• Tape 01: 5211C06 Methods of Research, the Thetan as an Energy Unit

• Tape 01: 5211C06 Methods of Research, the Thetan as an Energy Unit

➤ A thetan can go over and take possession of the body of - let's say we want to influence the priemier of Buckwupistan. So we boot this thetan out and make this thetan go over and knock out the thetan in the wife of the priemier of Buckwupistan. And then we are holding the body of the person that we send over there and they are still connected and in communication with this body. At which moment ... (sound of somebody entering the room) Pretty wild stuff to walk into suddenly ... (laughter).

➤ A thetan can go over and take possession of the body of - let's say we want to influence the priemier of Buckwupistan. So we boot this thetan out and make this thetan go over and knock out the thetan in the wife of the priemier of Buckwupistan. And then we are holding the body of the person that we send over there and they are still connected and in communication with this body. At which moment ... (sound of somebody entering the room) Pretty wild stuff to walk into suddenly ... (laughter).

➤ So we simply monitor, now all of a sudden we find we are able to monitor the wife of the priemier of Buckwupistan with great ease. And we get her into a tremendous affair with a court chamberlain you see. And we just get things swirled up like a fire drill. And the next thing you know, he's dispossessed. They say his rents up on Buckwupistan or something of this sort because of scandal, because of this, because of that. Its a very neat political manuver. And it is so neat that there is probably not a member of the class present who is along the category of (case level) IV or V who hasn't done it.

➤ So we simply monitor, now all of a sudden we find we are able to monitor the wife of the priemier of Buckwupistan with great ease. And we get her into a tremendous affair with a court chamberlain you see. And we just get things swirled up like a fire drill. And the next thing you know, he's dispossessed. They say his rents up on Buckwupistan or something of this sort because of scandal, because of this, because of that. Its a very neat political manuver. And it is so neat that there is probably not a member of the class present who is along the category of (case level) IV or V who hasn't done it.

➤ And that is the reason why a lot of Vs and VIs are completely unwilling to get out of their heads. Because its an overt act to send somebody out of his head. And you've sent people out of their heads over to some vast distance. And having sent these people over, they run into a body or something which is then injured. Or something happens to their body right where you are. And you caused a complete foul up and extinction of a being. And after that, when somebody comes along and tells you to get out of your head, you'll find a V is trying despritely to stay in his head because he furiously objects to being sent around here, there, and various points in the universe, and because there is a DED (overt act) of having sent people out of their heads, and so on. So you work this stuff back and forth and you get some of the most interesting stuff. This is all early stuff by the way.

➤ And that is the reason why a lot of Vs and VIs are completely unwilling to get out of their heads. Because its an overt act to send somebody out of his head. And you've sent people out of their heads over to some vast distance. And having sent these people over, they run into a body or something which is then injured. Or something happens to their body right where you are. And you caused a complete foul up and extinction of a being. And after that, when somebody comes along and tells you to get out of your head, you'll find a V is trying despritely to stay in his head because he furiously objects to being sent around here, there, and various points in the universe, and because there is a DED (overt act) of having sent people out of their heads, and so on. So you work this stuff back and forth and you get some of the most interesting stuff. This is all early stuff by the way.

➤ Female voice (has a bit of an accent): But Ron. You see what happened was - when he eventually got into communication now in present time. (garbled sentence) He developed a round kind of pressure within his head. There were 4 beings coming at him. And I sprung him there and then and he had enough stability outside to energize these capsules and send them back. But I also questioned him about a body in pawn, but there was nothing on the E-meter.

➤ Female voice (has a bit of an accent): But Ron. You see what happened was - when he eventually got into communication now in present time. (garbled sentence) He developed a round kind of pressure within his head. There were 4 beings coming at him. And I sprung him there and then and he had enough stability outside to energize these capsules and send them back. But I also questioned him about a body in pawn, but there was nothing on the E-meter.

➤ Ron: It probably didn't register too well on him. I want to call your attention to something of considerable interest to you. It would be terribly interesting, you see, if all of this were just a fairy tale on "what is the state of the real universe!" But you're engaged with certain definite problems - and these problems have to deal with three certainties. And I'd hetter tell you something about these three certainties.

➤ Ron: It probably didn't register too well on him. I want to call your attention to something of considerable interest to you. It would be terribly interesting, you see, if all of this were just a fairy tale on "what is the state of the real universe!" But you're engaged with certain definite problems - and these problems have to deal with three certainties. And I'd hetter tell you something about these three certainties.

But before I do that, there is a certainty called the MEST universe. Unless you can discover and unless you use a certainty on the MEST universe - what is actually the series of agreements which we call the MEST universe? - unless you are willing to use this data for what it is, you'll find yourself and your preclear in a state of delusion.

But before I do that, there is a certainty called the MEST universe. Unless you can discover and unless you use a certainty on the MEST universe - what is actually the series of agreements which we call the MEST universe? - unless you are willing to use this data for what it is, you'll find yourself and your preclear in a state of delusion.

In other words, you are saying something that is the MEST universe isn't the MEST universe. And that, of course, is a method of getting everything upside down, but royally!

In other words, you are saying something that is the MEST universe isn't the MEST universe. And that, of course, is a method of getting everything upside down, but royally!

If you went around, for instance, telling everybody that there were no lorries going down Holland Park Avenue, and being quite upset and so on because no lorries were going down Holland Park Avenue - and there they go down Holland Park Avenue - why, you could do this silly trick of going out and saying, "Well, in view of the fact there are no lorries go down this avenue, it doesn't matter if I step under these big red things," and so on.

If you went around, for instance, telling everybody that there were no lorries going down Holland Park Avenue, and being quite upset and so on because no lorries were going down Holland Park Avenue - and there they go down Holland Park Avenue - why, you could do this silly trick of going out and saying, "Well, in view of the fact there are no lorries go down this avenue, it doesn't matter if I step under these big red things," and so on.

Just as idiotic as that is when you Set some kind of a planned, set-up condition of affairs. You examine this condition of affairs very carefully; you find out that it agrees to this extent as MEST universe. That is, the DEFINITION of MEST universe is, of course, the common denominator of agreement. That is the MEST universe. It's a series of agreements. And when you're examining the MEST universe, you're examining something solid. Its some agreement that you agreed on, that other people agreed with you on, and so on. Now, what did you agree on? And that is the MEST universe.

Just as idiotic as that is when you Set some kind of a planned, set-up condition of affairs. You examine this condition of affairs very carefully; you find out that it agrees to this extent as MEST universe. That is, the DEFINITION of MEST universe is, of course, the common denominator of agreement. That is the MEST universe. It's a series of agreements. And when you're examining the MEST universe, you're examining something solid. Its some agreement that you agreed on, that other people agreed with you on, and so on. Now, what did you agree on? And that is the MEST universe.

Now, you take preclear after preclear after preclear after preclear. You put them on E-Meters, you try to run them, you try to do this, you try to do that, straight on through, and you'll find in each and every case you're finding the phenomenon of entities, bodies in pawn, communications, spaceships, other planets, locations, beingness in other states and all of this; and you'll find this to be a consistent condition. You have fulfilled this definition of the MEST universe. It's evidently agreed upon. And it's agreed upon because - it's actually true. You couldn't go out and get somebody off the street and put an E-Meter in their hands and start asking them questions on this without getting the same response as you'd get from your classmates on it. They would know nothing about this.

Now, you take preclear after preclear after preclear after preclear. You put them on E-Meters, you try to run them, you try to do this, you try to do that, straight on through, and you'll find in each and every case you're finding the phenomenon of entities, bodies in pawn, communications, spaceships, other planets, locations, beingness in other states and all of this; and you'll find this to be a consistent condition. You have fulfilled this definition of the MEST universe. It's evidently agreed upon. And it's agreed upon because - it's actually true. You couldn't go out and get somebody off the street and put an E-Meter in their hands and start asking them questions on this without getting the same response as you'd get from your classmates on it. They would know nothing about this.

I took a little girl one night during a demonstration and put her on the E-Meter and this little kid - I started to question her, and I was going to ask her about something just to show the class what the series of questions would be about current life. And the next thing you knew, this little kid was shaking in such a degree that the chair legs were rattling against the floor. And she says, "You mustn't ask me any questions. You mustn't ask me any questions. You mustn't, you mustn't, you mustn't." She was going all to pieces on the thing.

I took a little girl one night during a demonstration and put her on the E-Meter and this little kid - I started to question her, and I was going to ask her about something just to show the class what the series of questions would be about current life. And the next thing you knew, this little kid was shaking in such a degree that the chair legs were rattling against the floor. And she says, "You mustn't ask me any questions. You mustn't ask me any questions. You mustn't, you mustn't, you mustn't." She was going all to pieces on the thing.

And I said, "Well, of course, it's perfectly all right for me to ask you questions," so on. "Where are you!"

And I said, "Well, of course, it's perfectly all right for me to ask you questions," so on. "Where are you!"

And she said, "I'm sitting before a big panel." And she says, "It's - it's - I didn't USED to sit there, I'm sitting there right now. That's me. I sit in front of this panel. This is my job! This is my job. I'm not supposed to tell you what my job is, but there's this panel," and so forth.

And she said, "I'm sitting before a big panel." And she says, "It's - it's - I didn't USED to sit there, I'm sitting there right now. That's me. I sit in front of this panel. This is my job! This is my job. I'm not supposed to tell you what my job is, but there's this panel," and so forth.

I said, "It's a communicator switchboard?"

I said, "It's a communicator switchboard?"

"NO-O-O!" And she just starts going on.

"NO-O-O!" And she just starts going on.

I said, "Well, you wouldn't mind telling me the codes that go across the panel" and she passed right straight on out. Interesting, isn't it!

