This is December 2nd, second hour, afternoon. The first hour there covered this matter of locks, secondaries, and engrams. Just want to repeat here.

I want to talk to you. Here today is December the second, I believe, in the afternoon. I want to talk to you about locks, secondaries, engrams, how to handle. Now isn’t that old? I mean that… that… that’s… that’s really antique isn’t it? That’s just terrible to think of going over these things again. Uh… just… just how grim it is.

It’s a gradient scale, then, of ability to handle space, energy, and objects, a gradient scale thereof. You’ll find out there are some cases who have finally come down to the point where they think they can handle very well the space, energy, and objects appertaining to being a Homo sapiens in one lifetime. They think that’s the case. They become what you have seen occasionally as the wide open case.

But we have to know something about this because… just because we’re doing something else with these is no reason they’ve ceased to exist suddenly.

They record everything beautifully, they will run things beautifully on one lifetime. Don’t let this wide open case, however, open up or try to get him to open up any wider on existence – because they won’t, very easily. They do it very badly.

Now you see there’s always two sides to a problem. One of the sides has to do… one of the sides has to do with the entity, the… the gimmick, the uh… object and so forth; and the other side has to do with how you handle it, or what it does, or what its purpose is. Well, we divide, we can divide uh… into, a… that’s a completely false division by the way but it’s a good analagous division, and we can divide the field of medicine into two halves. We can say there’s structure, and there’s function and where the field of medicine got off was in failing to say that there would be two halves and differentiating so that they hit the structure all the time - structure, structure, structure.

Your occluded case quite often is somebody who is trying to handle his whole track. Your high power occluded case is somebody who’s trying to handle the whole track. He’s… he’s trying to handle the whole universe and of course it’s all occluded. And he… he realizes he can’t handle it. And at the same time, he’s bound and determined he is going to handle it. And… uh… he kn… he knows he can’t occupy any point of space, but he’s going to occupy those points of space anyhow. And he’s unwilling to let go of the points of space he’s been in because they might be valuable. And… uh… so he won’t occupy the point of space where he is because that’s dangerous too, but it’s still valuable, but it’s not as valuable as occupying some other points of space he knows about. And he isn’t going to give up anything.

Chap listened to a series of lectures up in Kansas City, a doctor. He came around one day and uh… he listened to this series and he said, „For twenty years,“ he says, „I’ve been studying structure. And I have worked from the standpoint of structure.“ And he says, „Now I’ve listened to you for three days and I have to throw this overboard.“ He says, „I want you to know that this is no small sacrifice on my part.“

You’re… you’re not going to find him handing up and saying, „I just live one life.“ Um-um. No sir, he’s gonna handle the whole track. Now, he gets… he gets kinda squirrelly on this every once in a while. He’ll - he’s so bound and determined he’s gonna handle a larger portion of the universe that he thinks the larger portion of the universe is interested sometimes in handling him. And you get a computing psychotic. He’s… who’ll tell you… who’ll tell you, „Well, my brain has just been wired by Western Union and… uh… so that the US Government can read my mind. And everything I think it goes on a tape recorder in Washington and they investigate this very thoroughly and I’m trying not to think of the secret that I know, because if I think of that, then they will have me,“ or something of the sort. Really squirrelly.

‘Cause function monitors structure and actually function in the level we’re now studying can at any moment become structure. And by having a function, you can at will obtain or procure or remodel or destroy a structure. So the structure from being part of this dichotomy - oh that’s a beautiful word. I picked it out of the dictionary, it has something to do with flowers or something and it didn’t mean anything else that anybody could get confused with. It’s just a lovely word. And I… I like to get a few of these words around so the professional auditors can stun people. So you can say learnedly, „Oh, uh… the de… dichotomy“ and the poor fellow will say, „The what?“ „Well, that’s a technical term.“

But that’s the reductio ad absurdum of just that… just that, and it is quite absurd.

Now when we have, where we treat these two things as data of comparable magnitude, we make a mistake. And that’s a very common mistake. And it’s a mistake so common that we’ve been making it for a couple of years. We have treated structure as comparable with function. That was because we didn’t know enough about function. Now true enough, that which we did know about function, the strata that we did know about function was comparable to structure. What we knew about structure and what we knew about function did form this dichotomy.

But these boys, you’ll see… a lot of ‘em, and they’re actually not as… as bad off as far as responsibility is concerned. They will handle and try and tackle much more responsibility than a wide open case will, BUT they’re trying to tackle it on a big sphere, no little sphere for them.

Now actually, however, we’ve moved upstairs now being… being how we don’t have structure to match up with what we now know about function. So structure stayed over here, this little tiny thing, this microscopic thing called the MEST universe and we’ve moved up into this bracket of function. So we don’t any longer have those two things. I… I… I want to make that clear right at the beginning here to show you the shift of importance on locks, secondaries, and engrams because although those are functional in their activity, they are themselves structure. They are structure.

Your wide open case is being perfectly content to handle just exactly this. They’re in a very close agreement on MEST and their agreement that they are there, they’re there where they’ve been placed and that they have recorded things just in this fashion and that those things are in this order and it’s very easy to upset one of those cases. But they’re quite easy to theta clear and bring on around to a wider point. They’re quite easy because you can undo the track of agreement with them fairly smoothly.

And when we’ve moved up far enough here in the field of function, we can handle these things like a Mississippi riverboat pilot used to be able to handle a deck of cards and a derringer. There’s nothing to it. Uh… you sort of slide them around to the back side and flip them over and take a look at the front and deal all the hands out and everybody picks up their hands and they’ve all got full houses, but you’ve got four aces. I mean this sort of thing.

Uh… these cases appear to be quite, quite dissimilar. Actually they’re… it’s a problem of spheres of action between these two cases. Your wide open case’s sphere of action you will find is a very small sphere of action and… your occluded case is trying to make a much larger sphere of action. Actually, your wide open case gets in considerable trouble because their sphere of action is not this small center. Your occluded case also gets into trouble because their sphere of action is not the sphere of action that they can handle at that moment in that condition. So what do you find? You find theta overreaching itself. It’s always trying to overreach itself. It’s always biting off more than it can facsimilacate.

Now, when you know enough about function, you can start ignoring structure, but boy, don’t start ignoring structure till you know about its function. Your engineer has this as an integral part of his thinking. Uh… when he knows enough about structure to make one at will, why he’s very happy about it and he gets rather careless about it. He knows the stress of importance on it. But uh… up to that point, he’s very, very careful that when he puts the railroad train through the mountain that it goes through a tunnel. He gets structural, he puts a… a structural hole in the mountain for the train to go through.

And when… when you… get a confusion in a preclear, you don’t have to care too much about the minor structural mechanics of it. These all handle on the same thing. They handle in terms of space and energy and objects. And you just enter into the case, you just… you just know where he falls on the scale… uh… on the theta clearing scale. And you just pick it up at that level and go on from there.

And it has been known to happen that trains which did not have holes and tracks to travel on, became remarkably second hand in a very short space of time. And so it is when you wouldn’t know enough about structure to know completely that structure was makeable, creatable, and destructable by function. But you’d have to know an awful lot about function over here, wouldn’t you? Tremendous amount.

You don’t care whether this fellow’s occluded, you don’t care whether he’s wide open. You don’t care anything about that at all. Because the reason he’s occluded and the reason he’s wide open has to do with how much responsibility he is trying to take and how much of that responsibility he is taking. And it’s a ratio.

Now, it is no criticism of the field of medicine that it had to stress so heavily the whole idea of structure. Why did they think that surgery is the only cure for an ulcer, whereas their records tell them that surgery is not a cure for an ulcer? You operate on a fellow once, maybe he’s all right for a while, you operate on him again, maybe he is all right for a while longer, you operate on him again and he dies under the knife. I mean it’s just uh… one of these things.

And when this ratio is bad, he’s trying to take… uh… let’s say 10,000 units of responsibility and at the moment he… his state and environment is in this condition whereby he could only take 500 units of responsibility, you’ll… you’ll get him… you’ll get him badly occluded. But… uh… he’d actually be badly occluded if he were capable, and he were trying to take 200 units of responsibility in terms of space, energy, objects. And… uh… this environment he was in and so forth was letting him in gently on the secret that he was only capable of taking over 10 units.

But every once in a while you get a case you operate on him for ulcers, he’s all right. He just goes right on from there. So the doctor says, „Well, okay, we got this chance and this fellow is probably going to go all to pieces and hemorrhage and so on and die anyway, so we might as well operate. He really doesn’t have any choice. It isn’t a matter of… then a condemnation, criticism, praise or anything else, it’s just let’s look at the practical aspect of it. He does what he can do within his own frame of reference, ability, and knowledge. Practically everybody you know is doing just that.

Your wide open case maybe is taking over… believes it’s capable of taking over 500 units and is taking over 500 units. You see this… this society is rigged so that it’s quite agreeable, if a person has agreed that I am one person in one lifetime and I am living this and my name is Jones and there I am and… uh… they’re so and so, and that’s all my full responsibility on the matter at the time of life where I am. And his environment tells him, „You are capable of taking over the responsibility of being Jones in one lifetime.“ It’s all very nice. It’s all very sweet. He’s nuts of course, but… uh… uh… he is not occluded, which is important.

Now, it is a very very bad thing for me actually to choose out for randomity uh… various fields and so forth, but it’s fun. And it’s… it’s completely uh… on my part I can get quite serious about this, get very serious about this. And the more serious I get about it, the less happens. That’s odd, isn’t it? That’s two things would be comparable there.

Uh… but… uh… well, you know, you have a harder struggle sometimes with the wide open than you have with the occluded case. Sometimes it works the other way around. You want to get this kind of a balance. You want to get as much responsibility digested as the person believes he can digest. If he thinks he has an enormously wide responsibility, well, you just better move him up in terms of responsibility.

Now, the funny part of it is, is the less serious one gets, the more he can do with. Here’s this fellow, he goes into the cage; here’s a man-eating tiger. He knows this is a man-eating tiger. It doesn’t necessarily… It isn’t necessarily a man-eating tiger - he just KNOWS it’s a man-eating tiger. And there sits this man-eating tiger, and he’s supposed to train this man-eating tiger. All right, he knows that tiger is a man-eating tiger so he gets eaten up. It’s very simple.

There’s only one thing wrong with that, is he’s hungry. He’s hungry and he… he’s every time you restore to him the ability to handle… handle another 10 units of responsibility, he… he bites another 200. And as such the auditor’s sort of racing with this and he… he sees… he sees this strange thing sometimes: his preclear’s evidently increasing in tone but he’s just as thoroughly occluded and loused up as before. And he keeps watching this and watching this.

Uh… you’d… I’d had a type of ignition switch went on a little racing car. It was very interesting. It was a secret switch. The thing had no ignition key at all, and to keep somebody from fooling around with it and so on, we put a secret switch under its panel. You had to throw this switch and the front switch on it was just a dummy. Well, now because we had called that a secret switch, it, of course, became a secret. And it was badly wired so that no current was getting through to the distributor and the ignition system after it was installed. So you would turn on the front switch and you, of course, turn on the secret switch because you knew about that, the car wouldn’t start.

Now it isn’t the time to tell this preclear, „Now look, we have decided that you need a rest and uh… I think you’d better take a vacation or something of this sort and… and don’t worry about all these big affairs that you’re trying to worry about now, and just let that sort of thing go and just take it easy… and…“ You’re going to ruin him. ‘Cause that’s one of the steps that is taken as one of the control operations that is used on a person to get him into the automaticity schedule. It’s telling him, „You can’t stand up to this, fella.“ That’s what it’s saying.

