QUESTIONS AND HAVINGNESS PROBE

LRH: we are going to give you a proper session, and we're going to do some fish and fumble there.

PC: Okay.

23 May 1962

LRH: I told you just a moment ago, we're going to look for this tick-tick, and we're going to see if we can find this tick-tick, and find out what it was, because that had me mighty curious when I had you on the line.

We had an auditor given a list of five or six end rudiment-type Zero Questions to clean and every one of them was wildly alive at the end of the so-called session. Of course, the auditor is off auditing until he knows something about this.

PC: That was the one on — on that Prepcheck chain I went down.

We had this trouble last September very bad. And that trouble consisted of people not thinking it was important to clean an E-Meter or people skimping over it or people just not able to read an E-Meter. And we had all this trouble in September, and there are a whole bunch of lectures on that subject as of about that period — having to lay it in with branding irons.

LRH: Yeah.

Now, we're going to lay it in with branding irons this time. We're going to start the thing this way: We're going to get rudiments checked by the auditors who are auditing, at the end of pcs' sessions; and then I'm going to ask the Auditing Supervisor to get one or two of those preclears after that auditing period and check their rudiments; and if their rudiments are found out, we put that auditor off auditing. I think that's only fair. I don't think you have a sufficient — that is, some of you, certainly — don't have a sufficient respect for the fact that you have to be able to read an E-Meter, that the E-Meter reads the pc and that it has to be cleaned up on a question.

PC: Hm.

And frankly, I'm very happy to find out about this. I'm more than delighted, because I've been looking at some of the gray faces that are creeping up and down the hall and let me tell you, I knew there was something awry here. And I've been nattering about it and talking with Mary Sue about it, and your Instructors, for some weeks now. And, finally, we find out what it is: it's one more plague of not being able to read the E-Meter. Now, that's quite what it is. It's just a gross auditing error.

LRH: That's right. That was an interesting thing I actually did narrow it down to just that, and — since then.

The grossest auditing error there is, is no auditing And next to that in rank is the inability to read the E-Meter. There are auditors which actually will believe the preclear but not the meter; they think the meter is registering something else.

PC: Hm.

Now, we've got to reverse that thing You never believe the pc; you only believe the meter. We've got to get these things clean, and we'll get some auditing results going.

LRH: so we'll see if it's still there.

Now, these results have been very poor in the last few weeks and I have been blowing my brains out trying to figure out why. And now I find out why: you're not reading E-Meters.

PC: Great.

So there's a push on. And the demonstration tonight is — well, first and foremost — just so an Instructor in each room can call out the meter reads for you. And I want you to notice that there is some coordination between the question I ask and the pc and the meter. I know it's very hard to connect these, but there actually is a coordination. And you don't leave that pc, you understand, with that acting, and that's it. That's it. That is auditing. I mean, if I could lay it with a branding iron I would. But that is what you are doing That is your gross auditing error. This is why, when you list, you are not blowing people to Clear. This is the whole story. The pcs are not in-session. The listing does no good because the rudiments are out. I mean, the whole chain of evil proceeds from that particular point.

LRH: Okay. Is it all right with you if I begin this session now?

Now, actually, the first thing I'm going to do here is simply check some old What questions. Now, the story of this particular pc is that some Prepchecking was set up and then I noticed the pc wasn't looking so good. So I had another auditor check all the What questions in order to make sure they were flat. Now, it was reported to me that all these What questions that the pc had been asked were flat. And now, I haven't gone over this, but in a nasty, evil, suspicious mood — you know, all Rons have two faces; one is good and the other is horrible; you realize that — in that nasty, suspicious mood, we are simply going to check this. This is not going to take very long.

PC: Yeah.

And then, after that, I'm going to give you a demonstration of fish and fumble. That's not even a technical term, but I'm just going to show you how you fish and fumble around — what you actually can do with an E-Meter. I'm not even going to give you a very stylized demonstration of a session; it's just what you can do with an E-Meter.

LRH: Good. Start of session. Has the session started for you?

E-Meters work! Every once in a while people don't think they work. And when that happens, pcs look grim and gray, and nobody goes Clear. It happened last September. It's happened again here now.

PC: Yeah. Not really.

So, okay. Now, I'm in no militant mood, particularly, about this. I simply want to drive it home with cannonballs. Okay?

LRH: All right. All right. Here it is.

All right. Here we go. Have you got the right folder here?PC: It's me.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yes, yes, yes. This is the right folder. All right. All right. Sit down. Now, don't faint and don't drop through the floor, Smokey, because . . . Push it forward.

LRH: Start of session.

PC: How did you guess?

PC: Okay.

LRH: Pick up the cans. Now don't worry about it, because there's nothing very bad going to happen, it's not going to take very long, and I'm not going to reveal everything

LRH: Okay. What goals would you like to set for this session?

PC: Well, it'd be all right.

PC: To be able to get to sleep easier at night. I've been having trouble getting to sleep.

LRH: Yes, it would be, wouldn't it?

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah. He said the combination of the stairs and uh . . . Gosh! Are you sure you want me?

PC: The last few nights. And to . . .

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Good.

PC: You know?

PC: ... to stay in present time when I'm studying When I sort of run out of — get out of present time, find myself read ing over a paragraph of a bulletin or something like that without reading it.

LRH: You didn't believe it.

LRH: Okay. All right. Any other goals?

PC: No!

PC: That ought to do it.

LRH: oh, I see.

LRH: All right. Got an ARC break there? All right, thank you. Any goals you'd like to set for life or livingness?

PC: I thought you wanted Wing You know, sometimes you get our names mixed up.

PC: I'd like to — well, I have a goal: it's — it's — it's an imp — almost impossible goal, but maybe it's possible, you know?

LRH: Yeah, I know I do. That's because he's the fire-eater, you know? I mean, he's the guy that goes to fires.

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Yeah. Eat 'em up.

PC: To get Class II by the end of the month, or by the end of this period. But, you know, it's getting pretty close there.

LRH: Anyhow, honey, I'm not going to do this in Model Session. All I'm going to do here is simply check these What questions. And they are not very revelatory, but I want to see a few things are . . .

LRH: All right. Anything else?

PC: Well, they're funny. There's one on there that's really a ball.

PC: I'd like to be auditing next week. Start auditing.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: Wait till you see it.

PC: Champing at the bit. I want to — like those — a little like those commandos who want to, you know, get out.

LRH: Now, your . . . Well, I'll tell you the history of this.

LRH: All right. Okay, Fred. Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. All right. Now, let's see. What process was working on you? It was Touch, wasn't it?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I looked at you many weeks ago and I said, "She isn't doing so good." you see?

LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans. Thank you. Put the cans down. All right. We're going to run a little bit of Touch here. All right. Touch that table. Thank you. Touch that wood. Thank you. Touch that ashtray. Thank you. Touch that chair. Thank you. Touch those cans. Good. Give them a squeeze. Squeeze 'em. All right. Squeeze 'em. Hey, that's a difference! All right, thank you. All right. That's it. Now — check this on the meter. Look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. Thank you. Relatively clean.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: so I said, "Who's been prepchecking her?" and so forth. And then I had an auditor recheck all these What questions . . .

LRH: Just a little slowdown; doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Feel better?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: . . . just to make sure they were flat, you see? And then I took a look at you after he'd done so, and he said they were all flat.

LRH: Hey, what do you know? That was fast enough, wasn't it? All right. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? Thank you. That's clean. Since the last time I audited you . . .

PC: Hm.

PC: A lot of water's gone under the bridge.

LRH: See, he said they were all flat. Yeah. I don't believe it.

LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding? I have an action there.

PC: Well, I didn't.

PC: Well, I — I — I — I got an overt against Robin, I guess.

LRH: See, I just think he wasn't reading the E-Meter.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Hm.

PC: I — I thought that was pretty clean. Anyway, when I — I left the — I left that post, I — I wrote a whole series of notes . . .

LRH: Now, that's beside the point. But let's get back here. Here's your old CCH sessions — rattlety-bang of paper.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. They're fun.

PC: . . . explaining the job to ever — whoever. I — I addressed them to Franchise Secretary from Fred.

LRH: Yeah. You had a lot of CCHs. Now . . .

LRH: Hm.

PC: Wonder if that reads a heartbeat.

PC: Whole series of notes explaining the job, explaining various aspects, vari — you know, the various things I was working on. And I — I wasn't exactly sure Robin was going to come on the post, but I was pretty sure. And — but I thought it would be kind of funny if I — you know, it would be interesting, if I . . .

LRH: We're just — I'm just examining your folder here, honey.

LRH: All right.

PC: Okay.

PC: . . . wrote these notes and told Robin how to do the job. But anyway, it was kind of an overt on Robin.

LRH: There we are. And I think here is this horrible one that you probably . . . so forth.

LRH: Okay.

PC: That one.

PC: It was.

LRH: Not very bad.

LRH: All right. Let me check that on the meter.

PC: It's not so horrible. It's just funny.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, honey.

LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything you are withholding? Got a little tick there.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, it's uh — I uh . . .

LRH: Now, all I'm going to do is just check these questions. Okay?

LRH: That's it.

PC: All right.

PC: . . . this friend of mine — it's about this — this . . . Remember about — suspicions about that key and about . . .

LRH: All right.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: You mean I'm on there?

PC: . . . this friend ? This is about that key. I — I never got in touch with him. I wrote him a letter . . .

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: I'm on there?

PC: . . . saying, "Oh, you know, gee, I haven't seen you, and give me a call." I got the letter back — no — n-n-not at — not at that address.

LRH: You're on there?

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah, I am on the meter over there?

PC: You know? And I was, you know, wondering what — what happened. Something's — something's wrong there, you see?

LRH: Oh, yeah. Your meter is functioning fine. Perfect.

LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: That's good.

PC: I have to check in . . .

LRH: Yeah. Working fine.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Terrible? Does it show my heartbeat? It's beating fast.

PC: . . . because, (a) he wouldn't move without letting me know his new address.

LRH: Well, I'm not even going to try to put you at ease particularly.

LRH: Hm.

PC: No. I'm fine.

PC: Um — (b) I might have wrote it to the wrong address . . .

LRH: All right.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Doing all right by my window.

PC: . . . but I — I — I don't think so.

LRH: The question is, "What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom?" All right. Let me check that. What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. What about catching catfish?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: You're reading my mind.

PC: And something wrong there. I have to look into that.

LRH: No, I'm just trying to see what the needle pattern is here. What about catching catfish? What about catching catfish? What about . . . I'm banging on something here, honey; I won't be able to check these things out. Tell me what it is.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me check this on the meter.

PC: Well, I just told you. My heart was beating fast.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding? Little tick, much smaller.

PC: Oh.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I didn't get that, huh? Was that it?

LRH: That's it.

PC: Well, I thought you did.

PC: I had a party at my place, and some girls over, and kind of a wild party.

LRH: All right. Now, let me ask this test question again. What about catching catfish? You're getting a little bippity-bop here on the heart all right.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: Nm-hm. Well, is it — is it my eyes too?

PC: I told you about that, I think . . .

LRH: But it's also my voice. No, no, no, it's not your eyes. What about your eyes? Go ahead, swing your eyeballs from the left to the right. Swing . . .

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Really?

PC: . . . probably the group, you know . . .

LRH: your eyeballs from the left to the right. All right. Swing them from the left to the right. Getting no significant read here. But there is something reading on this meter.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Oh.

PC: . . . but not about that party.

LRH: There is something . . .

LRH: All right. Let me check that on the meter. Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding? That's cleaner than a wolf's tooth. Very good?

PC: It must be me.

PC: Yep.

LRH: ... reading on here. There must be some kind of a — I don't think it's you. Let's . . .

LRH: All right. Do you have a present time problem? Thank you. That's clean. Okay. Now, I told you about fishing around here.

PC: I think it was checked up all right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Let me check this.

LRH: And we're going to do some fish and fumble . . .

PC: Um, um-um.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Squeeze your cans.

LRH: . . . see where we wind up here. And mysteriously, I have no tick-tick.

PC: All right.

PC: Well...

LRH: Squeeze your cans. No, it's just your havingness is out the bottom.

LRH: Obviously, you're . . . What were you going to say?

PC: Yeah, that's true. I know.

PC: I don't know. It was on that chain, and it was on that past life, or connected u with it.

LRH: All right. What's your Havingness Process?

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Oh saints, I don't know. The last one that was used was "touching things."

PC: Maybe if I found that again and I could — I don't know if it was that or something else, or what.

LRH: Huh? Touching things.

LRH: Well, that, you know . . .

PC: Touch . . . Yeah. Hm-hm.

PC: It was something — it was something about messing with little girls . . .

LRH: Anybody ever run reach on you?

LRH: Yeah?

PC: No.

PC: . . . you knows?

LRH: Hm? Well, let's see if it works. All right. Squeeze the cans. Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Oh, I can reach that chair.

PC: Something — messing with little girls . . .

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: There it is. There it is. There it is.

PC: Oh, I could reach that couch.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: Ha-ha, ha-ha!

PC: I could reach that picture.

PC: Uhh.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: All right. Well, we didn't have to fish very long there, did we?

PC: The curtain.

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. That's doing exactly nothing

LRH: Something about messing with little girls.

PC: Uh-uh.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay?

LRH: And just like that, we get it back. All right, let me check it now.

PC: Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Put your cans down.

LRH: Okay? What about messing with little girls? Well, that isn't quite the tick-tick.

PC: All right.

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Thank you. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. All right. Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Just hold them loosely.

LRH: Now, let me see if we can get it just a little closer than that. There it is. What did you just think of?

PC: Okay.

PC: Dang! I — I — I just look — kind of looked at a little something there, and kind of looked away. I can't — you know, sort of a hunk of something, you know?

LRH: That's all right.

LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

PC: They do kind of . . . Oh, I guess I´m big.

PC: One of those gray hunks of something . . .

LRH: All right.

LRH: That's right.

PC: There, now.

PC: ... that don't have any definite . . .

LRH: Squeeze the cans. All right. Apparently — may be doing something

LRH: There it is again.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: I — it looks like a — a rocket ship nose, or something, or — or a bomb nose, or something like this. I don't know.

LRH: Put the cans down. All right. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. All right. Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze them. All right. Hold them down in your lap . . .

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

PC: Is that it, or . . .

LRH: . . . just like you were before.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: ... or not? I . . .

LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans. Okay. That's not your Havingness Process either.

LRH: Well, let me check this over again. What about messing with little girls? Ahh, there — there's a tiny little slowdown there.

PC: Well, really, one hasn't been found on me.

PC: I looked at that thing again, when you mentioned it.

LRH: You have never had a Havingness Process found?

LRH: Something here about messing with little girls in the nose of a rocket ship?

PC: No. Sometimes "Point out something' works fairly fine. Sometimes "Look around here and find something you could have."

PC: I — that's what the — I looked at that, and there was something connected there or someplace; I don't know what.

LRH: Well, what's the variation?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.

PC: But, you see, it . . .

LRH: Have you ever invalidated a Havingness Process?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Uh-uh. Oh, I like them.

PC: It's a — it's kind of a, you know, what's happening here? You know? How come — how come this connects up like this or something like that, you know ?

LRH: Hm? All right.

LRH: All right. Well, I'll find it.

PC: Oh, there was one I didn't like.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What one?

LRH: I'll find it. Now — there it is! Who are you looking at?

PC: Uh — "Something you could confront."

PC: Well, it — that was th-th-those two little girls that we talked about in that Prepchecking session that I . . .

LRH: Hm?

LRH: That's it.

PC: "Something you would rather not confront. Something you could confront."

PC: ... those two twins.

LRH: All right. Good. Thank you.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: I invalidated that one.

PC: They were either twins or — or sisters that I messed with . . .

LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you. All right. Here's the first command. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Uh-uh.

PC: That camera.

PC: ... in — back in early — early days in my life.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

LRH: That's it.

PC: That thing up there in the corner.

PC: I was ten years old, or so. And so . . .

LRH: Okay. Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: And we were going down that chain.

PC: The fireplace.

PC: Yeah. Yeah. We kind of went past them, and . . .

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

LRH: All right. Let me see if I can get a What question that's right into the middle there.

PC: Uh — the binoculars.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: What about sexually interfering with little girls? That's it.

PC: That uh — sign on the door.

PC: Is it?

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

LRH: I get a tinier, smaller read.

PC: Those leases.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay. Squeeze the cans. Okay. Now, you've got a trick squeeze here.

LRH: I might be able to vary that just a little bit. There it is. What's that?

PC: Mm.

PC: That's a picture of sexually interfering with a little girl.

LRH: Now, you just put them down in your lap . . .

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Mm.

PC: I don't think it's this lifetime. I mean, I don't know . . .

LRH: ... the back of your hands in your lap.

LRH: Well, that doesn't matter.

PC: Nm-hm.

PC: Yeah. That's that sex pervert or . . .

LRH: All right. Now squeeze them.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Okay?

PC: . . . probably a sex-pervert thing. But that's tied up with that other — that — that . . . Well, it — I — I think it's the same little girl as in that other picture I've had so many years, I looked at.

LRH: Okay. Yeah. But you know, all I want is an even pressure down and up.

LRH: What was that? The . . .

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: The one of having a little girl with her panties down, and with a — switching her.

LRH: You know? Just let them go. Do it again. Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm.

PC: This okay? Hm?

PC: And seeing — this picture is seeing an — an older man do this. Watching it from the bushes, something like this . . .

LRH:Now, just hold them naturally.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Hm-hm. My hands are kind of hot.

PC: . . . in — in the yard of this . . .

LRH: That's all right. Doesn't matter.

LRH: Right.

PC: Okay.

PC: . . . place with . . .

LRH: Now, squeeze the cans. All right. Let them go. All right, that's fine. All right. What do you think about this process?

LRH: Right.

PC: Well, it's all right.

PC: . . . a stream going by or something like that.

LRH: Well, are you just saying that? What do you think about this process?

LRH: Right.

PC: Well, I really could confront any of them, you see, that I see.

PC: I've had that picture so long, you know?

LRH: Oh, I see. The whole thing is a bad answer, is that right?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah. It is.

PC: And this — I'm not sure if it's the same girl or not.

LRH: I get it. All right. In other words, you could confront any of it?

LRH: All right. Now, hold your cans still there and let me check it.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. And yet you're having to answer, so there's some missed auditing commands in that Havingness Process. Is that correct?

LRH: Let me check another little What here.

PC: It's possible, yeah.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: What about punishing little girls? Clean.

PC: Because, really . . .

PC: Hm.

LRH: Possible?

LRH: What about sexually interfering with little girls? It's not giving me the same read as the double tick.

PC: ...I could. Yes!

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, is . . .

LRH: There — what's that?

PC: All right, it is.

PC: Switching little girls.

LRH: ... is it?

LRH: What about switching little girls? That isn't it.

PC: Yes!

PC: Eating little girls?

LRH: All right. Go on.

LRH: Beating little girls?

PC: Because I could confront the things that I say I'd rather not. It's . . .

PC: Beating or eating?

LRH: So you just had to make up answers for the "rather not"?

LRH: Eating

PC: Hm-hm. Hm-hm.

PC: Eating little girls.

LRH: Well, that's very interesting. Very interesting

LRH: All right. What about eating little girls? Well, I get a something of a reaction there. What about eating little girls? It cleaned.

