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QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, PART I

QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, PART II

A lecture given on 4 October 1953 by L. Ron HubbardA lecture given on 4 October 1953 by L. Ron Hubbard
60 MINUTES34 MINUTES

All right I usually just read these things on that sort of thing. Once in a while I get halfway through them and get embarrassed, but not ordinarily.

“How to start a family up that had some bad auditing in the early days.“

The first ones we’ll go into here – I won’t say I’ll get all of these but I’m going to give the earliest ones which I received first.

Well, lot of things you could do, but it’s mainly a communication problem. Very probably, if I were really interested in this problem – actually these things don’t solve in the absence of a great deal of interest because if you want to solve any problem in this universe, you have to put out effort. Takes effort to solve any of these things – real effort And if you just want to sit around and get a thought solution and you go bap and that goes into the machinery again – no.

Says, „Has the importance of assessment lessened with the latest techniques?“

But you take real effort, find a friend of theirs and explain the problem to the friend of theirs and then audit the friend of theirs and bring him up Tone Scale and demonstrate that this happened, and that brings them back in again. That’s establishing communication by picking up a communication relay point of theirs, making it yours and through that point shared, communicating.

Well, no. No, pathetic as it may seem, although you may gunshot a case very easily. I well recall about five months ago, more or less with the techniques which you’re using now, me processing a lady for four hours. I don’t want to talk about my auditing, but processing somebody for four hours is a long time unless I’m doing just research processing.

Oh, yes, this is wonderful: „Athletic directors require their athletes to exercise. Can Scientology reduce the time requirements for their physical training?“

And at the end of four hours I suddenly found out that although she could mock up everything in the world with great ease, she could not get a mock-up of her mother. And when asked to get a mock-up of her mother, she broke down and wept, I mean, just ping-pang. We blew the charge and that was the end of the case. But I would have picked that up on an E-Meter in the first five minutes of play if I’d done an assessment and if – merely asked her on the subject of creating and destroying, list of people, the standard people: Papa, Mama, so on. So I should have done an assessment on the case.

Well, yeah. Physical training is laughingly called, of athletes… You ever around a bunch of athletes? Well, honest Have you ever been around a bunch of athletes? You’ve seen them on the screen in the movies and so on, but have you ever really been around them? Boy, they’re always all bunged up. They’re in horrible shape. Every time I run into a bunch of athletes, why, this guy’s got his foot all taped up and fingers are all taped up here, and he’s got a strained muscle.

An assessment practically will always save you time as well as letting the preclear, possibly for the first time in his life, put out an anchor point He can say to somebody who’s fairly – who at least looks interested, so on, he can say, „Well, my family was mean to me.“ And the auditor doesn’t say immediately, „Well, my family was mean to me, too.“

And they’re like racehorses. They’ll get out there and they’ll really pitch, but they kind of like to hold up that sore fetlock, too. Very interesting, but they are quite delicate. You’d think they were; they are quite delicate. And they’re valuable, and they’re aware of this. And I think right there you have the answer to an athlete: The mock-up is too valuable. And they go around and start damaging it and this becomes terrific.

The importance of assessment has lessened to the degree that you can proceed on groups and on individuals without assessing. But if you want to save yourself a lot of time, a lot of energy and a lot of auditing, you will assess people still.

For instance, one day I saw an athlete – the only one who really got a tremendous ovation (talk about acceptance level) got a tremendous ovation from the crowd, was one who was damn fool enough to get spiked. And then bravely went back to bat with beautiful sadness. That was athletics.

And the best method of assessment I know, by the way, is the one which appeared in the Journal which is simply – goes down create and destroy on these various dynamics and that’s all hid out for you there in tine Journal.

Now, how would you reduce their physical training by… If anything, you’d push it, an athlete’s physical training, up above where it is. And as far as your own physical training is concerned, gee, don’t be afraid of knocks and bumps now. It doesn’t matter how many knocks and bumps and muscles you build now.

When you get to the point of destroying Christ, most people hardly quiver. But once in a while a person in very, very bad condition (a condition you wouldn’t suspect otherwise) will jump off the pin on an E-Meter. And just the idea of destroying Christ, they practically faint. You see, Christ actually is a method of – this is – I mean, this is therapy I’m talking about, the hell with religion – Christ is a method of wasting admiration on spirits.

Many of you, in handling Effort Processing and so on, have gotten kind of leery of packing in that much effort Actually, you’re effort hungry. You have to waste a lot of effort before you can have any. It really doesn’t matter how many knocks and bumps you get.

People are trying to waste in the MEST universe what they can’t have in their own universe. And if they can’t have admiration, they’ll waste it in various ways and they’ll finally get up to a point where they waste it on Christ and God. That means that they, as a thetan, are in terrible condition – I mean brutal condition. It just shouldn’t happen to somebody.

You ought to do something in life that is rough on you physically-rough to do. Oh, anything – go play handball once in a while or go swimming. That’s the accepted method of doing it I’ve taken up all sorts of things. One of the things I’ve been doing lately is ride muddycycles – murdercycles, they ordinarily call them. And they’re quite a fistful – and various things.

That’s why I sometimes smile on the subject of religion because it’s such an accurate index of exactly what’s happening to this poor preclear – this poor citizen, you see? He’s got to waste admiration on a spirit Well, boy, if he’s got to waste admiration on a spirit… And you start running this, by the way, on preclears and you’ll find very interesting material suddenly start to fly up.

The best thing I know of in terms of sheer labor is a yacht, a sailing yacht. I was handling a sailing yacht for a little while. But some years ago, when I was really handling sails and so forth, I used to have a very, very delicate little hand; the beautiful sadness of hand. I was very careful of my hands. I was a writer, you see, and if I bunged up my hands, I couldn’t write. They were a couple of athletes that had to be kept in blankets or something of the sort.

Waste ghosts. Nobody in this society today can have a ghost Science’s main throat-cut to the whole society is to say, „Now that we are scientific, we of course don’t believe in ghosts.“ And the preclear goes neyeaw.

And one day I said, „The dickens with this!“ and I went out and started in again, picked up something – I’d done a lot of motorboating earlier, but never any yachting with hawsers, you know, and ratlines and halyards and – gee-whiz.

One of the main things wrong with science today is the fact that it runs a „We can’t have,“ because it’s got a set communication system. And this very rigid, set communication system forbids many things, but the most important one is ghosts. You can always get a bang out of a preclear by wasting ghosts.

About three weeks of this and I looked at my hand, what was left of it – rope burns, calluses, and the palm had broadened out almost one finger width. You talk about an unexercised pair of hands, I really had a pair. A bellboy one time – I gave him a tip or something of the sort, and he looked at my hands and he said, „Well, haven’t you ever worked at anything?“

But when somebody is trying to get bade to battery, they go down the dynamics and they start wasting first themselves, and then they’ll start wasting the second dynamic and then the third dynamic and the fourth dynamic and the fifth, sixth. And you can run this case on an E-Meter and you’ll find out he went just in that progression. And when he gets to the point where he’s got to waste the seventh dynamic, he’s practically ready to be shut up in a small box. And that’s where religion enters.

I had worked at a lot of things, but I’d just never done any hard work with my hands. Just three weeks of yachting and I got another finger width on the palm.

And when they’re real, real, real bad off in sanitariums and so forth, they go around reading the Bible all the time – reading the Bible, reading the Bible hectically. They’re trying to waste that last fragment of admiration that they can waste. But the horrible part about it is, is you can’t waste admiration in that fashion therapeutically. If you try to waste it in real life, it doesn’t solve the case subjectively. And you see, it’s the more they waste, the more they want. You can’t waste it out in the MEST universe.

