This is the second lecture of January the twenty-third, London. We have a question here which has come up many, many times, I have answered before, but perhaps the tapes on which that has been answered are not part of curriculum. That is to say, what is the relationship between Standard Operating Procedure 5, Steps I down to VII, and the tone scale? The answer to that is none: no relationship. Why is this? Well, that's because we have a series (as Stanley just remarked here) we have a series of methods which will undo every postulate a thetan can make. That's right. And those postulates, as we go down the line, add up to various manifestations. Now we've got a structural manifestation, and Standard Operating Procedure 5s, particularly Steps I to V, undo the postulates which become a structural manifestation.

This is the twenty-third (is it?) of January, 1953, finishing up the series on Standard Operating Procedure Issue 5 Long Form, and taking up tonight Step V. There will be two hours on this because your Step V is the step which is worrying you, which has worried you, and which will continue to worry and upset you throughout your career as a professional auditor. The I's, the II's the III's you are liable to slight because they're too easy. The IV's and the V's are liable to become your center of interest because they're rough.

He is in a body and isn't out of the body. He doesn't have much space; he has too much space. And all of this, right down the line. You see, that's structural. Look at it, at this line: structural.

I want to give you, right here at first, an evaluation of processing. Would you rather make five hundred theta clears or five?

And let's look at the tone scale as a functional manifestation of behavior. You see, what gets a person into any one of these positions on the tone scale? It's actually a decline of self- determinism. The tone scale is nicely worked out, a decline of self-determinism, where he is more and more determined by other things and less and less determined by himself. ARC: these are various behavior manifestations, and they are plotted on the tone scale from top to bottom. So we have the tone scale.

All right, then process I's, II's and III's and take your IV's and V's and put them on a ration of Self Analysis until they become capable of doing a III, and then spring them. That's the easy way. I give you a formula; it's my suggestion.

Now, a thetan actually is the result of his own postulates and postulates which have been foisted off on him. Now, we could have an infinite combination of postulates which would result in an infinite number of structural manifestations.

All these lectures have two factors. One is my opinion and the other is the technique. Don't confuse the two. I've given you just then an opinion.

We've patterned, then, Standard Operating Procedure 5 to undo postulates.

You needn't even vaguely confuse me or my personality with Scientology. It doesn't work because I say it's so. It works because it works. Freudian psychoanalysis works because Freud said so. That's the essential difference. It doesn't mean that just because I have opinions you don't agree with, this makes me a bum, by the way. But neither does it validate or invalidate this material.

These postulates get people into certain structural shape. You see that? I mean, he's in his head and he can't get out. He thinks he's all over the place, and he's not. His ideas of location, in other words, and his ideas of creation and destruction are not necessarily his ideas of self-determinism.

What's true along this line? The Logics and Axioms are true (the Axioms particularly for Homo sapiens), the basic material on the subject of survival, the dynamics, the Chart of Attitudes, and the techniques which have been put forward as Standard Operating Procedures 1, 2, 3 and 5 (4 only lasted three or four hours, so we won't mention it).

Standard Operating Procedure 5 then is a list of things which add up to application, which undoes every possible postulate.There are theta I's (thetans that are at the level of I) who are at -4.0 on the tone scale. Don't think that a I is high toned. A I can be strictly a fruitcake. Don't think he's high toned. He's better off, maybe, in terms of immediate processing, but that's an accident.

Now, this material, used in its essence, and what I've said directly about this material, is based upon a very definitely good, solid background of investigation and very thorough testing. Very thorough.Every once in a while one of your instructors comes to me and says, "It works just like you said it did on such and such an incident." Well, of course it did: not because of a magnetic personality or something, but simply because of this, is I found the incident here and there on a lot of people, and this way and that way, before I released the incident. I didn't release a lot of optimism with that incident. I said, "There it is." And my opinion consisted of optimism. I had to keep people alert for a long time before I found that they could do this sort of thing uniformly.

It just happens his postulates that are in restimulation, and his decisions and his viewpoints and so forth — in other words, how many ways can a person lose his self-determinism? Well, he can lose his self-determinism in lots of ways, and we have a codification of these ways he can do this. And that's Standard Operating Procedure 5.

And there's one datum you're not working with, is I don't care what people think of me. Now you can't be very well and still care, by the way.

What's the structural result of this? That's taken care of in Standard Operating Procedure 5.

Where you have, then, an incident outlined, you'll find out in your experience that it's there and it's that way and that it'll run that way. That's all. As tough as it is perhaps to accept a whole track, you show me any IV or any V and I can show you an Assumption, electronic implants and so forth — not just on an E- meter; I can throw this preclear into convulsions on the subject.

What's the behavior manifestation of this? Tone scale.

We had such an incident in Philadelphia. I started running an Assumption, for the whole class. We had one fellow whose case had been bogged down for a couple of years; he hadn't had any good auditing. And he started to laugh, and he went into hysterics. An Assumption (grabbing a baby at birth) blew into view, and there he was out in the clear with sonic and visio. That's interesting, isn't it?

How's he behave? is then different than How is he composed? How is he doing these things structurally that he's misbehaving about? Well, you see, you could do these things a lot of different ways.

You see, every one of you are guilty of stealing a body. You don't own that body.

Of course, you understand that there is a vague parallel between these two things. You'll less likely find a V at 20.0. It's less likely that you'll find a V at 20.0. It's more likely that you would find a I at 20.0; just more likely, but not necessarily true.

The only lie there is on the track, really — the only real truth, you might say, there is on the track — is that there is no true datum. That's a truth, that's a good, high-level truth.

What we have is a pattern of case and a series of techniques, and that's why Standard Operating Procedure 5 is a very superior technique of application. You get him to I, and then you do the other four. It's interesting, isn't it? You do all of them; you do all of them.

Such concepts as codes of justice and so forth are made up on bases of workability, and they're born out of a pretense. And therefore, because they are born out of a pretense and then became factual, you'll find people, whenever they have assumed an untrue datum, are getting very serious about the truth of something. And the harder they insist that something is true, the surer you can be that it's not. They might not know that it's not true, but basically if you followed the reasoning all the way down, you would find it fallacious.

And we could — we could call these things A, B, C, D, E, we could call these techniques, we could say that the fellow who could step out of his head is a — is a V. We could juggle these things any way that we want to.

Man is continually representing to you that he owns a body, and he doesn't: He steals one. And Freud was looking for guilt. Do you want to find some guilt? Just look that one in the eye for a moment. The very thing he owns with, he stole and he knows he stole. And somebody comes along and grabs him and throws him into the clink or something for having run off with a couple of teaspoons from the local manor or something, and he goes into a complete fit. Why does he go into a fit? He thinks he's going to be tried for his basic crime in this life — which is the theft of one Homo sapiens, which is kidnaping.

And if you'll notice, the tone scale is numbered in one direction and the Standard Operating Procedure 5 is numbered in the opposite direction. That is partially an effort to get you to disassociate the two. So don't be — don't be too impressed by the preclear who is a I. And don't be too upset about the preclear who is a V, in terms of behavior.

The FBI (that's Federal Bureau of Infamy, in the United States) — the FBI has made it an electrocutionable offense to kidnap anybody. You would have found, with the publication of that new law, a dive — had you been able to measure it, or had you measured it — in the mental health of the U.S. You would have found these two things doing a simultaneous action: the mental health and security of individuals in the U.S. doing a dive, and the publication of a law making it a capital offense to kidnap a child. Why? Everybody kidnaped a child. And they know they kidnaped a child, that's why they stood around and say, "Isn't it terrible! He ought to be killed! He kidnaped a child!" and "Oh, that's awful!" Because you see, the fellow who yells loudest in the crowd is of course asserting the fact that he above all is not guilty of this, because he is being very reprimanding on the subject. So watch that fellow who yells loudest in the crowd on such a thing as kidnaping, such a thing as hanging, and so forth. You could take him off quietly and you would process him, because you'd find that incident right there on whatever he's protesting against with a screaming fit. This tells you that sometime on the track I must have been a psychiatrist, doesn't it? Well, that's right. I was.

What establishes the thing on the tone scale? How much self- determinism is this person exerting? Well, you see, there are inequalities amongst thetans — apparent inequalities — based, again, on postulates which have limited them. So you have these apparent inequalities, and it's evidently true then that every thetan has a different horsepower than every other thetan. Why?

All right. Therefore, evaluation of data and conditions and situations in the MEST universe would seem to be frail somehow.

He's got a different series of postulates. A postulate is completely random. You can make any kind of a postulate you want to make, and that will then result in behavior which you witness in the preclear. It will also — it will represent itself two ways: he'll go way down scale in terms of behavior, and he will go into a strange structural relationship with bodies.

The evaluation of data — the evaluation of justice and injustice, good and bad, right and wrong — would seem to be subject to a certain frailty of logic. And it is.

You know, there are probably 0.0s who are flying around the universe like mad, completely free. It's just — you see, we're dealing with a special commodity: we're dealing with a thetan in relationship to a body. We're not dealing with the tone scale.

People have remarked that there is no sexual custom anywhere in the world that has not been praised someplace in the world as the thing to be or do. There is nothing immoral in the world which is not thoroughly moral someplace else in the world. There is nothing moral that is not somewhere immoral. What are we dealing with then? We're dealing with flows.

We're trying to get somebody out of a body and then straighten him up as a thetan.

Now, as you go across this subject you will find that these reverse actions are always coming in and upsetting the situation, because it's unpredictable. Sometimes they are not reverse and sometimes they are reverse, and this becomes very confusing to people.

Once you've got him out of a body, you have to do just as many things with him as a thetan as when he was in the body. And you will. You'll find out he'll run very rapidly over the 5 steps as a thetan out of the body because he hasn't got all the other thetans and entities and things in the body arguing against his doing these things, that's all. So he does these steps quite rapidly out of the body.

Well, the biggest confusion there is, is "There is reason." That's a big confusion, "There is reason." Everybody gets convinced there's such a thing as reason.

You'll have to do them all over again. You've got a V. All right, now we'll take this V and then we'll do all the steps for a V and then we do the steps for a IV and then we do the steps for a III and then we do the steps for a II — oh, he gets out of his body! Well, fine, now he's out of his body; that's great. Now let's do all the steps for a V and all the steps for a IV, and all the steps for a III and a II and a I.

