Okay. And this is the afternoon lecture of February the 3rd. We’re going to do a little bit of work on case patch-up today. I mean just that, no more. Also a few tricks of the trade and so forth.

Okay, this is February the 3rd, 1954. Today, it may be that some of you have already run into this material. If you have, fine, and if you haven’t, why, perhaps this will jog you up a little bit to get you into it.

Your activity in auditing must take into account auditing. Auditing is a specialized action. It has not happened before to the individual. It lays in a peculiarity of behavior pattern all of its own, which occasionally, when derailed, can interrupt the progress of his case somewhat. This is not difficult to patch up, but it is something which has to be patched up as itself.

The game called "MEST universe” is not a very pat-a-cake game, it’s a very rough game. It isn’t so much big boys playing, it’s a bunch of covert bastards that set it up. [laughter]

Now, the reason it has to be patched up as itself is simply because it is not comparable, actually, to his behavior pattern, normally. And therefore it’s a new type of lock and so forth. It doesn’t fit into any particular category except auditing. It comes right close to thebusiness of livingness and as such, sort of lays in a little, abrupt, short curve or pattern of the entire track and it can lay that in quite abruptly.

Now, this manifestation will take place in your preclear: he can accept energy without significances, but he can’t accept energy with significances in it very often. You say, “Get masses of energy without significances” and they flow in.

Now, auditing stirs up automaticities and as an auditor you have to know how to handle automaticities. And this is the main thing that auditing stirs up and throws into action.

Now, we’ve been covering this more or less about significances. He’s holding in all these engrams because they are energy and the significances are something he doesn’t want. So he’s trying to strip these significances out of these masses of energy. If you’ll get him to mock-up energy without significances, you’ll very often have a considerable difference of case. He can put into and take out significances from things, as one of you just discovered.

Let’s take some preclear-doesn’t work well. You ask him, “All right, now, have you been audited before?”

Now, the point I’m making here about the MEST universe as a game is strictly a very-well, it's a very dirty trick. You notice that I have not played up attention, nor have I put attention in The Factors. You want to know why that is? The Factors, of course, cover livingness in general, but attention is a pretty low order of stuff-it’s very low. It, itself, is the trick. If an individual can distract your attention sufficiently from the physical universe and involve you in attention interchanges, he can, and only then can, disenfranchise you from your ownership of the MEST universe. Follow that now.

Now this is an inevitable question. It’s a question you must ask. “Have you ever been audited before?”

You can run this on a preclear in concepts, just to demonstrate it, “Won’t face reality.” Just run it in brackets, concepts, something of the sort, just as an experimental... You understand there are lots of processes which are solely experimental processes. They are not therapeutic, they merely discover for an individual some of the factors of existence. You can run these processes on an individual and he’ll suddenly come up with a tiny bit more understanding or something. These processes are experimental processes today, such as Concept Running, that’s an experimental process. It’s investigatory, you can put things on a concept basis, so on.

And he says, “Yes, Jerry Switzbottom out in Pokokomuck which is-he was a graduate of the Dianetics Ramfadoodle Foundation and he ran Spooforino Procedure on me and this is where you get the bams going into the cetas and so forth.”

Matched Terminaling is also an investigatory process. It demonstrates where the activity is in the bank. For instance, logic, Match Terminaled, produces enormous reaction. Trying to stop the motions of the opposite sex produces considerable reaction and so forth. You’re just looking for reactions. Where you’re looking for is, where are the maximum effects?

And you say, “Well, is that what that funny hitch is when you walk?”

Well, this is not particularly therapeutic, it’s slow freight through Arkansas, because it’s dealing with significances. But where, as we wander through these significances, do we find the important relay points? And you use such a thing as Matched Terminals, Concept Running and so forth to discover these important relay points. This is entirely investigatory, it has nothing to do with your preclear. All right.

And he says, “Well, I have been doing that ever since. I keep bamming my ceta all the time.” [laughter]

“Won’t face reality,” then, as a concept, will turn up the person’s parents. And will discover that three, four, five years of age, he became very, very impatient with his parents, because every time he got interested in looking at a little piece of MEST or owning something or playing with something and so forth, it was “Johnny, you’ll have to wash your hands now” and so on.

And you must handle this quite routinely-routinely with this fellow. Somebody has been fooling around with his mind. Well, the same way, psychoanalysis is its own pattern. And somebody has been fooling around with somebody’s mind so, very often, but not ordinarily, because it wasn’t very serious-it didn’t have much effectiveness-we’ll have to handle psychoanalysis in the same way.

And it was all in the future: “You’ve got to go to school so that you can be a good man and you can grow up and you can ...” “You can,” you see? And it’s all got to be in the future. Or “Yesterday you were such a bad boy.” It’s all got to be in the past or it’s all got to be in the future; it’s all got to be in the past, but mainly the attention has got to be off the MEST universe.

Well, some auditors’ ideas of auditing are peculiar, to say the least. And when they even track in close to an actual process, they will sometimes kick in and out funny and weird things that wouldn’t ordinarily have occurred to the individual. Therefore, you must ask the question, which is the only point I am trying to make, “Have you been audited before?”

This is all you ever objected to with regard to your parents, actually. Their attention Was never on present time. The only havingness there is, is in present time. Present time is defined as that moment where havingness, in terms of the MEST universe, is available. Actual havingness, in terms of the MEST universe, is available- that is present time. There isn’t any other present time. And so your parents, and nearly everyone else, tried to flick your attention to them, to others, to the future, to the past. First, flick your attention on to life, teaching you how cruel you were and how you should let everything live-particularly if it was about to eat you.

And whatever he says, you must realize that he has had some sort of-if he’s been audited well, all right. I mean, he’s up. But if he hasn’t, it may take him a few minutes to recall his auditors. The worst auditor will be buried the deepest. Now, just take that and put it down there good and black, as far as your handling a preclear is concerned: the worst auditor is buried the deepest.

This is the first step up. Fix your attention on other livingnesses and take your attention off of MEST. That was the first lesson, aberrative lesson. And the second aberrative lesson ~ is, get the hell out of present time and start thinking about the future. And if you think about the future and you’re succeeding in that direction, well, get the hell out of the future and start thinking about all the failures you’ve been up to in the past. And when we get you into that state, why, then we’ve disenfranchised you.

Now, one of the ways to do this, if you exteriorize the fellow and he doesn't seem to be making much progress in a hurry, is to suspect on this order if you haven’t routinely asked the question and you just chase him around to all the auditing rooms. And he said he was audited three times earlier in three different rooms. That’s fine. Then you can expect the fourth room to show up and the fifth and the sixth and the seventh and the eighth and the ninth and the tenth. And we go on in this fashion and on and on and on. And we sometimes have to boost it if we’re not doing Change of Space auditing-if a fellow isn’t exteriorized-if you’re not exteriorized, you don’t do Change of Space auditing. We could run it out “Why, give me three auditors that are not auditing you at the moment.”

The operation of life, and the game in the MEST universe, is a game of disenfranchisement

And you saw a demonstration of this here, one day, by me. “Give me three auditors who aren’t auditing you right now.” “Give me three preclears that you are not auditing right now.” “Let’s get another auditor and get three preclears he’s not auditing right now.” And we just beat it back and forth with Straightwire and it took, in that instance, I suppose it took about fifteen minutes to show up the auditor who was stopping the case. Do you see?

An individual has the entire universe. He owns it, he can have any part of it. His perception of it is his perception of it. It is not, and never will be, anybody else’s perception of it. And there alone lies his ownership of it.

There was an unreality there-an invalidation or something of the sort. We don’t care what, but all of a sudden the auditor showed up and the preclear felt better, started to work again.

No two people, no two individuals, no two thetans, will ever perceive the MEST universe from the same viewpoint. And the viewpoint difference, alone, is sufficient to enfranchise the individual of that MEST universe. You could say that from person to person each one sees a different MEST universe, merely because he has a different viewpoint on it. You’re looking at it from one foot to the left of somebody else, you’re seeing a different facet of the universe or, as far as perception is concerned, you’re seeing a different universe. This is so marked that individuals get very divergent on this, tremendously. And when their perception is aberrated, they try to make their perception as different as possible, just so that they can assure themselves of a little ownership of something and hence, this aberrated perception that you get.

All right. This isn’t saying it’s bad to have had a lot of auditors or something of the sort. An auditor’s breaks can be very easily remedied today. The point we have to make is, for God’s sakes, remedy them!

But everybody seeing the same MEST universe, you see, is impossible. I mean, a planet is a planet. We’re all looking at the planet. We sit in a close compact group looking at a planet. Well, very well. But we’re, each one of us, seeing a different viewpoint of the planet and, therefore, there are that many planet visios, you might say, or planet masses for the individuals to perceive.

I ran into one preclear in the Second Unit, she’d gone along two weeks, made absolutely no progress whatsoever, was falling all over herself, stumbling, walking in a hole and getting ready to jump. And I finally asked her one day, I said, “What’s the matter with your case?”

There isn’t any such thing, then, as a co-ownership necessary. No, it isn’t necessary to disenfranchise anybody from the MEST universe, in order to own it. A single ownership of the MEST universe is neither desirable nor possible. It’s not possible from the standpoint of perception.

And she said, “Well, I don’t know. I... it just hasn’t worked well for quite a while.”