Well, a motorcycle – it’s never gotten any wider, but real tough. And after that, I never had any trouble with my hands typing – never. Just – I just forgot about it and my hands never got tired anymore. I had wasted them, you might say, enough in the body. You can waste in the body, like wasting energy in exercise and banging yourself around and so on. It works, because you’re mocking up the waste every time. You’re getting the same amount of energy back into it again; you’re actually building it up.

Perhaps this tells you immediately why or gives you some inkling of why you see so very much religion in a sanitarium. And religion is all right in its own place, but it doesn’t belong in a booby hatch. I don’t know if they’re capable of embarrassment, but I think it possibly might be embarrassing to some churches if they knew. There’s one church in particular, one in particular, that just lists the majority of the roster in sanitariums.

Well, an overt line of action which results in bumps and bangs for you in life is apparently desirable – not just tolerable, but apparently desirable. That’s the best way in the world to do mock-ups of action is to knock your body around because you’re in immediate contact with the state of the body. You could probably pick up other things the same way, if you were really good. You’d admire everything out before it hits.

That’s not a condemnation of the religion. It isn’t the religion doing this the way that we used to think Religion isn’t doing this. Religion just gives them a method – and somebody always invents some method – gives them a method to waste admiration of a thetan. That’s all there is to it.

The way I’d train a bunch of athletes is I would first make them waste bodies like mad until they got so bored with the idea of having to help this body that I would disabuse them of it That’s why they have to be retrained all the time. They become careful. Did you ever see a baseball team given new uniforms and immediately lose the game? Well, that’s the same thing.

So, if you start doing an assessment and you start running down the line on it and all of a sudden the idea of creating Christ or destroying Christ suddenly knocks that needle off the pin – you take it awful easy with that preclear. And if the biggest charge is on God, oh-oh, he’s got to waste the whole MEST universe, all the space and everything in it.

„What are the chronic illnesses that form the 30 percent you mention as not psychosomatic?“

Now, here’s the kind of a question I like to see: „In the beginning I was full of questions. I faced myself, Q and A, and found the answer is ‘Thank you.’ „

Well, I’m sure you’ve been asked this question, and you can refer it to the same place I’m going to. This statement is on the authority of Morris Fishcake – I beg your pardon, Fishtwine – Morris Fishtwine. And he has classified that and made that statement and it’s been made in many medical books, and it’s a fairly standard everybody-knows-that statement, see? And I just took it from there. I took it from authority. And I’ve never explored it because frankly it’s closer to 100 percent.

Here’s how to run a bracket, the basic way to run a bracket.

But it sounds good, and you’ve got to take a certain amount from the society if you want to agree with it And the doctors all agree with this. Everybody agrees with it I don’t know where they got the figure and I don’t know what the ills are that are chronic. I’ve never found one myself, except having one’s head removed. I would say that was chronic.

There are several progressive complexities of bracket The first part of a bracket, the most important part, is to run it for yourself, and then somebody else running it for himself, and then other people running it for other people. How would you do that? People have a little trouble with this bracket once in a while, but it’s essentially very easy.

I suppose there’s other chronic illnesses. I don’t know whether parts of the body will rebuild or not Auditors have hazarded that and they’re working on it; they’re trying to figure it out Trying to get the third tooth to grow where a tooth’s been pulled, trying to get this to happen and that to happen and trying to get a finger to grow, something like that.

You have your preclear – let’s take admiration for stealing a baby. That’s a complicated one a little bit, more than other ones. Well, you’d have the preclear mock up below him and looking up at him, just hordes of people, no matter how poorly these mock-ups were, these hordes of people looking up at him, admiring him for stealing a baby.

People’s limbs have lengthened two, three, four inches; their spines have lengthened, their height’s grown. And I’ve seen places on the body fill in where chunks had been pulled out But I haven’t seen a whole limb grow, or I haven’t seen half a limb grow, I mean, and complete itself and be a full limb again.

Then you’d say, „Now get somebody else in front of you. Now have them mock up hordes of people admiring them for stealing a baby.“ Now, that’s the two basic points.

I don’t know. Possibly something to do with structural pattern or the bud or something has to be implanted along the line or something. One of these days we’ll find out what that is and then we’ll all have two heads.

Now, the next point would be „Get two people out in front of you or a lot of people out in front of you, and have half of them admire the other half of them for stealing a baby, or have one of these people mock up a lot of people admiring the other one for stealing a baby.“ You follow that? You’ve got two people out here and you have this person mock up a lot of people admiring the other person for stealing a baby.

„Should a Step V who needs energy and can mock up a flow of energy or generate a flow of energy coming in from the outside or a point use this source of energy continuously as long as it’s proving beneficial?“ (Which apparently is.)

Now, you go over on this side and you have this person over here mock up a lot of people admiring the other person for stealing a baby. This is the most complex bracket there is.

Well, I don’t know. Any way you solve energy starvation, you solve energy starvation. Except I must say this is a mighty quiet way to do it And I frankly don’t think this Step V is mocking up this energy. I just think he’s pulling it out of the bank. Pretty soon there won’t be any left of the bank; then he’ll be a Step VI.

Now, I’m going on with that bracket We really want to extend this bracket out to the end product of all brackets. All right We have the preclear then mock up a lot of people admiring somebody else for having stolen a baby. We then get the preclear to mock up somebody else who is mocking up an awful lot of people admiring the preclear for having stolen a baby.

Oh, you sit down during a session – you don’t use the energy that comes in, you just sit down during a session and mock up energy.

And then if you want to really finish off a bracket and knock off all this manifestation in para-Scientology that we call bodies in pawn and so forth, you get somebody way out there running the same whole set – the whole bracket – somebody sitting way out there. First for himself, then mocking – this person way out there setting up somebody else who sets up all these people admiring himself. You get this backwards bracket?

„The dietitian recommending organic foods claim the function of the MEST body can improve measurably.“

That’s a mirror effect Now, that’s very fascinating. Every once in a while somebody’s got this spooky notion that there’s somebody out there. And the joker is, of course, there is. So he can get that somebody out there identified with people in the MEST universe and so he feels in ARC with these people.

Oh, sure, sure. You can fool the cells into thinking that MEST is important to them. You know, I was going to do this while I was here – I didn’t do this – I was going to show you that the MEST body had the same mechanical aspect as a motor by simply bringing a motor and a pretty girl up here and showing you the two. But I didn’t do this because I remembered that it wasn’t Los Angeles and… (laughter)

That’s the only reason people stay in the MEST environment, is they get split in half, or that is to say, there’s somebody else that is them, too. This is an interesting manifestation that you needn’t bother with. It’s not terribly important; it’s not terribly interesting.

So, the fact of the matter is that you’re running a carbon-oxygen motor. And it runs at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit, and it has a certain requirement of water and a certain requirement of air, of course – carbon and oxygen. And it’s just a motor, and it happens to have a lot of living parts, which each one is a motor. And it just runs. And you pour the gasoline into the tank and you step on the starter – -pam. And when you’ve stepped on the starter, the motor turns over and the drives drive the rear wheel, and the rear wheel goes around and you put it in gear and away she goes.

But you’ll get preclears obsessed with it There’s somebody out there. This witch doctor that ran this patient’s life all the time. That was just a mock-up of a something else out there. Bodies in pawn as they show up are just that sort of thing. You see how that is?

Carbon-oxygen engine. Same thing as a motor vehicle. There’s nothing strange about either one of these except one’s a biological engine and the other is running on biology which occurred some millions of years ago. Remember that gasoline is a biological product – not a MEST product.

You want to run a bracket, a simple bracket that just runs, have the preclear mock up a lot of people admiring him for stealing a baby. Have him mock up somebody else who then mocks up a lot of people admiring this mock-up for having stolen a baby. And then other people mocking up lots of people admiring somebody else for stealing a baby, and then reversewise, out there, a lot of people being mocked up for the person who did the mock-up first And that’s a bracket That takes care of all flows and adjustments. You don’t have to worry too much about that.