PC: Mm.

PC: Hm.

LRH: When was that?

LRH: All right. Let me try another What question here. What about stealing little girls? I get an action here.

PC: Wow, it must have been in January.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Quite a while ago?

LRH: You see, the reason I'm putting that together isn't a shot in the dark. you were talking about taking over a body before this lifetime.

PC: Yeah. Quite a while ago. When I first got here. About . . .

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: See, and I was . . .

PC: ... the second or third week, I think.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. All right.

LRH: . . . getting a reaction on that. Now, what about taking over little girls? I don't get the same reaction.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Now, let's proceed with just the one side of it.

LRH: What about stealing little girls? I get an instant read on that. What about stealing little girls? It's not the same instant read I'm fishing for, however.

PC: All right.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: There it is. There it is. It was just for a minute and we went by it.

PC: That wall.

PC: Boy, that's awfully fast, you know? It's — it's . . . Boy, it's something that's really occluded.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

PC: You.

PC: Ha! No — all around it, but I can't . . .

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LREI: All right.

PC: Mirror.

PC: . . . can't get to it.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: All right.

PC: That chair.

PC: But I keep popping — keep thinking about — on the same line, I don't know if it's just jazz chat or what. But some incident I ran — some past life incident, way back.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: That camera.

PC: Spaceship — just wound up taking over the . . . Supposed to burn off this planet and save one city and rape the city, or something like that.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: What's this now? Take a . . .

PC: Curtain.

PC: I — I — I.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: . . . a burner . . .

PC: The ashtray.

PC: Yeah, to burn off the whole planet.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Oh, you burnt off a whole — I got it.

PC: That thing.

PC: Yeah, I was supposed to blow — burn the whole thing off, but I saved one city, and I raped the city before I burned it off

LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans. All right. Now, something very funny happens here . . .

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: And part of that was it — at least as I came up in — I don't know, it — hell, it picked them — I mean, it's just not . . .

LRH: ...is the needle only comes halfway back. So, do you continue to grip the cans afterwards?

LRH: Well, now there — there's the double tick.

PC: Well, now this is . . . My hands kind of stick, you know? They're long and uh — the hands are a little bit wet . . .

PC: Yeah? It's — I take — took all the — asked all the five-year-old girls in the — all the five-year-old blond little girls in the town into the palace, and raped them all.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Hm-hm. We're getting the tick-tick.

PC: ... and so they cling.

PC: Yeah. Huh!

LRH: All right.

LRH: we did.

PC: See?

PC: And then — did that and my — I ordered my men, or my men and I raped — raped all these little girls . . .

LRH: I see.

LRH: Mm-m. There's your tick-tick.

PC: And...

PC: . . . five-year-old girls. And then afterward, we burned the city off.

LRH: I get it.

LRH: All right. Let's see if I can make up a What here.

PC: And they stay.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: What about raping a city? All right. What about raping little girls? What about raping little girls? No. What about that auditing session? What about that auditing session that you ran that in? That's it. There's a latent on that.

PC: You see, they don't uh — uh — be like they were before.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. What auditor was that?

PC: They really don't.

PC: Think it was Stan.

LRH: All right. Put them in your lap. Now, just lay them just lay them down in your lap.

LRH: Who?

PC: Okay.

PC: Stan Stromfeld.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Squeeze them. Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Uh — that thing, whatever it is.

PC: Think it was him. Must have been him.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Was it? I don't get a reaction here.

PC: Uh — the whole line of shelves there.

PC: No?

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

LRH: Was it Stan Stromfeld that ran that? I don't get any reaction on that.

PC: Uh — the top of that uh — curtain.

PC: I'll be darned.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Squeeze the cans. All right. That is reducing the amount of squeeze.

LRH: Somebody earlier than that?

PC: Hm. Really?

PC: Janine? No. Unless it was New York. Oh, maybe it was Doris. Marge ? Damn. I don — I can't remember . . .

LRH: Okay?

LRH: All right. Let's put it together here.

PC: I feel better.

PC: ... who it was. Raping — past lives and . . .

LRH: Yeah, I know you probably do.

LRH: There — you got the — there's the ghost of a tick.

PC: Mm.

PC: Denise?

LRH: But that's basically because you got an invalidation off, huh? Isn't it? Or is it?

LRH: Yeah. There it is. Microscopically smaller.

PC: Mm.

PC: Yeah, I know it. you . . . Something there.

LRH: What is it?

LRH: I just want to know what auditor it was.

PC: Probably.

PC: ...I'm not sure. you know? I mean, I — I — I don't really get anything.

LRH: Yeah. Do you feel better about that?

LRH: All right. Well, let me help you out, may I?

PC: Yeah. Because I hadn't said that to anyone.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Good. Now let's try this other one.

LRH: All right. Was it a girl auditor? Was it a male auditor? Male auditor.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: The one I started with originally.

LRH: Did it happen in the United States? Did it happen in Paris? All right, did it happen in Paris? Now I've got a double tick.

PC: All right.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: What are you thinking about? Happening in Paris?

PC: The couch.

PC: Vincent? Mario? Maybe it was Jack Campbell.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: All right. Was it Jack Campbell?

PC: That door.

PC: Maybe it was.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: All right. Was that auditor Jack Campbell?

PC: The venetian blinds.

PC: Yeah, I guess it was.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: There's something here about it now.

PC: The telephone.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: I'm gettin . . .

PC: Uh — folder.

PC: Yeah, I guess it was. 'Cause he — he — he — he ran me on RT-3, think it was — OT-3.

LRH: Okay. Squeeze the cans. All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: No.

PC: And it kind of went way back . . .

LRH: Ah, what did you just think of though?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: I Just thought, my God, could he have?

PC: ... into a lot of stuff . . .

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: Now we're getting a double tick here.

PC: But I think I've poured out all my . . .

PC: ... past life stuff. Yeah. There was that.

LRH: Think you got all that taped, huh?

LRH: All right. You remember this now?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: All right. All right. Now, this needle has become quite quiet compared to what it was. But it seems to me just a little sticky.

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh. My goodness.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: But it's become quite quiet.

LRH: Okay. And, now, did Jack Campbell miss a withhold on you?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Undoubtedly! No doubt.

LRH: Now, have you become upset about anything?

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, I'm always upset.

PC: Yeah, I think he did.

LRH: Well, have you become upset about anything in the last minute or two?

LRH: All right. All right. Okay. Let me check that on the meter. Did Jack Campbell miss a withhold on you? I get a reaction.

PC: Oh, no. Don't think so.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What do you mean, you're always upset? Go on, finish what you were telling me.

LRH: All right. Now . . .

PC: Well — well, you see, this is on TE And I — I feel really upset about it. But I feel better about it now. But, wow!

PC: It — it's like saying, did Jack Campbell ever and it you ? You know, I mean, it's like the same question. In fast, it was — it was funny.

LRH: It upset you?

LRH: Now, we're taking off from that as a Zero question.

PC: Yes!

PC: All right. Ooh.

LRH: All right. All right. Has anything bitten yet? Anything bitten you?

LRH: All right.

PC: You mean here?

PC: There must be something there? Line charge? Or something.

LRH: The TV camera suddenly blown a fuse?

LRH: Okay. Now let me check out a possible One.

PC: Not a thing. That's — that's what's amazing.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Okay. Well, go on now. you want to say anything more about that? How about it?

LRH: Okay. What did you successfully hide from Jack Campbell? All right, let me check that. Now let me check another one. What have you done to Jack Campbell? Well, we're going to take that first.

PC: No. It — uh — it just doesn't seem like it was.

PC: Yeah, it would be a good idea, I think.

LRH: Doesn't seem so bad.

LRH: Rightly or wrongly, we will take that first, because it'll flatten rather rapidly.

PC: Uh — I seem — uh-uh.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What did you think might happen?

LRH: All right. We will test that now. We know that you have withheld from him.

PC: Well, you know, it looks different from — when you're here than it does down there.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Doesn't it!

LRH: All right. Would that be doing something to him?

PC: Yes.

PC: The action of withholding from him?

LRH: Oh, I see. Maybe you're running out some of the stuff that was . . .

LRH: Yeah, we actually are wrong here in phrasing this What question . . .

PC: Uh — it's possible.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: . . . left.

LRH: . . . but I'm just testing this thing Is there a specific overt?

PC: Oh, like I would — oh, like I was afraid that you were going to have me up here last week.

PC: Uh...

LRH: Oh, yeah.

LRH: I get a tick.

PC: I breathed a sigh of relief I didn't even think of it this week.

PC: Yeah. It — it's a kind of a — a specific overt, many times, in a sense, you know?

LRH: All right. You had a surprise.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, the first overt, really, is that I considered that kind of — something was not quite right, or I didn't quite . . . Well, when I first took the Communication Course in Paris, this . . .

LRH: All right. Put your cans there in your lap.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: In...

PC: . . . you know, in Scientology — the Scientology Communication Course — you take the Communication Course.

LRH: Yeah. Just — don't — just hold them with your . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

PC: I — I didn't have the money for the course, and I told him that — oh, I was — I — I knew he liked me.

LRH: . . . backs of your hands down. All right. Now, squeeze the cans. All right. We apparently are . . . Do it again. Squeeze the cans. There's something real fluky here — what's happening I don't quite know what's going on, because this is not a proper can squeeze.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Uh-uh.

PC: All right, I knew he and Gernie liked me, I knew they were interested in me, they liked my work in the theater, blah-blah-blah.

LRH: It doesn't release. It simply falls and that's it.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Well, my hands do stick to the cans.

PC: And so I said, "Well, I — I — well, I — I'm — gee, I'd like to take this course, Jack, but I — you know, I can't pay for it. Don't have the money."

LRH: Well now, are you giving a can squeeze because more skin touches the can? Bring your hands up here on the table. Let's see . . .

