All right. This is the question period of the sixteenth lecture of the 20th ACC, August the 4th, 1958.

Hiya.

Now, you've had a lot of time to run Rocks. You haven't, unfortunately, had too much experience here in Rock hunting, just as itself, and therefore I'm going to ask you to do something, and that is to turn me in a list of all the Rocks you have found or are running on every case. Every Rock that you know anything about, even if it's on somebody else's case, or your own, you turn me off a complete list of Rocks, huh? And then I can go over this complete Rock - a list of found Rocks - and we can get a little bit smoother common denominator on this thing, huh?

Audience: Hi.

Audience: Mm-hm.

Any of you developing into good Rock hounds? You haven't had a chance, much. You got them all.

I want to tell you right away I ran into a freak case that is a nonstick case - a case that doesn't stick but surges. The case was here a little earlier so I didn't mention it. It's a freak case. I'm sure I can get this needle to stick sometime or another but I worked at it for three hours. Unfortunately I processed this case before, and the case is capable of blowing full computations that would have been a talisman at one time or another, see? And as these things blow off I'm blowing down to machinery with a case with no reality on machinery! Now this is interesting. The case is obviously operating on machinery, and there's no reality there on production machinery. There's only reality on one thing and that is: anything that stops you is no good. Anything that stops you is no good.

This is the sixteenth lecture, the 20th ACC, August the 4th, 1958. Continuing case analysis - Rock hounding.

Now, „stop“ and „stopped“ blew off as stops. I did get the needle to halt on „stopped.“ The consumption machine, then, is a machine simply that stops everything, being fought by a production machine. No reality on the production machine, which is earlier, but lots of reality on anything that stops anything - and that is bad. Definition of something that stops: bad.

The length of time that it takes to run a Rock has not been accurately estimated, but twelve hours on a Rock is not an awful lot. Some Rocks have blown within twelve hours - some. But apparently - apparently you could count on something in excess of twelve hours. Perhaps even twenty-five hours. Some Rocks if - most cases are doing it - are in excess of twelve and some Rocks might take fifty. Just to give you some sort of an idea.

The behavior of the needle, I must tell you about. I'm sure I can stop this needle on such a question of a stop remover or something like this, and a stop remover will get over into some reality. But I must tell you that I haven't stopped it; I hadn't asked the question of stop remover yet.

The main barrier to the running of the Rock is the auditor, not the preclear. Just before Rocks go, preclears very often become terribly irresponsible, very upset and make a commotion concerning the Rock. But this is easily handled. Anybody who passed Upper Indoc, you just put them in the chair and run the Rock some more. You don't run something else. At that time, especially, you don't run something else.

I've exhausted the case of practically everything that we could think of, you know, practically everything we've run into. Whenever I say „Stopped,“ the needle does a half-a-dial surge and then slows its surge down. In other words, the common surge and rise of the needle, you see, is just about so much. Well, all you have to do is say „Stopped,“ and it goes - get the idea? Just the statement, „Stopped“ causes the production machine to go into furious activity; and trying to look at this case, because it's so solidly in an unreal, totally delusory production machine, is something like trying to look at somebody while he's got a hose on your face. You're trying to see the nozzle to the hose and all you get is water in the face, you see? And there's that tremendous uprise, this terrific surge every time you say, „Stop.“ „Stop“ at first, mind you, slowed the needle down and occasionally stopped it for a moment, you see? But then stops blew off of it, just in case analysis, you see? And finally, „Stopped“ no longer stops the needle. What we're doing is, just with scouting, coming in toward the production machine.

After you've gotten a Rock to stick you don't go on scouting. You prove the thing up if you wish, which I will talk about in this lecture, but you don't, after you've proven it up, particularly go on scouting. If you go on scouting, you can go on scouting and, of course, you're sitting right there all the time looking at the Rock and so you can go on scouting, which comes down to simple avoidance.

Now, a machine that produces things of some kind or another does not yet stop the needle! See? No reality - going through tremendous delusion. Now, perhaps just an additional scout would bring us down to the standard case but so far it has not. And I do have this freak case now, that every time you say the key word, you don't get a stuck needle, you get a tremendous surge. Yes. I just wanted to mention this case because this is the one case that so far is an exception to all other rules.

If a Rock does not seem reasonable to you, if the pc doesn't seem to know much about it, if the difficulties of running it are apparently insurmountable, you run the Rock.

Yes?

Now Rocks are Rocks. There's been one case so far that has an actual rock for a Rock. I think the original derivation of Rock did include the fact that the needle becomes steady and rock-like. But sometimes when you've merely found it on a scout, you have a needle which no longer surges, no longer drops particularly, but which does have some width of motion. This is not true usually after a Rock has been run for a while; it does then steady down to a very fixed position and doesn't wobble around much more. It'll continue in that state for some hours of running and then, evidently, one leg of it may free and then seize up again.

Male voice: What would happen if you said, „Start“ to that case, then?

Now, the thing to do whenever at least one leg frees is to check. If you find the other leg still fixed you can drop out the free leg if you wish, but it does no harm to leave it in - of the bracket - the command which gets a free needle.

Nothing happens. There's a total unreality of mental machinery.

Now, you'll get into various difficulties in Rock hounding and in Rock running. That chain of engram material which contains basic-basic is known as the Rock, and it is a chain and it does have branches. And the mind can become very synonymic. And some split-off may occur in the word, the symbol used.

Another thing, this case was asked to run a mental machine on another preclear, as an auditor, and just cut and ran. Just went. Wouldn't audit it, monkeyed, continued to scout and continued to fool around - needle just as stuck as though it was jabbed into a Rock, you know? And auditor would not run it, wouldn't have anything to do with it until practically a whip was used. (This was on another case, not myself.) It was fascinating. The case was just getting out from under anything that was a production machine but was not getting a needle reaction on a production machine and kept saying didn't know anything about a production machine.

I will give you an example, an example that I am very well aware of: arm, which is a bad Rock. It is a bad Rock because an arm is a communication channel, not an emanation point or object or terminal; an arm is a communication line, not a terminal. This split off to an arm, meaning a weapon, which, by the way, freezes down to being a gun, and gun is apparently the precursor of all such weapons as clubs, spears and other more barbaric tools. And other guns are earlier on the track than knives, poniards, morning stars and so forth, other items of delicacy which are in use, along the particular track line.

That suggestion, „Start“ might work at this time, and I've kept a very good list of everything that has been asked on the case. And the case unfortunately is in sufficiently good condition that it is blowing computations that would ordinarily stick a needle; and all that happens is the needle sticks and, boy, there it stuck, see? You say something: „talisman“ - on any kind of a talisman, you know, like a heathen idol or a priestess or something of the sort, you know - and that needle just comes up there and sticks, see, but good! And you say, „Huhhhhhhh,“ you know?

Now because it is an engram chain it does have secondaries; it does have locks. It will change its definition on you or change its type of thing. Quite ordinarily you find something late and it runs to something a bit earlier. Now what really changes is not the type of item. What changes is, the exact object is some other object, don't you see, at first glance, and it settles down to a better definition at times.

And then you say, „How about this priestess?“ Psheww - two-dial blowdown - the liabilities of auditing a Scientologist that's already in pretty good shape.

Now, factories or production machinery in the bank are evidently quite early and very often may underlie an actual item. But you must be aware of this with regard to production machinery: that it is machinery and that your preclear very often has the poorest sort of an idea of machinery. And you may have a machine case which has no reality of any kind on machinery. It is a machine which causes the needle of the E-Meter to rise consistently and constantly. That is a production machine.

Okay.

Now, all cases in the final analysis break down to two types of machine, and every case has both. It's something for you to remember in finally smoothing up the case after the Rock is run. There are two kinds of machinery and every case has both. So that if you merely get an item at first, realize that this item sooner or later is going to run down to two types of machinery. And even though these will hardly drop on the meter after you've gotten the Rock out, they nevertheless will be to some degree present, and you must always wind up the case with checking for and probably running these two machines.

Yes?

One of the machines is a production machine and the other is a consumption machine. Those two machines are on every case.

Male voice: Well now, wouldn't that case you just mentioned be practically a perfect target for this, „Mock up a person who would be pleased with your stupidity.“

It's interesting, it's fascinating to see that everybody is obsessively creating on a via and everybody is obsessively consuming on a via. Now, the character of these final machines may be quite nebulous at first. At first, as we address the case and try to do an analysis, we know that we have two types of machines at work. One is a production machine. It is making mental image pictures. And the other is a consumption machine. It is eating them up or doing something with them, you see? But the identity of these machines is so far removed from the reality of the preclear that we can only approach it, perhaps, on an item or a failed machine or a machine scrapper or a machine breaker.

Oh, yes. Perfect target. You'd blow through the delusion. You're right, and that's really what I would have done with the case if I wasn't trying to find the case - trying to find the case out, just on a routine scout. It was my amusement. I spent three hours on it.

Now, it's quite interesting that men and women use this mechanism to keep themselves mocked up. And you must understand the procedure by which people mock themselves up and keep themselves mocked up. The worst possible way to do it is to take things, break them up and stuff them into the mock-up. That is eatingness. But eatingness is simply a method of keeping the mock-up mocked up. And there are many systems by which people keep the body mocked up. Many systems, some of them so oblique and so difficult to realize, that as an auditor we have a rather rough time trying to isolate how a machine scrapper or something that scraps machines or breaks them up or makes them fail could wind up keeping a body mocked up.

