It so happens when an individual receives a pain, or which is to say, he's got effort faced with counter-effort, he will give attention to that spot. This is a mechanism the body operates on. When you are hurt, you give your attention to what is hurting you. If you fail to do this, you won't survive as a physical body. The body won't survive, and this is nonsurvival.

There is some difference between a theta line and an organism, the difference being that an organism is MEST universe. An organism is a carbon-oxygen motor, low-heat engine, runs at a temperature of 98.6, has a circulatory system. You could actually, in a biological laboratory, build and grow a muscle engine. Wouldn't have a bit of theta in it. A muscle engine. You could hook up a flock of muscles to a crankshaft and grow the muscles and it would run the crankshaft. I mean, as simple as that. A carbon-oxygen engine should therefore not be confused with the human mind.

So, there is what is known as a threshold of pain. This translates into the degree of attention which is attracted to the body. Pain becomes unbearable. The moment of unbearableness of pain is when all of one's attention goes into the effort to hold it back - pain is unbearable at that point.

Now, the human mind, again, should not be confused with a theta line. When you consider a mind, you consider a unit mind. It is a – in most of your concepts of the mind, you think of the mind as something which an organism has to pilot and monitor it. An organism – one organism has this one mind.

After that point, one keeps his attention there but surrenders to it. So there's actually a precise point of effort-counter-effort where one distracts all of his attention to that point.

Well, that would be a subdivision of the theta mind or the theta line. The theta line would be a timeless, spaceless influence, capable of making recordings, capable of animating and motivating and controlling, forming, destroying, conserving: matter, energy, space and time. Now, that is theta, and you could consider that this sort of a situation existed.

And you'll find out that any sharp or severe counter-effort which a person has received in the past has invited his attention to that spot. In other words, his effort to do something about this counter-effort has gone to that spot. Therefore, in facsimiles you find that the attention assigned by the facsimile is toward the exact point of the counter-effort, and the action is toward arresting the counter-effort.

You understand now that I am not talking to you from the field of mysticism. I am talking to you from an embracive field which also embraces the field of mysticism. This data neither admits the principle of mysticism nor debars the principle of mysticism. It neither admits the principle of science nor debars the principles of science as it is practiced today.

Therefore, you actually have to distract the person's attention from the counter-effort in order to do something about the facsimile. The counter-effort is not going to come in any further. It's simply not going to come in any further as long as the preclear's attention remains there.

This is merely – these subjects, mysticism and so forth, are just routes toward discovery. A lot of data has been collected out of them.

Now, almost anyone in the normal band is engaged in holding back quite a few counter-efforts. All you have to do to convince a person of this is to say, "Now let's feel alive in your foot. Now let's feel alive in the other foot. Now let's feel alive in the right ear. Now let's feel alive in the left ear." And all of a sudden, bop! He - you will have gotten his attention off of some old facsimile, some counter-effort, that he has experienced in the past. And when you do, it will come in on him a little bit more.

Now, let's look at this subject both as to theta and the material universe and see if we don't have something vaguely resembling order coming out of the chaotic concept which most people have regarding mind.

Well, of course, you want this counter-effort to exhaust, and it's never going to exhaust as long as the individual has his attention centered on it. Of course!

What I am telling you here is not necessarily true. It happens to be very workable and is relatively more true than anything which has been so far presented, since it embraces and organizes many fields which have been, in the past, merely specialized fields.

Now, the concentration of attention on counter-effort is the main mechanism of estimating what to do with effort. And when it gets up to the degree of pain - heavy counter-effort - attention becomes fixed.

Let us consider the subject – the whole subject of knowledge.

If you've ever watched anybody being subjected to pain, you'll have - see that they fixed their attention on the point of impact of the pain and then successively, immediately after that, failed to keep their attention there, and their attention began to wander. And it wandered too much. They just went all over the place. Their body writhes and so forth - their attention goes all over the place.

Scientology would be the study of knowing, or the science of sciences. Therefore, the basic concept on which it is built should be of interest to you. This is an analogy which will tell you something about that.

Well, these things, conditions, exist in facsimiles. So in some facsimiles the pain is so intense and the counter-effort has come in so far that a person's entire and complete attention is wandering. It's all over already. And what you're going to try to do to resolve that counter-effort is get him to fix his attention on the counter-effort itself. And when you can fix his attention on it, then something will happen to the counter-effort and it will change.

Up here we have what we will call bin 1. Bin 1 is full of data. Knowledge is perforce concerned with data. If you consider a datum broadly enough to also include a motivation, a cause or an existence, then bin 1 up here has nothing in it but data.

But when the person's attention in the facsimile is riveted on the counter-effort, you've got to get his attention off the counter-effort in order to get the counter-effort to work out.

But let's consider that bin 1 has in it nothing but TRUE data. Here, for instance, would be, if it exists anywhere, the data considered in transcendentalism – the organization of knowledge which exceeds and goes above all knowledge. In other words, all knowledge is above the range of human experience, according to somebody like Kant, Hegel, – Hegel particularly. Hegel haggled around and got himself to be a very confused boy, and he got himself so confused that he says, "I'm just going to abandon the whole shooting match, and I'm going to tell you and me that anything that is worth knowing is beyond the realm of human experience. It cannot be sensed, measured or experienced by a human being. That gets me out of my difficulty and you're stuck with it." Typical Scholastic thinking.

Now, therefore, as an auditor you have to either try to attract your preclear's attention to where the counter-effort is, or get his attention off of where the counter-effort is. If he's very low on the Tone Scale, it will be a matter of trying to attract enough attention to the point of the counter-effort that he can do something about it - that you can do something about it and drive it out, exhaust it and get the effort and counter-effort out of the facsimile.

And yet the world was stupid enough, by the way, for a hundred and some years, to let Hegel lie across the path of human advancement. For instance, the astronomer Piazzi discovered the eighth planet. Hegel simultaneously had published a monograph demonstrating conclusively that there could only be seven planets, because seven was a perfect number indivisible by itself and others and the Constitution or something.

But if he's up the Tone Scale, his own effort is more and more fixed - his attention is more and more fixed in that facsimile on the counter-effort.

And so do you know that nobody went out and took a look! Nobody went out and took a look at Plazzi's planet, They just read Hegel, And the planet was up there. All you had to do was look through a telescope and see that it was in – its path was influencing other planets, and there had to be a planet there. But it took them a long time to get around to being smart enough to say, "What we can sense, measure and experience is more valid than what we can guess." Now, oddly enough, the ... You know Ohm's law – that very important law in electricity? Well, I've forgotten how long Ohm's law was considered to be beyond bounds, but it was fought and not used by people of Hegel's complexion. Actually here was a natural law, and a person like Hegel could come along and repeal it. Well, of course, nobody would get any electronicking done if you didn't have Ohm's law. Nobody bothered to measure it. They just said, "Well, it says here on page 86 that Ohm's law ain't, so it ain't." I'm sorry to use the word ain't, but it better fits with the complexion of such thinking – thinking quote unquote (laughter) – as these lads were using.

If you want to run an experiment on this, just follow it out on the basis of "Let's feel your attention in your left foot. Let's feel your attention in your right foot. Let's feel your attention in your right hand. Let's feel your attention in your left hand." And first thing you know, the individual will have a counter-effort come through on him.

I had a doctor come in – he saw my name on a grip – down in Washington, DC, about a year ago. And this doctor came in and he was going to give me a shot. I'd just come across the country and I was coughing – probably had Service Fac One in restimulation. Anyway, a little penicillin would have fixed me up.