Alcohol is a biological product, not a MEST product. The only fuel they’ve run into which is apparently strictly inorganic is the atom bomb. And I’m afraid to look too close at that thing because I’m not real up Tone Scale enough to sit in the middle of one of those blasts yet. The government doesn’t tell me, too, when they’re going to set one of them off, so I can’t make the test. I’ll make the test with a preclear one of these days, but… (laughter)

But, by the way, a case will hang up – speaking of brackets, there’s probably a lot of questions in here about brackets – a case will hang up if self is run pam, pam, pam, pam, pam, pam, and all of a sudden the case goes chug. And you wonder what’s the matter with this person? You’re just getting a worse somatic and a worse somatic and a worse somatic, and nothing is happening. Well, you just haven’t run the rest of the bracket.

„How do you help the preclear to determine what his goal is?“

And it’s very interesting that you’ll run this case for a while, and „Well, we’ll have somebody else run this out in front; we’ll get somebody else mocking up this and that,“ and so on. Pam, pam, pam – all of a sudden, it’ll go chug chug, grrrrr. And so you get others mocking it up for others and all of a sudden there’s a complete relief along the line.

Well, there is a process known as Future Processing where you merely have the preclear start mocking up horrible futures. And all of his goals will shake loose. Just have him mock it up in brackets.

It’s an empirical datum; it merely follows the pattern of flows. I figured it out from – just sat down and figured out pencil-lined flows, where all the flows would be, and then can – didn’t think about it after that Noticed preclears were bogging, then just tested it out and ran another part of the bracket Noticed they still bog and figured out the other part of the bracket, ran that and they stopped bogging.

This is the neatest little technique you ever ran into. There are lots of techniques, but you’ll find that the first time he says, „Well, I couldn’t think of anything in the future like that,“ you say, „Well, get yourself in the future sitting under a tree.“

You can run practically anything this way because it takes care of the overt act and the motivator, the DED and the DEDEX. And it takes care, more or less, of two – the other fellow’s and one’s own – universes.

„Ah, but there’s ants.“

Don’t comprehend this one. It says something about a European degree setup. That is very definitely in the works. Matter of fact I’m back here getting the wheels under it but I am not prepared to announce anything about that now.

So on. You’ll find he can’t go into the future. Anyway, you just keep mocking it up on gradient scales into the future until he’s better and better and better in the future.

„Now, on Expanded GITA: Is wasting, alone, run in brackets, or is accepting under duress, wanting, taking and so forth run in brackets also?“

And all of a sudden – pam. He’ll say, „What do you know? I used to be – want to be a Pullman car conductor; that was my prime ambition,“ and so forth. „I guess that’s why I’ve been trying to get you to run birth on me.“

Yes, everything is run in brackets. You have Waste in brackets, Accept in brackets. Now, I’ll give you another little one in there. There’s another little one in there: Save in brackets.

Only reason I said that is because I just thought of it. But it’ll show up his goals.

Save is a lock-up that comes between wasting and accepting. A save is, „I can’t accept it and I can’t waste it“ I wouldn’t say that your grandmother or somebody like that was loopy for saving everything, but she sure was hanging up on about the biggest maybe there is which is: „I can’t have it,“ see, „and I can’t accept it, I can’t waste it and I don’t dare give it away.“

If you wanted to orient somebody on goals and you started looking over an E-Meter, don’t look for logical goals. Look for the most ordinary and foolish articles such as automobile tires, wash pans, windows, houses, cats. Cats is even too logical. They’re MEST objects – most of them.

Something for you to remember what saving is. Go down and look at these big banks. They get people to saving money. I haven’t the least idea why anybody ever saves any money – really don’t.

I don’t think there’s a preclear alive who does not have and who cannot give you on the E-Meter a MEST object It’s his goal to be a ____ (and some kind of a MEST object like a diamond ring or a brass spittoon or anything you can think of). The darnedest things.

I was raised in the hard school in the US – the real tough school. That’s just to say, one depression. And I saw people who had worked and worked and worked all their lives up till 1929, Black Friday – crash, all their savings gone, and then we entered the Great Depression. And Frankie, that was a fellow we had back then – a fellow by the name of Frankie. He fixed it up so that all the little banks in the country that were sound could be bought up by all the big banking chains which then went crash and there, that was the rest of the country’s savings – 1932. And people who had saved all their lives were destitute.

Every once in a while a preclear will get a sudden startled picture-very, very brilliant, of this beautiful object, and then he doesn’t get it anymore. Oh-oh. You just ran into what – the thing that won – that he would be if he could. Oh, this is very interesting.

Oh, they just got their savings at first, by the way. The second big sweep was what was known as – they got big casino that time. They got their checking accounts. Ah, that was a great swindle. That was a great swindle. They really had boys back in those days – Scarface Al Capone, so on. There were a lot of them – FDR. Anyway. They really took a beating.

I ran into a preclear one time that couldn’t emanate, because he was trying to be a sun. And you’d think it was semantics, you know, semantically messed up – he was trying to be his mother and father’s son. This was not true.

And I, ever since, have looked at this business of saving just in an effort to find out what was happening. I find out what happens: They get people to save things and then they get this big pile of masonry and they get bigger piles of masonry and bigger piles of masonry and fancier front offices and more people save and they get bigger piles of masonry and bigger front offices. „Saving is security“ is a motto that they put up in front of these buildings, and boy, it sure is, for the bank.

He had just been boiled and baked so solidly and so hard by the sun that the sun had won and, when you ask him to put out flitter, all he could do was kind of try to go into the valence of the sun in order to put out sunbeams. And he didn’t have any idea whatsoever of flitter. And, as I say, he was trying to make his flitter do what sunbeams did. And of course it didn’t work at all That’s all right We just processed him some more on SOP 8.

And Philadelphia is quite interesting this way. The only nice buildings they have in Philadelphia are erected by the pennies that are saved in savings accounts. So I don’t see any beautiful homes erected by savings accounts but I do see a lot of nice banks. So saving isn’t bad; it’s just bad for people.

„How do you help him determine what his goal is?“

But a man’s security in the future, his security, is dependent upon his own ability to continue to use effort, and that’s his security. And really, when that fails, he gets an emotional insecurity within himself which hasn’t really anything to do with the financial problems with which he’s faced. His bank just starts collapsing.

Well, that’s what I say. You can start running just futures in brackets and his goals will show up – easiest way I know of.

When he becomes unwilling or unable to use effort, he can no longer feel secure, of course, because security is based upon the ability to use effort And you’ll see this working out numerous ways. The „can’t work,“ as I said often, is the common denominator of neurosis and psychosis. They can’t work.

„Please elaborate more on Child Scientology and special tricks you’ve picked up.“

Well, when they answer this – when they answer this with this relatively weird computation of „We will save,“ they’re just working it all backwards again. If you were to have saved ten dollars in 1938, and you took it out of the bank today at 2 percent interest, you would find yourself with ten dollars which would buy about one-quarter of the commodity or one-eighth of the commodity and you’ve made 2 percent or 8 percent or 12 percent or, I don’t know, you might have made quite a bit of percentage. You might have made twenty bucks out of this ten dollars in 1938. But now it costs you a hundred bucks to buy the same commodity. Why didn’t you buy a diamond ring or why didn’t you buy a watch or why didn’t you just go down to the corner and give it to a beggar and think of all the time you would have saved yourself.

Well, truth of the matter is that one of withdrawing from the child is very interesting. And special mock-ups for the child, as long as you’re not giving the child stories, is very interesting. You just give him separate mock-ups. You can process whole classes of children without anybody ever suspecting you’re processing them, just by giving them mock-ups. And it’s happy – pleasant sort of an undertaking, and they all get well.

