This is the third consecutive evening lecture, January the twelfth. This succeeds the Philadelphia lecture of December the ninth. These three lectures tonight succeed that lecture.

This is January — this is January the twelfth, 1953. The talk I am giving here is consecutive to the Philadelphia tape — second hour, afternoon, December the ninth — following the material on agree, disagree, have, not-have, and so on. On those tapes you will learn far more about this material of the reverse vector of the physical universe.

All right. Now we've talked about driving in anchor points and pulling them out again and driving them in again and pulling them out and driving them in, and if you want to find the most aberrative person in your preclear's current life track, all you've got to do is find who gave him the worst news oftenest.

Physical universe is in reverse. It is gruesomely in reverse. You look at this series of charts on the December 9 lecture, you will find that an agreement is an inflow and a disagreement is an outflow. A not-have is an outflow and a have is an inflow. You agree with something, you have it. If you disagree with something, you don't have it. That's elementary, isn't it?

That's all. And on that person you will have a complete occlusion. How do you solve that occlusion? Very simple. You just get your preclear to sit there and be as occluded as he wants to be, and imagine this person out in front of him someplace, not seeing him, but just getting the concept the person's out there someplace with a cricket bat knocking in anchor points.

So we get a condition whereby if you — here you are [LRH drawing] and that is agree, and this is I again, and this is have. Far as you're concerned, all you got to do is agree with something and you'll have it, won't you? Isn't that cute? Because let's took at what the other party is doing at the same time.

Don't bother with concepts or ideas, just have anchor points being knocked in. Just get the idea that somebody out there is bonging in a flock of bright balls or something of the sort.

There's the outflow for the other party, and he disagrees to make you agree. And so what you agree with, he's disagreeing with.

Bang, bang, bang. And have him get the idea these balls are arriving in the vicinity of his own face and his own head. Just keep this up, keep this up, have the person going 360 degrees in a sphere around him knocking in these bright points. And just have this person walk around him and walk around him and do this and do this and do this and what do you know, this person will show up.

This is the MEST universe in terms of the use of flows. And this will tell you why you can't use flows in the MEST universe, and that the faster you can get out of using flows in processing, the happier you are and the better off you will be. And this is why agreement with the MEST universe is the most deadly trap that ever got rigged.

Interesting, isn't it? Person will all of a sudden show up and then you can build that person as a mock-up, you can build their shoes and build the whole body, or you can just keep up this other system.

Because if he has not [LRH drawing], that's an outflow, isn't it, from him? See, here he is over here; here you are. So he has not if you have. You have, he has not. You get the idea? Well, isn't that wonderful? It means that if you have, however, it's going to disagree with you. And it means that if you agree, you'll get what he doesn't want. Now this goes to a far lengthier matter in this — these earlier afternoon tapes. But just take a look at that.

Now you can also have this person leading out anchor points. Get the idea of this person leading out anchor points and driving them in and leading them out, and then when they're out, changing them on to something or other, and you get some very interesting material. There's a more interesting way to go about this which is what I'm going to cover in this hour.

Now, we'll find out that I over here disagrees [LRH drawing], will get you agreeing. So we don't ever get a situation in which two people can agree in terms of flows. But we get them agreeing in terms of postulates. When we think of, then, life itself being a unit body or being high on the tone scale, being itself, wefind out that it's possible for an overall life to be compatible within itself, so long as its individuality is its own individuality; not when it is identified as other different individuals.

Now as a technique — and you want to know why Papa's death got occluded, why this happened and why that happened and why something else happened, and why your preclear can't do this and why he can't do that. Well, that's why, that's all. Driven-in anchor points and let-out anchor points, and driven-in anchor points and let-out anchor points.By the way, you'll get some of the fanciest somatics if you ever run one of these things; you'll get some real beauties — gorgeous somatics come off of it. He gets sick at his stomach, and he gets all upset in every way you can think of. But there is occlusion.

The way you would break apart a group is to make identities out of them — identities all of the same body. Now we'll get into that a little more thoroughly here. We'll see that above 40 on the tone scale, all that happens is postulates. This follows this way. You want to know what's wrong with your preclear? Nobody obeys his orders, that's what's wrong with your preclear. I mean, I'm sorry to have to sum it up that fast, because you won't assimilate it that fast.

Now the wide-open case is evidently one which just has a nastier method of keeping his anchor points from being driven in. It's not very workable, because those cases nearly wind up — always wind up sooner or later as being very occluded, but they just have an ornerier method of combating this anchor point drive-in mechanism. So your wide-open case normally has this lifetime in pretty good shape in terms of facsimiles. He's just too mean. Not saner, or anything of the sort, just this person has had less anchor point drive-in, that's all.

He started using flows. And when he started using flows and using space and anchor points and things like this, people stopped obeying his orders. Why did they stop obeying his orders? Because he had to disagree in order to get anybody to agree. And of course, if they agreed, why, they got what he disagreed with; and if he agreed, he got what disagreed with him; and flows are all backwards and upset. But up above 40.0 on the tone scale, he merely said, "It will be." He said something like "Let there be light," and there was light. He didn't have to then write a propaganda leaflet to hit the London County Council so as to provide further electricity in case a couple of politicians could get together and get enough graft out of it. You get the idea?