The counter-effort will happen in two ways: If he's low on the Tone Scale, at the moment you put the attention on his left hand, if the counter-effort is actually running through his left hand, when his attention goes on the left hand, he will find the counter-effort there. And he'll suddenly experience a pain in his left hand. He, for the first time, is experiencing this counter-effort which has been going through him for a long, long time in the facsimile. On other people, you start shifting their . attention around and suddenly the counter-effort will come through.

So I whistled up this doctor and he came in, and he saw my name on top of a grip. And he came in very sunnily, and the second he saw my name, he sort of froze up. And he said, "What do you do'" and "What are you?" and so on, He was a very nasty fellow anyway. And I said, "I'm an engineer," and – which is quite truthful. And he knew damn well who I was So he tried to give me a big breakdown on the fact – he said, "Well, there are people around that think things are useful just because they're workable and that people ought to have something to do with them just because they're workable." He says, "That's no argument at all" – jabs an eighteen-gauge needle into my gluteus maximus (laughter), and says, "I couldn't consider why anybody would work in that field anyway," pulls the needle out, doesn't bother to stop the blood flow, packs up his kit and leaves.

Well, by fixing and unfixing the person's attention on various parts of the body, by working them back and forth, back and forth, and around and around, getting their attention off and on to the part that is being affected, you will be able to exhaust the effort and counter-effort out of the facsimile and render that facsimile null and void. You can also run emotional curves until the facsimile is null and void, because it's emotion that is actually causing this person to hold on to it. Okay.

In other words, we still have Hegelism around. They'd rather read on page 82 that this is so than go and look.

Now I want to give another demonstration here.

Well, this bin of knowledge up here might contain absolute knowledge. It might contain absolute knowledge. And if it did, it would also contain all this knowledge which Hegel himself couldn't experience. There would be no limit to the amount of data contained in this, but it would all be true. It would all be true. It'd be close to absolute truth, if not absolute truth. Now, this is just for an analogy.

LRH: Do you have any counter-efforts hitting you? Right now?

Now, if we consider – consider knowledge to be a circle, we find out that we have a continuing line here. At this point on the circle – just draw this circle, and then from the center out draw a line. Now, on the right side of that line – exactly on the right side of that Line – is one datum known. One datum, that's all. Now, existing right with it, but perhaps a tiny bit out of alignment with it, would be another datum. There'd be two data known,

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

Now, as these would advance in a clockwise direction, we would find that we would be accumulating more and more data. This would be what would be known as thinking by figuring out a theory and then looking and seeing whether or not you found data to support the theory.

LRH: Face?

Now, around the clock here would come more and more known, more and more known, more and more known, more and more known, until just before we got to that zero, we would have all things known – not a single missing datum. Everything known. They're right next to each other – everything known, nothing known, and two data known actually occupy the same spot. They actually occupy the same spot on this circle.

PC: No.

But as we move clockwise on this wise, we collect more and more and more and more data. And finally, as we go all the way around, it's all known.

Commentator: Drop of one full point.

Now, philosophy, extrapolative thinking, that horrible word, pragmatic thinking... Pragmatism, by the way, used to be a good word until the universities got ahold of it, and now it says that it's – oh, the most wonderful definition. It says "humbuggery" and "bellicosity" and "thinking by induction" and it has about – oh, a whole bunch of meanings. I'm being jocular about what it says there, but there are all these meanings surround this word pragmatism. Actually, basically and originally all pragmatism meant is you just took some data and went out and found out if it was true by measuring it up against the physical universe,

LRH: Chest?

Well, if we started backwards from all things known, up this way, we would just getting into the – be getting into the more and more theoretical. Now, it's very hard to advance from everything known and keep abandoning things you know – keep abandoning things you know, counterclockwise here, until you finally get down to two data. In fact, it's practically impossible to do that.

PC: No. LRH: Knees?

But you can start here with two data known and inductively locate phenomena in the physical universe. You can do this. You have, then, a yardstick by which you can find out what's known and what isn't known. And you can locate phenomena. You can say, "Well, look, this phenomena is supposed to exist; according to – according to these two data, that phenomena – there's a lot of phenomena that exists. Let's go and see if we can find it." So we go and look and it's there. Well, that's fine; we find a lot of phenomena.

PC: No.

But coming back this way, you're just dumping things off the freight car, so to speak, all the time, and you're not looking for new phenomena. You're trying to somehow explain old phenomena by throwing away what you have, and so on.

LRH: Feet?

The latter method which I'm describing to you is the method which, in all seriousness, science has been using for a long time, It results in such things as super specialization.

PC: No. Back up a little bit. Gluteus maximus.

Why. you go down a hall in a medical building and you check in and you say, "There's something in my eye."

Commentator: Needle continues to drop.

And the doctor looks at you and he says, "No," he says, "I'm an optic specialist and you'll have to go next door. An optic surgeon is next door, and what I handle is the cornea.

LRH: The gluteus maximus.

And you go next door and you find out he handles the pupil. Well, this spot of dirt is in the white. And you have to shop around for quite a while, and you find somebody with this – that handles the white part of the eye, you see, and he takes the spot of dirt out ONLY if he is a surgeon for the white spot of the eye. By the way, I'm going along with old Doc Pottenger. I know the old man – he's a great old man. And he says, "If there was just some way we could break down this G. D. blankety-blank-blank specialization," he says, "maybe we could cure something."

PC: Penicillin shot. (laugh)

Well, this method of thinking, then, going back here counterclockwise, is scientific thinking "Let's go and gather a whole bunch of data. Let's gather a lot of data and let's look at a lot of phenomena. And after we've gotten everything we can find on the subject, then let's go find a theory for it. And let's just take any old theory that happens to come along and see if it explains some of this data. If it does, we're all set."

LRH: Oh, you got a penicillin shot.

As a consequence, science won't advance around here counterclockwise, but just keeps sort of wandering off, and it gets off here and there and gets all confused about it. And it has been doing so, so that you get cytology arguing with biology, arguing with evolutionists. And these theories are all different. These theories were not arrived at inductively, and these theories do not predict new phenomena.

PC: Yeah.

Scientology is an effort to go around the clock clockwise – to take data and then look for material, look for the phenomena predicted by that data and see if it exists in the physical universe.

LRH: On one side of the gluteus maximus?

Well, it's an interesting – an interesting field, Scientology, because all it's trying to do is pick up all the loose ends of people who were trying to travel backwards in this circle. It's trying to get a unification of science, combine it with a unification of anything – the humanities, religion or even mathematics, aesthetics. It's trying to bring these things all into the same field so that they can all be used.

PC: On the right half - the right half.

Now, that all by itself is a worthwhile goal. It wouldn't have to have anything to do with processing or application, curing up anything in people, to be quite worthwhile as a goal. As a matter of fact, it does that. It does that.

LRH: On the right half. Put your attention on the left half.

It'll predict – by the way, you can take Scientology and you can predict what should be the whole field of biology and where it should mesh with cytology and where that should mesh with evolution. And you will come out with a package of data and phenomena which, if you presented them to the cytologist, to the biologist and to the evolutionist, you would find a point of agreement. They would agree on the data which you had there.

PC: Put my attention on the left half.

Now, I'm giving you that to show you that, theoretically, there is just one set of data, but that set is of infinite size, and if it were all true we would put it up here in bin 1. Bin 1, this square.

LRH: Put your attention on the left half.

