What turned up, while I was talking there, is a man who - I mean, an old man - he figured that was pretty bad.

Is being an old man real bad?

And here we have a discussion of the technique we were talking about this morning, which is to say Step II of Standard Operating Procedure 8. And our discussion could concern itself with what you have observed directly, of course, but it also should first concern itself with what difficulty, if any, you have with the technique, or what question you have about the technique or any question remains in your mind concerning the technique.

Male voice: It seemed to me at that time that it was. And that - I felt very sorry for that old man in the picture.

Before I go into that, however, I'm going to - I remember an old gag. One day a rooster had been outside the barnyard. The rooster was pushing an ostrich egg. And he pushed this ostrich egg to the barnyard fence - he pushed this big ostrich egg. And he got into the barnyard and all the hens gathered around. And he looked around him and he said, "I don't mean to complain, girls, but I wanted to show you what's being done elsewhere."

Mm.

So this really isn't in that spirit. But ...

Male voice: And for myself when I would get old.

Well, what can happen? I had a year to make an organization out of nothing, and it got there. But I had a year to train and indoctrinate people and they fortunately started out straight up from SOP 1. And I actually released the first codified procedure in Great Britain with the first lecture which I made to British auditors. There was a little group there about twice the size of this group and we were able to push everything along pretty well and watch the results and see what happened. And it's really just begun to happen over there. But look at the - look at the techniques they're willing to use.

Mm-hm. Well, here we're getting into some clues on such a line. Understand this is no treasure hunt. And we don't have to worry too much or think too much about such a thing unless a case starts giving us some trouble.

I'll read you some of these things.

The way a case starts giving you trouble, normally, is when the case is too introverted on some particular point that you can't get the case on any other point.

This is a preclear who is seventy-six years of age - female. She had a pain in her right shoulder from a motor accident. She had rheumatism in the left leg and she had inflammation of the bladder due to an operation and it's - had endured for seven years. And lots of medical classification and the previous case history available. And the disability had not disabled her to a considerable extent but it had made her considerably uncomfortable very uncomfortable.

Now, for instance, the other day, same pc - if you don't mind my mentioning it - you said that you'd "blown his mother's head off" - you'd "blown his mother's head off" two or three times and a terrific amount of sonic had turned on, after all the explosions he was getting.

Well, these original report forms, the British - written down here is the number of hours in session. And this has been altered, in all the reports I receive these days, to minutes. And number of minutes in session: "Thirty minutes." The technique employed is Straightwire and Shifting Centers, Certainty and Step I - exteriorization. In other words, they did Straightwire, Shift Centers, Certainty, Step I and then they got her exteriorized. I don't know where this case was at the beginning, but it couldn't have been too far down the line, believe me.

Well, if I'd given him an assessment, we would have found a drop on Mama. And actually it's - be a long ways toward case solution if we just took and - just as a guess; doesn't have to be true - if we just sat up and started blowing Mama's head off just gorgeously and get Mama blowing his head off; just gorgeously. And just get a battle royal on the subject of blowing heads off and we obviously would pick up a tremendous amount of chatter. There's how we'd increase sonic in the bank, see?

Now, the technique workability or defects noted: "Excellent workability." And now we have the results noted - when discharged: "Wonderfully relaxed after processing. Pc returned home but a later letter states all is well." And the difference in appearance: "Can't tell as she is not in the area."

But your cases are marked by their "can't survives." And that is the ratio we're interested in. So, we start to do this mock-up (getting back to what we were talking about) and we'll have a case on the second stage. Well, boy, that's a sensation. Somebody said one time the paymaster of the Fifth Invader Force was sensation - paid in sensation. They wanted to be an effect; they wanted to be the effect of sensation.

Well, that's one case of seventy-six. Everybody knows you can't do psychotherapy on a person above fifty.

All right. If we start ladling this stuff on one way or the other, we find out with great readiness that the pc is unwilling to desert a certainty of sensation for a complete uncertainty about sensation. And the case would have a tendency to hang up right there.

Okay. Now, here we have a boy who's thirteen years old and he had asthma. Now, this is the beginning and a lot of these will start coming in on the asthma program because the HAS in Great Britain has simply set out to knock out asthma in Great Britain. "Had asthma especially in winter and caused by the east winds - and usually Christmas. And it's..." so on and so on, but it's, oh yes, "Tradition of asthma on the father's side and it's endured since birth." And the medical classification: "Asthma." Psychiatric classification (present doctor) - this evidently has something to do with psychiatry. And the extent that the disability has inhibited him: "His attack lasts for one or two weeks in bed." Otherwise, it didn't hit him hard. Number of - again, cross out - number of minutes in session: "Fifty-five." Technique employed: "Straightwire, Shift Centers, Wasting and Enforcing good air, also bad air”. And that was the routine procedure I laid down on asthma, with the fact that we had some Straightwire and Shifting Centers thrown in there too.

Well, by Creative Processing, if you just got a gradient scale of sensation and then drilled the case until he got terrific positiveness on it - you'd do it on a gradient scale if you just want to solve this thing on a subjective level. There are lots of other ways to solve it, you understand. But if you wanted to solve it on a subjective level, you would get him feeling tension in a finger and then feeling a little pain in the finger and then feeling no pain in the finger. And just take him at random and drill him and drill him and drill him in that mock-up just as he's doing this, see? That's something else to do.

All right. Technique workability or defects noted: "Wasted good air five times and also enforced three times and then increased speed. And the fourth waste of bad air, rapid clouds of green, red, black, gray and white flew off; and enforced bad air as wavy fingers and bubbles included in second enforcement; and exteriorization - pam! Step I." Second session: "Second session was forty-five minutes of SSSA. Had to handle father's and mother's and brother's heads on opposite poles. Certain that winds and so forth will not cause him asthma and he looks more alert and happier. Meter wasting/enforcing air, the pc was not sure whether winds would give him asthma or not. Ran double terminals on 'Air gives me asthma - air doesn't give me asthma' and 'I want air' and 'I do not want air' and 'Birth gave me asthma - did not give me asthma.' And this gave him certainty on that and after that, why, he was certain winds didn't give him asthma."

And get that mock-up standing up there or sitting down. You put a little pain in his finger and a little pain here and a little pain there and a little uncomfortable feeling someplace else. Get him so he monitors it so he can do this with great speed. Then have him start picking up a little bit of titillation, sexual sensation and so on.

Here's another one: "Thirteen. Male." No previous report. And he was "born with eczema and asthma. And asthma stopped at two years and left hay fever." And he's had this condition bad; been bad off since birth. He's had hay fever, no cure, the doctors had stated to him. All right. Psychiatric: Well, they didn't know. Extent disability has inhibited activity: "Allergy to cats, pollen and..." a couple other items here. Oh, my, my, my, here's a long list of things - here's a long list of things to which he's allergic. Number of - again crossed out - minutes in processing: "Fifty." "Straightwire, Shift Centers and Certainty on Troubled Parts ran twice, double terminals, on..." these various things on which he was allergic, such as cats and fish and eggs and so forth and so on. And then Step I - exterior.