Now don’t get, by that, that I tell you that somebody sees elephants out here in the street and somebody else sees something else out here in the street. That’s not what I’m saying. Two people standing there both see a street, but they see infinitely slightly different streets. You see, just-let’s take a ball and set it up and you look at it from the right side and somebody else looks at it from the left side. It’s the same ball, but you’re seeing two different balls, for all intents and purposes, you see.

“How long?” I said.

Well, if you just modify this down, you’ll see that perception of the universe is that which the thetan does best. He can perceive this universe and he can experience it, you might say, but he experiences, from thetan to thetan, different universes.

“Well, for quite a while.”

Now, in India they’ve gotten so bad that they have a concept called Nirvana. And this concept of Nirvana is everybody’s viewpoint of the MEST universe. None of us can own it, none of us can have any of it, so we all sort of merge together in apathy and that’s the pool that owns it. They can’t explain it in any other way, because they aren’t smart enough. Anyway ... And they’re too darned aberrated. That’s really lower-scale stuff, Nirvana-to take away from an individual all of his individuality, at one fell swoop, ka-pam. All right.

“How long hasn’t it worked well?”

This idea, then, that if somebody owns it, then somebody else can’t own it, is based upon the fallacy that there is only one visio available. You see, it’s incredible. Just like the tennis ball, somebody looks at it from the right side and somebody looks at it from the left side, we see two different tennis balls, to all due respect.

“Well, quite a while. It hasn’t worked well for several months” and so forth.

Now, it doesn’t matter that this mass is being perceived from two different viewpoints, those two different viewpoints aren’t going to alter that tennis ball. There’s two different tennis balls. Two thetans can own the same tennis ball, but after they’re disintegrated and deteriorated and all aberrated, two individuals have a hell of a time over the same tennis ball. They fight and squabble and get upset about tennis balls in general, because they know full well that two people can’t own the same tennis ball.

“Well, what happened to you before it started to work badly?”

Well, that’s because they want to change it and do something with it. So they’re trying to control or determine the directions of play and position and other things of the tennis ball. And there we get into action and when we get into action, we get into the ownership part of the game: determination and control.

“Well, uh ...”

Well, it’s very, very peculiar, you know, but control isn’t necessary if you’re in present time-it’s there. I mean, present time is there, it’ll go on being there. You can move things around in present time and shift them around and so forth. But the fact that you have to determine its direction betokens itself a sort of an anxiety about present time. We’ve got to change it so we can own it.

Whooh! This is a new thought to her: something might have happened to her in auditing-you know, what fog? And by the way, she’d been audited by auditors for a couple of weeks and nobody had ever asked her anything like this. Nobody ever thought it was strange for a preclear not to get a change in an hour’s auditing. You guys still haven’t changed your sights on that. You still think that it takes about two months or two weeks or eighteen hours a day for a year or something. This is not true. All right. It’s just asking the right question, using the right technique at the right time and your case will roll. All right.

Now, it’s very strange talking to a being who is fully indoctrinated into a complete belief that he has to eat, he has to get attention, he has to attract attention, he has to do a great many things in order to continue to live. Well, the horrible part of it is, his viewpoint is already a disenfranchised viewpoint.

She said, “Well, now let me see. Let me see.”

Now, life has played this interesting little game: Each body, or area of livingness, is thought by all other areas of livingness, or all other bodies, to contain a mysterious commodity which is a byword or a password or a pass-ritual or something, which is an enfranchisement of a certain part of the universe.

“Well,” I said, “do you exteriorize at all?”

This is very, very interesting when you get to thinking it over. You eat grass because grass owns sand is what it boils down to. Grass can own sand and a cow can eat grass and then you can eat the cow and that lets you eat the sand. But I wonder if there’s any sand in that by the time it gets through the grass and gets through the cow.

And she said, “Yes.”

Now, you know you can’t have hard things, you can’t have impacts, you can’t have solid masses of MEST. You have to have soft things-that’s obvious, you can’t have impacts. And just to that degree, you think this stuff all has to be processed and softened down before you could own it.

I said, “Well, drop over at the office.”

Well, look how covert this is. You see, a fellow is-in order to obtain MEST, he’s got to go through this tremendously complicated system of eating and softening and growing and all sorts of things, in order to get himself a grain of sand that he can really own. And that, in essence, is the computation on which life forms run and they run that way because of this disenfranchisement. They are disenfranchised. They think all other life forms, or some other life form, may have “the magic MEST.” The dust to which a body disintegrates is more acceptable than the living flesh, as far as a more sane life form is concerned.

And she dropped over at the office and I said, “All right. Let’s hit the first toom in which you were audited.”

It’s very strange, but eating, itself, is a rather weird proposition. Of course, if you’re going to keep one of these motors running, the motor is built that way. And it’s built so that it has to eat, but what’s it doing when it’s trying to eat? It’s trying to get ahold of some MEST universe. And it does it on this dizzy bypass, covert chain of “I will eat Joe, because Joe ate Maggie, because Maggie ate a cow, because the cow ate some hay, because the hay ate some grass that had been processed by a cow (fertilizer) and we get down, eventually, to where we hope something, someplace along this line, ate a rock, [laughter] We just hope something, somewhere, ate a rock. That’s the whole thing that this eating chain breaks down to.

“Okay.”

And life goes around in this terrifically hectic atmosphere and actually considers that it can progress and does progress, because it considers that it can progress, by the process of eating. And is healthy as long as it can engage in this game, but as it grows along with its various forms, it gradually gets disabused of this strange aberration.

You know, “Be three feet back of your head and be in the first room where you were audited. Now be in the second room where you were audited. Now the third and the fourth. All right. Now be in the first room again and the second and the third. And now be in the first room and the second and the third and be here. First room, second and third and here. First room, second, third ...”

It says, “Well, there isn’t much in food anymore.” Well, there isn’t anything in food, but life is convinced of this. And the engine is built on this conviction: that if it’s going to get any part of the MEST universe, it’s going to get it by this covert chain.

She said, “Gee whiz, there’s five, six, seven and eight here.”

It’s built on the conviction, then, that it can’t own the MEST universe or any part thereof. And you only get something to group down into a form, a living form of cells and particles of livingness, when it has been disenfranchised of actual sand, rocks and the spaces in between.

So, I said, “All right. Now be in those rooms, consecutively, and then be here.”

It is so inverted on an individual that the thought of eating a mouthful of sand is something he starts in, on his processing, to think of as very, very terrible. The idea of eating a mouthful of sand-sand is an enemy. That’s funny, isn’t it? Because sand is hard, delivers impacts and so forth. And after you’ve processed him a little bit and he starts-really come up the scale and so forth, he begins to wonder once in a while, “I wonder why I don’t eat sand straight. What’s the idea of going through that?” And then he says, “Well there’s some mysterious commodity in it, there’s probably some chemical-you know, CO2, O4, O6, O8, O9, O12-something that is hydroxide-atomized or something. There’s something mysterious there someplace, that is amalgamated in some peculiar fashion.” You see, it’s very doubtful if there’s anything mysterious there at all, but there certainly are convinced people concerning it.

And-" Wait a minute, I haven’t got the right first room. It’s another room that’s number one. I was audited once before that... no, twice ... I was audited before ... uh ... uh ... gee! I was audited about, oh, I don’t know, a lot of times before that, back in Dianetics, and I’d forgotten all about that.”

Now, where our life is engaged with life, you will find a species trying to gang up on other species and operate cooperatively in order to disenfranchise the other species. And when a species starts to go to pieces is when it gangs up on itself. It doesn’t survive, doesn’t get along and actually becomes entirely disenfranchised.

“Well, be in the first one of those rooms. Okay. Be in the next one, the next one, the next one, the next one, the next one, the next one, be here. Be in the first one of those rooms again.

All right. What’s one of the ways you can process all this and actually bring a preclear to these conclusions? Well, bringing a preclear to these conclusions must be done fairly gently, because if he doesn’t get this thing fairly straight, he’s liable to spin or go up the pole on you.

“It’s a new first one.”

He does the same thing as the nuclear physicist does. He starts looking into all this stuff for some deeper significance, in terms of electrons or atoms or something of the sort. He starts looking for the mysterious commodity called x-noo that other life forms have that he doesn’t have and he gets down and so on.

“All right. The next and the next and the next-room, room, room, room, room and here.”

The fact that he is investigating and inspecting so hard and asking questions of the MEST universe betokens, itself, the fact that he doesn’t own it. And don’t doubt this for a moment, your nuclear physicists spin. They start down the line on this and they start out. And that’s because they consider the MEST universe must be owned by somebody else and so forth and they’re investigating it in some peculiar fashion that everything has to be done by the modus operand! of MEST operating against MEST: “All energy must be handled by energy.” And that in itself is the most fatal conclusion that a man can make. All energy must be handled by energy-a fatal conclusion. Engineers are aberrated on that one only, really.

And all of a sudden she says, “Wait a minute.” She says, “About two and a half months ago, somebody was trying to use negative exteriorization on me. ‘Try not to be three feet back of your head.’”

All right. How do you process this? Well, let’s start Havingness Processing on the individual on this basis: Let’s find out what kind of a body, in what condition, he can accept. What kind of food in what condition can he accept? You’ll find it’ll boil down eventually to some sand or some dust.

And she said, “I’d had a very bad night and a hangover the next morning and I’d just forgotten this incident entirely.”