So you went around, of course, and took the distributor apart, took the spark plugs out, took the valves out and took the bearings out and took the gas tank off and took the drive shaft out and took the fan off to find out why this car wouldn’t start. Well, we put all these things back in again and tried to start the car again and it still wouldn’t start. And they gave up, they gave up, the mechanics working on it. And they brought the car back and put it down in the driveway and tried to tell me that it would start now. And I went out and it wouldn’t start. They towed it over. And uh… it wouldn’t start.

It said, „You’ve taken over just this much responsibility and you can’t stand up to that.“ So it’s reducing him down the scale.

And I went over this and I said, „Let’s see what have we done to this car since the last time it did start? Oh, we put in a secret switch.“ And I reached under the panel to see if the secret switch… and the thing bit me. You know, I mean good, solid short here - you know zziinngg! And so I reached back in there and tore out the wiring just wham, you see. And wound it together and just let it hang there for a moment. Turned on the switch and the car started. I thought for heaven’s sakes, this is very, very peculiar. There was nothing wrong with this car.

You just try to track along behind, as the auditor, and just let him, let his capability catch up to his desire to do so. And in creative processing… in creative processing, we have the happy thing that we are aiming toward doing what he is trying to do. See, we’re going in directly so that catch-up is easier.

Of course, by this time, the car was completely out of adjustment Uh… the carburetors were out, the spark plugs were out, the distributor was off set, the timer was off, oh, the timing chain was all slack. Well, this wasn’t because I was bright. It was because I hadn’t carefully installed the secret switch in it. See, I hadn’t done that to the car, but they had installed a secret switch and so thereafter, it had had to, of course, remain secret. That was the purpose of the switch. And uh… nobody else, then, could start the car so of course, the car… the purpose of it was to fix it so the car wouldn’t start. And so they did just that. This is a very true example. It sounds completely idiotic. But… that took three weeks of work for a bunch of mechanics in a garage.

If you were to keep addressing that catch-up to the material universe, it would practically never… you’d never catch up with it. He’d just go wider, and wider, and wider and take in more and more responsibility and more and more space, and try to digest more and more space. And you’d let him digest 10 more units and he wants to take 200 more and you just keep going on this ratio until you’ve practically eaten up the whole MEST universe.

Now, there, they postulated something about structure in the MEST universe according to the most completely understandable terms, they postulated something about this structure. And they said this structure works this way. And of course, they… they made a good postulate about it. They said this is a switch which is not going to let the car be started; it’s going to let the car uh… be safe and then of course, because it’s secret, they couldn’t even investigate to find out whether or not the switch was well connected. Well, this… this is a long drawn-out affair. But what do you know that… that’s a part and parcel of every piece of research anybody does. He starts investigating structure and he says this structure does so - and - so observably, observably does this. Sure enough it does; you can go on and pick people off the street and so on and you can take them one after another and examine them all. And then… then - structure’s doing just that all the time.

Now, maybe you could get there this way and it’s very possible that you could, but fortunately it isn’t necessary because this person is operating under a delusion. He has never differentiated one single, interesting point. And that is the MEST universe is not his own universe. And he believes that his universe and the MEST universe are identical.

Fine, now let’s take that serious, let’s take that real serious and let’s work with what their doing and undo it underneath and below the level of the postulate which does it. Oh, we can have a good time. We find everybody out there walking up and down the street has made an agreement on experience, that experience is a good thing and you have to hide some experience and some of it has to become automatic. And how do they do that? Engrams, secondaries, and locks - it’s a system. Everything becomes automatic, it works this way and that way. They’ve got… got all kinds of… of engrams which have to operate against them that they mustn’t know anything about. And although this whole system is just as haywire as anything could be, it’s as haywire as a Chinese idea of car repair, uh… they get the thing overworked all the time. They install it at one tone level and then they sink down the tone scale and they start using it at another tone level and of course this thing becomes the master. That thing begins to master. Then they have an awful time. Then they don’t know what… what… what is happening here and what’s the system they’re operating on. They’ve made something over here automatic they didn’t want to know about this, this is supposed to work over here in some peculiar fashion. And then once upon a time they knew all about that.

His own home universe, you might say, using an allegory here, became devoured so fast at a… such a… an impact of shock to him that when he next looked around, he thought he was still in his own universe, but it had changed. And he’s still under the basic postulate that he’s running his own universe. He’s still caught in that postulate. And so he’s… can start anybody doing anything, but he can’t change them in doing it after they’ve started and he can’t stop them after they’ve started. And this is completely flabbergasting to him. This is incredible.

They… they walked in and they put their hand on a hot stove and it burned and they looked at their hand, and their hand was damaged. And they said, „You know, I will have to do something so the next time I come near a hot stove, I will remember I burned my hand because I’m liable to forget that.“ „Well, all right, we will pretend then that we have forgotten that but any time my hand comes near a hot stove, I will jerk it back from that hot stove.“ Automaticity, you see.

Now in his own universe, he would start something… he’d create something, start it in motion, change it, let it dwindle down a spiral maybe and then destroy it. That was his power. And he all of a sudden finds himself obviously in his own universe, obvious. And he starts something and then he follows through the next step kind of doggedly. And he says, „Now,“ he says, „We’ll change it.“ Oh no. Inertia and things like that set in.

We’re going to get near something, it has a certain stimulus and we’re going to respond in a certain way. And we want that as fast as possible so - and this is the error, this is a big error. So we’ll make it automatic.

He’s… like a cannonball. He fires the cannonball and he decides when it’s halfway in its flight it shouldn’t land. So he says, „All right. The cannonball will now go twenty feet to the left and miss the target.“ And that damn cannonball goes right straight on through and it hits the target. BOOM! Or he fires the cannonball; finds out that his aim was wrong.

Well, now to make something automatic, you hide it from yourself. Now, you find this fellow way up the track a few million years, billion years, trillion years later. What’s he doing? He’s walking around in an utter fog, he’s in a body, he doesn’t know how he got there and so on. And you say, „Hey.“ It would be very simple if you could do this. You just say, „Do you remember the time you wanted something to be automatic“ „Yah.“

Did you ever see anybody firing on a range? If you’re watching an expert rifleman on a range and he realizes that the instant that he pulled that trigger was 6 o’clock, number three ring, he tries to lift that bullet. You can watch him just lift that bullet up into the target. He’s trying to lift the bullet into the target because he knows he was low when he fired the trigger.

„All right, do you remember an earlier time when you wanted something to be automatic?“

Did you ever watch anybody driving a car? And they realize that the car’s going just a little bit wrong or something of the sort? They try to take the steering wheel of the car and move the car over and make it go right. And MEST hands can’t do that.

„How do you mean automatic?“

So that’s very disgusting. It’s upsetting. You start some action and then the action goes off and then all of a sudden isn’t going in the direction that you intended it to go, so you reach out with everything you’ve got and try to right that action and change it into a better course, and it doesn’t change. And that we call failure. And that is the anatomy of failure.

„Well, it’s something that would operate by itself and do something for you.“

The inability to handle that which has been started, or which one has started after that course of action is entered. Inability to handle it after that course of action has been entered.

„Oh, yes, yes. Got an earlier time, got an earlier time, got an earlier time.“

What happens in a family? The guy has a little child, little child, nice… nice kid, baby, so on. And he says, „Gonna be president.“ What do you know? Turns out to be a subway conductor. Yeah, that’s just no good. That just obviously can’t happen in his universe and it’s obviously his universe.

Bing! There goes his engram bank, ‘cause it’s held by this little tiny functional thing that says: „Let’s make it automatic, so we’re safe.“ You see how that would be?

We know it’s his universe. He knows it’s his universe. Why, sure. He is himself, and all these other people around are people he obviously has made. And if you went around and put people on the E-Meter and you asked them, „Did you… did you make everybody that you’ve seen?“ and so on and so… Look at you sort of strangely and he gets the strangest feeling, „Yah, I… I did. I… hmm… No, I know I didn’t. But they don’t do what you tell them to do.“ And now you get this little ghost coming in, see?

Now I’ll go over that again in just slightly different terms so that you can see what these locks, secondaries and engrams are. We know what they are in terms of structure - they’re old energy with pictures on them, which when restimulated have the power to enforce pain and command upon the body.

Everybody in this universe is trying to act as though he made it. And he didn’t make this universe, he just kinda helped add to it. And he adds to it all the time by perceiving it. And he agrees to it all the time by perceiving it. And so he’s never crossed that bridge. He’s… he’s never suddenly said, „I had a universe once which I monitored completely and this universe, somehow or other got left, and I found myself in a universe which I WASN’T monitoring.“ And he’s never crossed that bridge.

We… we know… we know there… that. We’ve examined that anatomy. We found these things sitting here as a heavy engram. It’d be in the prenatal bank, or it’s an electronic incident or it’s anyone of these dozen of things, many of them in controversy. Many of them not in controversy. Uh… we know that big bank sitting there and it’s got these secondaries that’s emotional charge, incidents, and then it’s got all little locks and so on. Boy, you start undoing one of those things – zing zang the other way. And you find it all wound up and tangled up and you find the preclear going down the street. And he sees a fire plug, and uh… every time he sees a fire plug, why, he uh… sort of stiffens, and tenses and… you say, „What’s… what’s making you stiff and tense?“

Well, you don’t have to tell him really, or convince him that he has to cross that bridge. All you have to do is take him and show him that he has a universe. It’s just as simple as that.

„Why, nothing, must be the streetcars.“ Well, you… you put him on an E-Meter… you put him on an E-Meter and find out that it was fire plugs. And he doesn’t even know this, see. He’s that bad off. He… he sees a fire plug. It makes him tense and he doesn’t even know that it’s the fire plug which he sees that makes him tense. But he knows something is making him tense. He’s not that far gone. He knows it’s streetcars. Only he doesn’t know it’s streetcars. If he could know completely it was streetcars, he wouldn’t anymore get tense. If he would just say to himself, „Well, it’s streetcars,“ he wouldn’t be tense anymore about fire plugs. Now that’s… see, if he can KNOW that it was streetcars, what he’s done is make a new postulate. He says, „Streetcars make me tense. Now that I know that streetcars make me tense, they’re not going to make me tense anymore.“ He… he could play this quote „trick“ on himself unless he has to agree too heavily with the MEST universe.

You say, „All right. Now, mock up this, now mock up that, now let’s have a little bit of that. All right, now let’s take a cube of space.“

All right, now what is this system then he’s set up? Well, it’s a system which starts in with an agreement. And one agrees more and more heavily and more and more heavily and the first thing you know, he is convinced of the solidity and existence of the structure which he himself constructed.

He says, „What?“

Let’s look at that in another bracket. Let’s look at that in the field of hypnotism. Here is, here’s real phenomena, here’s something you can go and investigate. If you want to investigate this, go get yourself a little book Now to Hypnotize Somebody in Five Easy Lessons or something of this sort, as it’s very easy to do. Set up a candle in front of them, tell them to stare at the candle. There’s a certain percentage of people that hypnotize just like that. And a certain percentage of them are running so hard that anytime you say, „Go into a hypnotic trance,“ they run madly the opposite direction. They’ll hypnotize in opposites. There’s awfully interesting business, hypnotism.