Why? The MEST universe is chaos. It is essentially confusion. And the fellow is protesting all the time about the fact there's confusion, there's confusion, there's confusion, and let there be reason, there must be reason. He's of course holding out for something that doesn't exist in this universe, on the level that most people exist on. You see? So that's one of the first lies, that in this universe there is reason. And you are going to worry yourself into an early demise if you think your preclear has a reasonable case or that reason can finish off his case.

Main reason why we have lengthened this process and made a long form is we want to be sure, we want to be sure. And the best way to be sure is to take all possible combinations and then do them.

We have in the Qs and the Logics the basis of reason above the level of flows. The second you go into the level of flows you get into the area of unpredictable reverses, and immediately chaos ensues. Energy goes backwards, or when you want it to go backwards it goes forwards, and people use this and that's called engineering. You use the impulse of energy to do one thing to make it do something else, by letting it do that one thing; and that's engineering.

And we don't care whether this fellow apparently needs the process of IV. He was a I — he stepped out of his body. He says, "I feel wonderful."

You take this river, and this river wants to run on down the stream and you want to dam it up. So you take the strength it's using to run on down the stream, to dam it up. You use what it's trying to do, to make it do what you want it to do. And that trickery and prestidigitation with a slipstick and the bulldozer is called engineering. You find out that this energy does not want to be trapped, so you make it trapped in order to untrap itself suddenly. That is a condenser. Anything you find out that something doesn't want to do, you can then make it do it too.

You say, "Okay. Now let's start in on the mock-up of the old home."

That's the study.

"Hey, wait a minute, that's a Step IV. I know your procedure, I read a book once."

An engineer can nail this down because he's dealing with pure energy forms. He's dealing with pure chaos. And he can pilot his way through a reasoning level on pure chaos, and it looks very reasonable to him. That's because he knows it's chaos, and so he can make the chaos predictable and make it behave. He's going on a bunch of agreements, you see. He's going down to the level of a whole lot of agreements about this stuff, and all he had to find out was, What was the principal thing agreed upon?

And you say, "Now, that's fine, mock up the — "

It gets interesting. You use the strength of the river to dam the river. You can get very classy about this, by the way, and you can use the strength of one river to dam up another river.

"But I'm out of my body. Are you doubting I'm out of my body?" "Yeah, yeah, I know you're out of your body, that's just fine.

You can use life to bring about death, any time. Take secret- police work. They always take the livestlooking girls they can get a hold of in order to bring about the early and quick demise of political enemies. Nice, big, beautiful reverses. You going to look for reason in this? No, don't bother.

Mock up your home."

Reason ceases to exist the moment that flows begin. And here you have a creature who is subsisting on energy, and you look for this character to be reasonable. And you protest that he's not reasonable. Why protest? Just assume he isn't reasonable, and then go ahead and bail him out of energy. And he will become reasonable.

So he does. He finds out he tears through these manifestations, because all of a sudden he says, "You know, all I have to do is change a postulate on that, make a new postulate on that, do this, do that." Zing-zing-zing. Fine, fine. He's just going like mad when he's doing these processes out of his body, and he does them very slowly inside his body.

That's a very short statement, but what chaos is, is energy. Energy is chaos, and that chaos very early falls into strange and unpredictable patterns. And so you can take an overall pattern and control it somehow. Can even make the chaos work for you. An engineer does that.

So, you'll find out your I, then, is going to be rather upset when you say, "All right. Now you're out of your body, you're up in the corner of the room, that's fine. You know you're there, everything is oriented, the room is perfectly visible. Put a black spot on the wall." Nyrrrrrrr!

The chaos of a gas maintains an even pressure on a gas bag. That's interesting isn't it? I mean, the gas is going in all directions and it's hitting particles of gas that are hitting particles of gas, and it's just traveling in all directions; and so he looks at this and he says, "How can we — how can we make some sense out of this chaos?" And the only way he can make any sense out of it, is the fact that it will exert a pressure interior in a container. And he uses it that way. He gets, then, an equilibrium of forces, simply by insisting that all the chaos be uniform. And in such slippy little ways, he slides in and does things with energy.

Therefore, you really should know in advance that in the body or out of the body — wherever — he's got to do all of these steps, and if he did them all in the body then he's got to do them out of the body too.

Well, you're not going to do things like that with your preclear. He's an energy unit, only you're trying to bail him out of being an energy unit, you see, because he's not really an energy unit. And as long as be continues to be an energy unit he will continue to be unstable, chaotic and upset.

So a fellow who is in the body solidly at V, and he's in the body at V and has to have V undone, sooner or later on the rest of the steps is going to get out of the body, at which time he has to go back over the track again. So it's a little bit longer process, that's all. But let's be very thorough and when we say somebody is a theta clear, let's make that distinctly different than a thetan exterior. This person can get out of his body and he knows it: Good, that's a thetan exterior. I'm sorry to have to shift definitions around, but it's because of the trouble we're having.

You can handle energy in the MEST universe with engineering principles, but don't try to keep your preclear in the area of energy if you expect him to get well. Bring him out into the area of postulates.

People are astral walking these days and saying, "I'm a theta clear." Well, they're not; they're about as clear as the smog we've just had.

What's wrong with the IV and the V, and particularly the V? (This is what characterizes the V.) He's dug in on flows. He deals with flows, dispersals and ridges. Everything he's trying to do somehow or other gets connected up with flows, dispersals, ridges — that is to say, condensed energy — and the more that energy condenses, the worse off he is. And he's trying to live with this stuff, and he's trying to subsist on this stuff, and he's trying to make this stuff do what? Predict reason. He's trying to make this stuff summate into reasonable things. He's going at the bottom level of unreason and trying to bring reason out of it, and because it won't work he gets worse and worse and worse.

You go down here to the insane asylum and, boy, I can show you more I's. Just walk down the line and say, "Be two feet back of your head. Be two feet back of your head. Be two feet back of your head." Yeah, sure, they'll be two feet back of their head.

Now IV: a IV-level case is characterized by the fact he's using energy, even in thinking. He thinks with energy, he wants stimulus-response levels, he wants automaticity like mad; but he's still trying to start things.

Because what postulate causes insanity? Is it a condition of thisas and thatas and so forth?

And a V is using energy even worse and things are much more solid on him, but we can characterize him first as he's very deeply dug into energy, and what's he trying to do? He's trying to stop things. Whatever he thinks he's trying to do, he's trying to stop things. And we have an overall law applying to technique and that is to say, whatever is happening with the preclear, make him do it more so and then cut it down and bring it under control. If he's trying to start things, make him start lots of things and make him start them going more and more and bigger and bigger and then slow him down slightly, and then make him do it more and more and then slow him down; and then all of a sudden he will be able to bring things to a stop. We have taught him to stop things. He's high enough up, then, so that he will go on out through the top, and he will be able to stop what he has started.

It's a postulate that causes insanity. You see, it doesn't matter how long it took or how fast a person became or how slow a person became crazy. It doesn't matter how long it took. He might have taken eight hundred thousand years to finally go crazy, or he might have gone crazy in a split millisecond. The point is, he's nuts! That's the point, and that's what the tone scale says to you. It says he's at this level because that's his behavior.

Your V can't start things very well, but if he starts things, if things do get started, boy, he'll sure try to stop them, somehow or other; because even though he tries to start things they wind up with a stop. But when he tries to stop things he finds them starting. He's right there in the middle of reverse flows. When he wants to start things, why, they stop on him, and when he wants to stop things they start on him. He's still very reasonable about this. He still is reasonable; he conceives that this is a reasonable idea.

Now, you ask these people when they're out of their body, "All right, now, let's get the time when you made the decision to be crazy." Well, they make this decision to be crazy all the time, it's just a repetitive cycle; because that's the way to be safe and not be punished anymore, is to say, "I can't do anybody any damage." And that's the postulate which makes people go mad. "I can't die and convince you, so therefore I just am going to convince you, that's all. I'll convince you that I'm completely non compos mentis and... Look at the way I act. I do all these various things and..."

Now therefore it tells you there's a little band between these two arbitrary divisions of a IV-level case and a V-level case which is a start-stop: a fairly equal band which is using flows.

And then doctors look for a pattern of insanity. Oh no! You might as well look for a pattern of postulates. How far would you get with a pattern of postulates? Let's look for the standard pattern of postulates. Oh no, you don't. You can look for a progressive approximation of the track of agreement, because you're dealing with one person in relationship to many people, and then we can get the common ground of the many in terms of agreement. So we can get a track there.

Yes, your IV will descend down far enough to where for a little while he'll be successful in thinking with flows. He's also successful a little bit above IV, but that success is very short- lived because the use of flows is downwards on the tone scale. The use of flows as thinking things and so — is downward.

But now we take — we take a pattern of postulates. What's the standard pattern of postulates? There isn't any standard pattern of postulates.

Now you can't use much GITA on a V, because a V is trying to stop things. Therefore you want things to move into him? Uh-uh.

A person has a tendency to make various postulates in various situations. A person finds himself running into a tree, so he says that the tree is not here. Didn't work. "I'm not here." Didn't work. "Earth's not here." Didn't work. And he hits the tree.

They'll stop. Or if he tries to stop things, they go off and get very erratic. So one of the first things you want to do is teach him there is a stability and that something will work the way he says it will work. And this will be a great deal of relief to your V-level case. Something will happen because he says it'll happen. You see, he's pretty well stopped believing that. He's using energy and he thinks he is energy, and he's very thoroughly dug in to it, and he's very accustomed to saying "It'll go right," and it goes left; "It'll go up," and it goes down. And this is the way his life kind of runs. He'll say, "Well, I suppose just because I want the thing is the best reason why I can't have it. Just because I don't want it, I'll probably get it." And that's true, that's true. Thinking with energy and so forth, why, he's experienced this countless times. The reversal takes place. He'll say, "I want to be good," and the first thing you know he'll find himself doing something that's bad. And he'll say, "I'm not supposed to be doing this." That's all right, he's doing it, isn't he?