Yes?

But you see, if we take machines and something mocks up machines - that's a secondary via, you see; there's a machine that mocks up machines and another machine that breaks up the machines mocked up-we still have the illusion of many bits and pieces being compounded into the body, finally. That's one of the crazier things that people do.

Female voice: Ron, could you have a Rock which is a consumer and then have a machine which is a producer holding the Rock that is the consumer in place...

They go out - the man, he wants his body to go on forever if he possibly can, so he consumes death. You never sit down to a meal but what you're eating death. That's an interesting thing. If you tell a vegetarian this, something like this, he practically screams himself to sleep every night at the thought of eating meat or eating something like that. But the funny part of it is the vegetarian is just removed over into vegetable death; and he's killing nuts and prunes and so forth just as thoroughly as anybody ever killed anything, you see? So he actually hasn't escaped this at all.

Yes.

Now, to dine totally on death is to keep things mocked up? Oh, no! But the very idiocy of it keeps a thetan from looking at it and so he says, „Therefore, I will go on being mocked up.“ His illogic is fantastic, utterly fantastic. He groups himself together in nations and then slaughters other nations and gets himself slaughtered in nations over causes that have no basis in reality at all.

Female voice: ... and then you blow the Rock that is the consumer, but the machine that is the producer sort of holding that pattern there, still remains.

Now, there's nothing between me and the Arab races at all. As a matter of fact, I like Arabs. Nobody's going to do anything for an Arab: not with gifts, with training, with finance, with politics or with armies. Nobody's going to do anything for an Arab, except maybe you and I. He's been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He's been going crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East. He wheat farms; he makes little straight paths from the bottom of the gully straight up to the top of the hill and then wonders someday why the hill washes away. You can see where an Arab has been farming because it is now a badlands out in the Middle East, just as thoroughly a badlands as any we have in Oklahoma or you have in Australia or South Africa.

Oh, yes.

In the middle of Spain you come across these badlands. They are old wheat areas. All the soil is gone and only this - firmer structures of the ground remain in place.

Female voice:... for a while?

The Arab had several thousand years to learn this and he never learned it. He never learned that he lost all of his wheat land. It's fantastic - fantastic.

It would.

& He's going to kick out of North Africa, he tells you, everybody and the tourists will still come, and he can finance himself with new cars. You ask him, you say, „Well, how do you suppose that tourists will keep coming down here if the area is in an entire anarchy, and the rule is very poor, and so forth, you'll have no tourists.“ “Oh, new thought, new thought. Then where will you get your new car?“ „Oh, new thought.“ „Where will you get your gasoline?“ Oh, new thought. Very fabulous.”

Female voice: Oh, okay.

Here's a race that has been going now for thousands of years, one of the oldest civilized races on earth. People think of the Indians as being the oldest civilized race, but personally I doubt it. We'll have to look it up on the time track sometime. But here were the people who gave us arithmetic, who gave us music. The Greeks didn't give us geometry; the Arab did. Here were the people who gave us astronomy and practically everything else that we know of as cultured civilization.

It would.

It's quite interesting, quite interesting to look back and find what this particular Middle Eastern race, which is really a potpourri of races who now inhabit these various countries, gave us in terms of advancement and thought. They gave us music, poetry, literature. The Greeks got it from them. Here's something that goes clear back, all the way back. Now, this may not be sound history but it's very sound Scientology. This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been eating death for a very long time and it is death.

Female voice: Yes, okay. I got it.

It once tried to conquer Europe in its entirety, and it failed. And that was the high tide, the very high tide of those races which in their conglomeracy you can call the Arab races. Fascinating. They have eaten death too long.

That's when your consumer goes blahh. That's when the consumer goes up the spout and out the window, you see, and you've got another wild needle. Now, the reason I mention this freak case to you is that I've blown the consumer off of the case, don't you see? It's „stopped,“ see, anything that stops anything, you see? And that consumer's now gone off the case and all we re getting is tremendous surges just at the thought of anything stopping it. Only it isn't totally gone.

& and now they bring death to the things they touch.

Female voice: But now you'll easily blow the machine producer?

Some of their computations are so fabulous that you would not be able to sound the depths with them. They will tell you with a straight face that if they do so-and-so and so-and-so then it'll be all right. If I jump in the well and then I go up and dive out of a three-story window, why, then I'll get over my demons and devils. Just talking to them vis-a-vis - they're very interesting.

Well, I think with another hour or so of scout, we'll get a machine into view because two hours deep in the scouting - this is an awful long time for me to scout anything - as I say, the case was making a session out of it. I'd tell the case every half an hour, or something like that, „You know, I'm not auditing you.“ It didn't matter. The case was right in there in-session, blowing things left and right.

Now, they still handle the field of magic. They still talk about jinns and so forth. They still talk about miracles. And once in a while the French are totally startled out of their wits to be talking to some Arab leader in some of the French possessions and have the man dematerialize or disappear or do something fantastic, you see? Now whatever - whatever has happened here, it isn't logical. Don't you see? It is not logical. To live they die. To die they live. We have this identification all the way up and down and backwards and forwards into their culture. Their most civilized practices were placed at the service of their most debased activities. It's quite amazing, you see? But everything seems to contradict everything else, and what you have here is almost a total identification.

I noticed that at the end of about two hours the case was starting to get a reality on machinery, and all of a sudden... I'd described machinery to the case. The case was just duhhh, you know. No help. Wouldn't assist anybody to do anything, you know, just duhhh. At the end of about two hours, case suddenly sat up and said, „You mean a mental machine that produces something? Is that what you mean? Or that does something?“ And I said, „That's right.“ And the case was getting an increasing reality on machinery just as we did a scout.

One of the things that made this true is their collapse of space - their desire to collapse space - their possession, as a matter of fact, of too much space. These people are collapsing space. And there are many ways you can collapse space.

Female voice: How about a machine that produces stoppers? Would that be a machine that this person would understand?

Now, I'm not talking about these people as any propaganda activity. I am simply saying that education, finance and all of these things would not do anything for the Arab today. Nothing short of processing him on the exact Rocks of his own culture. And those exact Rocks are religious bigotry and magic, demonology, so forth. These things have stayed with him all this time.

Well, that's probably the first machine this person will understand and that may get a stick. That's why I say a stop remover would be the production machine. I'm going to try that one and then I'm going to try a barrier production machine and I'll get there with this case.

Right now, Dull Foster and Ikenhower are risking the peace of earth to do something with or about these people. Ah, but force of arms is the oldest story in the world. Education is the oldest story in the world. The Arab is to a point where he won't even follow a decent leader. He's got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration and bigotry. Then he'll follow him.

Yes, Miriam?

I've been very interested in talking to Arabs that the bloodier I talk, the more fanatic I seem, the happier they are with me as a friend.

Female voice: Well, my Dianetics 1950 auditor's ear says you've got something that says, „Got to keep going. Never quit. Nothing stops me.”

Now, let's look at the mechanisms of this. Let's look at the mechanisms of this. They have a method - every thetan has a method of getting rid of his aberrations which gets in your road in Rock analysis. We're just using this race, see? We could educate them, we could finance them, we could police them, we could do anything we wanted to them and they would still go on being themselves - short of actually getting processed.

How do you mean, now?

Because what are they doing? They are actually trying to please people. Why are they trying to please people? They are trying to process themselves as a race on a very interesting line, fascinating line.

Female voice: My 1950 Dianetics auditor's ear. That would be the kind of thing I'd be hearing.

You understand, I've not said these are terribly debased or unsalvageable people. I have simply said that these are probably the oldest civilized peoples to whom we owe most of our culture. But here they have dropped back into the ven. [probably „fen“ - English marshland] Now, what are they trying to do?

Yeah? Mm-hm. Those phrases, by the way, are simply lodged on top of the basic postulate that created the machine, which gave them their force.

The fundamental of the case of the Arab is still ARC. It's still ARC. And that „A“ is so heavily used that if they had enough „A“ on any of their illnesses it would melt, vanish, disappear and cease to be. So it is true that if anybody is given enough ARC he would turn sane, because his Rock would be washed away with the „A,“ you see? But when the „A“ collapses - „A“ is consideration of space - and when the space is gone the „A“ is zero. So you have to start liking those things which have collapsed the „A.“ And so it is true with every ancient race.

Female voice: So this one would have to keep going and couldn't stop.

You understand this? If you can see this you can see a case, any case, just spread right out before you. You have to start liking and holding to you things that like the Rock.

That's right.

Now this is the only therapy a thetan personally, himself, knows. And he turns to it at the end just as seamen abandon the ship of reason. And he starts to try to dissolve or disintegrate the evils of his own track, his beingness, his culture by liking them. He knows instinctively that if he just likes this „R“ enough it'll disappear.

Female voice: You'd find that kind of thing.

And so we have the basic therapy, which is: mock up somebody, or a person, in front of that body who would be pleased with your condition.

Must not be stopped!

Exact command: „In front of that body mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition. Behind that body mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition. Below that body mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition. Above that body mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition. To the right of that body mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition. To the left of that body mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition.“ And that is a variable command in that: „Mock up a person who is pleased with it, who could be pleased with it.“ It has modifications of one kind or another.

Female voice: That's old-fashioned 1950 demon circuits.