Now, there would be a third bin, however. How do you get to be human? Well, as a matter of fact, the only way you can be human is by being wrong. Actually the wrongest you can get is dead, you see, but you're pretty close to it when you agree to be human. For instance, you sense that – a person, for instance, tells little social lies and he says – he's polite and he's this and he's that, and he doesn't exert his own self-determinism very much in social concourse with the rest of the human race. And as a net result, he is permitting himself to be thrown out of his actual course of existence. It's wrong – social lies are wrong and so forth. But he has to be wrong to be human. He couldn't be very right and be human.

PC: That's a little difficult to do.

Now its the same way with all this data down here. This is bin 3. Down here is bin 3. Now, bin 3 contains in it relative truths, workable truths, things you can sense, measure and experience. You don't have to be able to sense, measure and experience anything in 1, but down here in 3, that's human knowledge. And this is varying and shifting continually. And there isn't a datum in it which is absolute. Every datum in it has a little bit of wrongness about it. It's only relatively true; it can be sensed, measured, or experienced.

LRH: Well, let's put your attention now on the top of your head.

This includes how to make clam chowder. It includes what they will be wearing in 1953. It includes the field of biology. It'll include literature, anything – just data, data, data, data, data – all relatively true, subject to opinion, subject to viewpoint and so forth. But it's what has passed in the human race for knowledge.

PC: Okay.

It all depends on what strata of truth or what degree of truth you're demanding from this bin. And you can go out and get a lot of opinions – each one of them is data. You can learn all about painting simply by going and taking a critic's manual of the great masterpieces of the world and memorizing it. You don't ever look at the paintings. Something here is van Gogh, and it said there in the critic's manual – he's an authority; you just read that, that's a perfectly valid datum – he says in there, "Van Gogh was yakety-yakety-yak, wela-dee-da-blah-blah-blahdeblah-blah and showed at various times a tremendous inclination toward power and strength, but he blahdeblah-blah-de-dah-da-blah. Now, the list of his paintings are so-and-so. This is known in Europe. This painting is known here and that painting is owned there, and this painting is particularly good for being balanced on all seven tricycles," or something.

LRH: Let's put your attention on your right foot.

And you get this – you get a whole command of the subject of van Gogh without even faintly getting any command of aesthetics. But do you know, you could go out, with having memorized that entire manual on the famous paintings and paintings of history, and pass for a tremendously aesthetic person. You could. You could go around and any time anybody mentioned something by – well, some obscure Finnish painter, and you'd say, "Oh yes, yes, his Blue Girl, I always thought was terribly 'rankatewa' don't you think?" And they would look at you and they would say, "Hm, an authority, an expert." And they would be very polite.

Commentator: Needle is now rising back to the original position. (pause) Needle continues to rise.

Now, you could know all there is to know about painting, about music, in that wise, without ever knowing how to paint, never knowing anything about music, really, and with knowing nothing about aesthetics, having no more taste than a cow, and yet get by. And all of that's perfectly valid information. That's all – that's a valid performance. After all, people have been acting like that for centuries. And it's a perfectly valid performance to memorize a bunch of this data and say, "I am now cultured."

LRH: Left foot.

What's cultured? Well, that all depends on the time. For instance, a fellow couldn't be cultured two hundred years ago unless he was prepared to sit down and lose a thousand pounds every night at the gaming table. Well, our definition has changed – definition has changed. Now he has to lose it on dog racing or something.

Commentator: It's still rising.

But all of... You see, I'm giving you this to try to show to you that the word cultured – without any definition of what we're going to agree on to he cultured, well, we can have all sorts of oddities here. A fellow memorizes a book and becomes cultured. Well, then, what's cultured? It's just whether or not we've agreed on the formula one is going to pursue to get cultured. That agreement will take bin 3 and rearrange what a person has to know or do to be cultured, you see?

LRH: You gotten a somatic in that puncture yet?

So that a large segment of the human race that was more or less knowledgeable about data in the world could get together and sort of agree – sort of agree that hereinafter people who were to be considered in the line of the arts had to be able to practice the art. They had to know aesthetics and practice the arts – not memorize. And right away, all this alignment of data in bin 3 would change.

PC: A somatic in the puncture, yeah.

The difference between bin I and bin 3, then, is what we happen to be using at the present time and what we've agreed upon is relatively useful to us. You see? That's all there is to it. In here comes fashion, styles, changes, and so forth.

LRH: Yeah. You're getting a somatic in the puncture?

For instance, fashions in physics have changed markedly. It was fashionable once upon a time to be entirely different and quite otherwise than the modern physicist. It's most fashionable now to use mathematics that he himself doesn't understand, and to sit around and hope that something won't blow up in your face. To – it's fashionable to say, "Well the law of conservation of energy is in question but it's not in question and so on. Fascinating subject right now. But just twenty-five years ago, this science – this exact science of physics – was quite otherwise, quite otherwise. It was a precision science. Nobody worried about a thing. All the data in here was just in beautiful condition – oh, wonderful! And nobody questioning it – everybody agreed on it. It was solid, It was almost a static. It was almost as though it was bin 1.

PC: Yeah, when I take my attention off these extremities, yes.

And then, of course, somebody comes along and digs up a little more of Maxwell's work and Einstein's equations, and quantum mechanics gets invented and the Germans do this and we do that, and all of a sudden here's the whole subject – it's just up in air. You don't know from, actually, one month to the next, what's happening in physics: This month light is a particle, next month it's a wave and so on. And the fashions – fashions in the mathematics used in it change. So, again, the whole subject is in flux. It's random now as a subject.

Commentator: Needle wavering; begins to drop.

So knowledge changes in bin 3 in accordance with what we've agreed upon about the physical universe. It doesn't matter what we've agreed upon, that data can get into bin 3. And we can agree that something is true which is utterly false, and it'll still appear as a datum in bin 3. We can agree that all of us can make the tides of the ocean overflow and drown the Land on Shrove Wednesday or Ash August." And we can agree upon this. It doesn't necessarily have to happen. It's a datum. Now we can work on that.

LRH: Yeah. You get a somatic in the puncture, okay.

For instance, a lot of people agreed once upon a time that the Roman Empire – Rome itself was suddenly going to disappear in a boiling mass of lava, red hot lava, and that every Roman in the town was going to perish in that boiling mass of lava. And they agreed upon this and they agreed upon it and they agreed upon it, and everybody sat around and waited for it to happen. Every body hated Rome. And they waited for it to happen and they waited for it to happen and they waited for it to happen, and it just didn't happen! And this became discouraging.

PC: Yeah, in the Puncture. Yeah.

One time, by the way, they set fire to it just to make it come true, and then blamed the emperor. And then blamed him again when he crucified some people for having done it. Very interesting.

LRH: That's right.

But the point is that they had agreed upon it. It was an accepted datum. It was so thoroughly accepted that men would have killed each other rather than to have overset this datum: "Rome is going to go up in a cloud of hot lava." And Rome didn't, so they had to invent hell. (laughter) And that's right; that is the source of hell. They finally said "So we're talking about a symbolical Rome." We couldn't make this town go, so we had to change data in bin 3. My authority for this is Edward Gibbon. Edward Gibbon is a thorough Christian – thorough. Only I'm very – I'm sure, I'm sure that the Church and so forth is very happy that he has written with such long words so that so few people read him. Actually, he reads like a dime novel, and his blasts on this subject are – they really char the paper.

[to audience] You can see by that needle there, that this somatic's wearing out. His tone's coming up.

But anyhow, there's bin 3 – even contains Gibbon. It also contains the endowment lists, that is – what do you call them? Oh, the index – what is that thing they called – what do you call it?

