All right. This is lecture two, September what? Twenty - six?

Thank you.

Audience: 27.

This is what?

Twenty - seventh. You got a day ahead of me. Holy Cats! Here I’ve been in Wednesday all the time, and you're in Thursday. September, 27, AD 12. And this is lecture number two, and it continues on the subject of listing.

Audience: 27th of September AD 12.

The rules of listing. The rules of listing consist of good Model Session, simple auditing, minimum. two - way comm, rapid writing, rapid writing, minimal paper - shuffling, get the goal to fire before you list. Goal no fire: no list. And in addition to all that, be alert for free needles on lines, and when some line has gone free needle, you drop the number of items to be listed on it.

Now, the subject of tonight’s lecture has to do with something you haven’t been paying very much attention to and on which there’s very little technology and which I’ve even got notes for; it’s the first time I think in history. I sometimes come in with notes but I seldom use them. In this particular case I asked Suzie to give me some data from an earlier lecture so that we could compound these lectures and put them all together. And this lecture is all about listing. And you never heard about listing before, obviously.

You still include it in the lineup, to make sure that it doesn't, till you're absolutely convinced that it's going to stay that way, and then you can drop it out. But that's adventurous. You just minimize the number of items. You are listing right now - probably this number will change, this number I'm about to give you will alter - forty lines is the current number of lines being listed on a goal, and those are all listed to free needle. And the number of items you write on a line is four, and you include it in the auditing command.

You’ve heard about listing for 3DXX and the list must be complete. And you’ve heard about listing this and listing that. Well, just so nobody misses it, see, when a goal is found, see, when a goal is found you then have a number of lines, called „lines.“ And item by item, you ask the question of these lines, you see. You ask the question of the lines of the pc and he gives you the answer and that is written down. And that is called line listing. And when you have finished all the lines completely, there is a free needle on all of the lines and you have a Clear. Unless you list the goal, you don’t have one.

You say, "Give me four items for the line, 'Who or what would want to catch catfish?' " And you take your four items. And if the pc forgets the auditing command, you can repeat it for him. But you omit the "give me four items." You can say, "The line was..." "Who or what would want to catch catfish?" is the way you repeat it, okay?

Now, I just wanted to put this in as data in case anybody had missed it. Listing is not Prepchecking. It’s different. Listing is done in Model Session. Listing is done with very good auditing. And anybody who believes that it could be done with slap-happy, Q-and-A auditing sort of thing has got another think coming. And it is a very smooth operation.

Now, that's total standardization. You don't want five, you don't want three. Now, after a line has gone free - and this is subject to amendation on experience - after a line has gone free, you want just one. If it's sitting there with a free needle, it's been sitting there with free needle, you can cut down the number of items listed. And you say, "Give me an item!'

Now, in view of the fact that it is not studded with stellar actions and such as, „Well, I found the dynamic, I found the goal, I found the item!“ Some people don’t think it is important. But it is listing that makes the Clear.

And you get one item for it. That at least keeps the balance. Otherwise that thing is liable to jam out, don't you see? "Who or what would want to catch catfish?"

Now, the things that are listed are items. And today we are listing forty lines. Forty lines-forty. You have sometimes seen marquees on carnivals and so forth: Forty girls-forty. But these are forty lines-forty. And these are all listed. And these lines each contain items which are terminals.

Now, this permits you to catch up old lines, because some lines have been listed a lot longer than others. Don't you see? Because somebody has been listed on four lines or sixteen lines, and therefore, those lines would wind up as being overlisted. They're liable to go Clear, or free needle, before the other lines. There's a possibility of this happening. So this four and one proposition permits those things to catch up.

Now, lists are not done by significances. This is an important point because somebody, sooner or later, is going to mess up a line and fix it up so that it can only be answered with a significance. I’ll give you an example. Here’s a goal: you say, „To be good enough,“ as the goal, and then say, „For what?“ See? That gives you a significance. Well, the line must always be answered-or written in such a way that it can be answered with an item.

Now, however many lines are listed is not very important, and exactly how you handle items after a needle has gone free does not invalidate the data I'm giving you. That's susceptible to amendation. But the facts are these. That you don't want to overlist a free needle. That is one of the rules. Don't overlist a free needle. This person is very, very free, and you overlist it, and you're going to run into the possibility of jamming it all up again. Because the pc is having to create answers, and you have entered in on an area called Creative Processing. And it's not permitted these days.

Now, there are several reasons for this. You want to know why people can’t go Clear just by finding goals. Well, that’s because you can reach infinite distances in the world of thought and therefore reach amongst all of these massy, massive, electronic, supercharged masses called items, which exist in spaces, and which are all jammed up on the time track to time zero, called the GPM. And the GPM is only slightly composed of thought. The GPM is composed of masses. And the masses make up the difficulties that the pc is having. Now, please remember that. Please, please remember it.

You see how that would happen? All right. Now, a pc looks like he's dreaming up the lines, and thinking them up, and creating them - actually not. They’re dealt to him like a stack of cards. He's just dealing out the GPM. He's not inventing anything until he gets to a free needle. And then to have an item he'll have to dream up an item, unless he repeats an item. So you mustn't overlist free needle lines.

It is so easy to face thought, that in all fields of philosophy they thought that thought was enough. And it aren’t, you know. Read the philosophers if you want to know how far they thought thought could think.

Now, the next thing is, is what is a free needle? Well, a free needle is best described as a free needle. Somebody - this is also - you're going to have a happy time with this; more power to you. I can see you now, standing there, somewhat overwrought, having to answer off the bat three people in a co - audit, all of whom are asking you, "But what is (does) a free needle look like?" And they show you proudly a stage four needle, you see.

No, the GPM is made up of masses. And it is masses that keep the pc from going Clear. Not thoughts. In other words, you could audit forever - forever, spelled: f-o-r-e-v-e-r (underscored with an exclamation point afterwards)-in the field of thought without producing a Clear.

They say - the other one - another one is saying, "Is a free needle a quarter of an inch wide, or a half an inch wide?" see. "Is it a free needle at sensitivity 16 or sensitivity l?" "Is it a. . ."

And the reason we’ve made it and others haven’t is based on this one point-this one point: that we have discovered that the bank and the reactive mind contains masses. Whether those are expressed as pictures, as in engrams, as circuits, as machines or anything else, they are masses and they exist in space. And the confrontation of those masses is what makes deaberration. And you could thought and think and thunk and figure and figure and think and thunk and thought for generations, for eons, and for the next two hundred trillion years without making a Clear. Now, do I make myself very positive on this?

And the answer to that is the same answer I'm going to give you. When you see one, you will know one. I've never had anybody fail to look at a free needle that didn't recognize it as a free needle. It suddenly has become unattached to anything. The needle apparently is not connected to the meter or the pc or anything. It's just sitting there floating. And it has an odd, floating characteristic, that has nothing to do with falling or rising. It floats up the dial and it floats down the dial. The pc will be somewhere in the vicinity of Clear read, depending on the accuracy of your meter.

Because you’re liable to slip on this, you see? The reason this is liable to slip is thought is so easy for a thetan to confront. He’s nothing, thoughts are nothing-duplicate perfect. See that? Perfect duplication. See? So he most easily goes to think and he avoids the masses. And you’re going to hear, as the years roll on, people leaping up here and leaping up there and expostulating the fact that somebody could go Clear with „thinks“-because it’s so painful going Clear on masses. They’re so hard to confront, so people are going to take the easy road out and try to go by thinks. You understand?

Do you know that after you've carefully set up a meter, during the process of a session, the discharge of batteries, the warmth of it, the heating of the cans, a number of other things, can change the position of the Clear read? Did you know that? So the way you handle a test, for whether somebody is sitting at Clear, is not to take the meter which you tuned up this morning, and test the pc with it this afternoon. You got that? You have to set it up instantly before the test, and the meter has to be warm. Okay?

So we have to make that clear on listing-that listing consists of getting items, getting the pc to confront items and name them. Now, that is what listing consists of. And you don’t, as an auditor in listing, don’t have to stress this point. All of the mechanical data is already there. You just go through the action of listing and all the rest of this takes place. But that pc is confronting masses! It’s terribly important. See?

If there's any doubt about it at all, have an electrician get you five thousand ohms, and twelve thousand five hundred ohms, and put them on a couple of clips. They're resistors. And get a pair of resistors. You hook those between the cans, and it's very simple. You get two resistors and just - they've got little clips on the end of them, you just hook one end to one can and one end to the other can, keep the cans apart, and your meter should come exactly to the Clear read female and the Clear read male. Okay? Should come right on. In other words, you can tune up a meter even if it were repaired by somebody and its calibration thrown out. And you could know your meter sat someplace else. Don't you see?

Now, the mind, according to every philosopher on the track from here back to none, is composed of thought. See? They all believed it was composed of thought. It was full of think. And nobody ever asked, „What the hell is all this think stuck in? How come he can’t unthink?“

But actually, the resistors can be changed inside this by the trim knob. That's why the Mark IV and later designs will be found to be built with a variable resistance inside the meter. Meters can be changed, meters can be dropped. You can suddenly start using a new type of battery or something of the sort in a meter, and have some other situation set in, don't you see? Something can happen to your meter so that it is no longer accurate.