I said, "Well, you wouldn't mind telling me the codes that go across the panel" and she passed right straight on out. Interesting, isn't it!

She'd never heard of bodies in pawn or other governments or invader forces or anything of the sort. So I snapped her around and carried on with the rest of the questioning, and was simply able to do so because I happen to know - this is a very funny thing to say, but I happen to know her commanding officer! And gave her - silly, isn't it! - and gave her the messages which had gone across herqanel an hour before, at which moment she immediately quieted down.

She'd never heard of bodies in pawn or other governments or invader forces or anything of the sort. So I snapped her around and carried on with the rest of the questioning, and was simply able to do so because I happen to know - this is a very funny thing to say, but I happen to know her commanding officer! And gave her - silly, isn't it! - and gave her the messages which had gone across herqanel an hour before, at which moment she immediately quieted down.

And she says, "Well, I'II probably be taken all to pieces in the morning."

And she says, "Well, I'II probably be taken all to pieces in the morning."

And so I said, "No, you will not be." And she wasn't. But she was a communicator who was running a communications switchboard.

And so I said, "No, you will not be." And she wasn't. But she was a communicator who was running a communications switchboard.

Now, another time, just to give you a consistency on this, another time in front of a class much as this one, I picked up a girl, put the electrodes (terminals) in her hand, and started to ask her about this and that, and we find her sitting in front of a communication switchboard. Girl knows nothing about electronics. If you told her to describe to you how to answer a telephone, she would probably bog on it a bit, and yet she is a communicator. She's a communicator in a system known as the space stations.

Now, another time, just to give you a consistency on this, another time in front of a class much as this one, I picked up a girl, put the electrodes (terminals) in her hand, and started to ask her about this and that, and we find her sitting in front of a communication switchboard. Girl knows nothing about electronics. If you told her to describe to you how to answer a telephone, she would probably bog on it a bit, and yet she is a communicator. She's a communicator in a system known as the space stations.

The space stations exist out here in the solar system. They use the asteroids. It's a very peculiar system. This solar system has a planet which is broken up, the asteroid belt. It gives a low-gravity platform for takeoff and so on, and that broken planet is of considerable interest as a space station, that is to say a galactic jump.

The space stations exist out here in the solar system. They use the asteroids. It's a very peculiar system. This solar system has a planet which is broken up, the asteroid belt. It gives a low-gravity platform for takeoff and so on, and that broken planet is of considerable interest as a space station, that is to say a galactic jump.

Now, there aren't any planets up at this end of the galaxy which form a good galactic entering spot for incoming transport and other ships. But this beautiful, broken-up planet here with a light-gravity sun and so on, makes a very ideal spot.

Now, there aren't any planets up at this end of the galaxy which form a good galactic entering spot for incoming transport and other ships. But this beautiful, broken-up planet here with a light-gravity sun and so on, makes a very ideal spot.

And as a result, this area of the solar system got into prominence. It got into a little bit of prominence, and it's slightly a bone of contention.

And as a result, this area of the solar system got into prominence. It got into a little bit of prominence, and it's slightly a bone of contention.

And there was - the Fourth Invader Force was here. The Fifth Invader Force came in to use this area, and the name of this solar system is Space Station 33. They started to use this area without suspecting that the Fourth Invader Force had been there for God knows how many skillion years, had been sitting down, and they have their installations up on Mars, and they have a tremendous, screened operation.

And there was - the Fourth Invader Force was here. The Fifth Invader Force came in to use this area, and the name of this solar system is Space Station 33. They started to use this area without suspecting that the Fourth Invader Force had been there for God knows how many skillion years, had been sitting down, and they have their installations up on Mars, and they have a tremendous, screened operation.

The Martian operation is a fascinating operation, simply because it has gone into 100 percent holding force. And it does everything it does with tremendous coversion. It's sitting behind a defense screen of enormous size, and nobody - it's practically impossible to penetrate that, except as a thetan. And if you penetrate it as a thetan, you go through the Martian screen, and they got you!

The Martian operation is a fascinating operation, simply because it has gone into 100 percent holding force. And it does everything it does with tremendous coversion. It's sitting behind a defense screen of enormous size, and nobody - it's practically impossible to penetrate that, except as a thetan. And if you penetrate it as a thetan, you go through the Martian screen, and they got you!

Well, now, the point is that the Fifth Invader Force operated for some little time here in this system without suspecting the existence of the Fourth Invader Force. And all of a sudden they started to lose crews, and they didn't know where they were going. And they got a little more upset about it and a little more upset about it and a little more upset about it.

Well, now, the point is that the Fifth Invader Force operated for some little time here in this system without suspecting the existence of the Fourth Invader Force. And all of a sudden they started to lose crews, and they didn't know where they were going. And they got a little more upset about it and a little more upset about it and a little more upset about it.

And a battalion was sent down here to Earth 8,200 years ago, the Third Battalion. If you find somebody who is a member of the Third Battalion, why, speak up. Because the whole battalion, its officers, staff and so forth, was under the command of the expeditionary force commanding officer for this - not for just this area.

And a battalion was sent down here to Earth 8,200 years ago, the Third Battalion. If you find somebody who is a member of the Third Battalion, why, speak up. Because the whole battalion, its officers, staff and so forth, was under the command of the expeditionary force commanding officer for this - not for just this area.

All right. Now, this sounds awfully wild. It just sounds terrifically incredible, but that's just incredible in the frame of reference of Earth. Actually, this isn't very incredible.

All right. Now, this sounds awfully wild. It just sounds terrifically incredible, but that's just incredible in the frame of reference of Earth. Actually, this isn't very incredible.

So 8,200 years ago, they came down in the Himalayas, the upper headlands, up about, oh, I'd say about seventy-two miles northwest of Khyber Pass, and put a base in there, and still not believing that there was anything like an invader force operating in this system, failed to take any vaguest precautions with regard to their installations. They put up no defenses; after all, what was here! Nothing but Homo Sapiens. That was just nothing, no danger, no menace, and so on.

So 8,200 years ago, they came down in the Himalayas, the upper headlands, up about, oh, I'd say about seventy-two miles northwest of Khyber Pass, and put a base in there, and still not believing that there was anything like an invader force operating in this system, failed to take any vaguest precautions with regard to their installations. They put up no defenses; after all, what was here! Nothing but Homo Sapiens. That was just nothing, no danger, no menace, and so on.

And they were in this installation just a very short time when all of a sudden, with a terrific crash, the Fourth Invader Force, which was a little more active then than it has become since, knocked out this whole battalion (a battalion of that size is in the neighborhood of about three thousand beings) and picked up all of its staff, all of its staff officers and so forth, and took them through to Mars and then knocked them back into this human race here. They're still here. There are saucer crews here; there's all sorts of things on Earth here from the Fifth Invader Force. Very interesting. This is directly and violently in opposition to the Fourth Invader Force. And the Fifth Invader Force, out of its own protection, took over Venus - oh, relatively in modern times - took over Venus and tried to stabilize the Venusian.

And they were in this installation just a very short time when all of a sudden, with a terrific crash, the Fourth Invader Force, which was a little more active then than it has become since, knocked out this whole battalion (a battalion of that size is in the neighborhood of about three thousand beings) and picked up all of its staff, all of its staff officers and so forth, and took them through to Mars and then knocked them back into this human race here. They're still here. There are saucer crews here; there's all sorts of things on Earth here from the Fifth Invader Force. Very interesting. This is directly and violently in opposition to the Fourth Invader Force. And the Fifth Invader Force, out of its own protection, took over Venus - oh, relatively in modern times - took over Venus and tried to stabilize the Venusian.

If you called a Fifth Invader, though, a Venusian, he would probably shoot you out of hand, because it would be a horrible insult. They merely monitor the government of Venus, and they leave Mars strictly alone.

If you called a Fifth Invader, though, a Venusian, he would probably shoot you out of hand, because it would be a horrible insult. They merely monitor the government of Venus, and they leave Mars strictly alone.

Now, this is really, roughly, a rundown of the quote "political" situation in the solar system.

Now, this is really, roughly, a rundown of the quote "political" situation in the solar system.

Now, that's very interesting, because it gives you, as preclears, bodies in pawn of the Fourth Invader Force. It gives you tremendous volume of personnel that have been poured down here for various nefarious purposes, all of them under some kind of a covert direction. Typical game: every goal they've gotten, they have a reason why they can't reach the goal, see! I mean, typical game sort of an implant these people are operating on. They're relatively inefficient. But boy, can they hold on to things. Do they accumulate MEST and that sort of thing.

Now, that's very interesting, because it gives you, as preclears, bodies in pawn of the Fourth Invader Force. It gives you tremendous volume of personnel that have been poured down here for various nefarious purposes, all of them under some kind of a covert direction. Typical game: every goal they've gotten, they have a reason why they can't reach the goal, see! I mean, typical game sort of an implant these people are operating on. They're relatively inefficient. But boy, can they hold on to things. Do they accumulate MEST and that sort of thing.

You've got your big holding operations. And you've got running through this a Fifth Invader Force operation which is strictly, really, disinterested in Earth - not really interested in Earth at all, as such, because Earth is a heavy gravity planet, and who the hell wants a heavy gravity planet!

You've got your big holding operations. And you've got running through this a Fifth Invader Force operation which is strictly, really, disinterested in Earth - not really interested in Earth at all, as such, because Earth is a heavy gravity planet, and who the hell wants a heavy gravity planet!

Earth would be much better off lying in chunks in an orbit around the sun. But naturally, that's a pretty rough assignment, blowing up something this size and putting it around, so nobody would do that.

Earth would be much better off lying in chunks in an orbit around the sun. But naturally, that's a pretty rough assignment, blowing up something this size and putting it around, so nobody would do that.