But he still made the postulates. And then he's — after he hits the tree he's lying there and he'll say, "Well, it happened yesterday." These things he's apt to do, but not necessarily.

Now, of course, with a IV and with a V, with a VI, with a VII, you have people deeply immersed (you might say) in energy, who are obeying energy instead of energy obeying them. We have dropped below the level of good control. They are more controlled than they are trying to control, but because they are still alive they are trying to control still; they have not given up. Not until VI does the fellow really start to give up. And when you hit VII, he has given up but he's still alive (and of course he's mad as a hatter at VII).

There's no necessity of his making any postulate. He's maybe ran off the embankment and hit the tree, bang! and he woke up someplace else; didn't make a single postulate all the way along the line, except "I'm going to hit a tree," which is a comment or a supposition. He supposes he's going to hit a tree, and he does. Not because he supposed it, but because he was obeying a certain series of laws.

Now, the solution to your IV and V is contained in the phrase which you will find in the chart book: Cure him of using flows for anything, that's that. I mean, we summate the solution and any technique existing for IV's and V's on just that line: Cure him of using flows.

Now, you get the difference in this? So if you're processing somebody, and the second you spring them out of their head they're obviously just either no horsepower... What's horsepower? Horsepower would depend on energy, wouldn't it? and space and energy and everything else, so there isn't any such thing as horsepower. You have to get the limiting postulates. How do you scare up these limiting postulates on this person who hasn't any power, out of their head? You do the other four steps; you do all five steps, that's all, and it'll snap it.

Well, we do this in several ways. The first way with a V that we use is to show him that something will happen because he says it will happen. And that, by the way, will be a matter of considerable interest to him. You will be amazed how interested a person will get if he'll suddenly discover that something simple happens just because he says it will happen. And you just get him up the level and working until something does happen just because he says it'll happen. And that is a black spot — Black and White Spot Control. You get him up to a point of where he says there, "A black spot will now appear upon the wall," and, so help me, it does.

Basically, all thetans are equal on this line of thought, but at first glance — believe me — they're sure not equal. And for a long time into processing, you're not going to find thetans equal.

Now, he can get to this point in several ways. There is another method. You tell him to get the idea there's somebody else standing out there putting a black spot on the wall. And he can very often get it once removed when he can't get it himself. And then once in a while he can mock up somebody out there (this vague concept, hardly a mock-up at all) and say, "Yes, that person is now putting a black spot on the wall, because I can see it." Mm-hm, mm-hm, that's great, that's great. Well, if he can mock up a concept of a person who's putting a black spot on the wall, and he knows they're doing it because he can now see it, he can see the black spot, can't he? And he can also put the black spot on the wall.

Now, I'm giving most of this as a — giving your — that's why, you see, there's a mockery at the bottom of the tone scale.

Now he wants to be able to turn a black spot on and turn it off, and you want him to be able to turn a white spot on and turn it off. You want him to be able to enlarge and decrease a black spot, enlarge and decrease a white spot. He can get these things very conceptually at first and very thinly, but if you keep drilling him, you will get this tremendous point of relief on his part. Something happens just because he says it is going to happen.

That's why societies can go out on the basis of "All men are created equal." Everybody goes around saying, "All men are equal, all men are equal, all..." The hell they are! Not even vaguely!

You'll get these fellows going around and they'll get quite an attitude of contempt, by the way, for the MEST universe when they first discover this. It's very interesting to watch. They'll be walking down the street and they'll feel a little bit low on something or other, and all of a sudden they'll say "Bang!" and they'll put a black spot on the side of a bus or something of the sort. It's there. They turn it off again. Very pleased with themselves. Something happened because they say it'll happen, and nothing interferes with it. Now there is a big jump, and there is the break of the case on a V.

The postulate started out at first "All men should be equal in the eyes of the law" or "All men should have equal legal rights." That's what the basic was, and then they kept trimming off that last phrase. And you'll find all sorts of people running around beating the drum on this "All men are equal."

Now there's very many things that you can do with a V to bring about a better state of affairs. Some of the techniques used in IV can also be employed on V, but less usably.

Well, that's an insanity in itself. You can say, "All men, when cleared by Scientology completely down to the last line, if put into the same environment again as every other person was put into and with everything in the environment held at a careful equality for some time, would be equal for minutes at a stretch." That doesn't mean that thee are more equal than others. "Some are more equal than others" is the way some people get around it, the way the fascists get around it. Fascist socialism says, "All men are equal, except some of us are more equal than you are."

You're trying to get him over using flows. And one of the ways to get him over using flows is to show that he doesn't have to be controlled by flows. The basic attitude of a V could be characterized as follows: He wants to be valuable, and he wants people to think he is valuable. How valuable can anything get?

Now, so there is a basic line of equality, and because there is, this truth can then flitter around and get reasoned with. As soon as it gets reasoned with it goes awfully haywire. Just like your preclear who is reasoning at Level V with his aberrations: he's reasoning like mad. But there is such a thing as logic.

Solid.

Now, now for the techniques here on this. You must know this, and actually you should not let your V get too upset about this business of being a V or a VI. He ought to get upset about being a VII; VII is pretty bad. But you should — you shouldn't let him get very upset about it, because his level at V is not even a comment on his capabilities. It's not a comment. He may be more equal than others. He may be doing a heck of a lot of things.

Now a V along the criminal track down along the line will go the opposite way. He wants to get as really valueless as he can get, which is practically the same thing. And how valueless can anybody get? Solid again.

There are a few constants, there are a few things that you find at the Level V; and one of them is they don't like to work other people, they would rather do it themselves. And of course, that is coming down off Mount Olympus. That's really skating down along the line.

At the bottom of the scale, just as at the top of the scale, this whole idea of value is simply an assigned adjudication occasioned by a postulate. In other words, value is something that's decided by somebody saying something is valuable. That's all. Somebody can come in, and he could — he could probably train a whole society, from one end of the society to the other, to believe that lumps of coal should be worshiped.

He doesn't say composedly to his body, "All right now, let's take a run down to the corner grocery and run back again," and sit there on the front door step and wait for his body to come back. He doesn't do that. He runs down with full effort down to the corner grocery store and runs all the way back with full effort, and when he gets home he says, "I am tired." He's not tired; how can he be tired? His body's tired, maybe. Well now, if he feels his body getting a little bit tired he is unwilling then to say, "Now, you're tired? Okay. Run down to the store two blocks further twice as fast and run back." No, he would feel sympathetic about it, or he would feel some other way.

There was one fellow down in Rome convinced people one time that money should be made out of iron. They had no medium of exchange because they couldn't cart these iron coins around; they were too big, these huge iron coins. That was the medium of exchange. He wanted to cure them of using money, so he made money too heavy to be transportable. And of course the economics of the little community fell to pieces and it fell to pieces and everything fell to pieces, because he was still trying to exist in the middle of a community which demanded a medium of exchange. In other words, he was trying to make somebody continue to exist in the middle of energy without using energy. This is silly.

He's more liable, in general (just on an observed behavior) he's more liable to be worse than or better than the average. He'll be more — he'll be more thoughtful of bodies, or he'll be meaner about it. "I'm tired, I'll just wear myself out now." Did you ever see anybody like that? "Oh, I don't feel well, I'll make myself feel worse." Misanthropic attitude.

Just as it's silly for you to take a V and try to patch him up with flows. You're trying to get him off from using flows by having him sit in the middle of a society, a community and people who use flows.

"Oh, you don't like what I did, huh?" That's a sergeant; he's a V on the other side. "You don't like what I did; well, do it again." He's just as likely, by the way, to jump down into the trench and help them do it again, though. I mean, he's all confused about it.

Theta Clearing is the answer to this. That's why it makes so much difference to have somebody get outside and, with Step II, begin to use postulates. This bails them out of it. This picks them up out of it. So you want the directest, most beeline route you can get, from Case V bogged down in the middle of flows, to making a postulate — making postulates and living by them instead of by flows.

"I work twice as hard as you do, that's why..." something or other. He's the boss at the establishment, see; it makes paper envelopes or concrete envelopes or something, and he's always setting an example for the employees by being there at 2 A.M. and quitting at 1 A.M. or something. He works harder than anybody else in the place and so forth. And the place just doesn't run.

Your V when he becomes — I guess fascism is probably at about the bottom of IV, as a step, and probably the top side of a V.

That's because it doesn't have anybody there making any postulates about how it's running.

But it's on the criminal track. You see, we could — we could have two tracks going down there, you see? You have the people who are trying to be valuable and the people who are trying to be as invaluable — I mean as valueless as possible. And they'd both be the same-level case. So don't get upset about this. That's why your V, if he tries to be very good and tries to be very valuable, often considers himself very degraded and no good. And why your criminal, like Pretty Boy Floyd or some such character, will suddenly say (He's a famous criminal; he shot cops and things, and became therefore very famous. About the only way you can get famous anymore. Anyway — unfortunately.) — in prison at the last — the last interviews that he granted, he was still telling people he was just a good boy trying to get along. One of his tricks, by the way: He found a couple of lovers sitting out in a car and so forth, and he shot them both dead. No reason; they weren't even armed. But he was a good boy trying to get along, you see? He believed implicitly he was a good boy. Yet his actual motive, in everything he did, was to demonstrate to society he was no good to it at all — a liability to it. Now, of course, because a V is on flows, this would bring him to believe that he was a good boy.

Some of these boys, by the way, will do all the work themselves to such a degree that they won't communicate anything of what they're doing. They haven't any time to do that, so they do all the work.

Now, a person who's trying to be good at Level V, and knows he's trying to be good and do good things, will believe what? That he's no good and that he's actually a liability. And that's about the first thing you'll find out about a Case V. If you start plumbing around inside of him, you will discover that he is totally convinced that he is degraded and no good and that he's not doing anybody any good; and if he really does anything, it will all wind up harmfully anyhow. But he's trying to safeguard against it somehow.

And one fellow had a tremendous sales department, and they were supposed to sell certain things. And through his great industry he was always setting an example for them, so that he would be busily selling all the things they were supposed to sell, you see? And they'd very often get a beautiful bargain and a wonderful sale on something or other and then find out the item was sold last week, only they hadn't been told. So he had his sales department just going in small circles all the time. Now a fellow could still do that and be bright enough to run the sales department. Wouldn't have anything to do with the level of case, you see — I mean on the tone scale. It'd just be how bogged down this fellow was in energy.