And you know, I pondered this one question for years and years and years and years and years before I finally came down to the answer of it. You address masses. And you will never think a person through to anyplace. Interesting, isn’t it? You confront him through.

But as far as exactly reading on the Clear read, you should know that five thousand ohms and twelve thousand five hundred ohms is standardized only on fifteen people. That's the original standardization. And that wasn't a very good standardization, don't you see? It was accurate, it was accurate, and it has held amazingly accurate. But what is amazing about it, is that it has held accurate. Do you see that? What's amazing about it, is that they do go to five thousand ohms for a female and twelve thousand five hundred ohms for a male. I mean, that's rather fantastic when you come to think about it.

Now, all of the material that underlies clearing, it’s tremendously extensive. There have been tremendous quantities of it deleted as unnecessary and it comes down to this simple operation known as listing. And the operation looks so simple that it can slip. It is near perfect now; it is very near this. And it contains a complexity of combinations which are staggering once you begin to look them over.

How come? You'd think all thetans were built on the same battery circuits, you know. Actually, it's just the residual resistance of the body itself, and it's not so amazing, because a body is built against certain potentials and actions - electrical potentials. And a body does not depend for its electrical potentials upon the mass of the body.

The GPM is composed of masses. And these masses are composited identities. It’s actually masses of identities.

You're going to get this little four - foot - eight little girl midget, see. Here's this four - foot - eight little girl, she's a very petite package. And here's this girl who has been one of the chorus, she's six - foot - four, see. And the little fourfoot - eight girl, why, she weighs upwards to seventy - nine pounds wringing wet, you see. And here is this beautiful chorus - Iine girl, and she's six - footfour, you see, and built like an Amazon, see. And she weighs something on the order of two hundred and ten pounds, you see. But because these are girls, they're both five thousand ohms. Gets me you know. In other words, this is inserted amongst the same set of anchor points, you might say. It's this - this - anchor points are the similarity, not the mass of the body. All right. That's beside the point.

I’ll show you what happens. The thetan sails through life, he’s wearing a body the whole way, he’s being hit by trucks and hitting trucks and beating his wife and being spat in the face of, you know? She’s been hanging new dresses on herself and corseting herself so that you can put a circle of your fingers around her waist. There’s all kinds of impacts, compression, suppression, so forth. And all the time, this thetan is emanating energy and absorbing energy and emanating and absorbing, and energy is being emanated at him or her and things are absorbing his or her energy and here they are, you see? And when they finally take the body and put it in the six-foot box, or in the tree or in the sand dune or other customs, or send it back to be melted down for the new doll-body factory; when they finally finish up with this, they don’t bury with it the masses. That’s very interesting. But those masses are not buried. The thetan tucks the old tin cans sadly under his arm and goes clanking away, dragging every chain of that lifetime.

How accurate this is, to some slight degree, remains to be seen, see. How dead - on this is remains to be seen. I have to give you that word of warning because I tell you what the calibration was based on, see. Based on only fifteen people. All right. And on an American 1957 meter. Something to know, isn't it?

And not having any way to get rid of them and not knowing what to do with them and being low on havingness anyhow, he sort of tucks them all together and wads them up, you know? He takes a whole lifetime and makes it look like a Kleenex and stuffs it someplace because it may someday be of use. And also because he’s never known what the devil to do with it. He tries to shove it into bodies and it doesn’t stick. He says it belongs to bodies and wears it on himself This thing is pretty fabulous when you come to think about it. What the devil is he going to do with his accumulated bric-a-brac? A lifetime looks like a picnic-ground Monday. With no place to put any of the debris. So he’s sort of liable to pack it over into the corner and wad it down. When you finally get all through he’s got a GPM that’s a honey. Because he’s done this hundreds of lives, thousands of lives, millions of lives, and every one of them had its residue.

And I tuned up its resistances afterwards, and I said that's what they are. And the electronics boy, Scientologist, there working in the organization went down immediately and ... You know, it some - it's something like carrying the measurement on a piece of string. You've done it yourself. You've taken a piece of string at one end of the garden, you know, and carried it over to the other end of the garden to find out if you could get the chair through the gate, or something, you know. You've done things like this. Well, that's - that's about the accuracy of it, see. He took the piece of string, you know, down to the electronics workbench and measured it. Actually carried the meter down, and measured its ohmage.

Well, there it is. There’s the stuff. There’s the junk. Not only that, but this material has the oddity of appearing in his vicinity as a whole beingness, as a machine, as a circuit, as a thinkingness. All kinds of weird things occurs. He sees himself yesterday and he says, „Ooooh! There’s somebody.“ Yes, there was somebody. And this is very, very often compounded. But sometimes he does see somebody, don’t you see? He sees you or he sees somebody, or he sees another thetan and he wonders whether or not it isn’t a valence or an item, or whether you aren’t part of his bank. And you know there are people walking around right now that think everything else and everybody else they see is just part of their own reactivity.

Now, that was the score on these things. Now, the basic datum on which this is taken is interesting. It's the United States Army meter resistance, or electrical resistance of a dead body. And they claim it is ten thousand ohms approximately, with great differences. They never noticed, see. They averaged this amongst men and women corpses. Get the idea? That's the only other known datum on this.

In the story Fear (not calling off any of my own bibliography), the stunt of walking down the street and being absolutely sure that the whole street is knocked down and dismantled as soon as one is out of sight of it, you see, and making sure that the people who are talking together don’t just stand there like dummies after one has gone by and never move thereafter, you see - this feeling that the whole world is an emanation of self could be a result of one of these packed-up banks. He can’t any longer tell the difference between an identity in the bank or an actual being or anything like this. It gets to be pretty mixed up. He finally gets so he doesn’t know them and he doesn’t know himself and he doesn’t want to know. He doesn’t know how it got that way and he doesn’t know what to do with it.

Now, if you want to go down to a mortuary sometime with a volt meter, why, more power to you. And if you do, for heaven's sakes send me the data. They got some stiffs down here and so forth. There are three white men, a Mexican, a Negro and a Chinese, you know? And their ohmage is so - and - so and so - and - so and so - and - so. Good. I´d be very happy to have the data. You see, the data's quite scarce. Very scarce.

So he invents psychology, which proves to people that you’ve got to be crazy to be clever. „Be Glad You’re Neurotic“-have you ever read that great textbook? Well, that actually is the type of textbook that a thetan writes when he’s just given up, man. He says, „There must be some use for it.“ He’s been saying that for trillennia, you see? So finally he knows the use for it; you write a book about it and say, „Be glad you’re neurotic.“ It’s a valuable possession.

Now, just with that word of warning, put your reliance on the free needle.

Well, you’d think processing some pcs that you were trying to take away their head when you take away an item sometime. They’d be very sad about it and they’d be very upset and they’d be very this and very that. The item you’re trying to get is a crazy man that has made this person unsuccessful his whole lifetime, hasn’t even been a game, he didn’t even know he had it. See? This thing is pretty wild.

Now, you're going to get somewhere near, on your meter, the "M" for males, and the "F" for females. But as long as it's in that range, don't quibble about it too much. But let me tell you, that if men are reading at 2.0 with a free needle, and women are reading at 3.0 with a free needle, I don't know what's reading with the free needle, but it's not the pc. See, if it's within a tenth, within a quarter, something like that, of male or female read, fine, see. That's fine. Don't argue with that too much, see. But a whole division, or a swap - around that way, no, I - that's too far out.

Now, it’s listing that gets rid of all these items and that accumulation. The fantastic thing has occurred of finding out how it is that the masses came into being in the first place. And that’s really pretty fantastic to plumb that particular secret. But that is the secret of any being. That is his secret. How did the masses materialize in the first place?

Now, as far as somebody reading with a free needle at 5.0 - nup, nup, nup. Ain't never happened, ain't never gonna happen. When they get up to 5.0, man, there is something wrong! When somebody's reading at 4.5 and 5.0 constantly, and never comes down from 4.5 and 5.0, all tone arm motion is somewhere in the vicinity of 5.0, like 4.75 to 5.25, see, you've got something wrong. That we have learned. That is just experiential, that is absolutely, completely, empirical data. Just by observation.

They materialized through an alter-isness of his basic purpose. And if he never altered his basic purpose and never lost and never had any conflict with life because of his basic purpose and was always able to carry it out, theoretically he would have gathered no mass. Theoretically. It was never opposed, he never opposed anything with it, don’t you see? Theoretically it’d never happen. So it’s an alter-is of this one idée fixe, the basic purpose of the being.

Somebody's listing, and they never move off 5.0, and one session they're at 5.25, and the next session they're at 4.75, and next session they're at 5.0, and they just - 5.0 and 4.5 and 5.5 and 5.0, and ... Well, you better look into that, man, because that's one of the warning signs. That's one of the warning signs. That's wrong goal, wrong auditor, you know.

Now, he just-one day he was floating out amongst the clouds and he was awful bored and he didn’t have anything to do, and by God, he thought something up.

Now, these things are important to you, because they are the criteria by which you’re making a Clear. It isn't whether or not the pc can spring over the back fence with one leap, see. Or whether he can now do a hundred and seventy - five handstands, whereby yesterday he could only do one, and collapse, you see. That has nothing to do with it. That is spectacular, but it's not data. Clear is registered on a meter. Not on a pc. Because, boy, can you be fooled.