[to pc] Okay, get your attention in your throat.

Male voice: "Index of Forbidden Books."

PC: Throat. That's the place where the penicillin was given for - throat infection.

"Index of Forbidden Books"! Well, it's something like that. & I knew the Latin. & Well, just to be blunt here, we have the channels between 3 and 1, and those are the channels of search. Mysticism, religion – all of those things come on this second-channel level. That's 2. And those are the routes of knowing. And the data in 2 is just how you get data out of 1 and into 3.

LRH: Well, get your attention in your throat. All right. Get your attention in your left shoulder. Right shoulder. Right hand.

Scientology is actually a route which pretends to embrace everything here in bin 2. It doesn't matter what route is used, will be used, can't be used or anything else, or what argument is against using it – that is bin 2.

Commentator: Very, very small area of the tone scale.

And what Scientology is, is bin 2: How do you get knowledge from 1 to its relatively highest degree of truth, into bin 3?

LRH: Left hand.

I hope you understand that so that no holds are barred in this subject. If you can find out that the Arabs had a method of blowing sand into certain shapes and finding out what was in bin 1, believe me, that is in the sphere of Scientology. Just like a slide rule, topology, the science of physics, or US government orders – US government orders – they're all in the same bin. Now, they're all embraced by Scientology.

Commentator: Just a slight fluctuation of tone.

And I hope you get a little better understanding, then, of what we're trying to do. We're trying to get the highest level of knowing that we can get, and this is a system of trying to get that highest level of knowing. So, no holds are barred in this subject.

LRH: [to audience] You note here, you can give these fairly rapidly one right after the other, for an excellent reason is, the attention will just flick on the shift and go into the member named and won't stay there very long.

Commentator: Tone arm tending to rise.

LRH: It'll go right straight back. The second he's aware of the fact that a pain is coming in at the area you're trying to work a counter-effort out of, soon as you get the - preclear becomes aware of it, he transfers his attention back to that immediately. What you're trying to do is distract him off the area - off the area enough to let the counter-effort come all the way through and wear it out. Pretty simple.

[to pc] All right, now I'm going to go through the nerve spots.

Commentator: Needle dropped on that statement.

LRH: All right, let's get the center of the forehead - some feeling of center of the forehead now.

PC: Little somatic there...

LRH: Little somatic there.

PC: ... when I turned on the awareness full there.

LRH: All right. Do you know where the vagus nerve is - right in the middle of your rib cage, below the solar plexus?

PC: Solar plexus, uh-huh.

LRH: All right. Get your attention in your solar plexus. Under your right armpit. Under your left armpit.

PC: It's warm under the pits.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Get your attention on the nerve cord that goes down the right side of your neck. Left side of your neck. The right side of your neck. Left side of your neck. Spine - attention on the twelve nerves of the spine. Let's get the lower area of the spine now. Attention on the middle area of the spine.

PC: Hm...

LRH: That really came through, didn't it?

PC: ... sitting uncomfortably.

LRH: Huh?

PC: I was sitting uncomfortably. I didn't know it till I did that.

LRH: Yeah. All right, upper spine. Center of your brain. All right, inside the knee.

PC: Which knee?

LRH: The nerve on the inside of the right knee. Nerve on the inside of the left knee. The left thigh. Nerves in the second joints of your fingers. Nerves in your toes.

Commentator: Slight drop and then a full rise.

LRH: Nerves in your right big toe. (pause) You still getting that somatic?

PC: Oh, the penicillin?

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Well, now that you bring my attention to it, yes.

LRH: Ah, we've got it down to a dispersed point now.

PC: But it's not so strong.

LRH: All right. Move your attention from your head down to the shot area - head to the shot area. (pause) Tips of your fingers to the shot area. Just keep your attention shifting from the tips of your fingers to the shot area.

PC: Makes the somatic stronger.

LRH: Sure. Soles of your feet to the shot area (pause) Bottom of your spine up to the brain and down to the shot area. Well, what happened there? Sudden charge?

Commentator: Needle took a full-point drop.

PC: No, I happened to think of something, that when you said from the soles of the feet to the shot area, I did not go through the nervous system of the legs.

LRH: But...

PC: I just shot it from the soles of the feet via the shortest ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... path in a straight line to the shot area.

LRH: All right. How is the somatic?

PC: Oh, it's not bad.

LRH: Is it less now?

PC: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Get the effort you had, at the time you were shot, to kick the shot back out again - all through the nervous system, the effort you had. From the extremities of the nervous system, push that shot right back out again.

Commentator: Very slight fluctuation in the needle, now rising very gradually.

LRH: Get it again. (pause) Again.

Commentator: Slight drop and more rise.

LRH: Getting your effort. Again. Extremities down and bop that shot out. (pause) All right. Now get your effort to hold on to the shot.

PC: That's the one that seems to be impeding me.

LRH: That's right. Now get your effort to hold on to that shot.

Commentator: Needle has dropped a full point and a half.

LRH: To have it - your effort to have it.

Commentator: Now rising. (pause) Slight drop, rising again.

LRH: Get your: effort to have it again. Get your stomach's effort to have it.

PC: That wasn't easy.

LRH: Mm, boy.

Commentator: Full point and a half drop, now rising.

LRH: Get your stomach's effort to have it. (pause) Get your back's effort to have it.

Commentator: Continuing to rise.

LRH: Now get the postulate you made that you had to have it.

PC: Ha-ha.

Commentator: Needle dropped full point and a half.

PC: Well, it had something to do with this gimmick I've been working on that penicillin is a food, not a drug. Remember I talked to you about it?

LRH: So you had to take some.

PC: I was trying to prove something.

LRH: Yeah. Did you turn on the sore throat to prove it?

PC: No. No, no that was ...

LRH: When's the first time you agreed to have a sore throat?

PC: Directly after the wisdom tooth was extracted. Somewhere about then.

LRH: You agreed to have that, huh?

PC: Wisdom tooth extraction?

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. When did you first desire to have a sore throat in your life - this life?

PC: I'm trying to track this one down. It's a little hard here. I keep running into my mother with a streptococcus infection.

LRH: Did she do it to you?

PC: I get a flash of "yes," but I don't know.

LRH: Did she give you sympathy for it?

PC: For my sore throat?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: For my sore throat ...

Commentator: Needle now rising - drop, slight drop.

PC: Oh, the tonsillectomy, she gave me sympathy then.

Commentator: Rise in tone.

LRH: Mm-hm. Now let's get a time you gave some sympathy. Let's get the feeling of sympathy for somebody with a sore throat.

PC: Well, that would be for my mother.

LRH: All right. Let's get the feeling of sympathy. (pause) Get it again. (pause) And again. (pause) And again. (pause) All right, let's pick up the first time in this life you ever gave anybody sympathy and scan all the times you gave somebody sympathy right straight on up to the present time. Get the first one. Tell me when you're there.

PC: I got the first one.

LRH: All right. From there to present time, begin scanning sympathy. (snap)

Commentator: Between these questions the needle has been fluctuating approximately one goint on the scale. As the preclear scans through, the needle fluctuates. Now rising, now falling, but in a one-point variation on the scale.

PC: It keeps reverting back to the sympathy for self.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Not much sympathy for others.

LRH: Mm-hm. Who used to tell you all you did was feel sorry for yourself?

PC: My mother.

LRH: Yeah. Who did you tell it to?

PC: Me.

LRH: Who else did you tell it to? Who have you criticized to this degree?

PC: Oh, that they felt sympathy for themselves?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh, preclears, you know.