Now, everything we've said about cycles, we go down to help, you know, propitiation and that sort of thing, and so on? Well, that's just on this level; a person gets to the idea finally where he can't monitor his own anchor points so he's got to help and so forth. The whole bottom of the scale is a mockery of the top of the scale. Any big brawny thetan would help. You see? So DEI goes down scale, all these various things go down scale, and we get to the bottom of the scale, we find this big mockery.

That's a long way from "Let there be light."

Actually when you get a person like this doing any help, run a mile, because they're not going to help you very much. Person who is very low tone scale, when they say, "We're going to help you out," it's synonymous with "We're going to slit your throat, fellow," because they're running on reverse vectors.

If he wanted a ditch someplace or other, in terms of postulates, he said, "Let there be a place to be a ditch, and now let there be a ditch in it." A little — start using flows, and he gets down along the level of the MEST universe, and he says, "Hey, you. Dig a ditch here."

So, what do we get, then, as we examine this whole problem? We get this DEI cycle of anchor points and that is space. And the handling of anchor points eventually gets into energy. And you want to know why some preclears can't put out energy. Actually if they put out energy you'd find it kind of thick. It would be very thick to them, it wouldn't be filmy. The reason it's very thick is their anchor points have been driven in so hard that the energy points — actually, energy you see is merely composed of flocks of small particles — have been driven close together, and the beam is unwieldy.

"Why should I dig a ditch here?" "Well, I said dig a ditch."

You see, any thetan can develop points of any kind he wants to. And very often your preclear's been driven into a state where he can no longer produce energy. And being unable to produce energy, you see, he tries to go back up to the top of the scale again and he doesn't much succeed. Your thetan is probably monitoring, just in terms of neurons only, ten to the twenty-first binary digits of thetans.

"Well, I don't care. We belong to a union."

What's the reactive mind? What's an entity? Why are entities stuck on the time track? All this sort of thing. You'll find the same story out of the bank, you'll find somebody — the big trick of anybody monitoring this universe, and so forth, is to lead out the anchor points — great big, all what they're going to have — and then drive them in real tight, right quick.

Kind of rough. In other words, his ability to make postulates goes to pieces the second he starts down into flows and force. And the best there is of him, and really all there is of him, is that portion above 40 which can make and make stick an instantaneous postulate. That's why Creative Processing works so wonderfully. It's rehabilitating the best there is of the preclear. His ability to think is not his ability to reason. His ability to be is his ability to create by postulate alone.

Now let's look at this from the standpoint of vacuums. Once upon a time they said nature abhorred a vacuum. That's a good enough definition for you, we don't care. After all it's only pressures.

All right, the MEST universe starts agreeing and disagreeing and playing this game with him and the next thing you know those things he agrees with he doesn't get, and those things he disagrees with he does get, and if he wants a car terribly badly he's got to have a rollycoaster, and if he wants a rollycoaster very badly he's got to have an airplane, and if he gets the airplane or the rollycoaster they're going to disagree with him.

Actually a vacuum is caused by inequalities of pressure.

And he's in a complete scramble and a confusion. Do you know what the end of that line is? The end of that line is being MEST itself — way down at the bottom of the tone scale. That's the theta trap.

Let's take a gas. You can have a vacuum in the middle of a gas, simply by having gas all around at a pressure and then no gas — fixed up so no gas can fill up the point where there is no gas.

So what do you rehabilitate? You want to look down along the line, you will find that your preclear started getting into trouble when he got connected with people who flagrantly didn't obey orders. That's a very low-level thing.

And you get a pressure in toward the point where there is no gas. You get the idea?

He was a member of the armed services; he was a sergeant. And he had a private by the name of Doakstein or Goldski or something, and this private was a notorious goldbrick. And this private had a wonderful facility of saying yes and then doing no, and being very reverse about this whole deal. Saying yes, doing no, begging off, arguing. "Who said that was the order? Did the captain say so? No, I don't think the captain said so. Well, yes, if the captain didn't say so, then the major must have said so. Oh, you don't have a written order about it, then how do I know? And where's my pass, besides?" and so forth.

Suppose — you got fifteen pounds per square inch on you at this moment. How would you become a vacuum? Just have no pounds per square inch inside of you and have fifteen pounds per square inch outside of you and, believe me, you'd squash awfully quick.

And finally after he's been a sergeant for a little while amongst Homo sapiens, he's done. They bury him, practically. On what level? He couldn't make a postulate stick. That's all. He goes out and he says, "Line up. All right. Right shoulder arms." And there's Goldski someplace else. And when Goldski comes out he does slope arms. And his buttons are untied, and his shoes are on his ears or something. And this is what happens.

Because, you see, the reason there isn't atmospheric vacuum inside of you is very simple. You just have as much inside as you have outside and it balances. And the reason why you don't have a vacuum in a milk bottle is because there's fifteen pounds per square inch inside the milk bottle and fifteen pounds per square inch outside the milk bottle.

If you think the sergeants go mad, think what must happen to generals. That's why they're all completely berserk.