Another way to do this is to get the preclear - just sit him down and say, “All right, now have that table get apathetic. Make the table be apathetic. Now make the table be angry. Now put the table into grief. Now put the table into antagonism. Now put it into boredom. Now make the table enthusiastic" - until he can feel these emotions back.

You notice he's working this technique, by the way, backwards. He should be working it quite in reverse to this, but he's still getting there.

And he'll start freeing up emotionally, rather fantastically. All the time he's saying, "Why, it's nonsense. The table doesn't feel like that but I can just make it feel like that." And then all of a sudden he'll come to this horrible conclusion: he'll come up, "You know, I do that. That's the way I make things feel. I can make people feel this way and that way and that's the way they feel back to me again."

Technique workability or defects noticed: "Worked most positively. Strong tendency to go into an engram which he was kept from doing. And he appeared happier. And he put his head in a bush full of the pollen to which he is allergic and took several lungsful. It didn't even vaguely upset him."

So, you give him drills. This particular person would be interested in emotion. So that's an emotional drill and that is just what it's called and that is a proper technique - an emotional drill.

Male voice: That's what you call certain.

That is, by the way, another cross technique which is an extrovert-introvert technique, see? But it is much better as an extrovert technique and can be classified as such. Because you're really in contest with MEST. You take a look at the lamp, and you say about the lamp...

Well, here is almost the identical case history: another thirteen-year-old boy. "Eczema at birth left asthma; acute in winter," and So on and so on and so on, winds, and so on, and medical classification: "Asthma." "Dislike of sleep during attack and attack lasts three or four days." And this again is thirty minutes. "Shift Centers, Straightwire, Certainty run twice on 'something here,' and so forth. Then Step I - exterior. Immediate certainty after process that the above would not give him asthma." Second session: "Forty-five minutes of SSSA. Had to handle Mother's head and own upside down. And he's alert and brighter."

All right, well, let's do this as a drill here in the room. I'll show you what it's talking about.

Well, here's a male case: "Fifty-six. Pain in right thigh and knee, some rheumatism, but said it was due to a cut muscle in a fistula operation." And how long has this endured: "It's endured about seven years." And he's had operations. And the extent the disability has inhibited him: Well, he'd seize up and - after sitting - and so forth and various manifestations. Thirty minutes is the number of - amount of processing and his - technique was employed is Certainty on the Past and Step I - exterior. The technique workability or defects noted: "Excellent" and "No pain" - this is after difference in appearance - "No pain. Freedom from weather affecting the limb. Pc could not be sure for about ten days but now is so."

Let's take a look at the lamp and have the lamp feel bored.

And - well, there's no reason to go on. I've got some more. But the point is that there is where your techniques are narrowing down.

Male voice: Yeah.

Now, you have a tradition of long cases because you came in with Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. Your viewpoint on cases is a long viewpoint. We haven't had that viewpoint in Great Britain. The auditor isn't sitting there with a postulate that he's going to have to work at it. As a result he works very short and snappy on the whole thing.

All right, now have the lamp feel like it's going to yawn.

Now - gives you some idea that if you had a very positive approach on a technique and you just went right after it in a businesslike fashion, the Q-and-A factor of processing would be way up. See, you get that Q-and-A difference there. And more important than that, you would spend a little time sitting there sorting it out. You'd spend time before you processed rather than time during processing.

Now have the lamp feel a little bit resentful at being stared at.

Just taking a look at the guy, you see he's rather heavily built, you see he's this, you see he's that. He talks for a little bit and doesn't pay much attention; he's got a specific reason why he came to see you; he's wary. Or if you're just processing him under duress - you know, sort of pinned him in a subway or something - he's got a specific reason for not talking to you. And with all this we have fast processing.

Now have the lamp feel antagonistic towards you.

And if I could I would pull this trick. It's a dangerous trick; it'll lose you preclears just by the fact they won't come back. I ordinarily for some reason or other am doing this. I will process somebody or talk to somebody in two sessions. In the first session, just the first session, I'll just talk to them. I'll not ask them to do anything. And I won't talk to them for longer than about five or ten minutes. Just an interview to find out whether or not they're going to be processed according to them. And twenty-four hours later, bust their case wide open; make them come back at the same period the next day.

Now have it start getting mad at you.

Well, this doubles up the amount of appointments you have or something like that. But you would discover, I am sure - I'm not advising you to do this; it's not a vital thing; it's just a matter of opinion - that you would lose, in doing so, in the preclear, that barrier which he erects the first time he ever meets anyone. And you would have, then, on your second session a preclear who had already tested the surroundings and found them not dangerous.

Now have it feel griefy.

Whereas, if he were to put up his barrier and you started processing him, he's trying to do two things at once: get used to his environment and so forth. Also, he would have a reluctance to confide in you unless he'd known you for some time. Well, twenty-four hours is good enough. He now knows you, see. He hasn't just met you. This makes a slight difference.

Now put it into apathy.

Well, the fact that he isn't holding in is very good for an auditor. An auditor then finds it quite easy to simply drop his - drop into his space or drop some space around him, so to speak, just to include him in. You're not operating, then, against a barrier. And it's a pretty good practice and I would at least do it this way. I don't follow that down with kids. Kids are pretty overt. You talk to them and so forth, and it only takes a couple of moments to adjust a child to where he is, because he's not lost, whereas your preclear is lost.

Now have it get enthusiastic.

I would do it on somebody who appeared to be to me a rather difficult case. I look at this person and I give him a couple of test questions and all of a sudden realize I'm looking at a very rough, rough case, according to his own lights, and just make him come back twenty-four hours later. And explain it to him on the order of "Well, your case is a very special one and I don't have quite enough time to give you what you deserve right here at the moment. And so you come back in twenty-four hours, because I'm very interested in your case because I've never seen quite anything like it." And you're all set. He'll come back - don't worry about that - if you tell him that. And all he's doing is giving you - he's holding up a mock-up for you to admire anyhow. And he's held it up to everybody and finally gotten in the habit of doing so. Now he knows he's in trouble, but he doesn't know why he's in trouble and he's forgotten why he's started to do this thing. It's all very simple. Now, you don't - you don't get him anyplace by simply telling him, "You're just doing this thing because you want somebody to admire your mock-ups." Yeah, that's really the only reason he's doing it. All right.

Male voice: Hey, the light got brighter.

What then is the solution on a very difficult case as far as processing is concerned? If a case is difficult, the case isn't looking and the case is wary. The case is in present time on a hectic or arduous or apathy basis - they're just there - and it's a present time to which they're completely unaccustomed and they're sure - they went there with the postulates "Something is going to happen," you see; "Something dreadful or something - the Chinese are going to jump out of the walls with long knives, or something of the sort and hack me to pieces if I take my attention off of that wall. And you don't want this to happen and..."

All right, now have it be afraid to be looked at any further.