He says, „Well. .

Somebody can go into some tearing manic, you know. Man! They've never been able to lift pianos before, and they got one in each hand, you know? There they are! And you say, "Well! Fine! He's Clear!" Yeah, he's Clear, till that valence called Hercules suddenly slips into another part of the bank, you see. That was always the trouble with it, anyhow. It was never there when it was needed, long enough.

See, he doesn’t care-he’s gone beyond caring now, see?

No, it's not the conduct of the pc that makes a Clear, see, never. Now, the only use - the only thing you use the pc for is to find out if the pc is looking worse. Now, how much worse is worse? Well, I could again see you standing in that lecture room with eighteen standing around you, saying, "Well, the pc looks worse." And they all think, how much worse is worse, see. "How much worse is worse? Is worse worse than worse, or is worse worse than worse?" Well, worse is how the pc looks when they’re being audited on wrong goals or by the wrong auditor. That's - that's what worse is. That's how the pc looks.

And he says, „Well-no games. I think I had better have a basic purpose. I really should have a purpose in life. What would be a good purpose in life?“

Frankly, it is basically a question of how old they look. There's another factor which is interesting. It's a glowingness of the skin. When a person is going wrong way to in goals finding or Prepchecking, and it's all getting very weird and rough and mean, or they're being audited on a wrong goal, their skin goes dull, very dull, extremely dull. So much so, that I can usually tell at a glance just about where somebody is in processing and how well the processing is going.

There’s no reason for him to have it at all, you see?

Because it's the youthness of the skin. And after they've been audited properly, you’ll find that they glow. The skin has a glow to it. Has nothing anything to do with color, it's just that the skin glows. And the skin doesn't glow, they are not making good progress. Skin does glow, why, they're making good progress. Skin was glowing yesterday, isn't glowing today, well they're having a bad day.

He says, „To catch catfish. That will be it. That’s a good, laudable purpose. Catfish are evil beings and I’m going to catch catfish. And that’s going to be my purpose in life.“

Skin was glowing on Monday, but on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you in observing them, decide that they're looking older, and look less glowy, and less glowy, there is something wrong. You understand? They'll get less glowy for a period, like a day, or two sessions, or something like that, and more glowy. But consistent unglowiness, we don't tolerate. Got it? It's - you might call it the firefly effect.

So he gets a job as a street sweeper, walking around with a dustbin, spearing paper. There aren’t any catfish. Well, he’s in trouble now, you see? He’s got to go through all the motions of materializing catfish so he can catch catfish. And then he’s got to have some opposition to him doing this. And then he’s got to have this and he’s got to have that. And the laws of games set in at once. And he starts individuating out of existence, having made this basic purpose.

But you’d be amazed. Now, the funny part of it is, is their physiological structure changes in clearing, and they look older, and they look worse, and they - their bones go worse. Body mass and - can be measured on scales. But these other things aren’t as measurable as that. Their body mass will ordinarily lessen on proper auditing on the right goal. It’ll streamline down. And it will increase, definitely, on the wrong goal. And will not decrease on bad auditing. Not decrease on bad auditing.

Now, he little envisioned any vast consequences of this, or that he would forget his basic purpose, or it’d be so lost as to be unexecutable. Or to face the fact that the one thing he did with strain was his basic purpose. He could do anything else well. But this one was tough to do. He had to do it and it was very hard to do. It practically wore him out, but he never much paid any attention to that. But the reason he was accumulating everything and had unsuccessful lives and didn’t have a game was the reason why-the only thing is he is specialized in his game, you see? The game must only be to catch catfish. He may play no other game.

Won't necessarily increase on bad auditing, but it could. But not necessarily. On a wrong goal, it increases fantastically! Zoom! You're liable to have him put on two, three stone - twenty - eight, forty - two pounds, to Americans. I didn't get this "stone" stuff myself until a short time ago. They didn't have any weights over here, they had to use stones. That's ...

So there is his idée fixe, his total limitation of ability. And as he goes along the trillennia, this thing snowballs in terms of mass. He accumulates beingnesses. He opposes beingnesses. He gets mental image pictures of these things. He tries to oppose his own goal. He does everything you can think of And eventually he’s walking around and he doesn’t know whether he’s afoot or horseback, much less able to or not able to catch catfish. Finally he has - thinks he has thousands of purposes and he can’t execute any of them and he is a confused boy.

Anyway, weight goes up on wrong goal and doesn't decrease on wrong auditing. That's just a casual mark, not of any vast importance. Might be of some interest to you. This glow principle is very important. People run on wrong goals unglow fast. The tides of night sweep across the psyche.

Now, there is a school of thought, an interesting school of thought, that tells you that livingness is necessary. You very often hear an auditor say this. I’ve never come down under it or made many comments about it. But here’s the truth of this school of thought of „livingness is necessary“: Familiarization with something raises ability. You go out and pat an automobile for a while and you’ll improve your ability to drive.

Now, physiological facial structure can alter, too. I've seen jaws, jawbones decrease in size, increase in size, faces fill out, so on. Quite a common thing is for the face to start sinking under the wrong goal or bad auditing. The face gets sinking - it starts sinking in. Gets flatter. And starts to fill out on good auditing and the right goal. The shape comes forward.

Now, that is true. Because it’s an analytical, causative motion whereby the individual is actually touching and withdrawing from an automobile. And familiarization will result so long as the person is at cause. Now, that’s as far as that livingness thing goes. But because it exists to that degree it has been stretched to an enormous extent. And what does it look like now? Well, if you have enough automobile wrecks you won’t mind them. And you know that isn’t true? It just isn’t true.

All of these are various manifestations. And you’ll get a little experienced on this, keeping your weather eye peeled. And one fine day, why, you get to the point where you can just - actually just look at a case and know whether it's running right or not, you know. Bang! Just like that.

Now, if you have a goal to wreck cars, you won’t have much trouble in automobile wrecks, because that’s your basic purpose, after all. You’ll be able to wreck cars with enormous impunity. You’ll be amazing. You’ll be somebody like Lucky Teeter. You can go out on a fairgrounds and run cars over jumps and smash them into walls and lock them up in barns and set it on fire, and do all kinds of mad things on the subject of wrecking cars, and it looks like familiarization. But every once in a while this fellow, Lucky Teeter, will pick up some young fellow that he’s going to train-and here’s something very peculiar-he never seems to be able to train these young fellows. They wreck cars all right. And wherever Lucky Teeter has gone, you come in the town a short time afterwards, you will find that there’s one or two young fellows in the hospital there recovering from burns, breaks and contusions.

You say, "Well, that isn't so good."

Now, you know by experience that if you break your leg once it’ll heal up pretty well. And if you break it twice you have a little harder time at it. And if you break it three times it starts to get pretty difficult. And you break it four times you don’t even bother to heal it up. In other words, you don’t get used to it.

You would ask the auditor, "Which lines is the pc ARC broke on?"

And the basic lie on the track is that you can get used to this universe. See? That is a wild game that passed off in some direction or another and it’s never materialized. So a thetan keeps on going up the time track expecting at any time to get used to the universe. And he’s getting less and less and less and less effective, picking up more and more psychosomatics, picking up more and more difficulties, having more and more GPM, always hoping he’s going to get used to this livingness. That’s one of the biggest operations that was ever pulled off on life. And it’s one of the primary operations of this universe. That you can just get used to it-you’re all set-if you can get used to it. If you just fall down enough wells, you’ll eventually get an expert well-faller-downer.

And the auditor would say, "How did you know?" you know.

Familiarization, oddly enough, requires an entirely different action. The pc must be at cause. And the pc must do the reaching and withdrawing. And life, if you will notice, does most of the reaching. And the person is carefully educated in this universe that he cannot have caused it. Having built it, he’s now told somebody else did. Uniform lie.

You'd say to the pc, "Well, are you very dizzy today?"

You get the compositings of these lies and you get the fact that there was no possibility of a person living his way out of it. This is one of the earliest philosophies that you run into when you start to do listing. I’m not berating this universe. One isn’t berating it just to say what it’s about.

"Oh, how did you know?"

The individual, then, as far as the GPM-take any cycle of the GPM; operates as the whole GPM-the individual, then, is a universe. He is building up as a universe; he is collecting the mass of a universe, so on. Because he apparently follows identically the pattern of this universe. The physical universe is a ba-is basically built on a postulate which was alter-ised. That’s apparently the mechanism of the sixth dynamic. That’s apparently how it was built. Now, a thetan does this same thing and he builds up on this basic purpose. ,

The room is going round and round and round, you see. Wrong, suppressive auditing. Other things, see?

Now, here’s what’s wonderful about this. There is only one basic purpose at a time. This is quite fabulous. There’s just one at a time. Now, why that is, I don’t know, see? You can find an earlier basic purpose in the individual-it governed an earlier cycle. But you won’t find that earlier cycle. I’ve thought for a while you could reach deeper in the bank and you could do some things like that-no, you can’t. You find the goal you find and you will only find one. That’s qu-that’s nuts, you see? You’re only going to find one goal in this individual-until it is gone-and then you can find an earlier goal. Then list it out. And then you can find an earlier goal. But at no time do you find two goals! This may be-come as a surprise to some of you, because I’ve never said it that emphatically. There isn’t any such thing as two goals.