But it's good enough — if you want to have a vacuum inside the milk bottle, you have fifteen pounds per square inch outside the milk bottle and you take all the air out of the milk bottle. Cap it. You'd have a vacuum then, you see? And that vacuum is simply a relative matter; it just means there's more pressure someplace else than there is where the vacuum is.

Now, this tells you something very pertinent. This tells you that you want to look down the track for the time this fellow got aberrated, you look down the track when he first realized he couldn't make what he said stick. In other words he couldn't make a postulate happen instantaneously. And one day there he was, sweet, innocent little child, playing around, and all of a sudden he said, innocently and stupidly — because he didn't have enough horsepower to make it stick — he said to this stone, "Get out of my way." And you know what it did? Kicked his right shin in! And he says, "What do you know! There's something else around here making postulates that are higher than my postulates." And that something else is called the MEST universe. He breaks affinity with the whole thing. He finds out that when he falls down, earth does not move aside. It expects him to.

Nature abhors a vacuum. You find out vacuums operating as these particles go by. Particle goes by, it creates a vacuum behind it and things try to fill in the vacuum. These dark particles then come across the area where there's a vacuum.

You can do the darnedest technique, by the way, by getting a mock-up (this is just a little two-bit technique of no importance, probably), and get a mock-up of stones drilling your preclear. Get a mockup of a stone and the mock-up of the preclear's body, you see? And have the stone saying, "To the rear, march. To the rear, march. To the rear, march. To the rear, march," you know? And have the fellow going like that and so on. He'll all of a sudden get terribly groggy. Why? Because the MEST universe has been ordering him around and invalidating his postulates left and right.

Now there's a thing called on the track, you might call it the birth of a thetan — one of his many births. And it was no — it's no more birth than anything, but probably birth latches up on top of it. You could say two thetans got together, and they push each other apart real hard. They push anchor points together, and they just shove out real far. And there's a bong! in the center of the resulting rectangle.

Is there a level in which a person merely says "Stone, move," and the stone moves? Yes, I'm afraid there is. But he's not there.

You see, here would be your thetan here on the graph, at point A and B, and here would be another thetan over here with coinciding anchor points. And if they — these two thetans were first close together and then they pushed apart and stretched out their anchor points, and if they did it fairly rapidly, you would get a very interesting condition resulting here in the center of that rectangle. And that resulting condition would be a vacuum.

And his soaring down the line from a state of sublimity and efficiency into the state of being Homo sapiens is the curve of disobedience on the part of the MEST universe. His postulates eventually become such a horrible thing as orders. His orders eventually become requests for cooperation. His requests for cooperation eventually become wondering why it didn't happen, then pleading with people, then asking for sympathy, and on out the bottom. And there's your curve of deterioriation and it's the deterioration of a postulate.

They would shove each other apart so hard that the particles would come in their direction, and it would leave no particles in the center. This would be a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum. I don't know who Nature is, by the way; I'm going to ask somebody to introduce me some night.

What is the tone scale of a postulate? It starts out as simply a postulate. It says, "Let there be light. Stones will now move." And that happens. And we go down the line and we find out that less and less these postulates act as postulates and they become more and more orders, and then from orders they become cooperation, and then they become reasoning with things in order to get something done. That's association; you've gotten down below the level of force action. There's using force in order to get a postulate done, and that's — oh, that's the end of the road.

Now where we have then a vacuum, energy has a terrific tendency to fill the vacuum. And when you've got a thetan who's supposed to be making postulates, who gets the idea that he is a vacuum, when he gets the idea that he obeys the laws of energy, then he tries to fill vacuums. Isn't this fascinating!

Fellow starts to use force, what's he get? Why is it he keeps beating this other guy, he keeps beating him and beating him and beating him, and the more he beats him, why, the more obedience he ought to get. Oh, yeah? Hmm! Doesn't work that way. You see, the more he disagrees with this other fellow, theoretically the more this other fellow will agree with him — up to the moment when he agrees that the other fellow is something or other and then the other fellow disagrees with him again. I mean, it'll flick back and forth.

So we've got a big pink cloud and we get a lightning bolt through it. When that lightning bolt hit, it made a compression wave out, and then the lightning bolt was gone and it left what in the middle of the cloud? It left a vacuum. Your thetan tries to fill that vacuum. Just because energy fills the vacuum, not because thetans want to fill vacuums. So as long as a thetan stays in close obedience to the laws of energy or agreement with the MEST universe (same thing), he'll try to fill vacuums.

The other fellow — see, he beats him until the other fellow obeys. And then the second the other fellow obeys, then he agrees that this obedience was a good thing. And the second he agrees the obedience was a good thing, the other fellow reverses vector and begins to disagree again. You wonder why you can't beat somebody into following orders. Well, it can't be done, that's all. So it's a nasty little puzzle; has to do with reverse vectors. The two earlier hours cover this very exhaustively.

Now there's something about sensation. Sensation gives one a terrific boost and all that sort of thing, evidently, and the exhilaration actually is the exhilaration of more space. This goes back on the track to obedience to these anchor points again. You get enough anchor points far enough out, swoosh! and you get a sensation of lots of space, which is just fine. Well, that's interesting, because sensation is your first level of desirable energy.