But it all adds up to this: Be pleased with it. And you will find out that every thetan is holding to himself people who were pleased to have him in a bad condition. Oh, what a dreadful trick! He's holding as ghosts people who would be pleased, if you please, with his stupidity, with his illness, with this and with that.

That's right-that is-it's a...

In other words, he makes enemies on purpose. And that is the basis of he must have a fight, he must have a problem, he must have this and he must have that. Don't you see? And that he is trying to be pleased with death tells you that he is trying to cure himself of his worst failing, which is mortality. Be pleased with death.

Female voice: So maybe that's what you're going to have to find.

Now the Arab could-practically can't eat anymore. If you offered him a good dinner he wouldn't know what to do with it.

That's probably-probably there. Undoubtedly. Yes.

& He'd rather eat sheeps brains with dirty fingers, or something. He really would. The more nauseous forms of death and the more death they are, the better he likes it.

But it's funny - funny, scouting in this fashion and actually getting a needle stopped but thoroughly, and only keeping it stopped for maybe sixty seconds, tells me that you could scout with a considerable degree of gain on a case, you know; that there is some therapeutic value to scouting.

But you'll find this same germ that now exists in that race - and don't worry about that race, we'll tackle it someday and get it all straightened out - exists right now in this society. People are enjoying food. They're supposed to enjoy food. And most of the time they don't, you see, but they know they're supposed to.

We ran into one of the nastiest computations on this case, you know, the most debased beingness. The person was practically throwing up on the floor over the thought of it, and the needle stayed stuck on this one for about two minutes and then it all blew. The whole works blew.

Now, what is this food enjoyment? Now, let's just trace this point. What is food enjoyment? Now I'm being very broad here. And I could get into innumerable arguments. But understand I'm just talking about cases just as cases. It's an effort to run out death, to get death and mortality off the track. He can no longer cope with it; he is subject to it.

Well, so what! So you didn't have to run Help on it.

Periodically, all of his possessions, everything he owns, will disappear and he himself will become a sorry ghost, forgetting - because he can't stand the loss of them - all of his friends, his society, his former associations and skills; and wandering back in some maternity ward, which in this day and age is a very silly thing to do. Now - till we get to a few doctors we don't have anything that could be dignified as a maternity ward.

By the way, this case had an analysis run on it in another fashion and there was something this case couldn't do: the case could not not-know anything. The case objects only to one thing and that is survival and continuance of anything and can't not-know anything and actually had to be kicked around in a session for about an hour trying to get not-know running, on getting the idea of - just the idea - of not-knowing, let us say, this microphone, so that it would seem to disappear. Just getting the idea - not getting the microphone to disappear - but just getting the idea of having any object disappear so you could see through it.

Now, do you see this enjoyment of death? You see? „Eat your dinner“, we tell our kiddies, „eat now, eat now, eat now.“ The kids are actually totally dedicated to eating, but you won't find many of them who like it. Most kids object to this at first. Oh, you have an awful time getting kids to eat. They'll only eat those things which are furthest from death: ice cream, milk, things like this, which are manufactured foods, which are only dependent upon the death of a few cells.

And I put the case through a drill and I said, „Now, look at it. Now close your eyes,“ and I'd remove the object and I'd say, „Now look in that direction. Do you see the object?“ Case would say, „No.“ I'd put the thing back up here - this was just research auditing, see - put the thing up here and say, „All right. Now open your eyes and look at the object. Now, can you get the idea of the object ceasing to be there?“ And the case would say, „No.“

And they'll gradually move in. Maybe by the time some kid is eight, nine, ten or something like that, you can put a hamburger steak in front of him and he could look it square in the eye and by that time gotten so grooved in the groove that he can eat a hamburger steak. But don't try to put a hamburger steak before a child about a year and a half old. He won't really know what to do with it. If he does eat it, it has to be pretty tastied up.

Male voice: No, no, no.

Children's allergy to meat varies, of course, from child to child; but it is still his unwillingness to come back around and run this old therapy called „Consume things and break them up in order to keep the mock-up mocked up.“ See? That's basically an invalidation of his skill. Why can't he just postulate it'll go on being mocked up? No, he has a system by which he keeps this thing mocked up called eating.

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. This case is an obsessive survival case - just absolutely obsessive to the point where there's no slightest thing anyplace that is not going to survive right where it is, just as it is surviving at this instant. All things must! And the case at the same time answers all auditing questions, „Now, invent a bad situation,“ you know? „Well, somebody coming in and saying to me every day - and never fail, every day - coming in and saying to me... And the next day coming in and saying to me something...“ And a case doing any kind of a repetitive duplication in other words, but the case would never explain this, see? All these answers of something bad is something happening again. Repetitive. Repetitive.

Well, he goes further from eating. Some people are keeping their automobiles mocked up by breaking them to pieces. You'll find practically everybody will take three or four nonoperative items and try to build one operative item out of it. Sometimes they'll take three items, break two, and rebuild one. Now they know that will go. It hasn't anything to do with the fact that two broke down; they broke them down so they could break them up and build one. In other words, they've scattered those parts so that they're untraceable and therefore won't as-is.

In other words the case is saying on one side, „Everything must survive.“ And on the other side of it, is saying, „The most horrible thing in the world is for something to survive.“

And as a man gets more and more anxious about his own survival or the survival of his things, more and more anxious about his mortality, he starts breaking things up and making new things out of them. That is the other system he uses. You can as-is a perfect form and it's liable to disappear on you. See, a perfect form. But a form which is made out of composite forms, you see, can't be traced very easily so it stays mocked up. This assuages his security. A man who is doing this no longer has any faith in his own ability to postulate. See, that's gone.

Audience. Wow! Oh!

And the worse off a fellow gets and the more insecure he gets, the more anxious he gets about death, which is: losing everything. So the more he works at it. So here's another system he has: he breaks everything up and feeds it into a new composite form. And if he can just keep doing this then he's got everything surviving, he thinks. Do you follow me? Now, this is pretty interesting because here is the basic therapy and here is the basic modus operandi. The basic therapy: If you could just get somebody to like it, it'll disappear. Get somebody to like it, it'll disappear. If it'll please somebody, it'll disappear. That's one of his basic considerations.

Get this? And the reaction of this case on the needle was finally stopped and then we've got stops out of the road and now we're getting nothing but this fire hose surge. Get the idea? Okay. I'll get this one tamed down, but there's a three-hour scout. Some of you who feel bad sometime that you haven't located a Rock in three hours can remember this one.

And the other one is: If you can just bust things up and recomposite them, they'll last. So here at once we have any case being - in Rock analysis and so forth these two things are very important - we have every case doing these two things, holding to itself those things which would like its condition.

Any other question?

Now, back in the 2nd ACC we talked about ghosts. Every once in a while a person under processing will look up and say, „Well, there's my mother and she's been standing there for Lord knows how long,“ or, „What is this odd person doing in the priestess' robes over there in the corner of the room?“ You know? Much more importantly, many a case - many a case is haunted by demons. And we call it merely a field; it isn't a field, it's demons. It's real honest-to-goodness demons that he's keeping perpetually mocked up because they like illness, they like bad luck, they like misery.

Yes?

Every once in a while you ask somebody who is ill - if you wanted to go into a searching analysis of this, you would find some new astonishing data. You could go around the hospital and ask somebody, „What happens in your mind's eye (they would understand that) when you get sick?“ Well, they'd have to look this over and maybe give you a report in two or three months, but this would be your report: When they get sick something moves in on them. It's quite fascinating. The case that has a black field always gets a tighter field when it gets sick.

Male voice: Ron, I'd be interested in knowing if this „Mock up a person who would be pleased with your condition“ could be used in a group or would it be recommended?

Now, this could be interpreted, and was first interpreted by the Arab - which is why I dragged him in by his heels - as illness. Illness was a demonological situation, the evil eye and all this sort of thing. Later on the Christian, having absorbed a great deal of Arab superstition and culture, made this part and parcel of Christianity.

I've never tried it. It's pretty hard to control a group into mock-ups. Takes an awful lot of good auditing to do that. You'd have to groove the whole group down into an auditor's control over several sessions before you'd dare tackle it.

And all during the early first millennia, well that is, all during the early centuries and actually right on up to modern times... They had some discussion on this in Church of England the other day; they were wondering whether or not to take out their laws concerning demon exorcism or not. They still had laws and procedures of demon exorcism in the Church of England, casting out devils and that sort of thing - this has been part and parcel of this enlightened religion called Christianity.

Male voice: It would have to be very expertly done.

Demonology. The Catholic church to this day casts out demons. A young fellow was able to throw, on an automaticity, rugs and things around in the room and send himself scooting across the floor. Poltergeist. And he had two or three priests move on him to exorcise the demon who was doing this, which I think is quite amusing. That was somewhere around Elizabeth, New Jersey in 1950. The old and the new were in the same area.

Yes. Your group auditing - you couldn't take a group that was being attended by new people all the time. That's why, by the way, when you're operating in an area, you should not run a casual group as the group which you group process. You actually should go about it with a different procedure entirely. It's very successful in London.

Now what is this mechanism? This mechanism of pulling a demon in on you? If you're taught that demons like illness and bad luck and misfortune, then of course, you'll start out mocking up demons who like what's wrong with you. Don't you see? And then eventually what gets wrong with you? Demons. Get the idea? So you have this cycle being run.