But he can’t have dust, because dust, when it gets solid, becomes an impact. Well, if an individual has difficulty, then, you probably should turn around and waste softness or waste hardness, certainly one or the other, because one will run into the other either way and waste impacts. And the way I’ve been doing it has been “wasting hardness” and “wasting impacts,” in brackets, on an individual, and “wasting black machines” where he was very occluded. And then turning around and running the kind of bodies that was acceptable. And you’ll find out that old bone is probably acceptable to him and so forth and you’ll find these things are breaking down to dust. You’ll find out then that dust is acceptable and this is your bridge. It’s the dust in the bones and so forth and the dust in the MEST universe which operates as a bridge.

And she says, “You know, I kind of have the feeling like I’ve been trying not to be three feet back of my head ever since. Because I got awfully mixed up on it, it was very easy for me to be three feet back of my head. But when the auditor would tell me to be ... try not to be three feet back of my head, why, of course, I wouldn’t be three feet back of my head. And this got the auditor very upset because I should have been three feet back of my head when I was trying not to be and it got me very upset.”

Now, as you satiate his hunger for this, you’ll find the hunger is really on. This person really gets hungry. He gets hungry, straight out, for dust. But every once in a while, he gets this terrific reservation: “Doesn’t dust bring about all sorts of odd and horrible conditions?” He knows he can’t have dust. Well, let’s ease the problem a little bit more by wasting dirty faces and wasting dirty hands.

And before we went on with a long dissertation of this, I said, “Be in the first room where you were audited, the second room you were audited, the third room, the fourth room” and all of a sudden, an attempted rape showed up. This had been forgotten, utterly.

Many little children will come around very proud of the fact they’ve been able to get some mud and dust on themselves. There’s many a fellow walking around with a dirty face who is merely exhibiting his ability to hang on to some MEST-some dust, at least.

So we chased her around through the various rooms and chased her around again and again and again. To hell with the significance, let’s get those areas of the MEST universe cleaned up and into present time. That’s all we’re trying to do. If you used that, if you could get a person just vaguely out of his head and started to do Change of Space auditing, first on light things and then on heavier things, you’d eventually clean up all the areas of the MEST universe. It’s one of these-like many of these processes, an “all” process.

So we waste dirty faces, dirty hands and dirty clothes and we find out that we have accomplished it just a little bit better, in this case.

If you could just sneak them out and they were still saying “What wall?” you could still chase them around to these various places in the MEST universe where they’d had difficulty.

And then we go on and get him to accept lots of MEST universe and, eventually, well be able to start this avalanche on him. We don’t even have to start the avalanche on him to bring him way upscale, though, because processed in that fashion, these cases aren’t very difficult.

Everywhere is out of present time but where the preclear is. Well, you get everything into present time including where the preclear is and, of course, you’ve got an Operating Thetan. I mean, it’s as good a definition as any. And it’s a good mechanical definition, it’s usable.

Here, then, is a route in on a rough case and I’ll give you a couple of case histories just to illustrate this. These cases, both of them, were very difficult cases, more difficult than any present, and one of them was solved in this fashion: all kinds of computations on the subject of not-knowingness.

All right. We went round and round with this character and I audited her on this, I will say, for about an hour and a quarter. But the last half hour I spent exclusively on being various spaces. “Be a space back of your body, be the space of your body, be the space of the room” and so on. And the last part of the session I kicked out an automatic machine that was turning things gray. Kicked that out and perception turned on very full and the case was rolling on down the line like a freight train.

That is to say, “Three things that you don’t have to know at this moment,” and “Three things somebody else doesn’t have to know,” you know, brackets of not-knowingness, ran the straight concept of not-knowingness. Got things which we didn’t have to know about, in terms of actual objects, and then got pieces of blackness out around the area that didn’t have any significance in them. Just kept spotting pieces of blackness that had no great significance, just in that, and then ran back to some more “don’t knows.” I think, by the way, even just for the heck of it on that, I think I Matched Terminaled-yes, I did, Matched Terminaled “don’t know” and beat that up pretty badly. And then asked the individual to waste some dust and then accept some dust and then by this time, he was pretty well loosened up. And got him three feet back of his head and got him up on top of the house, just by telling him to, just no more than that. It was not-knowingness that sprung him, you see. Not-knowing what would happen to the body after he left it-upset and worry about it.

Well, what was so confoundedly clever that I did, huh? I want to ask that question. What was so strange and new and peculiar and clever?

And then, had him move in and out of a big piece of rock, a mountain, a rock mountain. Had him move in and out of this rock mountain and stabilized him a bit that way and got him back on the roof and told him to be where he pleased. The session lasted about forty minutes, something on that order, and he was exteriorized.

You could say, “Well, the preclear had confidence in me.” This is true. Not because I’m me, but because when I audit, I am confident. You get that little difference? All right.

Well, his case went along for a little while without any auditing and then he got into some kind of difficulty or other in life and he wasn’t stabilized worth a nickel, but he felt much better. And I simply exteriorized him and chased him in and out of pieces of rock and then in and out of the Sun and had him waste in brackets, hardness. And chased him in and out-you know, Change of Space-“Be inside the Sun, now move yourself outside the Sun, now shuttle back and forth.” “Now go find the biggest darnedest planet you can possibly discover anyplace.”

And what was so peculiar about this session? Well, perhaps it was just this: Perhaps I looked at the case and recognized that the case should be advancing and wasn’t. Now, perhaps that was the difference between the auditing I was giving this preclear and the auditing the preclear was being given by her classmates. That’s probably the main thing. Because I knew the case ought to advance and it wasn’t advancing. So therefore there was something holding the case up that was significant and peculiar. I also knew this case had been in Dianetics and Scientology for a couple, three years.

Well, I sent him over to find this planet and he found the planet all right. And he exteriorized in and out of this planet and in and out of the planet and in and out of the planet and then he got stuck. He found out he was moving out of the planet to an exact distance and he couldn’t quite figure out why this was and he said, “The thoughts of Jupiter keep coming in.”

Well, what have we got? Anytime we’re dealing with the business of living-and we’re dealing with the most potent factors in livingness-why, we of course can skid and slip with them, one way or the other, and louse up a preclear somewhat. But at the same time, you can straighten him out as fast.

So we had him move in and out of Jupiter, same way, and then he still couldn’t solve it, so I had eight spaceships, one after the other, crash on Jupiter. And he was having great difficulty doing this, so we uncrashed eight spaceships and, you know, had them move from the center of the planet outside and then that cleared up. And then we had him crash the eight again and that was all right. Then we moved him in and out of Jupiter a few times and then put him back in the Sun and had him perceive all of the solar system, sort of take ownership of all of the solar system.

Way back-way, way back, we could make blunders which couldn’t be remedied by auditing with ease, but that hasn’t been true for a year. It’s been definitely untrue for a year. Any blunder is remedied by auditing. All right.

He became very interested in gravity. Discovered with great certainty that gravity was a consideration and nothing else and then moved him back to this big dark star, which was what he had been going in and out of, and moved him in and out of that a few times and his perception became tremendous. And he all of a sudden said, “You know,” he said, “I can get an exact idea of how it would really be if I were really up on top. I know exactly how it would feel” and so forth. And I considered that was good enough for the moment-been about an hour’s processing and let the session slide. And the individual sort of worked himself up there in succeeding days.

Now, there’s another case: fellow creeping along with an eyelid flutter.

Now, that’s a case-one case history. Here’s another case history: I had a fellow waste black machines-everything was black, black, black. Had him waste black machines and then waste flinching. And exteriorized him by having him be the space behind his body and the space of his body and the space behind his body and the space of his body. And hold the two back corners of the room and be the space of his body afterwards. And be the space behind his body and be the space of the room and the space of his body and the space of the room and the space of his body and the space of the room and the space of his body. And be behind his body and have him grab ahold of the two back corners of the room and he says, “Hey wait a minute, I’m out and I can see.”

Well, I grabbed him by the nape of the neck one day and I says to him, I says, says I...

Well, anyway ... This was a very difficult case, that was fifteen minutes. Anyway ... I’m not being snide, I mean, really, if you get in there and pitch and you mean what you’re doing, it doesn’t take very long.

[to student] You’re wondering if you have an eyelid flutter. You don’t have an eyelid flutter.

All right. This case drifted along and floundered around and went back in and got unhappy and outside and got unhappy some more. And I didn’t process him for several days and-waiting for another chance to pick this case up. And next time, got ahold of him, ran not-knowingness. Had him flinch from things he didn’t know about. Exteriorized him and then just had him go around and flinch from things he didn’t know about. All of a sudden he said, “Hey wait a minute, I don’t know anything about this universe.” It’s significance, significance, significance, you see.

An eyelid flutter-have you ever seen a butterfly batting its wings very agitatedly? You get that speed. Brrrrr. That’s the eyelid flutter. The fellow’s eyes are wide-open and then you ask him to close his eyes or something like that and instantly you get this flutter. Oh, you know, it’s unmistakable, it’s very peculiar-you don’t see it around very much.

We had him flinch from things he didn’t know about and then we started, while he was exteriorized, an avalanche. And this got going real roaring good, lots of heavy mass and so forth. Well, we’d had him flinch from pieces of dust and so forth, till he got wondering why the heck he was flinching from dust. Turned out he’d had a dust allergy when he was young. That’s the final negation, you see, a dust allergy. All right.