Well, that's the basic characteristic of flows. He tries to be good: he's bad. And you see this very heavily at Case Level V. The worst thing you could do then, really, is to keep this fellow believing that flows are valuable. And one of the first mistakes you could make is to show him that good results resulted from processing out flows, that flows could be used to process something out. This shows him that flows have a value.

Another thing: your football player quite often will turn out to be a V. Perfectly nice guy; there's no aberration showing. You say, "Step out of the body."

I see from your faces we missed this one on Creative Processing. That's why Creative Processing takes such a terrific precedence when we start to get down to particularly Case Level IV, V. Oh boy! Because if you start running incidents, you can run a few incidents without getting into trouble; but the next thing you know, you've educated your V into believing what he already believes and what you should have cured him of: that running flows back and forth is of value to him. So you've shown him a new way where flows are valuable.

"Huh! What are you talking about? I'm muscle, that's who I am. Look at these beautiful muscles."

And you've taught him then to be more aberrated than he is, because you've taught him that flows should be used. In what? Processing.

And you say, "No, no, no, no, we're not interested in whether this guy's a body," and so on. Oh, no, uh-uh.

Of course I missed this point coming up the line, so don't you look so surprised and hurt. It was something which turned up only when this later material began to turn up. I don't think it did anything harmful to people particularly, but it pinned a few V's down right where they were on the track: V. Because you start processing a V, and you start processing (quote) "real incidents"; it really isn't processing (quote) "real incidents" (unquote) that upset him. It's flows.

So you're going to have to process him how? With Step V. "See a black and white spot": You'll find out he's not able to see that spot. He's muscle, he's dependent upon energy. He knows where his energy comes from; his fame and glory depends upon that biceps, that's all, and his ability to plunge that into the line hard at the right place with a tremendous shock. And he's but — so we have in V an evaluation, more than anything else. Good, bad or indifferent, energy is what we use. We don't use anything else but energy, and it's got to have energy and we're not going to — we can't manufacture energy just out of whole cloth, so it takes this setup of postulates. Now, whether that results in good behavior or bad behavior or progressive things or good goals or bad goals or failures or anything else is the business of the tone scale, not the business of V.

You've shown him flows are valuable. And he believed this all the time, and you've just confirmed this. And how are flows valuable now? They are valuable because they can be used to process out the incidents which he is — well, for heaven's sakes, those incidents consist of only one thing: energy deposits and flows.

So your whole answer on a V is bail him out of using energy. Of course, that same thing happens at Step II, only you're not going to bail him out thoroughly enough in V. You're just going to bail him out enough in V to get him to IV. You're going to bail him out in V till he can mock up his childhood home, and you're going to go on from there; that's all. Black and White Spot might do that. He gets a black and white spot, and he — first thing you know, he's got a black and white spot; and the next thing you know, he's getting mock-ups. Because ordinarily your V can't get a mock-up right off the bat.

So, you see, you've shown him that the incidents are valuable.

And he's trying to stop. So let's go out on Long Form now and Long Form adds to that, this: he's trying to stop, so you help him. You help your preclear do anything he's trying to do and make him do it more so. You get the idea? There's a little slogan in processing, is Make It More So. The fellow's trying to succumb; well, with the aid of mock-ups you make him succumb better. He's trying to succumb. He's evidently and obviously trying to complete a cycle of action in which he — his goal was to succumb, or something's goal was to succumb; and so he's completing a cycle of action.

Now, he'll instinctively go in this direction because he really is living at this level. He's living at the level where he wants to use energy. Energy is terribly valuable, but energy controls him. He thinks by eating something or other, or something of the sort, that this energy resulting therein is going to do him a lot of good. He'll live in terms of energy, energy, energy, energy — input of energy. Now he's gone over the thing; he doesn't believe now that he puts out much energy. He thinks any energy he uses has got to be put in. It has to be put in first, and then he puts it out. And there is his conviction.

Now, how do you complete that cycle of action? He evidently at some place or another wanted something to become very automatic and erratic. And every time he starts something, it stops; but when he tries to stop something, it gets madly erratic. He's running some sort of cycle of action. You don't quite know what it is, but he can't get a mock-up very easily so how can you run a cycle of action?

Now a person can have this conviction, by the way, and not be a Case Level V, but if that's the case, he's still young. "It'll catch up with him," he said gruesomely. It will, too. That's your deteriorization of your youth. Beautiful wide-open case at 15, occluded as the dickens at 25. Of course, at 15 he had the concept already that he had to take in energy in order to have energy, in order to use energy; and in order to get anything done, including thinking, he had to use energy. And that's the conviction that catches up with a V and makes what we're calling a Case Level V. He's convinced of the necessity and the value of energy. And he's convinced of value. Oh, is he convinced of value! He will very often be a complete expert on the subject of value.

Well, it's an interesting question. Cycle of action, then, really belongs in V but it's where? In IV, because it takes mock-ups to get them. And you're going to — you're going to cure him of energy just to a point where he can get some mock-ups, and then you're going to go into IV. And you're going to do this by curing him of stopping, because that's characteristic of a V. He's trying to stop; and because of reverse flows, every time he tries to stop he goes faster. And so he has a rather — sometimes a very hectic idea about life, or he has a tremendously cautious idea about life or something of the sort. He knows every time he tries to stop that he'll go zwish! And he knows every time he tries to start that he's liable to do something else entirely different. So you just — whatever he's trying to do, you make him do more so.

You go down here and look at the expert who is the expert down at some big cloth establishment downtown, and you will find: "Who is your expert now on the value of costs of goods?" They'll take you and introduce you to a V, just like that, bang! Inevitable.

Now, he can't get a mock-up. (By the way, this is not a very workable technique on test. You'd think offhand it was. This is true of many techniques: you think offhand it's a good technique and you work it out, and it's not. This little technique I'm just going to tell you about is not a good technique, but this is illustrative of it.) He wants everything black, so you make it nice and black for him. It has a tiny workability, but because of the mechanics of blackness and so forth it doesn't go as far as it ought to go. There are faster things to do.

You go down to the big house and you ask (I mean the penitentiary) — and you ask, "Who is the best — who is the best authority down here on breaking and entering? Who really ever made a specialty, good specialty, out of breaking and entering? Or who became a fence?" and so forth. And they'll take you into a cell someplace and introduce you to a Case Level V.

"All blackness is, is burned out energy." That's his idea, "Energy burned out is black." I mean, he's got that postulate sitting someplace or another.

Value. These people are value-happy. Really! It's gruesome because, you see, that value is a pretense. But we have an overall picture of what valuableness is. Value can be something very solid or something expansive. And an invaluable thing (We have a precise definition of this. I hope you'll — hope you'll note this very carefully.), something that is not worthless, but something which is negatively valuable, something which you just don't want under any circumstances, is either very expansive or very solid. I want you to get that very carefully. Something which is terribly valuable is either very expansive and wide open or very solid. And that is differentiated between something which has — which has a negative value, which is a liability and so forth. Now that liability thing is quite different. It is something which is very expansive and very solid, either one of the two.

All right. Now, everything is occluded. So you're going — every time he tries to see something it gets more occluded. Every time he tries to make some things more occluded then they're liable to appear. Only not necessarily so: they're liable to get more occluded, too. He's at an erratic level of the handling of energy. He's not going in exact opposites. You see, he could learn to handle that like a breeze. If it always went in the exact opposite, why, he'd just do everything in opposites; and all would come out right again and he wouldn't do anything in opposites anymore, because he'd do everything right. Because if he did them in opposites, he could do them right. That's predictable.

Of course, because there isn't any such thing as value. The whole value is what you assign with a postulate. So value's got nothing really to do with it, but you will assign — you will find your preclear assigning on those two bases. Something's either got to be very expansive or something's quite solid in order to be valuable. And something to be dangerous or invaluable or a liability has to be either expansive or solid. He has no differentiation between a solid thing as a negative value and a — he's agreed with other people that diamonds are valuable and that something or other isn't valuable. And he's made quite a cult out of this, you understand, that something very solid — he's got names of various things.

So you've got an unpredictable randomity here in what's going to happen. This is anxiety. Anxiety is characterized by the phrase "I don't know what's going to happen." And when he starts dealing with energy he of course gets right into that head over heels. "I don't know what's going to happen." Because that's the first thing that energy sets up for you. Unless you conduit along wires and trap it, and give it a lot of MEST to run through a lot of other MEST, you can't predict what energy is going to do, very easily.

If you were to pick up a savage, however, and bring him in (who hadn't been educated along these lines) and show him all these items and say, "Which is valuable?" you'll get the same reaction as the Filipinos get whenever they show them a movie. You show them an American western movie. They set up these little screens out there in the boondocks, and the Filipinos come from all around and they look at these movies out there in the open air, and it's very perplexing to Americans who go around — used to go around and take these movies around and show them, because they always cheered the wrong man! They had no good evaluation on this situation at all. Nobody had educated them into this, you see?

You can start predicting it on this line: if you use Standard Operating Procedure 5, you can eventually predict what the energy is going to do with this preclear. And that is, it's not going to be used at all.

You have to be very careful about this. You have to tell people, "Now look, this is valuable and this is not valuable," and if you repeat that often enough they'll eventually agree that this is the case.

Now, here then is a person who has a certain erraticity that has taken away from him the feeling of certainty; because he's so — hit so hard and so often by unpredicted things, he's going to lose a certain feeling of certainty. So what you're trying to do — he's trying to stop, is a lower level of characteristic; you're just going to help him stop with mockups. You'll find out that's very good. He'll finally get so he can start. But an even better — an even better proposition is to give him — give him a certainty. Now, that really belongs in technique VI, which we're not going to cover because that's just ARC Straightwire.

Now there are some things which are valueless because they're scarce. You know, "There isn't enough of something or other, so therefore we don't use it. We use something else. It would be very, very nice if we could use something or other in the manufacture of something or other but it's too scarce, and therefore this other will do just about as well so we use that." We could say, "This commodity is terribly valuable because it's so scarce, and that's why it's so very valuable is because it's scarce." And the other is, "This just has no value because it's scarce."