„Well, just take some space in the room and saw out a little cube and…“

All right, uh… all you’re asking him to do is concentrate a sense channel on something, a communication line on something and then fix it there. Well, he agreed to do that the second he puts his eyes on the candle. Now your trick is to make him agree to something else. There’s nothing every very weird about hypnotism. It is the easiest thing in the world. I… it… now you got… got… got his eye on the candle. „All right, now you stare at the candle, stare at the candle. Now uh… you know that concentration of that sort can make you for… sort of sleepy and so on. You stare at the candle until you feel that.“ And he’ll say, „All right.“ See he’s agreed that concentration on that can make him sleep.

„I can’t do that.“ It’s the darndest inability and he… he’s suddenly shocked. He finds out that he has a lot of inabilities.

All right, uh… you got that one. Now, uh… let’s go in a sort of a, of… uh… let’s look at this candle a little… a little closer and now let’s feel… let’s feel the… the… the body becoming more and more relaxed. And, he agrees to feel that the body is becoming more and more relaxed. That’s all there is to that. He… he just agrees little by little, the next thing you know the hypnotist says, „Now your eyes will close.“ And his eyes go bonk. Of course, he agreed to that.

It’s quite shocking for a person the moment they find out in creative processing that they have some inability along the line of creative processing. ‘Cause they’ve just… have gone on grandly assuming that the MEST universe is that ability and it keeps on running. So obviously, they’re kind of doing it all the time and they just never added this up into the terms of „I have to go ahead and monitor my environment if I’m going to have any kind of a universe or if I’m going to do anything with a universe.“

Now, the hypnotist says, „Now your right hand will rise.“ And with some slight amazement, this fellow watches his right hand come up.

So you give him mock-ups and you let them reassume the ability to create and control their own universe. When you do that they get right back in to what they were doing at the time when they got blown out of their orbit. And you redevelop this facility and they all of a sudden can see, „Well, there’s nothing wrong with my mind! There’s nothing wrong with my ability! I can handle this body! I can handle these things! Well, for heaven’s sakes! All this time I just thought I’d just lost my punch!“

And he says, „Wooo, I’m hypnotized.“ So he just gives it up then, and the hypnotist now says, „Now you see that kangaroo on your right knee?“

Here are all those dogs that run down the street. I… I… they run down the street and they start barking and you… you… you say, „Don’t bark. And they go right on barking. So obviously I lost my… my touch. I mean I’m not controlling my own universe anymore.“ And they’ve never realized that it’s a different universe.

„Yes.“ He sees the kangaroo on his right knee. Now take it on your right knee.

Now, that perhaps… perhaps would sound strange to you when you… when you first run into this fact but it happens to be… uh… a… a very interesting and very simple proof of it. Uh… Mock-up processing works. That’s the easiest proof I know.

“Now let’s see it jump over to the left knee. Now you got that? All right, now let’s put… let’s put a… uh… a bonnet on this kangaroo. Got the bonnet on it? Now have the kangaroo sing a song.“ And the hypnotized person is very happy to sit there and watch this.

Yeah, you can start doing this stuff and… and if you do it according to the way you’re supposed to do it and so on and all of a sudden the fellow is better and better. And somatics turn off and everything goes along fine and he gets up the tone scale and gets better and a little better and his disabilities all of a sudden decrease. And he gets bigger and bigger and more ambitious and he’s saying at first, „To hell with this MEST universe. Don’t want anything to do with the thing again,“ and then he’ll say, „Well, hell, it’s just another universe. Uh… let’s see. What do you do with universes? Well, just saw a chunk off the left hand corner and reverse it just for the hell of it this afternoon.“ And… uh… it just… uh… there… it’s nothing to it.

The trouble is he’s seeing it; he’s seeing it completely. This is frightening to people that this can happen to them. Well, that’s just a nice MEST universe trick, that it could be frightening to them. And it’s very weird that they think they have to go along through all this mumbo-jumbo and ritual of hypnotism and be in a state of sound asleep and be out of control of themselves and can only see this when they’re taking orders from a hypnotist. That’s the silliest thing in the world.

But let’s enter this in another’s… from another little gateway. There are many ways. Is the MEST universe an illusion? Yeah, that’s an interesting question. Is it an illusion? A lot of people have dashed around saying, „It’s all illusion. There is no such thing as matter.“ All you had to do was think right thoughts and you think right thoughts, why, you don’t think left thoughts and… uh… uh… it’ll all… it’ll all wind up someplace else in the end and it belongs to somebody else. And, they’ve said this but there wasn’t any good remedy for it. And uh… they’ve said this a lot of times and… uh… never backed it up.

I mean, here we’ve got a long chain of laws and agreements and what do you know. They operate on more people out here. And they’re there as agreements - that if you agree to this, then you’ll get that. And if you agree to that, and you agree to that and agree to that, the next thing you know the fellow is unaware of his surroundings. A hypnotized person can see a whole room on fire and uh… he can. He can hear the flames crackle and everything else. He’s just in wonderful shape on the thing. You see he doesn’t have to take responsibility for it. He can do it all the time and the whole trick is, is he’s saying, „Now look, that hypnotist can be responsible for my really seeing this and building universe around here, and it’s up to him to get me out of it again, and so forth, and so I’ll just make him responsible and therefore I’ll be able to handle illusions.“

Well, let’s… let’s back it up a little bit. Let’s take a look at this. Let’s find out first what’s an illusion. An illusion is something somebody made. Very technically, let’s make an illusion that which the preclear makes. Let’s just use that as a narrowed down word. And let’s call a delusion something somebody else made. Let’s just categorize that handily.

That’s one of the reasons people respond better to being audited than auditing themselves. They don’t audit themselves, they just, well they kinda dodge around because they’re asking themselves to take full responsibility for everything they do. Well, it’s much better to have an auditor there and say, „Well it’s what he’s doing. I’m not doing it. Another fellow can do it with great ease.“ In other words that having an auditor is a gradient scale on automaticity which is also the scale of responsibility.

Now… a delusion could also be something the preclear has made that he has also said somebody else made. He… he made it and then he said somebody else made it. You can call that also a delusion. But… let’s not worry too much about that ‘cause that comes under the heading of automaticity so let’s just narrow this definition down to this: an illusion is something the preclear makes and a delusion is something somebody else makes. Now let’s… let’s go from there.

One wants things to be automatic for which he does not want to be responsible. Now, we find nearly all Homo sapiens audit far far better than they will self-audit. It’s almost dangerous to start them in self- auditing ‘cause they’re not going to take responsibility for doing a good job of it. Then another thing is… is when they self-audit, they have to set up to some slight degree, a circuit auditing themselves or themselves auditing a circuit. And it becomes a little more complicated and… uh… it isn’t so good. So about the best point you can pick Homo sapiens up on the gradient scale and so forth, uh… the best point you can pick him up is a doggone good auditor. Now… that… that right away he’s able then to shove enough experience over.

We know that other person doesn’t have to know it’s an illusion or delusion or anything of the sort.

Now because the auditor isn’t interested in putting this person to sleep this auditor is interested in waking him up, you get a completely reversed idea from hypnotism. You take this preclear, let’s take the preclear here and the hypnotizable subject here. Neither one are hypnotized or… or they’re just in, like they walked down the street. All right here are these two people, they’re in the same state of wakefulness. Now the person who is agreeing to be hypnotized goes down from this state of self-determinism and awareness to the direct degree that he is worked by a hypnotist. Now let’s take the preclear over here. Now the auditor is trying to return to this fellow some self- determinism and ability on his own so he takes off at this level. He makes an agreement that he will try to do the things for his own good that the auditor wants him to do. That’s his first agreement. He is agreeing to be self-determined.

All right. Let’s take another test. Take a good test. Let’s take perception. One of the things your preclear is worried about above all other things and that you as an auditor will worry about above all other things is perception. We’ll have to cover this just dry ad nauseam: perception. But how do you make that wall get greener to you all of a sudden and so forth? Now… how… how do you… how do you step these perceptions up? Hmm.

Now he agrees a little bit more that he can be a little bit more self-determined and he agrees that he can be just a little bit more self-determined and what do you know. He gets more and more alert, and more and more awake and more and more awake and more and more awake and more and more awake. Now you see that… the going opposite directions from the average Homo sapiens with these two processes.

Well, you know that you can process out an awful lot of engrams about seeing color with­out making that wall get one bit brighter. You can agree with this MEST universe and agree with it and agree with it and agree with it and agree with it and it doesn’t get any plainer. In fact you can agree with it and agree with it until it gets thinner and less distinct and you become less active and you become more and more lethargic and sort of like a stone or a piece of mud. You get more and more MEST the more you agree with it. The more you agree with it the more MEST you get to be.

The hypnotist is only interested in one thing, really. The hypnotist is interested in taking the control of this individual. If you ever want to process somebody and have a bad time of it, get a hypnotist - a fellow who is a professional hypnotist - and start processing him. And a large percentage of these boys are practically crawling the walls.

Well, is that true? Yeah, let’s look around at preclears and let’s test them for terms of agreement with the MEST universe. By doing what? By taking a basic, simple, natural law and let’s put preclears on the tone scale, let’s spot them accurately on the tone scale, and we’ll find out that their degree of delusion and aberration and so on, we find out their ability or inability to control themselves and just… just measure this, pretty accurately. And then… then let’s get them to mock up something and make it disobey a natural law. Let’s make them mock up a billiard ball and fall and hit the ceiling.

I’ve had them come around and say, „Please, Ron, do something for me, I’m just hung.“ And you say, „Well, all right… let’s pick up the last person you hypnotized. Okay, get shoving your control center sort of thing over the top of him, now pull it back, now give it to him again, now pull it back, now give it to him again, now pull it back.“ And the fellow all of a sudden gets the feeling that he gets when he hypnotizes people. He’ll take over control of somebody by simply sort of moving himself all over the top of this person and after that monitoring him. And what do you know - that was twenty years ago and this person is now in Istanbul and this hypnotist still has a ghostly feeling that he’s still controlling the motions and thoughts of that person. And by the time this poor hypnotist has hypnotized five or six thousand people or something in some profession, he is all in a spin on two things. One, control of others - it’s an overt act and… two, he’s all fouled up on spacation.

No… no. They know about gravity. And this character will just sit there and he’ll take that billiard ball and he’ll try to make it lift. And if he gets it up a little bit, it’ll drop hack again suddenly, and he’ll have the awfullest time. But he has a bad time trying to make the billiard ball fall upwards in the exact degree that he’s aberrated.

He has lost his own location, he’s put his control of beings over the top of so many beings and they are now in so many places, he has done a sort of a valence shift into them so many times, and they are now so far away that he thinks he’s scattered all over God’s creation, he is no longer in control of himself anymore and so he gets to a point where he is crawling the walls. Furthermore, he has made people agree and agree and agree and agree to this and in order to make them agree to this, he had to agree to make them agree to that. And so he’s gone down scale little by little by little by little. He’s been agreeing himself ‘til he gets the idea that he walk out on the street anything will hypnotize him. Oh, he… he’s in terrible shape.

You could plot the gradient scale of trying to make a billiard ball leap off the floor and hit the ceiling and the amount of aberration in terms of engrams and secondaries, and so forth that he has, and behavior and ability to control, and reaction time, and register on the E-Meter. You just take this curve after curve after curve and we fit that one in with it, and we find out that this individual can’t mock things up and make them disobey what he calls natural law and which he does not differentiate as this: natural law of the physical universe. He is… in a state of complete obedience to the MEST universe.