LRH: Hm.

PC: Yes, I guess.

PC: Like that. Now, I might have been able to serape the money up if I had really — you know. you know, if he'd said, "Well, no, you go after the money and come and take the course."

LRH: . . . what this is all about. Now, is that can fitted snugly down there?

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: But he said — '7 don't have the money. I — I can't take this . . ." and he said, "All right. It's all right," he said, "We — we want you to get the course. You can pay me later. "I said, "Fine."

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Well, tell me this now. Good. Tell me this now: Was that — the question we're on is doing something to him. Now, what specifically did you do to him there?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: I kind of conned him into — I conned him into giving me the course for nothing You know?

LRH: Now, I don't want more palm against the can. I just want . . .

LRH: All right. Good. You conned him into it.

PC: Oh, it's nice and fitting.

PC: Yeah. After — yeah . . .

LRH: Why don't you just squeeze it between there and there. Now, we're going — I'm going to squeeze it for you.

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh, there.

PC: ... a fashion.

LRH: Oh, there!

LRH: That's it. All right. Now, what about conning Jack Campbell?

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah, that's a good What question.

LRH:Yes, there's something going on here. All right. There's no can squeeze there at all. You're just pushing more . . . Yes. You were just pushing more — I suppose that was invisible on the meter, but . . . Go on, squeeze it between there and there like I showed you. Well, how do you like . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: I didn't feel the can squeeze.

PC: Yeah. That's a good What question. Very good.

LRH:Yeah, so that's it. But you're — what you were doing before was wrapping more hand around the can.

LRH: Good. Well, that's the one we are going to work.

PC: Hm. Could be.

PC: Yeah, it makes me sweat a little bit.

LRH: Yeah. Well, then, it wasn't releasing

LRH: All right. Very good. When was that?

PC: No. It just stayed.

PC: Summer of 1968.

LRH:That's all right. But that's because the only fall we were getting on you was because more skin is touching the can. Not because of . . .

LRH: Very good. Is that all there is to it?

PC: I'm a terrible — uh — I'm a terrible havingness case.

PC: Oh, I thought, well, if — you know, what do I have to lose here, you know? Nothing — nothing in this course, and, well, figured on paying him later on.

LRH:Hm? Yes. This havingness thing is fascinating here.

LRH: All right. Good enough. All right. And what might have appeared there?

PC: Mm! Fascinates me, too.

PC: Well, I could have shake — shaken some money up from someplace, I think . . .

LRH: Well, what goes on here?

LRH: All right.

PC: Low havingness perhaps.

PC: ... to pay for it.

LRH: Yes! This I will agree with.

LRH: Very good. And who didn't find out about that?

PC: Mm-mm.

PC: Well, Jack didn't. I — I — I — the fact I could have gotten the money someplace to pay for it, I think.

LRH: But what's that?

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, now . . .

PC: You know.

LRH: What's your idea of this? Go ahead and tell me. Go on.

LRH: Very, very good. Okay. When was that? Very specifically.

PC: Well, you know, I don't have any idea of it at all. I just know that I did have a — a — a havingness thing. You see?

PC: July of — gee, the Moscow Art Theatre was in town.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm. And I still do.

PC: I think it was the end of June. I think it was the end of June. End of June in 1968.

LRH: Hm! How do you account for this?

LRH: All right. Good. And what else is there about this?

PC: I haven't the faintest idea. you know, people are like that.

PC: Well, I — I — I — I went on and took the course, and conned him again into giving me the HPA Course without paying for it over there.

LRH:You know that . . . All right. All right, honey. Okay. Well, this is an activity I didn't expect to get into here. Squeeze the cans like that again.

LRH: All right. Okay. And what didn't appear there?

PC: That's what I was afraid of too, you see?

PC: Fifty thousand francs for the HPA Course.

LRH: Yeah, but that's all right.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, I see.

PC: All right.

PC: Still hasn't appeared.

LRH:Squeeze the cans again. No, I mean it's a darn good thing I started checking up on this.

LRH: All right. And who didn't find out about that?

PC: Why?

PC: Well, the — the people who I owed money to didn't find out that I was spending more money or, you know . . .

LRH:Because if you'd ever had an auditor, he would have straightened it up.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Well, I've had a lot of auditors.

PC: ... putting myself into more debt . . .

LRH: I don't think so.

LRH: I see.

PC: I've had six.

PC: ... in a sense.

LRH:Nobody has straightened up your Havingness Process.

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, maybe I don't look like a havingness case. I mean, you know, I might not.

PC: Kind of a little bit of an overt against them. Very funny.

LRH:I'm not invalidating your auditor. I wouldn't do that in a normal session. But you're not in a Model Session.

LRH: What?

PC: No.

PC: Just getting more debts without paying them off

LRH:I was just slapping some people's ears. Put your cans down.

LRH: I see.

PC: All right.

PC: You know, something like that.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. All right. Now, let's test this What question.

PC: My ears just got red.

PC: Hm.

LRH:Come on, I wasn't slapping your ears; I was slapping their ears. Now, look-a-here. Touch your ears.

LRH: What about conning Jack Campbell? Have to test it again: What about conning Jack Campbell? That seems to have a tiny little bit of reaction on it. Let me ask you this. Is there any earlier moment there? Is there anything earlier, before that Comm Course? What's that?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah, had coffee or something with Jack and Gernie...

LRH: Thank you. Touch the top of your head.

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: . . . and — 7 — Jack paid for the coffee or the drink or something — earlier, when I first met him. And I kind of conned him there a little bit. you know, he paid for the drink.

LRH: Thank you. Touch your chest.

LRH: All right. Well, when was that?

PC: Ha!

PC: Was after a play. It — it was — well, it must have been after a — it must have been that spring, along in March or something like that.

LRH: Good. Touch your stomach.

LRH: Get a tick-tick.

PC: Yep.

PC: Yeah. In March . . .

LRH:All right. Touch your shoulders. Good. Touch your stomach. Good. Touch the top of your head.

LRH: Yeah. All right. Good enough.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: . . . that year. Yeah.

LRH:Thank you. Good. Touch the end of your nose.

LRH: All right. What else is there to that?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: I just — that was the first time I saw him. That night.

LRH:Good. Touch your stomach. Good. Touch your shoulders. All right. Thank you. Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze them.

LRH: That's the first time you ever saw him?

PC: Better?

PC: Yeah.

LRH:Do it again. That's all right. All right. Mm-hm!

LRH: Yeah. Bang

PC: Maybe I'm not very strong.

PC: Yeah. Gernie invited me for a drink after an American Embassy Little Theatre group . . .

LRH:Oh, that's all right. I'm not going to worry about this.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Hm.

PC: . . . production.

LRH:All right. Once more we're going to try out this reach thing

LRH: All right.

PC: All right.

PC: I'm not sure if it was hers or somebody else's. And — with her and Jack, and I saw this character first appear.

LRH: But we're going to try it out in negative.

LRH: All right. Okay. And what might have appeared there?

PC: All right.

PC: Hm. Well, I don't know. A couple of hundred francs from my pocket, I guess, to pay for the drinks, could have appeared.

LRH:All right. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: That door.

PC: I think I was broke, or something, and I had to con him. you know, I couldn't pay the drink. I don't think I had any money on me, or something like this. It was funny.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching

LRH: All right. Very good. who didn't find out about it?

PC: I'm not reaching the window.

PC: Well Jack and — Jack and Gernie didn't.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. All right. Let me test this What question again: What about conning Jack Campbell? Still got an action. Did you meet him any earlier than that?

PC: Uh — that light switch.

PC: Not that I know of

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: Ah-ah-ah.

PC: The ceiling.

PC: Yeah?

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: You meet Jack Campbell earlier than that?

PC: Oh, that weigher.

PC: Man, I don't remember if I do.

LRH:All right. Now, how do you feel on this — for a minute?

LRH: Come on, come on, come on. Did you meet him earlier than that? I got a reaction here.

PC: All right.

PC: No.

LRH: Does that make you feel strange?

LRH: Let me test this very carefully, before I send you off on a wild-goose chase.

PC: Uh — no. I just started feeling here and it's sort of echoish.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:Oh, all right. Good. Squeeze the cans. Oh, I think it's a tiny bit increased.

LRH: All right. Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than that? You've got a reaction here, man.

PC: Oh.

PC: I'll be darned. Jack Campbell earlier.

LRH: Has it annoyed you?

LRH: Yes, Jack Campbell earlier.

PC: My space is kind of small.

PC: I knew Gernie before I knew Jack.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: My space is kind of small.

PC: The first I remember Gernie is meeting her after one of my productions there.

LRH:All right. But has it annoyed you that these Havingness Processes were all grab-out-at-something, grab-out-at something, or something like that?

LRH: All right.

PC: Uh — possibly.

PC: And, I heard about Jack. Damn! Or something, and I was kind of curious about him.

LRH:Well, has it or hasn't it? Don't try to be obliging, just tell me.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Well, it was uh . . . Well, sometimes things would be too far away, yes. Hm-hm.

PC: And...

LRH:And you sort of felt like you couldn't reach it. Well, answer this question: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?

LRH: What are you plowing around with there? You got a double tick.

PC: I don't think so.

PC: Yeah. It was meeting Gernie . . .

LRH:All right. I will check that. Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I'm not getting a direct response on that.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Oh, I don't think I have failed to. I might have had difficulty answering them.

PC: ... after that production . . .

LRH: All right. Let me check that . . .

LRH: Right.

PC: The last uh — time I ran uh — Notice — Notice! That was a good one....

PC: ... in — in — in the foyer of the . . .

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Uh — the auditor had me notice things that were small and close, you see? And that helped, to me.

PC: ... American Students and Artists Center . . .

LRH: I see. All right. All right. Well, we got this . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: He started on a gradient scale, you know?