Now, if the goal is found but the pc is running wrong in listing, you have these items that could be in error. It could be one of these: One, the goal could be wrong. You never really trust a goal till it's been listed a bit. Yeah, all the other signs are fine, and the wrong goal won't keep on firing, and a lot of other things, but just for your own peace of mind, why, the goal is found and proven when it's been checked out by a - found by the - an auditor, checked out by another auditor, and listed a bit. How much is a bit? I can see you now, in the lecture room ... Why should I dream up figures for these things, you see. They depend basically on observation and judgment. Trying to communicate them to you with a bunch of invented facts would, Im afraid, serve no purpose at all.

As you sit there as an auditor finding goals, you’ve paid your money and you takes your chance. There it is, man. There’s only one. I don’t care how long the list is, there’s only one goal on it. You can console yourself with this interesting fact: that it does exist. Or the person wouldn’t be here. It is here, in other words, and there’s only one.

Now, these are quite correct, these six things. Goal could be wrong; (2) lines could be wrong; (3) auditor has not cleared goal by "in auditing, on the goal. . ." Tiger Drill - and gotten goal reading, see. Didn't get the goal firing - number three; (4) rudiments are out. I think you possibly have heard of rudiments being out in sessions. That includes, of course, missed withholds. Bulletin May the 3rd, 1962; (5) pc protesting about listing a line or listing lines - listing and lines. Pc's saying, "Whra - whra - whra - ne - wra - I don’t need these lists - ah - tha - wrah - tha - nah." Something wrong; and (6) the consequences of being cleared. And that you haven't paid enough attention to.

Now, that one has accumulated unto itself, by collisions with other identities and activities, many more purposes. What is the purpose of a catfish? Well, this is one of the ways-you get it by oppgoals-one of the purposes of a catfish could be „not to get caught.“ And an individual who is catching catfish will eventually pick up the goal „not to be caught.“ And it’s all tangled up in the GPM and he very often doesn’t know whether it’s his or somebody else’s or anything else.

That's a very, very interesting one, however. Pcs have been known not to put their goals on a list, because they were so frightened of becoming cleared. What happens to you when you become cleared? Oooh, you turn into solid glass, of course, and then put on display in the Metropolitan Museum. They know what happens to you if you get Clear. They - of all of the aberrated balderdash and nonsense you ever want to listen to.

Other way: He goes up the track-the silly goof-and he’s been catching catfish and catching catfish, but for some reason or other, Town and County Planning has eradicated all catfish, you see? They’ve gotten rid of them all and they passed an ordinance, you see, against them and said that this is it, see? And this is unreasonable because it isn’t even in their department, you see?

Well, get somebody who has been - who has got "Nothing" confused with having been imprisoned. You know, they got a complete identification. Remember people get identifications. You've heard of A=A=A=A. Well, it's never more present than in the vicinity of the goal - never more present.

But the individual is kind of wiped out about the whole thing so he gets the goal „to eradicate all governments.“ He decides that because, you see, he has to eradicate all governments in order to catch catfish, see. You get how this works, see. Now, in the process of eradicating all governments he finds out that he can’t rouse up people to doing anything about it. He goes around and they’re all reasonable, you know? They say, „Well, Town and County Planning men mean well, and they aren’t all idiots the way you say, and they’re perfectly reasonable, and you have to have planning.“

And they get some wild identification of some kind or another and they want to be cleared, but when you come right down to asking them for their goal, you’ll have a person here or there who will suddenly - you can hear the squeal of the brakes, you know? You can see the furrows in the roadway as the heels dig in. And they'll have various interesting things go wrong. Odd part of it is, this is not the thetan operating, see. They got a valence, and it's having a ball! And of course the keynote of any valence is survival. That is the common denominator of valences. And things that valences do to perpetuate themselves is fantastic! And one of the things that they do, is resist clearing.

Here’s all sorts of weird and odd things, you see. So eventually he decides to hell with this, I’d better dream myself up another idea here. And he does. And he decides to increase his ability to convince people. Here’s another goal: „to convince people.“ Now he finds out that the people are just in total overwhelm with regard to the government, and even though he convinces them, nothing happens. They just go on paying their income taxes and tearing down their homes and so forth.

You see all the time the pc was living that life he was trying to live, wasn't he? He was trying to survive. Well, this valence is just the leftover shell of that life, which go on - goes on operating in the bank like a thinking being. Well, there it is, and its basic motivation is to survive. And all of a sudden the person gets the idea that something's going to happen to valences. You know? But as a valence, gets the idea that something is going to happen to valences, you got that?

And so he finally says, „To squeal with this.“ He says, „I’m just going to be above it all.“

This is very funny. As a thetan, the person is all the time cooperating with you to get Clear, see. But every once in a while in an auditing session, or something like that, particularly somebody who has a goal that is in the direction of good auditing, or something like that - a person with a goal, "to be a good auditor" - you know, let's say that was the basic purpose of the person, which it wouldn't be, you see - we get a "to be a good auditor" and then you get him shifted, and they’re in a valence of a pc. And they aren't themselves as a pc, ever, you get the idea? Something weird like this going on. And they set up the awfullest commotion abo - sometimes about going Clear. And they stand back, and look at themselves and "Look at this silly mess I'm making. Now, what it is?"

Now, you try to get him on an E-Meter and, of course, he yo-yos all the time. It’s all right, I washed that one out last night so I can use it.

You know, if you ever believe it, you almost crack the person up as a thetan. lf you really pay any real attention to this. You know, besides clearing it up. lf you should say, "Well, he doesn't want to get Clear," and so on, man! You’ll see this as we go along the track here on Earth, you’ll see this.

Now, you think your old goals will never be used again. You’d be surprised. They live on and on.

There's somebody bra - he's throwing brickbrats - bats, you know, and he's drawing cartoons of us, and he's raising hell with us, and so forth, and he's screaming in an awful fit. And if you really want to break his heart just tell him, "Well, we're not going to clear you." Maybe the very subject of the cartoons is "Getting Clear - that's terrible! They're making supermen! They're doing Germans' stuff ! And we're going to be invaded again, by men from Mars!" and any kind of idiocy, see.

You see how it goes?

And you just say to the fellow, "Well, we're not going to clear you." He’ll really go to pieces. This is the most fantastic thing you ever wanted to see. And if you Q - and - A with this, and if you get a pc actually in there saying, "Oh, no, no, no! I - no, no - tha - da - Iisting lines is terrible!" and so on. Just finding trouble, see. The auditor's wrong and the lines are wrong and the goal is wrong and everything is wrong and you're wrong and the room is wrong and everything is wrong and you can't audit and so forth, and what did they teach you at Saint Hill anyhow, you know. On and on and on and on and on and on and so forth. This could be one of the things.

Now, he could have thousands of these things. He’s got the oppgoals, and he’s got the goals he had to have because of the goals, and then he finally finds out that catfish are sympathetic and come around and nibble at him when he’s in despair, so he has a goal to be in despair. See? And it’s all around. And then he doesn’t know what he’s trying to do after a while. Is he trying to be above it all? Or to eradicate governments? Or convince people? Or what? And somehow or other he overlooks the basic goal. He never seems to be able to get near it. It’s so charged up by this time that he can’t approach it. He doesn’t recognize it. He doesn’t know what he’s trying to do.

Well, you don't condemn the person, you simply audit it. Because if at any moment during all those protests, you were to say, "Well, all right then I won't," you should see their face sag. And a person will come right out of a session doing that who hasn't found his goal yet, or something, and write down lists for you and give them to you and foree them off on you and everything else, you know. This is the most fantastic phenomena that you ever wanted to witness, when you really see this in high bloom. And you never suspect it because the person is quite often quite cooperative while they've got their heels set. Covert. Only their cooperation will be quite real. But they've still got their heels set.

And here is a being who is totally built, you might say, as far as the mass he’s collected, on a purpose, being purposeless. And the result of his purpose is eventual purposelessness. And the reason he’s purposeless and can’t seem to get anything done is because he has a tremendous purpose that he doesn’t know anything about, and to break your heart, didn’t need in the first place.

There's various ways of doing this. The simplest one of course is "What would be the consequences of my clearing you?" Remember it must be ". . . MY clearing you" or ". . . our clearing you." It is never "What's the consequences of going Clear?" That is a wrong auditing command. It's generally tied up with the person's valence, which is opposed to some valence that you are. Let's say you're a male auditor and it's a female pc and she hates men. And the consequences are not that of going Clear, but of being cleared by a man. She knows what that means. And this is basically what is at the bottom of it, see.

Now, finding the goal is difficult. Sometimes it just drops in your lap. Finding the goal is difficult. And therefore, listing it by comparison appears to be less vital and so you’re likely to neglect it. But this is true: Bad listing, or bad auditing during listing, can wipe out and cancel any benefit of the goal and make the pc worse! Just remember that when you’re teaching HPAs and other people to list, see? Just remember that. Bad listing can wipe out all the hard work that the goal finder has done. A goal can become utterly and completely submerged and unrecognizable, completely challenged, mishmashed and the pc turned into a bundle of sensation and dizziness and no pain, and everything pushed out of line and messed up with bad listing.