Anyway, I noticed this fellow had an eyelid flutter and so I knew that what he was getting audited out of him by his auditors was tapes, that’s all. I mean, he was getting the day’s lecture audited out. Naturally, that was the only thing that would be available there.

He then just did the Grand Tour in and out of planets and around and, you know, lots of Change of Space. Change of Space plus-combined with it, you see, Exteriorization-Interiorization. You can make a fellow change space from the center of a heavy planet to outside the planet, and inside the planet, and outside the planet and that’s Change of Space.

Now, the shortcut on the case, of course, would have been-the easy way to handle a case is just say, “The world is now sitting in front of you, very massive and very dense and it is now moving in on you and it is now totally enclosing you. Now, another world is moving in on you and is totally enclosing you.” And he would have blasted out of it one way or the other. He just would have blasted out of my mock-ups, see. Hypnotized.

And the way you do that is, you do it for him several times. You say, “Now be in the center of the planet.” “Now be outside the planet.” “Now be in the center of the planet.” “Now be outside the planet.” “Now move yourself back and forth rapidly from the center of the planet to the outside of the planet.”

Well, how did we break this hypnotic spell? We broke it mainly just by exteriorizing him and duplicating. What do you know, real simple. “Be three feet back of your head” intended volition for him, you see. “Be three feet back of your head” left the door open for him to exhibit some volition. Well, with this flutter about to take off with his eyelids, you know, naturally, it betokened no volition.

Sometimes he says he Can’t do this, so you give him a few drills on moving himself around and return him back to moving in and out of the planet. Well, he can finally do this with great rapidity and things get smoother and smoother and easier and easier. And all of a sudden, why, it becomes less and less significant what he’s doing, but it becomes more and more possible for him to own MEST.

I was right about this, by the way. The second I saw the fellow doing this, I knew that the tapes were being audited out of him every morning. So I asked his auditors how he was working and they had recognized this, that the tapes were being audited out - I didn’t shoot them, I let them live. After all, they’ll be MEST someday too-edible. [laughter]

Anyway, chased him around and Grand Tour and so forth and then had him duplicate. Duplicate planets and duplicate all sorts of things and duplicate and duplicate and duplicate and duplicate. And he had a personal problem, he had a problem with his mother, bad personal problem. And we merely handled this by making a gradient scale of Mother. We got what kind of a mother was acceptable and a mother made out of dust was real acceptable. So we got Mama made out of dust and stacked her up enough times until we had practically a planet sitting there. And then we just threw that away and he wasn’t worried about Mother anymore. He had a chronic somatic, which was Mother. Made him turn this somatic on and off while exteriorized and so forth.

Anyhow, the point I’m making here is that this person would have had to exhibit volition. So I told him, “You are three feet back of your head.” Of course he was.

And I started to scout him around a little bit more and he said, “Wait a minute, you know, I think I...” he says, “I think I can make a noise.” And he could, he could make a squeak-sounded like a little mouse squeak.

“Your vision of the room is now perfect.” Of course it was.

And here we went and there was no stopping this boy then-he just concatenized right straight on up to Operating Thetan.

“Now be at the place where you entered the MEST universe. You are there. You are now here, you are now there, you are now here, you are now there, you are now here, you are now there.”

Well, these were both rough cases. These are not Step I’s, these are Resistive V’s I’m talking about. I won’t talk about Step I’s, that’s too damned easy!

All of a sudden, the guy starts shaking his head and feeling groggy and so forth and I... “What’s the matter?”

Now, a Step I or a Step V, when exteriorized, won’t look to the degree that he can’t own. Direct coordination of these two points. He won’t look if he can’t own. So you better chase people inside and outside of things. And you better find something they can be certain they can be inside of and certain they can be outside of. And you chase them in and out of planets and so forth and get them on up to heavy masses as soon as possible. And in and out and have them exteriorize and interiorize and exteriorize and interiorize and exteriorize and interiorize. In and out of heavy masses and make them take in more and more masses and more and more masses and then have him duplicate and duplicate and duplicate and then make some of their own masses. And the next thing you know, why, the fellow is seeing real well. He isn’t seeing a facsimile, he’s looking at actual MEST.

“I don’t know, something’s happened here. Something is happening.”

An individual who doesn’t get a good perception of actual MEST has, then, to that degree, been disenfranchised from it. He’s been told he doesn’t know about it and a lot of other things. He’s more convinced that he doesn’t know than there is data to know. See, he’s convinced there must be a tremendous lot of data to know because he doesn’t know it.

“All right. Be at the place where you entered the MEST universe. You’re there. Now be here, you’re here. Now be at the place where you entered the MEST universe. Be here.” Bing, bang, bing, bang, bing, bang, bing, bang-no eyelid flutter.

You see how silly that is? I mean, you can’t get more stupid than that, by the way. There’s a tremendous lot of data to know because he doesn’t know it. It’s only necessary to work this operation and come along and convince somebody they don’t know something and convince that there’s a lot to know about it.

This was about eight minutes of auditing. He was out of an hypnotic trance and after that his sessions counted. Why didn’t they count before? Well, none of his auditors would have recognized what a hypnotized person would do if you told them to. Of course, they would account the fact if you said to a person who was hypnotized, “Be three feet back of your head” or “ You are three feet back of your head,” they would have thought of this as-he would have an illusion or a delusion that he was, that it wouldn’t really be true.

I remember the terrible dismay I have seen on some engineers’ faces in-I mean engine-room engineers-in the war when somebody from the factory would come down to give a lecture on a new piece of equipment. The piece of equipment was installed, they take a look at it, you know, and they say, “Well, it fixes up that way and that way” and they think that’s fine “and we’re all set and roaring to go.”

Well, how do you suppose you get moved around from planet to planet and life span to life span? Somebody baps you with a ray or something of the sort and says, “You are now Queen Nefertiti and you are now going to louse up King Nefertiti-ha-ha.” [laughter] That is the oldest trick in the universe. And some of these people you’re trying to exteriorize have been kicked out of their heads and into other lives.

And then the fellow Comes down from the factory to make sure that they don’t break it or something of the sort. And he starts giving them a lecture on it and all of a sudden, they’re overwhelmed with this idea, “Look at all this we don’t know. Look at this tremendous-this stuff we don’t know about this water cooler” or something of the sort. And they get very impressed with what they don’t know.

One girl, by the way, who had the body of about an eight- or ten-year-old girl (a physiological arrestment if I ever saw it) and yet, who had the characteristics which bordered over toward the prostitute-a fascinating case, just because she looked so young and sweet and innocent and had such a record. And I took this girl and I was tracking back and researching at that time this business of being in other places and how did people get here and there and so on.

Well, similarly, there’s a machine, a VariTyper, that double types and adjusts space and so forth and I’ve never seen anybody fail to do this on this machine. It’s a very heavy piece of MEST, otherwise it wouldn’t happen. Very heavy machine and lots of mass there. And the machine is quite perverse. It has to be set up just about right, but actually it doesn’t take more than about five minutes to know all there is to know about this machine. You just look at it and find out the various things it does and it does all these things and that’s that. It’s very easy and very simple. You know, you type over here and then you repeat the typing over there and the machine does the rest of it and to hell with it! I mean, so what.

We picked up an incident on the E-Meter of her sitting on the curb and the most-as a little girl, she was about eight years old-and the most gorgeous officer came along, mounted on a beautiful horse and picked her up off the curb and put her across the pommel of his saddle and gave her some candy and took her down to the fortress. That’s all, bud.

But somebody comes along and says, “Well, we have to train the operators for you” and the next thing you know, somebody is going to have three weeks of training on this machine. You see him after about a week of training on the machine and they’re shot. Mostly because here’s all the things they don’t know about this machine! And it’s what they don’t know about the machine that’s worrying them, not what they know.

They threw her in a cell which was an electronic-you know, radiation-type cell-and put a prostitute on the other bunk and then moved the girl into the prostitute to pick up the characteristics, to move her into the wife of a king who was giving them trouble politically, to disgrace the king, see. She was still running this crazy engram, round and round and round and round.

And what I’m trying to get you over and pull you through on, as far as data is concerned, I’m trying to get you over all of the tremendous quantities Of stuff that you know you don’t know about life, people and the mind, by showing you a pattern you can know about it and you can take off from there.

Well, a lot of auditing, we busted her out of that. She busted out of that. By the way, the process that was used on her to bust that out was Self Analysis, next-to-the-last list, and then Self Analysis in mock-ups. She was a black case but she could still get mock-ups by covering them with blackness first. And she broke right straight out of it and got a physiological progression-her body moved along.

But more important than that, I’m trying to get you to run what you might call a purity of technique. You’d be surprised how hard that is to get some auditor to do that. In the first place, life is essentially a foe of life.

Now, I never did establish whether it was her as a thetan that this had happened to or whether it had happened to some ancestor or engram or something of the GE. Never separated these things, didn’t bother to or didn’t try. The point is that we got her progressing physiologically, which is all we were trying to do.

It’s rather horrible, isn’t it? And unless individuals have a common purpose and unless individuals have an exterior threat of some sort or another, why, they have this problem amongst themselves. Each one is restimulated by the fact that somebody else is trying to own the MEST universe. No two people would ever own the same universe. But nevertheless, they get this problem back and forth. And they start fighting with each other, covertly or otherwise, and the next thing you know, you get a case accidentally bogged or something like that.