When you start to save, you begin to worry about the fact that you might not be able to work someday. You can always work. They need switchmen down at – they need train watchers and so on. The streets are dirty and there’s all sorts of things a guy can do, actually – probably much more interesting than you’re doing now.

As far as special tricks is concerned, the child follows through SOP 8, better, if anything, than an adult And he just runs beautifully on SOP 8 – just gorgeously. You don’t really need any special tricks, but just remember this: His attention span is so brief that you may have had his attention span while you are still trying to get his attention. You may have had it the first time.

You’ll find the entrepreneur is an interesting character in the society. He’s the manager who is the promoter – the entrepreneur. Society really hasn’t taken a good look at him. But it’s the entrepreneur usually who has the beautiful home and the fleet of cars and the warm – and hot-running secretaries. These people will look at this person and they’ll say he’s a capitalist And the poor guy really hasn’t got a dime in the bank. He’s really poor. And he – it’s just his ability and he just goes on at this level of ability.

And what do you do? You just skip it that day. You pick it up the next day. A child’s attention span is so tiny. It might go into two minutes, if you’re lucky. That’s a long attention span for a child.

A fellow by the name of Lucky Baldwin has left huge piles of masonry and racetracks all over California And it’s doubtful if old Lucky Baldwin could ever write an acceptable check at the end of a week. The man was just – his effort was rewarded continually. No worries – he just spent every dime he ever got his hands on. And, I think, toward the end, that somebody – he fell down on something or other and he was finished completely before he ever didn’t have any money.

In the schools, Self Analysis is normally given for about ten minutes. And the total period of processing is about twenty minutes. That’s – would be a few minutes to get the children quiet enough to give them the first mock-up, then ten minutes of mock-ups, and then a few minutes giving them the end-of-session processing – the last list in Self Analysis.

Don’t worry. Capitalism today will take care of you if you’ve got an awful lot of money and you’re suddenly unable to work; they’ll take care of you. You suddenly get unable to work, how are you going to defend this money? The government won’t; they take it away from you. They say, „That fellow’s got money. Ha! Where’s the officers of the law? Let’s…“

You could get twenty minutes’ worth out of this. It’s just terrific, I mean, taking all the steps necessary in returning them to class or sending them out for recess afterwards. Twenty minutes, and that’s on children in the third grade.

How about having – I didn’t mean to get off on an economic dissertation. I wanted – I’ve been trying to beat home covertly and surreptitiously during this congress – one datum is: The unwillingness to put out effort is the root of evil – if anything can be said to be. It’s the unwillingness to exert effort – unwillingness to put out and receive in anchor points – effort And this is mirrored in every strata of life. And the decline of a society is measured by the amount they have to save and the littleness they hope to do.

So what do you expect the attention span of a little baby is? Actually, a little baby will give you quite a bit of attention, but in little brief spans. And the second you try to crowd the baby to give you more attention, it’s just-the baby can’t tolerate it. They just don’t have the ability to look at you any longer than they look at you.

„How about having real communication in our organization? Specifically, a directing of members complete with full…“

And parents who will get impatient about this and they’ll sit a kid down and they’ll start talking to the kid. Well, their act of getting the kid to sit down has normally exhausted the kid’s attention span and the kid isn’t there all the time they’re talking. The kid is just gone; he just can’t fix on them. He just disperses all over the place or something.

A directory! Well, you’re sure going to get that „… complete with addresses and distributed amongst the members and also a regular monthly newspaper to contain news from, about and by the field.“

You sort of have to get it in quick with a kid. You give him some kind of a snap of some sort or something that alerts them. You shake him by the hand – make a motion toward him and shake him by the hand and say, „Can you get a picture of a dog?“ Thuhhnt! And then he goes off playing with his toys. He’s had his processing for the day.

Okay. Okay.

I’ve told you about cases that this answers: „How about techniques for processing individual who cannot communicate due to physical…“ (Hey, what do you know?) „… due to physical reasons such as cerebral palsy and mongoloid cases?“

You know, every once in a while somebody gets this beautiful dream. And it’s a wonderful dream. And you send out letters to people in the field who should send you letters to tell you what they were doing. The columns sit there empty. You’re writing to people who obviously can’t put out anchor points, I guess. Because you never get any news from the field to include in it because nobody sends you any.

I’ve told you how to do that In a little section in a recent issue of the Journal under a heading, „The Old Man’s Case Book,“ I think you’ve got the data on that.

Now, somebody can excuse this and say it’s because you wouldn’t print it if it were sent. Well, believe me, I have printed a lot more than I have ever received from the field.

It’s just withdraw – you withdraw from them slightly and make them – make them reach for you. Just wait for them to reach for you and then withdraw slightly, so on. That’s the technique. It just doesn’t look like much of a technique to you. I know it should be rigged up there with them big wheels run by that big robot But that’s the technique. And don’t think it isn’t effective.

I had had one of the editors indoctrinated into making enough complaints in the mails. The early issues of the Journal, by the way, contain alternate letters which are complaints. We just never receive complaints to amount to anything, and people love to read complaints. So he kept saying, „But nobody’s complaining about anything.“

„Do you plan to train auditors specifically for work with children?“

And so I said, „Well, get in a foul mood some night and write us half a hundred letters and we’ll just draw on these.“ We did. Nobody complains. Most of the news coming in is very pleasant But there’s a lot of it that I would like to have and people send it in – gorgeous.

No.

Now – also asks about the various steps necessary qualifying for the degrees.

„Is there any material now available for work with children?“

Well, we’ve been starving along on this against the time when we would have everything set up to accommodate for that rather than announce it first as I used to.

Yeah, SOP 8.

I’m finding a wonderful facility these days for sitting exactly on the time track, you know? Ptock. And people rush up to me and they say, „Why don’t you do something…“

No. I don’t plan to train auditors specifically for work with children, mostly because I would have a tendency to get auditors to process children so that auditors would understand auditing, because you can find amongst children, with great rapidity, all of the manifestations you’ll find in all older ages. And more than that, you get a great deal of action and you get considerable response and you get a considerable quantity of phenomena.

See, and it’s on the time track ten days away. That’s up there.

You ask this kid something or other and it just runs easily. When I use children on this course that’s just coming up, it will be for that reason – not to train them how to audit children.

„Well, yes, but they got to get ready for it.“

You know there’s people think children are a different breed. They’re Homo sapiens. Except if their parents have really resisted their survival, they’re psychos. And everybody knows children act like that, so nobody pays any attention.

„No, ten days away is when we start planning it.“

You go down the street here and you see more six-, eight-, ten-, twelve-year-old kids that are strictly batty. They’re just not there. They’re just not functioning. They’re out of coordination. And you say, „Good heavens! Out of a sanitarium, too.“ There’s this little kid going down the street and he’s just in a terrifically distracted, disassociated, agitated frame of mind. He’s – can’t make it.

It’s very funny, if you’re not terribly concerned about it, you start operating on a hairline with time. You’re not very concerned about it; you find out that a feeling of hecticness that you might otherwise have departs. You know, you’re trying to crowd that time track, you know – so little time to get in and so on. And you go back and find out that all the crowding of the time track ever did was to get you to do less because you wasted all of your effort in pushing against time and it’s awfully unresistive.

And the parents say, „Well, if we just beat him up a little bit more, why, he’ll get over that nervousness.“

If you want to get a preclear feeling very funny, you say, „All right Now, get a large area of nothing.“ „Okay.“ „Now, get the idea you’re fighting it.“ That’s the MEST universe par excellence.

Well, the truth of the matter is the child has a physical imbalance and difficulty with physical controls, so on, up to the age of puberty. People say that puberty keys in all their engrams or something of the sort, and well, this is true, it does that, too, but it also keys in their controls. And it also, many times, will bring them back sanity.