Run a PE and anybody can walk into the PE or walk out of it, except you try to enroll them for a week, you see? And the excellence of your PE is determined by how many people are there Friday compared to how many people were there Monday night. And if you find that number dwindling too fast, I can tell you there's something wrong with your PE because all we have to do is change the PE Instructor and we can alter the situation.

Now, we've got these two things in operation, which I've described to you. And we have a third cycle, is: anything which cures, if it does not cure itself with itself, becomes the next generation's illness. Anything which cures in one generation can become the illness of the succeeding generations. So we have alcohol. Alcohol was a wonderful medicine, discovered very, very early, carried through in various forms. Anybody got sick they fed him some alcohol. Well now, how this came about out of something that likes it, we wouldn't know, but evidently alcohol was production of a god of evil at some time or another who liked evil or something of the sort and you drank alcohol and it cured something. There'd be some mechanism of this character. I've never traced it down; I don't know what it is.

Now, out of this group and from this group we gradually pick up candidates for a group intensive, like a weekend intensive. And what they do over in London is run a weekend intensive. And this weekend intensive is quite interesting in that it starts out at exact hours and goes through to exact hours, you see, and it's given over a weekend, and we run that group over the weekend. Now, you can run a group intensive over two or three weekends if you want to.

But I do know this: that you feed a drink to some very large percentage of the modern population, they get sick. Heh! How interesting. How interesting. Some large percentage, you feed them a quart or two of scotch or bourbon or something of the sort, particularly on an empty stomach, and keep them up all night so they don't get any sleep and they get sick.

Now, it's possible to take a group, then, start them all at once, groove them down, get them under control, and then you can run practically anything. The best producing group auditing sessions, however, are in that old PAB - I think it's PAB 114, isn't it, or some such PAB - the Tone 40 Group Intensive. And I've gotten several - I have many, many profiles on this now and they are better by far than random processes.

Well, that's crazy, why should they get sick? Well, they've got an inverted cure and that's all there is to it. Alcohol now causes what it once cured! So cause and cure not only identify with each other but reverse roles. They reverse roles. Demons at one time cured something. They were beings who liked your illness and bad luck and all you had to do was go around to the cave where a demon lived and you were - fully believed that if you just showed him some bad luck or illness or something of the sort that it'd go away.

And we even ran a test on it and had two or three group intensives run, using old-time Group Auditor's Handbook processes and so forth, and got before and after processes. Ran them quite well, you know, thinkingness processes and that sort of thing. And they didn't compare in results to that PAB 114 set of processes - Tone 40.

Now, after a while the Arab - because this was on his track more than ours, we borrowed it from him - after a while the Arab said that the cause of illness was a demon. Oh, wonderful! Now the cause of illness was a demon and we've carried that tradition forward to our own times. Many areas believe this is the case. You see where all this is going? Although the basic mechanism is simple, all I am saying, what a thetan does with it exceeds anybody's imagination but his own.

But this one, of course, could definitely be attempted but only on some group that was all of a piece and was under the auditor's control. Okay?

Now, at one time - at one time or another he became conscious of the fact that he was mortal. He found out he could forget everything. And this was a wonderful thing; this cured a bad life. That was the cure. Death was a cure.

Male voice: Thank you.

There was a picture not too many years ago, one of the last pictures of Lionel Barrymore, and this had to do with a little boy who got Death up a tree. Remember? There were a couple such pictures. But it demonstrated conclusively in those pictures that death was a good thing. People then couldn't die, no matter how ill they were, you see? There couldn't be any end to it unless death was around. The deification of death.

You bet.

Well, that's a very early thing: death is something very good. A dog has some incurable illness or something of this sort, why let him suffer? Kill him.

Any other questions here? Yes?

Euthanasia is not permitted the medical profession but they do it anyway. They quite commonly do it. An idiot baby or something that's obviously a mongoloid idiot and so forth seldom reaches the nursery of a hospital; it just mysteriously dies in some fashion or another in many, many cases. Death is a therapy.

Female voice: In looking at the pc and trying to figure out what to run on him, what Rock, some of these things that we're running, isn't that service facsimile?

It's probably no accident that so many brain surgery cases where surgery is being used on the brain to cure insanity - which is one of the crazier things for anybody to do - for it's no real accident so many of these cases die on the operating table. The mortality rate is fantastic. It's allowable euthanasia, which is, say, mercy killing. You get the idea? So death even till now is all scrambled up and it's looked on as a very therapeutic thing. But man himself, at large, though, has lost sight of its therapy value - he still dramatizes it - but he says, „You only live but once and you'll never live but once and you're born and then you die and that's the end of it.“

No. The service facsimile is generally the glib explanation of the Rock and it is part of it, but it is that part of it which is used on the surface. And you can't necessarily diagnose a Rock from a look of the service facsimile, but the service facsimile will come off while you're running a Rock, quite unexpectedly. That's about all I know about it. Now I probably haven't answered your question. Ask it again.

Of course, the Christians got this messed up by saying, „Well, after death you went up to heaven so you're not responsible for this life that you're living right now. You go to heaven; you don't have to suffer any of the consequences of what you are doing.“ I imagine Napoleon, kicking around France right now sweeping some sewer someplace on bad wages and so forth, wishes he'd made just a little bit more stable political picture there. He reduced the height of Frenchmen one inch, which I think as I've said before was his contribution to mankind. And imagine Napoleon now having to have bodies which are shorter because... You get the swindle! Well now, from each one of these cures you get a double stage here. It goes over into a delusion. First thing it's a cure, you know? And then it's - the next thing is the sickness, you know? There is an illness and then they dream up a cure and this cures for a while and then it itself becomes the illness. And out of this you get something new growing, which we can call a delusion. It's a delusory explanation of some kind or another. And these delusory - delusory explanations compounded at any one time would give you the composite beliefs of a civilization. There's a composite of delusions.

Female voice: Well, I'm thinking that if we run something that has to do with the service facsimile first, then it would expose the Rock to some degree?

Ah, that's not - that's not extravagantly said. What did we have for a thousand years or fifteen hundred years or however long that brief religion lasted... How long did we have Christians being worried about hell and going to heaven? Hm? Well now, this is simply a delusion grown out of the cure - cause sickness cycle of it. So we get a delusory aspect of this sort of thing. Got it? There's an unreality in between the fact and the delusion also. Delusion is the end product of unreality. In other words, this fellow finds out this horrible thing - that the reason he continues ill are the salt baths he's giving his foot. You get the idea? That's the reason he's still ill, see? He discovers this, so he now dreams up some new delusion to explain it all, you know? And he gets very esoteric about the whole thing and he may even lose sight of his true illness.

That is a good thought. It has not to this time been done because.. . We have one case, the service facsimile of which has been tackled from every known angle, and carefully has been kept off of the Rock for a great many sessions, and the case has gotten nowhere. So at a whole series of one, I would say that the tackling - this indicates that the tackling of the service facsimile as itself, in lieu of the Rock, is unsuccessful - at least has been in this case.

You'll find people who can't walk, who have a bad leg or something of this character, who are absolutely sure that what's wrong with them is their right ear. You get the idea? You see? And you'll have people who have no ears at all or something of the sort and their hearing is very impeded and they have howling noises going on in their head all the time, who will sit and tell you by the hour how it is their right foot that troubles them. You get the idea? It's a delusory state. Now, there's such an unreality between what they're telling you and what is actually wrong that you have a hard time bridging the gap.

Now that the Rock has been isolated and tackled with this case, and so on, the case is now making progress for the first time, service facsimile ignored. We've had an awfully hard time keeping HGC auditors off of some people's service facsimiles and getting them onto a Rock, because service facsimiles are so logical, they're so reasonable, and they are so obviously the thing that is wrong. And then the Rock turns out to be something that the devil himself couldn't have computed. You know, it obviously led into the service facsimile but you - all you needed - a six-foot rearview mirror to see how it did. Yeah, it's very devious.

So first we've got the cycle of anxiety. And this started out, as I said: mortality was a cure. „Mortality was a cure.“ Death was a wonderful cure. You could get rid of a lifetime and all of its travail and suffering and so forth just with a snap of the fingers; all you had to do was die. Part of the conditions of dying was to forget everything and forget you'd lived before.

Female voice: But when we are finding something with which that pc could reach or withdraw...

All right. Now, the next thing that happened, immediately after this sort of thing, is death became a horrible illness. You were just going along fine in the next lifetime, everything was swell! Boy, you had a nice castle and it was all stocked with the best. And you died. Whoa! Now wait a minute. So you'd resist it and fight against it and thus confirm the basic postulates concerning death.

Mm-hm.

Well, after this had been going on for a while, anything that would show up that would threaten death would cause a little anxiety. And the world became full of associated restimulators, all of which posed death, which means loss of everything. So one started to cure these up one way or the other. Body decayed a little bit, one way or the other. Well, there had to be a cure for that decay or you'd find yourself confronting death. And then after a while the cure for the decayed hand or foot or ear or something of the sort would turn around to be a new illness.

Female voice: ... that is the service facsimile.

This is allergy at work. Somebody's allergic to chicken feathers. Well, it's fascinating, he'll break out and do all sorts of things, just - should you wave a chicken feather.

Yes. That is so correct and you want the underpinning of it. And the pc, however, will give you failed reaches and failed withdraws if you keep at him long enough.