But completely aside from that fact, Earth has been used consistently as a prison; and it is a prison, and it is heavily screened. There are installations in Mongolia, there are installations in the Pyrenees here on Earth, and there are installations down in the Mountains ot the Moon in Africa which pick up, very often, people on death.

But completely aside from that fact, Earth has been used consistently as a prison; and it is a prison, and it is heavily screened. There are installations in Mongolia, there are installations in the Pyrenees here on Earth, and there are installations down in the Mountains ot the Moon in Africa which pick up, very often, people on death.

And the thetan just doesn't know what's going on. He's in a state of deep hypnosis, really, and the moment he finds himself in association with a dead body, the thing keys and he reports to where he's supposed to go. And he's changed and moved around here and there and comes back down.

And the thetan just doesn't know what's going on. He's in a state of deep hypnosis, really, and the moment he finds himself in association with a dead body, the thing keys and he reports to where he's supposed to go. And he's changed and moved around here and there and comes back down.

Really, from death back to assumption of a new body and so on, is ordinarily a time period of about fifteen minutes, and he has three engrams in those fifteen minutes: 1) The death, 2) The wipeout and implant between lives, and 3) The assumption - knocking out the GE and taking over a body at birth. Very interesting.

Really, from death back to assumption of a new body and so on, is ordinarily a time period of about fifteen minutes, and he has three engrams in those fifteen minutes: 1) The death, 2) The wipeout and implant between lives, and 3) The assumption - knocking out the GE and taking over a body at birth. Very interesting.

All right. You'll run into these things with pcs. That's the only reason I'm talking to you about it, not to romance with you.

All right. You'll run into these things with pcs. That's the only reason I'm talking to you about it, not to romance with you.

A body in pawn utilizes not the thetan but ridges. Here's some of the most fascinating things. They'll take a thetan and they'll build up ridges, and these ridges will act like personalities, and because their wavelength is known, they can be monitored.

A body in pawn utilizes not the thetan but ridges. Here's some of the most fascinating things. They'll take a thetan and they'll build up ridges, and these ridges will act like personalities, and because their wavelength is known, they can be monitored.

So you'll very often run into entities. And there are a certain number of entities and they're in a certain order and so on, and they act like beings in a person, but they are not beings. And you want to know how to get rid of an entity. A couple of auditors here have run into this problem in the last week and that's why I'm going over this ground with you.

So you'll very often run into entities. And there are a certain number of entities and they're in a certain order and so on, and they act like beings in a person, but they are not beings. And you want to know how to get rid of an entity. A couple of auditors here have run into this problem in the last week and that's why I'm going over this ground with you.

Actually, this is covered to a very marked degree in the course books, and it's covered in "What to Audit" (History of Man), not perhaps with the frankness that I'm covering it with you now, but it's covered.

Actually, this is covered to a very marked degree in the course books, and it's covered in "What to Audit" (History of Man), not perhaps with the frankness that I'm covering it with you now, but it's covered.

Now, how do you get rid of an entity? You simply find where that entity is located geographically in the body. You do this with an E-Meter. Your next step is to find out where the entity is stuck on the time track. And you'll find out that it's some sort of an incident having to do with a body in pawn, it'll be a between-lives implant; it'll be something on this order.

Now, how do you get rid of an entity? You simply find where that entity is located geographically in the body. You do this with an E-Meter. Your next step is to find out where the entity is stuck on the time track. And you'll find out that it's some sort of an incident having to do with a body in pawn, it'll be a between-lives implant; it'll be something on this order.

It may be that you will find that the person during an operation has suddenly conceived that he is dead, has reported back in. He obviously was not dead, and what they did was lay onto one of his ridges - which he took right along with him, of course - lay onto one of his ridges the fact that he mustn't know and he mustn't tell. Very often, when he appeared back in a body with the violence of pain of an accident or something of this sort, he killed the body in pawn to which he was very nebulously attached while he was here.

It may be that you will find that the person during an operation has suddenly conceived that he is dead, has reported back in. He obviously was not dead, and what they did was lay onto one of his ridges - which he took right along with him, of course - lay onto one of his ridges the fact that he mustn't know and he mustn't tell. Very often, when he appeared back in a body with the violence of pain of an accident or something of this sort, he killed the body in pawn to which he was very nebulously attached while he was here.

Body in pawn: something floating in fluid or under an electronic - constant electronic bath. You'll find these described. They're lying on a pallet or something of the sort; the body is completely motionless. And at the foot of this will be something that looks like a window, and it's not a window.

Body in pawn: something floating in fluid or under an electronic - constant electronic bath. You'll find these described. They're lying on a pallet or something of the sort; the body is completely motionless. And at the foot of this will be something that looks like a window, and it's not a window.

Now, here's a big joke for you. You can take a preclear and coax him to knock off a body in pawn, make the body dive through one of those quote "windows", make him raise enough hubbub and hurrah so that he'll be gunned down by guards, or something of the sort. It's really not much of a shock because, you see, he's not in that body. He's just nebulously monitored by that body, because somebody can walk in, stir up the body, give the body a command, and he himself will perceive the command. This is a relay system of ridges.

Now, here's a big joke for you. You can take a preclear and coax him to knock off a body in pawn, make the body dive through one of those quote "windows", make him raise enough hubbub and hurrah so that he'll be gunned down by guards, or something of the sort. It's really not much of a shock because, you see, he's not in that body. He's just nebulously monitored by that body, because somebody can walk in, stir up the body, give the body a command, and he himself will perceive the command. This is a relay system of ridges.

Now, if you get rid of one of those things, run out the point where the ridge is stuck on the time track. You just run it out as an incident.

Now, if you get rid of one of those things, run out the point where the ridge is stuck on the time track. You just run it out as an incident.

You ask the preclear to move into that area of his body and push on through the incident as though it happened to him. And he will tell you in a moment or two, "But this didn't happen to me, this is just lying here". Up to that time he thought it happened to him. It didn't really. What it was, was a facsimile laid down on one of his ridges. And you will find that as many as five or more bodies in pawn are being held here and there throughout the universe for one preclear.

You ask the preclear to move into that area of his body and push on through the incident as though it happened to him. And he will tell you in a moment or two, "But this didn't happen to me, this is just lying here". Up to that time he thought it happened to him. It didn't really. What it was, was a facsimile laid down on one of his ridges. And you will find that as many as five or more bodies in pawn are being held here and there throughout the universe for one preclear.

All they do is take a - the phenomenon of ridge, you see, and they throw a facsimile into play on that ridge, and the person can be monitored.

All they do is take a - the phenomenon of ridge, you see, and they throw a facsimile into play on that ridge, and the person can be monitored.

Now, the most horrible of the entities is the stomach-area entity, because it's in conflict with the GE. This entity is quite often responsible for nervous stomachs and so forth.

Now, the most horrible of the entities is the stomach-area entity, because it's in conflict with the GE. This entity is quite often responsible for nervous stomachs and so forth.

If you want to know something about coldblooded brutality and why people here on Earth are so completely, horribly fixated on "let's be kind," and "let's get it organized one way or the other," it is the utter, brutal disregard for beingness which you find throughout the systems. What you have here and consider humanitarian and so forth is a very interestingly built-up system. There's a cast system which is exercised in other parts of the solar system which would appall the most viciously minded duke who ever lived here on Earth. There's slavery, and what men are put to in that slavery, how men are treated and so forth.

If you want to know something about coldblooded brutality and why people here on Earth are so completely, horribly fixated on "let's be kind," and "let's get it organized one way or the other," it is the utter, brutal disregard for beingness which you find throughout the systems. What you have here and consider humanitarian and so forth is a very interestingly built-up system. There's a cast system which is exercised in other parts of the solar system which would appall the most viciously minded duke who ever lived here on Earth. There's slavery, and what men are put to in that slavery, how men are treated and so forth.

Now, for instance, the body in pawn, which will have something to do with this stomach entity, the stomach entity has become so terrified, they will actually go along and just kick it or shove needles into it or something, to make a pain shock come down and hit somebody here on Earth.

Now, for instance, the body in pawn, which will have something to do with this stomach entity, the stomach entity has become so terrified, they will actually go along and just kick it or shove needles into it or something, to make a pain shock come down and hit somebody here on Earth.

They're fed with forced, quite often fed with a sort of a - oh, a paste of some sort, and it's put in something that looks like a grease gun, you see! You just stuff the nozzle of the grease gun down the throat and push this thing down that feeds - that's feeding. Really very interesting.

They're fed with forced, quite often fed with a sort of a - oh, a paste of some sort, and it's put in something that looks like a grease gun, you see! You just stuff the nozzle of the grease gun down the throat and push this thing down that feeds - that's feeding. Really very interesting.

But you can keep a body alive for an awful long time under these condition - you'll find people who've had bodies in pawn for some ten thousand years. They just go up and give this body just a little bit of a tremble, of course, and it just comes completely to pieces. Well now, as far as reality of this stuff is concerned, it has not generally been accepted here on Earth that such things existed. But I notice that we have what's known as science fiction here on Earth. I notice we have that. And noticing it many, many, many years ago, I thought, "This is a good gag", so I wrote a lot of it.

But you can keep a body alive for an awful long time under these condition - you'll find people who've had bodies in pawn for some ten thousand years. They just go up and give this body just a little bit of a tremble, of course, and it just comes completely to pieces. Well now, as far as reality of this stuff is concerned, it has not generally been accepted here on Earth that such things existed. But I notice that we have what's known as science fiction here on Earth. I notice we have that. And noticing it many, many, many years ago, I thought, "This is a good gag", so I wrote a lot of it.

You wouldn't dare write real science fiction - not real science fiction. Nobody's guts could take it, that's all there is to that.