Now, that sounds very far-fetched and sounds very strange and peculiar, but people do this very often in operations. They move somebody out of their body. Their chit-chat and chatter-chatter will actually boost somebody, who is very anaten, off the operating table-out of his body, you might say-and up into the corner of the room or clear back to the between-lives area. These people report back. And they report back-they’re very much out of order in reporting back and if they report back and find their body and return, that’s all right. But if they report back and find their body is now missing, the terrific faith they had in the between-lives area gang to keep their body and preserve it forevermore is shattered at that point. And the individual after that operation will be in a wonderful condition.

Now, let’s get a clear view of what this business called the MEST universe is. And we find out, as near as we can define, that it is something, but it is certainly definable, just as easily, as a conviction. And if it’s your conviction, it’s your universe. You can’t see somebody else’s conviction. When you can’t see the MEST universe, it’s because you’re trying to see somebody else’s conviction is there.

Now, under Dianetics you’d say, well, this is an engramic condition. What is the important part of the engram? Well, it was the part of the engram which told them to move out of their body and so forth. What kind of phrases might do this? “Get out and go back,” said to a nurse coming in the room or something of this sort, might re-register on the individual and exteriorize him and boot him out of his body. A lot of deaths on the operating table are caused by this, by the way. An individual is put into an anesthetic and then the chitter-chatter is such that the thetan is put into a high state of confusion and is booted out. And the body just lies there and doesn’t come awake.

If you’ve had around you somebody that kept pointing out to you how pretty things were, or how ugly things were, repeatedly and continually when you were a little child, “This is pretty and that’s ugly and look over there and look at that,” you’ve got compulsive lookingness at the universe all around, you find out that you’re looking at what they saw.

There are bodies lying around, I dare say, in this very area, in hospitals, which have simply been disenfranchised in that fashion. They don’t got a thetan in them. They’re still working-you know, coma, we call this.

Actually, there’s a lot of boys with their visio shut off who merely have a viewpoint parked in Mama’s skull. Mama is in a coffin now, so that viewpoint can’t see.

Now, these factors I’m telling you about are not new, strange or unreal. This happens to be a closer grip on reality than walking around saying, “We’re all bodies and we can’t be removed from anywhere,” because that leaves a tremendous amount of unexplained phenomena going on all the time. So if we take the general premise of existence-you know, this agreement of this society, this culture at this time: “There is no soul, everybody is a body. It’s all a machine and you’re going to die and be dead forever.” And if we take this as the general agreement, the scientific approach, we find out that we get just billions of unexplained phenomena. It doesn’t run out to one or two, it just fills the whole universe full of unexplained phenomena.

So we have a little bit of a problem in life, with any group, to the degree that the group members are themselves addicted to the “only one.” You know, the computation that “In order to own the MEST universe, there can only be one person owning it.”

Now, let’s take this other pattern of a thetan and the body and so forth. We can handle that. We not only get further in handling it that way, but we get an awful lot of phenomena explained which was unexplained before. So which is the better system in terms of workability? Which is the better data in terms of workability? Well, the thetan, the body moving out of this body and into that body and so forth is better data.

That’s not true. Never will be true. You can sit right here and own the Pribilofs-Pribilof Islands. You can own them, you can have them. But you’re dissuaded from the fact that you can have them, because they belong to some nation or something.

Now, remember that your preclear maybe had been moved out of the body and have gotten into-and this is the other thing that could have happened in auditing, just get off that, he could have been moved out of his body and given a lot of strange or weird commands: told to find a lot of things, or something of this sort, and he got restimulated because he had some old operation back there. He’s been sent out to find things before-particularly his own body that he left in the safekeeping of somebody or other and now it’s gone.

Yeah? Go down and ask one of their rocks sometime, “Who do you belong to?” Won’t say a thing. I dare say there wasn’t a single grain of sand on the entire Pribilof chain that knew when the ownership was transferred from Russia to the United States. As far as that’s concerned, there wasn’t a single grain of sand changed one single iota, in knowingness or anything else, the moment that the Russians took it over from the Aleuts.

I had one fellow, by the way, run the awfullest rage at the Statler Hotel system. He’d left a body in a Statler Hotel and they’d disposed of it. Recent, isn’t it? He was mad. He never knew quite why he was mad at hotels in general and we finally got it down to the Statler Hotel and we finally got it down to that.

In other words, here is this “another kind of ownership” and you get these two kinds of ownership beautifully messed up, confused. You can have Earth, the heavens, the MEST universe-there’s no difficulty in this and you can have it for your very own, if you have to.

This individual had been exteriorizing and interiorizing at will-he exteriorized very easily. And I’d caught him as a school boy. He was about a nine-year-old schoolboy and I exteriorized him. He was mad at the Statler Hotel system, at what happened to his last body. They evidently thought it was dead and took it and gave it an undertaking and buried it. That was the end of that. And he had exteriorized from it-carelessly.

Now, cells disintegrate and go to pieces and so forth, to the degree that they cannot own the MEST universe. You think anybody is going to come along and give you a deed of title to it, you’re quite mistaken, because there isn’t anybody can give you a deed of title to it but you.

An individual is in pretty bad shape, a thetan is in pretty bad shape, by the way, who permits this to happen to his body. And he must be very short on concentration. He’s in foul shape if he deserts a body utterly, you see, and doesn’t have any record of what’s going on. He can’t know what’s going on in the body, while he knows full well what’s going on where he is-shortage of attention units. All right.

Certainly, it’s a conviction. We know that, at least, about the MEST universe. And certainly it’s something that can be perceived, because people uniformly perceive it. But it’s not a single “it” and never will be. All right.

Now, as we go over this, however, we’ll find such incidents cropping up this way: an auditor told a preclear to be three feet back of his head and then the auditor said, “All right, now are you there?”

The processes which take off, then, are best when they reenfranchise the individual, H so that he can at least own some dust motes. You know you get a big jump in a case when he finally finds out he can own a dust mote?

And the fellow said, “Yes.”

Doesn’t sound like much universe. Well, it’s more universe than a case that you’re having trouble with owns-one dust mote. One little tiny speck of dust drifting in the air. He doesn’t own that much. He begins to feel like a thief to even look at the universe and then finally he can’t even look at it, because, of course, he doesn’t own it.

And the auditor says, “Well, where are you exactly?”

Now, that’s very funny, isn’t it, that his perception and his sense of ownership of the universe are coordinated one against the other. As his sense of ownership of the universe deteriorates, his perception of the universe deteriorates equally. Now, that’s dynamite, isn’t it? Think that over for a moment. Should tell you, then, that an individual-if there are two individuals in the world who perceive the MEST universe well, even though they do not know each other, each one then, must own those things they look at. Well, they both can’t own the same items-by definition, Man’s definition, perverted definition of ownership-one or the Other would have to own. But they both own because they can both see.

And the preclear said, “Well, ummm ... uhh ... back of my head.”

Now, in your processing, you want to get up into heavy dense masses as fast as possible with your preclear, and give him as many as you can, and you will find that your preclear’s appetite in this direction is almost insatiable.

“Well, where are you back of your head?”

Now, this concept of hardness or impact goes straight down from Know to Sex-all the way down through the band. The idea of “hardness.” And your preclear will probably, when you start to audit him, when you say, “Waste some hardness,” he will probably be very coy about the whole thing and he will probably find himself entering it on the sex band. Okay. Enter it there and then slide up on the line.

“Well, some little distance back of my head.”

He finds out he can’t eat things that are hard. And that constipation comes from too much hardness and so forth. He goes up through the seamier sides of existence and then he gets into Thinkingness. Well, he can’t have a hard problem. That’s real silly, but that’s a fact. He can’t have a hard problem. And then we-pardon me, we missed Symbols. We can’t have a hard or supersignificant symbol, you see, and then we can’t have a hard problem, in terms of Thinkingness.

“Well, now just give me exactly where you are back of your head.”

Now, we move up into Effort and, by golly, about this time it comes to him with a shock that he can’t have impacts. Can’t. Impacts are horrible. He can’t run into things.

And by this time the guy’s going-he’s looking around all this time trying to find himself. That’s one thing a thetan can’t see, is himself. Very hard to do. So asking him where he’s not is closer to truth. Ask him where he is makes him try to look at himself, which is, again, the old technique of “put your attention on yourself.” That’s one of the oldest gimmicks that anybody uses to silence somebody or nail him down, is make them put their attention on themself.

And then we get up into the Emotional Scale and we find out that he starts to play around with Hate. What’s this thing, Hate? And we find out that as he goes up into Hate, he can’t have Hate, because Hate is hard. That’s the way you make hard emotional ridges: with Hate.

The fellow is talking along and he says, “I just don’t like girls.”

And then he’ll move on up the line into that and he’ll find out that perception itself consists of hardness. Seeing a facsimile, for instance, is impossible, unless the facsimile presents a hard surface. If you ever tried to look and see the surface of soft things, you’ll find out their surfaces are rather indefinite-they do not reflect well. But surfaces which are very, very hard, reflect very, very well. And so perception and hardness are equally there.

“Well, you don’t like girls, well that’s quite obvious. Have you ever thought of the fact that the girls probably don’t like you?” You know, put your attention on yourself.