You upset him when you say, "I'll come back tomorrow." You've introduced that lag and you upset him because you've upset his postulate. Well, that puts you with altitude. You made him wrong. Make him wrong that much, now you can make him wrong further, because he also has the postulate, "He can't do anything for me. There is no remedy." And you've made him right to that degree. He didn't get remedied that day. And he kind of has a tendency to lay it all aside.

Now have it be sensible of the proud duty it performs. Now have it know it's from China.

If I had a lot of very rough cases to do over again - and I do mean a lot of very rough cases - very, very rough cases; maybe rougher than you'll ever run into. Because these guys were, to a large degree, being processed under duress. They didn't want any processing, and so forth. And running into this, every time - mind you now, this is without - without a single exception - every time I'd process somebody who was a rough case, I have wished like mad before I was halfway through the session that I had simply dropped in an interview on the basis, because the person was fending so hard that we never had any time for processing and no energy left for anything but defense.

Thought concept - do you find it easier or harder to get a thought concept than an emotional concept?

Now, you see that? See what that is there? It's not a problem of you. It's a problem of the preclear. Of course, it gets you into the sloppy habit of thinking about it later. But you'll be surprised that this will happen: Your clarity on this person's case twenty-four hours later will be very great. Very great clarity. You'll know the next morning - you'll suddenly think about the case - you'll know exactly what's wrong with him.

Female voice: Harder.

Well, you really don't have to - you don't have to know that much to process these days. You don't have to have an intuition. We needn't enter any uncertainty or guesswork into it at all. But it does happen that that is the case. We know what we should have done. And if we didn't do it, then we can do it. An auditor who even vaguely is running "I know what I should have done," of course, now can do what he should have done because he didn't do it. Very simple. Well, so much for that.

Male voices: Harder.

The indoctrination of the British auditor is faster, shorter operation entirely. And it tells you something when you look at that little set of cases there: They're all on two sides of the easy process. Anybody can tell you in psychoanalysis that the processing of children is the most difficult thing anybody ever attempted. And they can tell you as well that the processing of very old people is the most difficult thing ever attempted. And these cases are all on the junior or the senior - senior side, on age.

Male voice: A little bit harder

Now, it might be a very good thing for you to just lay aside on a case that's going to take a long time. If you think it's going to take a long time as you confront the case, see him tomorrow.

Male voice: Condensed feelingness.

Now, a lot of you, in the processing you've done in this last week or so, have picked up a computation on the cases you have processed after you've processed the person. You go walking down the street and you all of a sudden say, "I know what was wrong with him." Then you might not get a crack at this preclear again right off the base. So if you have something like that - "I know what's wrong with him" - why, just go and bust his case. Just put it up. Just arrange scheduling or swap preclears or something and finish it off. Because it's a piece of unfinished business with you and you might as well run the cycle.

Well, you're looking at it from several feet away. Now, let's not get so far off. How far away are you from the lamp? You get the idea? Well, you're far enough away to feel - to have it feel emotional but - I mean, it's not so close but what you can feel emotion, but it'd have to be pretty damned close before you'd really get, automatically, without a lot of drill, a thought.

It is really too bad - too bad that we don't have right here at this moment a tradition of each one of you with a certainty on what you can do, but that is what we are trying to arrive at. A man is never an auditor until he's taken a case so fouled up that even slashing the Gordian knot or Standard Operating Procedure 45 couldn't possibly have cleared the case, worked on the case for a little while and had the case straighten out. This is quite an experience and the oftener it happens, the more certain the auditor gets that he can create an effect.

Therefore, a thought most easily comes into the center of your head because you're being hit every single moment of the day and night - if you're tuned to it precisely and if you've decided to be bothered by it - the MEST universe. And naturally being in the center of all this pummeling, the easiest place to think is in your head because the body keeps stopping these waves coming in. But to think out there, see, is more difficult than to emote out there. And it's very easy for you to look out there, isn't it, because that's your GE's looking distance.

If auditors could just create that effect, you see, they wouldn't ever need any processing, and their own cases just blow up in their faces. That's the truth of the matter. Because you say, "Wow, super!" create that effect and the rest of it starts following out.

One of the main things wrong with a thetan is the GE can look much closer than a thetan can. As you first start in a case, you'll find out this is ordinarily true. Your thetan's got to have hell and gone away from you before he can get a look. The thetan would be perfectly willing to take a beautifully clear look at Earth from way out in space, but he can't take a good solid look at a face which is a few feet away.

All right. What did you find out now about SOP 8, Step II?

So, therefore, I'm just offering that as a demonstration. You put emotion in it easier.

Male voice: Well, in running it I was content to just mock up one body out there in a chair and I could sit and look at it all day. It seemed pretty nice and interesting. However, I threw several of them away and...

Male voice: How about ridicule and betrayal? Doing ridicule and betrayal...

Hm? Male voice: I threw several of them away. And running it on the preclear, the preclear seemed to have better luck putting a new one up there periodically. It got a little better each time. Detail, in other words, was better.

All right, get that lamp feeling ridiculed.

But you kept putting them up there?

What are the moments of force which you feel around the lamp? Which direction is it going, if it's going any direction? Mm-hm.

Male voice: No, I didn't. The preclear did.

All right, get the lamp being betrayed now.

You didn't. You just put one up there and looked at it.

It's just the push out and pull in of anchor points.

Male voice: Oh, I put several but I'd just as soon put one and sit there and look at it.

All right, have the lamp now feel like it's a lamp.

Who let him do this?

Have it feel now just like another piece of MEST.

Female voice: I did.

Male voice: That's not a very good feeling!

Who?

Male voice: Believe that?

Female voice: Me.

Male voice: No.

You did that? Yeah, well, on that step level that you're processing there, they're very content to do that. And if you double-terminal them, they will hold them endlessly. They'd be perfectly happy about holding a double terminal there if they get it up at all. They'll just go on and hold it. There - it's a dramatization of no motion.

You don't like that feeling?

So the way to break this thing down is another method of doing it. I can give you a variation on that.

Male voice: I say it's not a very good one at all. I've tried that auditing a little bit.

You don't process the preclear sitting down. He's too happy about it. Anytime your preclear is too happy about a process, do something because it means it's not going anyplace. If he gets real happy about a process, line charging, that's something else. But if he's just content with this process, beat him to death.

Mm-hm.

Now, I'll show you how this works. Here you are. Come over here.

Male voice: I used to be pretty good at that.

Male voice: Chair?

Good.

Nope. Nope. No! That's just what we don't want.

Male voice: ... picking up MEST feelings.

Male voice: That's what I was afraid of

Okay.

LRH: Turn your back to the room - your back to the room. All right, now move one step to the right. That's right. Now move a step to the left. Move another step to the left. Move another step to the right. There we go. Now, as we are moving one step to the right and one step to the left, let's mock up the body in front of you doing just that and going through those motions until we get the full muscular coordination of this. All right, let's do that.