It’s just like a salesman; there’s nobody under God’s green earth easier to sell something to than a salesman. He’s agreed so often on the fact that things can be sold to people that… that he’s agreed that this is possible.

Now, your hypnotized subject becomes in a state of complete obedience to the hypnotist. Let’s consider the MEST universe a hypnotist, and let’s consider this preclear a subject and find out that the subject is as deluded as the hypnotist wants him to be. And so we have… over here then a direct application of this. And we find out the degree of agreement with natural law is also the degree of aberration of the preclear. Fascinating, isn’t it?

And you come along and you say, „Now you see this old dead rat? It’s only two weeks old and what do you know, the price is only 85 dollars,“ and so on. And he’ll look at you sort of helplessly and bite. Now the trouble is, people haven’t realized that too much about salesman and so they’re still alive and they still can function. But knowing… knowing that about a salesman, it… it becomes horrible.

Now, this person’s alertness and other things like that will add up on that scale.

Another thing, a salesman is trying to give away MEST, he’s trying to give away MEST, and give away MEST and give away MEST, so that he’s disagreeing all the time. Well, this is fine, but when he fails to make a sale, he’s been unable to give away MEST. Well, by the time he’s failed to make enough sales, he doesn’t think he can give MEST away anymore and he knows that he has engrams although he pretends he doesn’t know he has engrams and a bank and so forth. So he can’t give this away either and he becomes jammed on the time track. He… he isn’t able to give away MEST.

Well, that’s… that’s very interesting because we have hypnotism which can be demonstrated as a phenomenon, and we show that the greater and greater agreement, all you do to hypnotize somebody is just make him agree… agree… agree and after that he’ll see anything. He’ll do anything, he’ll see anything. He agrees, agrees, agrees.

Now all of that… all of that is very related, extremely related. Here we have somebody who by gradient scale of agreement, we agree a little bit and then we agree a little bit more and then we agree a little bit more on some subject, why, it becomes true.

All right. Now let’s consider then that aspect. And now let’s take the next test. Is the MEST universe an illusion? Next test, very neat little test. We find out that the ability to perceive an illusion determines the ability to perceive the MEST universe. How? By doing this: this person becomes more and more and more capable of producing and perceiving illusions and perceiving their character, depth, size, and their emotional tone. And as his ability increases in the production of illusion, his ability to perceive the MEST universe increases uniformly with it.

Now automaticity comes about, we’ll have a lot more on this automaticity but… lovely word, but I mean you can count on that flooring people.

What do you know. You have to be able to see an illusion before you are able to see MEST.

Well, that’s the principle of automaticity, I would say he’s about uh… about… uh… 2.2 on the tone scale, automaticity uh… and so forth. Has a very, very uh… bad uh… compulsion toward uh… wishing tiredness on people, and uh… that demonstrates he’s about down there on the tone scale and so forth. His reactive bank is at about such and such a state of affairs, uh… he… uh… locks… he probably can’t get rid of those very easily, and so forth. He’s probably having an awful lot of trouble with MEST. I’d say his finances were in bad shape. Let’s say his finances are in bad shape. I’m an auditor. That’s what I’m interested in at the moment. Uh…

This is awfully convincing stuff. Oh boy, that’s really convincing. And when you do that, that is one of the nicest tricks you could ever do. You say, „Now, you want to know if this stuff is real? All you gotta do is stamp on it. and it’ll tell you whether or not that’s real. And that proves it’s real and that proves that Man came from mud.“

Anyway, well, all this comes out… all this comes out as uh… one of these little center pins on cases that is very easy to pull out and examine. All right, what happened to give this fellow the idea that he ought to have an engram? What happened? Well, one day he found out he’d been wrong, that’s all it took. He found astonishingly enough that he’d been wrong.

That proves anything you want to prove. But the funny part of it is… is you’ve got a MEST universe energy constructed foot hitting a MEST universe energy platform, and of course the two come together. They’ve agreed to go that way. And you perceive that they go that way.

Now, he had to make a postulate to be wrong. I mean he had to make a postulate that he was now found out to be wrong. This depended upon a postulate that there’s such a thing as rightness and wrongness of action. So he must have agreed to those things before. He had to make postulates concerning good and bad conduct, and good and bad effect, and good and bad cause before he ever got to a point where he could get an engram.

How do you perceive? Oh, that… that… that’s that… that’s just horrible. How do you perceive? Gee, this… when you… when you find out finally how you perceive, you’re going to be ashamed of yourselves. You put this wall here, see. You… you do this just pockata pockata pockata pockata pockata pockata. You pu… keep putting this wall there, see? Put the wall there. and then you reach out and you feel the wall. And you say, It’s there. See, feel?“

So gee, where did these engrams start cutting in? Well, they start cutting in way down there - about 3.5 on the tone scale, way down. A fellow doesn’t never bother with them below that. But he agrees that there’s bad cause possible and there’s bad effect possible and that good cause is desirable, and good effect is desirable. He’s agreed to that so far.

Now, you… you put a feeling called WALL out here. And then you reach out,, you… oh, pardon me. You put a feeling called WALL out here and then you put a dimension from you to WALL. And then you put a… a… a feeler out here and you touch the wall and you say, „Wall is there, and the reason the wall is there is I KNOW it is there because I see it.“

Now he’s agreed to the fact that there is such a thing as wrong conduct and right conduct. He’s agreed to that many times. And then he’s agreed to the fact of something else. He’s agreed that there is such a thing, there is such a thing as pain. He’s… he’s had to agree with that. Pain doesn’t exist, but he’s agreed to it. And boy, is he anxious to have it - that pain is precious stuff. The fellow that thought that up deserves a big leather medal.

Now that SEE is just the sight band of perception. The… the wave, photon wave length of perception which is a manufactured energy, that’s a very wonderful gimmick. A fellow can manufacture energy anyplace. He can even manufacture photons for the sun to throw out.

I’ll find him around the universe someday when we’re bailing people out and so forth and some fellow will be walking along the line. He will look more hangdog than the others and so on. That’ll be the fellow that invented pain. So we’ll just take him over and we’ll run this out of him - Standard Operating Procedure 1950. And we’ll give him a slow auditor. All right. Now, he had to agree that there was pain there, well actually he agreed to things even earlier than all this, lot of things earlier than this, but within just our frame of reference, he’s had to agree to bad and good and right and wrong and so on. And one day he’s had to agree to this fact that he monitors himself. Yeah, he’s had to agree to the fact that I tell myself what to do.

Now, let’s take a look at this wall again and we find out that we know it’s there because we can see it. Well, we have to have photons in order to see it. Well, that’s great. But you have to put a sight here in order to record the sight. Oh, I mean, when a fellow realizes he’s doing that all the time, he realizes he puts a sight over on the…

Why that’s the most wonderful one of all. That one is so apparently right in this universe that… it has an existence. Everybody on the street out there think… thinks they got that. They… they think they… they tell themselves what to do. They… they matter of fact spend a lot of time saying, „Well now, got up to the… the corner and get a cigar. All right, I’ll go up to the corner and get a cigar.“ And back and forth they go and around and around, „Now let me think, let’s see what I know about this. What do you know about this? Why, I don’t know about what I know about this, what do you know about this?“ Stream of consciousness and so on, a lot of people around there are eight or nine or twelve people holding conferences on all this.

By the way, he sometimes in the processing and so on momentarily loses the ability to do so, you see. He’s… he’s kinda fumbling for this ability and he’s unwilling to let this MEST universe ability, which is a beautiful piece of automaticity if there ever was one - just gorgeous - and he’s unwilling to be too brash about this.

They go into a big conference and the majority vote. I… I don’t know that anybody’s ever gone to the point - I suppose you could find somebody in the spinbin that has instituted parliamentary procedure amongst circuits.

But he… we’re… we’re practicing this, you know, with the preclear with mock-ups. We have him reach out, put a mock-up out here. „All right, now feel the cheerfulness coming from that mock-up.“ He does. „Now… now feel the intensity of light coming from that mock-up.“ He knows, he puts it over there and he gets it back again. He’s going through this and all of a sudden, he looks at the room. And he looks right through the wall… No!

But he had to agree… he had to agree that in order to be aware… in order to be aware he was something that couldn’t be aware, and there is the bottom of the barrel on unconsciousness. He had in order to be aware, you see, he… he’s told himself, „Let’s see now, how do I know I’m aware. I’ll have to prove that I’m aware. Well, the best way to prove that I’m aware is to have a period when I’m not aware and then if I’m not aware then I can go back, and by golly this thing of awareness is true. Yes sir, I’m aware because there I was not aware.“ Well, who was that person that was not aware. Hmm. „That couldn’t have been me because I’m in charge of me all the time so I wasn’t there. Well, that’s being not aware. Well, that means not there that means something… something else must be aware because look, I was still there. Well, let’s see, therefore when I was asleep something else was aware because I would wake up if anything happened in the vicinity or something like that. So that demonstrates that something was sitting there keeping watch or something. Well, that couldn’t have been myself but the best way to prove that I’m aware is to show that I can be not aware and then I’m sure that I’m aware.“ He’s talking about that down pat.

So he quickly puts the wall there and gets it back again and he says, „Hhh,“ and then he says, „Wait a minute. I put the wall there and I’ll get it back again. Why don’t I put a wall two feet this way from it and get it back again?“ He does! It works. So he puts the wall back where it belongs and is perfectly comfortable about it thereafter. It’s all right. It’s there when he wants it there.

This… this business of awareness is a squirrel cage. I mean it has no business in reality at all. A fellow is, that’s all. He isn’t aware, that’s just putting… putting another condition on that’s a completely unnecessary condition. He is. Now to be aware of himself, is a secondary condition. Now see, he can be aware of himself.

Now whether or not a person can be running down the street in a car and see a big brick wall standing in front of him and he perceives that brick wall and… uh… he NEGLECTS to perceive the brick wall. See, neglecting to put it there, it would be merely occluding it. It’s there. You’ve agreed with a lot of other people and they work all the time putting it there. And you’re in this big agreement so you just take the lines from them actually.

Well, actually, if he’s real good at it, he can be aware of this dog out here, he can be aware of horses, he can be aware of buildings, he’ll say that this would preclude his ability to be anything he wanted to be anytime he wanted to be it. Well, this awareness is not that agreement. He’s just being aware of being himself. And so if he’s very aware of being himself, why then he feels he’s in good shape. Oh, that’s terrible. Do you know what self-consciousness is? That is just that thing I just spoke of on a gradient scale. We just magnify and multiply that feeling of being aware over and over and more and more and more and you get this shaking horrors of self-consciousness that most people go around in.

And you run your car into the brick wall and the fenders get all dented and everything just goes to the devil and so on. And you say, „Now, if I just, let’s see. Is it possible for me to put… Let’s see, we’ll take that brick wall and we’ll move it a block down the street so we won’t hit it.“ And you do this in the last instant, just before the crash. We just pick this brick wall up and put it a block down the street.

That starts out with the agreement „I am aware.“ A fellow IS, he isn’t aware. He IS high on the tone scale and all he has to do is make a postulate as to what he is. And if he wants to be something else, he simply has to make another postulate, not change a postulate. He just makes another postulate that he is and he can also make a postulate, he is aware.

Don’t do it. Don’t do it. For a good reason: if you really get your horsepower up it’ll go a block down the street and you’ll just bust the living daylights out of an awful lot of people’s what? Reality. In other words, you will break their agreements to smithereens. Don’t do it.