I knew a writer one time, a friendly enemy of mine. He doesn't know how friendlily I have always regarded him; he and his wife have always been good friends of mine. But this is what he objects to: his wife and I have always been such good friends, and it's driven him up the spout for years. He's a rather famous science fiction writer, by the way. Drives him mad.

By the way, do you recognize that in scouting there is a repetitive command that you use that is quite therapeutic? Is: „With what could you reach people?“ Do you know that? But notice it's being run subjectively and it tends to as-is the standard reach pattern of the pc. It's a sort of a repetitive as-ising process and, if run for a while, runs him out of and causes him to as-is his standard mechanisms, which are the service facsimile.

And he goes around and he thinks the cure for writing in general and so forth would be to get rid of Hubbard, quick! Now, he's totally delusory on the situation, which is quite interesting. That isn't what he's even trying to cure. Don't you see? He's not trying to cure up writing, you know. He's not trying to cure up somebody who produces so much that he can't ever get a story in edgeways. What he's trying to cure up is some kind of domestic situation which never existed in a difficulty anyhow. See? You get how rattled around this guy is finally. He doesn't know what's sick or how to cure it and he's chosen somebody who actually always has been a friend of his to hate. You get the idea? So you'll usually find a thetan protesting against the wrong thing, you know? But remember this, it's always safe to protest against the wrong thing. You can never protest against a direct enemy that might really do you some harm because you might restimulate it.

Now that he exhausts the service facsimile responses, why, you'll run into the Rock much more easily and you'll bypass a service facsimile, so the process of scouting does account for what you're talking about there, looking it over roughly.

This fellow, by the way, this writer, is allergic to black cats, and all you had to do is show him a picture of a black cat and he gets a great big black eye. His eye appears just that fast. I remember we used to make an experiment when he'd hold parties and things like that, a friend of his and I, and we used to take a black cat with us. It was quite interesting, it would just go boom and he had a black eye.

I'm quite interested in questions which lead into the Rock but none of them are more fruitful just than the auditor's imagination. He just sizes it up and pays his money and takes his chance and see if the needle sticks. That answer your question?

Well now, to trace that cat association with the black eye and just say it is an allergy is about the weakest apathy anybody had, because it contains these other factors: at one time a black cat, for sure, was a cure for black eyes. Now it causes black eyes. Don't you see? Just as simple as that. But that kind of direct reasoning is completely beyond the allergist. They say it is the dandruff in the hair of the cat. See? Or something, see? They've got to remove this thing over.

Female voice: Well, not quite, because I thought that's what we were doing with - now like...

Truth of the matter is they also would be quite amazed that this man's story most often includes witches and witchcraft. He's totally sold on the idea of witches and witchcraft as good fictional material, see? This is dramatic matter right in front of us.

You thought you were...

All right. So if the cause is the cure, where does the thetan go next to get well? Oh, wow! What a terrible thing! He recognizes this. The moment he gets dependent upon something it'll probably betray him, he thinks. Oh, dear. He doesn't dare be dependent on anybody, or anything, so help begins to be regarded as the greatest liability he has. And this cycle I've just described to you is the cycle of falling out of love with help.

Female voice: ... the attention machine or a heat machine and it has to do with the service facsimile, and we're running it.

So here he is. He's adapted a deadly mechanism, called death, to cure and it now betrays him routinely and regularly. It takes his friends; it takes everything. So he becomes anxious very easily about keeping the body mocked up. So he has put that over onto an automaticity. Now, he's capable of inventing machinery which produces things on - he's producing them, you see - on the via of the machine, takes no responsibility for this machine over here and it goes on producing. Well now, that is an internal, mental mechanism to keep things mocked up even if he's starving to death. That, at one time, was his eatingness.

Well, then I don't - I don't... Ask your question again.

See? Now he lives on death. He's trying to - like the Arab - the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem and disease and poverty and political unrest. He's trying to be pleased with these things and he'll only follow the person who is pleased with these things. You got the idea? All you have to do is stand up around Arabs and be pleased with murder or pleased with disease. And you say, „Oh, boy, disease is really something, boy. I see somebody sick; I see a bunch of beggars, (I've done this, by the way) seen a bunch of beggars on the streets, you know, leprosy and so forth. Boy, you know, that's - that's interesting. I like that.“ And the Arab, boy, they can't give you enough or do enough for you. This is a pathetic thing. See, you just mock it up this way just to see what they react to, and they react to that.

Female voice: Ways of reaching...

So any time some big chieftain comes in from the desert and says, „Mi Alakbar, kill everybody, kill yourselves, kill your husbands, wives and children. Murder all the Franks and three cheers, three cheers.“ Oh boy! Nobody can get rid of this guy, see? He's pleased with it all. So he goes snap. Got that? So the cause-cure mechanism is actually after the fact of ARC. The considerations of ARC are primary. Now, he started picking up things that were pleased with it and then when they weren't pleased with it, that became a new illness, didn't it? See, he brought in a demon that was pleased with it but then if a few demons failed to be pleased with the condition, then he had a new illness on his hands, didn't he, called a demon. Got this? So he couldn't get rid of his illnesses in any other way except by dying and abandoning everything in one fell swoop, which made him anxious about keeping things mocked up. So he began to invent machinery that would keep him mocked up and keep things mocked up. And of all things that machinery became the most valuable thing, but it became involved in the cause-cure mechanism.

Hm?

So the machinery that was mocked up to cure him of not being mocked up eventually begins to, what? Unmock him. And this turns up as a second machine which consumes what the first machine, which is still in existence, is making.

Female voice: Ways of reaching or withdrawing from people. We're running some of those...

The machine that is producing is giving out products which are consumed by another machine. Got this? And the second machine is simply the first machine gone bad but at a different time span. So it apparently is some kind of a very operating mechanism that looks quite mechanical, but it is built upon those considerations which I have just sent out to you with a rat-a-tat-tat here.

Mm-hm.

I know it's pretty fast to be able to pick up and trace this thing exactly, but it's a very simple series of mechanisms.

Female voice: It seems to me they have to do with the service facsimile.

Now, after all of what I have told you, we get the talisman state. The talisman. And the Arab is nowhere better than with amulets and talismen. You'll find most races which are totally up the spout believe in nothing so well as an amulet or a talisman.

I just said they do have. But to take the service facsimile...

A thetan, in his anxiety to reach others and continue a beingness of his own, will in his stupidity, pick up a talisman and become it. He's already got a machine that's producing and a machine that consumes what the machine that produces consumes, which is no longer mocking up this body but is actually eating it too. That's out of control. Any cure will become an illness, this he knows. And his basic therapy is still death. So he keeps something that will live forever and this will be a talisman of some kind or another and its basic thing was originally to reach people. Well, it failed to reach people after being so successful over a long period of time and the cycle is: a failure after a great deal of success.

Female voice: Are you saying we shouldn't?

His death - death, you see, gave him an anxiety about reaching people, gave him an anxiety about communication, gave him an anxiety about losing everything and so forth. So he wanted something that would reach everything, all things at the same time, and keep himself in good odor with the rest of humanity. But the rest of humanity had very peculiar ideas and he'd finally settle on something - I don't care what it was, it'd be a - maybe a gun, he might settle on a ball of fire, he might settle on a heathen idol, he might settle on a gauntlet. It didn't matter what, but there was some reachingness mechanism there, and that after a while failed to reach.

..as it exhibits ...

And now he's got it. And it is more important to him, because it has only failed recently, than the mechanism of death, keeping himself mocked up with a producing machine and an unproducing machine and the delusion accompanying those machines and machinery and what he is doing there.

I see. You don't know enough about the service facsimile. It's an exhibition that the person makes in life and he exhibits this as a methodology. He exhibits it all the time, except just how it reaches people is quite weird because it usually doesn't.

And up above this layer after layer of delusion and illusion and unreality, why, he'll have this amulet. Now, the amulets fail and they do a cause-illness cycle too. See, at first they heal and then they make him sick. So this amulet leads at once on any existing case. There's always an amulet of some sort or another. But some cases are in better shape than others and you can reach a machine at once, do you see? But this thing can be stacked up this way: the machine that produces, the machine that consumes, then an amulet and then several other types of amulet. These are all part of this basic-basic thing.

Now, the thing that produces the service facsimile is what we are running. This not only produces a service facsimile but the remainder of aberration.

The basic-basic, of course, is: „I can be something less than optimum.“ The first realization that somebody can fail is basic-basic; the first thetan's realization that he can fail.

Now, to take the service facsimile, which is the obvious visible manifestation of a case's attempts to reach things, and to run back to the Rock, is often a horrible failure. It can be successful. But your service facsimile will be run if you run the Rock.

And that's liable to get a couple of more machines, you know? Here's all these amulets and now you got a couple of more machines and then you got some more amulets and then you got a couple of more machines and some more amulets. And this thing could be just stacked up practically forever. Do you see this? A lot of stack-up involved here.

Now, let's take it from a diagnostic standpoint. The service facsimile is as often as not, of no use to you at all in diagnosis. But in running the Rock you'll run back into the service facsimile. Now, you are running the service facsimile when you are running the Rock, but you are not just running the service facsimile, fortunately.

But an auditor, if he's good, will get that thing more basic than the available machinery. Or he'll get the machinery that is more basic. He's got to stop the needle. Why does anything stop the needle? Because it's stopped in time.

Service facsimile is just the last decayed bits that are still exhibited of the Rock. See? That's just the last bric-a-brac and what this bric-a-brac adds up to is something like taking a half a dozen Chinese puzzles and kicking them all together, then selecting out at random half a dozen pieces and trying to make something out of it. It's a mess. Got it now?