Male voice: You know, I get the computation that's a heck of a good drill for kids because they all - they have...

PC: Well, that's easy.

That's terrific.

LRH: That's real easy. Okay, let's see how much of the muscular sensation we can get into that mock-up.

Male voice: Mm-hm. They have that feeling very strong. And as we grow up we get away from it to a certain degree, but we've probably forgotten we ever did have it.

PC: Okay.

Yeah, but this is an emotional drill...

LRH: See how much of the muscular sensation you can get into it. Let's see if we can get the weight on the balls of the feet.

Male voice: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, I've got that.

.. and that's its name and it is complementing your looking techniques, you see? But to some degree it's an extroversion-introversion technique because you're not accepting the thing for what it is; you're putting something there to be accepted.

LRH: You got that?

Female voice: This is what we did in January and February under Nobility Processing.

PC: Yeah.

Under what?

LRH: Good.

Female voice: Nobility Processing.

PC: If you weren't the auditor of this I wouldn't like it.

Yeah, that's fascinating.

LRH: You wouldn't, huh?

Female voice: Very fascinating.

PC: Nah.

But, if you take a preclear who's locked up emotionally - an ECT case, an electric-shock case is a fascinating one. What do you want to do for an electric-shock case? Well, boy, if you could just turn on his emotion for him a little bit, he would be a happier person, immediately. Because that's what he misses. The ECT gets him all disconnected so that he doesn't respond easily or well emotionally anymore.

LRH: Okay, now put your arms out at shoulder height as a spread eagle. Okay, now get the body doing that.

That, of course, is the object of it. They want to make a piece of protoplasm there. Well, that's a good way to turn it off but the case will be your friend if you turn on his emotion for him. He'll go out and emote and disemote and emote at will. People come in and they're...

PC: Yeah.

Well, now get a mock-up in front of you - I'll show you what I mean - get a mock-up in front of you of somebody just howlingly and screamingly angry. Got that?

LRR: Now, move it from left to right.

Now, although you retain all the emotional aspects of the mock-up, let's shift the complete emotion of being howling and screamingly angry as far as appearance is concerned. Now, let's make the case bored; let's make the mock-up bored. This is making appearances lie.

PC: Okay.

Now let's make the person just mildly annoyed although they're screaming like mad.

LRH: Mock it up doing just that.

You got that?

PC: Mm-hm.

So what's the second part of your Step II drill? We were coming around to this slowly. What's the second part of your drill? You put some pain into that body and various and assorted aches, and put a little tactile in and so forth.

LRH: Got that?

If you want to really make this preclear real happy, you just keep changing the emotions in that mock-up and he gradually, little by little by little by little will feel less and less need to have the constant emotion as handed to him by the body. Because he's always been putting the emotion - he's always been taking the emotion from the body, rather than putting the emotion in the body, and you've merely succeeded in releasing or returning the flow - reversing the flow, you see? So it's quite an interesting technique.

PC: Yeah, that's easy!

All right. What do you do with this Step II then? You can mock them up sitting down; mock them up moving - muscular coordination, effort, see, weight, muscular coordination. Then we would put into them some emotion. We'd change their emotion all around in that mock-up; do that with great ease. If we didn't do it with great ease, it's indicated that we need an emotional drill on MEST.

LRH: Good, now let's twist at the hips as we take the step.

And the next thing up the line, of course, one would see it much better. Now, do you understand there? If you went up that gradient scale, you'll see it much better.

PC: Okay

How low can you start with the technique, then? You could start at the technique of thinking a body is there. A thought "a body is here" is good enough to start with. And you would run on up the line with that. Have you got that now?

LRH: That's right.

And what are we using? We're using our good old DEI: Look, Emote, Exert, Think. Look, Emote, Exert, Think. So you'd run "Look, Emote, Exert, Think" on this in this wise:

PC: Ah!

You'd put him out there. You could get the body thinking. And then the next thing you would do about it would be to get some effort in it. And then the next thing you would do about it would be get some emotion in it. Get him so he's good - real good at all these things, you see, little by little, and don't go up to the next one until he gets real good on the lower one. And then finally get him up to a point where the body could look like mad and then what do you know? You run the next step up with that mock-up in that beautiful condition - let's run thinkingness in it. And we find out that the preclear, immediately, is totally dependent in most cases upon - this is a real laugh - he's totally dependent upon the operation of the brain.

LRH: That's right.

You can waste brains on some preclears with remarkable results. The body thinks for him. And, of course, the body thinks in no other terms than "food," which is future security; "sex," future security; "Will I be injured?" future security. And all of these future security thoughts, of course ball up to the fact of "don't leave, don't move, don't bark," because security is a rock.

PC: Dancing!

In order to be really secure, you get a tremendous identity and the heaviest identity you can have is a rock. That's right. That's the way to get real solid. When you see some preclear who's real solid, he has security problems too.

LRH: Huh? There we go. Okay, get that mocked up real well. Let's see if we can get the heat in the body as it does that now.

So, that is the rest of "I." Now, how many carried it out that far and added up this morning's talk?

PC: Mm-hm.

Good.

LRH: Get the heat in it real well?

Male voice: This morning I was putting all the things I can locate around my present body into the one out there, like pain, weight...

PC: Yeah, pretty good. Not real good.

Listen. Listen. You were doing what in here? You were putting what you could locate...

LRH: All right, let's get the darkness inside the skull and let's look at that.

Male voice: That's right, that's right. I wasn't inventing anything.

PC: Oh, boy, that's easy.

.. over into the mock-up.

LRH: That's real easy. Well, get it over there in the mock-up.

Male voice: I know. I wasn't inventing anything.

PC: Yeah, sure. It was bound to be dark.

Well, does that spell an exact independence of your body?

LRH: That's right. Now, let's get some blobs of energy flying around the mock-up, as you stand this way.

Male voice: Oh, no! No!

PC: Yeah.

No! No! It sure doesn't. You have to look in the body to find something to put out in that mock-up.

LRH: Now let's shift them and make them blob the other way.

Male voice: Yeah.

PC: Boy, they're sure going all around him. Let's see now. All right.

Well, let's hit this one real square and let's think about this real hard.

LRH: All right, let's just mock up the rest of the room as the body is doing that now - no other people necessarily - just mock up the rest of the room.

Male voice: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

What you want to do is get the thetan so he can make that body feel any condemned way he wants it to feel. And when you've succeeded in convincing him that he can make something at a distance feel at will - even a mock-up - the whole attention on the thing will slide right off.

LRH: Got that?

Because what he's worried about is that he can't change the emotion of the body; he has to wait for the body to eat or sleep or see something pretty in order to have an emotion so he can feel it. Well, you just reverse this line and you've got it.

PC: Yeah.

So you were putting everything you could find in your body in the mockup. See, that's what we should've had there, see, is put everything you or your auditor could think of in the mock-up. To devil with the body you're in. See, because you were still orienting yourself completely with the body you were standing in. There's no reason to do this.

LRH: Well, let's get the space depth in the room.

