is during conditioning.

LRH: Is this early conditioning?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Now, how did you get into that rat race in the first place?

PC: It was all part of an experiment which I'm interested in conducting.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what...

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: ... theta universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: First slide over into MEST universe - this is something we ran about - be about five, six days ago.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yep. Slide over into the MEST universe as an experiment, to see what it's like to control things in the MEST universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Not control them, but to - well, to operate - get to know it better if you're in it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... than you can from without.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're talking like this is a sales talk from somebody.

PC: That's exactly the way I got it.

LRH: That is a sales talk. Okay. How did you get into this last thirty-five-thousand year ... How long ago was it by the way, when you met up with these Martians?

PC: It's thirty thousand, I said that the other night.

LRH: About thirty thousand.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. How long did you report back? What's the last time you reported back? Any entity or beingness of yourself ? What was the last time you reported?

PC: One week ago.

LRH: About a week ago. Mm-hm. Was that about a week ago? Day ago? Day ago? Week ago?

PC: Mm-day ago. Day ago or week ago; it - they both seem to be okay.

LRH: Both seem to be okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Welt, you recall that I sent you up there the other night.

PC: That was a day. But a week ago it also happened.

LRH: Oh, it also happened about a week ...

PC: Yeah, that was when I was getting audited.

LRH: Pretty rough? Okay.

PC: We've been blowing things.

LRH: But I mean, to find a live body and go on through the routine.

PC: Oh, no, that's a day ago.

LRH: You did a day ago? Find the body and go through the whole routine?

PC: Yeah. No, I didn't go through the routine. No.

LRH: You found a body.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's right.

PC: Found one waiting around.

LRH: Okay. Okay. Now, this whole cycle has been going on for a long time, now, hasn't it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Would you sort of say you must be, thetawise, completely indestructible to take all of this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Gee, you mean these aberrations we've got and so forth aren't quite as important as we thought they were.

PC: Nope.

LRH: Neither would be this hypnotism or anything else. Look at how many times it could happen to you.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why, you'd think that'd normally kill a person, to get hit this many times, wouldn't you?

PC: To die again could kill a normal guy.

LRH: Normal guy. Yep.

Now, here you have then, your life-death, death-life cyclic action. The various other periods that have happened in history similar to this are not too dissimilar from it. It's a pattern: MEST universe gets itself in a rut very easily, so on.

Now, in the MEST universe various other strange things have happened to people than what I've pointed out on the track between this between-lives cycle. This cycle is really much more important to an individual than many others, but it doesn't ride timelessly. It has the characteristic of putting somebody on a time track, doesn't it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What we're calling Fac One is important because it floats somebody off of a time track.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, therefore, Fac One has a timeless characteristic. But this thing has a well-timed characteristic. What happens when you do the same action over and over and over? You took up in the Axioms and you find out that's a static, so each one of these cycles has a tendency to be. Now, do you consider this sort of static?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long you been on Earth? Oh, you already gave me that. You've thought about that.

Now what's this business about Venus?

PC: just another group.

LRH: How did you get caught in this - you didn't tell me the answer to that question. How did you get caught in this rat race?

PC: This one?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... thought is I get captured.

LRH: Did you volunteer?

PC: Nope.

LRH: Were you captured?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What else did they say?

PC: Didn't say anything else at all.

LRH: just captured. Shot down here?

PC: Knocked down. Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm. Here we go.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now, had you been free just before you were captured?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm. Had you been free for a while?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Proud of yourself?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you "know" just before you were captured?

PC: First thing on it is "Yes" and followed by a real big "No. Better not."

LRH: Okay.

PC: There it goes!

LRH: There it goes on the machine.

Okay - now. Now, who's this that's very interested there in Venus? Somebody spoke up around here.

Female voice: I did.

LRH: Well, you give her the cans and let's find out what happens around there.

[to male pc] Okay, thank you very much.

& LRH: Now, anybody... What did you do since the last time you run this thing? Did you run anything?

& PC: I've been doing some running ... [unintelligible]

& LRH: OK. I'm not embarrassing ... [unintelligible] OK.

& PC: Theta bop ... [unintelligible]

& LRH: ... [unintelligible]

& PC: Well, we put them back up the line again.