All right. Let's add to that this new material that that is the deterioration of a postulate. And the curve of a postulate as it deteriorates from above 40.0 down to 0.0 is the curve of deterioration of the preclear. Because what is valuable in the preclear? That which makes postulates. Postulate Processing, the highest echelon of processing: you want to rehabilitate that as fast as possible. If you want to rehabilitate that then you'd certainly better use material and mock-ups and so forth which rehabilitate his idea that he can make a postulate and make it stick, and this is best done by mock-ups, and so therefore he comes up tone scale on mock-ups with great rapidity and doesn't come up on terms of agreement with the MEST universe or in using flows or anything else. And he doesn't come up fast using flows in agreeing with the MEST universe for the good reason that the more you agree with the MEST universe the more it disagrees with you. See? Agree with the MEST universe — disagree, right away. All right? You should understand that in terms of postulates.

Now, there are other ways of getting sensation besides this but a thetan will get trapped into this. Why? He'll become actually insatiable in terms of energy. You'll have an awful lot of preclears around who will run engrams just because they sort of taste good. That's right, they're energy-happy.

Now, I'm going to give you another one that should be appended right straight into this, Many of these lectures have to do with anchor points and have to do with space. You're going to get a lot of material on that.

There are points on the track, there are points on the track where — you just mock this one up: Energy used to be presented to thetans to keep them in line with little red capsules. Get a red capsule right now and see what happens to it. Either you didn't get one or it moved in so quick you could hardly see it. Now the point is, the thetan used to get inside of balls of energy. Red capsules.

What's an anchor point? Well, how do you know you're there? The way you know you're there is you've got an anchor point up there in that corner of that room, up here, corner, up here; you look at those two anchor points, you're located with relationship to those two anchor points, so there you are.

Give and Take, which we will cover during these night lectures very thoroughly and which are covered in the Philadelphia tapes, very definitely is based on one thing: Thirst for energy, because all things are space and energy.

Now, you go outside someplace into a large space or something of the sort, and you put up a couple of anchor points out here. In other words they're just a couple of dots. You put a couple in back of you, you've got dimension.

Well, this first starts then with a thirst for space. And that is very interesting, because it tells you that on this subject of vacuums the thetan first begins to believe he's a vacuum. After that he goes around hunting for his identity. Wasn't that dopey!

What is space? Space is a viewpoint of dimension. Is it an actuality? No, it's not an actuality. It's just viewpoint of dimension. Therefore many things can exist concurrently with many other things in the same space. Why? Because the space isn't there. Does this call Korzybski a liar? Yes, it does, but he didn't know Scientology. He was a good guy.

I mean, here he is, a big cloudy beingness that hasn't — that's just happy as could be, and hasn't got any name, no, doesn't need anything — just happy, goes around enjoying life. All of a sudden somebody comes along and decides to make it get born, which is to say create a vacuum in the center; or a lightning bolt goes through it one way or the other and creates a vacuum in the center. And after that this fellow says, "There used to be something in the center," so he's tried to fill up the center.

You don't believe that lots of things can go into lots of spaces where lots of other things already are? Start crowding in mock- ups. When your preclear really gets good, he can put ten-ton trucks into match boxes like mad. He can not only put one in there, but he can put ten-ton trucks where the last ten-ton truck was, and have them both. And then drive them out in different directions from the same piece of space. And we're dealing now with the actual rather than the real. That differentiation is made in this series of lectures very closely: the difference between the actual and the real. We're dealing with the actual, we're not dealing with the real.

Well, his anxiety to fill up the center will eventually give him the idea that the center is himself. So he thinks he has to be in the middle of his bank. He has to be in the center of concentric energy circles. He has to be there. He can be driven out of the center. He goes into the center of a head. He gets energy-happy. But that is basically above energy. He's just obeying the laws of energy.

What's the real? The real is the MEST universe. What's the actual? That's you. You know you exist, and that's the knowingest know you know. So therefore that must therefore be the most actual thing there is. Simple logic, but it happens to work out.

When you get into this sort of thing, it's a study of vacuums. Fascinating, isn't it? Why is a fellow too fat? Why is a fellow too thin? What's a "give" case? What's a "take" case, and everything else? A study of vacuums. You want to study sex, I'm sorry to have to introduce this ugly subject, but it's a study of vacuums. It's trying to fill up a vacuum, that's all. That's all there is to it.

All right. What's a viewpoint of dimension, then? What's dimension? Well, you are the viewpoint, and from that viewpoint you envision space, and so you mark out the space and there you are, and that is space. And if a bunch of you started disagreeing with the fact the space of the MEST universe existed, it'd probably collapse. That's a fact. You just stop viewing it as viewpoint. This could happen very rapidly and very contagiously.

You want to know why guys breathe? Well, the cells which go to make up his lungs — very simple matter — they didn't get enough air once. Or they're so horrified of air that they keep shuddering back from air and so they keep breathing. They make up cells that have to do with air. Every cell is a — the center of it is a vacuum. It's trying to fill itself up. You get this study of interlocking vacuums and you've got one of the most interesting studies that anybody wanted to engage on, because down from this point you can figure out practically anything you want to figure out. Study of a vacuum.