Female voice: Well, how about having him go physically through the motions you want him to have in the mock-up out here?

PC: Got it.

That's what he was doing.

LRH: Good, let's get the body doing that now and the space depth. Let's see if we can get some color into the body in the room.

Female voice: Yeah, I know.

PC: Sure.

Male voice: That's better, all right, because I could do the motion..

LRH: Real good, huh?

Hm?

PC: Bound to get color in there.

Male voice: .. .I could be responsible for the motion that I put in it.

LRH: Bound to, huh? Okay. And let's see now if you can find no body right where the body is. That mock-up - find it's no mock-up.

Oh, sure you have to be physically responsible for the motion. You mean that you don't have him go physically through? Oh, you're trying to get this - you're just trying to get him exteriorized and control him. You could go at it at a lighter basis. Yes, you could have the mock-up moving; but you'll find out many pcs can do this, and you're into a subjective technique the moment you do. It is just a mock-up, whereas you're...

PC: Yeah. Did that.

And perhaps this is responsible for a lack of understanding on some of the facets of this very simple step: It's too simple. What you're after there is a complete identification. You're in for the best duplicate you can make. And when you've made the best duplicate you can make - pam! - it'll shift and turn right over into the body.

LRH: Now find the mock-up there.

Now, there's another thing you can do to a pc and you should make this experience on images. And you should take this experience on images and I'll give you this for your homework.

PC: Yeah.

Stand in front of a mirror at least three minutes in a place where it's quiet, where you can see down to your waist, with a dark room behind you preferably. And just stand and look at a mirror. You don't look at anything particular in the mirror; just look in a mirror and tell me tomorrow what happens to you. It gives you some sort of an idea. Because remember, that mirror is just the MEST universe's process of making a mock-up of you. And you'll find out what happens.

LRH: Now find no mock-up there.

Now, if you want to know what will happen to some pcs with this mock-up process and you want to get the sensation, just stand there and look at a mirror for a few minutes. About three minutes will do it. And if it doesn't do it in three minutes, why, you're either already well outside and it doesn't worry you, or...

PC: The arms of the mock-up are getting tired.

Male voice: I did.

LRH: Well, get the tiredness into the mockup.

Hm. Well, just do it. Whether you've done it or not, do it again so that you can recover that sensation. You'll know it's something new.

PC: Well, I am.

Male voice: I got a fear on it.

LRH: Okay. Real good, real good. Now put your hands down at your side. Now let's be about eight feet back of your head.

You got fear on it?

PC: Well, I'm not certain.

Male voice: Yeah.

LRH: Okay, what do you get instead when I ask you to do that? PC: Well, I get a little motion.

Well, stand and look at it for about three minutes and find out what else you got. Any other questions?

LRH: Hm?

Male voice: Well this certainly doesn't directly apply. The element of fear of being judged seems to be something that I've found is present in almost everybody I've worked with.

PC: A little motion.

Well, that's just the fear of being a force effect.

LRH: A little motion. What's the motion?

Male voice: Mm-hm.

PC: A kind of a swaying motion.

.. which runs out on explosions.

LRH: You do?

Male voice: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

Fear of being judged is a fear of being an effect of force. And when a person has become an effect of looking, it is easy for them to become an effect of emotion. And when they become an effect of emotion it is easy for them to become effect of effort. And between emotion and effort there's some nasty emotions and some nasty efforts that people don't like, such as being beheaded, being struck by lightning, and so forth.

LRH: Do you get any perception on anything there?

And judgment is, of course, the reason why we hit you with the effort. And if you ever want to make a case just feel like it's in complete horrible pretense, and so forth, have him run - this is just an experimental technique, a very effective button - but it doesn't - you ought to run this: "The reason why I'm punishing you is..." And they'll run this for a little while and all of a sudden things become very plain to them.

PC: No.

If you waste pain in brackets for a while with the pc, all of a sudden he'll come to the same conclusion: It's a phony. It's a real phony. But one has to have a good reason to punish. One has to have a good reason for judgment. See? See, why that is?

LRH: Feeling?

Male voice: Well, yes. And then there's the fear that they are being judged and they don't have data on it. I've found that in a lot of preclears.

PC: Just that swaying motion.

Maybe you - yeah, I know. But maybe you missed what I was saying there a little bit. Is there isn't any reason ...

LRH: Hm?

Male voice: Yeah.

PC: Just the swaying motion.

.. to being judged, you see? So, of course, that is the most uncertainty there is. There never is a reason on being judged so that they hang up on the track like this. All you've got to do to tell a man is he's going to be arrested even though he's innocent - he very often will just fly to pieces. There's no reason for it. Then somebody will explain a reason.

LRH: I see. I see. You do get a swaying motion?

Try and get a criminal to accept a reason as to why he's being arrested or agree that this was absolutely necessary. They're all innocent down at the big house, every man jack of them - those that are in good shape, the ones that are guilty and so forth.

PC: That's right.

This business about guilt - the person has a "guilt complex"? That's really base apathy. A person has at last accepted a reason why they ought to be judged. "It's their fault" goes right along with that and so you're in that "responsibility-no responsibility."

LRH: All right. Let's mock up that body in front of you very complete and exact right now, with all the weight on it.

I want to say one thing in conclusion which you just brought up. You brought up judgment; I bring up responsibility. Every preclear has a hot button on that.

PC: Yeah.

Your preclear cannot accept responsibility until he can generate force to his own belief and ability. When he can make space and generate force, he will then accept responsibility.

LRH: Got that?

In military services, it's common to say that a person does not have any responsibility if he cannot have any authority. But if he has authority, he must take the responsibility. The word "authority" there is a substitute for force.

PC: Yeah, I've got it out there about ten feet.

But if a person has no force, he cannot take responsibility. And if a person has force, he can take responsibility. The time when a person will take responsibility is when a person has force. And you'll find that people who aren't taking responsibility are quite commonly continually tired and also they can't direct the effort in the direction that's called work. And this is why we get the common denominator of work as a common denominator of all such cases.

LRH: Okay. Now, let's run explosions between you and it. The lines - explode the lines between you... Put a couple of lines there and then blow them up.

So, let's remember that the stretch of the engram bank, its position, the ability of the preclear to handle and juggle and package them up and put them in his pocket or throw them over his shoulder depends upon his ability to handle force and admiration which depends basically upon his ability to handle space. And as a consequence, you start, as a therapist, to load responsibility onto your preclear and you're going to get noplace.

PC: Mmm.

And the place where a case is hanging up is the thetan - it's inherent in the structure of the body why you got a dwindling spiral - the thetan cannot generate force adequate to any performance in the confines of a Homo sapiens' body. If he generates any force inside the Homo sapiens' body, he'll blow ridges.

LRH: Easy to do?

We were standing there the other night, and a speck of something hit my eye this time out in - the Jersey wind was blowing - and I very carefully shoved a beam in from about twelve or fifteen feet well forward into the right of my body. And I just put in a very, very careful beam, very gently, just to push this eye grit immediately out of my eye. Of course, it went out of my eye immediately, but... Tell them what happened.