LRH: Okay. Do you have a body on Venus?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, what do you know? You got a body on Venus that's in pawn; that is to say, something holding it?

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: Did you try this

PC: ... it's operating, but it's kind of in pawn, too.

LRH: Oh, it's operating.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It's walking around?

PC: Mmm. Mentally functioning, not physically.

LRH: Oh, it's functioning mentally.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do they tell it things to tell you?

PC: No. I just - I'm communicating with it, but it's ...

LRH: Can you communicate with it right this minute?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. What's it looking at right this minute? Boy, are you communicating with it! Look at that drop!

PC: It's looking at a desk chart, not with graphs, but - how can I describe it? Sort of button lights is about the best thing I can do.

LRH: Button-light graph.

PC: Uh-huh. In the functioning of it, it just thinks which light it wants to light to perform certain duties and ...

LRH: Could you push it? When are you supposed to push it? Are you supposed to push it, or supposed to not to?

PC: No, whenever I feel it's necessary.

LRH: Are you under orders to push it?

PC: Well, I'm jerking like mad, Ron.

LRH: Are you under a - now, just a minute. Are you under a signal basis?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Are you a communication channel?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Are you a comm point?

PC: A type - I'm more of a relay point.

LRH: Relay point. Relay point between Earth and Venus?

PC: In a way, yeah.

LRH: In a way. Now, did you ever hear of space station 33?

PC: No. Fifty-six.

LRH: Space station 56.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You in space station 56?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. You ever in communication with space station 33?

PC: No, nothing to do with it.

LRH: This machine says that you are.

PC: Well, I don't like him!

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: I do things my way.

LRH: That's bad, huh?

PC: No, I think it's good to do things my way.

LRH: Who is space station 33 commanded by?

PC: A man.

LRH: Uh-huh. What's his name?

PC: Oh, I - blah - I can't say it. Uh ...

LRH: Well, you got a name.

PC: Numbers there.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It doesn't mean the same as here.

LRH: Doesn't, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever hear of Arohohn?

[Professional Course booklet 17 spells this name Arol Olen.]

PC: No.

LRH: No? Arohohn. Never heard of him, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Is he on space station 33?

PC: I got a no and a yes and a no on that one.

LRH: You're not supposed to tell, are you?

PC: No, it's a big secret.

LRH: Big secret.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's the matter with Arohohn?

PC: He's a jerk.

LRH: You don't like him, huh? Well, he's not the fellow on your operating board at 33 - he's in command of 33, isn't he?

PC: Yeah, but ...

LRH: You don't like him, huh?

PC: They don't know anything. Men don't know how to organize things.

LRH: Is he in command of your 56?

PC: Yes. Men don't know how -

LRH: They don't know how to organize well, do they?

PC: No, they sure don't.

LRH: Particularly if they're working on Earth.

PC: Anyplace.

LRH: All right.

Picking up this story about this Venus contact. What is this Venus contact, now? You've got space station 33 and space station 56. Were there other space stations there?

PC: Oh, yeah, about two hundred of them altogether, I think.

LRH: Two hundred of them.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which is central?

PC: Well, one - they've got the system worked out so it goes in odd numbers. One, three, five and then it goes into the twenty-three, twenty-five. There are - I mean, it is set up on relays from the odd numbers and then there's major relay points from ...

LRH: What do they communicate?

PC: Instructions.

LRH: Well, come on. Give me a sample dispatch.

PC: Oh!

LRH: Well, give me a sample dispatch.

PC: uh ... Well, there's terrific conflict here.

LRH: You want me to show you a dispatch you sent about a half an hour ago? Oh, you didn't send one a half an hour ago. You sent one about forty minutes ago.

PC: About twenty minutes ago I was to go asleep - I nearly did - while you were talking before.

LRH: Mm-hm. Had to concentrate, didn't you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How does it feel to run two bodies?

PC: Well, being in such close contact, which I've never done before, it feels very odd. Like ...

LRH: Confusing, is it?

PC: Distressing. I'm not quite used to it yet.

LRH: Is this Venusian effort mainly directed at - mainly directed at a conquest of Earth?

PC: Well, it's kind of indirect conquest of Mars.