You just disagree thoroughly on the existence of a certain piece of space and just from this nobody would go there anymore. If everybody was agreed it didn't exist, why, nobody'd just go there anymore. It would cease to exist as space. Just from that standpoint. And that's the mildest one. Now, we run that up to the reductio ad absurdum, yes, it would cease to exist.

You got a preclear, he's got bad teeth. He's trying to fill up a vacuum. Because why are those teeth in that condition? Well, the more solid a thing is, the more valuable it is. Look that over.

How do we know earth wasn't flat when everybody believed it was? They believed, you know, for ages and ages that earth was flat.

Diamonds, emeralds. The rarer it is has something to do with it, interest, other things; the amount of light it contains, space occupied. But that's — he can lay interest on anything. He can be interested in dog harnesses as well as he can be interested in diamonds.

Then a fellow came along and said it was round; after that it was round. I don't know, maybe it was the shape of a cat just before that. Who cares? is the main thing about this; it's completely unimportant. It's very important to an engineer who's trying to do something with this universe, but it's awfully unimportant to most people. They look out the horizon, and they can see the horizon goes out there and that's the horizon. That's that. You, by the way, run an agreement that the earth is flat, in some preclear, that is so solid that he never has seen the roundness of a globe or a curvature of earth; he wouldn't believe it if he did see them. And you'll find that, find him stuck on the track back there before Copernicus.

Teeth, they're hard, white. And, boy, if you don't think those are special entities all by themselves, just run the exercise of putting food in their vicinity. They die. They leave corpses behind. They do all sorts of things, you see?

So anyway, that's beside the point. Let's just get this idea; in the Philadelphia lectures we cover space, space, space, space, and we talk about space all over the place and Spacation and so forth, let's just add this point to it. It's quite important, because it doesn't exist in those lectures and it's very important to an auditor.

Guy has his teeth aching: The centers of those teeth are vacuums. And it can't get anything into the vacuum but it thinks it wants food. Actually it has a horror of food so therefore it must have food. Reverse flow, you see? To get something in a terrible desire level it must have a horror of what it's going to get when it gets down as small as a cell.

What is the progress of self-concept of size? What is the deterioration of size? What happens to a thetan in this universe in terms of space? How big is a thetan?

So just start stuffing the guy's mouth full of mock-up biscuits and mock-up chicken, and mockup honey and mock-up milk. And what do you find out? You'll find out the first crack out of the box if his teeth are hurting, he probably won't be able to put any milk in his mouth. You can get a glass of milk there, yeah, he can mock up this glass of milk, and then you say, "Now drink it." It won't come anywhere near his mouth.

Well, he's as big as he can put anchor points out there. And he is as little as he gets them driven in. What do you mean about driving in an anchor point? Well, you mean something very simple.

Well, you'll find out, by the way, that he will pour the milk down the sink. He will bust it up and cover the streets with it before he'll — he'll just waste it. Do anything with it before he'll finally drink it. You finally work him to the point of throwing away milk and giving away milk and getting more milk and testing the value of milk and finally having enough milk to give all the other people in the house, and finally you'll get him to take one drop of milk. (Pop!) Well, what happens when you finally finish this cycle? Heh-heh! Teeth stop aching. What do teeth get in them? They get holes!

Let's draw a picture of this thetan with anchor points [LRH drawing]. Here's your thetan, circle here. Let's say his anchor points as he looked out to the front — by the way, it's very amusing: the GE — the GE has a couple of anchor points out there. They're quite some distance away. And when he thinks they're closed down, boy, do you get sick. Those anchor points float way out there. And the thetan can go out and poke them, and they'll turn back into the same point, they'll come back to the same thing again. I mean they're the only object that he finds anywhere around his body that won't stay permanently moved if he pushes it.

All right. You start filling the guy, any part of the body — here's a wonderful technique by the way, you just — with the mock-ups. You just find out what the knee wants. Well, what's the knee want? It's a scarcity of some sort which the knee is all upset about. You'll find out the knee probably wants a basketball or it wants something of the sort.

He goes out and he throws — hits against these things and he gives them a shove, and they go away. They don't go away, they just wander off and then they come right back to the same point.

You can put the guy on an E-meter and start asking his knee, "What do you want?" And of course it's silly, it really doesn't want anything; it wants to fill a vacuum. But it's got some sort of evaluation on what vacuum it's trying to fill with what. And that's the trouble with it, it thinks you have to know what to fill a vacuum with before you can do anything with it and that's nutty, by the way. That's reason.

Very fascinating. Because he can mock up things that look twice as good as them and three times as solid and push them around and they'll fly all over the place, but not these. Those are the GE's anchor points on which the whole organization of the body is built. These are the orienting points on which the human body is constructed, and that is the size of the bodies regulated by those points and so forth.

A vacuum is a vacuum. It — and the criterion, the overhanging level of theta, is the only thing that says what it's to be filled with. But it'll be based on some actual experience of scarcity. So what do you do? You just keep mocking up this object and having him give it away and throw it away and give it to other people or give it to himself, or keep stuffing these mock- ups. And finally he'll get to a point where he can stuff these mock-ups into the area and what do you know, what happens? Kabong! Knee goes away. Not a bad knee anymore. Quite fascinating!