There's another reason why it stops the needle, is all Rocks - common denominator of all Rocks: make nothing out of space and time - the best Rock there is, is something that is making nothing out of space and time. In other words, all Rocks are basically designed to communicate. ARC is basic on this case, you see. But to communicate they make nothing out of space and time. Got that? Now the ideal Rock is somebody that would reach everybody in the past and everybody in the future, everybody in the present. Then there'd be no space in the past, there'd be no space in the future and there's no space in the present. You got the idea? So we've got a total no-space. And we get the basic A=A=A of Dianetics. We have identification of everything with everything in one of these Rocks.

Female voice: Thanks.

Now as I say, the Rock can be the machine; the Rock can be the amulet; the Rock can be the thing which reaches everybody. Of course, to reach everybody you make nothing out of space, you see? The machine itself can be something that reaches everybody. The consumer is something that reaches everybody. At least that's a reverse look on the situation. It makes them reach you if you eat up everything that they drop in your lap. Get the idea? They - certainly you're in communication.

All right.

Now, it all, then, breaks down into an anxiety about communication. Therefore, this thing that every Dianeticist and Scientologist at one time or another has observed in his processing, is explained: The last thing to surrender on a case is communication. The last thing to change is communication.

Yes, Bob?

The stutterer, the bad eyesight, the this, the that, so forth - you've really got to get a case on the road to change that communication. You get it? Because the fundamental of the case is communication. It's A-R-C. And ARC add up into an understanding.

Male voice: Ron, in running my particular case and trying to put it on all eight dynamics, I have a horrible time when I get to the eighth dynamic. I cannot conceive of it without flipping back to the first. So I'm wondering what is the eighth dynamic?

Therefore, the Rock, the machines, are substitutes for communication from a thetan, substitutes for havingness, the R; they are substitutes for affinity. So ARC are the common denominators, however inverted, of all Rocks. All Rocks have to do with ARC.

Yeah, well that's - I've told you many times that when you get the first clean and clear, you can certainly see the eighth. You get the rest of them clean and clear, you can see the eighth and all of the explanation in the world does not enter in as any substitute for it. In other words, that's an unexplainable phenomenon. That's another isness for which we don't have adequate language.

And the goal of all Rocks is to survive, so Help works on Rocks. Help, help what? Help survive one way or another. Something is helping something survive. And, of course, a total survival would be optimum continuance for the greatest number of dynamics. That would be a total survival.

Male voice: Do you mean that we can't see it as a Scientologist?

But as a person becomes more and more anxious he takes a shorter and shorter look. And the reason I have chosen death to pinpoint it is because that one was the first dynamic. Now, if you can reach that one, the decision to die, in any case, that's the first dynamic therapy - most basic, most fundamental. And you have a Clear. Now you only have left seven dynamics and that's an OT.

It's pretty hard to do. It's pretty - pretty doggone hard to do. I could go as far as to give you some kind of a jackleg trumped-up explanation of the thing and generally don't deal in such things. They're just suppositions as far as I'm concerned.

Now, without the considerations of the other seven it's relatively very simple: It is simply earlier and earlier considerations that start with the furthest back, with eight. Eight must die, then seven must die, then six must die, do you get the idea? Five must die, four must die, three must die, two must die, one must die.

See, the whole thing hinges on the fact of: are we all one or are we individuals? Now, to do that with any subjective reality is the only way you can do that; you can't take it as an intellectual dose. This is one of the things that a person solves for himself.

Now, no matter how many inversions you get of this situation, there is where the aberrative chain of a Clear can be tapped. And there's where that thing can be cleaned up. The Rock only goes back to decisions to die, and that is all.

The Buddhists have tried to hand it out as an intellectual dose and wherever Buddhism has failed, it's because that dose has failed, see? Now, the next thing that we run into with regard to a computation between the two is rivalry - jealousy. The individual that conceived of another individual being God in a particular universe, he became very jealous of the other individual, you see? And we get a lock on the God computation. We normally run into the lock of jealousy, and you can possibly even remember in this lifetime when you heard about God creating everything and you said, „Well, I - I - doesn't seem very real to me. I - I had a hand in this,“ you said, even if you were a little kid.

Now, in case analysis, if you just know this anatomy I've given you here... You see, there's the basic thing, the anatomy of things, isness is defined by the manifestation of the postulate. And isness is a manifestation of the postulate. You make the postulate, something manifests and that is isness, no matter what it is. You see? All right. The isness of the situation is the fact that he's got engrams and locks and secondaries and machines. You see that? Those are the isnesses of things. But the considerations and the actual things which composite the case that you're looking for, I have given you in this lecture.

Audience: Yes.

First there's the decision to die. Then there's this decision to make up something that will make things which are then consumed by something else. You see? And then you get this amulet situation, the magic thing that reaches everybody. And these considerations are all of a piece. And that's actually all you're looking for on a case.

And so there's that jealousy computation. Then we run into something else. What universe are we talking about? If you're talking about the thetan's own universe, of course he's always been God in that, but is the thetan's own universe the MEST universe, you see? And if this is the case, why, all right and if it isn't the case, all wrong, see? Now, a fellow has to become subjectively reconciled to the idea that this is or is not his universe. So that's another question that has to be answered and that is answered with its greatest reality, not as a string of words, but as a fellow taking a look at it, see? Now, a Scientologist can know vividly what he is trying to answer, and that is a long way along the line. But for somebody to come along and announce an answer to this particular little conundrum, overriding anybody else's reality on the situation and the back reverses and so forth.

Thank you.

You'll find out there's only one thing I get criticized for. Once in a while I get criticized because I won't let people help me while I'm demanding that they help me. That's very funny. I get a letter every once in a while, „You won't let me help and that makes me very mad at you,“ and so forth, „because you won't let me help.“ And you look back in the files - you've actually asked the guy to do something, you know, and this wasn't evidently real as help.

So you get this other one. Periodically, I'd say once every six months, I receive a resounding upbraiding of magnitude on the subject of refusing to let people believe in their own gods - tampering with other people's gods and that sort of thing - running down Yahweh and so forth. The people that write these things - they don't know what god they're talking about. They don't know anything about it at all. Is it Vishnu they're talking about? Is it Yahweh? Is it Christian church Jehovah or the three gods of the Catholic church, or what is it? What are they talking about? They just say, „God!“ Well, this is wholly uninformative and we're off to the races at once.

Now, I think that almost any Christian will agree with you when you say, „Christian practice has left something wanting in an optimum picture - the practice of Christianity as it has been practiced.“ That's a good thing or a bad thing in the final aggregate - simply depends on this thing that every cure eventually becomes a disease.

Along about the fourteen hundred and ninety, something like that, about the time that people came over to discover America for Spain (its already having been discovered several times - like Lindbergh, the sixty-fourth man to fly the Atlantic but now he's the first man that flew the Atlantic, you know?), why, Ferdinand pulled into Spain, as a method of taxation, because he was always broke and he was pretty chichi anyhow - he was a very little man and Isabella was quite a girl, from the history books - and Ferdinand, to get going on his always depleted purse, instituted the Inquisition.

And a very sincere fellow named Torquemada was appointed by him - over Isabella's dead body, practically - to become the total head of the Inquisition of the Catholic church in Spain. And Torquemada took his job very much to heart! Nobody doubts his sincerity or his service facsimile.

Male voice: Oh, boy.

But here this fellow Torquemada was in actuality only serving Ferdinand's exchequer, because everybody who was found to be an heretic, of course, had to surrender all of his lands and goods to the Crown - first to the church and then to the Crown - and the Crown really got them, but the church got a large whack out of them before the Crown did. And so anybody who was rich could be communized - I mean excommunicated.

Very, very little difference between basic Christianity and basic communism, by the way. That's why they don't fight. You wonder why the churches don't clean up on communism. They have no interest in cleaning up on communism. They themselves have been communistic too long. And you don't even find them getting angry, really - which they should.

But here you had an argument there which put the final stain on Christianity. In England all you've got to do is talk about churches and so forth - almost anybody in any shop or the street and they spit! You know, they'd say, „Dah - church,“ you know? But, you see, it became the disease. But remember it was a tremendous cure for about fifteen hundred years. It was a big cure. Cured the world of the Roman Empire. That was its basic purpose. It cured the world of independent gods and spirits. Practically nobody here that didn't get hit in the head somewhere along the track - as you'll find out in running it - by the ingress of Christianity into your area.

People got too many engrams on the subject, that's all; and you start explaining religion and you've had it. Religion is a subjective affair. About the only thing you can do is point out the errors of past religions, and you can point out some of them and people feel a little easier about it occasionally. They say, „Yeah, well, that's true.“ But as far as telling the man exactly how he got at cross-purposes with what he once considered God, is a highly individual activity. You know, they got at odds in various ways.

Yes?

Male voice: I'd like to hear your explanation of how you started on all this in the first place.

Started on what?

Male voice: Scientology. Dianetics. How you sort of independent - became independent again now, or - how did all this really come about?

Oh! Nothing-very, very simple.

Male voice: I mean, maybe a lot of people have heard it but I haven't heard it.