LRH: Indirect conquest of Mars. What's wrong with Earth?

PC: Well, it's more or less of a focal maneuvering point. You know, like the Aleutian Islands, I or something like that, I mean ...

LRH: Earth isn't important in this sequence, is it?

PC: Only as a matter of getting at Mars through the back door or sideways, or something like that.

LRH: Hm. Nobody in this whole crew is interested in Earth, are they?

PC: Mm-no, not really.

LRH: What's Earth? Boy, are you shaking.

PC: You're telling me! I'm not looking at the dial.

LRH: Okay. Well ... My, am I taking information here that I shouldn't take?

PC: How right you are!

LRH: Well, believe me, I can take it. Don't ...

PC: I don't know if I can take any more of this or not, though.

LRH: Were you operating directly contrary to orders7

PC: Mm-just about as direct as you can get it. (sigh)

LRH: Mm-hm. What if you had a dispatch cleared through your hands right now that said okay?

PC: Mmm-it just wouldn't come. I mean, that's ...

LRH: It wouldn't huh? All right, we'll continue with this. Earth isn't important, then, to Venus, is it?

PC: Not to them - capturing it and using it.

LRH: What's the matter with Earth?

PC: It doesn't have anything to offer. I mean, they can't do anything.

LRH: Too heavy?

PC: They're stupid.

LRH: Gravity too heavy down here?

PC: Yeah, but I mean, we could overcome that. It's this civilization isn't developed enough to make any use out of it particularly.

LRH: Mm-hm. What, is this a prison planet?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that one of the reasons you shy off of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is one of your general orders not to land on Earth?

PC: Unless necessary.

LRH: Unless an emergency.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Who signed the general order?

PC: Oh, two people.

LRH: How long has it been outstanding?

PC: The orders?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh, about two thousand years, anyway.

LRH: Two thousand, anyway.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Two thousand anyway? Is that all?

PC: Well ...

LRH: How about ten thousand?

PC: More like six to eight.

LRH: That's longer than you've been around there.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is your concentration making you neglect the board?

PC: Yeah. I'm getting hell ...

LRH: Is there a dispatch sitting on that board?

PC: Yeah, I'm getting hell for it, too.

LRH: Well, clear it.

PC: "Drop the cans!" (laugh)

LRH: How long have you been a communications relay point down here?

PC: Mm-Oh, how long have I been down here?

LRH: How long-how long...

PC: I've just been here from...

LRH: ... have you been a communications relay point?

PC: About two thousand years.

LRH: Mm-hm. You've been going through the Earth line for two thousand yearc?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Have you been going through the Earth line two thousand years?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Longer?

PC: No, not going through the Earth line but only about two, three thousand years as a communications ...

LRH: You've been a communications point down here for the last generation?

PC: Oh, yeah. Longer than that.

LRH: Did it happen in this life?

PC: Mm-hm, yeah.

LRH: Yeah. At the beginning of this life?

PC: Before this life.

LRH: Oh, it happened before this life?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about 1780?

PC: More like 1860.

LRH: Been here since 1860.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're not giving me the hot dope.

PC: Trying hard not to.

LRH: Trying hard not to, huh? And making sense too.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Well, you're in very safe hands. Do you think the back of Mars is busted?

[Professional Course booklet 17 says "Do you think the Bank of Mars is busted?". Both R&D 10 and an older freezone transcription say "back of Mars", but the tape is poor quality - Ed.]

PC: No, that's the difficulty.

LRH: Well, what about the operation that took place around here recently?

PC: Which one?

LRH: Oh, I'd say their control of Mars - control of Earth is certainly kind of busted up here a little bit.

PC: Mm-hm, some slight extent. Amidst ...

LRH: Well, what about the next step?

PC: ... the confusion, but the government is still pretty solid.

LRH: On Mars, still pretty solid. What do you get on the board on it?

PC: A lot of red lights flickering right across the top of the board.

LRH: What do you see?

PC: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

LRH: You got a viewer there that demonstrates anything on Mars?

Anything going on, on Mars?

PC: No.

LRH: Is there one available? What are you, a communications operator?

PC: Yeah, a relay ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, you know the dispatches that come through there.