So here are a couple of points up here. Here's anchor point A, anchor point B. We got those two big points out there. All right. Let's just take your thetan and he looks out here and he sees anchor point A and anchor point B. Now, if you take these anchor points and you imagine these anchor points out there in front of you, not the GE's, just — you don't — see, you don't have to have any anchor points at all, that's the whole joke. You get into space; the second that you believe there's space then you think there has to be anchor points, and the second you get anchor points you get relative size, and the second you get relative size you get in there paralleling flows; you've got space then and you've got energy, you're working along with a parallel of the MEST universe; and the next thing you know, you're taking your cue for size from the MEST universe only, and you're in the bag. You're all ruined by that time.

That little technique is — that's Give and Take. You'll get that, lots of that, in some of the Philadelphia lectures. The ne plus ultra. I'm just giving you more data on it right now.

Put up — just throw out as far as you can, out thataway, out in front of you there, throw out a couple of anchor points. Throw them way out there. See how far out you can get them.

So, we have then the preclear's idea that he has to get into the middle, the center; because the center's the vacuum and the vacuum is what's valuable and that's what's got to be filled and he's got to be filled and that's what he's got to have in the vacuum and that's "want." That's "need." Or, he almost never does this: try to unload an overfilled hole. He's got an overfilled piece of space and he wants to get something out of it. You might say life consists of bailing out places that are too full and filling places that are too empty.

Note your own concept of size. Throw them way back out there again. Let's get them way out.

Life seems to have an ambition of establishing some sort of a noxious mean. Until you examine the fact that the only interest level there is put on anything is put on by life. It's just a game it plays. It's a game called fill the hole and empty the hole.

All right. Now haul them in. Bring them in to with about an inch in front of your face. Let's get them right up close.

You get — want to get some fancy somatics, just get this concept for a moment. All right. Now let's empty this empty hole. You can strain at that for a little while and you're liable to get some very horrible headaches and things like that.

Now let's put four or five more about an inch in front of your face.

Now the reason why some of your preclears can't get out of their heads easily and why they disperse all over the place is simply - it's simply a matter of too much in a place or too little in a place. That's all. I don't care too much of what or too little of what.

Now let's put another dozen right here about an inch in front of your face.

They think that the center is so crowded that they can't occupy it anymore, and this becomes a problem of valences. And let me call you back, your attention to Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health with its statement and releases on the subject of valences. And these valences never had really a good solution till now. We called them later "life continuum," we called them all sorts of things. And I'm going to tell you right now in about two minutes how to solve a valence. And you better get this one down because you'll use this one.

Now let's haul them in tighter.

The fellow — (You can read all about this in Self Analysis in terms of he doesn't want to be — Like, you see, is the word used for "admire," and dislike is "not admire." That's interesting, isn't it?) — the fellow wants to be like his friends and unlike his enemies. So you go up and down the track and find all the people that he wouldn't like to be like. You won't find very many. And then you mock up these people and you make them do the things he likes to do. This will practically kill him, by the way. He'll have an awful time with this. You'll have to enter it on a gradient scale in many cases.

Now let's put another hundred or so right there about an inch in front of your face and let's pull them in closer.

He had this person he just thoroughly detested! This person that he would just murder on sight he says. So what do you do? You have him mock up this person and then have this person do all the things which he identifies as his own tricks. You know, you have Joe mock up this detested person Bill, and you have Joe then mock Bill up eating and sleeping and going out with Joe's wife, and all these sort of things, and using his little mannerisms and tricks of speech and so on. And he'll watch this going — by the way, it'll knock him, it'll practically knock him out. He'll practically go out like a light.

Now let's pretend there's a wall out in front of them that won't let them go out again.

Now what's the next thing you do to him? You make him mock up right where he is and right where his body is, the enemy's body.

Now let's knock down the wall, and let's start throwing those anchor points way out, as far as you can throw them. Get them way out there. As many of them as you got, get them way out.

And have himself doing — you see, just mock up, instead of with this body, you sort of unmock, you know? You unmock, you might say, the body he has and just put in its place, male or female, this body he detests. And you have this body doing all the things and being butchered by the antagonist, by the way, himself.

Now just reach into your body, anywhere that you have a somatic, and pick up an anchor point and put it way out in front of you.

You can have this fellow, say — let's say you've got this preclear. Now let me be very specific about this. You mock him up, in terms of enemies, you have him mock up himself as the enemy and mock up the enemy as himself. Just reverse it, you see? And make it noticeably so, and have the enemy do all the things he likes to do and then have him do all the things which he hates in the enemy.

Reach in there anyplace you've got a feeling, any sensation at all, and pick up that sensation, pick up an anchor point right at that point and put it way out there.

Just mock himself up going through all these actions. This will turn on a very interesting array of facsimiles. I'll give you the reason for this in just a moment. But you don't have to worry about the facsimiles. You just follow the mock-up line. Make it as further and further differentiated as you can after he first gets the idea.

Now reach into your eyeballs, and pick an anchor point out of each eyeball and put it way out there.