PC: ... and — this — there's some unknown there. I can't remember about this — that . . . Something . . . I — I wondered where Jack was, or something like this. I'd never met him, you see?

LRH: All right.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: It worked.

PC: But I wondered where Jack was . . .

LRH: Now, just for fun . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm.

PC: ... or something. You know? I mean, there's — there's something like that.

LRH:. . . let's run a few more of these negative commands.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

PC: This — about all I got.

LRH: Okay?

LRH: All right. Just experimentally, was there a desire to withhold yourself from meeting Jack? No. All right. Let me check this What question again: What about conning Jack Campbell? Still reacts.

PC: I like them.

PC: I intended on meeting Gernie . . .

LRH:Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: Good.

PC: That nail.

PC: ... I intended to get — get her interested in my theater project.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: Ah!

PC: That rug.

PC: And maybe that's conning Jack a little bit, by getting Gernie interested.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: All right.

PC: That chair.

PC: Inadvertently conning Jack — conning Gernie into — into getting her to back my theater project.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching

LRH: All right.

PC: The top of that uh — shelf.

PC: Because I heard she was important, you know . . .

LRH:Good. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. That's reducing the can swing . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh. Well . . .

PC: ... she had connections . . .

LRH: . . . as you could expect it to. What?

LRH: Now we got little tick-tick. Yeah.

PC: I uh — almost said I wasn't reaching you but I found out I was, so I didn't.

PC: ... and money, and — yeah — money and connections, and . . .

LRH: All right. Okay. You suppressed . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm.

PC: ... may — maybe it's kind of overt against Jack, and conning him too, or something.

LRH:All right. Okay. Now, let's now check out this Notice, hm?

LRH: Well, you don't have to add it up to him. Were you trying . . .

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Notice that ashtray.

LRH: ... to con Gernie?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Notice that wood.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: Good. Notice that telephone.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Notice that ceiling

LRH: All right. Now is there a missed withhold right there at that meeting?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: First meeting with Jack? Yeah.

LRH: Good. Notice that flower.

LRH: No. With Gernie.

PC: Yes.

PC: Gernie.

LRH: Good. Notice that necklace.

LRH: There a missed withhold there with Gernie? What would it be? What didn't she find out about?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: on me? Gee, I don't know. That — well, the first I — when I first met her, I — I didn't — here was this big, fat woman here, you know?

LRH: Good. Notice that E-Meter.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah. And — but — had a lot of — pretty alive, you know? Gernie is pretty alive.

LRH: Good. Notice that lamp.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Yes.

PC: She — and she was interested in — in — in me because she had seen the production and liked it. And I didn't know who she was.

LRH: Good. Notice that button.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: She — very nice talking, and gets — I got some admiration there, and stuff like this . . .

LRH: Good. Notice that pencil.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Yeah.

PC: . . . you know, it was nice.

LRH: Good. Notice that pencil.

LRH: Well, have you answered the auditing question there? Is there a missed withhold from Gernie? I haven't got a reaction on it.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: No, I — I — I can't think of any.

LRH:Good. Thank you. Squeeze the cans. Well, it's possibly coming up just a little bit more.

LRH: All right. Now, let me test this What question again, huh?

PC: Mm. LRSI: Squeeze them again. All right. All right. I don't like the reaction of that . . .

PC: Hm.

PC: I'm ruining it.

LRH: All right. What about conning Jack? Now, we've still got a little tick here.

LRH: . . . process particularly. Hm?

PC: Yeah.

PC: I'm ruining the demonstration.

LRH: All right. Did you meet Jack Campbell — coming back to one we had before . . .

LRH: Are you worried about that? I'm not . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: A little bit, yeah.

LRH: . . . did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this? All right. Let me ask you once more. Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this? I'm not getting a reaction on that.

LRH:. . . worried about that. What are you worried about it for? Well, come on, what are you worried about it for?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Well, I just — I did.

LRH: Ill — Ill say it once more, because you're getting dives here.

LRH:All right. Don't worry about that. No, I'm quite interested here. I'm quite interested here. I'm looking for a bug on the subject of havingness.

PC: Hm.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this? No, that's clean.

LRH:I'm looking for a bug of some kind or another . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now, is there a meeting between that first meeting with Gernie and what you were saying was the first meeting with Jack . . .

LRH:. . . on the subject of havingness. Here's the way you check into one of those things, for your own information.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: . . . when he bought the drinks?

LRH:Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.

PC: The meeting with Gernie? Between that time?

PC: Did you?

LRH: Yeah, well, is that — is . . . Yeah, yeah. Is there a second meeting with Gernie before you met Jack?

LRH:You ever fail to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.

PC: Gee, I sure got it occluded if there is. There must — I . . .

PC: Hm. Um — I did once, but I answered it later, because I told him.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: . . . yeah, there must have been. There must have been.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Uh-huh. We got a . . .

LRH:Thank you. Let me check that on the meter.

PC: Must have been.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: The double action is on there.

LRH:Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? All right. You got a rather heavily swinging needle here. I'll have to check it again. Okay?

PC: Yeah. Funny, I've a little charge, too.

PC: All right.

LRH: What goes on here?

LRH:Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? All right. That's clean.

PC: Gee. I'm just trying to think of what it was.

PC: Yeah. I usually try. I — I — I like that, you see? I like the havingness Processes.

LRH: All right. Good. Good.

LRH: An right.

PC: Yeah. You know, it must have been, because by the time I met Jack, Gernie and I were already good friends, you know, there . . .

PC: And uh . . . I don't think I've failed to answer.

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH:Okay. Now, have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc?

PC: Wonder what happened in there.

PC: I don't think so.

LRH: Yeah. All right. When might that have been?

LRH: Ouhh, man, we've got a nice fall here.

PC: March? Well, yes. I first met her, right . . . God, 58. What was that, Streetcar Named Desire?

PC: It scares me though to think about it.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Yes. We've got a nice fall here.

PC: Yeah. Streetcar Named Desire. I first met her then, when — when she was — it must have been after Street — no, it must hare been sooner than Streetcar. Man, I've got so much confusion through this period, you know?

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Interesting.

LRH:I'll ask that again. Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? There's something here.

PC: It's interesting.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: That was . . .

PC: Uh...

PC: Let's see now.

LRH: Okay. Well, how can I help you out there?

LRH: Well, what was that?

PC: Well, I — I — I — I'm not sure what you — what to look for now. I kind of got lost off of that . . .

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Now, I asked you if there was a meeting . . .

LRH:What's that? What are you thinking about right there? What's that?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Oh — oh, by-y-y-y golly, I got sidetracked there.

LRH: ... with Gernie, before you — from that — between that first meeting . . .

LRH:What were you thinking about? You say you got sidetracked, but what did you think about at that point?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... and when you met Jack. I was asking you . . .

LRH: Come on. That's it.

PC: Yeah, there must have been several of them.

PC: I´m sure I must have.

LRH: ... when was that period?

LRH: Must have what?

PC: Yeah. I can't remember when I first met Gernie.

PC: Failed . . . Oh. . .

LRH: That's it.

LRH: Yeah, go on. Have you . . .

PC: Do you follow?

PC: And...

LRH: That's it. We haven't got the first meeting spotted, have we?

LRH: ... ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? There's something in this.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Well, when might it have been?

LRH: All right. What is it?

PC: I — it seems to me it was after Waiting for Godot. I — I — after I did that production. And that was in — sp — well, spring of 57. Yeah.

PC: Well, I'm sure I did. you found it.

LRH: We're getting a bit of reaction there.

LRH: All right. Thank you. I will check it.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Is that all there is to that meeting now?

LRH:Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc?

PC: Yeah. You mean that meeting with Gernie?

PC: Yeah, I must have.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: That's latent now.

PC: Yeah. Far as — yeah.

PC: Yeah. Well, I'm sure I did.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: You're sure you did.

PC: Far as I know.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. What didn't appear there?

LRH:Thank you. All right. Let me ask this question: What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc?

PC: Well, Jack didn't.

PC: Goodness' sakes. Oh, it was a "Point out."

LRH: All right. Okay. Did you particularly want him to appear on that scene?

LRH: Hm?

PC: No, I didn't even know about him existing, you see, at that — at that point, really.

PC: It was "Point out something," l think . .

LRH: Oh, you didn't know he existed at all?

LRH: Hm-hm. All right.

PC: No.

PC: . . . on someone.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. And who didn't find out about that first meeting? I got a reaction.

LRH: Thank you. Let me check that.

PC: Oh, the — yeah, the — the people that ran the American Students and Artists Center didn't find out about that.

PC: All right.

LRH: Oh, yeah. All right. Very good.

LRH:What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? Well, I got . . .

PC: 'Cause they were supporting me, they were behind me, and it was kind of — I don't know.

PC: It must have been "Point out something."

LRH: Well?

LRH:I get a wobbly needle on that. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? I've got a reaction on that still.

PC: I was — l was getting support from other people too. Confused. I was, you know, very confused there.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, all right. Now we're getting onto something interesting While they were supporting you, were you looking for support from other people?

LRH:All right. Let me ask you this question . . .

PC: Yeah, for my — well, not really. But I felt kind of guilty about — people would off — or something. You know, I'd — I'd get admiration and stuff like this. I was becoming an independent figure, you see?

PC: I uh — it was the thirty-six ones, I think.

LRH: I see.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Kind of like this.

PC: You know, the thirty-six Presessions.

LRH: I see.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: In a sense.

PC: Yeah. That was what it was. Hm?

LRH: All right. Good enough.

LRH:Hm-hm. All right. Let me check that again. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? That's still live.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Still.

LRH: Let me check this over now. Another What question here incidental, just to be checked.

LRH:What are you thinking about when you hit that?

PC: Hm.