PC: Yeah, as easy as any of the rest of it.

Male voice: It blew a big ridge across the front here. Changed the whole shape of your face for about two or three hours.

LRH: Well, put a couple more lines there and blow them up.

I had to get in there and put the - put the ridges back.

PC: Mm-hm.

Male voice: It looked like you didn't have any teeth up here.

LRH: Where are these lines exactly?

You start throwing force around a body and a thetan gets used to monitoring his force so as to restrain himself. So we get "the greatest of virtues is self-restraint" which would be the greatest ability he had, to care for a body, is not to blow it to pieces.

PC: Well, I put one from the middle of the forehead of this body to the back of the head of that other body, and one from about the middle of the chest to the middle of the back of the other body.

Well, until you get a person operating and controlling a body well away from himself, he doesn't dare generate force. Well, the reason he can't get out of the body is he can't generate force. You get the two ideas? That's why you must get him some distance from the body.

LRH: Uh-huh. Did they blow up easily?

Now, he can't take responsibility and he can't be cause and he can't wipe out being effect, and so forth, just by running thinkingness. Because every time he makes a hole in the middle of all these effort ridges coming in on him again, they just come in tighter.

PC. Yup.

So as you run concepts, you run out energy; you just collapse him tighter. But you can sure make him feel better, because he gets rid of a lot of loopy ideas. You can then accustom him to having force blowing itself all around the body in mock-up form so he isn't as scared of it, which is Explosion Processing, you see?

LRH: Good, let's just keep putting the lines in there and blowing them up.

Or you can have ridges melt down so that he knows they're melting, and it doesn't upset anything, such as in Admiration Processing.

PC: Same place?

Or you can mock him way out in front of himself and construct himself beautifully, inch by inch, and again blow himself up a few times so that he isn't caring quite as much. And at length he will be well away from himself and he will be able to put out a beam.

LRH: Mm-hm. Got that?

If he puts out a beam inside his head... It quite often happens that a preclear will put out a beam inside his head, be able to see inside of his head beautifully, push on the beam, push himself out through the back of his head, be exteriorized, walk around the room on beams, have a very good time on beams and so on. And two days later you meet the fellow and he's stuck back in his head again.

PC: Yeah, the explosion seems to tend to come - more of it - this way than the other way. I don't mind, but that's the way it is.

Why? It's too small a distance for the beam, because the length of that energy wave, which is the two inches inside the head, is in itself a sort of a degradation. It gets the emotion "too little space." Degradation is too little space.

LRH: They come more toward you than...?

And when he turns on the energy, it's too thick. And he puts forward his (quote) "hand" or beam, as a thetan, up against a wall; he'll stick! If he's really developing high power he's liable to stick because the MEST is like a sponge for electrical energy. So he has to be able to turn on a beam, throw it into the wall and let the wall soak it up. The dickens with it! It doesn't matter to him. He can always make another beam.

PC: The force of them. Yeah.

So long as he has a feeling of scarcity of space and scarcity of electrical energy and he can't handle force, he's not going to get out of his head and stay out of his head. So you want to get him out, get him at a distance and get him used to looking and controlling things at a distance.

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, pull in some more and make them blow.

And that's a real distance. If you could control your body easily and ably at about thirty miles, if you could just sit up on a cloud and control your body very nicely and beautifully and get all of its perceptions coming back and be quite certain of where it was and what it was doing and what it was looking at, and had - just have...

Now just move your body into the same position as that mock-up.

The way you'd do that is just to park one of your anchor points inside the skull. And if you park a nice bright anchor point somewhere around inside the skull it serves as - by the way, when you get good theta vision, you'll sometimes see somebody doing this - you put an anchor point back of the eyes and then you get the relay from that anchor point. See, it's like television. Instead of you being back of the eyes, you just assume an anchor point which is not back of the eyes, and you be that new anchor point thirty miles away.

PC: Just for a little bit.

If you were sitting up - oh, it's wonderful at about, oh, somewhere in the neighborhood of about two hundred miles up. You're out of the radio waves, and every once in a while you can change your wavelength enough to collide with the static field of Earth down closer. But at about two hundred miles up it's getting less apparent and you can sit up there and there's the doggonedest calm. Boy, it's real calm.

LRH: Hah! Okay, that's all.

Sometimes, you go up there and sit down for half an hour or so. It's just - sit down. You begin to sort of think to yourself, "What the hell am I doing down on that piece of rock for?" And you get to thinking about this and that or looking at this and that, and you don't think as much as you look. You get interested in some star. Boy, the stars are really bright out there. They're just like solid diamonds on black velvet and beautiful colors and so on. And you shift over once in a while and take a look at an asteroid or take a look at the sun.

Did you notice any difference of exteriorization or any snap out and in?

I had a pc one time who became an addict - I'm sorry, but he did - an addict of processing. He used to go up and sit on a corona plume of the sun and roller coaster. Turn on his gravity sensitivity and let the sun pull him in. And it's about a 240 thousand mile chute at its extremity. And you get to going real fast toward that big mass of sun, you know, and it produces quite a sensation which is very exterior to the preclear.

Male voice: There's a snap out and in.

And I asked him, didn't the radioactive particles bother him, and so forth, and he didn't seem to hear me. It was sure lots of fun though. It was more fun than the Rabbit Eight down at Venice, California, which is the big rolly coaster machine.

Notice any change in it?

So there are things in this universe which are interesting. And going skating on liquid air on Jupiter is always very interesting, too.

Male voice: Well, it was easier.

There's a lot of things to do in the universe; but of course, this intense, packed-up, enormously crowded society does offer a considerable impact of sensation. The preclear becomes an addict to that just like he'd become an addict of going and riding a plume of the sun. Okay?

It was easier.

Male voice: Probably

Male voice: Well, it never has been hard, but it always is frightening.

Hm?

Did it - did it frighten you so much?

Male voice: Probably.

Male voice: It didn't at all that time.

Okay. Well, let's pick up these auditing assignments and - as you've been processing - and with this new wrinkie in the little time left to you today, let's see you get real hot on this. Real hot.

There we go. See, I'm not trying to belabor you with anything, but the other technique would be this: You would mock up as you went that - did that - mock-up that body. This gets a little complex, but you could mock-up an admiring throng admiring those communication lines that connect you with the mock-up. And get this admiring throng looking up underneath between the mock-up and the body, you see? And get it admiring those communication lines and admiring your determination there, and admiring those lines; get that, admiring those lines. And as you go forward on that, you gradually get these lines more and more and more.

I want to see somebody - somebody sprung with violence to a certainty level which he has never before had. He thought before he was certain. He thought before he was certain, but we really want to see how certain he can get.

Actually, the pc is scared stiff of his body when he does that. Every once in a while a pc will come around and take one look at a body and he'll practically jump through his skull.