PC: Mm-I'd say that this confusion ...

LRH: Lot of activity?

PC: There's about two or three other groups trying to come in, but the main central or governing group, so to speak, has - is still pretty much functioning.

LRH: They upset lately?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What are they upset about, I wonder?

PC: Oh, they feel we're getting too close.

LRH: Who's getting too close?

PC: We are.

LRH: Venus.

PC: Uh ...

LRH: Venusians.

PC: No, not Venus.

LRH: Earth?

PC: Dianetics.

LRH: Well, it ought to be. All right. Now, let me ...

PC: They don't call it that up there. That was the dispatch - why the hesitation.

LRH: Uh-huh. They don't call it that up there.

PC: Hm.

LRH: They didn't have it up there, did they?

PC: No, they don't have it up there.

LRH: That's right. All right. Now, would you say offhand .. What did you get a surge on?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Am I going up against a communicator's oath here?

PC: Yeah. A bridge [breach?] of oath, ethics, and ...

LRH: Mm.

PC: ... anything else ou want to call it.

LRH: And I'm going right straight up against it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Was this implanted into you in some fashion or other, and that's why you're shaking?

PC: Yeah - I'm kind of made with it - so to speak.

LRH: Mm-hm. It's fighting back?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: When was it installed?

PC: When I was first given the communications job.

LRH: Mm-hm. You been faithful to it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Tell me, is there any sex amongst these people?

PC: Of a type, but not sex as we know it.

LRH: No. Do you breathe air up there?

PC: No.

LRH: Do you eat food?

PC: Absorb it, is the thought I got, rather than ...

LRH: So it's an electronic body ...

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... with a mind.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Imagine that. What's the temperature in the domes?

PC: About 250 to 280.

LRH: 250 to 280 what?

PC: (laugh) I don't want to tell you! I guess you'd say centigrade. I don't know.

LRH: How does it feel on your skin? Feel about the same as this room feels on your skin? Cooler?

PC: Mm ...

LRH: Hotter?

PC: It's about the same, maybe a little warmer but certainly comfortable.

LRH: Mm-hm. That's more or less correct. What's on the back of the moon?

PC: People. Of a type - living organisms.

LRH: What's the number of the station on the back of the moon?

PC: Thirty-three!

LRH: That's correct. Okay.

And so we conclude this evening's lecture (audience laughter) and I wish to show you there - this is some of the action in which we have been involved and by the way, her answers are all correct. Very good. Very good show. You probably would have been shot tomorrow morning if you'd answered otherwise. (audience laughter)

PC: I'll probably be shot tomorrow morning or dismembered and put together again, anyways.

LRH: Why?

PC: For giving up some of this information.

LRH: Oh, no. No, it cleared through control central.

PC: Okay. I'll take your word for it, tonight.

Now, we're here talking about auditing, not politics. (audience laughter) And none of you people would, of course, be political pawns - naturally not. And some of the things which you experience and some of the conflicts which go on would, of course, be completely unbelievable to many, since it's supposed to be that way. But an auditor can break through any of this and break through it badly.

What will happen as a result of this is quite interesting. I would advise you, as soon as possible, to become as Clear as possible because ... Well, one never knows, does one? And it would be very, very nice to have on Earth a very sane society which was highly constructive and which was capable of carrying on without an impetus and without orders from elsewhere.

This would actually be just a monkey society if nobody had ever taken a hand in it, I suppose. But I'm not here to theorize and I'm not here to guess. I'm just talking to you about Dianetics and Scientology. And what I know about these things is, of course, very slight, and I hope that you will invest quite a bit of time in auditing.

And merely as an aside, in order to protect your preclear against suddenly having nightmares or something of the sort - regardless of whether you believe it or not or place any credence in it or not - just encourage him to knock off those bodies that he has that are extra bodies elsewhere. It's not that it's merely upsetting to the Martian regime; it is not that it is very effective in restoring his health, but you certainly cannot expect an individual who is pinned down someplace and can be put under pain from a remote distance, to become Clear. So just encourage him to knock them off.

Actually, they knock off relatively easily; the operation has been going on too long. And completely as aside, don't worry about flying saucers.

Thank you very much.