You wouldn't dare write real science fiction - not real science fiction. Nobody's guts could take it, that's all there is to that.

So you're looking around for brutality and what's mauling your preclear around and why he's in apathy and so forth - you better readjust your sights again as to what it takes to aberrate a being. It takes plenty! Takes a terrific magnitude of incident to do anything to a thetan - up in the billion volt category.

So you're looking around for brutality and what's mauling your preclear around and why he's in apathy and so forth - you better readjust your sights again as to what it takes to aberrate a being. It takes plenty! Takes a terrific magnitude of incident to do anything to a thetan - up in the billion volt category.

All right. Now, as I say, this sounds science-fictiony. Well, don't let it sound science-fictiony to you, because the truth be told, it's not science fiction. In the first place, it's not fiction, and it really isn't very closely resembling what you read and call science fiction. Science fiction is just a very chimerical sort of a picture of it. Space is wild. There aren't any writers down here and there's no audience down here that could take real stuff about space. It's wild! And ...

All right. Now, as I say, this sounds science-fictiony. Well, don't let it sound science-fictiony to you, because the truth be told, it's not science fiction. In the first place, it's not fiction, and it really isn't very closely resembling what you read and call science fiction. Science fiction is just a very chimerical sort of a picture of it. Space is wild. There aren't any writers down here and there's no audience down here that could take real stuff about space. It's wild! And ...

Well, let me tell you a little story. This isn't just a story. One of the Fifth Invader Force, an officer, came down here to take a survey, and this is very adventurous. And in order to take a decent survey of the place - of course, you understand the Fifth Invader Force officer carries a doll. They don't carry bodies, they carry dolls. Their identification is a doll. It's a very little, flimsy, mechanical affair that you can make talk and walk and so forth. They're cute, they're about a meter tall, they're very light. Therefore, you don't need, you see - you don't use oxygen in saucers. And all of this stuff in science fiction is just rococo. Boy, it's rococo beyond rococo. It's just simple beyond simplicity. You have this little doll, and the thetan energy that a fellow puts out is quite sufficient to monitor the control switchboard in the back of the doll, that's all. I mean, simple. And he tunes it up, he's got his wavelength tuned to it and so on and it's - he can walk it around and ...

Well, let me tell you a little story. This isn't just a story. One of the Fifth Invader Force, an officer, came down here to take a survey, and this is very adventurous. And in order to take a decent survey of the place - of course, you understand the Fifth Invader Force officer carries a doll. They don't carry bodies, they carry dolls. Their identification is a doll. It's a very little, flimsy, mechanical affair that you can make talk and walk and so forth. They're cute, they're about a meter tall, they're very light. Therefore, you don't need, you see - you don't use oxygen in saucers. And all of this stuff in science fiction is just rococo. Boy, it's rococo beyond rococo. It's just simple beyond simplicity. You have this little doll, and the thetan energy that a fellow puts out is quite sufficient to monitor the control switchboard in the back of the doll, that's all. I mean, simple. And he tunes it up, he's got his wavelength tuned to it and so on and it's - he can walk it around and ...

He has, at the same time - in installations, he has what you would classify as human beings. I mean, there are people in bodies who are doing work in various installations out through the system. Bodies exist.

He has, at the same time - in installations, he has what you would classify as human beings. I mean, there are people in bodies who are doing work in various installations out through the system. Bodies exist.

But I'm talking about officers, they're a pretty high order of thetan. So, here's a doll. He's monitoring this doll.

But I'm talking about officers, they're a pretty high order of thetan. So, here's a doll. He's monitoring this doll.

And he parked his doll and picked up one of the persons connected with the ruling house of Hapsburg and went on a survey of the domain, and took notes on it. And unfortunately, he didn't have any foggy notion of how violently this particular prince was hated. And this prince was assassinated. And before this officer could disconnect and so forth, the thetan charge which suddenly sprung up in the assassinated prince, KABOOM!, was sufficient to overwhelm and overpower this officer momentarily, and he went through the screen.

And he parked his doll and picked up one of the persons connected with the ruling house of Hapsburg and went on a survey of the domain, and took notes on it. And unfortunately, he didn't have any foggy notion of how violently this particular prince was hated. And this prince was assassinated. And before this officer could disconnect and so forth, the thetan charge which suddenly sprung up in the assassinated prince, KABOOM!, was sufficient to overwhelm and overpower this officer momentarily, and he went through the screen.

I'm telling you this because it's an average story, not a spectacular story, not because it's different, but because it's the same.

I'm telling you this because it's an average story, not a spectacular story, not because it's different, but because it's the same.

And he went through the screen, KABOOM! And he landed on an installation - well, about a few hundred miles north of the equator (what you would consider north, just trying to translate the words and directions) on Mars. Boom! He went through. And the Martians "Oh, boy! What have we got here? Ha Ha! Wonderful, Wonderful! A high volume thetan! He must be a space officer from some place or other."

And he went through the screen, KABOOM! And he landed on an installation - well, about a few hundred miles north of the equator (what you would consider north, just trying to translate the words and directions) on Mars. Boom! He went through. And the Martians "Oh, boy! What have we got here? Ha Ha! Wonderful, Wonderful! A high volume thetan! He must be a space officer from some place or other."

So, they took a couple of standards, put them down at the foot of the cell and so forth, because they have a good identification through a body in pawn and so forth, and they decided they were going to use him back here against Earth. He wouldn't transport! So they just threw him in the clink, you might say, and kept him there. Just kept him there and kept him there an kept him there and kept him there.

So, they took a couple of standards, put them down at the foot of the cell and so forth, because they have a good identification through a body in pawn and so forth, and they decided they were going to use him back here against Earth. He wouldn't transport! So they just threw him in the clink, you might say, and kept him there. Just kept him there and kept him there an kept him there and kept him there.

And one fine day he took the body in pawn and threw it through the guard screen and blew it up - was able to do this - and himself got free on the back-concussion, you see, of this explosion, and went out.

And one fine day he took the body in pawn and threw it through the guard screen and blew it up - was able to do this - and himself got free on the back-concussion, you see, of this explosion, and went out.

He went back down to a station we'll call "X" and said, "Where have I been for the last twenty-seven years! Hmph!" Something of - on the order, "You should ask!" And he wrote out a chit, and they got a couple of cruisers and they put together a few commando forces and they took that installation to pieces - but thoroughly to pieces. And they took what Martians were in that installation and so forth, and put them in cans. As far as anybody knows, they're still up there. But blew this thing practically off the face of the map. Most Martian stations are much tougher than this to crack.

He went back down to a station we'll call "X" and said, "Where have I been for the last twenty-seven years! Hmph!" Something of - on the order, "You should ask!" And he wrote out a chit, and they got a couple of cruisers and they put together a few commando forces and they took that installation to pieces - but thoroughly to pieces. And they took what Martians were in that installation and so forth, and put them in cans. As far as anybody knows, they're still up there. But blew this thing practically off the face of the map. Most Martian stations are much tougher than this to crack.

That's an incident of the tiniest character in a person operating ... Now, I'm telling you that incident because it's a fairly modern incident in the last few hundred years.

That's an incident of the tiniest character in a person operating ... Now, I'm telling you that incident because it's a fairly modern incident in the last few hundred years.

You'll find lots of incidents like this in your preclears, and lots of background like this. And they can't understand why their values are this way, and why their values are that way. And they're trying to fit the most outrageous set of Earth values up against the values which they have had for God knows how long, and they just won't mesh. And this assists in the oblivion that you find people in.

You'll find lots of incidents like this in your preclears, and lots of background like this. And they can't understand why their values are this way, and why their values are that way. And they're trying to fit the most outrageous set of Earth values up against the values which they have had for God knows how long, and they just won't mesh. And this assists in the oblivion that you find people in.

By the way, this is a matter of small interest, within the next century, that same officer had completed his survey back down here, and is up on one of the space stations now.

By the way, this is a matter of small interest, within the next century, that same officer had completed his survey back down here, and is up on one of the space stations now.

But you see, you can't be sure exactly what you've got your hands on. And just because I have told you this story, and just because I've mentioned such stories to you (as somebody with a body in pawn for ten thousand years and being monitored and sent all over the place and that sort of thing) is no reason why you should tell it to your preclear. But it gives you a line on what to ask, just a slight lead of question.

But you see, you can't be sure exactly what you've got your hands on. And just because I have told you this story, and just because I've mentioned such stories to you (as somebody with a body in pawn for ten thousand years and being monitored and sent all over the place and that sort of thing) is no reason why you should tell it to your preclear. But it gives you a line on what to ask, just a slight lead of question.

You say, "Where did it happen?"

You say, "Where did it happen?"

He could say Kentucky or Sussex, but he normally won't. He'll say Mars, Venus, or he'll give you some planetary name you never heard of.

He could say Kentucky or Sussex, but he normally won't. He'll say Mars, Venus, or he'll give you some planetary name you never heard of.

You've got to audit these ridges through to get rid of these ridges if you're going to treat the body. But you understand that when we're working with this sort of thing, we are, to a large degree, treating the body. And this is a question of who the hell cares! You're treating a body. Bodies are a nickel a million. If you only knew it, any one of you here, any one of you, could pick himself up the line and go out and pick up any body you see go by. This person is going to die someday; pull him out, pat him on the head and say, "Tsk, Mars" - whhit! They go.

You've got to audit these ridges through to get rid of these ridges if you're going to treat the body. But you understand that when we're working with this sort of thing, we are, to a large degree, treating the body. And this is a question of who the hell cares! You're treating a body. Bodies are a nickel a million. If you only knew it, any one of you here, any one of you, could pick himself up the line and go out and pick up any body you see go by. This person is going to die someday; pull him out, pat him on the head and say, "Tsk, Mars" - whhit! They go.