By the way, that wall or something like that, don't - don't limit yourself on what can happen to you or how - how your preclears have trouble with this whole process. It's just a gradient scale up.

Male voice: I could tell you an experience like that.

You can turn on that wall so bright or those leaves on the tree there so bright that they just have a tremendous gold sheen over the whole day. And it's not gold at all. You don't see it at all. It's tremendous brilliance.

Huh?

I've had a preclear all of a sudden get this and unfortunately take a look through his eyes at all this and get all this through his eyes and darned near blow his eyeballs out. The intensity of radiation which is - he'll get back off of these stuff after he puts enough on them to see them is fabulous. So there's no limit to up. "Up" is way up.

Male voice: I could tell you an experience like that.

Okay, let's get at it.

What is it?

Male voice: One time down in Phoenix I mocked up my body and took my time with it - toenail by toenail and so forth - from the floor up. And I made it go sit down in the chair for two hours while I did other mock-ups. They were pretty good then - the mock-ups. All at once I got scared. And I didn't know what I was scared of, so I unmocked all my junk and started over again, but it didn't cure it.

Hm. Hm. Well, this is the same...

Male voice: Pretty good mock-ups then, too, by the way.

You had better mock-ups then than you do now?

Male voice: Mm-hm. Mm-hm.

Well, your mock-ups have deteriorated?

Male voice: Mmm!

Well, what made them deteriorate?

Male voice: I'll be darned if I know. I thought I must be afraid of the body. I couldn't think of anything else in there to be afraid of.

Hm-mm. You're not afraid of the MEST universe. As you - as you go forward through this, oh, you would just continue that.

Who got exteriorized more easily on this technique?

Male voice: l think I scooted up a few times.

Did you snap back in?

Male voice: Hmm, a little bit.

Mm-hm. Is that the first time you've been exteriorized easily?

Male voice: Mmm. It was easier than ever before, I believe.

Mm-hm. Who got easier exteriorization or better perception on this technique?

Male voice: I got better perception.

Better perception.

Male voice: Yes.

Mm-hm.

Male voice: I mocked up a very large mock-up of myself, way down in Delaware Bay, a mile or two high.

Mm-hm.

Male voice: And I got very good visio on it.

Mm-hm. That's afterwards.

Male voice: Hm?

That's afterwards.

Male voice: After what?

No, don't tell me you did Step II by mocking yourself up down in Delaware Bay. Of course, you got a communication...

Male voice: Uh-huh.

.. exchange on this, I shouldn't be objecting. But you should've just mocked yourself up in a chair.

Male voice: I was in a chair down in Delaware Bay.

Oh! You did the same scene?

Male voice: Yeah!

On that size proportion.

Male voice: Yeah.

Oh, I see. Same scene.

Male voice: Mm-hm.

Well, that's what you're supposed to do. That's what you're supposed to do. We have - the reason for the motion there, is the aliveness of the mockup - the aliveness of this. And as the guy slides out, he's having to keep the body in motion. And he'll get fascinated with this problem: the fact that he can still keep the body in motion although he's outside. It's for a little bit higher level of case than the one we just demonstrated it on.

Step II is having motion difficulty with the body already. He's gone from Step I to an incomplete belief that he will be able to control the body if he gets outside. He's just a little bit afraid of this.

Well, now, how much of this rocking from side to side would you take, and so forth? Wear him out. Wear him out if you were doing this technique. Do it for an hour.

You felt yourself come out? Why, tell me this - this is a peculiarity here - tell me this: Why weren't you exteriorizing at first as you did that?

Male voice: Well, I was paying too much attention to this body.

How were you paying attention to this body?

Male voice: Well, I was picking up what's in it to put in the other one.

You also want to keep in communication with a preclear. Did you just hear what this man said?

Male voice: Putting the motion and the emotion and the heat and weight and junk like that in the other one, you want to make the...

Now, did it remain in the body you were moving, afterwards, too?

Male voice: Not unless I kept my attention out there.

Ah!

Male voice: This morning I was - I had a somatic and I kept putting it out in that other body too. And it'd stay out there for a little while and then come back.

Mm-hm. Mm-hm. What is there we have to put in the other body?

Male voice: Sensation.

Do we have to put sensation in the other body?

Male voice: Well, we don't have to but it's something.

I was...

Male voice: ... to do.

Well, I know, but would that be bad?

Male voice: No. Heavens no.

Well, would it be bad to have no sensation?

Male voice: Well, I don't suppose it'd be any too good, but it'd be all right. It's just ...

To live forever with no sensation.

Male voice: Well, that wouldn't be any good, no.

That wouldn't be any good! Well, how interesting! Well, now what would you do knowing that?

Female voice: You mean we're going to start with him all over again?

Yeah, what would you do now, knowing that?

Female voice: Well, I thought we ought to take what you just did...

We found out it wasn't good enough just to shoot it down there; he had to look at this body and find out what it was doing in order to make the other body do it.

Female voice: Yeah.

What additional process would you use then? Come on, what would you do with this pc now that you know this? What do you know?

Female voice: Well, apparently the way to exteriorize on this thing - there's actually a point that he slips the real body into the position of the mock-up.

Yeah, but what - what was he doing there?

Female voice: Did not get more and more perceptics into the mock-up.

Ah. And what perceptic? Don't answer this sixty-four-dollar question.

Female voice: Could only be somatic or muscular distress.

What's holding him in that body? Let's get hot, huh? What's holding him in that body? Come on. What's nailing him there?

Female voice: It's interest, I think.

Nuh-uh! Come on! Come on, let's get hot. He's sitting right there and we'll - not pulling any punches around here. I don't have to say this is an evaluation for him; he doesn't even hear this, and if it's wrong, it's wrong.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

In case I'm not right. Well, what's holding him in that body?

Male voice: Think.

Don't look! If you're good enough at looking, you can tell.

Male voice: I figure I know.

What?

Male voice: Feeling.

Yeah? What kind of feeling?

Male voice: Pain.

Yeah? Pain? Okay, and what else?

Male voice: It looks for me.

Come on, what's holding him?

Female voice: Perception.

Yes, of course, but perception of what?

Female voice: The MEST universe.

Hm! Hm! Do you mind - do you mind if I use a three-letter word in mixed company?

Female voice: Use four if you like.

When they say sensation...

Female voice: Yes?

.. they mean one thing only. If you could get a preclear to mock up the completeness of sensation of the second dynamic.

Female voice: Oh, sure.

.. himself - this is why Freud got off on this mad race, see.

Female voice: Yeah.

He would all of a sudden realize he didn't need a body.

Female voice: That's right.

He could mock the sensation up. Well, every once in a while a pc will hang up on this one. They'll really hang up on that thing royally. It doesn't mean that there's a thing wrong with their second dynamic as a body or their sexual behavior or anything else. It's just a fact that they have hit this particular computation and then they hit it hard, see? So, it would be - it would be a rather delicate affair for a girl to process this preclear in this mid-Victorian society. But the fact of the case is that the sensation of which he speaks would be the missing sensation in the mock-up in the body. And if you leave bodies - oh-oh! Oh-oh! You might not hook up those lines again, see? And if you never hooked up the lines again, and so forth.