Well, that… that would be something that a guy couldn’t quite grasp, and I can just see it now. A bunch of ghouls sitting around explaining to a new recruit saying, „Now, well this… this… this being aware is very good, that… that gives you a lot of sensation and so forth and how do you know you really get this sensation unless you know you’re you. Now that’s obvious so if you know you’re you, why then sensation comes through very strongly and then you’re aware of who’s getting the sensation, don’t you see? But if you’re not aware of who’s getting the sensation then how could you possibly know that you’re getting the sensation, obvious isn’t it? Well, now you’ve agreed now that… that’s a good state of affairs and we’ll show you we’ll give you a good sensation right now.“ So they give him some sort of a sensation and then they give him a bad sensation. You say, „You see, now you feel that more strongly, don’t you?“ and the fellow says, „Yes, I guess I do.“ And uh… he has agreed… he has agreed at that point, that he can be aware.

Course you never try to do this, you, you never, never try to do this. This… this is… is not one of your penchants.

Gee, the second you agree I can… I can be aware, you set this up as a temporary condition, as a momentary condition or as a desirable condition or as a bad condition, or anything you want. This has been set up now you can have a whole flock of conditions. Instead of just being and acting very wholeheartedly and feeling and so forth, a fellow was first aware and then he does this.

Did you ever ask a preclear, „Did you ever run into anything with a car?“

You put it on a bypass circuit, you see, so he has to agree that he’s not aware at times. See he says, „I’m not aware at times. I go to sleep.“ That’s the backbone on sleep. „I can agree not to be aware.“ lie’s found this out. Oh, that’s an interesting one. He cannot be aware. Then he can agree to be hypnotized as far as that goes. Then he can agree to be unconscious and when you can deliver enough pain to an individual to make him dislike it, he would always rather have some kind of a mechanism by which he didn’t have to feel it. So he invents this mechanism of, „Ow, I’m not aware in that period.“ That’s all. So that solves it. „I just didn’t feel it. Didn’t feel a thing.“ There he is.

The fellow says, „Yeah, yeah.“ All right, now, you say, „Now, let’s take that visio you have of that stopped up…“ He’ll say, „Yeah, well, do I have a visio of it.“ And now you say, „Well, what is the visio of it?“

Well, that’s an automaticity sort of thing. Yet I didn’t feel it but my… my beingness kept on being so therefore I can… suspend beingness. And that is the… the big lesson… I can suspend beingness.

„It’s… It’s just an instant before the crash.“ He’s still got this picture of the brick wall, the tree, the other car and so on. It’s just an instant before the crash.

Now, he gets caught a few times too fast to make a good postulate, something hits him so quick that he can’t suspend beingness, he thinks, fast enough. So he says „Let’s make this automatic, when anything hits me that fast I have a not-beingness right then and there and to make sure that I have a not-beingness right then and there I will go two or three seconds before the time I was hit by it and start not being at that point and that wipes out everything.

How do you finish up that picture? You can fool around all you want to in processing it and running it back and forth. You don’t find this picture washes up very easily.

How many preclears have you run that couldn’t spot the point of unconsciousness but kept putting it earlier? And then would start putting it later? And then would unfold it and bring it into view; they would do this with great caution. You know a fellow starts going unconscious minutes be… under anesthesia before he goes unconscious - no anesthesia’s anywhere near him and he doesn’t go unconscious ‘tel the moment he goes unconscious, that is saying, ‘tel the moment the anesthesia is applied. But the second this is applied, he back postulates that he has been unconscious for a little while in order to make it very easy to take the anesthesia. And the anesthesia has nothing to do with the reduction of his awareness except that he has agreed that it does.

Give him a mock-up of the same tree and let him finally do with it what he was trying to do. And at the instant you succeed in that, he no longer has that picture. But I don’t know any other kind of processing that’ll wipe out that confounded picture. It just sits there and it sits there and it sits there. He stopped time evidently. Just an instant before the crash he tried to pick up the tree and so forth and put it a block down the road so he couldn’t hit it.

And there… there are people around, a good demonstration of this, the people around you can slap chloroform on him, you could have slapped ether on him, you could fill him full of sodium pentothal, sodium nitrate, anything you wanted to fill him full of and… and what do you know - they don’t go out. This is a despair on the part of some people in hospitals. They say, „Well he must be unconscious.“ No. Another bucket of ether, pour it over his head and so on. Nothing’s happening. They say, „Well nobody can possibly be alert all through all of this, so, he must be unconscious so we’ll go ahead and operate.“ That wiggling around he’s doing is just automatic reflex he’s… he’s already had two and a half gallons of chlorobutanol or something, and Nembutal and we filled him up.

He didn’t stop time for a good reason. There isn’t any time to stop, which we’ll go into. But there was an object there and changing the place of this object in space was his intention. His inability to do it tells him that he hasn’t changed the object in space so he still sits there and he’s got a facsimile of it. And he still looks at it as not having been changed in space and he looks at it as a big failure.

Yah, very great confusion on what is this thing unconsciousness. And that’s the reason… the reason why is it’s just a postulated unawareness but it’s been made automatic, it’s been made completely automatic. And this fellow out here on the street made it so completely automatic that if you went along and tried to tell him it was just a postulate - he’d laugh at you.

Just drill him. Have him, „Mock up… mock up a toothpick and put the toothpick there. Now let’s mock up a toothpick again and let’s put the toothpick two inches further. Now let’s mock up a toothpick again and let’s put this toothpick two feet away.“ He says, „It keeps slapping in and trying to hit me in his face.“

That’s reality, that’s good reality, that’s useful, that’s workable. When anybody delivers too much pain to you, you become unaware. That’s the thing to do. So you go out here and you try and undo that as… undoing it as a postulate. You’re not going to get to first base. There are periods when he did. Now he said, „I’m not responsible for that period,“ don’t you see? This is a direct application of full responsibility as a theory. I’m not responsible for this period when I was aware.

You say, „That’s all right, that’s all right. Now, let’s get that toothpick there and let’s just hold it there two feet from you. You got it? Now turn it blue, now turn it red, now send it over to the right, and send it to the left and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and so…“ „Yeah,“ he says, „It stays there now.“

However, the first book forward we were trying to bring around and we succeeded in actually bringing the person up to the responsibility for the moments when he was unaware. We ran them out and brought them back into being. And whenever we ran one out and brought it back into being we made him responsible for that section of his life and it ceased to have a heavy command value on him. Because anything for which a person is not responsible can effect, make an effect of that person. Anytime he’s not responsible for something, it can affect him.

Now he’s got the toothpick there. „Good, good. Now move it an inch further away.“

He says, „Well, I’m not responsible.“ Supposing we’re driving down the street in a car and he says, „Well, I’m not responsible for what this car’s doing.“ And he’s took his hands off the wheel. Boy, it can sure have an effect on him, right then and there. If, uh… somebody’s talking along and they’re talking about this and that and so on and he doesn’t stand up for a friend of his, he says, „Well has no… no effect upon me. I mean I’m not responsible for that. That fellow’s just talking. I’m not responsible for it. It isn’t any responsibility of mine what that fellow’s saying about that friend of mine. I’m just standing here.“ Oh boy, his friend hears about that one of these fine days, and it has an effect upon him. But its -

He says, „It kinda comes back toward me.“

Whenever he abandons control of space, energy or objects, whenever he abandons control of these three things, he’s asked them to command him. He says, „I can’t control them.“ And what do they say… they say, „Hmmm, raw meat. We can control him.“

You say, „Well now, move it an inch further away and then move it a foot closer to you.“ „Mmmm. I don’t like to do that.“ You say, „Now come on, let’s… just move it a foot closer to you.“ „Mmmm. I don’t like to do that.“

Now, how do you get a person under control? You… you can say, „Give them anesthesia.“ Let’s say the same thing exactly. You get him to abandon control of space, energy, and objects.

You say, „Now come on, let’s… just move it a foot closer to you.“ „All right, but it just keeps right on coming.“

How do you get a fellow under control? You… you give him anesthesia. That takes away space of action and beingness. He… he’ll abandon the space he’s in right there at the moment. Most of these things actually give a man anesthesia and he actually goes and stands on the other side of the room someplace. He just moves out. He says, „I am unaware, I don’t have anything to do with it.“ And then he moves out. The thetan does, GE stays there and takes it… the GE’s rough, also not very aware.

„All right put two toothpicks up there and have them go through and appear on the other side of your head.“

But did you ever run these operations where the preclear insists that he’s on the other side of the room? We used to insist that he get in valence. Tough, I mean that’s rough. Well, it worked. We… we made… we made advances in spite of that.

And he says, „Well, all right.“

Anyway, here we have - we’ve asked this fellow to abandon energy, he’s not to move around while he’s being sawed up. And we’ve asked him to abandon control of an object, namely his body. We’ve asked him to abandon space. Asked him to abandon energy and asked him to abandon an object and boy! He’s unaware.

„Now put two more toothpicks in front of you and put those through your head and put them on the outside.“ „Okay.“ „Put two more toothpicks and put them on… behind your head.“ „All right. Uh… two more toothpicks…“ „Oh, sure.“ „All right, now put those two toothpicks out there, you got them?“ „Okay, got them.“ „All right, now move them one inch further away.“ „All right, I’ve done that.“ „Well, now move them a foot further away.“ „Well, okay.“ „Now move them clear down the next block.“ „All right.“ „Now put a tree there.“ „Okay.“ „Now move it a block further down the street.“ „Okay.“ „Now put a car there.“

Now actually you could just ask a person to vacate just… just move them out so that… they’ve abandoned control of space, energy and an object, I mean abandoned control of it, really abandoned control of it by saying, „Well, I can’t control that.“ That person is under control; that person becomes an effect. That’s the way people go down tone scale. The gradient scale of going down tone scale is the degree that one abandons space, energy, and objects. This could go on. I could tell you a lot more just right along the line of theta clearing.

„Okay.“ „Move it a block further down the str…“ „Nah, it keeps running back up to the same place.“

A lot of auditors go at it on this basis. They say, „Now let’s abandon the space of a body.“ I mean this is the kind of feeling they put out. „Let’s abandon the space of the body, let’s abandon all that energy and let’s get out of that object and move back - now! Now are you all in control of the physical universe you and feel better?“

„Well, take the car and throw it behind you. Put another car there, throw it behind you. T… put another car there, throw it behind you. Put another car there, throw it behind you. Put another…“

„No, no.“ The guy is practically unconscious. He doesn’t know whether he’s going or coming. He’s in terrible state instantly. And the reason he’s in terrible state is you’ve reduced him in consciousness. You’ve told him to abandon space, abandon energy, and abandon an object. No, no, the proper slant on theta clearing is to ask him to assume control of more space, to develop more energy and to demonstrate to him he can have an unlimited number of objects. You know most preclears haven’t got any space to move into. That space three feet in front of them is non-occupiable. That belongs to somebody else. That space one inch in front of their noses is unoccupiable. It belongs to somebody else. And what do you know, that space one inch behind the nose is not occupiable. It belongs to somebody else. This gets so bad that the fellow doesn’t even own the space the body’s in.