I just died about three times in this lifetime and got used to being outside. Really, that's factual, and because I was already moved out of the groove, don't you see, in teachings. My family, many members of my family that I was raised with were devout Christians, and my grandfather was a devout atheist. And there were conflicts involved in the subject, and like a kid normally will, where there's an area of argument, he just moves out of it and he says, „Well, I don't know anything about it,“ you know? And I got over to Asia and India and I found out there were a terrific number of things that were - evidently people knew, and then I found out to my horror that they didn't know what they knew about! I eventually realized that - that they didn't know what they knew about. And they didn't know how they were doing, what they were doing, and in the midst of all of this knowledge, I found the direst of poverty and a totally caved-in civilization. So that knowledge couldn't have been any good for anybody but it still was a route, you know? They didn't have it.

And I came over and took science over here at GW down at 22nd and G Street. After I'd been there for a little while, I found out they sure didn't have much of a route in science - they were gibbering! Yeah. They didn't explain very much of anything.

I got so I could pass a 100 percent examination on physics any day - I just - snap of the fingers, run it all off just like a machine, you know? Nothing to it. But didn't get us anywhere. Didn't explain matter. Didn't explain the universe - why it was here.

Used to listen to biologists gibbering around about how we were all mud, and so forth, and I already knew that they were quoting a heathen religion over in India. And I tried to tell them this and they'd say, „Oh! No, no, no. This is the latest biological founding,“ and so forth. Bah! And they were dramatizing Adam and the rib and so forth and so I figured these guys were kind of dead-ended. And then, I got interested in the arts and I said, „Well, the devil with all of it.“ I got interested in the arts and was fooling around in the arts and all of a sudden wondered why all poetry in all languages sounded like poetry! And decided there must be some missing branch of aesthetics called rhythm or something. And I couldn't - found out nobody had adequately described the stuff, so I set up some scientific apparatus to test some Japanese poetry.

And then I wondered why various syllables - why should various syllables mean sadness? I eventually got the picture of sad syllables, you see? I spoke two or three languages without too much difficulty, you know, heathen languages, and so forth. And I'd take poems from these languages and I'd read them and I'd get a picture on a little tape on a Koenig photometer. And I'd look at this and they looked the same, but these syllables were a common denominator of sadness, you see, or a common denominator of joy. And you'd get a certain wave picture that's joy, and a certain wave picture that's sadness, you know? And yet, each race seemed to agree on this, and I'd found the first thing that man could agree on, of being sad and being happy and that that had something to do with certain syllables.

And boy! This was quite a revelation to me, but I said, „Well, if people know all about this...“ and I went over to the psychology department. You wonder why I'm bitter about psychology. And I found a fellow over there named Dr. Fred Moss and he was a fine guy. He'd been called in by President Hoover many times for consultations. He was one of the better psychologists in the country - he wrote a book or two on the subject - and not a bad old joe himself at all.

But I found out they couldn't answer a single question I asked them about behavior or the mind. And I found out psychology was a study of a thing called a brain and it had no relationship to the thing called a mind. And the more I stressed this fact and the more I asked questions concerning it, the more I found that the mind was a totally neglected subject in modern times.

So I busted out James and an encyclopedia and Locke and Hume and Descartes and all the rest of it and, boy, I read those guys down to the bone - and they all disagreed to some degree or another.

But the odd part of it is that the older editions of the Encyclopaedia Britannica - I realize now at this line - does carry a list of terms that we use right now in Scientology. It's by accident, see? Our concentration on these terms and subjects was once concentrated on back in the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth century, see? Man was thinking fairly straight along this line and then he went nuts, went crazy, you see? And I found these fellows were simply being pompous. And you only find me getting real cross about one thing. This is a common denominator of what I get cross about, I get real mad about. It's not any individual penchant, I don't think, because I've looked for it in vain. But when something is pretending to be something else than it is, when it is knowingly pretending and when it is knowingly a fraud, I cannot restrain my teeth from meeting. That one drives me nuts, see? Why? Here are a bunch of people who want to know - civilization which is dying for the lack of a knowledge - and here and there in the society we find some men who know positively that they don't know and who are saying to everybody else that they know.

Now, these men are the principal third dynamic engrams; and those are the engrams of the third dynamic. Here we have Dull Foster, see? Dull Foster himself knows and states to his friends that he knows nothing about international relations and the only reason he wants to be secretary of state was because his grandfather's great-grandfather was. He knows that he has no business opening his fat mouth! And here he's got this country so involved it doesn't know whether it's coming or going. The man is not honest, and when a man is knowingly dishonest I like to break out my quiver of arrows, even if they are only verbal.

Now, as far as knowledge of the subject concerned, I proceeded from the fact the psychology department didn't know what I was talking about. I said „Man, whatever his race, apparently has something in common emotionally. Now, what is emotion?“ Duhh. Anytime we talked about something besides a part of the brain they weren't with us.

Well, the Christian Scientist had already talked about mind. You look in Christian Science and, although there's some pretty wild ones in there, they must have been on the groove somehow or another; they at least admitted there is something called „mind.“ And to find oneself existing in a society, with the knowledge that there was a hole in that society, needed for the enhancement of its culture, which wasn't filled, plugged or cared for, and so on, was challenge enough. That was challenge enough and I fooled along with that for some time, just monkeying around, trying to find a few common denominators. I applied mathematics and what I knew of the physical sciences and what I knew of spiritualism, hypnotism and the rest of it. I was not without some background on the subject. But here you had a broad span, and I wasn't dedicated to any of these any more than I am dedicated to a symbol today. It's just the truth and what is it all about; that's the dedication.

And I found that there was some advance - one could make an advance along these lines and one could understand more about it and I was quite pleased to go ahead with it. And then one day I kicked the bucket and that upset everything. And I found myself about a hundred and fifty yards outside the head, with the heart stopped, and I said, „Wait a minute! What am I doing here?“ You know? „What's this all about?“ You know? I kind of dimly remember that this was the way it was supposed to be anyhow, and then it was kind of, „What was I doing in there?“ See? And found out vaguely that I had a full command of my faculties. And people that have been exteriorized by auditors very often can't see the environment or see a false environment. I never had that difficulty - the environment that was there. The cars were cars, the body was the body, the operating table was the operating table and all the rest of it, see? I saw the body was going to kick the bucket and suddenly realized that was going to do me out of things. Now, here I'd been working for years trying to build a name and I'd been - had a few MEST possessions and I had things wheeling. And I just reached over and grabbed the body by the head and smacked it back to life again, see? Bang! And it gave me pause for thought.

Oddly enough, I reverted from a spiritual explanation and explained everything electronically, or tried to. But I was merely interested in what was making the body function because I was trying to hook it up again.

Well, a couple of times in the war - various things - 1938 I wrote the first book on this subject: common denominator of existence is survival, and that is for true. It still is. We're still solving things on the basis of survive: the first command. It took - '38 to '58 - it took nineteenth years, that is, 1957 I found „help.“ It took nineteen years to find a word that exactly ran and described survival so that it would run on cases, and it was the via that was the acceptable via that took apart the conglomeration of this and that, see? But during the war, why, I already knew enough about my subject. I had run into people who were interested in the mind, Freudian analysis, other things, when I was a kid. I used to be able to take Freudian analysis and things like that and patch up guys who were going off their rockers.

Last year of the war I spent getting patched up in a naval hospital. And I used to drift over and bother the psychiatrists and I didn't belong in that ward, and so they got upset with me. And I found out I could do things with troops that were in Jap camps and so forth, nobody else could do.

And thought of myself as - the first time as somebody who actually had some business in the field of practice as well as research. First time - because it didn't matter how many hours they saw psychiatrists or psychoanalysts, you see, they didn't get well. And I could patch them up sometimes fairly adequately.

And then, 1947, I received all of my back pay from the war in one lump sum and although I was going along pretty good as a writer, I had to write the whole thing into solvency, which left very little time for research. I set up a practice in Hollywood with this lump sum and all of a sudden had a singing, humming practice. Every once in a while somebody writes me from 1947. I didn't charge people anything unless it was part of their case that I had to, and started making Clears.

I heard from one of those Clears the other day, by the way. A girl wrote me - and she had no word for anything, you know - thanking me for all the confidence I had given her, and she'd been very successful since. These people evidently were still pretty stable up the line.

And then by 1950, wrote a book on the subject but I, meantime, had tried to teach some people how to do it; and the book was devoted to teaching them how to do it. It came close in some places but it didn't give, oddly enough, the first clearing method. I myself didn't understand it and I carried on since that time merely developing a surer lineup.

And what drove me from 1947 on was this one fact: I realized that a subject of the mind in the world had no slightest business existing unless it cured itself; and that acted as a terrific catalyst. You could release things into the world, then, which were unsolvable and which merely became new evils, and anybody who has done that in the field of the mind, you see, has gummed the race up something fierce.

So, not wanting to gum the race up just one more time - as one more guy gumming the race up - I have been surging forward towards a subject which also solved itself. And you have processes today, old processes, which run out auditors, pcs, run me out, run all the books out, you know? And I wouldn't be proceeding with any aplomb unless - unless that were the case, you know? We don't want a new cult - as the newspapers insist on calling us - which is going forward, unable to cure itself, which in another century would become one of the greatest ills the race has, like Christianity did.

Christianity to me is the great example of this. For a while it was terribly successful and then it just caved in on itself and it became - oh, whole nations have been slaughtered in the name of peace and Christ, for heaven's sakes. And I never wanted to get into this category, that's for sure. That's what's been keeping us going.