Now, let's have — let's have him do the same thing with friends, because that's actually desire on the line. Have him mock up his friends doing all the things he likes to do and have him mock himself up as his friends doing all the things they like to do.

All right. Now just adjust your anchor points the way they normally are.

And by the way you'll find out that this is a very much faster process than it would assume, because what do you find? You'll find some friend of his has developed a couple of his mannerisms.

Two things happened: either as you pulled them up close to you, either as you pulled them up close to you, you got a feeling of enormous size (in other words what you did, you didn't pull them in, you just made yourself bigger); or, you got a feeling of being very tiny. As you pulled them in you got smaller and smaller. You see? You could go either way with that. You could adjust your size to the anchor points by getting bigger or adjust your anchor points to your size by getting smaller. Very fascinating, isn't it? Well, that's what size is. And that's also this stuff up here.

And you'll just have that friend do those mannerisms, you see, as his body. You get the idea?

All the work you go to all the time to stipple this in is fascinating, but you just stipple it in continually. Good and solid, too. You — when you do this you have to stipple in all sorts of things. You think — you don't — you think your mind is maybe sloppy or isn't operating, or something of the sort. Boy, when you start to think of how much it has to go to keep this universe filled in, it's really wonderful. Really does quite a job.

You mock up the friend as the friend. Your preclear always had the idea of standing around, kind of sticking his fingers under his coat lapel like this. Just mock up these enemies and friends of his who stand around with their thumbs under their coat lapels. It'll drive him nuts, by the way. He just practically goes mad!

This is anchor points, this stuff up here, this MEST — whole flock of anchor points. When a person has to live in too small a room, something like that, why, he tries to put out anchor points and they conflict with this and then he feels very strange about the whole thing. That's why you take some guy like Adolf Schicklgruber and you find him and his minions always putting a desk at one end of the hall where you ought to have a ballroom or something of the sort and getting the other end of that hall as far as possible away. It made them feel, made some of them feel awfully small and made some of them feel awfully big, you see? Well, if it made you feet awfully big, why, you got a big hall, and if you needed the reverse you'd get a little tiny hall.

What are they doing? They're occupying the vacuum, the center of the bank. Why can't this preclear get to his facsimiles? Because he's not in the middle of his bank. He can't read his ridges, he can't get the flows in straight, he's running on circuits from all sides. He doesn't know whether he's going or coming. He isn't even vaguely in the middle of the bank. Why isn't he there?

You want to know what's the matter with people with claustrophobia and other things: Disorientation with regard to space. Nearly everybody's got a disorientation of one sort or another with regard to space. Disorientation is simply based upon an aberration of that concept of anchor points. They put out anchor points. There isn't any reason why you have to put out anchor points, that's the first move into energy.

Because it's being occupied by other people. He's no longer himself. An enemy is now him. So he has to hate himself.

An anchor point is a unit of energy. That's your first unit of energy, and when a fellow starts making lots of energy he just puts out lots of anchor points and that flows from one place to another and he changes it around and you've got energy. And that's about all there is to it, I'm afraid.

Here's valences, and here's life continuum. This is the way you solve it. Honest, it's too easy. It shouldn't happen to you. It's just too doggone easy. You'll mock it up — you'll find out that the most effective mock-ups you get is when he'll mock up somebody he detests (you know, puts on their body as the mock-up) and then has himself being butchered by his own body mocked up there in front of him, you see? And you have him mock up himself out here in front and then mock up himself as the people he's been mean to. And you have this enemy feeling so sad and thinking all the thoughts the enemy thought at the time it was being argued at and kicked around by himself. Do you follow that?

It's quite simple. You stipple space in. As you think this over it'll digest, and become more — much more digestible to you. It's just the idea of here are anchor points and so on.

You've got, in short, you've got him reexperiencing all of the mean things he has done to others. You've turned around the overt act-motivator phenomenon and that is the way to solve it, and it solves it very rapidly. Quite important as a technique. Because this one will blow loose more off of the track and straighten the fellow out faster than anything else except what you'll get on these tapes known as GITA — Give and Take Processing — which is filling the vacuum.

You can go down the street and you'll watch this bus coming toward you. And actually you can get a frame of mind so that as you watch the bus coming toward you, you get huge. You'll just get enormous. That's the wrong thing to do with regard to London buses, they don't care how big you are. Or you'll look at it and it's making you very small. As a matter of fact it is driving in an anchor point.

So the vacuum is the center, and he should be in the center but he can't be in the center of his bank, he can't be over here in the middle of his bank, he's way off to the edge. Now you ask him to get out of his head. Well, he should be in the center of his bank but he's really in his head but he's not in the center of his bank.

Now, what is this thing called size, and how does it become fixed with the being? Why does he think he's just this big? It's fascinating, but from preclear to preclear, he — they give you the weirdest differences how big they are. One fellow says, "I'm a great big thetan." Another one says, "I'm just a little fellow." Rats!

He gets driven out to a point where his own anchor points are dispersed way out there. He's running away. And he's got his anchor points clear out on the hundred and eighty-fifth thousandth ridge, sitting out near the horizon someplace. He's not near the middle of that bank.