I mean, it sounds very horrible to you, doesn't it! It sounds like a terrible violation of private rights. That's because you've decided upon a much higher level of action. And yet, what do you know! It happens every once in a while. It happens. You could do this.

I mean, it sounds very horrible to you, doesn't it! It sounds like a terrible violation of private rights. That's because you've decided upon a much higher level of action. And yet, what do you know! It happens every once in a while. It happens. You could do this.

Now, if you are out of your body and stable, and if your preclear is out of his body and stable, the point I'm trying to make is that you have escaped from and stepped sideways from the liability of sudden body shock. If you have done this, all by itself, so that the body can be hurt and so on regardless of the state of knowingness, regardless of the ability to put out energy, regardless of any other of these abilities - you have achieved a knowing immortality for your preclear, or for yourself. You have stepped, actually, out of the line of stimulus-response and being the victim on all of this sort of thing, and of course it makes a tremendous difference to a person. You'd never realize how widely one's values change on such a thing. Because it just doesn't matter how many bodies would kick the bucket. It doesn't matter, you would come up shining on the matter.

Now, if you are out of your body and stable, and if your preclear is out of his body and stable, the point I'm trying to make is that you have escaped from and stepped sideways from the liability of sudden body shock. If you have done this, all by itself, so that the body can be hurt and so on regardless of the state of knowingness, regardless of the ability to put out energy, regardless of any other of these abilities - you have achieved a knowing immortality for your preclear, or for yourself. You have stepped, actually, out of the line of stimulus-response and being the victim on all of this sort of thing, and of course it makes a tremendous difference to a person. You'd never realize how widely one's values change on such a thing. Because it just doesn't matter how many bodies would kick the bucket. It doesn't matter, you would come up shining on the matter.

You want to perfect that skill, because it's the only thing that ever got you in trouble. See, you were unable to stay outside of bodies when they were given a sudden shock or when they were hurt. So get up through the command range on a body; don't stay down along the other level, and actually, what you've bought is an immortality.

You want to perfect that skill, because it's the only thing that ever got you in trouble. See, you were unable to stay outside of bodies when they were given a sudden shock or when they were hurt. So get up through the command range on a body; don't stay down along the other level, and actually, what you've bought is an immortality.

So your body gets knocked off, so what? Very few people have a viewpoint, even when they've been out of their bodies, developed up to the level that it should be. I'm going to give you today some very vital data on this because I've seen that there are two or three points which have not been clearly grasped. And in view of that, why, let's get the data to clearly grasp them,

So your body gets knocked off, so what? Very few people have a viewpoint, even when they've been out of their bodies, developed up to the level that it should be. I'm going to give you today some very vital data on this because I've seen that there are two or three points which have not been clearly grasped. And in view of that, why, let's get the data to clearly grasp them,

Now, I don't care - you can say I'm telling you fairy tales about this sort of thing or something; we won't worry about the credulity or incredulity of the data. Don't force this data on your preclear! Because if you force it on your preclear, you'll throw something into violent restimulation that you'll be sorry for.

Now, I don't care - you can say I'm telling you fairy tales about this sort of thing or something; we won't worry about the credulity or incredulity of the data. Don't force this data on your preclear! Because if you force it on your preclear, you'll throw something into violent restimulation that you'll be sorry for.

But if you find your preclear is having an awful time over something or other in some zone of his body, let's say, some entity is stuck on the time track in that zone and it might be one of the reasons why he can't get out of his body. And if you're going in for the business of cleaning up bodies, you've got to be able to resolve the problem of entities.

But if you find your preclear is having an awful time over something or other in some zone of his body, let's say, some entity is stuck on the time track in that zone and it might be one of the reasons why he can't get out of his body. And if you're going in for the business of cleaning up bodies, you've got to be able to resolve the problem of entities.

And you resolve the problem of entity by finding out where this entity is located in the body and then finding out where it's stuck on the time track, and you will find a death or a transplant or something of the sort occurring at that point. You ask the thetan, the individual, to sort of move into that area and move through that incident and bring that entity up to present time.

And you resolve the problem of entity by finding out where this entity is located in the body and then finding out where it's stuck on the time track, and you will find a death or a transplant or something of the sort occurring at that point. You ask the thetan, the individual, to sort of move into that area and move through that incident and bring that entity up to present time.

Now, he has a tendency to give the entities complete credit for beingness, and the entities don't have beingness; they react to passing energy. The energy goes out from the individual through the entity, and the energy comes out from the environment and goes to the individual and passes through the entity. So the environment can restimulate the entity, the preclear can restimulate this entity, you see? And your preclear looks at this and wonders why in the name of common sense he acts that way.

Now, he has a tendency to give the entities complete credit for beingness, and the entities don't have beingness; they react to passing energy. The energy goes out from the individual through the entity, and the energy comes out from the environment and goes to the individual and passes through the entity. So the environment can restimulate the entity, the preclear can restimulate this entity, you see? And your preclear looks at this and wonders why in the name of common sense he acts that way.

It's because when he puts out energy in that direction, that entity, stimulus-response-wise, that ridge goes into effect. And he has no accounting for the fact, because he didn't put anything into effect. And when somebody scolds him suddenly or something of the sort, he's perfectly willing to bite their head off, but instead of that he feels scared to death. Why? This is unaccountable.

It's because when he puts out energy in that direction, that entity, stimulus-response-wise, that ridge goes into effect. And he has no accounting for the fact, because he didn't put anything into effect. And when somebody scolds him suddenly or something of the sort, he's perfectly willing to bite their head off, but instead of that he feels scared to death. Why? This is unaccountable.

So he begins to believe there's something wrong with him. And the truth of the matter is there isn't anything wrong with him. That's the truth. The only thing you could say would be wrong with him is he's - has a lot of ridges around him which have facsimiles on them. And these ridges can be thrown into restimulation, and then he stands there and watches this. So, you see, it's a mystery to him. So he begins to think after a while, "I must be nuts!" No. He's saying, "Yeah, I've got some ..."

So he begins to believe there's something wrong with him. And the truth of the matter is there isn't anything wrong with him. That's the truth. The only thing you could say would be wrong with him is he's - has a lot of ridges around him which have facsimiles on them. And these ridges can be thrown into restimulation, and then he stands there and watches this. So, you see, it's a mystery to him. So he begins to think after a while, "I must be nuts!" No. He's saying, "Yeah, I've got some ..."

There isn't any such thing as a sane entity because there's no such thing as a sane stimulus-response activity. But don't think your entity can't think. It can think. It has a certain low order of beingness, not alive - it's running on the thetan's energy, you see. But because of associative nature of energy and other things, it can think, it can act. You can talk to an entity and have it talk back to you and so on.

There isn't any such thing as a sane entity because there's no such thing as a sane stimulus-response activity. But don't think your entity can't think. It can think. It has a certain low order of beingness, not alive - it's running on the thetan's energy, you see. But because of associative nature of energy and other things, it can think, it can act. You can talk to an entity and have it talk back to you and so on.

You can throw the attention of the thetan around the body so as to restimulate the entities, one after the other. But you do this like this:

You can throw the attention of the thetan around the body so as to restimulate the entities, one after the other. But you do this like this:

Now you say "All right, now this right outboard entity, now I'm talking to this right outboard entity, so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so."

Now you say "All right, now this right outboard entity, now I'm talking to this right outboard entity, so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so."

And this preclear will say, "It says so-and-so and so-and-so." And you could say, "Do you like ice cream!" And he says, "No, it says it doesn't like ice cream."

And this preclear will say, "It says so-and-so and so-and-so." And you could say, "Do you like ice cream!" And he says, "No, it says it doesn't like ice cream."

What you've done, you see, is take the thetan's energy beam and you've thrown it out here onto this ridge, because you said the right outside, didn't you! So that's direct stimulus-response. It's just a ridge and there it sits, and you throw the thetan's energy at it and your energy is going at it; don't omit that point! You're restimulating it, you've got a beam on it and he's got a beam on it, and so of course it'll talk. Cute, very, very humorous mechanism, actually, but people seldom feel like laughing, because they can make a man feel like he's being torn to bits. You talk about fear, and you talk about agony and being pinned down and all the rest of this, this is on these darn ridges.

What you've done, you see, is take the thetan's energy beam and you've thrown it out here onto this ridge, because you said the right outside, didn't you! So that's direct stimulus-response. It's just a ridge and there it sits, and you throw the thetan's energy at it and your energy is going at it; don't omit that point! You're restimulating it, you've got a beam on it and he's got a beam on it, and so of course it'll talk. Cute, very, very humorous mechanism, actually, but people seldom feel like laughing, because they can make a man feel like he's being torn to bits. You talk about fear, and you talk about agony and being pinned down and all the rest of this, this is on these darn ridges.

Now, you're looking at - what I've been describing here - you're looking at the reactive mind. You're not just looking at something that's vaguely like the reactive mind of the first book; you're looking at the reactive mind. The first book could be said to be a description of ridges and the behavior of ridges.

Now, you're looking at - what I've been describing here - you're looking at the reactive mind. You're not just looking at something that's vaguely like the reactive mind of the first book; you're looking at the reactive mind. The first book could be said to be a description of ridges and the behavior of ridges.

If you want to know a lot more about how outrageously ridges can behave and so forth, just read about the reactive mind in Book One, and that is actually the ridge. That's the ridge's behavior.

If you want to know a lot more about how outrageously ridges can behave and so forth, just read about the reactive mind in Book One, and that is actually the ridge. That's the ridge's behavior.

So the reactive mind has geographical locations in the body, is found to be energy ridges on which facsimiles have been affixed. And the stimulus-response character of them causes very, very aberrated behavior.