When people’s voices start coming at you, and people are quarreling with you verbally, so forth, people get that same feeling. It’s the identical feeling, you see, because they’re fighting nothing. And they just feel like they’re falling on their faces and everybody goes downscale and everything else.

How would you like to live for that many years without any androgen, no glandular extracts to amount to anything, body completely out of – imbalance; it’s just unable to function. It hasn’t grown up. It’s not formed. It’s like trying to cross bridges that are still built out of scaffolding. You get the idea. So they don’t hang together well.

The way to fight is just hit somebody! I mean, don’t fight nothing – fall into that trap. Or don’t fight! Or if you fight, why, just fight. But fighting is not bandying words around and so on. A lot of people have got this so bad that that’s all they’ll do is bandy words. And you say, „Well, let’s get the brass knuckles!“ Or, „All right, what’s the matter with a couple of can openers at ten feet?“

And then people start punching them around because they don’t handle themselves well. They spill things or they fall down or something happens to the child, and then people got to punish the child and – to make them listen. And the child is in this world of giants, and he just goes crazy, that’s all. And they think, „Well, that’s the way children act. You see these kids out there playing, hitting each other over the head with dubs and so forth.“

This is terrifically visible in bullfighting. They get the bull to fight the picador. And the bull fights the picador by plowing in with those horns, see? And he’s got a good, solid horse in front of him and a good solid man in front of him. And boy, he really shoves and very often the horse goes down and the bull’s horns… Of course, that horse is terrifically padded and shielded, and it’s quite often, though, the bull’s horns will penetrate those quilts and shields and disembowel the horse and smash the rider back down against the fence and so on. That bull’s got a lot of drive.

And you look at these kids – and the parents say, „Well, that’s just the way they play. I mean, just like children. That’s normal.“ Well, it may be normal, but it’s not good.

But all the time he’s driving, Mr. Picador has a double-pronged spear that he’s mounted in the bull’s spine at a very tender spot at the base of the neck, and he just leans on that spear hard, see? The audience will boo if two picadors in a row put their spears in the same places on the bull’s back so as to cause fountains of blood. The audience doesn’t like this because it takes too much fight out of the bull.

You’ll see a bunch of kids that are in good shape. If you can get a kid out of hysterical merry-go-round for a short time – just isolate him for a little while, give him some space and give him a little bit of comm – all of a sudden, he’ll heave a sigh of relief and he’ll start to get healthy and he’ll start to grow and he’ll get cheerful about life and he’ll get pleasant and he can handle his body. He stops falling on his face. But you leave him in hysteria and punishment and upset and being responsible for all…

But the point is they give him a nice big engram and there he’s fighting something, you see, in getting this engram. After that, people come up and throw these banderillas, they just mount these banderillas into his back – two-spiked sticks. They come all up in front of him and drive them into his back and sail away. And then they give him capes and more capes and more capes, and it’s just nothing. He’s just fighting nothing, you see, from there on.

How would you like to go around – supposing you were unable to carry a glass of water and you knew you would get beaten if you spilled it? And people made you carry it and you kept spilling it. And yet you had to be responsible for this glass of water, but you couldn’t manage it or handle it? You’d get pretty daffy after a while. Well, it’s that situation in all of its guises which is faced by all children and which has been faced by all preclears.

What’s he fighting? He’s fighting the engram the picador gave him. It’s the most beautiful – gruesomely beautiful example of what an engram is and what it can do.

Children aren’t sane in the run. You have to be a pretty good auditor to audit children. You have to be a lot of person to handle kids. You can’t be any sissy to handle kids. They just don’t respond to it at all.

After that, he won’t buck and the harder – the more you give him fighting nothing, the sicker he gets. The bull, just before he’s killed, is about the sickest, scaredest animal you ever saw.

I don’t know how you do it. You just say, Tour attention, please.“ And they kind of come out that way. And then you suddenly say, „Pow, pow, pow,“ whatever you want them to do and so forth. And they do it. And they’re squared around. And you’ve audited them. And that’s about that. It’s terrifically fast results. But it’s like processing in an insane asylum, except it’s very, very pleasant and very cheerful, and they’re really not crazy. They just can’t get aligned. Boy, do they do weird things as thetans, too. Fabulous!

America would not go for bullfights at all. Not because they’re too bloody, but because they’re too monotonous. It’s the same bullfight.

And then every once in a while this kid comes into the sudden realization that he’s sorry; his difficulty is just handling the body and he’ll look at you kind of embarrassed and he knows he’s not a kid. And he’s known that off and on all the time. You can spin almost any kid by asking him, „Who are you, really?“ And he’ll look kind of haunted. Because very early in life, they have straight recall, except nobody validates it. And they don’t think it’s odd and they never mention it.

Once in a while, you get a really good matador, and they’re quite rare and they do fabulous things. They are fantastic. And to watch one of those boys at work, knowing very well the work is quite dangerous, is something that you just stand and hold your breath over. Because they will fix the bull the second the bull comes into the arena – no engram yet And they will do such things as kneel in the middle of the arena with a red cape wrapped around their knees and just wait for the bull. And the bull will see that red cape and come up like an express train and go right straight through them. They’re not there at the moment the bull hits.

One little girl walked up to a parson one day in the church, and she was five years old and she was carrying just a little bag, her doll in her other hand. And she says, „Sir, would you please call Townsend,“ (a town near there) „and find out if my husband and children are all right.“ And he did. The description she gave him, the names she gave him, everything is fine. She’d never been up there.

And then they go through a process of hypnotizing the bull after the engram and so forth. A toreador will – or a matador will fix him – just fix him and then make him come ahead two steps. And then fix him again. And it’s fascinating. They’ll just make the bull do anything. But that is a magnificent matador. That’s the top – the cream of the cream.

And he came back and told her, „They’re fine.“

The rest of the boys and most of the fellows you see doing matador work and so on, they’re poor. They’re quick – poor. They turn around before they’ve adequately fixed the bull and walk five paces away to bow to the audience and the bull says, „Well, to hell with him!“ see, and comes in under him and throws him in the air!

„I’m so glad; I was so worried about them,“ and immediately became a five-year-old child.

But it’s interesting too, commenting on that, because quite a few people have mentioned it to me – that here’s a society which every day is perfectly willing to waste killing. And there’s a society that is perfectly willing to sit around and watch the killing.

They have a lot of these cases on record. This person just had a little bit of responsibility for leaving those eight kids behind and dying at the age of forty-five or something without raising all of them.

Every time you eat a steak, there was a fellow down there at the slaughterhouse – he stood up alongside of a chute with a baseball bat and hit the cow on the head, pong. And they come through, they hit them in the head. In other words, you’re wasting killing of meat.

„How would you handle a displaced person who suffered severe trauma in concentration camps, but does not appear to be psychotic? Oh, they act with extreme hostility and aggression, have very low frustrat….“

And if you were to check over the society at all, you would find out that very few people had any comprehension of this interesting item: that every time you eat meat, an animal had to die. And you’re eating the meat at some very late, late, later date than it was killed and you’re eating carrion. The meat is really no good unless it’s still alive to eat. It’s the only time it’s got any admiration in it and that’s all you’re really – you’re looking for.

Oh, you’ve got a case of terrific starvation and every other thing. Just enclosed space and nothing you can do about it. You might as well ask, „What do you do with a person who has been put in a penitentiary by the government?“ What do you do for them?

And meat which is killed in fear – meat of an animal which was afraid when it died has a terrifically foul flavor. A lot of your Western beef and so forth has that flavor in it That animal was in terror when killed. And yet here sits around people saying, „I love animals!" Chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp!

They’re in a situation of fixed space. So you’ve got to unfix the spatial situation. And how do you do that? Just get them to put out and pull in anchor points. SOP 8, Six Steps to Better Beingness, SOP 8-L.