LRH: Oh. All right. Let's scan this line. Let's pick up the first time you ever told anybody they were just sorry for themselves and feeling sympathy for themselves.

PC: I never told them, but, you know, the thought was there.

LRH: Well, get the overt thought.

PC: The thought, that's...

LRH: Get the overt thought. Get a first overt thought.

PC: Okay. All right.

LRH: Now, scan all such thoughts forward to present time. (snap)

PC: (pause) Okay.

LRH: Are you on an emotional balance right now? Are you being very carefully balanced emotionally?

PC: No.

Commentator: Needle is dropping one-half point.

LRH: What would happen if you changed emotion?

PC: I changed emotion?

LRH: Yes. What would happen if you changed to another emotion?

PC: Changed to a different emotion?

LRH: Yes.

PC: Nothing. I might shift centers, control centers.

LRH: Well, shift them.

PC: I wouldn't know which way to go.

LRH: Are you on the right side?

PC: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

LRH: Is the right side mad at the left side?

Commentator: Slight drop.

PC: Conflict, there might be, yeah.

LRH: How about shifting to the left side?

PC: Shift to the left side.

LRH: Shift. (pause) This left side been awake lately?

PC: No.

LRH: Is this left side elsewhere?

Commentator: Very slight variation in the needle at this point.

PC: I've got a feeling it might be.

LRH: This left side have another organism it's taking care of?

PC: Yeah, might be. I don't know.

LRH: Might be, yeah. How about shifting center?

PC: Shifting to the center. No.

LRH: What turns on?

PC: Oh, there's a head somatic there.

LRH: You have a head somatic there?

PC: Yeah, on the - right in the center. See, it goes right down the face. You know, center of the face ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... the nose, the place where that pituitary and pineal and so forth is.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, let's catch the bap now right in the middle of the chest. The bap in the chest.

Commentator: Half a point drop.

PC: I get - i get it in the stomach first.

All right. Get it in the stomach. You got it?

PC: Sort of, sort of. Sort of.

LRH: All right. How does the top of your head feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

PC: Oh, that's - it's - it's pain - a somatic there right now.

LRH: All right. How do your knees feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

PC: They shake.

LRH: All right. Let's get that. How do your feet feel at the moment you're getting it in the stomach?

PC: They are sweaty, hot, burning.

LRH: Okay. How do your hands feel at the moment you get it in the stomach ?

Commentator: Four-point rise, then a drop.

PC: Sweaty, nervous and twitching.

Commentator: Now dropping.

LRH: All right. How's the middle of your back feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

Commentator: On this question, point - four-point drop.

PC: It curved in.

LRH: [to audience] Any of you with a cough out there, you might as well do this, too.

[to pc] Curved in?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it wearing out on the stomach? Or is it getting sharper?

PC: It's wearing out some ...

LRH: Or are you letting it do anything?

PC: I'm directing attention to the areas you name.

LRH: Okay. What's happening to the stomach somatic?

PC: It seems less.

LRH: Seems less?

PC: Somewhat less.

LRH: Good. Good. All right, let's get it right here on these two neck cords at the back of the neck. How do they feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

Commentator: Needle has settled down and varying only slightly, approximately at one quarter of a point.

LRH: They move in some direction?

PC: I don't seem to be able to pick those up. Wait a minute, wai - wai - wai ... There's a lot of confusing head pain, that is not localized.

LRH: Was the head shot first?

PC: Got a flash of "yes."

LRH: Is this Facsimile One?

PC: Yep, I should guess. Seems like it's the onlr thing it could be.

LRH: Mm-hm. Are you on a postulate that you mustn't feel it?

PC: Yeah, in connection with the stage, so forth and so on.

Commentator: Five-point drop.

PC: You see, all these somatics will turn on when you get on the stage. Stomach, whap; knees, bang. So they teach you tricks in the theater to ...

LRH: Is that by exhibiting yourself? Or appearing in public, or talking to the public?

PC: Talking to the public. Yeah.

LRH: Talking to the public is very bad, isn't it? Public assembly - mustn't do that.

Commentator: One point - point-and-a-quarter of drop.

PC: Well, you learn tricks in the theater to handle this, you see.

LRH: Yeah. You got these tricks working?

Commentator: Half a point drop.

PC: I tried to - not to have them working for the sake of this interview.

LRH: Uh-huh. Does this interrupt your processing to any degree?

PC: There's one working right now. You see that light right there?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Well, that's a spotlight. You can use the zones of concentration tricks on that. But ...

LRH: Sure. All right. Let's concentrate on the spotlight. What happened to the stomach somatic?

PC: It goes away.

LRH: Immediately! Good. Concentrate on the stomach. (pause)

Now I'll show you a little trick about facsimiles. Tell you, facsimiles have no finite size. Facsimiles are not as big as you are or as small as you are or twice as big as you are or anything of the sort. You can shift them at will. You can actually be any part of any facsimile. You can be a point of concentration in any part of any facsimile. Let's ...

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: ... let's take a time when you have a tooth - well, you can actually move over and - let's have a facsimile of a toothache or something. You could actually move over 100 percent into the middle of that tooth ...

PC: And get the full pain. Yeah, I'ue done that.

LRH: ... and be the ache.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Or you could even go this far: you could even move into one cell of the tooth ...

PC: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can do that.

LRH: ... and get anything that was on that cell and be all of you in the one cell. Very simple, very simple. And as a matter of fact, a method here - it's very interesting. I'm going to show you something that you may find very fascinating. Can you pretend that your skull, your actual skull, is out on - about a yard or two - well, let's say exactly five feet out from you to the right, to the left, back of you and in front of you and above you, so that you're inhabiting the middle of your skull?

PC: Yeah, sure. I can do that.

LRH: All right. And you've got this skull out there at this distance and your head is now ten feet wide and you're in the middle of it.

Commentator: A half-point of fluctuation now and persistent twitching as he asks.

LRH: All right. What gland are you? (snaps)

PC: Pineal. (laughs)

LRH: Okay. Now, let's now receive the full impact of everything hitting the pineal at the same time in Facsimile One.

Commentator: Two-point drop.

PC: With this extended skull I have here?

LRH: Yes, with the extended skull.

PC: Wait a minute. Let me get - it takes a second to get that concept again.

LRH: Yeah, all right, let's get the concept.

PC: There we go. (pause) There's some blockage to - to doing this, to - to feeling that full impact on the pineal up there. I guess it's ...

LRH: All right, Now, let's be just the front couple of cells there - the front cell on the pineal - the one that receives the frontal impact in the middle of all this. Now, all of you be the front cell there, of the pineal that receives the frontal impact on the pineal ...

PC: Okay.

LRH: ... with your skull that much bigger.

PC: Okay. Front cell of the pineal, right?

LRH: Yeah, let's get that full impact on the front cell of the pineal.

PC: (pause) Well, when I try to do that, I get - seem to be getting somatics toward the back of the head rather than the front.

LRH: Yes, isn't that strange?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

Commentator: The needle then reached its highest point of session, has now dropped back down two points.

LRH: All right. Let's be the back cell of the pineal now, with your skull actually ...

Commentator: It's rising...

LRH: ... extended way out there. Let's be the back.

Commentator: One point. One and a quarter points.

LRH: (pause) Let's be that back cell again and get the impact from in back. (pause) What did you get?

PC: Um, guess there's some blockage to being able to do that right there.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It's quite easy in the front, but not so ...

LRH: Where did the pain come in from?

PC: I hit - I got it in back that time. I thought I'd get it in the front, but it didn't, you know, my ...