So the reactive mind has geographical locations in the body, is found to be energy ridges on which facsimiles have been affixed. And the stimulus-response character of them causes very, very aberrated behavior.

They have an associative quality; that is to say, they're this absurd logic that's "one thing mirror another thing" and so forth. But they're down closer to an identity, A=A=A=A, than they are to thinking, really. And that's the way you tell what this thing is: it's reasoning on a A=A=A=A. You can actually ask an entity certain questions and it will give you identity responses.

They have an associative quality; that is to say, they're this absurd logic that's "one thing mirror another thing" and so forth. But they're down closer to an identity, A=A=A=A, than they are to thinking, really. And that's the way you tell what this thing is: it's reasoning on a A=A=A=A. You can actually ask an entity certain questions and it will give you identity responses.

Korzybski. Korzybski, in his tremendous piece of work there, was trying madly to differentiate over, above, around, under, alongside of - and for God's sakes, let's do something about - this A=A=A=A of an electronic ridge to which facsimiles are affixed.

Korzybski. Korzybski, in his tremendous piece of work there, was trying madly to differentiate over, above, around, under, alongside of - and for God's sakes, let's do something about - this A=A=A=A of an electronic ridge to which facsimiles are affixed.

Now, you want to know routes out of this trouble, how you get away from this trouble, he points out a route. His route, however...

Now, you want to know routes out of this trouble, how you get away from this trouble, he points out a route. His route, however...

Although Hayakawag and some of the boys in general semantics believe there's a therapy involved in it, there isn't. You can train and train and train and train and train, when you're training into differentiation, and all you're doing is training in a secondary circuit response.

Although Hayakawag and some of the boys in general semantics believe there's a therapy involved in it, there isn't. You can train and train and train and train and train, when you're training into differentiation, and all you're doing is training in a secondary circuit response.

The fellow starts to identify, and then he gets very carerful and differentiates. Well now, he's got a circuit set up that differentiates what he started to identify.

The fellow starts to identify, and then he gets very carerful and differentiates. Well now, he's got a circuit set up that differentiates what he started to identify.

And of course, all you're doing, really, is giving a lot of credit to some ridge. You're giving the ridge credit of beingness, and the guy will get worse, he won't get better. So watch crediting ridges! That's true, isn't it!

And of course, all you're doing, really, is giving a lot of credit to some ridge. You're giving the ridge credit of beingness, and the guy will get worse, he won't get better. So watch crediting ridges! That's true, isn't it!

Female voice: Yes.

Female voice: Yes.

You've watched that happen.

You've watched that happen.

Female voice: Preclear got worse when you audited ridges.

Female voice: Preclear got worse when you audited ridges.

That's right.

That's right.

So, if you must be concerned with the body - The thetan, when he moves out, will generally leave the bulk of these ridges in the body. If he moves out knowingly, he just leaves these ridges, and these ridges are sitting in the body and so on. But he has built them up and he's carried them around and he's pulled them in and he's done these various things with them; he's finally fixed this body with a great many ridges.

So, if you must be concerned with the body - The thetan, when he moves out, will generally leave the bulk of these ridges in the body. If he moves out knowingly, he just leaves these ridges, and these ridges are sitting in the body and so on. But he has built them up and he's carried them around and he's pulled them in and he's done these various things with them; he's finally fixed this body with a great many ridges.

But these ridges have a very strict pattern, they have a very strict behavior, and this outrageous story I have been telling you about space stations and all that sort of thing is very muchly responsible for the state and action - the weird, insane character - of these darn ridges today.

But these ridges have a very strict pattern, they have a very strict behavior, and this outrageous story I have been telling you about space stations and all that sort of thing is very muchly responsible for the state and action - the weird, insane character - of these darn ridges today.

Now, you're going to find preclears once in a while who will start giving you messages. Of course, they're on a communication line, why shouldn't they give you messages!

Now, you're going to find preclears once in a while who will start giving you messages. Of course, they're on a communication line, why shouldn't they give you messages!

Some guard has been walking past some cell where there's a body in pawn, and all of a sudden this body stirs. Bodies are not supposed to do that. So he says, "Oh-oh, somebody just died." But then it doesn't stir the way a body stirs when it just died. He'll say, "Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, somebody is monkeying around." Probably a few years ago they said, "Oh, some damn hypnotist. Nobody will believe him anyway." They didn't do too much about it. But that's not been the case here in the last year or so. They've been fascinated!

Some guard has been walking past some cell where there's a body in pawn, and all of a sudden this body stirs. Bodies are not supposed to do that. So he says, "Oh-oh, somebody just died." But then it doesn't stir the way a body stirs when it just died. He'll say, "Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, somebody is monkeying around." Probably a few years ago they said, "Oh, some damn hypnotist. Nobody will believe him anyway." They didn't do too much about it. But that's not been the case here in the last year or so. They've been fascinated!

And they're just about as helpless as babies in diapers, because they've got a holding operation. They're guilty of tremendous overt acts themselves; they have no method of attack; they have been influencing via the mind for so long that they've actually lost their initiative to do anything else.

And they're just about as helpless as babies in diapers, because they've got a holding operation. They're guilty of tremendous overt acts themselves; they have no method of attack; they have been influencing via the mind for so long that they've actually lost their initiative to do anything else.

And if anybody was going to do anything to Earth on a violent side, or anybody was going to do anything to people on a violent side, it would be somebody like the Fifth Force. But the Fifth Force has completely opposite interest in Earth; it does not want to do anything to Earth.

And if anybody was going to do anything to Earth on a violent side, or anybody was going to do anything to people on a violent side, it would be somebody like the Fifth Force. But the Fifth Force has completely opposite interest in Earth; it does not want to do anything to Earth.

If anything is protecting Earth at this time, it's the Fifth Force people. But isn't it strange that you will find the Fifth Force people occasionally have a body in pawn here! You'll find an occasional body in pawn from the Fifth Force. And when you do, when you do, it'll be a different proposition, because it's monitored by consent; the guy is here with a comm line set up. And he's almost in a state of knowingness concerning exactly where he came from and what he's doing. It's a different proposition entirely.

If anything is protecting Earth at this time, it's the Fifth Force people. But isn't it strange that you will find the Fifth Force people occasionally have a body in pawn here! You'll find an occasional body in pawn from the Fifth Force. And when you do, when you do, it'll be a different proposition, because it's monitored by consent; the guy is here with a comm line set up. And he's almost in a state of knowingness concerning exactly where he came from and what he's doing. It's a different proposition entirely.

You have the difference between a young, ambitious race, you might say, and an old, decayed, caved-in race, and the two just don't mesh. They don't fight on the same battleground or anything. So there's no active concept involved here of battle or action beyond this insidious action through the mind.

You have the difference between a young, ambitious race, you might say, and an old, decayed, caved-in race, and the two just don't mesh. They don't fight on the same battleground or anything. So there's no active concept involved here of battle or action beyond this insidious action through the mind.

We all of a sudden find Russia and the United States going to War. Why? Silly, huh!

We all of a sudden find Russia and the United States going to War. Why? Silly, huh!

Everything would militate in favor of peace, and yet the most insane things will suddenly happen.

Everything would militate in favor of peace, and yet the most insane things will suddenly happen.

Some joker in the US will sudden!v order all the ships into port at Pearl Harbor. Suddenly, inexplicably. And then fix it up so that none of the messages to warn Pearl Harbor get there. Insists on putting them all in top-secret code.

Some joker in the US will sudden!v order all the ships into port at Pearl Harbor. Suddenly, inexplicably. And then fix it up so that none of the messages to warn Pearl Harbor get there. Insists on putting them all in top-secret code.

Here, are telephones lying all over the place. Pick up the telephone and say, "Hey, we just got word there were a couple of Japanese aircraft carriers standing right off Pearl Harbor, and I know we told you all to go into port there in the last three days and secure for an admiral's inspection, and take all the ammunition out of your magazine and put it below with the ready boxes and that sort of thing. But, you know, there's a little danger here of a fight starting and just a few hours ago you sunk a Japanese submarine right outside the harbor, and how about snapping and popping and getting on the ball there. And you probably ought to be able to put the ammunition back in the ready boxes, and maybe a few of those ships get out of port just in case, just in case.

Here, are telephones lying all over the place. Pick up the telephone and say, "Hey, we just got word there were a couple of Japanese aircraft carriers standing right off Pearl Harbor, and I know we told you all to go into port there in the last three days and secure for an admiral's inspection, and take all the ammunition out of your magazine and put it below with the ready boxes and that sort of thing. But, you know, there's a little danger here of a fight starting and just a few hours ago you sunk a Japanese submarine right outside the harbor, and how about snapping and popping and getting on the ball there. And you probably ought to be able to put the ammunition back in the ready boxes, and maybe a few of those ships get out of port just in case, just in case.

Oh, no. No, no. Ha-ha. No. We'll go and find the admirals and the generals, and we'll find they're all at parties. So we'll have a conference with them tomorrow, and then tomorrow, tomorrow we'll put it all in code that takes about two hours to encode, and then it'll have to be two hours to decode, and we'll get that word of warning to Pearl Harbor at 10:00 A.M. Pearl Harbor time Sunday.

Oh, no. No, no. Ha-ha. No. We'll go and find the admirals and the generals, and we'll find they're all at parties. So we'll have a conference with them tomorrow, and then tomorrow, tomorrow we'll put it all in code that takes about two hours to encode, and then it'll have to be two hours to decode, and we'll get that word of warning to Pearl Harbor at 10:00 A.M. Pearl Harbor time Sunday.