And then he gets up into the band of Knowingness. Well, he finds out that what he knows is that he can have hard things. And you get him up to there, you’ve certainly graduated him through-and this would be a real rough case, by the way, that you’d have to go through on this. You get him all the way up through there and then you run things he doesn’t know about and a few things like that and clean that up. And if you slid in, then, with what was acceptable to him, in terms of the MEST universe, he would probably deteriorate bodies and things like that until they became bones. And then he’d try to deteriorate the bones till they became dust. There was something unsatisfactory about bones, he isn’t quite sure what, but he’ll go off into bones. And then the bones will go in a peculiar fashion or another and he’ll find out that he can’t accept the bones, really, but if the body disintegrated to dust, he could accept the dust.

Well, the auditor is doing that when he says, “Where are you?” All right.

And from the dust, we move on out into the acceptance of MEST universe objects. So that we go through the band of accepting life with this very difficult case and we find out that life is down to dust.

And then the auditor said, “All right. Now go over and find out what books there are in the library. Now you call off the titles of the books up there on the library shelf.” Then the auditor hides a ring under a cushion and he says, “Now,” he says, “come and tell me what’s under this cushion.”

Now, he’s, liable to discover-he probably will discover, somewhere on this track, this fact about everything has been disenfranchised. And that every life form thinks that some other life form is hoarding some of this dust. And the only way you can get some of these elements yourself is to eat or disintegrate or take away from-this dust or mysterious element-from other life forms. And that this hasn’t anything to do with the MEST universe, really. It’s just everybody’s conviction that they have to get these things by taking them away from others, which is the conviction that everything else owns but the individual. You see, everything else can have some dust, but he can’t have any dust, so therefore he has to eat other things. And he’ll go through that piece of knowingness.

By that time the prcclear practically gives up - unstable, very uncertain, new experience, all strange to him. He feels a little bit strange and degraded anyhow-he’s just lost a mass that he was very fond of, he thinks. And now he can’t find things exactly and his vision isn’t on well and so he pops back into his head.

Now, if you just keep your process rolling, okay. If you were to stop this process about in the middle of a guess and you were just suddenly to halt and not deliver into his hands any understanding of the situation by finishing off the process and just satiating his hunger, if you left him very starved and just knocked off the process, he would probably do a very good job of spinning for the next couple of days.

Now, you come along here another month or two later and you say, “All right. Now be three feet back of your head.” And he says, “I can’t move, I can’t budge.”

Well it’s-no sense, really, in going over these things. I don’t tell you in advance what you’ll find-you’ll probably find out what I’ve said to you will run out in the process of running this. Just what I’ve said to you this morning will probably run out.

Well, now it isn’t up to you at that moment to take the hard road, let’s take the easy road. Let’s find out if he’s been out of his head before in this lifetime. “Have you been audited before? Has anybody moved you out of your head before?”

Some of you may be slightly impeded for a moment or two, or take a pause on the line, and said, “Well I think this just because Ron said so.” All right, doesn’t matter. Because you’re on a process that’s bypassing symbols and significances and everything else. You’re just on a process that’s going straight on by those things and the fellow is getting more and more out of these significances.

Asking him if anybody has ever asked him to be out of his head before, by the way, may turn on some type of an incident like an operation, not auditing. See? We’re liable to immediately get a tale of having been almost killed and going someplace and never dared tell anybody that he’d gone there and, sure, he was dead but he wasn’t dead and he’s been kind of dragging himself around ever since. The fellow would never tell anybody that, unless you ask him it directly. “Have you ever moved out before?” Well it’s an obvious thing to ask him.

They find out that life has an obsession, which is a reversed obsession, of trying to put energy and mass into symbols, it’s trying to animate symbols somehow or another. And an individual’s obsession with this is a very peculiar thing, but it can get very, very bad, to where the only symbols that he can animate or have or something, have to be very correct and they have to be this way and that way. That’s just significance into the MEST universe. Individuals are trying to put significance into the MEST universe continually, whereas, there isn’t that much significance there.

Now, the other thing you’ll find is the individual has gone through an auditing session, then he’s gone home, he’s got to thinking about this. And all of a sudden he’s moved out of his head. Just to see if it could be done, he’s gone over and grabbed a hold of the drapes, he’s stuck on the drapes, he’s put a beam on the body, he couldn’t get the beam turned off, it scared him half to death, and flip! he went back into his body and he hasn’t been out since.

I’ll tell you how much significance is there. You take this fellow and you bring him in and you hypnotize him. And you say to him, “There’s an object sitting on your knee.” Well, he has to put an object there and put some significance there.

Well, he obviously can’t have MEST because MEST hangs on to him. The guy has an overdose of this consideration called gravity-gravity is a consideration-and he carries the concept of gravity along with himself as a thetan. So we find the individual having very strange ideas about what’s going to happen to him if he gets out and holds on to something. He’s going to stick there, that’s what’s going to happen to him. MEST grabs him, he doesn’t grab MEST.

And you say, “It will continue to sit on your knee and every morning when you wake up, you will find it sitting on your knee, from here on.” You would be utterly amazed at the mass of that object. Person was a good hypnotic subject, as he went along, he would have this mass. I don’t know what it was, maybe he put a small rhinoceros on his knee. Here’s a rhinoceros. Every morning he wakes up, he’ll see this damn rhinoceros-it’s got mass.

Well, how do you handle this? Well, let’s run that session. We find out the biggest thing that happened to him was he didn’t know. This was a cinch: he didn’t know and he couldn’t let go-that’s the old-usually the real thing. He didn’t know. That’s the big stop.

Well, that you can make a mind do this and that perception itself is parallel, in its disintegrating curve, with the curve of ownership, it’s disintegration-perception and ownership of the MEST universe disintegrate equally, at the same points of the curve, same curve. And that you can get somebody convinced this way and that he will then see and sense and experience a piece of mass that you have convinced him of, should tell you something about this MEST universe: that the conviction is so deep, that the way you undo the conviction is to run it backwards up to a point of complete satiation for the hunger this conviction brought about. And then the conviction will disintegrate and it won’t until then.

All right. We repair masses of the room in which this happened. We give him havingness in terms of the room in which it happened. We repair his havingness, we repair his knowingness. We could even just run the incident. Lot of ways to do it. The easiest one, by the way though, is to repair the havingness. Just give him lots of masses of that room and lots of masses of that body and lots of masses of that bed, in an acceptable level. You know, he might find out that the wall was actually a very beautiful wall, but the only way it’s acceptable to him is that wallpaper is all torn off and hanging.

So his conviction about masses and impacts, and his own destructibility and so forth, go by the boards when you have finally undone the superconviction of his own vulnerability, when you’ve undone the superconviction of the hardness and the unattainableness of the MEST universe and actually just above that, when you’ve undone the conviction of the MEST universe. You’re not interested, though, in undoing that one. He’ll undo it.

Ran a preclear not too long ago who found out his acceptance level of the childhood home was two rickety boards propped up, one against the other, to make a “V,” inverted “V,” that was his level of acceptance. Snapped in like mad after he did that.

I give you this as a recommended procedure, just as I’ve gone over it here, for a case that’s quite difficult. Now, what kind of a procedure do we use on somebody who is a Step I or who is exteriorized? If we will use a lot of duplication on the individual and a lot of occupation of spaces, we’ll find out that his stability, certainty and perception will increase markedly.

Well anyway, our preclear, then, has had an experience, which is a bad experience, which is directly in parallel with what you’re trying to get him to do. And if he’s had a bad experience directly in parallel with what you’re trying to get him to do, he has, of course, made the postulate that it must never happen again. And he’s probably running already on postulates that say “things can only happen once” or “I must be original” or something of this sort. You’re not interested in what the postulate is. The thing to do is to find the area of the incident and remedy its havingness. That’s the fastest way to do it. That’s the quickest way.

We do that in this fashion: We say, “Duplicate the room. Duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it. Throw it away.”

I tell you, even these very, very Black V’s could get acceptable things that snap in on them if you make them jockey around long enough.

And we go over object after object, thing after thing, space after space, in this fashion, and his perception begins to sharpen quite markedly.

All right. So this is repairing a case, patching a case up.

Now we say, “Be the space back of your body.” Or we could say this at any time, “Be the space back of your body, the space of your body, the space of the room, the space of your body, the space of the room, the space of the house, the space of your body, the space back of your body, the space in front of your body, the space of the room, the space of the house.” Each time he’s-just occupies that amount of space and is that amount of space and so forth.

All right. Let’s say for three weeks you’ve been auditing Bill and, at the first of this week or four weeks, you’ve been auditing somebody else and then Bill. And then the first of this week, you all of a sudden got a new preclear-you haven’t audited this preclear before. If you just took off and assumed that this case had just been running in a certain way and fashion and you never did anything about the former auditing, oh, well, you’re just going to set yourself up the nicest little failure you ever saw. It’s a lead-pipe cinch there have been auditing breaks. Not code breaks, auditing breaks-just lousy auditing.

When we’ve done that for a little while, we find his perception and certainty have increased quite markedly. And we will then find some kind of a mass, I don’t care if it’s a sofa in the room or a chair or an ashtray or something of the sort, but we’ll ask him to interiorize and exteriorize and interiorize and exteriorize from some small mass. Then we will find a slightly larger mass and interiorize and exteriorize him from that mass. “Be inside it, be outside it,” you see, again, that’s Change of Space. Then gradually, as he gets better at this, we try to turn him loose. We say, “All right. Now move yourself in and out of it as rapidly as possible.”