All along the line he's just trying to find a certainty, but a VI is so starved for a certainty that you give them just one certainty of "Remember something that is absolutely real."

I mean, of course you should get about this time about how reasonable a V is. You see, they have to be educated into the valuation. Now, if they're educated into these valuations, one will get them one way and the other will get them another way and Rrmmm. They'll get going backwards and forwards.

And they say, "Uh-hhh! How wonderful."

Now, in order to obtain something valuable, a V will very often obtain something not valuable. Or if he gets something not valuable he'll tell people it's valuable, or if he gets something that is valuable he'll then realize that it's not valuable at all. He has this peculiar manifestation almost at every turn: Anything he acquires he finds to be worthless as soon as he has it himself. That is to say, he just decides the reverse about it.

A V isn't that starved. He's still continuing along the line that he's still got quite a few certainties but he could sure use another one. So let's give him a certainty. That black spot, it's either there or it isn't there — for him. And when he gets it so it's there or it isn't there, then he gets a certainty of action: Can he turn it on or can't he? Then there he got it. It's a certainty.

He goes out, he would — he practically kills himself shoveling coal or writing, copying letters in a nice, tight hand or something of the sort, doing something antipathetic to him in order to get a little pile of money. And when he gets this pile of money together it's just so — he was doing all this just so that he could — he could buy a big Roodybile. And he gets this Roodybile, and you'd think with all that work put into it that it would of course — of course he gets it, it doesn't matter what condition this Roodybile is in or anything else; he knows that he doesn't want it and it's no good.

Now, when I say he's trying to stop your mock-ups that you would use in addition to this and so forth, just let him try to stop things — not in the real universe, in the actual one. Let him try to stop things. Have him — have him mock up — well, let's just take one for instance. Let's take a little car, and let's take this box of chalk here; and let's put a little model car right here on this edge of the mantel, and let's have it run forward and stop it when it's an inch from the box of chalk.

Value keeps shifting on him. Well, of course it can shift, because something that isn't there can always change. There is no such thing as value in a MEST object. There is opinion of value of a MEST object. And your V's got it pegged in terms of flow.

[from audience] But a V can't mock up. Hm?

Now, therefore I hope that sounds very unreasonable to you. I hope all of that sounds completely unreasonable to you because if it sounds nice and unreasonable that if you work for something and get it, why, then you'll find it very valuable for a moment - just before you put your hands on it, it's very valuable — and then it becomes valueless. Or you've tried to keep from having this thing all the time because you knew it was dangerous, and then after you get the thing, why, you know it's very valuable. "Yeah, well, there's a good reason why I have this, it... uh, it's very valuable, they're very hard to get actually, and so forth and uh..."

[from audience] You said a V can't — — Concept.

You'll find some people doing this with disease, by the way. They tried to keep from getting this and they tried to keep from getting it, and they worried about it and worried about it, and then one day they get it. And then they say, "Well, it's all right because I draw a pension for it," and they have a vested interest in this illness, something of that sort.

[from audience] Oh.

A person will do that with engrams. He'll say, "Well, I have to have these engrams because that explains why I'm..."

Get a concept of a little car there, and see if it can run over and stop just before it gets to the chalk.

But the amount of logic which is employed at the Level V to explain the unexplainable is wonderful. They use terrific quantities of logic. In fact, most of the philosophers have been V's. There is nothing quite as specious as logic based on flows. You can prove anything by them.

Now let's take a IV, take a IV along this line; he can really see this car. Can he make it run over there and stop? How many people were able to make it stop? Okay. You make it stop. How many people couldn't stop it? Anybody couldn't stop it? Well, good, wonderful.

Ten thousand knights go down to the Holy Land and get killed in a crusade. To prove what? That ten thousand knights can go down to the Holy Land and get killed in a crusade, of course. "Well, it's because the Holy Land is valuable." Why is it valuable? "Well, there's so much land there and there are jewels there." People around right now write resounding books and say, "The crusades really took place because of the riches of the Holy Land, and nobody was inspired by any motive whatsoever except to grab some of the land and some of the jewels which were down in the Holy Land, and that was the real reason for the crusades; that's why the knights went down there."

So you see, the solution on the thing if you keep that up, these little mock-ups, the fellow will all of a sudden say, "You know, I can stop? So I don't have to keep on trying to stop, because I can stop." He's in the horrible trap of the harder he tries to stop, the more he keeps going. And he just has the tendency then that everything is abusing him and wearing him out, and he's used by everything and he can't use anything and so forth.

Other people say, "Well, no, that's wrong, it's really — it was a high and something-or-other motive and they went down there for some other reason and..." You know, men will get — if you see two men out beating each other up, they normally started to beat each other up on that basis. It was some kind of an assignment of value on which they were disagreeing. They were disagreeing about that, and what they disagree about is something is valuable, and somebody else says it's not valuable. One guy says, "Now, this is logical," and the other fellow says, "This isn't logical"; and the joke is neither one is logical.

But he can't mock up. He can get a concept of mock-ups. He can get an idea of something stopping; get an idea, for instance, of an electric fan going like mad and then get it stopping. And get a — here's an awfully easy one; this would be a trick one to give him. "Get a concept of something falling off the ceiling and not hitting the floor. Stop it in midair. Get it falling and stop it in midair. " Boy, he could do that like a breeze, because that's what he's tried to do with every fall that's come along.

So, your V will do this: he will come in and give you — you can always recognize a V; you do not have to worry about recognizing the bad-off V — he comes in and gives you the computation of his case. Right there, you know he's a V. His case is "logical." Oh, bull! It's not logical. Never was, never will be. That's what's wrong with him, is that his case is logical to him. "You see, it's all because..." and so forth.

You could get concepts of these things vaguely; because he's afraid to start a mock-up, because of he knows if he starts it he can't stop it. He's afraid of what he'll see and all sorts of things. He's generally locked up in an Assumption, by the way. It's the actual incident he's in.

Freudosis worked along this line. (That was a disease they got in 1894. It was a new disease that came in: Freudosis.) It worked because somebody was willing to take the responsibility for assigning value. And they said, "Look, it's all sex. There it is."

But your best drill by far is to establish this certainty and to establish this certainty on the simple process of giving him a black spot, giving him a white spot. Is he certain he's got it? When he gets certain he's got it and when he can move it around, he has learned he can start and stop things. And he can get that black spot with his eyes open, on an actual wall.

And they said, "Thank God somebody's taken responsibility on an authoritarian level to say what's wrong, and it's sex. Gee! Boy, that's wonderful! That's really great."

Now there are dozens of techniques which go along with this — just, just dozens, you could just add them up left and right — and the number of incidents that you could run on a V are without count. You could just go on and if you — unless you just happened to be lucky, unless you just happened to be lucky, you'd miss it, because he's going to assign reason to every one of these incidents — the most irrational incidents in the world.

Of course, we occasionally suspect that it isn't quite true, but that's the best reason in the world then to get in and fight like mad to prove that it is true.

He was taking a bath in the bathtub, and a bull came in and jumped in the bathtub with him (maybe this actually happened to him sometime or another) and he'll immediately latch onto this as being the cause of something or other.

Authoritarian material has a tendency to close lines of investigation. And a closed line of investigation doesn't go anyplace, any more than any other closed line. And that primarily, because you had such a terrifically assigned value to a computation, was why Freudian psychoanalysis didn't keep going. And it should have kept going, it should have kept developing, it should have kept advancing, because they had some basic mechanisms which were true and which were workable. And if they'd just gone on without insisting on assigning the value and said, "We've got some mechanisms, some functional material, and this functional process has produced here and there this result. Now if we just look a little harder and find out why this result keeps getting produced," they would have found out that the functional operation of it will produce results, because it disabuses people of assigning values.

Now DED-DEDEX processing and all of that sort of thing has been found by auditors to be productive in some cases and not productive in other cases. That's because they're encouraging flows. So let's not use flows on this V: let's just skip all those (quote) "real incidents." Let's just know they're there, let's just know more or less what's wrong with him and what's happened to him; and let's get this black and white spot, and let's help him stop things conceptually.

Somebody has been nursing close to his heart for years the fact that he bites his fingernails. He doesn't want anybody else to know this. And one day he says to somebody, "You know..." By the way, they will do this with you on another subject. You'll see a preclear and he'll have a haunted look in his eye and you'll process him for a couple of sessions, and all of a sudden he will blurt out this horrible confession. And then he'll be perfectly free and relaxed and relieved about the whole thing.

And another technique is let's just feed him Self Analysis by the hour. And then try him out finally and let him get a black spot. He can't get a black spot? Well, let's give him a few more hours of Self Analysis. Conceptual, understand? He'll tell you all of a sudden, "You know, I can get some mock-ups." That's fine: he's a IV.

You wonder why this took place. It's because you didn't smack him.

So you've just scouted the whole idea; and after you get him out of his body and square him up, then you'll have him come back and get a black spot.

He's known for years that his assignment of value was that this is so horrible that if he ever let it loose he was going to get smacked, that's all. If people knew this about him, it would just ruin him. And all of a sudden here is a human being that knows about it suddenly, and nothing happened; so he can change his value on it. Up to that time he didn't put it to proof to find out whether or not it had a value or didn't have a value. So he puts it to test. Does it have a value? No, it doesn't have a value. So he's relieved, that's all.

So the test of a V and the break between V and IV is, Can he get mock-ups? He's stuck in his body and he can't hold anything absolutely stable in front of him, he can't hold this little ball immediately stable in front of him. Well, all right, he's a IV.

Now, where you get, then, value assigned heavily in terms of activities, in terms of this, in terms of that, or value assigned heavily to objects, or value assigned heavily to types of energy, you're unfortunately looking at a V. And he's going to get logical about his case, and that's what you've got to cure him of. I can't say that too often.

If he can't get mock-ups, he's a V. If he can get mock-ups, he's a IV. If he can hold that little ball stable in front of him, he's a III. Simple technique.