„Oh, I got it. I’m throwing them behind me. A big junk pile back there now.“

The body doesn’t even own the space the body is in, it belongs to the Administration or somebody. Now, you… you get these two directions then you can go from this by asking him to abandon space, energy, and objects, abandon them. He will go down tone scale and will go into an… a state of unawareness. Now as he gradually goes into a state of unawareness, he is taking less and less responsibility of course because that’s… responsibility simply means control of, admission of control of space, energy, and objects. So he goes down tone scale and he’s easier and easier to control so somebody else can now control him. Somebody else… he… somebody else has to give him space and energy and objects.

„All right, put a bo… Put a bomb in the middle of the junk pile and blow it up. Okay, got that? Now, put a car in front of you and move it a block down the street.“ „Okay, I can do that.“ „Where’s the picture of the accident?“ „What accident?“

That’s a welfare state. They give all their citizens space. Well, now, the state is giving you a place to live. Yeh, and the state gives you work. And the state is going to give you food and cars and one pair of shoes per citizen. And the state is also going to give you a medal if you’re a good boy. The state has assumed complete control of the individual and what happens to these individuals? They go into an hypnotic trance. The state says the moon is made of green cheese. It says right here that uh… Rosaline Kokabum uh… in the year 1821 flew to the moon and made a complete survey and inspection of this in order to throw at the capitalistic system. And here… here is the moon and it’s all been discovered and nailed down and it’s now under our banner. And the citizenry says, „Gong, yeh the moon is made out of green cheese.“

You let him do what he was trying to do which was to pick up the tree, the car, the brick wall and he knows he can do this in his own universe. And that’s all he’s interested in rehabilitating, is his ability to do it in his own universe. The only reason he’s hanging on to MEST is because he has the disability of not being able to do it for himself.

See what a wonderful system.

MEST is a secondary manifestation. You take this stuff money. A fellow has gotten the idea that he needs money to acquire. That’s very interesting. You take most of your preclears and you tell them to mock up a quarter and they won’t get a darn thing. It’ll be blurry, and it will be this way, and it’ll shift around.

The capitalistic system does different than that. It says, „If you don’t do exactly what we tell you to do, we’re going to take your space away from you, and we’re going to take your energy away from you, and boy, are we gonna take objects away from you.“ It is… so you see it’s higher toned. It just says it’s going to do this. Occasionally makes an example of somebody.

And you say, „All right now, let’s just take a slab of silver.“ They can do that. „Move that around. Take a slab of gold, slab of copper, move those things around, shove thee around. Play chess with them. Get them going in circles, move them this way, move them that way. Blow them all up.“

Well, so you see now what we’re… we’re talking about. We’re talking about engrams. Uh… comes around to an engram. An engram is a moment of pain and unconsciousness by old definition. Let’s… let’s redefine it.

„No, I can’t do that.“

An engram is a period of no responsibility. An engram is a period where the individual has abandoned control of and ownership of space, energy, and objects. An engram is a period of where the individual has abandoned space, energy, and objects.

„Well, all right, stack those three over there and let’s take a whole bunch of them now. And let its just take six bars of silver and six bars of gold and six bars of copper. Got them? Put them over there. Okay now let’s take six more bars and six more bars and six more bars and put them over there. You got that?

Now, if you put that definition down, it becomes much more understandable when we start to define space, energy and objects and find out what they are in terms of experience. But you can see that right now, you can connect that up. Now to run an engram, running an engram is a method of Standard Operating Procedure 1950 or 1951. It is a method of making the individual reassume control of a period where he has abandoned control of space, energy, and objects. You make him reassume control of, by going through it again and running through it again and demonstrating to him that he had a better control of it than he supposed. And so you run it and you run it and you run it.

Okay. Now, let’s have a big truck come up to the door and start unloading bars of gold into the front room. Got that? Got that? Put them all in boxes and put them up there. Okay, now have them back down the alley, a whole fleet of trucks, back down the alley and start unloading gold into the back yard. Now get it all stacked up there. Now put a bunch of guards out there.“

Now, some individuals, you put them down on the couch and the individual lies down there and he grimly folds his hands on his chest. And you say, „All right, now let’s go to the beginning of the incident, now what is the first phrase?“

„Well, I don’t need any guar… there’s too much gold around here already.“

„What incident?“

„Well okay, take… take one… take one tiny little pinpoint of gold now. You got it? Now blow it up.“ You can sort of see the fellow look around cautiously to make sure he’s got that back yard full and the front yard full and everything else.

You say, „Well, now looking for this incident, has to do with this somatic in your foot.“

„Well, we can dispense with this little piece.“

„Well, I can’t see anything. I can’t feel anything. You know my feeling of reality’s such I don’t even know that foot’s there. Now you ask me to run an incident about this and you know I couldn’t run any incident about this and there is no incident connected with this. And you say this has to do with the mother… you say it shows up on this… this meter thing here, that shows up that this is because I’m trying to get even with my mother or my mother’s trying to get even with me or I’ve done an overt act or whatever that is. I don’t know what these things are but I just… I just don’t see anything and this is a lot of bunk.“ And this guy can get pretty excited after a while.

And it’ll go pow. He’ll say humpf. He’ll feel like… he’ll feel like just exactly possibly like Jim Fisk or whoever it was that used to walk down the front steps of the stock exchange when he’d had a good day and light his cigar with a hundred dollar bill. He feels just that… that… that way about it.

You’re just… you’ve done just this… this trick actually. Finally we know. What… what have you done when you failed to get an occluded case running? You just failed to use a gradient scale. That’s all. You started diving to make this guy take over responsibility for lots of space and lots of energy and lots of objects all at once. You said, „Okay.“ Now without even giving him a pep talk you just suddenly said, „All right, now let’s take over control of space, energy, and objects. Let’s go, Bud. You’re on your own.“

All right, you take that thimbleful of gold and you blow it up. You take a bar of gold and you blow it up. And you take 2 bars of gold and you blow it up. And all of a sudden, he’s starting to get kinda unwilling.

„Oh.“ This guy just - he’s got no engram bank - he’s got no mind. He’s gone, he’s been gone for a long time. When you start theta clearing, you’ll recognize this fellow instantly. You’ll recognize what his trouble is. He isn’t occupying the space you’re trying to get him out of.

So you have another fleet of trucks come up and… and fill the other back yard on both sides and you make the whole room full of gold and the walls full of gold, and all the furniture full of gold, and you make, a… then stack the whole room full of silver. And he’ll say, „The hell with it,“ and he’ll blow the room up. And he’ll blow the back yard up. And he’ll blow the front yard up and so on. He’s all set.

And… the quicker an auditor learns that the happier he is because he… he can just break his heart over some of these cases, he says, „Move them out… move them out? Hell, they’re not in!“ They’re negatively out. Not… not only are they not in their heads, but they have to be collected from a lot of places they have run to and put in their head so that they can then be moved out of their heads. Now, you ask him and if you ask on a gradient scale, the funny part of it is if you use this principle we’re using right now you can actually run on the people you haven’t been able to run them on before, locks, secondaries, and engrams.

Sure, he’s got… he’s trying to… he’s getting back toward his own universe. That’s all he’s interested in.

Now, how do you do this? You just uh… run him through a little moment of his life - doesn’t matter whether it’s a pleasure moment or a bad moment or a good moment or anything else. Just… just run him through a little section of his life whereby he did own something. You make him remember something really real to him when he was in communication with something. See ARC Straightwire. And what did we find out empirically - found out that ARC Straightwire would do an awful lot for the psychotic and neurotic. And the break point of the psychotic was the moment when he could remember something absolutely real. He’d really experienced quite a surge the second he did that. Why? Uh… you’ve given him ownership of one one hundredth billionths to the umpety-umpth power of uh… space and energy. You’ve just given him this tiny little thing. It’s almost immeasurable. But he’s all of a sudden said, „Hey, I can own something. I can control something. What do you know, there was a moment… there’s a moment in my past that I can control.“ He says, „Sigh.“

Now, when you get… when you get this process going, the next thing, you take paper money. And you’ll probably have a little less trouble with it. And you take some more paper money and some more paper money and you get stacks of it. And the first thing you know, every time you get the paper money down in front of the preclear, it’ll start flickering right out of the billcase and just come up faster.

Now if you went on from there and just built that as a gradient scale using reality of all things. I mean… mean… trying to process reality, so called laughingly, is, actually, it turns out, a low scale method of looking at things. Why should you process reality when you can make it? Now your preclear all of a sudden gets the idea he can make it. And whether that idea’s right or wrong or bad or good that’s… that doesn’t matter, he… he just gets awfully… an awful lot better. What’s the idea of processing this when you can nacho it. But we’ll go on and talk about these anyway.

You have him mock up his body out there and mock up a pile of paper money. And it’s just like a hurricane hits the stuff. It just goes swoosh. You’ll get him after a while so that he can stack up paper money all over the place. And the funny part of it is, he’ll have to do a little bit of orientation. He’ll look into his pocketbook and it looks like what it is: confetti. Worse than what it is… worse than what it is, it’ll look like something a little bit worse than he was mocking up. But it has a buying power and it has a lot of other things and he’ll rehabilitate his perception and his viewpoint on it.

If you could run a lock, no matter how brief, that restored some space to him, it was actually true. He did have the right to go into the woodshed without getting spanked. Boy, why, that’d be a big game. You’d restored to him some space in the past which had been denied to him consistently. You would work on him entering rooms or entering boxes or entering something until at last he could find a time when he had entered something. And you could run the times when he didn’t want to enter to the point where he now feels free to enter the woodshed. Of course, it’s been forty years ago since he was spanked in that woodshed, but you’d find today that if he were to go out toward the woodshed, he would get to feeling rather odd. Somebody was really taking space, energy, and objects away from him.

Now that’s interesting to… to notice though, that you… you may have had an awful time with some preclear, just beating his head in just consistently and continually trying to orient him so he’s sensible and rational on the subject of money. He’s mad on the subject of money. The process which I just gave you knocks it out. That’s odd isn’t it?

All right, so we’ve given him back a little piece of space. Now did he have the right to do something? We’ll find out who said he didn’t have the right to do something, we’ll block that off, knock that off.

Is the MEST universe an illusion? Well, the handling of illusions solves the confounded universe and solves the problems which are contained where-in it, whereas if you continue to treat it as a reality, the problems don’t solve. Ah, is it an illusion? Now, this is not necessarily conclusive proof, not necessarily at all. Uh… it could be a very interesting sort of a proof if you went around shattering people’s agreements, shattering their reality.

Now, did he have the right to control his own shoes? That might be too tough. Did he have the right to comb his own hair? Did he have the right to… to… to own something? An object? And control something - did he? Yeh. What do you know he suddenly - humpf. And the next just go over it again, some more space. See, energy is an action and an object. And you just - if you just kept going up the gradient scale of incidents and finding incidents that are just a little wider, just a little bigger, a little more space, a little more doingness, a little more objects in them, you could run locks and secondaries and engrams.

If you were to walk down the street 10 feet off the ground out here without walking on any pavement, but there you were walking along 10 feet off the ground and everybody could see you doing this, you’d have quite a crowd. Their reality would be very badly broken.

What’s a secondary? A secondary’s a very severe moment of loss. It’s either anger against losing, uh… fear of losing, or fear because one has lost, or the recognition that one has lost and apathy is not only has one lost but one will never be able to gain again. So we’ve got that. We’ve known that for a long time so let’s move in on a secondary just to that degree.