You’ll find this is what normally he tells you. “Well, I kept getting this big, yellow light out in front of me and it looked like the old lamp and so on and the auditor said not to pay any attention to it and go on and do something else. But,” he said, “I couldn’t get anything else but the lamp,”

Now, if this individual starts to blur out on you and go anaten, it is because he has moved into too much significance. There’s havingness trouble there. So if he starts to blur out on you, we simply back him off and start an avalanche on him, by getting acceptable pieces of MEST. And we just run a gradient scale of acceptable pieces of MEST until we’ve got a roaring avalanche running on him. Every time he starts to dope-off, you’re having trouble on the subject of scarcity of MEST. The trouble is scarcity of MEST. And so we just give him more MEST and let him make large masses and he feels much happier. You just have him put out eight anchor points and snap them in on himself and he’ll eventually feel better.

Well, now that you’re into avalanches and so forth you’re going to find out that somebody has abruptly and crudely stopped an avalanche and didn’t let it run or something like that and the guy is parked there with that avalanche. It’s only the parallel, you see, it’s only that you’re trying to do what’s already been done to the individual and been done poorly, see. It’s only the fact that you’re paralleling these two things that makes it strange and peculiar that you have to remedy auditing. It isn’t auditing is terribly aberrative, or bad auditing, it’s just the fact that you’re now going straight up against what, in the field you’re trying to do, are now heavy locks, you see? Just because of that. So you have to remedy this.

But the trick is to make him get denser and denser objects. Now, let’s say that the individual had difficulty doing this, a lot of difficulty, have him waste hardness in brackets. Have him waste impacts in brackets. Well, you just have him waste these things and have him waste these things many, many times around, because it’s quite a subject-hardness and impacts.

You can chase the preclear around, if you’ve got the preclear even vaguely exteriorized, chase him around to his own room, the place he eats, the lecture hall and the auditing rooms. But don’t omit his own room, because he might have done some self-auditing and he might have been audited there and don’t omit the fact that he may have been audited in somebody else’s room. And don’t omit the fact that he’s probably been audited all over the place before he came to the Unit.

Now, we go on up into the stars and the planets, we take him on a Grand Tour. We interiorize him and exteriorize him and have him dive through planets. And, particularly, we interiorize him and exteriorize him from larger and larger masses and then we go on through the rest of the steps I’ve already given you on 8-0.

This means, in terms of patch-up, that you want to start the case, when you really get down to brass tacks, in the most optimum shape possible. So let’s patch the case up and then start to audit it. And if you keep that in mind, you will get that there’s a slight difference. You’re going to patch the case up and then you’re going to start to audit it. You’ll find that some of the patch-up work won’t give you enormous gains that you can see. They’ll just put the preclear back to battery again, put the preclear in a state.

There is a very fast way to increase somebody’s certainty: If somebody is being audited who is already exteriorized and is getting less perception than before, there must have been something happened to his havingness-unreality, you see, is just that. So you’ve exteriorized him and you’ve disenfranchised him to some slight degree of a body and then you’ve not repaired his havingness.

Now, there are some people here that say, as Step I’s, they have deteriorated in their certainty. Somebody must have sent them out to find things or there must have been some invalidative sequence or another which is peculiar to this.

Well, it’s easy to do that. Just exteriorize the fellow and move him around a little bit. Just like I said: have him duplicate some things several times and have him move into various spaces and occupy them. And then before you have him move in and out of any objects, have him waste hardness and waste impacts, just to break the setup on that And sometimes you have to boost this along a little bit with some emotional particles. Enjoyment, you know, is the first invitation in and courage is the first resistance out. Enjoyment is a little bit of a pull in, you know, and courage is a little bit of an outflow.

Now, I’ll show you another way to patch up a Step I, in terms of certainty. We just go on the same pattern I was showing you this morning. I want you to do this, by the way, if you can. If you can’t do it, do it anyway, while interiorized, because this is a light one and an easy one.

You can run courage/enjoy-“be courageous, enjoy it; be courageous, enjoy it,” and you’ll get this little zzt-zzzz. You’ll set up a vibration-in, out, in, out, in, out.

Be about ten feet back of your head. You are ten feet back of your head.

All right. Sometimes you can boost masses in just by running courage. And sometimes your individual is so much in fear that you have to run a little Courage Processing, some particle he can’t have. But you can neglect that if you just went ahead and did what I’m telling you about here, which is to say, you have him waste hardness and waste impacts in brackets.

Now duplicate the room.

If his perception is terribly black, have him waste some black machines while he’s exteriorized. Do a lot of these things while he’s exteriorized. And then start moving him in and out of objects and if we’d done that for a very little while-interiorize-exteriorize-and he starts to go dopey on us, we realize that there’s something again has been upset on the subject of his havingness. So let’s give him some more mass.

Ten feet back of your head. You’re ten feet back of your head and duplicate the room.

It means this, when an individual dopes-off or boils-off, that something has happened that is reductive of his havingness. It’s always reductive. It is the bounce away from the wall that knocks somebody unconscious, not the impact with the wall. So you remedy his havingness.

Duplicate it again. Again. Duplicate it again. Duplicate the room again. Duplicate it again. And again. And again. And again.

Now, just like this case I was just telling you about, the individual-he couldn’t go in and out of this planet without landing at an exact distance. Here was an automaticity of some sort and this showed up and it was plaguing him and it was upsetting him and Jupiter kept coming through. So we start to move him in and out of Jupiter and, “Yes sir, that’s the same thing, I’m landing the exact distance outside of Jupiter” and he’s going in and out of that. Well, we must figure there must be some kind of an impact there, so we could just waste impacts and this other would turn up.

Now throw those duplicates away. Do anything you want with them, it doesn’t matter.

But we don’t worry about it. You say,.“Well, there must have been some kind of an impact here, some kind of a loss here, resulting from impact.” You see that’s a contradiction, “a loss resulting from an impact.” An impact results in a havingness, so when you get an impact with a loss, you’re running backwards and it’s a big “maybe.” How can you have an impact and have a loss? Well, you can’t.

All right. Duplicate the room. Now change this duplicate around.

But an individual has these things happen to him so that hangs up, so that’s the blackness of loss. That tells him, “I can’t have an impact without losing.” Well, the only way he can have anything is with an impact. So this means he can’t have impacts because he’ll lose and it puts him in this horrible squirrel cage of a “maybe.”

Now duplicate what you’ve just gotten. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it.

So we have him move in and out of something, he starts to go anaten, he starts to move at this exact distance, it reminds him of another planet. Well, figure out something that might have hit the planet; have other planets run into it. Have him mock-up planets running into it or, oh, I don’t care what. And he can’t get these planets to run into each other, well, you’ll certainly assume, then, that he must have a residual force which is pulling them apart. So put one planet inside the other planet and have it spring out. Just reverse the force vector. You can’t get him to land or crash a spaceship, well, have him have a spaceship in the middle of the planet and have it spring outside the planet.

Now do whatever you please with those duplicates.

Now, this is very interesting. The disenfranchisement comes about through trying to handle energy with energy or mass in influence with mass, to this degree: An individual who has fallen, of course, can’t have Earth. He’s done a lot of falling-he can’t have Earth, you see?

All right. Now duplicate the building. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it arid duplicate it. Smash all the duplicates together.

He must say, “I don’t want that.” Well, that’s a silly thing, because the thing that’s falling he might want and so forth, but he’s not falling, he can’t be falling. And this shouldn’t disenfranchise him, but he’s convinced that it does. And so he runs fresh out of ownership of Earth, because he doesn’t want it, because it’s down there and it’s coming up at him and he doesn’t want it, that’s all.

All right. Throw them away.

Now, such an individual will-if you’re having trouble with this case particularly, you ask the case, “Did you ever have any serious falls?”

Now duplicate the building.

“Well, none that I know about,” he says. “Except the time ... well, no, none really, except the time I fell off the barn, the time I... Yes, well, there was that time I fell off the barn.”

Now change it. Change it again. Change it again. Change it again. Change it again.

“Then I was painting that house one day and I fell those five stories” and so forth. “And the time I almost fell off the flagpole” and so forth. And he says, “Gee, yes, I’ve fallen a lot of times.” He won’t remember this right off the bat. And what do you do?

Duplicate what you now have. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it. Smash the duplicates together. Do what you please with them.

You can wear out the force in it by courage and enjoyment about falling, that sort of thing, that’ll just shake the ridge loose. That’s not the best way to do it, but it’s a way to do it and it will work. Or as he falls, you have him fall backwards. You know, put himself on the planet and have him fall upwards. Put himself in the middle of a planet and have him fall out of the planet. You know, upwards-have him fall upwards, upwards, upwards, upwards and more things will turn up. All of a sudden, his ability to have Earth is improved.

All right. Now get a dog’s body that you have exteriorized from. Let’s just assume for a moment you’ve exteriorized from a dog’s body, not your body.

A serious fall will disenfranchise an individual, merely because he has to make the postulate during the fall that he can’t have what he’s going to fall on. Mustn’t let it close terminals with him.

Now pat the dog on the head and say, “Poor dog, nice dog.”

And duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him. Smash them all together. Do what you please with them.

Now let’s get a horse body and say we’ve just exteriorized from this horse.

That’s what we are right now, a horse.

We’ve just exteriorized from this horse’s body and get the nice feeling of how nice it is to eat oats, get the horse there.