Your V is characteristic. He'll — sometimes you'll get a V who will walk in, and he will have five or six typewritten sheets which he will give you. And he's thought all these things about his case since the last time he saw you, and you're supposed to read all those things. And then the next time you turn around he's thought up all these things about his case, and he's decided it's something else and he wants you to read all those and he...

Now, do you do a V this and that and then just have him step out? Well, you would if you could. You might try, but I don't think you will. So you go from V, Black and White Spot, or he can all of a sudden get mock-ups. We move right on into IV, and we do all of IV. And we move right on into III; we do all of III. And what do you know? We get him into III, and he can't hold that spot — that little round ball of light in front of him stable. He can't hold it there. Well, he's not a III then.

You try to keep up with that sort of thing; well, let's look at its common denominator. What's wrong with the fellow? What's wrong with the fellow's logic? Logic is association. He's associating too closely and he has to make something logical which isn't. If it occurred to him that it was not logical, he would probably at that moment be cured — that actually a condition of illogic could exist, he would be in much better shape.

Where do you go from there? IV. Now, what do you do principally in IV then? Well, you help him do what he's trying to do. If everything is getting erratic on him, he's trying to stop and he can't. And if everything remains completely motionless with him, he's trying to start and he can't. So we Tun mock-ups with him until he can start and stop on postulated command.

Now think of that for a moment. The concept that a situation without explanation can exist will snap the logical sequence of a V. So non sequitur Creative Processing will do it, just Self Analysis on and on and on and on; and you'll eventually find him starting to get these non sequiturs. Of course Self Analysis, line by line, is non sequitur. It is not logical. It breaks connections. Mock-up to mock-up, there is no reason between the two mock-ups. And you'll just eventually destroy this even flow of nonsense he's calling logic. You'll just shoot it full of holes, and it interrupts; and after that he's not logical about it, and so he's better. And he'll get up the tone scale and you can snap him out of his body.

You'll be surprised the tremendous relief that'll come over him when he can start and stop something on a command. So your V and your IV techniques could be considered to be IV as a big technique with a lot of things in it, and a V with a rather simple test and a rather simple solution.

The reason he is in his body is assignment of value. He has assigned so much value to this body that he couldn't possibly exist himself, because he knows he's no good, but the body's good, but he's the body. What's more illogical than that?

When does a V move into IV? A V moves into IV when he can get mock-ups.

So he assigns value to all kinds of bodies; but he's very often in a condition where he can't mock up, so you can't play GITA with him and cure him of the scarcity of bodies and so forth with GITA.

How clearly does he have to get mock-ups? Thin, fella, awful thin; not good mock-ups, he can just get some mock-ups.

Now there is another way of doing it. And this technique I'm going to give you right now in a general discussion. I said it's either very condensed or it's very expansive. Now, the bottom of the tone scale is, as we took at it, in actuality, viewed from the level of theta, solid. Whether valuable or invaluable or — I mean, or worthless, the bottom of the tone scale is solid.

Now what do you run in IV? Then you run all the techniques that are in IV. Cycle of Action and... Beat him to death, in other words, in IV.

Because what we've got there is not because that's logical either; that's an arbitrary assignment of numbers demonstrating a certain course and cycle of action. And when we use that set of rules with which to orient a case, we get a specific result; and that result happens to be an escapement from energy, and the handling and use and manufacture of space and energy by the means of a postulate. And that's what we're doing, you see? We're trying to get that, and there's nothing less logical than a series of postulates. You don't have to make postulates logical.

Well, all right, supposing he can't get that black and white spot, and you aren't able to encourage him getting that black and white spot on the wall and establish a certainty. Oddly enough, when he gets this certainty established he'll be able to get mockups. That's a make or break on that. So he gets this black spot and a white spot, and he gets a fair certainty on the thing.

Maybe you have no reason whatsoever to have a white cat now sitting on the front steps with perhaps a sprig of holly in its mouth. You would find people come along and they would look at this white cat — particularly if it was an inanimate thing, it was a statue — with a sprig of holly in its mouth, assigning all kinds of reasons as to why we had a white cat sitting on the front steps with a sprig of holly in its mouth.

He gets along all right then.

Now, if you put a blue bow on the tail, you would practically ruin fifty percent of the people who walked by; because it's got to be logical, and this is not logical. And if you named the place the Blue Ox and put up a statue of this white cat with a sprig of holly in its mouth and a blue bow on its tail, they'd go mad!

He can't do that, though. You've got this V and he still can't get mock-ups, and you've tried to do this and that with him and he can't get this black and white spot.

Well, only those would go mad who are immersed in energy. A little kid — who isn't yet dug in on this subject at all, feels very free, he hasn't learned his body's terribly valuable, he hasn't been convinced of it and all keyed in, he's just keyed out for the moment — he's walking by and he says, "Look, there's the Blue Ox and you'll know it because it has a white cat, and you'll know that's the white cat because it has a sprig of holly." He'll just locate by it, that's all. Or maybe he won't even bother to locate. You can't get little kids to locate anything for you.

Or at least you can't get him to get this black and white spot; I could get him to get this black and white spot. Always, by the way, store that in your mind as a little consoling datum. As far — so far, as far as I can see, it has been true a hundred percent of the time. I have not failed in giving a V a white spot or a black spot at will rather rapidly. So evidently it isn't very hard to do. That's said advisedly: it evidently is not very hard to do if you drill on it.

They're not interested in this psychosis. It's non sequitur.

And if you didn't see him change any, he fooled you. He just didn't do it well enough to be certain he was doing it, and you didn't carry it along far enough to make him certain he was doing it. That's a big certainty.

V has to be cured of having to have everything reasonable.

"So you put a black spot on the wall?"

Now, way, way up on the tone scale, along the level of postulates, you can hang together the track of agreements and things which led this into being. So every once in a while if you processed a V on logic, you just processed him with flows and ran out some incidents, you will get a sporadic result. Every few V's, you will get somebody who is suddenly in wonderful condition because you did what? From up here on the tone scale, you suddenly shot out from underneath him the train of agreement which led into his conviction that he has to use energy. And you just went boom! and this went to pieces and he's in wonderful shape.

"What do you know, I put a black spot on the wall!" I've seen people practically do a war dance around the place. "What do you know, I put a black spot on the wall, ha-ha-ha, gee! Well, I don't care anything about that mock-up. You can have all the mock-ups you want and you can have all this stuff, because I can put a black spot on the wall. I've really gotten something out of this. Yes sir, I've really gotten something out of this."

Well, you will look at that case and you will say, "Now look, that case was about that level on the tone scale, it was behaving this way and that; therefore, every case which we have should behave that way. So therefore, let's process out this kind of incident in every one of these cases and throw away all the failures, and not took at those anymore but just take these selected successes."

"What have you gotten out of it?"

Well, you see, there was a — there's a higher-level thing here, and that is the fact, by shooting — you did this accidentally.

"I can put a black spot on the wall." Fascinating. It's a level of certainty.

You cured him of using energy by shooting some sort of an agreement out from under him. You didn't cure him because you ran out an engram. Did you get that? That's different, isn't it? You cured him because you cured him of using energy. You just happened to hit the combination in the case — which might be available in any case, only it doesn't seem to be by experience — you just happened to hit this combination of agreements which led into his using energy; and it was available and it did unwind, and there it is lying out there in the open, and you shot it out. And all of a sudden he's using postulates again, and he's not using energy. He's in good shape; yes sir.

"Is it there?" "Yeah. It's there."

But what you did was cure him of using energy. And you used only one of the methods which is — happens only every few cases. You just used the one — one of the methods of curing him of using energy. You happened to shoot out this particular agreement, and that happened to cure him of using energy.

All right, if you fail to do that, you still are not lost. Let him get Self Analysis and work it conceptually until he can get mock-ups. You're never lost now, anywhere along the track; you've always got that one. And unlike Handbook for Preclears, that nobody got past Act Five on (some of them got to Act Six but didn't do it), unlike that one, you actually have a good level of security.

And do you got that one? Because you are dealing with a fellow — now you would say offhand that if — here's a fellow — here's a fellow who is drowning, and you just throw him buckets full of stuff. And some of the buckets have salt in them and some of them have water in them and some of them have other things in them, but you just keep throwing him buckets full of stuff, you see?

Now, a lot of the techniques which you think might fit into V really don't because the level of certainty's too low. The least certain thing there is in the human mind is energy, and a person can get more and more uncertain. Now, you make a person run whole-track incidents that he's not sure they're there, he's not sure anything else is there and he's just going to get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. No matter what good a sales talk you give him, you say, "Well now, Ron said in What to Audit that this and that and so-and-so took place, and that..." and so on. You can just argue him, and he's still not certain. The guy can sit there with practically a full front face exploded with this electric shock that just hit him during processing; he's still not certain that came from anyplace else. He doesn't have this big level of certainty. Sometimes he'll get it suddenly, but that's an accident. You just don't worry about that; you get the most certain thing that you can possibly get.

Well, if you throw him enough stuff with — if you threw enough buckets of salt down there fast enough, the water would get buoyant enough so he couldn't sink. But you couldn't count on that; you might be throwing him buckets of water. And you're at the make-or-break point in the case of whether or not you're throwing him buckets of salt or buckets of water. They're both clumsy ways to save a drowning man, both of them very clumsy, and you can't be sure whether or not you're picking up — you see, you're at the break point of this case. This fellow's just right at that line. He's still able to use logic and get along, he's still able to employ energy and get along, he's still convinced that energy is good stuff and he still knows it's dangerous. And he's on all of this whole track of maybes, you see? Which way are you going to teeter the seesaw?

A VI, of course, is characterized by getting a certainty of remembering something which tells him "I'm here because I've got a past." Your VI, by the way, is striving for a past. And he's really succeeded. He's buried himself in the past, and so on. Well, you show him some of it's real, and he gets real happy. Then remember that if a VI can be broken up into a V level by just remembering something that's really real to him, then don't break a V down to a VI level by giving him a lot of things which aren't even vaguely real to him. (The way I've done to you by giving you the whole track: I give you the whole track, and it's not even vaguely real to you at your state of case and so on; it's a great big uncertainty. You say, "Did we or didn't I... ?" I've done a terrible overt act against you, but I'm not sorry at all.)