Going Clear gets associated in people's minds with being killed and exteriorizing from a dead body, which of course it isn't. See, being Cl - going Clear gets reactively associated with the idea of ceasing to exist. They very often will give you some of the silliest answers. Some of the answers you hear coming off of this, the person listening to them himself or herself doesn't believe them either. They just sound utterly balderdash. And it's a valence proposition is what you're looking at.

How can you do this?

Well, if the pc is stuck that thoroughly in that valence, that valence is oddly enough not going to list out. UM be the valence the pc doesn't see or the valence the pc sees last is the valence the pc is in most. Now, I call to your attention the old Reality Scale, and some of all of that data. See, it's the last one they see, is the one they're in the most, see.

All right. Let me show you the basic mechanism. When you’re checking out this goal, it isn’t a goal unless it has pain on it. You all know that. All right. Their sen comes and goes. Sen is not opposition. I will tell you what sen is: Sen is the product of the three buttons: Suppress, Careful of and Failed to reveal. Now, I’ll tell you some other time about Big Tiger, but you can just rack it up for now that you’ve got, in an ordinary Tiger Drill, you’ve got-this is an ordinary Tiger Drill-you’ve got over on the left side-if you can envision it here.

My God, it’ll kick up an awful fuss. And you're having trouble, trouble, trouble. Well, there's various reasons pcs can get ARC breaks in goals finding. We're not touching on those now. Although this consequences of being cleared does enter into goals finding. But it certainly enters into listing. And it enters into listing more than it does goals finding. Person might have sat there like a little wooden soldier and let you find their goal. And you start listing it, and this is another story. Because you're asking for valences, and the valences restimulate, and all of a sudden everything is blowing up and going to blooey, see. Yow!

You’ve got three buttons here; you’ve got Suppress, you’ve got Careful of and you’ve got Failed to reveal. They’re the guard of the left. And here we have: Invalidate, Suggest and Mistake. And they’re the guard of the right. Got these three now? Group your Tiger Drill this way.

"Oh, you mean to say, me as a soldier is going to get killed. Me as a mother is going to get killed. Me as a . . ." see, ". . . is going to get killed. I am being wiped out. I am being slaughtered," so forth.

These buttons, Suppress, Careful of and Fail to review [reveal] produce sen, and these buttons produce pain. That ought to make Tiger Drilling awful easy for you. Not Big Tiger, but ordinary Tiger. See? Awful easy. There they are.

Well, I don't know. Its exteriorizing them from a valence. They also restimulate, of course, death. And getting rid of a valence may restimulate the idea of exteriorization from a body. You see these various things, how they cross up. But they're just reactive and they have no basis in fact and they're nothing to slow you down. And if you don't clean it up, you of course have got somebody who is ashamed of being so ARC breaky. And you just hung the person with shame - shame, so therefore they suppress this, and the next moment you've got sen, sen, sen, in all directions if you let them stack it up, stack it up, stack it up. Okay?

It doesn’t much matter the order in which these buttons are hit in this particular drilling. But remember this: The goal fires falsely on the buttons on the right, Invalidation, Suggest and Mistake. They make the goal fire falsely. See? This goal I just gave you, „to be above all,“ it fires falsely if there’s any fire in it at all, you see? You know, ticks and things-not rocket reads - but ticks and so on. It makes it look like it’s the goal, you see? Because of these three buttons: Invalidate, Suggest, Mistake.

Now, the - as I say the auditing command "What is - what would be the consequences of my clearing you?" "What would be the consequences of our clearing you?" whichever seems to fit the bill. And you run that. And how flat do you run it? Well, I can see you now, standing in that lecture hall ... Anyhow, let's go on.

All right. Sen-sensation, motion, misemotion, so forth-these things are caused by Suppress, Careful of and Fail to reveal.

Actually you never do patch - l'll give you a rule for that. You never do patch - up jobs longer than is necessary to get done what you were trying to do in the first place. Now, if you'd just had that when you were coming up the track - I hate to be critical - but if you'd just thrown that second goal away, you see, at the time that it ceased to be of any use to you. You'd - that is to say, in effecting the first goal - see, you're trying to effect the first goal so you get a second goal. And if you use this second goal longer than is necessary to get the first goal effected, why, then you've got your start of the bank. And auditing can actually approximate that little goofball situation there.

And when the goal doesn’t fire it’s in the left-hand column: Suppress, Careful of and Fail to reveal.

So, don't ever do anything longer than is necessary to get done what you are trying to do. You’ll save more auditing time that way. That's a nice, crude rule of thumb, but it's awfully good. You're running O/W, and you’re still getting needle ticks and actions when on the question, but the person's needle is now smooth. And you keep on running O/W. Well, you're being a knucklehead, of course.

And when the goal falsely fires it’s over here in the right-hand column: Invalidate, Suggest and Mistake. You got that? That’s very neat, isn’t it? All right. Well, call that just ordinary Tiger Drill. You see the goal fires, pick a right-hand button; goal doesn’t fire, pick a left-hand button. Got it?

Similarly, any such thing as, ”What would be the consequences of getting Clear?” you'd run that long enough to get items on the list smoothly and without trouble. Because of course it's just coming from a valence anyhow. And this process is not going to get rid of any valences. Trying to change the mind of a machine, a valence or a circuit is - underscore this - impossible. You cannot change the mind of a valence or a machine or a circuit. It's not possible.

Sensation is totally not the product of opposition, although opposition will also give you sensation. You should ask yourself, „Why does opposition give you sensation?“ It’s because you’re suppressing it and it’s suppressing you. Actually, suppression gives you sensation. Being careful of gives sensation. Fail to reveal gives a sensation. See, it’s a pull-in. Got it?

You can submerge it, you can suppress it, you can wreck it, by making it inactive. You know, hit it - you can hit the steam engine hard enough on the valves and controls, and so forth, so it apparently won't run, but you can't change it into a petrol engine. You know, say, "Run like a petrol engine," and keep stoking up the boiler. Won't work. You can't change the mind of a valence.

Now, these buttons can get tangled up with the right-hand buttons so that sometimes you get the goal firing and you find out it was a Suppress that was firing. But boy, that’s all tangled up. And if you analyzed it very carefully you’d find out it was an invalidation which had been suppressed, you see? It’s intertwined, it’s a mess in other words. And you get it straightened out, but this is your order of action.

That by the way goes back - to the first lecture I was telling you why thought, see. Well actually, the thought is encased in mass. And you can pull some of it out, and you can alter it in the mass, but in aggregate, the mass exists on and on and on and will continue to encase thought. You cant´t take the thought out of the mass, but you can take the mass off the thought at which moment the thought evaporates. I’ve lectured on that before. Quite interesting phenomena.

Now, you got this guy, he’s got his goal-there’s got to be pain, see, while you’re listing that goal. There must be pain. There’s also going to be some sensation and so forth. But while you’re listing that goal, if you got the pc to suppressing you, the auditor, or if you the auditor got to suppressing the pc, his right goal will turn into a total sen. It is his goal and he’ll get nothing but sensation on all lines. In other words, he’s suppressing the auditing; he’s being careful of the auditing; he’s failing to reveal things. Don’t you see? And the net result of that is it’ll look just like a wrong goal.

Yet you can list these consequences of being cleared out, providing the consequences of being cleared aren't causing suppression in the session. So you see you can deintensify a mind, but you cannot change a mind. So all you're doing with this is deintensifying the objections. Got that? When I'm saying % mind" you realize I refer to the mind of a valence or the mind of a circuit. These are little minds that guys have stuck around their own mind, the mind majeur, and I was referring to the mind mineur.

And one of the primary tests of whether or not it’s the right goal is whether on listing it produces pain. And if a goal only produces sensation, on listing, your first conclusion perhaps would be to call it a wrong goal. Ah, but supposing you have Joe Jinx who almost got through the Comm Course. He failed; he couldn’t remember where the door was. And you got this fellow listing and you hear his auditor’s report, see? You get his auditor’s report.

All right. Somebody sooner or later though, is going to take that out of context and say, "Well, Ron says you can't change anybody's mind."

And he says, „Well, I don’t know, the pc, every time I ask these questions, ‘Who or what would want to catch catfish?’ and so forth, the pc just goes dizzy, or cries.“

Now, that's an easy one, and you wouldn't have any real trouble with getting this. Providing you do it. The reason I'm giving you so much talk on this, is it keeps getting lost.

You finally say, „You knucklehead, what the hell’s happened around here?“

Because the truth is that the pc actually wants to be Clear, would do anything to get Clear. That these objections are so much of a lie and are so aberrated and the pc knows they are aberrated that you very often ignore them. By tacit and common consent. So this is one of the things you must do in listing. Let's find out - if we're having a hard time finding a goal and certainly if we're having a hard time listing - find out what are the consequences of "our clearing you" or "my clearing you." What are the consequences of it?

Maybe you were the goal finder, see? „Did I miss? Could it be? Know that thing rocket read. Tiger drilled for hours and prepchecked and so on. It read and produced pain at that time.“

See, the goal - finding auditor actually was just finding something. But the listing auditor is clearing somebody. See, he couldn't do it if he didn't (find) the goal, and the goal is the important part of it. But the clearing will not take place unless the listing is done, don't you see?

Right then you’d start to think, „Well, look-a-here, I-this guy’s doing something wrong!“ And you’d find out, yeah, he’s doing something wrong.