Your vegetarian – your vegetarian thinks to get around this and argues against eating meat, which is carrion, by eating live cells – eating raw vegetables. In other words, the food is still alive. Raw vegetables are very delicious.

„Please differentiate between anchor points, dimension points and terminals.“

If you left little kids alone, very few of them would ever get into eating meat. They would eat raw vegetables preferably because they’re, of course, quite admiring. You take a stalk of celery and carrot, something like that, before it’s been cooked. But when they get older, they want to make sure it’s dead, so they boil it and so on.

Terminals is the end of a communication line or it’s a communication line potential. In other words, this is a terminal – this is a terminal because it’s – even though it weren’t connected, it would still be a terminal, because it has a communication potential, so on.

You see, what’s amusing is there’s apparently no food value in any of this. There’s a sensation value and so on. I’m not quite sure, but I know I like to eat But it’s just something you like to do.

An anchor point – these pieces of paper which I have here, you might look on them at once as anchor points, your anchor points and terminals, because they’re talking – these pieces of paper. And when you get an anchor point – an anchor point is something which encloses an extremity of a certain space.

And then people get obsessive about it They think they have to eat Of course, a person who thinks he has to eat and then can’t eat and starts starving, oh, he gets in terrible shape. And you can almost tell a family that has not fed their children well by looking over some fellow. He’s funny about food. He’s upset about food.

A dimension point would of course do the same thing, but you get masses of dimension points. Therefore you get form. But you could call, as I did in the Doctorate Courses, anchor points dimension points, because any point encloses an extremity of an individual space. That’s true, isn’t it?

And you get any of your preclears coming by, one after the other, you’ll find out that the preclears that you get would normally come to you, each one has had familial upset about food – not Mama (very young) – but just about food, about hamburgers and vegetables and so on. This kid has been bullied about food. It’s a center aberration because it’s the first decline of man into debasement.

Male voice: Viewpoint.

I’m not saying stop eating, but stop being so serious about eating. It’s not very serious. That GE that built the bull, he just goes back and builds another bull Probably this bull, probably, has enough of a shock left in him – you see, he probably has enough shock left in him that he’ll never be selected for the bullring again. So the race survives.

Well, a viewpoint is just a geographical location within space which does or does not have any physical point connected with it A viewpoint can be completely missing as far as anything with which to view is concerned. This is a viewpoint There’s no point there, but it could be a viewpoint. That isn’t tough.

„How can an occluded case get any certainty on a mock-up when he’s not sure that merely getting the concept of a mock-up is out there? Will such be of any value? How can an occluded case get any certainty on a mock-up when he’s not sure that merely getting the concept that a mock-up is out there will be of any value?“

You just look at viewpoint of dimension and get those anchor points pinned out there and you’ll see then if you pushed them all together, you would have mass. And this mass, of course, you could say at that moment, was being made out of dimension points.

Oh, I see. This business of put a mock-up, put a mock-up, put a mock-up out there – but you’re talking about an occluded case. In high-level processing today, we don’t talk about an occluded case getting mock-ups.

But every one of those things is a terminal, too, because it’s a point from which potentially you could communicate. But you know what I’m talking about It’s just a point. What are you doing? We’re just trying to classify classes of points. A point is a point A point doesn’t have mass or it does have mass. Well, that’s the critical description of a point A point either has no mass – which is, the most it could be would be a potential of mass. It’s not tough. Okay.

I can tell you how to get occluded cases to get mock-ups and so forth. Well, there are dozens of ways of running occlusion. The hottest one of running occlusion is: Get all of that blackness out there as a something, and then the answer as a nothing. We haven’t come away from Something-Nothingness Processing with Q and A.

„How does an aberrated thetan arrive at the conclusion that he is nothing in the physical universe?“

Get all that blackness as a something, and then get himself looking at it as a nothing. Get the blackness – re-turned around, in other words – turn it around as a nothing. If he can’t turn it around, just leave it there and say it’s now nothing. It’s something-nothing.

I don’t know. Sometime run some Nothing, and that question would be immediately answered. That’s all. It’s just space is nothing, and that’s the first thing he’s run into, and that’s lots of it, and he’s space, and he just identified himself as nothing.

Because that’s the big question: It’s black so you can’t see it, but is there something in it? And that’s the type of maybe, so people get into that maybe and there goes the case. So you don’t worry about this fellow.

Actually, he is something in connection with the physical universe but he’s not what we have in the physical universe that we call a physical something. We call a physical something M-E-S-T and he’s not any one of these things. So therefore, he’s nothing. But he can be something; he can create something.

You solve the blackness with this and then you get it as silent And then silent is the answer. And you solve it in this fashion and then he gets mock-ups. It’s very easy. You don’t have to get mock-ups to exteriorize anybody anymore, actually.

„What do you do exactly to establish what the pc will accept?“

Actually, there are a few auditors around – I don’t do this because I consider that it’s impolite. Sometimes it makes it feel like a piece of skull is coming off or something of the sort But there are some auditors around, actually, that simply reach over and grab ahold of the thetan and yank. They got a Theta Clear. Kind of uncomfortable but the person gets pretty good certainty on having been exteriorized. Of course he gets back into this mess again and he’ll bog down some more but he knows something happened to him.

Oh, you’re having an awful time with that. All you have to do – all you have to do is just start feeding him the most loathsome things you can think of, and at the moment when a pleased smile comes over his face, you’ve got it.

You can maintain an occluded case’s interest in processing very easily. You don’t use mock-ups of it. Whoever wrote this question believes that mock-ups are the center of processing, that’s because probably he’s concerned about mock-ups. He can’t get them. If you’ll just run that „Blackness is a something“ as a question: „Something?“ and then himself, Nothing, he’s got that maybe apart.

You can’t think of things loathsome enough to be acceptable to a lot of people that you’d run into down here in the street And they’ll just sort of boredly take them. Well, don’t think you’ve got to pep it up or make it more exciting; make it more dull, if anything, and just more gruesome.

Q and A, you see, can go from – not an identity but two different things like a Something-Nothing. But it isn’t advisable to do that on anything less than just Something-Nothing. The blackness is „Something?“ And then turn it around as Nothing as the answer because that’s relief.

For instance, you’ll find out that somebody couldn’t accept beer, but they might accept warm beer. Now they’re getting a little bit more interesting. And now they might accept warm beer with ground glass in it – vaguely acceptable. Beer with strychnine in it, and they start to smile.

By the way, before I forget it – before I forget it, you’re going to find some cases around that ought to be run this way – they ought to be run this way. They’ve been in Dianetics a long time, been in Scientology a long time, and you want to wrap up the case and you aren’t getting anywhere much with what you’re doing. This case is still fighting around. Well, you will remember that the case – yeah, this is – you run into a lot of those people. Yes. All right

Well, beer with strychnine and several unmentionable things in it, „Gee, that’s real good, yeah!“ I mean, how did they say it’s real good? You just get the fact that this mock-up moves in.

Cycle of Action Processing. Get the idea of a cycle of action. You know, a person wants to finish those cycles of action. I told you about that in the lectures. So they didn’t run out the engram. So they’ve got to finish the cycle of action. And how do you do this? You get the engram – nothing. That’s the end of the cycle of action. All right

You see, they just accept the mock-up and they’re very pleased about it and they’re very – quite relieved about it. And they can keep mocking them up and they’re mocking it up, mocking it up.

„Get that picture you were trying to work with?“ „Now get nothing of it“ „Now get present time.“ „Now get the erasure of an engram, just as a concept“ See?

All of a sudden they say, „I’m not interested in that anymore.“ Well, they’ve actually gotten bored with it They had a hunger for it.

And then get this in a bracket. And you’ve finished off the cycle of action of every session they’ve had, see? An engram and nothing of it – that is to say, erased, nothing – is a very silly thing because all you’re doing is running nothings. But it’s running nothings with the idea in them, and they’re still disturbed and still chewing up against this engram they never erased and so on. This is a highly specialized technique. You’d never bother to use this on the public.