LRH: Okay. Yeah. Good.

PC: ... it didn't work out.

LRH: Now let's be on the right side of the pineal. Let's be a cell on the right side of the pineal, getting that impact coming in, with your skull way out there, and so forth - that impact.

Commentator: Needle dropped one point and now rising.

LRH: (pause) Got it?

PC: Yeah. I'm - I ...

LRH: You got it? (pause) Uh-huh, you got it.

PC: Yeah, I got it.

LRH: All right.

Commentator: Needle's fluctuating one point.

LRH: There we go. That was the one that was hung up on it. Yeah. Let's get it again. (pause) Now let's shift over and be the left side of the pineal.

PC: Seems a heavy effort seems to be pushing the head this way.

LRH: That's right. Let's shift over and be a cell, now, on the left end of the pineal, getting the side blast from the skull.

PC: I had a great big operation at the age of three to pull my head back up again.

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Yeah. You can see the scars - look right there.

Commentator: Tone dropped two full points and has now come back up.

LRH: (pause) You having a hard time getting that side?

PC: Yeah, I'm getting it a little bit. Harder though.

LRH: Get it again.

Commentator: The tone has now risen; it's gone up a full point.

LRH: All right, let's shift back now. Let's be all the pineal in the middle of this great big skull and let's get the feeling "I want to have it," as the pineal.

Commentator: One-point drop

PC: You want the pain.

LRH: Yeah - no. "I just want this. I want this."

PC: Counter-effort?

LRH: No, yeah - "I want this." That's right.

PC: "I want this counter-effort ..."

LRH: You see, really, the plot is, let's say - you've been swindled, you see? But the point is, you started into this and you say, "I want all this." Now, just say to yourself, "I want this," and you be the pineal. And you say, "Boy, I really want this."

Commentator: Tone has now dropped three points.

LRH: (pause) Get that again. Now, get that postulate: "I really want this." As the gland...

PC: Well, the postulate is "I asked for this."

LRH: Oh, the postulate is "I asked for this" Is that immediately after the first one? (snap)

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: All right, let's get the first one. "I want this."

PC: (pause) I want pain. I want to want it. I want to - well ...

LRH: You know what you want. (snap)

Commentator: Tone is now rising.

LRH: Now, get that postulate just before the first energy impact.

PC: Before. All right.

LRH: Just before the first energy impact. You be the pineal in the middle of this big skull, and just before this first energy impact, the moment before the first energy impact, and you've got a sort of a feeling there? You don't feel bad at all. You feel good - just before the first energy impact.

PC: Rather - rather powerfull.

LRH: Yeah. You feel pretty good, don't you, huh? All right, let's get that first energy impact from all sides simultaneously.

Commentator: Needle dropped a point as it was realised.

PC: ... reluctancy to do that.

LRH: All right. When I slap my hands together, get the energy impact from all sides simultaneously. (clap)

Commentator: The needle drifted up two points and then dropped five points. Now very slowly rising.

LRH: Okay. How are you feeling?

PC: Well, I-I don't know.

Commentator: Drop.

LRH: What's the postulate goes with it?

PC: "I don't know where I am."

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay ...

PC: "I'm lost, but I like it."

LRH: Uh-huh.

Commentator: Needle is wavering at the lower edge of the dial.

LRH: All right. Now expand yourself out to the point where the pineal is in the middle of the skull now.

PC: Out here.

LRH: Mm-hm. (pause) Now get the pineal back in the middle of the skull.

PC: Sort of have to go backwards to do that, you know.

LRH: Yeah, I know.

PC: Did we have to be aware before they could shoot?

LRH: Yeah.

Commentator: Needle's slowly rising, fluctuating, rising, averaging out to a very slow rise.

PC: There's a postulate "I wish I could get back."

LRH: Yeah, "I wish it hadn't happened" sort of thing.

PC: "I wish I could get back, I was so powerful."

LRH: "I asked for this."

PC: Well, that's unfair of you to say that. I mean, I'm trying to get back here, and you throw that one at me. (laugh)

LRH: Well, you've got the facsimile rearranged now so that you got a facsimile of you? Get the facsimile of you in the pineal in the middle of the head - just you.

Commentator: Tone continues to rise.

PC: Oh, I got a plan: I - instead of going back through it, I'11 just snap around in the front.

LRH: That's right. Okay.

PC: 1.1. (audience laughter)

LRH: All right.

& Just put down the cans and have a cigarette.

PC: Okay.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

[Sounds like a different PC]

LRH: You felt an impact? Now, where was the impact felt when I asked you to do that? Was it felt over your body or in your head?

PC: Oh, head - head only.

LRH: It was felt in your - against your head?

PC: Uh...

LRH: Did you ...

PC: ... now you see, now you start talking about it, I get it on top of the head.

LRH: Uh-huh. Did you get it inside as the pineal? Did you get an allover somatic or did you get a...

PC: No, inside as the pineal. Yeah, I would be the pineal inside this skull. Now that - now wait a minute. I was - just my head was doing it inside ... I may have ...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... not done it all ...

LRH: That's right.

PC: ... so I see what I didn't do.

LRH: You see?

PC: I only put my head in the center of the skull ...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... I didn't put my whole body in it.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay, let's move all of you into the pineal now, again.

PC: Oh, that's different.

LRH: Just before it hit, all of you into the pineal. (pause) Move all of you into it.

Commentator: Sensitivity of the needle has been increased. Preclear rising on the scale.

LRH: All right. Now, let's get the first moment...

PC: Well, I'm not before the first moment yet, I don't think.

LRH: Well, let's get the first moment. You didn't like the idea of getting the first moment, I take it?

PC: Mm, that's right.

LRH: Uh-huh. Let's get the first impact of that pineal - now, first impact on the pineal - and you be the pineal.

PC: Wait a - well, I got to get the - take a little minute here and get to be the pineal again.

LRH: All right.

PC: You just don't do this sort of thing in everyday life in the twentieth century. It takes something to do it.

LRH: Well, you're doing it in everyday life now. (pause) You got it?

PC: Almost, the way it's going. (pause) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

LRH: Got it? All right. Get the first rap.

Commentator: Tone is starting to rise.

LRH: Now, is it simultaneous from all sides at once?

PC: Dah-dah-dat-da. I don't know.

Commentator: Tone is starting to rise - dropped.

LRH: Front/back, all top, all around at once, or is it selectively: one first and then the other one?

PC: Might be all at once, I don't know. Might be all at once.

LRH: All right, let's try and find out. I'll snap my fingers and it'll hit. (snap)

Commentator: Needle dropping two points.

LRH: All right. The first one will hit again. (snap)

Commentator: Slow rise of one point.

LRH: Be the pineal there in the center of the head.

PC: Yeah, I got out of it, see? It's - it's hitting the pineal.

Commentator: Continuing to rise.

LRH: (pause) All right. Let's hit it smack again, (snap)

PC: I don't actually want to be the pineal again, Ron.

LRH: Let's get in there.

PC: You see, there's a fear of getting in to be the pineal, you see, because, you get in there, boy, you're going to get hit.

Commentator: The needle is fluctuating about five points on the dial.

LRH: Now, let's get that - let's be the pineal - all of you. Now, first blow. (clap)

PC: Didn't get it.

LRH: No.

Commentator: No reaction.

LRH: First blow again, smack from all sides. (clap)

Commentator: Still no reaction; now a slight drop.

LRH: All right, let's get it now: the first one from all sides simultaneously, and get the drop in tone. Get the feeling of tone drop as that first one hits. (clap)

Commentator: Preclear jumped; the needle at full ...