Well, as an auditor, if you were able to look at his whole track without stirring it up with questions, you could determine which side of the line he was on and exactly what you would do, and it would be a very neat operation, let me assure you. You'd have to do very good auditing, and you'd have to be able to see that track without stirring it up.

Anyway, here's your problem, then, with VI is that he doesn't have a certainty. Now, you wouldn't take a VI and then spring him back to V and give him a big uncertainty by running energy incidents like electronics or anything else, would you? Because that's an uncertainty. You'd break him back to VI again, wouldn't you? And sometimes he'd feel like he were going straight into VII. What's the matter with it? Level of uncertainty: too uncertain.

And every case, then, if you knew exactly what to knock out to break his chain of agreement on the subject of energy, bang! every case would snap up the line. And that would be on Standard Procedure 1950. But, boy, you'd really have to be an expert to get every one of them across that barrier and up that line. You would have to know what you were doing to shoot circuits out, and to do this, and to take just enough burden off of this case in some direction or another to accomplish this.

Now there's another little sideways technique that can be used on a V, which is an interesting one. It's "I fill the whole universe, and it's all white." Just tell him to get this feeling, "I fill the whole universe, and it's all white. And I'm not using any effort to do it." And just get him to hold this and monitor it and never use any effort to do it. Of course, everything is black around him, and he's saying "I know it's all white." He's perfectly conscious that it's all black, and he says, "I know it's white." And gradually all kinds of incidents will poke at him, and his concentration, in other words, is coming up off of incidents and a lot of things; and he just says, "I'm benignly and serenely filling the whole universe and it's all white — no matter how black it looks — it's all white, I know it."

I hate to have to tell you that about Standard Operating Procedure 1950. It happened that there were a few auditors (unfortunately, myself amongst them) who were dealing with a Q factor: another factor that had something to do with this. In other words, you just sort of boot the fellow over the top.

And immediately after that, after he's gotten that way, he feels like he's going to be in terrible condition — he'll get a lot of bad somatics — you can give him this one: "I am a diamond, and I'm all solid." Get him to get the idea of being a diamond and how solid it is to be a diamond and how valuable it is to be a diamond. And then have him be the whole universe, and it's all black. He's got white streaks all through it, but he knows it's all black.

You just pick him up with the energy or enthusiasm or something or other. And you could just grab guys by the scruff of the neck and bring them up into the — above this level of being drowning in energy, you might say, drowning in objects and so on. You'd bring them up to a level of insouciance where they could act, possibly by your own attitude as much as anything else. So it was that factor floating around inside these techniques, and it was trying to isolate factors like this, which made it necessary for me to go on with investigation.

In other words you teach him to call himself a liar, because all the data he's got in the bank that he's using is really a flock of lies. He has been footed too often. He's been told that what he should start out and be all for in life was justice. And then he's been told that, and then he's been given nothing but injustice. Or he's been told that the best thing to be was to be completely criminal, and then everybody pitches in and demonstrates to him utterly that the only way to be is honest. He's just gotten completely flimflammed all over the place. He's upset about it, and you get into this.

I knew what I could do. I didn't know what auditors could do, and it's taken me a couple of years more to find that out.

So he has no certainties to go on. Well, you can teach him to call himself a liar. "I fill the whole universe and it's all green. Now, I am a solid lump of coal and I know it because there is a solid lump of coal and they're all the coal lumps right there, and right where my head is there's a coal lump." He isn't even seeing these things, and it's a very strange thing that doing this and doing the other, and doing this and doing the other will all of a sudden bring up some new ideas about value that he never had before.

Now, therefore let's not deal with one of these techniques which requires such a level of (quote) "judgment" (unquote) on the part of an auditor, for the love of Pete. Oh, yeah, an auditor who is a real artist: oh, he can do this, yeah, sure, sure. Introduces enough Q factors and has enough sensitivity about the patient, and does this and does that, and so forth. A psychoanalyst can do it, too. There are a few psychoanalysts in the world that keep the whole profession running. Why? Because they're doing things they don't know what themselves are doing. They — people go in and they find this person there, and this person is in terrible condition. This person is going in and they see this psychoanalyst, and for some reason or other this psychoanalyst says "Mng-a-gark" to them and "Br-br-owp" to them; they feel fine, they go out and that's the end of that.

What's he trying to do? He's trying to stop, isn't he? In other words, he's trying to get solid. Stop is solid. Stop is no space. So he doesn't realize it, but he's trying to get solid. And he's actually eschewing space and trying to collect himself into the smallest space possible. And this of course is real value, and the computation in his case is — usually is to be as valuable or as valueless as he possibly can be, to existence.

Somebody says, "Psychoanalysis works because look at Dr. Whumpwhump. He's got terrific records of cures!"

So you upset this by just showing him — just giving him an opportunity to think about being solid. And give him an opportunity to think about being an infinite space. How long does he hold these things? Doesn't matter. Two hours? I don't care.

And somebody else comes along and says, "You know, you have to have a certain sensitivity, and the reason Dianetics works is — the only reason it works is because Hubbard has a sensitivity, or these other auditors, just a few of them have sens..." That's true, that was true. That was — when it was really working on a real rough case, and so forth, there was that extra balance factor was evidently needed. The understanding was there, and Dianetics never pretended to be anything else but an understanding of existence.

Hold Infinite Space and It's All White for two hours, God help you. You'll get from here and there pow! and zow! and bang! and you'll get every once in a while the idea that there's a galaxy over there. You know that you've been — you read someplace there were some galaxies in some direction and you know you ought to embrace them if you're infinite space, so you'll start to reach.

But the technique of application required a certain nneh. Doesn't now; it doesn't require that. It requires just a fairly direct approach. Technique of application, then, would lag behind proof of theory: naturally would.

Uh-uh. No, no. You're not supposed to reach, you're not supposed to use force, you're not supposed to use any energy; you're just supposed to sit there benignly and just be. Don't reach, don't pull back from: just be infinite space. And every time you find yourself reaching for anything or stretching or straining in any direction or other, just be careful to adjust it and know that you're being infinite space.

So, let's took at your V, and he was the break point. Your V's didn't get well easily on old techniques. They required some real auditing. They required the same kind of auditing that psychoanalysis gave from their best practitioners: a certain magic flirt of the wrist that would suddenly make somebody well.

Some very interesting things will happen to a preclear if you do that. It'll demonstrate to him what his goals are, and it'll demonstrate that he's in a terrible confusion, that infinite space has no value. He thinks infinite space has no value; he's going backwards, you see? "Infinite space has no value, and a solid object is terribly valuable." He usually is in that computation. This is in reverse. He'll just deal himself right out of the game with that computation. What's the least self- determined thing there is? It's some solid piece of MEST.

That doesn't mean psychoanalysis works, but it means that human beings sometimes work on other human beings.

Anything can handle it. Anything can push it around. And yet he's got a goal of trying to stop? And he's got a goal of trying to be valuable. How valuable can he get? Really, in terms of his computation ordinarily, solid. So he's actually going, whether — no matter what he thinks he's doing, he's really going toward a stop, no space, solid object, which means he'll pack engrams in on himself like mad.

Now, you're not — with these Operating Procedures and in Scientology, we aren't fighting that factor. We've got that factor licked. We're working now with a very solid thing. We're working with a technique which, if it's relatively, mechanically applied to a case, will (snap!) break that case over the barrier into using postulates and living on postulates and not living on energy and objects. And we've got the techniques necessary to do that, but that's the break point at V. And so at V we have to do these techniques carefully, and we have to do them very thoroughly, and we have to know exactly what we're doing. We're trying to cure a guy of using energy, who, if we use energy to cure him of using energy, will usually dive to a lower level than V, and will go into VI.

Now, he believes that he himself is a mass of particles and that this mass of particles impinges on other masses of particles.

So that's why you don't run incidents on V's any more than you can help, because sometimes they'll get well and sometimes they won't get well. And you don't want any such maybes existing in a technique. You don't want any maybes at all. You want to know that if you do so-and-so and so-and-so, then this and this will happen. And that is what? The most extreme demand that you can make of a technique, with the additional demand that let's do it rapidly.

He's not a mass of particles. He hasn't got any particle which is him, on which to impinge another particle. He doesn't have this kind of relationship, but he's got two particles out there that he can push together and feel the sensation resulting therefrom. He isn't either one of those particles. And he will learn this, by the way, by just holding Infinite Space and then holding Complete Solidity.

We've for a long time been able to bail out V's, one way or the other. But bail them out fast, that's what we're interested in.

Now, one of the reasons why a person starts regretting injury is he's pushed these particles together, crush. He's hurt somebody, you see? He's pushed a lot of particles together, he's driven this person's anchor points in. This makes that person valuable. In this guy's computation, the idea is something solid is valuable, so he pushed this person's anchor points in. Now he tries to pull them apart again; that's feeling sorry. He — when he wants to patch this fellow up, that's feeling very sorry.

And that's what Standard Operating Procedure Issue 5 Long Form is devoted to, is bailing out that V, and that VI who becomes a V, fast. And we want to get him out of the energy flow idea and out of using energy, and in this wise we'll get him up into a IV area and go on and get him up into a III, and get him up to a II, and get him up to a I.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with helping people, but a person who's using energy will find out that it will eventually become completely antipathetic to him to help anybody. Why? Because he's got it mixed up with pulling particles apart. He wants to undo an injury, and it'll wind him up in incidents where he's tried to undo what he's done. So he'll begin to feel responsible for every injury and every somatic his preclear has. That's restimulation. That's the highest explanation I know of restimulation at this time.

And we don't want to have to expend eighteen thousand hours doing it. So I'll try to give you that technique in the second half of this evening's talk.

And you want to get out of that — just the dickens with these flows. Get up there at a level where you're not using flows. Those are the liabilities of flows. Flows are composed of particles, and you're trying to keep two particles — push them together. This tells you also that anything valuable in the universe would automatically become something painful, would be arrived at through pain.

Let's take a break.

Valuable things are arrived at and possessed because of pain. Because what's pain? Pain is jamming particles together, isn't it? Therefore, the way you make something valueless is to jam particles together. So how do you arrive at something that has no value? Well, you jam its particles tighter together.