But when I say, „for if – take alcohol. All right We get an alcoholic down the street We say, „All right Mock up some alcohol.“

You just say, „Now get running an engram and nothing.“ And „Get the feeling of present time.“ You know, „Now get the feeling of being back on the track and then present time,“ and so on. That cares for all the times they didn’t come back to present time when some auditor stuck them down the bank. And if you run this in brackets, you’ll actually run out all the bad auditing.

„Yeah.“

It sounds very silly, a very light technique; you’ll overestimate it You’ll talk too much to the preclear, I know you will because it’s just a matter of, „All right…“ (you don’t even tell him you’re running out auditing) „… get the fact that there was an engram and now there’s nothing.“ „Now get somebody else, the fact there was an engram and now there’s nothing.“ And „All right. Get the fact that a fellow was back in time and is now in present time.“ „Get the fact that you were back in time and are now in present time.“ „Now, get other people who had an engram, had nothing.“

„Well, let’s mock up some bad alcohol.“

You get the idea? „Other people auditing other people.“ Finish the session. And then to end all this: „All right Get the idea of being aberrated and then being Clear – aberrated and Clear.“ You just work out these goals, you see? You don’t have to run it very long.

„How bad?“

The fellow says, „Gee, you know, I feel fine! It makes me a dog, doesn’t it?“ Okay.

„Oh, denatured alcohol“ Well, he can accept it see, so on.

We’ve got here quite a few questions of… Oh! Oh, by the way, I’m just reading this question. I’m not going to answer the question because it just mentions Group Processing and I don’t think everybody would be interested in it.

This fellow by the way is drinking, all the time, wine; or he’s drinking good, good gin; or he’s drinking perfectly good alcohol. That’s what he’s drinking. But we’re looking at what his acceptance level is. He can’t get his acceptance level because the society would frown at him and people are preventing him from actually taking what he would – what he would accept in the form of alcohol.

I think I’m going to shoot some auditor. I always wind up that way and something of the sort In running Six Steps to Better Beingness, an auditor whom I loved very dearly (I’ll kick his teeth out just the same) ran this during the congress, ran Q and A in place of Opposite Poles, the sixth step – ran Q and A in place of Opposite Poles and then followed it with Self Analysis. What’s wrong with that?

You finally get down to the line, and you say, „Well, get canned heat“ Yeah, he’s getting real pleased now. See, that’s poison, strictly.

Male voice: It’s double – the same way.

„Canned heat. All right.“

Yeah, that’s introvert, introvert. And the people he was auditing hung up and got blurry, naturally. And he then said, „Where are you people? Where are you?“ while they were anaten.

„Now, let’s get canned heat and let’s put some unmentionable quantities in it“ That’s him. Tsk Boy, there’s where you get the entering wedge of his acceptance of alcohol.

Now, I fished out a couple of them out of that group. But please, if you’re going to vary techniques, let me tell you the secret of varying techniques. Introversion technique which would be Opposite Poles and anything like that, Q and A – that’s an introverted technique. It has to do with the subjective – the subjective being. Always follow it with the objective being.

And you just start running this for a while and he’ll get up to the point – and the next time he goes out – here’s what’s interesting: The next time he goes out to have a drink, something like mat why, he’ll look around and he’ll look at all this stuff he’s been drinking – that was not acceptable to him.

Now, if you’ll notice in Six Steps to Better Beingness, Opposite Poles is followed by step one again – Ten Minutes of Nothing. Now, Ten Minutes of Nothing is actually not a subjective technique. If the fellow starts running it, he’ll get nothing here and then he’ll start to get interested in the walls or something like that and he’ll become aware after a while that he – realize he’s still surrounded by walls. So he’ll eventually bite off and get nothing of the walls, and then he’ll get nothing of the town and nothing of the planet. He’s going out. He’s very definitely going out, and it’s an extroversion technique if there ever was one. But, if you followed it with Self Analysis, which is more mock-ups on top of the mock-ups which appear in Q and A, people would have a tendency to get very foggy. See why that is?

Well, now his acceptance level’s gone way up, and he’ll say, „Well, gee, don’t you have something special, something really special, something this way or something that way?“ He’ll be quite particular.

So it’s introvert technique, subjective reality, and then objective. Subjective-objective, subjective-objective – and if you’re going to put together or vary techniques, you should do that.

And he gets so he doesn’t care quite so much about who’s looking at him. But you can raise his acceptance level up.

And you should never ask anaten people questions or anything like that.

What’s the acceptance level of alcohol for an alcoholic? Well, it’s certainly canned heat or lower because that’s all you can – all he’s got left that he’s trying to resist – is completely poison alcohol.

More important than that, Q and A is run for a group just as I ran it in a demonstration. We pull people in on the preclear and then had the preclear put himself backwards on people out in front of him. Now, why did we do that?

Okay. Let’s take a break.

Here we have a situation of extending the anchor point. Putting on the body backwards collapses his anchor points. Now, we put it out there and extend his anchor points – now, just recall this. You see, that was in the process. We don’t just put it in.

Now, you’ll notice Opposite Poles is a much gentler version, but it has its outpoint too. Opposite Poles has to do with points out here. There’s things out here saying, „I’m going to betray you.“ In other words, he has to look out here a ways and then he plays these heads dose up. So it’s an out-in technique although all of it is a subjective technique.

Now, let’s look at Q and A. He put on Mama, Papa and so forth backwards and turned them around each time as the answer. And then he got Mama and Papa out here and he put his body on them backwards. You remember that in the demonstration? In other words, if you did that to him, all you’d work out was motivators, and a fellow hasn’t got enough motivators anyhow. So for heaven’s sakes, put his body out here, have him mock up Papa and then have him put his own body on Papa’s backwards and then turn it around as the answer. Have him mock up Mama, put his body on Mama’s body as the question and then turn it around as the answer. And you’ve got his points out again.

There are very few things that could go wrong in this, but if you find anything going wrong, it’s trying to run into a present time problem with the preclear which you then don’t complete. And so you would leave alone those people with whom the preclear was more or less tied up in present time.

You would use standardly – if you were doing it with Group Processing, you would leave alone, really, the husband or the wife, working with a group. Why? Because it’s going to be too hot to handle. You can just be sure that two people living together have a lot of problems which are unsolved and so on, and you’ve got to spend a long time on this if you start using husbands and wives and so on.

So you start shooting this at the group, „Now put your marital partner’s body on backwards and turn it around.“ By the time you’ve done that a few times, there’s two or three members of your group aren’t going to be with you. They’ll be into a boil-off or something. So you want to avoid the present time problems.

Truth of the matter is, just Wearing Heads, you see, doesn’t have this question and answer connotation and they get big line charges out of it-groups do a lot of times.

„Put on your first-grade teacher’s head,“ „Put on a cop’s head.“ „Put on Papa’s head.“ And so on, and they get a big bang out of this. It’s very amusing.

One case I had reported to me, the girl had been afflicted most horribly with a mustache for years and was very sensitive about it and the auditor knew it was an aberration of some sort, when he ran into Opposite Poles, just Wearing Heads. „Now, put on the head of somebody you detest,“ he said. And she puts on this head, and it’s a very, very, early, early teacher she had, who had a mustache that she detested and had been wearing it ever since. And in twenty-four hours it was gone. Just the (snap) realization that fast.

So Wearing Heads is a little bit different, you see, than Q and A and it’s a lighter technique and can be used more easily on a group. And I would actually advise you to use Opposite Poles rather than Q and A on a group. But you can use Q and A on a group but use the whole bracket That is, use at least for self and for others on the bracket And at least throw into the process, past people and leave alone people who are obviously present time problems.