LRH: All right, let's get it again: the tone drop as the first one hits (clap)

Commentator: Three-point drop, now rising.

LRH: The tone drop as the first one hits again. (clap) Let's be the pineal inside now - inside that skull. Now, let's get hit from all quarters simultaneously. And you tell me where the blows are this next time.

Commentator: Needle is fluctuating widely on the scale as this question's asked.

LRH: All right, the first one is now going to hit. (clap)

Commentator: Preclear jumps; needle drops four points.

PC: Can't particularly tell you where the blows are.

LRH: That's all right. The first one - the first impact now, and it's going to hit again. (clap)

PC: Near - around the back someplace.

LRH: Yep.

PC: Somewhere around the back - neck or someplace around that area.

LRH: All right.

Commentator: Needle going up four points.

LRH: Now, the first one is going to hit again. (clap)

Commentator: Now dropping five points.

LRH: First one's going to hit again. (clap)

Commentator: Preclear is doubling over.

LRH: First one is going to hit again. (clap) (pause)

Commentator: Needle has now swung clear to the left of the scale.

LRH: And again, (clap) (pause) Okay, what's the - get the tone drop now. Is it a tone drop or a tone rise when that first one hits?

PC: Might be a rise. Might be a rise.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Might be a rise.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get that tone change, the tone change as that first one hits, Just before the first one, now you're in the center of the skull, all of you is the pineal. (clap) Okay. You getting more?

Commentator: Preclear jumps and tone drops five points. It is now moving full right.

PC: I think on the emotion ... Seems to be ...

LRH: You got it.

PC: ... up to fear or something like that.

LRH: Yeah, that's right.

PC: God, what a low-toned character.

LRH: All right. But do we get a down-up?

PC: Yeah, yeah, a down-up.

LRH: All right. Let's get that now.

PC: All right.

LRH: Be in the center of the skull and let's get that down-up emotion on the first impact. Okay, when I smack my hands, it'll hit. (clap)

PC: No, I wasn't in the center of the skull.

LRH: Well, let's get in the center there. (pause)

Commentator: Needle has now moved to the full right-hand side of the dial as the preclear attempts to concentrate his attention in the center of the skull.

LRH: [to machine operator] Center the machine.

Commentator: The operator of the machine is now centering the needle.

LRH: [to pc] Okay. You in the center now?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. First one's going to hit again. (clap) Get the curve of the first one. (clap) Get it again. (clap) And again. (clap) And again. (clap) First one, just the first bap. (clap)

Commentator: Needle fluctuates about four points.

LRH: Get the curve that goes with it?

PC: Yeah. It seemed to me I was getting one in the stomach then, too.

LRH: All right. Let's get that first bap, simultaneous bap, and the curve that goes with it. (clap) And again. (clap) Let's be all in the center there now. (clap)

PC: Wait till I get all in the center, here. Wait a minute. Takes a little time to keep in this center.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Trying to keep in there. Seems you can get out of there, you know?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Mm-hm. (pause) Now, is there an effort to get out of there, as the pineal?

PC: Yes, you're right. I'd like to get out of this.

LRH: All right. Let's get the effort to get out of there, now, as the pineal. Let's get the effort to get out - to disconnect. First bap. (clap) Get the effort to get out of there. Again, first bap. (clap) (pause) You got it?

[to machine operator] Center the machine.

PC: There's a lot of confusion. I don't quite know what I'm getting now.

LRH: Well, let's get the effort to get out of there on the first bap, now.

PC: Get out on the first bap now.

LRH: All right, let's get, now, the ARC break. First the affinity break with everything else in the skull.

Commentator: Three-Point drop.

LRH: As the pineal, experience this affinity break with everything in the skull with the first bap. (clap) (pause) Let's do it again. Affinity break.

Commentator: Has risen to three point ...

LRH: Do you find an affinity break there or an affinity change?

PC: Affinity change.

LRH: All right, get an affinity change with the rest of the body, your feeling of an affinity change with the rest of the body.

Commentator: Getting a three-point drop, now rising, fluctuating. It's full off on the left-hand edge of the dial.

LRH: [to machine operator] Center the machine.

Commentator: Tone now rising.

LRH: Get an affinity change again with the rest of the body. Is it up or down?

Commentator: Continuing to rise.

PC: It's difficult to discern.

LRH: All right. Get a communication shift with the rest of the body on the first bap.

Commentator: Three-point drop, rising.

LRH: Get the bap and get the shift.

PC: Mm.

Commentator: Needle continues to rise, now dropping

PC: There seems to be a postulate there to tighten up and to hold the bap in place.

LRH: All right. Let's get this effort to hold it.

Commentator: Slow drop.

PC: So as to dampen its action.

LRH: All right. Let's get the effort to hold it. (pause)

Commentator: The needle's rising.

LRH: Again, get the effort to hold that action. (pause) And again the effort to hold on to the action. As the pineal, now, get the effort to hold on to this bap. Get it coming in and hold on to it. (pause) You getting it?

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: Good. What's it like?

Commentator: A three-point needle fluctuation.

PC: Well, a - a freeze.

LRH: Is it going through it yet? Have you got that effort freed up or is it wearing out as an effort?

PC: It's sort of wearing out, just a little bit.

LRH: All right. Let's just get it rapidly. Bap-hold-bap -hold-bap-hold-baphold-bap-hold, come on.

PC: I'll keep running over it, now I see ...

LRH: One right after the other, bap-bap-bap-bap-bap. Just the first one, repeating, repeating, repeating. The first one repeating and your effort to hold, hold, hold, hold. (pause)

Commentator: Needle just swung - was put off the dial to the left. The machine has been centered. Now the needle starts to rise - three, four, five points; continues to rise to six.

LRH: And you have to hold it good?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it wearing out?

PC: Yeah, it's slowly wearing out.

Commentator: Slight drop, and continuing to rise.

PC: There's more

LRH: Hm? What?

PC: Right now the effort seems to be more coming in, you know, pushing it out.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I mean, the counter-effort is coming in on me more now

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I'm not - i don't seem to be holding it out there so much.

LRH: Mm-hm. What'd you get there?

PC: Longer counter-effort.

LRH: Okay. (pause) All right, bring it in.

Commentator: Very wide fluctuations of the needle, drop and then a rise.

LRH: Get your effort as the pineal to pull it right straight on through. Is it from all sides at once or just from the back?

PC: The back - the back of the neck, the back of the neck.

LRH: All right. Pull it in from the back of the neck.

PC: Pull it in. Pull it in.

LRH: Over and over and over. Pull it in to you.

PC: Counter-effort. Okay.

LRH: Pull the counter-effort in.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating tone rising.

PC: Postulate's "It's easier this way."

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Full-dial drop.

PC: It doesn't seem to be pressing quite so strong now.

LRH: All right. Get your effort to shove it out. Rapidly, one right after the other on the first bap and the effort to shove it out.

Commentator: Tone's starting to rise again, continuing to rise. Now, a slight drop again rising.

PC: By God, I can get that. You know I couldn't get that before?

LRH: That's right.

PC: Uh-huh. Those other efforts were obscuring it.

Commentator: Very wide fluctuation of the needle, almost a full-dial swing.

LRH: Wearing out?

PC: Yeah, little by little it's wearing out.

LRH: All right. Now, let's get the effort to pull it in.

PC: Pull it in?

LRH: Pull it in again.

PC: There's something.

LRH: Some more of that there?

PC: Yeah, there's more of that there.