So the consequences of being Clear are very, very important to the listing auditor. You’ll see that a tremendous number of cases go right down sometimes to the last two days before all lines go free. And they just go to pieces, man! Oh! They're up all night, and they come in, there's circles under their eyes, that go clear down to their chin.

This is the way he was auditing the goal: „Now, who or what woulduh-would-uh-uh-uh-who or what would want to try cat-uh-no, that’s wrong. Uh-who-uh-huh-uh ... What cat-. No, that’s the wrong line. Who or what would try to catch catfish? Yes. What’s the answer?“ Or he reads the auditing question, „Who or what would want to catch catfish?“

"What's the matter?"

,And the pc says, „A fisherman.“

"Oh, well, heh - heh. Heh - heh heh - heh - heh - heh. Why don't we just knock all this off now?"

And the auditor says, „No, you had that, you had that a couple of lists back. You had that a couple of lists back. Can’t have that one, you have to think of another one. You have to think of another one. That’s no good.“

And if you've run very bad sessions you don't have the pc at all, you have a telegram from Edinburgh - they’re still heading north.

Or supposing it went like this: The pc says, „Well, a fisherman.“

It’ll just be some valence that's very, very reactive and the pc just going through a total dramatization on this silly valence. And its deintensify, and the pc will come back rather shamefacedly of themselves, and you start to list them again, the valence goes into full cry, and they try to dive out the window, see. This is the wildest thing you ever heard of.

„Well, why would a fisherman want to catch catfish? You sure that’s the right answer? Now, what’s the date of that?“

It is the entity fighting for survival, is what this is. And why does it fight for survival? Because it wants anything? No, it's not even sentient. It is a reflective area which mirrors a lifetime in which the pc fought for survival as that thing. So therefore, a restimulation of it restimulates a fight for survival. That's the wildest thing you ever had anything to do with, is battling around with some stupid entity this way.

„The date of what?“

The pc: just as mild as milk and everything is fine on Monday. And on Tuesday: "Nyah - lyah - yah - wrah - rah - rah - rah ... !"

„Well, the date of that.“

You say, "What's gone wrong?" Well, you can take the explosion out of it by pulling the missed withholds and getting the pc in - session, and that sort of thing. And you can also realize that once you've cleared the consequences of clearing, sometime down along the line of listing you may have to clear it again. Got that?

Or the pc says, „I’m sorry, I’ve lost the auditing question.“

It isn't an aetion which you only undertake once. You may have to undertake it two, three times. Remember, as you list this person you're shifting this person into different parts of the bank. And you finally get this person into the part of the bank named "Space Opera - doll - body bin number 8647."

„Well, you must have a missed withhold then.“ And the first thing you know it’s all over on the left-hand column. You got it?

Now, at that particular section of the bank, life was tough. Life was hard. One was either the galactic police or one was this pirate commander or one was the rebel or one was the tough spaceman's crew or one was ... And everybody was practically unkillable, except that the weapons were very painful, and life is hard.

Now, if you weren’t the goal finder and you weren’t sure it was the right goal to begin with, ah-ha! You’re going to invalidate your fellow auditor and you’re going to say somebody found a lousy goal. And you could just beat your brains out now because you try to do a Dynamic Assessment when it’s already been done. And you can’t find any dynamic and you can’t find any item and you can’t find nothing. You make yourself a lot of work and then you decide to prepcheck the goal. And accidentally the auditing gets prepchecked and all of a sudden the goal has pain on it again. Do you see that?

And you - this pcs been going along just fine. And you run into this where survival is spelled with a capital "S," you see, and all of a sudden the pc's: "No! No! They don't know! They don't know about being Clear!"

It isn’t opposition that makes the sensation then. It’s the suppression of the opposition and the suppressiveness of the opposition that causes the Sensation. See? Therefore, listing becomes very important.

They made a mistake. They think they better go back to Australia or something. Anyway. And there it is! You're confronted suddenly with this, and you don't usually go back and try to reason it out or say why. You'd think maybe you'd go back and - but you might out of curiosity and interest look at the last items the pc listed. Here's another little rule in listing or in finding goals, or in listing goals: The pc tends to dramatize the last goal or item put down.

Now, there are various tests for whether a goal is the right goal or the wrong goal. And with Tiger Drill these days and expert auditing and getting the goal to fire at the beginning of every session you’re not going to get this type of submergence. That was another step taken. There’s very little chance of a wrong goal being run. Very little chance of it. Because in the first place a goal when found ought to be checked by another auditor. I don’t care who found it, including me; it ought to always be checked.

Pc comes in in the morning and says, "Oh, my God. I just all night long lay there smelling fish." Look on their list. The last item they wrote in the session the day before was "fishmonger." "A disgusted fishmonger" is what they put, see. All night long, fish! That's odd, but the last item - it isn't the next item up that they haven't told you yet, it's the last item down. They'll tend to dramatize the last goal.

You always look it over, because in the first place, it might be one of these in-and-out affairs. You may not be aware of the fact that some goals have been tiger drilled, Big Tiger, for twelve hours and then faded. But they weren’t rocket reading and they didn’t look like a goal. They were very out most of the time, but they still produce sensation, they still produce pain on the pc for that period of time.

I´ll tell - give you an instance of that. I told Reg this one time. And he - somebody who had just been put to listing goals as a therapeutic measure which of course is quite therapeutic - this person, in listing goals, had been listing them away, and all of a sudden "Yow - yow - yow - yow - yow!" and was on the phone and was terrified and everything else, and Reg remembered this little rule.

Some mornings you get up and you just should have stayed in bed, you see? You chose that goal to go into. The pc feels wonderful. So what! You didn’t find the goal, you see? That’s how long they’ll hang on sometimes. But remember, those goals aren’t rocket reading worth a nickel.

So, he made her write a few more goals. Got the last goal - sure enough, she was dramatizing the last goal she had written down, see. She hadn't actually stopped writing goals, because it was that goal, it just was the last goal on the list. So then she started dramatizing that goal. I don’t know what the goal was, maybe it was "to be terrified." But you can count on that.

A real goal goes in and out and it rocket reads and doesn’t read and it ticks and it ticks sporadically, and then it won’t read at all, and then it gives you three beautiful rocket reads, and then the pc says, „Well, I’m in, that’s it!“ And having asserted this, of course, you get three ticks.

And it's very funny. You’ll go along on a day's auditing, you take a break - take a break sometime - and the person has written down "a sad Chinaman." And during the break, you look at the pc - it's quite wonderful.

Or he says, „I-I just ... Well, I-I guess I’d better not have to put my attention on this anymore. They’ve just found it in and if I just kind of withdraw over here and not pay any attention to the auditor, it’ll stay in.“ Pcs do the darnedest things. And then you get-after these three nice, beautiful rocket reads-you get three complete no-read-at-all. All kinds of wild things occur on goals, but that is not necessarily the subject of this.

You - the mechanisms of the mind are gorgeous indeed. You say, "Well, all right. The fellow regurgitated it. He's already got rid of it. That is the reason why, it is now out there," so on. Well, that must not be the ease. In other words, he doesn't get rid of it all the way. Apparently items nudge, and goals nudge, the last one out, see.

Let’s say the goal has been tested, the goal has been checked out and there you have the goal. Now you’ve turned it over to somebody who lists or you’re listing it yourself Now, at the beginning of every session, which is done in Model Session, you want that goal tiger drilled until it fires.

You get some weird theories on this. It doesn't matter whether you have a theory on it or not. The fact is, you got to get items listed. And when they're listed down, why, they're down. And very ordinarily the ones higher on the scale are out. But the one you just put down isn't. And sometimes in a listing session, your pc will be looking at you suddenly, beadily, meanly. You say must have a missed withhold, and so forth. Don't be a knucklehead and bust up the whole session.

Now, how fire is a fire?

Actually, the less you do in a listing session, except list, why, the better off you are. Because that's auditing. So the less you do, why, the better off you're going to be. And the less trouble you're going to get into. And the reason the pc was sitting there, looking - well, why don’t you look at the list which was right in front of you? You just got through looking down and you've written down "an angry mind reader." And there he is, the angry mind reader, see. Quite amazing.

Well, you’ll find a goal which has been listed halfway out has about a half a rocket read left on it. And then they start going sporadic on their reads. They start going prior and latent and they start doing other queer things. They do all kinds of oddball things.

Pcs apparently - not always, but sometimes - peel these things off by put - ting them on their own body first. I don't know, it's like you deal cards backwards, you know. Instead of - you know, you pull them on to the deck, see, not throw them off of the deck before you throw them out, see. It's like taking dealt cards that are scattered all over the place in the pc's bank, and then they put it on themselves, and then they throw the valence over their shoulder or something.

These, by the way, can usually be straightened out. You can usually resurrect a goal no matter how long it is-if you want to spend that much time on it-to make it absolutely read, a perfect instant read, every time. Now, how long it’ll stay that way-the pc coughs and it doesn’t read like that now, do you see? So you want that thing to fire every time.

Well, in actual fact, they don't do anything with the valence. The valence is evaporating because the alter - ising thing is the basic purpose. See, valences and units and items don't go anyplace. They vanish. They don't go back on the track, or out into space, or clutter up anything. They just vanish, because they are built of alter - is of the pc's basic purpose. You understand? You don't have to worry about them.