Mm-hm, how do things like this happen! The men that did those, if stood up and asked bluntly where their loyalty and what their actions were and intentions, you would find out that they were completely sincere in their jobs, just completely sincere. I mean, they intended to do the very best they could for people and nations and everything else. But all of a sudden, from some quarter, in sails one of these wild ones, one of these terrifically wild tidbits of business that you just say "Huh, can't exist!"

Mm-hm, how do things like this happen! The men that did those, if stood up and asked bluntly where their loyalty and what their actions were and intentions, you would find out that they were completely sincere in their jobs, just completely sincere. I mean, they intended to do the very best they could for people and nations and everything else. But all of a sudden, from some quarter, in sails one of these wild ones, one of these terrifically wild tidbits of business that you just say "Huh, can't exist!"

Well, the human race will shadowbox with this for a long time if it remains the human race. It'll keep on doing this. So don't expect that your preclear will be able to explain completely some of his actions during his lifetime - little actions. It's wonderful what small minds can think of as worthy goals - very small minds.

Well, the human race will shadowbox with this for a long time if it remains the human race. It'll keep on doing this. So don't expect that your preclear will be able to explain completely some of his actions during his lifetime - little actions. It's wonderful what small minds can think of as worthy goals - very small minds.

As far as the Martian operation is concerned - ha! I mean, let's all go out and play hopscotch - something real serious. A bunch of old, fat boobs sitting around in the dirt, playing big, important games.

As far as the Martian operation is concerned - ha! I mean, let's all go out and play hopscotch - something real serious. A bunch of old, fat boobs sitting around in the dirt, playing big, important games.

But they're playing an important game which runs an insidious line, and a therapist all of a sudden encounters - because he's trying to make somebody sane - he finds as long (and you will find as long) as you dodge away from this and say, "it doesn't exist" and that sort of thing, that you're going to find a certain number of cases that you aren't going to be able to do anything for. That's just inevitable.

But they're playing an important game which runs an insidious line, and a therapist all of a sudden encounters - because he's trying to make somebody sane - he finds as long (and you will find as long) as you dodge away from this and say, "it doesn't exist" and that sort of thing, that you're going to find a certain number of cases that you aren't going to be able to do anything for. That's just inevitable.

Now, if you want to do something for those extra cases, those additional cases, why, just remember some of this data which you had in the course books and remember some of the data I'm giving you now and you might say to yourself, "Oh no, my God, not that!" and solve the case.

Now, if you want to do something for those extra cases, those additional cases, why, just remember some of this data which you had in the course books and remember some of the data I'm giving you now and you might say to yourself, "Oh no, my God, not that!" and solve the case.

Well, I didn't mean to talk very long-windedly on that subject. I'm sorry, it happens to be something in which I'm interested - as curiosa, of course, strictly - and it's something, if you've got good sense, you won't talk about much out in public.

Well, I didn't mean to talk very long-windedly on that subject. I'm sorry, it happens to be something in which I'm interested - as curiosa, of course, strictly - and it's something, if you've got good sense, you won't talk about much out in public.

Female voice: We'ue really lost nearly all our friends anyway! (audience laughter)

Female voice: We'ue really lost nearly all our friends anyway! (audience laughter)

Oh yes, you have, huh? That's all right. Our real refuge, as far as friends and communication is concerned, is really us. I mean, our refuge is us!

Oh yes, you have, huh? That's all right. Our real refuge, as far as friends and communication is concerned, is really us. I mean, our refuge is us!

Now - oh, by the way, a lot of speculation goes around. Every once in a blue moon, I'11 pull some kind of a gag off; I pulled one a little while ago. I didn't pull it intentionally.

Now - oh, by the way, a lot of speculation goes around. Every once in a blue moon, I'11 pull some kind of a gag off; I pulled one a little while ago. I didn't pull it intentionally.

I say, "Yes, I knew her commanding officer." That happens to be true, but it doesn't mean that I have - let me make my position very clear - that I have any ax to grind" with regard to this. I don't have. I'm not part of this fight.

I say, "Yes, I knew her commanding officer." That happens to be true, but it doesn't mean that I have - let me make my position very clear - that I have any ax to grind" with regard to this. I don't have. I'm not part of this fight.

It's just something that you take a look at and you say, "Oh, no!" And then you get interested, and you get rather partisan about the thing as far as your sentiments are concerned. But it's the partisan of watching a bright, new operation and watching an old, dead operation, and watching an awful lot of beings being terribly unhappy and awfully mucked up and all fouled up like fire drill. For what reason! It's a weird, beautiful reason: So that a planet which could get along very nicely is just running off the rails all the time. I mean, nobody can get anything going on this planet, 1 mean, not - nobody's supposed to get together, and so on.

It's just something that you take a look at and you say, "Oh, no!" And then you get interested, and you get rather partisan about the thing as far as your sentiments are concerned. But it's the partisan of watching a bright, new operation and watching an old, dead operation, and watching an awful lot of beings being terribly unhappy and awfully mucked up and all fouled up like fire drill. For what reason! It's a weird, beautiful reason: So that a planet which could get along very nicely is just running off the rails all the time. I mean, nobody can get anything going on this planet, 1 mean, not - nobody's supposed to get together, and so on.

What benefit is it to anybody! The funny part of it is, it has no benefit! It is in the line of a terrible habit, as far as the Fourth Invader Force is concerned.

What benefit is it to anybody! The funny part of it is, it has no benefit! It is in the line of a terrible habit, as far as the Fourth Invader Force is concerned.

Now, as you go around, you will find there's machinery stuck out here, a lot of it. Just chase your pc around in various directions and the next thing you know, he's going to say, "There's lines going here and there's lines going there, and there's a big machine sitting over here and there's other machines sitting there, and there's..." and so on. Well, don't let him monkey with them too much. Those are Fourth Invader Force machines.

Now, as you go around, you will find there's machinery stuck out here, a lot of it. Just chase your pc around in various directions and the next thing you know, he's going to say, "There's lines going here and there's lines going there, and there's a big machine sitting over here and there's other machines sitting there, and there's..." and so on. Well, don't let him monkey with them too much. Those are Fourth Invader Force machines.

This whole area of this end of the galaxy is booby-trapped. And those machines are bearcats, some of them, to turn off. And although they may look like they're very easy to turn off, it's something like "the picture." The Germans used to use this as a booby trap. They'd put a picture slightly askew over a fireplace or something in a bombed cottage or something, you see! And your own troops would come in, and somebody couldn't resist straightening up the picture! And of course it was trapped, and it would blow up and blow everybody up in the room. They had to straighten up the picture.

This whole area of this end of the galaxy is booby-trapped. And those machines are bearcats, some of them, to turn off. And although they may look like they're very easy to turn off, it's something like "the picture." The Germans used to use this as a booby trap. They'd put a picture slightly askew over a fireplace or something in a bombed cottage or something, you see! And your own troops would come in, and somebody couldn't resist straightening up the picture! And of course it was trapped, and it would blow up and blow everybody up in the room. They had to straighten up the picture.

Now, actually, you have no great interest in these machines, because they can't do very much one way or the other. And the truth of the matter was, if you were to hand a map to the Fifth Invader of some of these machines that you'd found, and that sort of thing, he'd be only too happy to send a cruiser, something of the sort, and blow them off the map. But it'd take a few mega-mega-megavolts to do very much to these machines.

Now, actually, you have no great interest in these machines, because they can't do very much one way or the other. And the truth of the matter was, if you were to hand a map to the Fifth Invader of some of these machines that you'd found, and that sort of thing, he'd be only too happy to send a cruiser, something of the sort, and blow them off the map. But it'd take a few mega-mega-megavolts to do very much to these machines.

Now, you'll find occasionally a sickness will set in on a preclear a very short time after he's been on one of these excursions. That's because he's hit an antipathetic wave which is rigged to be a nice wave.

Now, you'll find occasionally a sickness will set in on a preclear a very short time after he's been on one of these excursions. That's because he's hit an antipathetic wave which is rigged to be a nice wave.

So don't let your preclear sit around and listen to beautiful music, or something of the sort. That's a theta trap. Don't let him go around - he says, "Oh, you know, there's the most gorgeous looking temple or something! I keep going over there and looking at this beautiful temple, and..."

So don't let your preclear sit around and listen to beautiful music, or something of the sort. That's a theta trap. Don't let him go around - he says, "Oh, you know, there's the most gorgeous looking temple or something! I keep going over there and looking at this beautiful temple, and..."

And you say, "Wait a minute, What's it look like!"

And you say, "Wait a minute, What's it look like!"

"Oh, it's just gorgeous! The most beautiful architecture."

"Oh, it's just gorgeous! The most beautiful architecture."

You say, "Come home now," And he ... "Well, I - let me, let me ..."

You say, "Come home now," And he ... "Well, I - let me, let me ..."

"No, come home now." Because all of a sudden your preclear is going to be in, appetite over tin cup," into a theta trap.

"No, come home now." Because all of a sudden your preclear is going to be in, appetite over tin cup," into a theta trap.

Theta traps are trapped ordinarily with aesthetics. The other type of trap is a mechanical trap which has a matching wavelength in its construction. It's a post or something, and the thetan throws a beam - he's just passing through the area and all of a sudden something echos at his wavelength. And the next thing you know, he thinks somebody he knows is over there and he goes over to look. And then the second he tries to get off of it, the more energy he puts out, the more active the trap becomes. There's no energy in the trap but the energy the thetan himself is putting into it. And he'll stay on these things for God knows how long. Those are types of traps.

Theta traps are trapped ordinarily with aesthetics. The other type of trap is a mechanical trap which has a matching wavelength in its construction. It's a post or something, and the thetan throws a beam - he's just passing through the area and all of a sudden something echos at his wavelength. And the next thing you know, he thinks somebody he knows is over there and he goes over to look. And then the second he tries to get off of it, the more energy he puts out, the more active the trap becomes. There's no energy in the trap but the energy the thetan himself is putting into it. And he'll stay on these things for God knows how long. Those are types of traps.