Funny part of it is, you see, there's really no such thing as size except relative to something else. And what he's telling you is "I feel bigger than something," or "I feel smaller than something." All you have to ask him is "Than what?"

Why can't he be in the middle of the bank? Because all of his enemies are sitting in the middle of the bank. They've all imitated him. His thirst for identity is such.

He says, "I feel real big. I'm a great big thetan."

You can always find the middle of a guy's bank and try to move him into it, by the way; you just find the spot everything flies to. Get a mock-up, it goes out — whhsh! over there to the right someplace, and there'll be a hole. There's a hole over there.

You say, "Bigger than what?" And he'll really give you the answer. He'll think for a moment, and he'll realize that he's got himself estimated alongside of a palm tree he knew once, or something of the sort. And he's got himself lined up with some other spacial characteristic.

That's the middle of some past bank. You can fill it up if you want to. And after a while nothing will fly into it anymore. What do you fill it up with?

Now, in the Philadelphia lectures you'll hear a great deal about desire, enforce and inhibit as the three stages. Now, you as a thetan actually add interest to things. There are three characteristics with which we're involved here. One is interest. You can be interested in something without a dimension and without any energy involved. You're just simply — you're interested, that's all. Now, when we get interested in something which has dimension, we have to reach out and approximate its dimensions with anchor points in order to perceive it. But remember — get that solidly — interest does not depend upon anchor points and energy. The three things are interest, anchor points and space and energy.

Well, I'll tell you. To solve this anchor point proposition the fellow has to be able to advance anchor points into everything he detests and to withdraw anchor points from everything he wants. He has to be able to do both of these things.

He has to be able to advance anchor points completely relaxedly in the face of everything detested and everything desired, and pull in anchor points in the face of everything detested and everything desired. You would be amazed at some of the mock-ups that some auditors over in Philadelphia managed to get — heh! — mocked up, and get people to do.

Every once in a while the preclear would say, "Well, it's only a mock-up, isn't it?"

Then the auditor would start to pour on the coal. "That's right. All right. Now get this drunk staggering out of a Piccadilly bar. You got him there? Now get him dreadfully sick at his stomach."

Fellow says, "Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no, ho-ho!"

"Now, come on, you said it was just a mock-up. Now, let's get him drunk completely. Okay, now eat it.

"No!"

You'd be surprised. The fellow just goes into practically convulsions for a few minutes, and then all of a sudden, "Ah! So what!" And he feels a lot better. Why? He drew in his anchor points away from detested things. There actually isn't any such thing as a detested thing except somebody's idea. So he's dragging in his anchor points away from chimera, from pure bunk.

People say this is bad and that's bad and something else is bad and something else is bad and something else is bad, so each time he keeps pulling his anchor points away from these points. So therefore he can't advance them out. And he gets smaller and smaller and smaller, and he gets smaller and smaller in exact ratio to the number of things he detests. And he tries to get bigger in ratio to the number of things he desires. And so there's your Give and Take on anchor points. Very fascinating technique. Just the filling up of a vacuum or the emptying out of a vacuum.

You'll find out that the fellow can take food out of his teeth by the hour. He can take all sorts of horribly detestable things out of his teeth by the hour, and boy, you get some of the fanciest somatics you ever heard of. He could probably take one tooth and rehabilitate a thetan.

Somebody came around to me tonight and told me somebody was developing a growth that was supposed to have been cured; the growth keeps getting bigger. Sure, the growth's putting out its anchor points. That's all. You want to get rid of the growth, drive them in. Mock-ups. Just put mock-ups there, right there, and you'll solve it. What kind of mockups? Well, those thetans have got to relieve themselves one way or the other of too much in or too much out or something of the sort. So this Give and Take Processing right in that area will solve that case.

All right. Now, when we talk about valences, the fellow of course is — he hasn't got any center to put any anchor points out from.

Why? The center's being occupied by somebody else. So this is the most aberrative thing there could be, isn't it? He can't be in his own bank so he can't even run his own engrams. He's done.

How do we solve this? We just give him lots of the other person doing all the things he wants to be and do, and we just scramble up identities by having everybody be him and him be everybody. And we do it in this orderly fashion, and we've got the thing solved.

Nothing much to this. This problem falls apart in your hands. You can take an E-meter and scout this down in a preclear fairly rapidly. Or you can simply ask him, "Who can't you see?" And you find out who he can't see, that's the person that was driving in his anchor points. That's all there is to it.

Now you can mock up that person without him even seeing that person and have him knock in these anchor points, or mock up that person doing the things, if he can see them, eventually, doing the things he wants to be and do. And the person will occupy the center of his bank and he'll get out of these past engrams.

He's trying to find his identity all the way up and down the track and the big joke is he has no identity. The identity is a vacuum. He's trying to find out who he was. In other words, he's trying to find out who people told him he could be. That's a great way to look at it, isn't it?

Actually his greatest individuality is his oneness with all, so to speak, and that's a big individuality. He can go up tone scale and hit that and then he has — doesn't have to be named Joe anymore so he can tell himself apart from other people.

The end product of all individuality, really, as classified today and termed identity, is a cell. And that's mighty small, and I know you don't want to be one, and so I will wish you a very good night.