Now, you see, that’s a good provision. Because if it’s the wrong goal and is made to fire every time, and if you prohibit listing unless the goal fires - you got that rule, see? Goal no fire; no list. See? Why, the worst that’s going to happen to a pc is he’s going to get three or four or five listing sessions and there’ll be no goal. And nobody can make it read and nobody can do anything to it and nobody can resurrect it and-Big Tiger and everything else - nothing can pull it back to life again. There’s no pain on it. There’s no sensation on it. There’s just nothing. It’s gone. You see what would happen even if you had a wrong goal? See, that’s a wonderful safety factor there, no matter how good you are as an auditor or how good the fellow who’s doing the listing or the goals finding and so forth, you can always miss, see? So that’s a good safeguard to have in there.

Now, the signs of a wrong goal or bad listing is (1) the TA is mostly at 4.5 or 5. 0 - it never comes down; (2) pc is ARC breaky; (3) pc is looking bad - there's your "firefly factor"; (4) no pain. Doesn't matter how much sen is present, as long as there's also pain, you understand, but no pain - man, there's something wrong, see; (5) all sen - which of course contains no painbut all sen, nothing but sen, nothing but sensation. The pc has been weeping for the last four sessions. Now that's sensation, man.

Completely aside from this, listing is not effective unless the goal is firing. You won’t get listing done unless you get the goal firing. That’s why old listing took so long. Did you know it took upwards to two hundred hours? Did you know it took that long? And that was done without getting the goal to fire. It was done on too few lines. And it was done this way and it was done that way. It still produced some Clears.

I had a pc tell me just a moment ago that no sensation was coming off, and I know the pc was crying in session today. See, pcs are not reliable judges of this. The auditors have to ask. You understand? You have to ask. You have to check up on this. Don't just sit there forever. Just ask once in a while if the pc's got any pain or if the pc is dizzy or if the pc feels any emotion. Think of that once in a while when you're listing. But of course, keep it to a minimum, don't chatter on it, because it's just for your data.

These characters are always very, very happy now to get sixteen or twenty-four lines at least. They say, „Well, that’s funny, I mean, you know I kept rolley-coastering. I’d get up in the morning, I’d put myself on an E-Meter and I’d read 2.75; then after I’d had a cup of coffee I’d read 3.l; then by noon it would be settled down with a total free needle; by five o’clock in the afternoon it’d be reading 2.5.“ It worries them.

'Is everything going all right?"

Well, why are they worried? Why do they put themselves on E-Meters and do other odd things like this?

Pc hurts. "Fine."

They got pieces of GPM still kicking them, see? Their needle was free in the session, then a couple of days later a piece of the GPM from the same channel keyed in on them. Do you get what happened to them?

"That's dandy."

When that’s all listed clear on enough lines, that doesn’t happen. You see, you got a high degree of stability. And if the goal is made to fire at the beginning of every session-just at the beginning, right after the beginning rudiments-that goal was made to fire, and made to fire so that you say, „To catch catfish-pang!-To catch catfish-pang!-To catch catfish-pang! That’s fine. Let’s get on.“

Now, if it's all sen, this is really going wrong. Now, this is something that you should start worrying about. All sen - now this is wrong. There's something real wrong here. Now, you're getting suppressions and you're getting all kinds of things, and it might even go back to a wrong goal, you see. But suppress, protest, the pcs auditing under protest, pc is ARC broke, pc is suppressing the lines, pc - usually, the commonest cause of a pc going all sensation is not wrong goal. The commonest cause of it is the pc doesn't understand the listing lines. Pc no dig.

How much of a rocket read must that have?

You say, "Who or what would want to catch catfish?" and the pc doesn't understand it. You see, because you the auditor understand the line is no test at all of whether the pc understands the line.

Boy, I pity you, I pity you-the questions that are going to be asked you and you and you by people doing listing on the subject of how fire is a fire? Because as the goal begins to pass away and the force and power of it deteriorates, you’re going to get decided differences in what a fire looks like and what is a fire. Eventually the goal is going „Tsk, tsk, tsk.“ And eventually the goal is going „Tsk.“ You’re going to have more people coming to you saying, „Gaaaaaaa!“

Now, number 6 is bank beefing up. Now, that's a colloquialism. But I don't know anything - to express it better. If you said, "The bank is becoming more solid and is pressurizing the pc, and this or that and the other thing; and sensation is tremendously and oppressively present, and there appears to be more bank in the morning than there was in the afternoon previous; and there's more and more bank, and there are ridges of the bank are getting rather solid," and so forth - this is what comes under the heading of "bank beefing up." See, in other words, it's just there's something being fed to this bank. It's getting solider. And it can become as solid as a board. And if you let a pc go that far, you’ll half - kill him, see. It can really be gruesome.

Of course you look for the other signs: Pc still getting pain on listing, lines are going fine, pc’s looking good, everything’s going along like a hot shell. And there we are. Say, „Go on, go on, list, list, list.“

Now, (7) what you can expect after that is the pc is sick and nauseated.

„Yeah, I know, but I can’t get it to fire.“

Bank will beef up - that's not too bad - bank beefs up some more. It's getting kind of solid. It's got solid fringes on it. The pc feels like he's in some kind of an invisible iron suit or something weird is occurring here. In other words, the engrams and things are getting heavier and more solid. And he can’t see them, he can feel them worse, and that sort of thing. This kind of thing happening is the result of wrong goal or bad listing. That's mostly seen when you're listing a wrong goal. It can become awful gruesome on a wrong goal. But it can also proceed from bad listing.

„Well, get the pc to fire instead. Go on, get a listing.“

Pc's becoming sick and nauseated, that's pretty much wrong goal. It's seldom that listing drives them that far. But a wrong goal can drive them that far. They can start losing their cookies, man. Their weight going up, pc nauseated and dizzy and room going around and mest going out of plumb. You know, a room has eight points at the baseboard and ceiling, you see, and those will sometimes go completely askew. You know, eight points no longer make a box. They make a twisted space. The room looks like that to them. You get the idea? Well, motion goes haywire on these people. Bzzzzzz! Bum show. Rough, rough on them.

This is what-this is what you face. This is my subtle revenge on this matter for all of the questions you’ve asked me.

That's a wrong goal overlisted. And you should've been able to detect it before it got to there.

All right. Now, a listing session is a wrong session, you’re going to get certain manifestations occurring in that session which are very easily distinguishable, and so forth. But the subject of what I’m telling you right now is, is smooth auditing. (Take that up in the second lecture, see, the exact lineups.) But the trouble that you’re going to have, is-been because of the various preventions. Really not with wrong goals. The trouble you’re going to have is with lousy listing, see. Because that’s unspectacular.

Now, how do you patch up a ease that's gone wrong? How do you patch them up? Well, you check over and get rid of all earlier found goals than the goal the pc is listing, or all other goals than the pc was listing that were found at any time and were said to be the pc's goal. You understand? We’ll take all excess goals whether they were before the goal or after the goal that is being listed. See, all excess goals on the pc.

Listing is quite exciting. You find lots of items. And all of a sudden you find an item and, „Oh, woof, what’s that? Wow, whoa. Wow!“ the pc says.

Sometimes, several goals have been found on a pc, and then they find one of the earlier goals is it, and then everybody neglects to do anything about the last three goals found that were listed maybe. Well, clean them up. Clean up those goals. Pc says they’ve been cleaned up already or it appears in an auditing report, check them for a cleanup. Just a rapid Tiger Drill on them. After all, it's only four or five goals, see. There's three minutes worth of work, see. But check it up. These goals charged up in some way or another. Something going on here.

You say, „What’s-what happened?“

All right. Get rid of them, in other words, and you’ll find out sometimes that they have oppressed the right goal. So that as the items were listed, or something, the session's becoming restimulative, ARC breaks and that sort of thing have tended to throw one of these other goals into action. And it's oppressing the right goal. And the pc is beginning to wonder if the other one wasn't his goal. You got the idea? So you get all kinds of oddball things going on. So just make sure that goals the pc has supposed - been led to suppose in processing were his goal, that those goals are out and flat.

„Who-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho, what happened? Whew. It’s a planet I swallowed. Damn fool stunt. Thetans sure are stupid. Swallow a planet. There it went! Stuck to another planet. Yeah. Wonder what the other planet ... Ulp!“

It isn't that they'll charge up again and come back in, but just make sure that it is done. Of course, if they aren't, what you do is give them a Big Tiger Drill and get rid of them. You see, a Big Tiger Drill that you were watching last night on TV demonstration is not Prepchecking. It just adds more buttons and plus - and - minus buttons, and plays it out to get off the maximal amount of sensation and somatic in the minimal amount of time.

In other words, there’s a lot of excitement to be had in listing. And there’s the other thing that you want to train people to do about listing: Is the randomity produced by the pc is usual, ordinary, standard; the convulsions, the foam at the mouth, these things are not anything to worry the seasoned auditor. What he is supposed to do is ask the next listing line. That is what he is supposed to do. And when people come running to you and their face looks so white that a paper company would pay a fortune-they’d-that is-they-he says, „Huh-heh-huh-a-heh...“ Pc ...

Then you prepcheck the goal. And the way to prepcheck a goal - this might be news to you - is give it a time duration and name the goal.