As far as a thetan being very badly implanted is concerned, how can you implant an energy unit! That's an interesting question: How can you implant an energy unit! It's a question in which you should be awfully interested. Because you can't! You can give it some ridges, but it can always move out from amongst these ridges.

As far as a thetan being very badly implanted is concerned, how can you implant an energy unit! That's an interesting question: How can you implant an energy unit! It's a question in which you should be awfully interested. Because you can't! You can give it some ridges, but it can always move out from amongst these ridges.

You have to get it to agree and change its mind about something. And once it's agreed on something of the sort, why then it's possible for it to be in a state which keeps on holding on to ridges.

You have to get it to agree and change its mind about something. And once it's agreed on something of the sort, why then it's possible for it to be in a state which keeps on holding on to ridges.

So the most important thing you can do with a thetan is Postulate Processing, not ridge-throwing-around and the rest of it. I've said this before and I wish to point it up and punch it up now: postulates! postulates!

So the most important thing you can do with a thetan is Postulate Processing, not ridge-throwing-around and the rest of it. I've said this before and I wish to point it up and punch it up now: postulates! postulates!

You can take any preclear you know and take - run from bottom to top of a scale (that scale I gave you many weeks ago) just to change one's postulates. And if you keep this up, you just keep this up, you go on this way, he'll get better and better and better and better and better.

You can take any preclear you know and take - run from bottom to top of a scale (that scale I gave you many weeks ago) just to change one's postulates. And if you keep this up, you just keep this up, you go on this way, he'll get better and better and better and better and better.

But we have, in all of these wild pitches, a terrific amount of coversion. It's very covert, all of this overtness toward beings. It hasto be, because you cannot actually aberrate permanently an energy unit. You cannot kill it. All you can get it to do is change its mind - that is to say, alter its postulates, its concept of beingness.

But we have, in all of these wild pitches, a terrific amount of coversion. It's very covert, all of this overtness toward beings. It hasto be, because you cannot actually aberrate permanently an energy unit. You cannot kill it. All you can get it to do is change its mind - that is to say, alter its postulates, its concept of beingness.

You can get it to alter its concept of beingness, really. And if you can get it to alter its concept of beingness, then it'll keep on holding these silly ridges all around itself with facsimiles on them. And the ridges keep going into stimulus-response. And because your thetan did not know the mechanism - he actually lacked knowledge of it - he couldn't beat it. He couldn't beat this game, so he'd stay at a low level.

You can get it to alter its concept of beingness, really. And if you can get it to alter its concept of beingness, then it'll keep on holding these silly ridges all around itself with facsimiles on them. And the ridges keep going into stimulus-response. And because your thetan did not know the mechanism - he actually lacked knowledge of it - he couldn't beat it. He couldn't beat this game, so he'd stay at a low level.

Now, possessing knowledge of this is not really the same thing as being a Theta Clear. I wish to impress that upon you.

Now, possessing knowledge of this is not really the same thing as being a Theta Clear. I wish to impress that upon you.

➤ Let me give you the example of my boy Nibs, L. Ron Hubbard junior. Interesting thing. He's a rather nice kid. Rather standard hot rod American kid. Perfect sense of irresponsibility. A nice kid. His friends all liked him. That's what you judge a kid by. He got along well with people and that sort of thing. But he had practically no goals. Nothing to look forward to or anything.

➤ Let me give you the example of my boy Nibs, L. Ron Hubbard junior. Interesting thing. He's a rather nice kid. Rather standard hot rod American kid. Perfect sense of irresponsibility. A nice kid. His friends all liked him. That's what you judge a kid by. He got along well with people and that sort of thing. But he had practically no goals. Nothing to look forward to or anything.

➤ Standard young American today being picked up by the draft and shoved here and shoved there. Alright. He had 7 hours total processing up to stable outside of his body and so forth. That was in the course of about 36 hours. He completely change his attitudes, personality, and so forth. He got a terrific sense of responsibility. He was reaching back and picking up pieces of knowledge of this sort and that sort and fitting them together and getting himself an education off the track.

➤ Standard young American today being picked up by the draft and shoved here and shoved there. Alright. He had 7 hours total processing up to stable outside of his body and so forth. That was in the course of about 36 hours. He completely change his attitudes, personality, and so forth. He got a terrific sense of responsibility. He was reaching back and picking up pieces of knowledge of this sort and that sort and fitting them together and getting himself an education off the track.

➤ He was going around trying to help other guys out. He was doing this and doing that. He was a guy you really would care to know all of a sudden, not just this kid. Fantastic change. He went along for a little while. And he thought he was very savy now. He was perfectly satisfied that he had reached a state of knowingness where he could cope with things.

➤ He was going around trying to help other guys out. He was doing this and doing that. He was a guy you really would care to know all of a sudden, not just this kid. Fantastic change. He went along for a little while. And he thought he was very savy now. He was perfectly satisfied that he had reached a state of knowingness where he could cope with things.

➤ I (alight?) upon him not too long ago and boy that boy had been having to burn the midnight oil and the morning oil and the afternoon oil in trying to catch up with the knowledge of book one (DMSMH), the course books, Scientce of Survival, Self Analysis, and so forth just so he could live. You get the idea. Just so he could stay up in state."

➤ I (alight?) upon him not too long ago and boy that boy had been having to burn the midnight oil and the morning oil and the afternoon oil in trying to catch up with the knowledge of book one (DMSMH), the course books, Scientce of Survival, Self Analysis, and so forth just so he could live. You get the idea. Just so he could stay up in state."

This knowledge is vital; it's an education which one has to have to remain this wise, see, because if you don't know about this, and you don't know about that, and don't know about something or other...

This knowledge is vital; it's an education which one has to have to remain this wise, see, because if you don't know about this, and you don't know about that, and don't know about something or other...

It was NOT KNOWING about this and about that and about something or other that made it possible for any of you to be tricked into something in the first place. See, it's just not knowing this data, which is fascinating to you. You should say, "Yes, if you get a guy up to a high state of knowingness, he should know all of this."

It was NOT KNOWING about this and about that and about something or other that made it possible for any of you to be tricked into something in the first place. See, it's just not knowing this data, which is fascinating to you. You should say, "Yes, if you get a guy up to a high state of knowingness, he should know all of this."

I refer you to Science of Survival, the theory of enturbulation of theta with MEST and then its disenturbulation again. That is data of the MEST universe which is being gained. Your potentiality of knowingness goes way high, but this does not mean that data goes that high.

I refer you to Science of Survival, the theory of enturbulation of theta with MEST and then its disenturbulation again. That is data of the MEST universe which is being gained. Your potentiality of knowingness goes way high, but this does not mean that data goes that high.

➤ To remain stable ... Nibs is doing a terrific job right now. By the way, he is just starting in to teach a theta clearing course in Phoenix as of today and he's using the tapes which you heard and stuff I've written him in letters and so forth. And everybody was having a very hard time with it in the states one way or the other and they're making it the hard way. And he was very interested in getting the show on the road. He wanted to come over here very despritely, very badly.

➤ To remain stable ... Nibs is doing a terrific job right now. By the way, he is just starting in to teach a theta clearing course in Phoenix as of today and he's using the tapes which you heard and stuff I've written him in letters and so forth. And everybody was having a very hard time with it in the states one way or the other and they're making it the hard way. And he was very interested in getting the show on the road. He wanted to come over here very despritely, very badly.

➤ And he was all booked and he had his boat passage and his passport. And then time was running short and he was going to pick up an airplane and come over here and he was going to do anything. And he finally phoned me up on the telephone and he says "Aren't you going to let me come over there". And I kept telling him that the operation in Phoenix was in very very great need of his services. And he finally buckeled down and he's running that operation. He's eighteen. And of all the guys anywhere in that vicinity, there's just two people that I would trust a great deal.

➤ And he was all booked and he had his boat passage and his passport. And then time was running short and he was going to pick up an airplane and come over here and he was going to do anything. And he finally phoned me up on the telephone and he says "Aren't you going to let me come over there". And I kept telling him that the operation in Phoenix was in very very great need of his services. And he finally buckeled down and he's running that operation. He's eighteen. And of all the guys anywhere in that vicinity, there's just two people that I would trust a great deal.

➤ One of them is old Alphia Heart who is the hardest boiled soft-hearted character you ever saw (laughter). A great guy. And the other one's Nibs. Just fantastic. You don't know American youth. but you know how irresponsible some British youth is. Just as a strata of (ir)responsibility. Well now, if you multiply it by about a hundred, you've got American youth today. And all of a sudden we've got a man. a very responsible man. Quite interesting. By the way, his attitude toward me is very very interesting. It might be an interesting little datum you might like to know about.

➤ One of them is old Alphia Heart who is the hardest boiled soft-hearted character you ever saw (laughter). A great guy. And the other one's Nibs. Just fantastic. You don't know American youth. but you know how irresponsible some British youth is. Just as a strata of (ir)responsibility. Well now, if you multiply it by about a hundred, you've got American youth today. And all of a sudden we've got a man. a very responsible man. Quite interesting. By the way, his attitude toward me is very very interesting. It might be an interesting little datum you might like to know about.

➤ He used to look on me rather resentfully and so on because, you see, during the years he was growing up and so on, I was off to the wars and off on expiditions and here and there and I wasn't home and his home life blew up pretty much and so on. So he ...

➤ He used to look on me rather resentfully and so on because, you see, during the years he was growing up and so on, I was off to the wars and off on expiditions and here and there and I wasn't home and his home life blew up pretty much and so on. So he ...