Big maybe there, isn't there? You see, they both — to make something valueless and to make something valuable, you do the same thing to them. And your person who's way up in terms of infinite space and he thinks infinite space has no value whatsoever, he's running away from the only thing that can be valuable to him. Of course it's — infinite space is neither valueless nor valuable, and an object is neither solid nor unsolid (the truth be told, it isn't there). But, by concept an object is either valuable or not valuable. You'll find man putting his most concentration upon the solidest objects or the widest spaces.

Your explorer goes out to explore a place merely because it's a lot of open space. And when he gets there, he'll concentrate his attention on the most solid object in the place and bring it back. Fascinating. The widest dichotomy, then, is this.

But now, there's a parallel in the tone scale between "I don't know" and solidity, and "I know" and space. So if you wanted to run, with energy, these concepts (which you don't) you would — you would figure "I don't know" — on a Rising Scale postulate you would get — if you wanted to get energy along with this, you would get "I don't know," and then a fellow would feel he was solid with "I don't know." And now feel "I know" and feel very expansive. And then feel solid with "I don't know"; and very expansive, "I know." Now feel very solid, "I am not"; and then feel very expansive, "I am." It's a technique. It's another one, but a relatively small value.

This — if you want to teach this preclear, then, at V what he is doing, or want to satisfy yourself as to what you're doing, or find this stuff — all the data falling out of it actually, the best way to do it is just this infinite space and solid object deal. Not with "I know" and "I don't know" or anything of the sort, it's just say, "Well, I'm filling infinite space." You know doggone well you're not filling anything. And you know very well that you're filling infinite space. And the second that you try to stretch out, you'll find out there's lots of ways.

Now, you say, "Now I'm a solid object. Now I'm a diamond." And all of a sudden you'll figure out, "Well, let's see, I belong in this necklace, and wouldn't it be nice to lay in this plush box," and gradually as you hold that, all the good things about being a diamond will start to fall out. That's a good, solid, valuable object and people would take good care of you.

And all of a sudden the strange ideas will start occurring to you probably on the subject of "Yeah, and I wonder if it'd hurt to be cut up into some smaller diamonds. That isn't so good. And maybe Mrs. Gotrocks... well, maybe this diamond won't always be worn by a young, beautiful, swanlike neck." And there will be a bunch of doubts start coming in about this sort of thing. Well, as soon as that comes in don't worry about it any farther, just be infinite space again.

And you'll get, "Gee, it sure is good to be infinite space, yeah.... Ow!" You say, "I wonder what that was." And you'll say, "Oh, gosh, infinite space, that means I'd embrace everything in the MEST universe. Oh, no, no, no. You mean all these things I object to and that are fighting me and trying to determine my course of existence, I am determining their course of existence, I'd have to actually be those things too, they'd be within my own sphere? No, no, no, no, no."

But you hold Infinite Space anyway, and then all of a sudden you'd say, "But it isn't — wouldn't be bad and so forth to be the whole MEST universe, and actually full responsibility then would be, full responsibility would be — be willing to let anything happen." You say, "That's pretty good, and so forth, but you know that wouldn't be interesting at all." And all of a sudden the whole idea starts to pale on you again. Well, just close down and be a solid object, only this time be a mop handle.

Now, we get a similar technique in IV: a quite important technique. You list all the person's relatives we gave you in the long form. You list all the person's relatives; and then he mocks himself up as every single one of them, and then mocks them up as being himself. And you'll find the darnedest things happen.

Now, he's been trying to keep from being Mother all these years, and he all of a sudden, malice aforethought, he mocks himself up as Mother and, what do you know? gets all these horrible pains or something of that character. He mocks himself up — he's known that the real trouble with him all these years was his Uncle George, and there's George. He mocks himself up as George. He waits for something to happen. But George was a good guy; he'd forgotten that.

This fellow's all bogged down, you see, in flows. So that what he thought was good when he was a kid, now he's got to think is bad when he's old, and all that sort of thing. His evaluation of people was all upset. You don't want him to make a new evaluation; you just want him to be willing to be anybody.

Up there at the top of the tone scale chart, column of attitudes, it says at the top of the chart Nobody and Everybody. Everyone it says at the top of that chart, and it says at the bottom of the chart Nobody.

Now, in Step Level V he's actually trying to be a solid object. He's trying to be an object, one way or the other; he isn't even trying to be a person, truth be told. The combination works out kind of unhappily in that direction. He isn't saying so, though. That takes a VII. That takes a VIII. A VIII will come right out and be an object.

"I know what I am, I am a bedpost." "Why are you a bedpost?"

"Well..." (He's twice as logical as a V, by the way; he can give you the most involved explanations as to why he's a bedpost.)

All right. As we look over Level V, we find somebody who was really trying to stop. That would impinge itself on the tone scale as being pretty low down the line on the tone scale, it would appear. But he might have goals and other postulates which modify his conduct and activity, so we're looking at a structural manifestation more than anything else. And it might not be the thetan at all (and this is what's confusing, you see). It might not be the thetan that's holding him into the body. You might have a good thetan, your preclear is a good thetan, he's in pretty good shape and so forth; and every time he starts to move out, he's got a concept that — he just doesn't.

He's bogged down in energy too much and he tries to use energy, and so energy can influence him. And the truth of the matter is, the body he is in is holding on to him like mad.

So by running these techniques, you tend to run all of this out of the body. Naturally, the body cannot hold on to him the second that he can move on postulates instead of move with energy.

So you see what you're working toward there. With the V, you have the case that worries you. So I'm going to give you the rundown on this and ask you not to worry about a V-level case.

Black and White Spot Control: get him to where he can find a black and white spot. And if you have too much trouble with this, and he's too shifty in your hands (that is to say, he just — he just isn't going to go in for this at all and so forth) you had certainly better go into Step VI.

"Remember something that's absolutely real." ARC Straightwire. A sample of ARC Straightwire is in the next-to-the-last list of Self Analysis, and that's all you have to use of ARC Straightwire to knock out a Step VI. This is too easy. It's the next-to-the-last list in the back of Self Analysis. Just — the list immediately before the — before the End of Session list. It's the one just before that, "Remember something real." And you just run that list over with him and you'll crack the fellow up into a V.

But the VII, you see, very — is very interesting, the VII; you've just got to get his concentration onto something else, anything else, because his concentration is wholly absorbed on an engram or an energy deposit. And whether he's that whole thing or whether he's hard packed with it, or he could even step out of his body with it and so forth: that doesn't interest us. We want him to get his attention on something else besides what he's got his attention a hundred percent fixed on. That's all that's making him crazy. He just can't fix any attention on anything else except one thing. Now, you're not interested in finding out what that one thing is. That's what he's trying to find out. He's trying to find out what that one thing is, and the reason he can't find it out is because it isn't there.

So you just want him to get his concentration fixed on something that will give him a certainty. He knows he's in this room; he'll feel better. The second you get him to find out he's in that room you give him Step VI, ARC Straightwire, "Remember something absolutely real," he feels a lot better, you got...

Now, there is the only place where we really enter the question of sanity and insanity, because Step VI is neurotic and Step V is psychotic — pardon me, Step VII is psychotic (I was thinking of some of the V's I knew). Anyway, Step VII is psychotic, Step VI is neurotic. We have the techniques for that — those two things. They're the only place — two places on the track where we're interested in that.

Now let's go to Step V, and that's neither neurotic nor psychotic. It might be very sane, it might be illogical or logical, or the guy might be a saint or a criminal. We don't care what he is. We've broken any relationship there with the tone scale completely.

And we just give him this technique: Black and White Spot Control. We get him to get a black spot, and we get him a black spot, we go right straight to IV. When he's got a black spot, he can put it on the wall and he knows it's there, bang! we go right to IV. He can't put a black spot on the wall? All right, you actually are within your rights to immediately go on to Step VI and find out if he can remember something absolutely real. You'll find out he very often can remember something completely real to him, though.

So where do we go from there? What would be your next step, most optimum thing to do with him? Well, I'll tell you what I'd do with him: Id put him on Self Analysis if he were my preclear and get him to get those mock-ups conceptually, I don't care how many hours — fifty, a hundred hours of it, I don't care. Make sure he keeps at it, until one day he all of a sudden is getting clear, good, solid, nice mock-ups. And slide him right into IV and go on auditing him.

And then audit him into III, and then audit him into II, and then put him into I, and out he comes, kaboom! And then put him in when he comes out — you can't — you find out he can't finish all of Step I. Put him into V, put him into IV, put him into III, put him into II, and finish Step I.

So what would I do if he were my preclear? Black and White Spot. If he can't control that spot, I'd put him right straight onto Self Analysis and just not worry about it any further. Just say, "That's that."

But we do have some other techniques, I've sketched them out for you (you can fool around with this case if you want to), such as infinite space, and very condensed, and — well, he'll change his ideas when he runs that a few times. You can make him change his ideas about these things.

You can also take a V, and he gets a vague concept of his body sometimes. You can make him hack up a body or something in a vague concept, and all of a sudden he'll come out of his body.

There are a lot of odds and ends of techniques, I impress upon you. There are lots of odds and ends of techniques: lots of them. You could go on and on and on, all kinds of processes, with this case. I'm not advising you to do it.

You can patch up a lot of specific things with a V. What you're trying to do — he's using too much energy and he's gotten to a point where he's trying to stop with it, so he won't even see.

And you want to snap him right out of that, just as fast as you possibly can snap him out of what? Out of using energy.

So you give him a certainty so that you can get on into IV and finish Valences and Cycle of Action, Mock Up the Old Home, Give and Take: good, solid, heavy, all-out processing there as contained in IV. That means IV will take you the most number of hours in a case. And IV as laid down is a good pattern; you just do this and this and this and this and this. Your IV technique just merely consists of, Can he get a model or can he get a mock- up of his home when he was a child? Well, you handle that in every fashion — behind and above and behind, back and under and over — and then have him put lots of homes into himself and then lots of homes away from himself; until he's got homes. homes, homes. "To hell with them!"

And then we go right straight on the line with women and strangers and food and all this sort of thing, and we just solve all these scarcities with him.