You go back and you find out what’s happened. Nothing. The pc just got off items one and two. They were counter-opposed, they both stuck together, and all of a sudden the whole back of his head blew off and his body coordination went kind of baaaah for a minute, and he’s sitting in the chair going like this, getting over the shock. Now without an auditor. What you’re supposed to do is ask him the next auditing command.

Now, "On auditing - or in auditing on the goal to catch catfish . . . " See. Ah well, this is all right. "In auditing, on the goal to catch catfish . . . " that's pretty good for patch - up. That's good! You can get old goals firing, you can do all kinds of things with it.

And if you can train a listing auditor to be able to confront pcs and ask for the next auditing command, and write it down and not fumble paper and drop the sheets all over the floor, and a few things like that, your listing sessions will go off like a bomb, the goal stays in, the pain all stays on, you don’t-you need a minimum number of Prepchecks and the guy goes Clear - swish. That’s very much to everyone’s interests. It’s a minimal number of auditing hours.

But if you're going to prepcheck, and you're going to sit back there with a repetitive question and do a full - blown Prepcheck on this goal, then you'd better use time duration. Remember in your releases on Prepchecking the importance of time span. Don't worry about listing, don't worry about this, don't worry about that. Let's use a time span.

Now, the worse a listing sessions are, the longer it takes to list a goal to free needle. And the monitoring thing is not the state of the pc’s bank but the smoothness of the auditing of the listing auditor. That is almost the total determination factor on how long it takes a pc to go Clear after the goal is found. One pc doesn’t have more items than another pc. That is almost neglectable. You don’t have to do anything about that. They all come out about even.

So you get an auditing command something like, "On the goal, to catch catfish " - and this is one month before the goal was found, as far as you can figure it was ". . . since January 1961 has anything been suppressed?" "On the goal, to catch catfish, since January 1961, has anything not been suppressed?" Alternate question, back and forth, and you will work yourself out quite a deal.

But one pc’s list will get longer and longer and longer and longer and lo-. What’s he doing? Well, he’s actually not blowing anything, so he keeps putting the same items back on the list, hoping they will blow, you see. He isn’t in-session. The rudiments are out. Other things are wrong. So therefore, it appears that he has a much longer list.

Now, that seems to be a rather large mouthful. But you would be surprised how many self - audits you catch. The interest of a goal is such that it leads people to self - audit far beyond any processing ever did. They speculate, they do it, they figure, they think. After all, you're monkeying with their basic purpose, so of course it goes into a high degree of restim. And they wonder about it and they occlude it and they try to prepcheck themselves, all kinds of weird things. I wonder if I’ve suppressed my goal?" Well, why don't they ask themselves the auditing question and they're off to the races.

The length of time it takes to go Clear is determined by the skill, quietness and ability of the auditor doing the listing.

Now, it happens to be impossible - impossible, I repeat - it happens to be impossible to self - audit a goal. Now, you can list the lines on a goal, if somebody makes them up for you and says he’ll beat your head in if you don't write the answers down. As long as the thing is tiger drilled in, the person's still got an auditor, don't you see? It's an extended session. But - now watch this - you've got the Opposition terminals, which are mostly sen, and you've got the terminals of the goal. And those sit in the bank, to a large degree, opposite each other. Got this? See, they're opposite each other.

And by and large, so far I’ve found that the goals found at Saint Hill, that those goals which were found to have been-gone out, apparently, or weren’t the goal-that was of last year, you see-goals were found and run on other Routine 3s. They were the goal, but they’d just been very badly listed. And the pc was total sen and hadn’t gotten any better and everything ...

We’ll say, blob one faces blob two. Well, blob one is some kind of a mishmash of own terminals that also had the goal. And blob two are Opposition terminals that never had the goal but always opposed it. You got that? All right. The fellow's going to prepcheck his own goal. Ha - ha! Now, he's sitting there in blob one, see, very happily. So he says, "I think IM prepcheck this goal.

A person takes his life in his hands leaving here without his goal listed, let me tell you that. I’ll just put that across the pan. You think you save time by going home. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Not so.

See, On the goal, to catch catfish, let's see, has anything been suppressed?" And he of course is instantly into blob two, facing blob one. And blob two has sensation on it. And it's a mess of sensation. And he can't feel any pain. And one of the first things that alarms him is the fact that he's dizzy and doesn't hurt. So he says, "It can't be my goal. It can't be my goal, because there's no pain on it. There's only sensation. And I remember Ron saying this."

So anyway-just holding that horrible thought up to you-it’s the quality of the listing auditor. So my point of this lecture is simply this: is listing may not be spectacular’ You might say anybody can do listing. But just remember this: Anybody who can do listing must also be a very excellent auditor. He’s got to be smooth. He doesn’t have to be clever, he doesn’t have to be spectacular, but he’s got to be smooth, he’s got to be able to keep the pc in-session and he’s got to be able to do his job without chopping the pc up. In other words, he’s got to be pretty good.

Well, he goes down the street a few minutes afterwards, and he slips accidentally into blob one, see, that has the goal "to track" and the pain on it. And he says, "Ouch!" And tends to avoid, now, blob one. He says, "Well, that doesn't feel too comfortable," and he kind of tends to back out of blob one, and there's no place to go but blob two. So he (backs) into blob two, and he's had it.

What you try to keep from happening in a listing session is randomity, questioning, Q and A, auditor taking up items, all of this nonsense. The best listing session is an almost totally muzzled session. No comments, no two-way comm, nothing. That’s the best listing session. It’s just a bare-bones session.

Do you see, that self - auditing on the goal leads to these very interesting things. Now, self - listing: it'd be very unlikely that if somebody found your goal and didn’t make up your lines, and didn't do this for you and didn't do that for you, and didn't tiger drill the goal, every time, that you would ever be able to list it by yourself. But given those requirements, you probably, possibly, could sit down and list the goal at somebody else's behest - see, with the auditing commands at the top of the sheets in somebody else's handwriting. You see that? Possibility of doing that.

Okay?

As a matter of fact, if you were very powerful and pervasive as far as somebody else was concerned, you could actually tell them to go ahead and list the goal by themselves after you'd prepared all the sheets. And then you tiger drilled them regularly to throw them back into the right valences and lines. But even that throws them into the wrong lines, see, for the wrong questions, unless that's been very thoroughly impressed on them.

Thank you.

But you see there is some possibility of self - listing. But there's no possibility of self-tiger drilling, or self - prepchecking. Won't work. I make my point? You go flippity - flop.

I'm sure in this room there's hardly a person who hasn't, to some slight degree, wondered if his goal has been suppressed, and thought it over, just suppressively: "I wonder if he's invalidated something today?" I don't know if you've all been alarmed at this. But every once in a while you wonder if anything has been invalidated today, and you get sensation, you see. If you're very educated as an auditor, and if you didn’t know these other points Im giving you right now, you could become quite worried.

Of course you say, "Has anything been invalidated, on the goal to catch catfish? " and instantly the goal items which you're in are over there, and you're in the items with sen. In other words, you get the pain and sen on wrong lines, and everything goes to hell in a balloon, see, when you start doing this. You follow this activity?

Now, when you tiger drill the goal every session, that's an insurance against the - a wrong goal. See, that's good insurance. So it actually leaves as the main problem, bad listing.

You have to watch and be very alert, on listing sessions. And the things you're alert for are: high TA - 4.5, 5.0; pc ARC breaky; pc looking bad; no pain, all sen; bank beefing up; pc sick and nauseated. These are all bum things. And when you see those things, you start worrying.

And the answers to them is check over those earlier found goals, let's find out if anything happened there. Let's prepcheck the goal with the date line. Let's tiger drill the goal into good firing condition, and so forth. If we can't get it that way, then just prepcheck harder, and you’ll either get the goal back or it was the wrong goal.

There's not any trick to listing. You don't have to be terribly clever. You don't have to be clever at all to list. You've got to be very workmanlike, very thorough and very competent. This is what it takes to run a good listing session. There's no clearing without listing. So don't relegate it as an unimportant activity and just toss it off and say that is that. Listing is good, and it's as brief as the auditor is good.

Now, I haven't talked to you anything about listing lines or what happens on lines, how you put lines together, because let me assure you, that is another story. But the actual conduct of a listing session should be very steady, very press - on, lot of confidence on the part of the pc in his auditor, no slips, no goofs. Regular, nice, smooth, keep the pc in - session, get the middle rudiments in only when the pc looks like they're completely gone on something. And just carry on and do a good, sound, competent session. And he’ll go Clear as fast as he has confidence in you as a listing auditor.

And it's very tough on a pc to change auditors in the middle of listing.

Can be done, but only if the second auditor is as good as the first one was. A good listing auditor is a good thing. He - they're not always to be found. Because auditors will obsessively get in there, talk too much, try to do too much, alter - is too much, interrupt the pc, try to stop the pc from talking, Q - and - A on the things, question the items, write too slowly, improperly pronounce and call the auditing commands - all of these things lead to bad listing. So that what you want is smooth, steady, straightforward, predictable competence. You got that, man, your pc will go Clear and you’ll see free needle on all those lines.

In absence of that you’ll have a pc that’ll look like he has a wrong goal.

It’ll just be all sen, all ARC break, all upset, and blah! You don’t want that, you want Clears. So listing to that degree is extremely important.

Thank you very much.