Yeah, last night at one o’clock, I was auditing. That’s really ornery. I thought I’d ended this a long time ago. But I didn’t know this process could be done wrong – Q and A. Actually can’t be done wrong. There wouldn’t have been any damage there if the auditor had not said, „Where are you?“ Because both of these people began to wonder where they were. And they – well, were dazed enough to think maybe they were in birth or maybe, „I don’t know, where am I on the track? Maybe I’m a baby on the track. Maybe I’m just…“ See, real dizzy.

Nothing wrong with it That would have worn off in a day or two anyhow and it wouldn’t have killed them. If you think you’re going to mess anybody up with these techniques, it’s pretty hard to do. All right.

Oh! „Would you discuss the mechanical aids you touched upon?“

Yeah, but I tell you, I don’t myself have enough case histories on these mechanical aids to make any kind of a report and all I’m doing is going on preliminary findings and data. And that’s one of the things I’ve got to do across the river over there. That’s one of the things this group working with me has got to do. We’ve got to get our hands dirty on the subject of mechanical aids.

I can see it now. One of these has to do with mirrors and another has to do with cans and so on. There are four mechanical aids, and one of them is vitamins. How far can you go with vitamins as a mechanical aid?

He’s – also puts a question here: „How about vitamins?“

There are four of these mechanical aids: One of them has to do with mirrors, the other has to do with cans, one of them has to do with vitamins, and another one is called distraction. And any one of these – any one of these is strictly mechanical. They’re just for psychotics, that’s all. It’s just an effort to mass-handle psychosis.

And your mirrors automatically double-terminal the person. You just put him in the box and strap him down and he looks up and he’s double-terminaled. That’s real grim.

If you want to know how that works, go yourself sometime and look fixedly at a mirror for about three or four minutes and you all of a sudden will flip into the mirror on that side and back of the mirror this side and back there and back there and it’s very, very baffling.

I discovered this, one day, was a little bit too much for a preclear. I’d sent him over to the mirror and then noticed a fixed look got in his eye, and I said, „Well, let’s just carry this out just a little bit further.“ And I carried it out for about ten minutes. And at the end of that time discovered that he did not and could not tell me which side of the mirror he was really on or whether he was in front of his face or behind his face.

And the fixation of people upon mirrors gives them the idea that they’re in front of their faces and they’ll often establish this viewpoint They’re putting up a good picture and they would like to look at themselves so they have…

Matter of fact, you want to get a little kick this morning here? Just get the idea about a spot out in front of you that is facing you, „How I’d love to have that viewpoint!“ Just get that now. Just get that as a concept A spot out in front of you here, looking back this way at you and get the idea, „How I’d love to have that viewpoint!“ Hit it again.

That desire to behold oneself, you see, when you give it all over to a mirror and so on, it’ll swing people out in front of their faces. You very often say, „Be three feet back of your head.“ Well, he’s already two feet in front of his head.

Vitamins, by the way, have the same validity they’ve always had for us which is the fact that you start running a person with too many hours and an insufficiency of food, and the GE just can’t take it I said, a little while ago, food wasn’t necessary, but I said, until a person is well downscale, his whole sanity isn’t monitored by food.

But when a person hasn’t much storage capacity, has an idea of tremendous scarcity on the subject of food, you start auditing them, and they’re unable to work. And very often, as a matter of fact, every time I have found what was called an auditing failure – when I found an auditing failure being very serious to people, extremely serious – the preclear was hungry, starved when audited, insufficiency of food. I don’t mean he’s just had the sensation of hunger; I mean he hadn’t been eating for days or weeks.

We used to give intensives up at Elizabeth (a little town up the line up here) and they used to give intensives up there and the people would come in there and they’d eat a sandwich and drink a cup of coffee for lunch, eat no breakfast and eat a sandwich and drink a cup of coffee for supper. And then at two o’clock in the morning somebody would be on the phone saying, „We have somebody here that just can’t seem to reach present time,“ and you hear this – faint screams going on in the background. You have to patch this character up but you’ve already passed this margin of safety.

Two o’clock in the morning! You should never audit anybody at two o’clock in the morning. Traditionally, that’s the time of day when people die. If you’re ever going to spin anybody, you’ll spin him at two o’clock in the morning.

And these conditions will be followed – if you ever spin anybody, these conditions will have been answered: You audited him too many hours, and at the moment of the spin it was between one and four in the morning. He will not have eaten sufficiently for the preceding week. He is very deficient on calcium lactate and vitamin B1. It just will follow just like that pam, pam, pam.

Regardless of what you did to him in auditing, we – not interested in that – let’s just look at these other factors, and you’ll find out that they’re present if the preclear spins. The auditing is just something else. You see? It’s something for you to remember.

They’ve got to be well fed. They’ve got to have good rest, and they will start having nightmares, dreams and hallucinations if they don’t get enough vitamin B1 and calcium lactate.

You give somebody a bunch of – oh, once in a while you’ll get this patient – a patient, this time, not a preclear. Some doctor or somebody will have really flubbed the dub. And this patient will come to you and they’re seeing spiders. And they’re seeing horrible things and they don’t know what these things are and they’re very upset emotionally, and you check back on them. You can always ask a man a question, „Have you been to the doctor and are you on any drugs?“

And the fellow will answer to this question, „Well, yes, I’ve been taking some medicine, but it doesn’t amount to anything.“ The doctor’s had him on something like sulfathiazole and it’s productive of hallucination and there’s nothing wrong with this fellow except the doctor didn’t give him the B1 to go along with the sulfathiazole. This manifestation does not occur in the presence of adequate B1 – neither does alcoholism.

You get an alcoholic. Well, he’s so deficient on B1, he’s got to waste it. He can’t have it. He’s in bad shape. And you have to really pump him full if you’re going to audit him. And people will try to audit alcoholics under alcohol or something like that Oh, no – B1, B1.

B1 is wonderful stuff. I don’t know who sold the cells a bill of goods on it, but they sure bought it.

And this hallucinatory condition which you will often hear about from a preclear will just clear up. And if you audited him madly and intensely and on and on and on and on and on in the presence of insufficient food or something like that, all of a sudden he mil – he’ll start to get hallucinations. The way you remedy it…

Female voice: How much are you calling „filling full of B1“ at this present time?

What?

Female voice: How much are you calling „filling full of B1" in terms of…

Oh, not very much: fifty, a hundred milligrams – one tablet, two tablets. That is, they’re fifty milligrams, a hundred milligrams. That’s lots of B1. Matter of fact, it will make him easy as a good car to drive for about an hour after you take it. It has a euphoric edge. Take two or three, oh, maybe ten grains of calcium lactate. That’s awful cheap. That’s something like sixty-five cents for hundreds of pills, and B1 is rather expensive.

But don’t go dabbling around with five milligrams of B1 and ten milligrams of B1. And don’t get upset or excited about the fact that you’re not giving him balanced rations – you actually can – of drugs or balanced rations of minerals or something like that Boy, you can get so precise about this.

I’ve worked with this quite a bit and I’ve found – never got into trouble – never have gotten into trouble yet by simply giving B1 and, if possible, backing it up with some calcium lactate. And giving lots of B1 – it doesn’t upset the system.

But a lot of other vitamins and minerals packed on top of this have to be in very precise balance. You could pick up probably a scoop shovel of B1 and load it into the preclear. And you could probably put five milligrams into the preclear and it’d do some tiny fragment of good. A tiny amount or a large amount, you could back it up with any quantity in the world of calcium and it wouldn’t do anything. It’s like eating chalk. It goes into solution in the body a little bit better in the presence of calcium, I understand.

And it’s not anything dangerous or critical. There is neither a dangerous nor critical aspect on the administration of it. It’s not really a drug or anything. But we go off into other tablets, minerals, proteins and so on, we can have a picnic.

Thank you very much.