Well, the same way if you suddenly started extending your hand and there was… there was a ten dollar bill in your hand. You gave it to somebody. And… uh… you come down the street and you see a panhandler there and you just say, „Well, have a ten,“ and there’s nothing in your hand, and there’s a ten. And he takes the ten and it says Abraham Lincoln or George Washington or whoever it is that’s on a ten… Benjamin Franklin? No, that’s on hundreds.

In the first place, does he own anything in present time. Is anything his? And the fellow will sort of fumble around and, „Let’s see a tie, no, a tie was given me by my Aunt Bertha and I always had to be careful of Aunt Bertha’s things and the shoes and so forth. I work for this company and this company has… gives me everything I own practically. And… and… uh… gee, I don’t own… own that really. The house belongs to my wife. Let’s see, the car… that car belongs to the finance company. Uh… let’s see, uh… umm. Hey you know there’s a toothpick in my top drawer that I think I own.“ „How do you know you own that toothpick?“ „Well, I carved it out myself.“ Go in on that gradient scale and let him take possession of what is his and you’ll find that is a… that is a very interesting process.

So anyhow… uh… uh… if you could do that and that money went into circulation, that would be quite a test. That would be the test amongst tests, wouldn’t it? That would really be a test. Of course, you want to think of the consequences of this. If you suddenly started doing that and that money… you had to be good enough to produce it, and that money would have to have the proper treasury serial number on it and everything else and be acceptable to the US Government and all that.

Well, what do you know, the fellow the first thing you know the fellow will be able to run a secondary. He lost his pappa - you want to get grief off him, there’s no reason you have to get grief off him anymore. But you want to get grief off this fellow, work this basis of a loss. What does he own? What could he lose? What could he safely lose? What could he not get along without? First thing you know, his sphere of ownership starts going up on objects.

You realize what the level of responsibility of that is? The level of responsibility of the issuance of money to have the money acceptable is to be the government of :hat country. And if you’re willing to take on this level of responsibility over here, you can do that one. But that’s the test. It would be the… the final test to many.

What could he do and what can’t he do - and his sphere of action starts going up. What can he be, what can’t he be - and his sphere of space starts going up. Okay, you have to get him up so far until he can cry over something because most guys are in apathy on this.

Well, what do you know? It’s not a test at all. That’s not a test, it’s just… is the way they’ve been testing things in science. They’ve said, „All right, now so-and-so and so-and-so, now does it agree over here with the physical universe? No. No.

For seventy-six trillion years this MEST universe has been playing the game, now look at yours. You got it now? You’re thoroughly attached to it, now you’re sure you own it - you’re sure now? YANK! I said, „Well, I guess that one wasn’t yours. Now here’s something else for you.“ And this… this game has… has the root of many evils.

But what’s science studying? Science is studying the physical universe. So, they’re studying what tests in comparison with the physical universe. You get that as a differentiation? Therefore, the physical universe is the test of this which we’re investigating because we’re investigating the physical universe. Now, don’t… don’t get that snarled up with what we’re doing. We’ve got experience.

All right, a lock is a light incident. Locks stand on top of… and multiply because of secondaries and engrams. A fellow loses Grandma, that’s a secondary, grief charge. He loses Grandma and he goes on from there gathering locks about loss of people till he gets frantic, he’s afraid to lose anything. He’s afraid to lose his watch of he feels he’ll commit suicide if he lost another thing in his life.

We want experience and we’re testing experience. So if we’re testing experience, then let’s test it by experience. And let’s remember that experience, just open up your mind a little bit and remember that experience doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the physical universe. Experience doesn’t necessarily.

What’s a secondary? Just that major loss. A lock that stands on a physical pain engram of just moments when he is reminded that he has a big moment of physical pain and unconsciousness. And so he goes a little bit unconscious every time he thinks this thing is coming back in again. And he wants that engram because he can’t trust himself to act fast enough in an emergency. He’s learned he can’t act fast enough in an emergency. He thinks he’s learned this so the way to do it is to set it up in such a way that he gets an automatic machine that goes zip-bomp and does it for him.

You see, that would be an awful arbitrary to enter into it. Say that the only experience that anybody could have would have to do with the physical universe. Well, you know immediately that that isn’t true. Because you know that a man is as alive as he has dreams.

Where do people go to pieces? They go to pieces at the moment where they conceive that they can’t trust themselves anymore. When they can’t trust themselves, they have to trust something else. There’s nobody else they can trust, so they fix up an engram bank and trust it.

Is the physical universe an illusion? You can test this one. If a man loses his last dream, you’ve got a corpse on your hand. Don’t kill a man with bullets because you don’t really kill him at all. We can test that and prove that on an E-Meter.

Or in the fear of action, they go out and build a temple and put an idol on the altar and trust it. Or they go down to Las Vegas and say, „We’ll leave it in the hands of Lady Luck.“ They shed responsibility in the hopes that… to which they had shed the responsibility will be theirs again. There you get the interplay.

No, sir. Kill him by taking his dreams away one by one. Take his goals and dreams. What’s the commonest thing that you hear from people? „I lost my illusions. I haven’t any illusions any more…“ They know what’s wrong with them. They’ve lost their illusions. They’re telling you in just that many words. That… that was… that was them. They lost themselves when they lost their illusions. And a men is dead when the last of his dreams is dead and that’s about the long and short of it.

How do you run locks and secondaries and engrams then? Run them on a gradient scale of restoring confidence in one’s ability to control space, energy and objects. And you can use SOP 50, you can use THE ORIGINAL THESIS. As a matter of fact, there’s a better technique in THE ORIGINAL THESIS, I think, than 1948. All these things run with it.

You go down here on skid row. Look at the bums. You just take that line of bums and you’ll find out that they don’t have any dream anymore of having anything. There isn’t anything they can be or anything except a bum.

Uh… you use that, you can run any engram in the bank. If you can’t run an engram, you have to run something like it. Okay, did that clear up a few things? On… you can always run an engram on a preclear providing you don’t insist on running an engram heavier than he can run. You sort of knew that once upon a time, but how do you sneak in on it? Well sneak in on it by running a lock, restoring him like that.

When you go down to the prison we’ll find out that the criminal uniformly has lost his self-respect. And when we ask him what his self-respect is, and ask him rather closely, he says, „One day I found I couldn’t trust myself.“ „How did you find that out?“ „I struck op mother.“

Now there’s one more point I’d like to make with regard to that. There’s one more slight point, is that the over-all idea of locks, engrams and secondaries and so on, is handled now by creative processing. You have to know what locks, secondaries, and engrams are to be able to handle them as such, otherwise you won’t take the creative processings uh… handily enough. But you handle directly, very directly, you handle them by getting the preclear to own his own space, his own energy, and his own objects. And when he owns his own space, energy, and objects - heck! - MEST universe stuff - phooey!

If you put it on an E-Meter, you’ll find that just as answering up along that line.

Not only, he hasn’t just abandoned it, he can just take ownership of it like mad. So handle these things in the far run of it with creative processing; handling preclears, you know this fellow’s got an engram, you know he’s got Fac One, you know he’s got something else. Handle with creative processing. But don’t lose sight of the fact that you are handling something he considers an… an existing entity.

Or, „I found out that I betrayed a comrade. I did something. And therefore I was no longer worth anything.“

Let’s take a break.

He didn’t measure it in terms of how much MEST he had. The lousiest criminal down here didn’t measure it in the terms of how much MEST he had or was. He measured it in this degree: his… I have discovered that there was bad experience for which I was cause and I thereafter cannot BE anything because I won’t permit myself to be anything. And there’s your criminal.

You want to start processing criminals any time, they’re very easy to process. All you have to do is rehabilitate a man’s belief in himself. It’s so simple. He’s lost it.

And what was that belief in self? It was the ability to garb self with an acceptable illusion, an illusion which other people would accept. In the MEST universe that always has to be added on and is an arbitrary limiter; that which other people can accept. That is not true in one’s own universe, it only has to be acceptable to himself. And that’s… HE KNOWS that, that’s a level of certainty. Does he accept it himself? Yes. Or no. There’s no question mark: is it accepted by somebody else?

One of the big tricks in the MEST universe is, „Prove it or we don’t accept it,“ or, „We’ll agree to that if you’ll agree to this.“ Trades in terms of illusion. And so you get a new universe going.

All right. The world around a child is a bright, bright world. A child comes in with the idea that he is free. He has a new start, he’s got a new chance. This time he will do something in the universe that is spectacular. He will make a go of it and so on. He’s got that new hope.

And that child goes downhill and becomes impossible to the degree that he loses that hope. And the things are very bright to that child at first. He can in other words put a perception there and perceive it with great facility. The world is beautiful to him, he has a certain freedom, and so on.

And then they start working on him and they say, „Johnny, why do you overwork your imagination? You know very well that there’s no battleship out there in the back yard.“ He knows there’s no battleship out in the back yard. He’s never made a mistake on it in his life. But he wants to put a battleship out in the back yard, let him put a battleship out in the back yard, instead of making this…

Why… why does this MEST universe and people who really get MEST-ified… Uh… people that really get MEST-ified why, why are they so insistent that we not imagine anything? Why? Because if a fellow really started out along this line, they know, basically they know that the only way that they can be smashed to smithereens is to all of a sudden be presented with an illusion which they have to accept. And that’s a terrible danger.

Why Johnny’s liable to come in the house and… he’s… he’s dangerous. He keeps imagining he shoots tigers out there in the back yard. Now, what… what if he… went out there in the back yard and he thought up this tiger and he brought the tiger in the house? That’s actually a paramount thought.

Actually, you can… you investigate Momma and you’ll say, „Now what did he used to think up?“

„Oh, he used to think up these terrible things, these bad men and everything else and these… all… all this and he used to think this up.“

„We’s… what’s… what objection is there to that?“

„Oh, but they’re terrible people!“ She’s gone right off along the line. She knows exactly what might happen.

If Johnny were really hot, he could think up Jesse James and Jesse James would come in there and there probably wouldn’t be any silver left in the house. And if the battleship Missouri got placed out in the back yard, by gosh! It’d be in the back yard. And it’s so hard to grow flowers on turrets.

So, is it an illusion? Well, here we’re on a communication level.

An illusion has been defined in the past as something that didn’t exist. Therefore, an illusion has no existence. All right, everybody kind of understands that word illusion to mean something that doesn’t exist, and when you say something has no existence, you mean something cannot be experienced. And I show you immediately that you can experience an illusion; that illusion exists. So existence can be an illusion, can’t it?

Here it is. It can exist because it can be experienced, if we define illusion to mean something which can be experienced.

You have to have something that can be experienced before somebody can agree upon it. There has to be an experience there. So when we talk about experience, we’re talking several cuts above the MEST universe. We’re talking way up the line from the MEST universe, we’re talking above the line of energy, space, because an idea does not have to exist in space. You know that. You don’t have to have space to have an idea.

And when you make an illusion, that’s the first requisite is to have space. Well, space is an experience, so what one makes, one can experience. What is made can be experienced. So you can make anything and it would exist if it could be experienced.

Now, I’m not trying to just shuffle words around; I’m just trying to get a better communication level on this thing. It is not fair to say, „All right, yeah, I haven’t any better word than illusion.“ I could call it a whumjit and you’d probably… well you’d probably come to a better agreement on this.

When I say that wall is an illusion, I don’t say that wall cannot be experienced. That wall can be experienced, it obviously can be experienced. And when I say it doesn’t exist, I am only saying it does not necessarily, arbitrarily, have to exist independent to experience, that’s all. It’s independent.