All right, now, we talk about pain. He's saying pain - he's going to hit downscale from an anxiety about any. Because all pain is, is condensed sex.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

And all sex is, is just condensed emotion.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

All emotion is, is condensed looking. And you've got it. So, let's just take a look at this as a combination.

Now, let me tell you something in passing about "Mr. Old Second Dynamic." The second dynamic starts with a postulate; this is why it is serious on a case, but it's really not any - it's not near as serious as eating. Boy, don't ever lose sight of that. Don't ever in your own thirst for sensation ever lose sight of the fact that sex is secondary to eating.

Let's take this imponderable case of the rat. It has been discovered by modern science - I often wondered where they kept "modern science" or who he was. But, he must be a nice chap. Anyway, everybody refers to him - Mr. Modern... That upset you?

Male voice: What? What you said?

What I was saying about the...

Male voice: No, carry on.

Okay.

Now, modern science has discovered, after vast observation, that mice when fed badly (they say fed on carbohydrates excessively and no protein), procreate wildly in spite of the fact that they obviously have a less of a food supply than formerly, making the big imponderable. Well, the imponderable is, is animals can't help but survive, so they're not going to try very hard to survive, so they've got to survive anyway, so you've got to work like mad to survive. It's just all messed up, you see? The computation is an identity computation. Okay.

Now, let's look at this problem of why mice - we'll just accept that modern science has discovered this; I found this is a very unreliable thing to do - will procreate with poor food or no food. Well, that's not a riddle; we up and answered that. It has ceased to be - needn't puzzle Mr. Modern Science anymore. Because it's simply this: Sex is the answer to "Can't survive as an organism." And "Can't survive as an organism" depends upon two things: pain and food. Too much pain - no survival; too little food - no survival.

Sex comes in when the rations run out. Remember that, because you'll peg that on a track just boom! And you'll always want to find on a pc with whom you're having any difficulty at all exteriorizing, you'll find they all suffer from the same thing, which is lack of interest, and this in essence is some or other level of apathy - high or low apathy. You see there apathy at various levels, but it's still apathy and that's still a no interest, which means no anchor points - "pain," “interest" and "anchor points" are simultaneous in meaning. All right.

What - what happens? You - if a man is interested in sensation, he is already trying to be an effect, but this is only because he found he's been an effect. So if he's been too serious an effect - too seriously an effect - then after that, he decides that he can't survive. Simultaneously with "can't survive" is "must procreate."

So, the age of puberty is the age where the young boy, the young girl takes a nose dive. And you'll find them hung up on the track there more often than not. Because that is so complete a computation and is so chronic, it's so inherent in structure, that all he has to do is have sexual sensation turn on and he recognizes that he "can't survive”.

His first taste of death is his first taste of future procreation. See? I mean that's - it's the substitute. Sex comes in when the rations run out. And when the body gets excessively tired sometimes, it'll become sexually stimulated. If it becomes ill one way or the other, it could become sexually stimulated.

It's quite interesting how many things could happen that could create sexual stimulation. And they all sum up to this one thing: "Can't survive." Now, it even goes further than that: They run off the "Can't survive." Now if they've gone into a libido cessation, they can't survive twice. They can't survive twice, so they go into the third. They go into dynamic seven. See? Dynamic seven shows up.

You can't survive as yourself and then you can t survive as a progeny and then they feel they can't survive as a spirit either And the magnitude of gain a case can make is something that you would find it hard to appreciate until you'd run part of the race yourself. The magnitude of gain is fantastic; it's enormous! And we'd have to almost recover on the whole track principle, those "can'ts." "Can't survive" is "Can't survive as a body." "Can't survive" - "Can't survive as progeny in the future;” and then the last "Can't survive" is "Can't survive as sex." So when a fellow's libido runs out he turns to religion! See that?

And that's why when you mark down a mystic, when you mark down a person who is deep in religion, you can immediately reach back to the love affair that failed. Just like that! It's just automatic response - pam!

Fellow says, "Well, I've always - I've always had a great respect for Christ."

And you say, "Well, when did you lose her?"

Fellow says, "What do you mean? What are you talking about?"

That's the way it goes, see? He all of a sudden says, "Well, her name was Gertrude." Only he probably doesn't; he's probably at that moment in a frozen silence. You won't see any emotion out of him. If you want to see some immediate emotion, get him to reaching and withdrawing from Gertrude, and Gertrude reaching and withdrawing from him. And you'll see a little change on the case immediately.

Many a man has been processed by artificial techniques, which is to say subjective techniques, just endlessly, without showing a great deal of change. He's lost a few somatics and he's gone this way or that, until somebody all of a sudden one day says, "Reach for Gertrude." He doesn't have to spill grief on Gertrude. What we've got to do is rehabilitate his looking, at which time we'll rehabilitate his feeling. You could actually stretch out his distance to look by rehabilitating Gertrude. Where? Let's put her way out on the horizon. And let's keep putting her way out on the horizon. Interesting technique. It'll spill a little pain, a little grief all sorts of things.

If you actually run into somebody who can only now survive as a spirit - because this will foul him up like mad because he's gone into artificial spiritualism. He isn't himself. The thetan is not only gone now, the thetan is gone as a body, gone as progeny and now gone as a spirit, so he has to waste admiration on other spirits. And you start him wasting Christ, and you start him wasting space or God, and he's going to get some interesting results, more or less.

When somebody suddenly comes up and tells you that, well, the possibility there - we want to find out where he is. This is the gradient scale as you go down for a body: "Can survive as self - can't survive as self" "Can survive as sex (future children) - can't survive as sex (future children)." Now, there are a lot of little intersteps there he could make, but the next one you re really interested in is the brass ring - seven. Because this is what's keeping him in his body.

Lots of ways to do this: "Where's Gertrude?" We'll get into those techniques that spring this fairly rapidly. But this is what's happened to the case.

Now, what are these "Can't survives"? There's three "Can't survives." Brother, when he can't even survive as a spirit, when he can't even be spiritual and still stay in a body and still make a go of it and so forth, he turns to God with a passion and an upset and so forth that is found only in insane asylums. Because that really is the last waste, because his God is space and that's all there is to it. He's trying to waste space. Interesting technique, by the way - wasting space, wasting gods. Okay, but that's a subjective technique.

What's wrong with such a case? There are dozens of ways you could do this. But there's a well of apathy on every case that is difficult. And I've often wondered if it's possible to solve such a case, spilling some of the apathy. I've tried now and then. I've been trying with cases just working with them. There's a holdup on the case line that - it just has to do with spilling a little apathy.

Apathy is lower than grief and it's more of a blockade than grief. It's very easy to run apathy. I'll show you how to run apathy.

Run "Can't survive" out here four times; put it in four places - just "Can't survive."