Now duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him and duplicate him.

Okay. Smash the duplicates together.

Do what you please with the mass.

Okay. Now be the space back of your body.

Space of your body. Space behind your body.

Space of your body. Space behind your body.

Space of your body. Space behind your body.

Space of your body. Space behind your body.

Space of your body.

Space of the room. Space of the body.

Space of the room. Space of the body.

Space of the room. Space of the body.

Space of the room. Space of the body.

Space of the room. Space of the body.

Get a body that is now acceptable to you. Be ten feet back of it. Duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it. And smash them all together.

Throw them away.

Okay. Duplicate your body. Duplicate it again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

Smash them all together.

Okay. Give me three things you don't have to be certain of.

Give me three things that won’t make you unconscious.

Give me three places you’re not.

Give me three things you don’t want to be in the future.

Three things you don’t mind if you are in the future.

Three places you’re not.

Give me some things now that don’t make you unconscious instantly.

All right. Only those people who are exteriorized with fair or good certainty do this next one.

Be up over Phoenix.

Find a mass of rock.

Be in the center of the mass of rock.

Exteriorize from it.

Interiorize into it.

Exteriorize.

Interiorize.

Now make yourself move out of it.

Now have yourself move into it.

Now move in and out of it rapidly and with increasing rapidity.

In and Out of it.

Okay. Be over Phoenix.

Be over Phoenix, duplicate Phoenix. Duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it, duplicate it. And change it into Chicago.

Change it into Phoenix.

Make it be a different color.

Another color.

Duplicate it, duplicate it, throw it away.

Be ten feet back of your head.

Give me some places you’re not.

All right. Give me some things that you can have at this instant.

Things you’re very certain you can have.

And some more places you’re not.

Okay. Be where you please.

End of session.

Anybody’s perception, picked up now? Hm?

Audience: [various responses]

Sure. That doesn’t sound to me like very tough auditing. Does that sound like it’s tough to do?

Well now, anybody whose case is deteriorated just needs some more of that, if this little span here didn’t remedy it. It’s very easy to do.

What happened to you?

Female voice: I don'y know. I just passed out.

Oh, I’m talking about kicking people out of their bodies and hypnosis.

Female voice: Something hit me in the face and brought me back, but I don't know what happened or where I was or anything...

You don’t know where you went, huh?

Female voice: Complete amnesia, until something hit me in this direction.

Good.

Have something hit you in the face again and bring you to.

Female voice: [laughs]

Have something hit you in the face again and bring you to.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

Something hit you in the face and bring you to.

Have something drift away from you and you become unconscious.

Have something drift away and you become unconscious again.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

Something drift away and you become unconscious.

Feel better?

Something hit you in the face now and bring you to.

Now have something hit you in the face and bring you to again.

Something hit you in the face and bring you to.

Something else hit you in the face and bring you to.

Something else hit you in the face and bring you to.

Now have something slide away from you and become unconscious.

Have something do it again.

Female voice: I feel like I’m hypnotized.

Okay.

Female voice: I’m refusing ...

We’re talking about hypnosis.

Female voice:... to go fly away—and I was alive ...

All right.

Female voice:... and yet I’m conscious.

Put the chair into a sudden hypnotic condition that’ll surprise it.

Put the ceiling into the same state.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

The table in front of you into the same state.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

Put your left foot into the same state.

Female voice: Mm.

Your right foot into the same state.

Female voice: Yeah.

Wake your right foot up.

Female voice: [laughs]

Wake your left foot up.

Huh?

Female voice: I woke up my left foot.

Okay. Fine, fine, good.

Reverse the right side of your body and the left side.

Reverse them back again.

Reverse them back again.

Female voice: Okay.

All right. And have the bulletin board become unconscious.

Have it slapped in the face and brought to.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

All right. Hypnotize the front door.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

Slap it and bring it to.

Okay. Hypnotize your necktie and have it go unconscious.

Slap it and have it come to.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

Feeling better?

Female voice: Yeah.

Yeah.

Female voice: Yeah!

Yeah, all right.

Female voice: Thanks.

You bet.

Now, here’s the other thing we’re going to do now, and everybody can do this. Let’s get this-let’s everybody get this one.

I want you to repeat the earliest automaticity that you remember having occurred in auditing. And duplicate it.

The earliest automaticity which occurred in auditing that you can recall right now, and duplicate it. And duplicate it. And duplicate it. And duplicate it. And just continue to duplicate.

Now, all right. Now let’s pick up another automaticity which occurred in auditing, that you recall, pick it out, make it happen again. And duplicate it many times.

Okay. Now let’s pick up another automaticity which has now probably occurred to you, that occurred during auditing, and let’s repeat it and duplicate it many times.

Okay. Now let’s waste a machine that gives you things. Waste it for sure, a machine that gives you things.

Now somebody else waste a machine that gives them things.

Get two other people and have one of those waste the machine of the other, that gives the other things.

Now have somebody waste your machine that gives you things.

And you waste somebody else’s machine that gives them things.

All right. You have some kind of an idea of the machine now, duplicate it. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it. And pull all the masses together and put them on your head.

Okay. Let’s find the two hack corners of the room. And sit there and don’t think.

Okay. Make up your mind when you’re going to let go of them and let go. Let go of them again.

All right. Now let’s take the worst session you’ve had. Duplicate it. And duplicate it. And change it. And duplicate the change and duplicate it, duplicate it. Move it somewhere else. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it. And change it. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it. And throw it away.

Okay. Now, one little note on this-black machines. Some people around here still getting some blackness, probably. Just those people now, nobody else, just those people that have some blackness as their chief worry. I want you to turn things in the vicinity black, by keeping them from becoming black.

All right. Now let’s pick out some object and keep it from becoming black.

Another object, ditto.

Make it turn black by keeping it from becoming black now, please. Another object, ditto. Another object, ditto. Another object, ditto. Another object, ditto. Another one. Another one. Another one.

You doing that?

Make them turn black by keeping them from becoming black. All right.

All right, just say, “Don’t get black now” and kind of strain at it and keep it from becoming black and then turn it black.

You’ll probably have to do both actions now. Say, “Don’t get black” and then make it get black.

And now start picking up objects and saying, “Get black” and make them turn black.

A lot of them.

Okay. Now, get an object-be yourself and get an object, which is not black, and have it remain as it is.

Try that again. And again. And again. Okay.

Now anybody who has a predominance of soft facsimiles, soft ridges-buttery, massy stuff-whose facsimiles aren’t hard and sharp, anybody whose facsimiles aren’t hard and sharp. Close your eyes, pick out a mass in the area and make it get buttery-you know, soft.

Pick out another hard mass in the area and make it get soft.

And another one. And another one-just continue to do that.

More of them, have them get soft.

More of them, have them get soft.

Now pick out one and don’t make it soft.

Be yourself, pick out one, don’t make it soft. If that one did, get another one.

Okay. That working?

Did you make some get soft?

Audience: Mm-hm.

Okay. Now, put something up against the wall over there and make it go splat and form a hard plate. You know, some kind of a liquid or something, make it go splat on the wall, black liquid or something, and make it form a hard plate.

Another one. Another one. Another one.

Now put up your own wall and put a liquid against it, splat, and make the hardness of the wall you’ve put up, make it go into a hard plate. Do that.

Now get the idea of your own body going utterly soft, whole body going soft.

Now make it get hard.

Now make it get soft. And hard. And soft. And hard.

Okay. Now anybody who can, now, if not before, let’s be a distance back of the body, a distance back of the body-any distance. And duplicate the room. And duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it and duplicate it.

Push all the duplicates together.

Make it into a hard mass.

Push it in on yourself.

Be where you please.

Find your feet beneath the floor.

Anybody’s perception picked up here?

Anybody’s certainty of exteriorization picked up a little bit? Hm?

Anybody’s certainty of exteriorization picked up here?

Okay. If you asked the preclear that and he said, “Well, no” and his uncertainty of exteriorization is his prime worry, you could run a little Straightwire. “Give me some things that you’re sure you’re not in.” And it straightens up a lot of certainty on this.

Okay. Well, so much for that. That, in essence, is case patch-up.

Female voice: Now, when I was first in the-taking a course in England and it had a good standard. And I-the first day, I could get out and see things a bit more and had visio and color. Then we changed Instructors. And this Instructor used to, if you got out, and if he didn't know whether you got out or not, but you're in session and he thought you were dopey, he'd come along and kick you. I'm in deep anger now, I'm in a rage about this.

Well you found out what’s wrong.

Female voice: Sure. I've had enough-what he's been doing to everybody else?

That’s right. Remember I told you the first session here, I gave you here, one of the first things I told you in this Unit is stirring them up out of boil-offs and that sort of thing abruptly and so on, is an abrupt change of survival pace.

Female voice: I used to be so well exteriorized, but I mean, I was scared in the end. To get away and leave my body because I knew someone always kicked mine, [laughter]

There’s another test you should run on somebody who’s exteriorized, is get him used to having the body. This is another drill. It’s not that kind of a drill, you don’t catch him in boil-off and do that. But you get somebody who is exteriorized and then you administer a gradient scale of sensation or pain to the body, which is up to tolerance for them, so that it doesn’t snap them back in. You could actually get them up to a point where you could cut their head off and they wouldn’t snap back in. [laughter] That’s known as the pain test.

Okay.