Now, it’s a very funny thing about space and about things like that. People can make an agreement and that agreement just keeps on rolling. That doesn’t say you don’t have to feed that again. You don’t have to feed more agreement to it in order to perceive it some more. And if you really want to look something over, you want to go over and get it… what you say, close. In other words you want to look it over real good. What’s that mean? I want to experience it better.

So, if we just lay off any confusion about „Is this illusion?“ or „What do we mean by illusion?“ we merely mean by illusion the technical definition, that which one makes which can be experienced.

And what do we mean by reality? We mean that which is made and which is commonly experienced by agreement. That which is made or one or many make and can be commonly experienced. That we will define as reality just for our purposes.

And what’s delusion? That which somebody else makes and tries to push off on us as an arbitrary necessary experience. Arbitrary, necessary experience.

So… uh… what we’re trying to do with processing and with this slight dissertation on illusion here, what we’re trying to do with processing is to give the preclear back a choice. We’re giving him back his power of choice on whether or not he has to experience THIS. And we’re giving him back that by one route only, and that’s rehabilitating his power to create and experience a universe.

If we can get him to create and experience a universe independently, the odd part of it is… is he has greater choice on his ability to experience this: it isn’t as bright as people tell him it has to be, it’s as bright as he wants to make it.

An awful lot of people have an awful lot of trouble with this stuff, you know. People go around, they say, „The light’s too bright, the dust is blowing too hard… uh… I’m too warm, it’s too cold, I’m uncomfortable, I’m too fat, I’m too thin, I’m this, I’m that, this, I…“ They’re complaining all the time about an arbitrary necessity to experience.

They’re saying, „I don’t like to experience that dust. I don’t like to have to experience, without any consultation with me, this, that, warmth, heat, cold. I… I… that’s… it’s… it’s just these darn arbitrary experiences uh… that… uh… I just don’t like it that’s all.

Now, how do you get up their level of selection? By letting them run away from them? No, because to run away from something is to agree even further not only that it exists, but that it exists and is dangerous.

So, you see, that’s an extension of agreement.

You know that you can frighten a person suddenly and they go into a hypnotic trance? And if you were to frighten a person suddenly and to say something real fast to them, you’d lay in a beautiful engram? You show them „this is dangerous“; they desert it quickly. You put right in that spot an experience; when they try to move back over and take over that spot they just move right back into that. And that thing commands them thereafter.

That is the TRICK on making an agreement. You could say… you can s… watch this in experience: people become that of which they are afraid. People create that which they fear.

It… it may be that this… here’s a big lumbering crane and it goes up and down the dock and loads ships. And one day it gets an operator who says, „That crane is dangerous. It’s liable to do this, it’s liable to do that, and you never know.“ And he tells somebody else that on the dock and, „This thing is dangerous. It’s liable to do this, it’s liable to do that, you just never know what that crane’s going to do.“ And somebody else comes along and he says, „You know, that crane, that’s just badly made and it’s… it’s dangerous, and it’s liable to do this…“ I don’t know.

And we get a new operator and this new operator’s told this as he comes onto the thing. And he gets ahold of these controls and he says, „I’m handling something that’s dangerous and it’s not liable to do what I want it to do and I can’t exert my will on it, really. And these controls might not control what they’re supposed to control,“ and so he drops a load of steel on a bunch of longshoremen’s heads. This follows.

He finally has manufactured something from which he can flee. He’s told that this exists that way and he will just break his neck to make it something which justifies his fear of it. He’s got to have it be something dangerous if he’s afraid of it. And the more dangerous it is the less cowardly he is, if he’s afraid of it. So he’ll magnify that. He just juggles, in other words function by magnifying and subtracting experience.

Now, let’s define experience. Experience is not necessarily space, energy and objects. It’s not necessarily space, energy, and objects. It just happens to appear that way from where we sit here in the MEST universe, because the MEST universe is made of an agreement on space, energy and objects. But at the second you think that that would be the end product… because an experience could pass as a postulate from a mind to a mind without the existence of space. So a postulate could be an experience, couldn’t it… but you think… you think of things… postulates, as something that start experience.“

Now the funny part of it is that a postulate is a gradient scale itself. It’s not an absolute thing. When you start to undo postulates and you use the action cycle of postulate processing, you’ll see what I mean. You will be flabbergasted at the amount of MEST there is wrapped up in postulates. And how thoroughly enmested a person normally is in making postulates. He isn’t making them free. He discovers for the first time that his decisional level is an enslaved thing to MEST when he starts to use an action cycle of postulates.

Now, you could get a postulate up here to where it existed as just pure experience that has nothing to do with action. So when we say experience again we’re having a little communication difficulty. And experience normally has to do with action, doesn’t it. Well, let’s just orient that just a tiny bit better and say experience is merely a test of existence. An experience is a test or perception of existence.

You know they say this fellow can’t work in this store very good because he hasn’t got any experience. Well, they mean he hasn’t learned data connected with this store. That’s what they mean. So the datum… datum isn’t really existing in time and space. It’s been that way about stores for an awful long time and it’ll be that way about stores for an awful lot more time. So you haven’t spotted when you said „his experience,“ you haven’t spotted really data that exists in time.

Now… ah… you don’t have to bat your head out with this. Let’s just… I’m doing this mainly for clarification, so that we don’t go adrift anyplace on the thing. Because what we’re doing is very simple.

A universe can be constructed of space, energy, and objects. Any universe can exist. It can be perceived; therefore, it can exist.

This is the old-as-cards stuff going round and round, only they’re on a slightly cruder level than we’re operating. Because, so help me, we’re operating with positive proof. We can prove this experience.

How do you prove an experience? By experiencing it, of course. So that’s where we are.

Now, you can then make a universe of space, energy, and objects.

You could also make a universe which consisted of five dimensional space, what we call… might call uh… projectivity and… uh… destructed. You could say, „After this… uh… object has been in existence for a certain space of time, it automatically vanishes… uh… therefore it has a delimiting factor and this… this five dimensional space assists this because anything which drifts into the warp areas of the five dimensional space becomes a „destructed.“ So only that energy which is in the free areas at the time, it’s in IS. Now, that IS, so therefore we’ve got a universe that is going „flick.“

You’ve got a new universe there for that day and then it would go click. You’d have a new universe there for that day. You see… you can’t fit five dimensional space together so there’s have to be holes. And as it shifted why this stuff would get into these holes, which of course, didn’t exist. So there couldn’t be any space there by definition, but there could be space there…

It… it doesn’t matter, I mean, this doesn’t sound… sounds… sounds silly but you can do anything you want to.

One of the nicest tricks there is to get a preclear to mock up a little piece of space here in front of him and then put a… put something in it. Put a doll or something here in the middle of it. All right, you got a doll in the middle of it. Now let’s take the two extremities of that piece of space and let’s give them a twist. Now let’s twist them the other way. What happens to the doll?

And the fellow says, „Well, the doll, humpf. The doll crinkles when I do that. Hummpf, that’s interesting, yeah.“

And you say, „All right, now collapse the space a little bit. Now bring it out again. Got that? Now give it another crinkle so you know it’s yours. Okay, now just to be sure that it’s your space, put a warp in it, right here in the middle of it. Put a black line… a black sheet, and there’s dimension inside the black sheet but the sheet has no dimension in relationship to your space.“

Fellow says, „All right.“

„Now the way you do this is you get this little doll walking along now and every time this little doll passes through this black space it does a time shift and appears on the other side as a bear.“

Fellow says, „All right.“

„Okay, now let’s turn the bear around and have the bear walk back and pass through that black space and walk out the other side a doll. You got that?“

„Yeah, that’s very interesting.“ Then he gets… „Wonder what’s in that black space?“

Well, of course there’s nothing in that black space, but… uh… he’s beginning the cycle of automaticity on his piece of space.

Now he can make that piece of space exist. And if he had inhabitants in his universe, this’d be the customary thing, is when you walk down the walk… you could walk down the walk in your bathrobe but when you hit the sidewalk you were dressed for the office. And that happened because of a warp that is across everybody’s sidewalk and he could sell them the warp. „Now would you like to buy some warp space?“ I would say, „Sure, love to have some warp space.“

„What kind of hat kind of warp space do you want though? Uh… what’s… to… what’s to happen? Is this the kind of warp space that you go in and come out of the other side of it fully dressed?“

„Well, we have that, but there’s an improved kind that doesn’t necessarily work the opposite direction. So that when you walk home from the office, you don’t necessarily get on the other side of it and appear in your bathrobe and walk up the steps. It doesn’t undress you, it’s just a dressing warp. And… uh… that’s much superior, but that costs a little more.“

All you’d have to do is just get everybody to agree that this was what’s happening and this would become very usual. Be routine, that’s all. You’d just have some warp space.

In the first space, there’s no space there unless the person postulates there’s space there. Space is a viewpoint of dimension but we’ll be covering that much more exhaustively.

But what’s this warp? Now he knows he’s got space and actually he does know he’s got space. He knows that he’s got space as much as one can know that he’s got space when he can see the thing crinkle and he puts a warp in it. And if he can expand or contract this space on dimensions it’s obviously his space. He’s expanding and contracting it, isn’t he? Well, that’s the definition of space: dimension. If he can change the dimension of space, he obviously… it belongs to him. That’s all there is to it.

If you can make this wall move four feet closer to you and move back again, you can own that space.

And it s a very odd thing, but a person’s mock-ups have a tendency to get much less perishable when they’re in his own space. He’ll notice this the first time with a considerable start. He’ll… he’ll really… he’ll discover this quite accidentally.

He’ll just be looking at his piece of space there and he’ll say suddenly - you’ve just made a piece of space and you just haven’t told him any more about it and he… „You know, it’s brighter.“

And you say, „Yeah, yeah, now let’s blow it up.“

He’s been blowing up things very successfully but this is different. But this is his. So you got… gotta make a lot of them and have him blow up one. Make him make a lot of them and then make him make a little little one, and then blow the little one up.

And… uh… the handling of one’s own space and one’s own dimension is actually a rougher problem because one is at first much more serious about it. Because one went down the tone scale of his own universe clear to the bottom before he entered the MEST universe and now he’s going down the MEST universe clear to the bottom. And he’s almost there.

The next universe out, I understand, is full of dragons and all named George. And… uh… they… uh… the place starts in with everybody being MEST, and… that’s an angel. And of course religion in this universe has nothing to do with MEST. They never pass a collection plate. Uh… they, never say, they never say, uh… „Preserve your MEST,“ „Bury your MEST,“ „We will pray for your MEST,“ or anything like that. And… uh… well anyway, this next new universe is pretty rough. And it’s pretty rough. So I’m going to say that if you can make the preclear go up tone scale on his own universe before he goes up tone scale on this universe, you’ve moved him back one universe already.

Now maybe there’s a universe ahead of that. If there’s a universe ahead of that, though, why, boy, the amount of freedom must be so great in it that I wouldn’t think it could policed. And if a universe couldn’t be policed, it isn’t worth having because you gotta have cops. Everybody knows that ‘cause no ethic level could possibly exist that would prohibit the cops. No, you always gotta have police.

So if you had a universe that was so free and so ethical that cops couldn’t exist in it, why, it’d naturally… wouldn’t be a universe you could own so you wouldn’t want very much to do with that.

I mean… uh… this is circular logic but I mean it’s good logical stuff for this level of the tone scale of this society.

Uh… now, what happens… what happens if you, by mock-ups, suddenly recover the ability to move this wall four feet it closer to you and feel it?