PC: Well, it — it was one where you have a can between. "Point out something."

LRH: What about these meetings with Gernie? Now there's a double tick on these meetings with Gernie.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: They're certainly occluded, in through here.

PC: That was the one.

LRH: There it is.

LRH: All right. Let me ask you this question.

PC: There's a year . . .

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: There it is.

LRH:What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on?

PC: See, there's a year going through there . . .

PC: I think it was my son. I don't know.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: . . . about that.

PC: Seems like it must have been.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: There's a steep fall here.

PC: You know.

PC: Well, it must have been him. you know, undoubtedly.

LRH: I'm going to put that down as a . . .

LRH:Why? Why undoubtedly? You don't remember this . . .

PC: Boy, I sure had trouble with Gernie later on, so there must be — there must be something in there.

PC: Because that's the one I was thinking of.

LRH: Yeah? You do something to her?

LRH: Oh, all right. All right. I´ll check that.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm.

LRH: What?

LRH:What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right, that's still dirty.

PC: Oh — I — later on there, I fought with her, you know?

PC: Still dirty.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Not dirty, by the way, just falling

PC: Fought with her . . .

PC: Oh.

LRH: Did you do something to her specifically? We got a tick.

LRH: It still reacts, however.

PC: Yeah. I — yeah, one time she wanted to — she wanted to come and have supper with me. I told her no, I was going to go with some other people.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm-km.

LRH:Let me ask you the question again. Now what pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on?

PC: I — I — you know, kind of pushed her away.

PC: I guess that was Carl. Probably.

LRH: You what?

LRH: Who?

PC: I kind of repulsed her.

PC: Carl.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Carl.

PC: Repulsed her and . . .

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Well, let me ask this question: What about refusing Gernie? No, that isn't live. It isn't quite right. What would you do to Gernie? You repulsed her, then.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: That time. Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Well, when was that?

LRH:All right. Thank you. Let me check that. What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right. That's clean.

PC: Was quite a bit later. This — I was back . . .

PC: No kidding It was Carl. Hm!

LRH: Well, when was it?

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: Nineteen — Jesus — Sixty. Spring of 60.

PC: That's true, too.

LRH: All right. Very good.

LRH: It's true?

PC: March of 60.

PC: Yeah. That's the one.

LRH: Is that all there is to it?

LRH:Hm? All right. Very good. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Now, let me ask something here out of my just out of curiosity here.

PC: Well, there's other stuff during that incident. She was producing; I was directing a production there.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Ah. You were working with her.

LRH:You were sort of waiting for the meter to tell you whether that was right or wrong. What was this all about? Didn't you really remember that yourself?

PC: Yeah, working together.

PC: Not until I told it to you.

LRH: Oh, all right.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: Long time.

PC: Not Carl.

LRH: Good. All right. And what didn't appear there?

LRH: All right.

PC: In that particular instance there of repulsing her? Well, some friendliness on my part didn't appear.

PC: I knew there was someone, and the thirty-six Presessions and then this thing between the cans.

LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

LRH:All right. You do remember — you do remember doing this?

PC: Well, Gernie didn't, really.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

LRH: Yeah. All right.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Definitely.

LRH: Let me ask you a couple of just leading questions here, could I?

LRH:Good. All right. Let me check this once more to make sure we get out from underneath the thing

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is there any affair — is there any affair with Gernie? Is there any refusal to have an affair with Gernie?

LRH:All right. What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? I get nothing on that now.

PC: Yeah. Not — do you mean love affair? Or . . .

PC: Mm, it was Carl.

LRH: Yeah, I don't care.

LRH:All right. Okay. Now let's see what luck we have here.

PC: Yeah. It was never — it was — it was neither way, you know? It was — we got together one time and — on this American Theatre Association thing, and she said, "Fred," she said, "I'd help you, but I want something out of it."

PC: All right.

LRH: Hm.

LRH:All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: And I — at that time I — I — I — I wondered — I had the consideration that, well, people should help me because they should help me, you know? Not because they want something out of me.

PC: That hanger.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: You know ? Very . . .

PC: Uh — the couch.

LRH: All right. We're on the double-tick line.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Uh — that uh — connecting thing.

LRH: Go on.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Yeah. And that — that I deserve to be helped. You know?

PC: I could reach that camera.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: I — I — and I don't — I don't need to give anything in return.

PC: The camera holder.

LRH: Ah.

LRH:All right. Thank you. Okay. Squeeze the cans.

PC: Except my — my "contribution of art to the world, "you know?

PC: Did I do it right?

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH:Put those backs of your hands on the table here.

PC: Or something like that — some jazz like that. I'm important enough, and I´m — you know, I should be helped and not be bothered about things like this, and what have you. I — I kind of left her with a maybe on that whole thing.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: What did she mean by, she expected something out of it? What do you think she meant?

LRH:Now put the backs of your hands — now, put your hands up to where I can get them here because I don't want to cover up the dial.

PC: Well, she — she expected to direct a play now and then, when she wanted to, you know . . .

PC: All right. There's my fingers.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now just hold them relaxedly.

PC: . . . enter in artistically into the thing And I wasn't interested in letting her do this. I didn't consider her capable at the time of . . .

PC: Mm.

LRH: Did she ever find out about this?

LRH:Man, there's certainly very little drop here, let me tell you, man. All right. Now, I'll tell you something

PC: She never found out about that, no.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh. Is there a consistent withhold here on the subject of her capability?

LRH:I'll tell you something Is there something that you consistently want that you can't have?

PC: There certainly is, yeah. Certainly is. Certainly is. All through — all through our relationship. Kind of culminating up into producing this play . . .

PC: Sure.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: Well, what is it?

PC: ... together.

PC: Uh — a lot of motion.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: Hm? A lot of . . .

PC: I found out, in working together, that she was very capable.

PC: Motion.

LRH: Oh, I see.

LRH: A lot of motion.

PC: Before that — you know.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You had an opinion through that period?

LRH: And you don't think you can have this?

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: All right. She didn't find out about this at any time?

LRH: Well, all right. All right. Okay. I get a little reaction on this.

PC: No.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did Jack ever find out about this?

LRH: All right. Is there anything else you consistently want that you can't have?

PC: No.

PC: No, I don't think so.

LRH: Might Jack have found out about this when he was auditing you?

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah, he might have, if he'd . . .

PC: Well, I'd like to be a — a real excellent auditor.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: ... asked me.

PC: That I would like. But, you know, that — that I can come to in my own slow way.

LRH: Is there anything else about Gernie that Jack might have found out about? That's it.

LRH: All right. Now, let me ask you this question again just to check it on the meter. Okay?

PC: I — I had a feeling she was interested in me as a man, you see, sexually.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: I see.

LRH: Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have? No, that's quiet now.

PC: I couldn't — you know. I wouldn't want Jack to know that, that I kind of got the idea from her. Not through any really terribly overt — kind of covertly, I mean.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I see.

LRH: It's sensitivity.

PC: And I wouldn't want Jack to know about that.

PC: Just those two things.

LRH: All right. All right. Now let me disentangle . . .

LRH: All right. I'll check it again. Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have? No, that's clean.

PC: Yes.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... all of this a little bit here.

LRH: All right. Very good. Okay, honey. Now, we're not going to fool with this anymore . . .

PC: Right.

PC: Mm.

LRH: And let me ask that question again, check it on the meter.

LRH: ... as a Havingness Process. But I'm going to recommend that we just do a standard job now of trying to find a Havingness Process on you. Okay?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

LRH: Might Jack have found out something about you and Gernie when he was auditing you? Getting a little action on this.

LRH: Because I've taken a little bit of charge off this thing. And I've now got — whether we've got havingness or not — I've got now a rather quiet needle.

PC: Seems to be something else.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: It's what something else?

LRH: This thing was going slamity-slam before.

PC: He might have found something else out — something else about me and Gernie, beside what I said.

PC: I'm not surprised.

LRH: Something else . . .

LRH: Okay?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yes.

LRH: ... than this capability thing

LRH: All right. Let me check these What questions now.

PC: Yeah.

PC: All right.

LRH: Was there anything else to find out? Got a reaction.

LRH: All right?

PC: I didn't like her!

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH: All right. What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. We're just doing a check on this. It's just — this thing is — there's something about this. What about it?

PC: I didn't like her.

PC: Well, I just think it's silly.

LRH: Good. Well, might he have practically blown your head off if he'd fount out about your opinions with Gernie? What do you think? Something going on here.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: Yeah.

PC: You know, what an effect!

LRH: I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.

LRH: Thank you. Let me check that again.

PC: Yeah. I — I — I don't know — I — my considerations at the time or my considerations now?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Your considerations at the time.

LRH: What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. Thank you. That's still a little bit warm.

PC: At the time. Well, you know, I — he might have — he might not have liked me, or something like that. But that's the missed withhold.

PC: Is it?

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me check this lineup now.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, honey.

PC: Yeah.

PC: For goodness' sakes.

LRH: Okay? What about conning Jack Campbell? Got a reaction.

LRH:Now, here's the next one. What about you acting rowdy? All right. That's an active question. Do you care to say anything there particularly?

PC: Hm.

PC: No.

LRH: Instant reaction.

LRH:All right. Thank you, honey. Well, what about withdrawing from people? Let me check that again.

PC: Hm.

PC: All right.

LRH: But it's not now the dirty needle reaction.

LRH:What about withdrawing from people? All right. That's . . .

PC: Yeah. I mean, there are some other times when I conned him, kind of

PC: That one's all right.

LRH: oh, just give me a rapid rundown. What's the relationship here?

LRH: Apparently nothing on it very much.

PC: Well, I — I — I got some books from him and never paid him for the books.

PC: Yeah. I think I undid that one real good.

LRH: All right. Good. Thank you. Any other one?