But a bomb landed in front of me one time and blew me appetite over tin cup, and so forth, and I found myself out of my head again, only I was used to it by this time - pick the mock-up up and keep it going - pretty weird, pretty weird.

Any one of you might have started on the same route - any one of you. It's just a cross-up of training more than anything else, and a stick-to-ivity on the subject, which was actually taught to me in several fields. But nothing very odd about it except that it...

The oddest thing about it to me is why man never made a breakthrough on this! That I have never been able to get through my head, you know? And I read these wise men, these men with facilities of language and thought and so forth which I never on earth possessed, and these guys were walking around in circles? Schopenhauer, for instance. This man's ability to write and to think, and so forth, and he got right on down to the death engram - Will and the Idea - he got right on down. And then he simply dramatized: he didn't do anything more than dramatize.

And that man has been staggered by this for some time has made me suspicious! Maybe it wasn't supposed to be solved, you know? And I had that suspicion with me right up till 1950 and I then began to realize that that was not the case! That it couldn't be solved - that was factual from the standard reference points he uses. That it was not meant to be solved was a dramatization.

One of the biggest dramatizations you'll find in a case is the case mustn't know anything about its own case. As a matter of fact, that dramatization, I'll confess to you, carries on to this moment in Scientology - that you mustn't know much about your own case; you must audit somebody else and understand his case.

Now, with this ACC we have made a breakthrough in that, all by itself, and I can conceive the possibility now of a man being able to confront his own bank well enough to solve his own case. I can confront this. Self-auditing, as long as you stay on „Mock up somebody who would like your own condition,“ something like that (don't go off into a figure-figure and so on) is productive of results. I've been keeping two cases on self-audit and taking tests on them, and they are gaining - they are gaining about - with half the speed they would have gotten from an auditor, see? But of course they do have an auditor sort of on an oblique angle. But this we're solving; we're getting it even on down past the universal „There must be two,“ don't you see? And that's passing to some degree.

But that doesn't invalidate your training because as I look at the people who are around in this world at this time and imagine them being able to confront their own minds, when they don't even know such a thing exists, there s lots of room for you.

Well, that's the long and arduous story of it, stripped of all of its romantic elements.

Okay.

Yes?

Male voice: I've heard a lot of fabulous stories about the book „Excalibur.“ Could you tell us a little about that?

It still - it still exists. I got a carbon copy of it. The original's been stolen.

Male voice: Will you ever put it in print, Ron?

The original... No. The original was stolen by the Russians a long time ago. They offered me a hundred thousand dollars to go to Russia and work exclusively in Russia - all laboratory facilities - and actually offered me any facility and pay and equipment that Pavlov had ever had and they almost had me on the boat, you know? That was back with Amtorg [Amerikanskaya Torgovlya - A Russian - American trading company]. And a few years later, why, my apartment was raided, doors smashed in and so forth, and the only thing missing in the whole place - papers were all thrown about and so forth - and the only thing missing (there were very many valuables there) and the only thing missing was the original copy of the book „Excalibur.“ Still gone. I do have a carbon of it, however. I didn't know I had the carbon. The carbon is the first writing. The book that was stolen had been rewritten somewhat. That answer it?

Male voice: Well, I was wondering if it would be something that you might ever put in print or.

Highly doubtful.

Male voice: Was it dangerous to read, I mean, the subject.

Very, very.

Male voice: How about Scientology?

Terrifically introverting.

No. Scientology offers some hope. „Excalibur“ simply was nothing on worlds, Earth - without any understanding at all on the subject of why. Or it simply said exactly what he was looking at and it evidently produced the mechanism, making him confront immediately and intimately all of the brain mechanisms. And, „Excalibur“ is actually devoted to brain mechanisms as well as many of the principles which led to the research line. But it described brain mechanisms, and so forth, and guys read those things and they actually were sitting there just looking at them and they go up the spout.

Now, in Scientology you ask a man to confront why, you ask him to confront thinkingness, you ask him to confront reason and supposition. You don't give him the hard rock-bound object, you know? And he gets along all right. You can write too brutally on the subject evidently.

Scientology - I've never known anybody to do anything with Dianetics and Scientology or any book thereof, but after reading in one, to feel better, even though they were sometimes worried, or something of the sort. And I have had instances of people just reading the first article and stepping out of a hospital bed, and so forth.

So this is not true of „Excalibur“ and „Excalibur“ comes under the heading of a dangerous weapon.

Male voice: Would it still be dangerous for a Scientologist to read it?

Oh no, no. Matter of fact from that aspect I wouldn't publish it for another reason and that is that a modern Scientologist would laugh at it. It's the only book, too, by the way, that contains any nomenclature straight off my case. Many of the descriptive words in it are straight out of my own engrams. I'd had no auditing at the time; I'd had no broad look at the track, or anything of the sort; and I just picked up the handiest stuck phrase on the bank. Right.

Okay. Well, now, are you doing at all well, do you think?

Audience: Yes. Yes.

Is there any hope at all?

Audience: Yes. There is some.

Is there anybody who has no hope at all? Now, you'd be afraid to raise your hand in this company, so go ahead and raise it if you have no hope at all - you just don't think it's anywhere from nothing. All right.

Okay.

There's a high probability in these cases that a look at them will discover them running an associated Rock of some sort. And I've already seen this mechanism of something associated with the Rock being run with great avidness, and so forth, and it simply runs up and down a bit and then it sort of knocks off. Well, there was a fault in the analysis of the case to some degree, which is of course very easy to make. Yes?

Male voice: I wanted to ask a question about that because you mentioned this in the lecture, that after you'd run the thing a while maybe the actual Rock, which was something pretty close.

Uh-huh.

Male voice:... will show up.

Yeah.

Male voice: Now, this seems to have been the case here. You know, you assigned a space jockey...

Mm-hm.

Male voice: ... only this sort of - well, it ran and things happened and then it flattened out. And so Saturday I got a - I got a little bit better look at this and decided it wasn't the jockey itself it was the ship. And this stuck, incidentally. We were just.

Yeah?

Male voice:... running around.

Yeah.

Male voice: Now, what would you do in a case like that? Would you discontinue running the command and let the...

Jockey didn't stick anymore and ship did? You've got to shift - that's all there is to that. We'll have to go into this a little bit further...

Remember something. We are talking about a chain which begins with basic-basic, goes up through engrams, secondaries and lock chains. It's a wholly totally identified mess - you understand - and trying to find one's way through this requires you to know certain laws concerning Dianetics and that was: When it doesn't erase you went earlier. Remember that? Hm?

Male voice: Right.

You can't do anything else with the Rock than this and you're more or less being held on this, as auditors, to stick to it, which is a little bit of a criticism of you. People are afraid you'll bolt, you know, and use the look-around as just a method of bolting. So once you have audited out and have stuck to a Rock for a while, which had as a subsidiary Rock...

I gave you an example of it this morning. You find arm. Arm sticks. Doesn't seem to have any sense. It doesn't select out one way or the other. Next thing you know we're really talking about an arm - meaning a weapon. Now, that is the arm that's stuck, and a plain arm just goes through hell while that is being broken out and then continues to have somatics on it as the rest of it is run. But the arm itself would probably not resolve if it was a human arm that we were auditing. You got the idea? Now, you just picked the wrong chain, that's all. The right chain was a gun! And yet at first it'll be armor, swords, spears, you know? All kinds of things will stick equally with this. As it differentiates, somewhere there's a main chain. Somewhere there's a main chain; you'll find the other chains will fall off of it.

Now, there's something I said I'd give you in the lecture and I didn't give you, and that's how to prove one up. Is you merely add - I've mentioned it many times - that you add to it and subtract from it. Well, now, when some synonym for which you are running adds to it, that isn't it. The thing itself will go on sticking, but other things associated with it will add to it and subtract from it, you see? So if something starts to become subtractive and if something starts to become additive, and some close synonym to this is the better one, why, that's the one that should be run.

But there's another error. You can come off of the main Rock and start running some associated Rock which doesn't stick as well and just gum the case up gorgeously. You get both of them? Now, one of the rules is that all those things which are late have less validity than those things that are early; and you find yourself running anything late, like the Catholic church for the love of Pete, let's go south! See? Otherwise it'll hang up. Got it? You find yourself running items which all of a sudden run into machines. I'll give you a clue. Run the machine out and then come back and find out about the item. You got the idea?

Female voice: Yeah.

So part of your running should consist of occasional testing, occasional scouting and occasional lookovers to redefine this thing and to find that part of it that sticks best, and then you run that segment of it. You understand? As you run it you're getting rid of generalizations and associated things. You got it? So theoretically you can move over center to one that just sticks with deadly glue. And that was what you should have been running all the time, but the devil himself couldn't have piloted his way into it. You got it? Now you can move over as long as it's earlier and sticks better.

Yes?

Male voice: How about going from factories to consumers and vice versa?

Yep.

Male voice: That's legit too?

Yes. That's all a part of it. You shift over from a consumer to a producer, from a producer to a consumer, you can shift back and forth. The rule is simply: what sticks best now. You understand?

Male voice: Right.

It's what sticks best now.

Male voice: You're going to have to have something with a free needle, though, to make that check. Right?

No. Not necessarily. Your needle is going to get wobbly on one part of it. Just do another little scout on it, see, remembering vividly what you were running, because you might not find anything else and then you'd just better come back to what you were running. You get the idea?