LRH:By the way, what overt was found that caused that to be asked as a What question?

PC: Oh, I — I — I was going to trade twenty-five hours of auditing with him.

PC: Santa Maria!

LRH: Hm-m.

LRH:What overt was found? This is the question: What about withdrawing from people? I want to know what overt was found that led to that question being asked.

PC: That's — that was a con, because he was a better auditor than I was.

PC: I haven't the faintest idea at this point.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH:What might it have — I get a reaction here.

PC: Actually I got twelve and a half.

PC: Yeah, because I'm supposed to know. I mean, I . . .

LRH: Good. Good.

LRH: Well, do you remember any overt?

PC: Uh...

PC: No, I don't remember.

LRH: Any others?

LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this?

PC: Can't think of any right now.

PC: Oh, yeah, I must have.

LRH: All right. What?

LRH: You must have, but did you?

PC: No, it's a motivator.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, that's all right. What's the motivator? Perfectly all right with me.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah. Well, there's — there was — there was some confusion with him about when I was on the course — when he came on the ACC over here. That's . . .

PC: Sure.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this?

PC: . . . when he was a student on an ACC. He and Vincent came over here. And — well, no, there — th-th-th-th-there's an overt in there. Yeah.

PC: Mm, yeah. But I can't remember it.

LRH: Yeah, that's what I was going to just ask for, but you saved me the trouble.

LRH:All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. All right. Nothing wrong with this.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, I — I had a lot of them, really.

LRH: All right. What's the overt?

LRH:You went over a lot of them with the auditor?

PC: There's an overt in there. He left Mario and myself to teach the course there. Mm?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Mm. What was the type of overt?

PC: And we were supposed to work together in teaching the course.

PC: God...

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Go on, what was the type of overt?

PC: But Mario went on a concert tour, didn't come back.

PC: Oh, withdrawing my support and stuff like that.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm?

PC: See? And he was supposed to come back in a week, didn't come back.

PC: Withdrawing my support and uh . . . Gosh, really, I don't really remember.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: Well, is that so? All right.

PC: . . . at all, you know. But I went ahead and taught the course, myself

PC: Yes, sir.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Thank you.

PC: And spent the time blaming Jack, kind of, for not — you know, for Mario — to let Mario — Jack, everybody else, whereby . . . The overt was — golly, it's kind of — there's something to do with holding down the whole thing by myself . . .

PC: Yes, sir.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: Thank you.

PC: . . . and proving to them that they were no good, or something like this. you know, I don't know.

PC: You're welcome.

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH: All right.

PC: Something like that.

PC: But it seemed terrible at the time, I'm sure.

LRH: Good enough. Thank you. All right, let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? All right. I don't know if that was a reaction or not, I'll check it again.

LRH:Mm-hm. All right. Okay, honey. All right, we've got "What about picking up a body?"

PC: Hm.

PC: That's what I said at the time.

LRH: What about conning Jack Campbell? I've still got some kind of a reaction. Let's get the 1B checked here.

LRH:All right. Very good. I'll check that on the meter again. What about picking up a body? Okay.

PC: All right.

PC: I didn't like that one.

LRH: What about these meetings with Gernie? All right, let me check it again. What about these meetings with Gernie? That is clean.

LRH: What about putting a body in storage?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Pretty terrible, huh ?

LRH: All right. Now let me check the first one again. What about conning Jack Campbell? Let me check it again. What about conning Jack Campbell? I've still got a reaction on that.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Pretty terrible, huh?

LRH: It's much quieter.

LRH: Oh, pretty grim. Well, what about it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah! Just think it used to be a good way to put them in, you know?

LRH: Everything is smoothing out. There is something else here. Is that the first meeting you had with Jack Campbell?

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah!

PC: Save them.

LRH: Was it?

LRH: Thank you.

PC: Yeah!

PC: No problem with me right now.

LRH: All right.

LRH:All right. All right, here's one I find. I'm not going to go over all these.

PC: Far as I know.

PC: I think Mary Sue had a list of the whole bunch on the front of it.

LRH: Now, did you and Gernie talk about Jack Campbell? All right. There's no reaction there.

LRH: on the front of something here, huh?

PC: Hm-m.

PC: on the very first page.

LRH: Is there any other con there that you might have skipped? Did you ever borrow money from him, or . . .

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

PC: Right on the very first page there. Yes!

LRH: . . . never paid it back? You so far have just mentioned course fees, and so forth. Did you ever borrow money and not pay it back?

LRH:All right. I'll check a couple of more of these. What about invalidating a teachers Anything you'd care to say?

PC: I think I paid all the money back I borrowed from him.

PC: Nm. Well, I only did it a couple of times.

LRH: I get no reaction on it.

LRH:All right. Good. Now I'll ask that again. What about invalidating a teacher?

PC: Yeah.

I'm not going to check any more: They're all hot, every one of them.

LRH: All right. Did you ever take a girl away from him?

PC: Good heavens.

PC: No.

LRH:All right, honey. Well arrange to get something flattened on here. Okay?

LRH: Did you ever steal anything off of him?

PC: Except me.

PC: No.

LRH: What about except you?

LRH: All right. Did you ever take a fee while you were teaching there and didn't pay it back, or something like that?

PC: We'll not flatten me.

PC: No. No.

LRH: Horrible remark.

LRH: Huh?

PC: I know.

PC: No. Huh.

LRH:All right, honey. You don't want to be flattened, huh?

LRH: What do you mean?

PC: Uh-uh.

PC: Oh, yeah!

LRH: That's a bad one, huh?

LRH: What?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, I just remembered an overt I got against him . . .

LRH:All right. All right. Now, the only thing I'm going to put down here is "1. Find this pc's Hav Process and use it." And "2. Flatten all What questions on list." And "3. Withdraw both former auditors from auditing." There we are.

LRH: Yeah, all right.

PC: But I had six of them.

PC: . . . on that.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: What is it?

PC: I had six of them!

PC: While I was there, teaching — you know, teaching the course, holding things down, his — I'd use his office, you know, I mean, his office there.

LRH:Good. It's just the last two. Just the last two. Okay?

LRH: Yeah, yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: And he said, well, I wasn't supposed to go in the bottom left-hand drawer of his desk.

LRH:Because when I tell somebody to get something done, then I expect it to get done.

LRH: Right.

PC: Yes, sir.

PC: I'm not supposed to touch that bottom left-hand drawer.

LRH:I found a gross auditing error here in auditing a pc without a Havingness Process. Now, I try not to invalidate your auditors: I'm not interested in invalidating them or not. All I'm interested in is, one day I walk out in the hall and I see a girl I like, called Smokey, and she is looking like she has just been dragged in by the cat, Sambo.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Didn’t, though?

PC: And so I went in the bottom — so I did go in the bottom left-hand drawer . . .

LRH:Yes. And so I says, "Well now, we'll check into this." So I said, "Well, the person has had a lot of What questions run, and we'll get these checked over." They were announced to me as being clear and clean and null: they're all hotter than a pistol.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm.

PC: . . . and rummaged around there a bit, and found some dirty pictures down there.

LRH: Great? Furthermore, they're not very intelligent What questions. But that's all right; that's beside the point.

LRH: Okay.

PC: I had fun with some of them.

PC: And never told him about that. Never told him about it.

LRH:Sure, I know you did. But those things can be cleaned.

LRH: Okay. Did he audit you after that?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

LRH: Okay?

LRH: All right. Thank you. Thank you.

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:so I made up my mind that the cycle of action which I began . . .

LRH: Good enough. Now let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? Well, this is getting to look much cleaner.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:. . . on straightening you up would be finished. I found two gross auditing errors here: one of them is auditing a pc without a Hav Process, and the other one is not flattening the questions. That was all I was looking for.

LRH: All right. What about conning Jack Campbell? I am not now getting an instant read . . .

PC: All right.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: . . . but it's a little bit before, and it's a little bit after.

PC: I think I just fool people, you know?

PC: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of — must be a lot of — several other things I have done to him, you know?

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Well, think of any offhand?

PC: I think I do fool people. You know, I don't usually — you know, it takes a lot to run me down.

PC: Hm, hm, hm.

LRH:All right, honey. As far as fooling people is concerned, you can't fool a meter.

LRH: What's that?

PC: Oh, I didn't try to.

PC: Oh, well, I — yeah. I conned him there.

LRH: I know you don't.

LRH: What?

PC: Hm.

PC: I took the test, my final exam paper . . .

LRH: No, it's just technical.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: . . . from the HPA, home, and did it at home . . .

LRH:What are you trying to do, take responsibility for this? Perfectly all right with me if you do.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: Oh, of course!

PC: . . . in a sense. That's sort of a con. Well, yeah, because I — I — I went home and I — actually, when I took this paper home, I thought it was a joke about learning the Axioms. I — I — you know, learning, memorizing all those Axioms. That was silly.

LRH:All right. Go ahead and take responsibility for it.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

PC: And when I — I came — I brought it back. I copied them out of the book, you know.

LRH: That's all right.

LRH: Hm.

PC: That's better.

PC: Brought them back, you know, I brought them back. And he looked at it, and he checked it over, with me there, and he saw that everything was perfect in it.

LRH:All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Thank you. That's clear.

LRH: Hm-m.

PC: I know.

PC: You know? And he looked at me kind of funny, like "Well, you got it right."

LRH: What were you thinking about?

LRH: Hm.

PC: Naturally it's clear!

PC: I conned him there, because I realized when he looked at me funny that I — it wasn't a joke. I should have memorized those Axioms.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Oh, I get you.

PC: Naturally it's clear.

PC: And I — I hadn't.

LRH:All right. Now, is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this?

LRH: All right.

PC: No.

PC: And — and at that moment I knew that — really that — that I hadn't. You know, I mean, I should have, or something, you know ?

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Hm-hm, yeah.

PC: Not a thing

PC: And I conned him there.

LRH: Anything you care to ask or say before I end it?

LRH: Okay.

PC: Well, just say "thank you," of course.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:All right, honey. Now, I got a little dirty — instant dirty needle there.

LRH: we got it taped now.

PC: Well — uh — well, that's my secret.

PC: Hm.

LRH: What's your secret?

LRH: All right. Let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? This looks fairly clean.

PC: You see, I have hot flushes sometimes.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: I'll check it just one more time. What about conning Jack Campbell? I haven't got anything on it.

PC: Age, you know.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: That's clean.

PC: Mm.

PC: That was a — that was a — actually, that was the big one there. I mean, that — that one there.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. That cleaned it. All right.

PC: so it — it gets a little dirty needle at times . . .

PC: Funny, because I told you about that once, but it wasn't — it wasn't as precise.

LRH: All right, honey.

LRH: It wasn't "who missed the withhold," was it?

PC: . . . on that one thing.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH:Okay. Let me ask this again. Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover?

LRH: Yeah. Now, all right. Anything you care to say before we leave this Prepchecking?

PC: No. Don't think so.

PC: Nope.

LRH: All right. Think of anything else? Little something there?

LRH: All right. Are you sure of that?

PC: Uh — well, I appreciate your finding uh — that the havingness is out, because I do think l need it.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Anything you care to say before we leave this Prepchecking?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Now about the double tick? Is that off ?

LRH: Hm, all right. All right. Good enough.

LRH: I knew there was — I can't find it.

All right. I'm going to check this one question on the meter here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: It started disappearing when we cleaned up Gernie.

LRH:Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover? Thank you. That is clear.

PC: Hm. Hm.

PC: Okay.

LRH: And I haven't seen it.

LRH: All right, honey. Thank you very much.

PC: Hm?

PC: All right. Thank you.

LRH: But you ask about it there. There's . . .

LRH:Put down the cans. you can go to — back downstairs and give the Instructor this.

PC: Hm.

PC: All right.

LRH: ... there's a wide motion, there's a wider motion.

LRH: Thank you.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Yes.

LRH: It's about so long, but it isn't the tick I had in the first place.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Hm.

LRH: I've got a tick here of some kind or another.

PC: Hm.

LRH: It's not a tick. I've got a — a stop and a sweep.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: But I was looking for a dirty little tick-tick.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And it seems to have dived for cover at the moment.

PC: Hm.

LRH: There — no, there it is again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Why? What are you thinking of, as you think of that?

PC: I don't know. That's the funny thing, you see? I kind of look at something. I kind of look at an area of the bank.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: You know, or something, or a piece of a ridge there, or something like that.

LRH: Well, that's all right.

PC: You know ? And I get it there . . .

LRH: It's all right. It's all right. Okay.

PC: I can bring it back by sweeping, you know? Scanning across.

LRH: Well, try it — to bring it back.

PC: 1b bring it back? It's — I don't know.

LRH: Yeah. A little bit. Little bit.

PC: Yeah, there's a little button there, it's — push — I don't know.

LRH: All right. There it is.

PC: Creeps up on me. I was just trying there . . .

LRH: All right. But do you think we've attained anything there, on that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. Now, let's see what we've got here. Okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? What's the half-truth? That's it.

PC: Oh, about writing those things for Robin, maybe. That's what I thought of . . .

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: ... right there.

LRH: Thank you. I'll check it on the meter. Have you told me any half-truth? Got it. Check, bang It reacts.

PC: Hm-hm. Half-truths. Gee, I don't know.

LRH: Hm?

PC: I don't know what it Was.

LRH: Think of anything at all? What's that?

PC: Oh, well, there must be some other things with Jack, I think.

LRH: Oh, all right.

PC: You know.

LRH: All right.

PC: I was . . .

LRH: You weren't satisfied that the What question was clean?

PC: Yeah, I was satisfied.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: There was probably other things on the chain there along some — you know, little ones . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: ... like that, but not enough to . . .

LRH: Okay.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Thank you. I'll check the auditing question. Have you told me any half-truth? Clean. Untruth? What's the untruth?

PC: Untruth.

LRH: That's it. Untruth.

PC: About Gernie? I don't know.

LRH: Think of an untruth?

PC: Well, she didn't actually — I don't think she really ever really insinuated that she was interested in me, sexually.

LRH: Ah.

PC: You know? I — it — I think it was mainly my own ideas or something. You know, I mean, I kind of switched things around or something.

LRH: All right. Okay. Have you told me any untruth? Got a reaction.

PC: Hm. Huh, I don't know what it is. Untruth.

LRH: There's something

PC: I don't know what it is.

LRH: Something there.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. I'll ask the question again.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Your answer is you don't know what it is?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Thank you.

PC: I- I got an idea.

LRH: What is it?

PC: Something about beginning rudiments.

LRH: Did you think one of them was still hot?

PC: Maybe I had kind of a suspicion or something. I wasn't sure.

LRH: Oh, yeah?

PC: Well, it could of — yeah, well, kind of a — of a missed withhold or something, you know?

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: I was — I was — when you said — when you asked about a present time problem, I had a tiny present time problem that I haven't been able to get to sleep too well . . .

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... over the last week or so.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: And I thought that it might show up. And then it didn't show up. And I thought it might show up, and uh — but it didn't show up.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And so I thought maybe that was something wrong there.

LRH: All right. Is there an untruth? Was any of that an untruth?

PC: No, no, there wasn't an untruth on that.

LRH: Well, was it an untruth? Did you tell me that it . . . ?

PC: An untruth, huh?

LRH: Thinking of something there.

PC: Well, yeah. If I said I had a present time problem and it didn't react on the meter, then it would be an untruth.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Is that what occurred?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're not sure?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that your answer?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Very good. I will check that. All right. Have you told me an untruth? I get a reaction. Let me check it again . . .

PC: Hm.

LRH: ... because you got a pretty dirty needle.

PC: \ Yeah.

LRH: Have you told me an untruth?

PC: Gee, I don't know what it is.

LRH: This is very equivocal.

PC: Yeah?

LRH: Do you have a guilty conscience about telling untruths or something of the sort here? This is not getting the same reaction . . .

PC: Yeah.

LRH: . . . constantly at all.

PC: I — I — I have a guilty conscience. It's just, you know, a general one-has-a-guilty-conscience guilty conscience, you know?

LRH: Well, does that upset you that I asked you if you've told an untruth?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that what this is falling on?

PC: Yeah, maybe.

LRH: Well, is it or isn't it?

PC: Yeah, I didn't expect it to fall.

LRH: Oh, all right. Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let me check it again. Have you told me an untruth? Now, I still get a reaction on this. That's it.

PC: Oh. About my friend with the letter?

LRH: All right.

PC: My friend ?

LRH: Well, what's the untruth there? That's it.

PC: Well, I'm not — I'm not absolutely positive I wrote it to the right address. Huh? Have to go back, I have to check my — my address book . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: . . . to make sure, because I just — I wrote the address out, you know . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: . . . after having remembered it. And I'm not — I have to check my address book.

LRH: All right. Thank you. Is there an untruth in that anyplace?

PC: Well, I said that . . .

LRH: What was the untruth?

PC: Hm.

LRH: That's it.

PC: Well, that he — that I'm sure — well, that I'm sure that he would have — would have told me if he had moved.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: You know.

LRH: All right.

PC: And maybe he wouldn't have. I'm not sure that he would have told me that he moved.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Right.

LRH: Very good. Have you told me an untruth? All right. That's clean. Or said something only to impress me? I'll check that again. Have you said something only to impress me? Have you said something only to impress me? I haven't got any reaction on that. Your needle is banging around here . . .

PC: Oh.

LRH: . . . so I have to check it a little bit. Would you care to answer it?

PC: I was thinking maybe that this overt on Robin I said, but it wasn't only to impress you. No, it wasn't.

LRH: All right. Good.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Let me check it again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? Now I am getting a kick on this.

PC: Oh, it wasn't only to impress you, but maybe I — it was a little bit to impress you. This overt on Robin, about writing him notes and stuff . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: . . . like that.

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's clean. Or tried to damage anyone in this session? Thank you. That's clean. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Now what's the ping on that?

PC: I was looking for that — that double tick.

LRH: Oh!

PC: You know?

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: Looking for the double tick that I had.

LRH: Very good. All right. I'll check that. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? I get a little tick on it still.

PC: Well, I implied that I could influence, I suppose, to a certain extent, if I could "push the button." I said I could "push the button" there and get a double tick.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: You know, and that — if that was true, then I could push the button any time and get a double tick.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Sort of push the button.

LRH: All right.

PC: That wasn't true, you know.

LRH: Okay. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Very improbable. I will check it one more time.

PC: Oh, I don't want it to read when — when I can't find anything to — to — for it to read on.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: You see?

LRH: All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? I haven't got a reading here . . .

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... but subject seems to be kind of mucky.

PC: Well, I've kind of held my breath at times, hoping that I wouldn't get any read, or something on that. Read a body read or — I mean, it was silly, you know? I was sort of holding my breath or holding my body still and holding my hands still to make sure that the E-Meter doesn't read.

LRH: All right.

PC: You know.

LRH: Good. All right.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Okay. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Well, this is a bzz-bzz . . .

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: ... sort of question. It isn't reacting very hard, but there's something there. Feel you gave me a lose by making — I was trying to clean up this double tick, or . . .

PC: Something to do with that. No, not so much.

LRH: ... or something like that? Any feeling like that at all?

PC: Yeah. Well, yeah, maybe — maybe I thought it at the moment when I said "What happened to the double tick?"

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And I thought, well, the double tick should have gone by now, you see?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: It cleared up with Gernie, then that was the end of the double tick.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Then it came back.

LRH: Hm.