LRH: Okay. Get it in several times to pull it in.

PC: I'm not trying to bop the machine but I know you're getting...

Commentator: Needle fell full off to the left. Operator of the machine is setting the needle.

LRH: All right. Pull it in again.

PC: Not - don't seem to be there quite so much. It's more "not to resist."

LRH: All right. Push it out. Get the resistance; resist, resist, resist. (horn honking)

PC: Hey, that damned horn sounded like it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Get the effort to resist.

PC: (pause) This makes the somatic very strong just now.

LRH: Oh, you're getting a good somatic on it now?

PC: Yeah, on the resistive effort, there is a somatic on it - on it.

LRH: All right. Is that effort getting stronger? Is your effort getting stronger?

PC: The resistor effort?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: Over again. Over again. Resist it.

PC: Well, that makes a very strong somatic.

Commentator: Needle is fluctuating in a three-point range now.

LRH: Try it again. Throw all of your resistance into it now.

PC: It's on just, I think, one vertebra in the back of the neck. (pause)

LRH: Now how's the effort on it?

PC: It's the - the somatic is lessening.

LRH: Lessening, huh? All right. Try pulling it in again.

PC: Pull it in again?

LRH: Pull it in. (pause) Pull it in again. Rapidly, one right after the other, pull it in.

PC: One right after the other, right. Uuuuuhhh. (mumble) I try - I try to resist it. But the effort to accept it does seem to be a little - little out of the road now and there's this resistor effort that keeps coming in.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, keep trying to pull it in until your effort reverses automatically.

PC: So that I am doing nothing but pushing it out?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Mm. (pause) Yeah.

LRH: Did it reverse?

PC: No. No, but I just got the concept of what you're referring to.

LRH: Oh.

PC: Slow thinking with these facsimiles.

Commentator: Needle has dropped two and a half points and is now rising slowly.

PC: With the - keeping pulling it in like that is wearing the counter-effort out.

LRH: Okay. Pull it in. (pause) Pull it in some more.

PC: About the top of the shoulder blade is ...

LRH: You still on the first one?

PC: Yeah, I'm still picking up the first ...

LRH: Good. You're just doing fine. (pause)

Commentator: Needle continues fluctuating one point.

LRH: Now how's the somatic?

PC: Right there it got a little stronger, and now it's tapering off a little bit

LRH: Mm. All right, resist it.

PC: Resist now. Okay.

LRH: One right after the other, (pause) Hey, you got a good one.

PC: Yeah, you bet.

LRH: Now, let's get a heavy resistance on it.

Commentator: Needle drops two and a half points.

LRH: Is it a lot less than it was?

PC: Yeah, it's less than it was.

LRH: Good. (pause) Still getting good solid resistance on it?

PC: Yeah. Hey, you know there's a tendency to dope off, you know, I've been doping off in front of a - this machine all the time.

Commentator: The needle's dropped about five full points.

PC: But I said that because when I first came up, my awareness of the audience was high, now it's low.

Commentator: The needle has returned to the center of the dial, now continuing to rise.

PC: Oh!

LRH: What happened?

PC: I resisted a little too much.

LRH: You got a real hard one?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Would you say this thing's a quarter worn out? Half worn out? What ?

PC: Oh, I'd say about three-quarters worn out on this one first bap.

LRH: That's all we're interested in at the moment - that one first bap.

PC: Yeah. Now that first bap, that's about three-quarters gone now.

LRH: Okay. Let's pull it in very rapidly, one right after the other. Pull it in.

PC: On the first bap.

LRH: Make it good and solid. Pull it in hard.

PC: I'm getting flattened on it now, Ron.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Now it's just a tendency to dope off (pause) There - there's less counter-effort and more tendency to dope.

LRH: All right. Resist it. Push it out now.

PC: All right, I'm pushing it out.

LRH: Get the sound that goes with it now - sound as it would sound inside the skull.

PC: Must be some sonic shut-off there, or something I can't get through.

LRH: (pause) Got the resistance of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Just resist it a little harder. Is it practically gone?

PC: Yeah, it's - it's going, it's going, it's going.

LRH: Attaboy.

Commentator: The needle continues to fluctuate, approximately one point, and gradually moves up across the dial.

LRH: Now this time as you run it, get the feeling of affinity break that goes with it.

PC: With what? Affinity break with ...

LRH: Well, any affinity change that goes with that bap from the back of the head.

PC: Affinity break with the environment or myself?

LRH: No, affinity break between the pineal and the skull.

PC: Between pineal and the skull. (laugh) My vertebrae always flicker flicker.

Commentator: The needle has now swung full left.

LRH: Mm, okay, All right, get the communication change between the pineal and the skull. (pause)

Commentator: Needle rising slowly.

LRH: Got it?

PC: Sort of.

LRH: Yeah, now you got it. Get it better.

PC: Yeah, I - I got it.

LRH: Good.

PC: I thought of a line from The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran.

[R&D note: The Prophet: a book of twenty-six poetic essays by Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931), LebaneseAmerican philosophical essayist, novelist, mystic poet and artist. Published in 1923, The Pro~het became a best-selling book of popular mysticism, and it has been translated into more than a dozen languages. In one o~ the essays, entitled "On Pain," Gibran wrote: "Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding."]

LRH: Yeah.

PC: "Pain is the breaking of the shell of our understanding."

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Ha-ha! That fits.

Commentator: A quarter up.

PC: In other words, I - I don't like my skull anymore. It just couldn't stand up now. We were running my throat ...

LRH: Mm-hm,

Commentator: Slowly rising.

PC: That's - those are gone now.

LRH: Yeah? Good. Get your feeling of reality break - as the pineal - get your feeling of reality break the second that thing hits you.

PC: Seems to be a postulate: "I don't belong in here."

LRH: Yep. How's the somatic?

PC: Oh, it's - it sort of changed into a - a different kind of a somatic. Now it's better, but I mean, you see, it's - it's not the same as it was. You see, it is different. Oh, oh, hey! Oh, my vertebrae! Straightening up, the back of the neck!

LRH: Yeah?

PC: It's amazing? (laugh)

LRH: Yeah?

PC: (laughs) It's a big relief to me, because all my life I've held it like that. (laughs) Real good.

LRH: Have you been the pineal?

PC: Yeah. You mean this life or - I didn't quite get the gist of the question.

LRH: This life, have you been the pineal to a large extent?

PC: Yes, I have.

LRH: Mm-hm. Yep.

Commentator: The needle has dropped down. It's now rising.

LRH: Okay.

PC: You already knew this, then?

LRH: Sure. Are there many more baps left on that, the somatic, and so forth?

PC: Many more baps?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: There may be. I - maybe that's an avoid - maybe. (laughing)

LRH: Well, is it an avoidance?

Commentator: Slight drop here.

PC: No, I don't think there are very many more.

LRH: Well, can't you pick up the remainder of these yourself ...

PC: All right.

LRH: ... just for the purpose of demonstration?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Uh-huh, uh-huh.

LRH: All right. How about scanning out the session?

PC: Scan out the session?

LRH: Yeah, scan out this whole session here...

PC: Okay.

LRH: ... ever since you came up and I started talking to you.

PC: Okay.

Commentator: Needle dropped two points, is now rising. Slight fluctuation, continuing to rise, (pause) hovering about mid-dial. Now a drop of one point, fluctuating back to center, and a drop of one point, fully recovered to the middle of the dial.

LRH: Just give it a lick and a promise.

Commentator: Slowly rising.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You're not hitting those hand pops, are you?

PC: No, I...

LRH: Did you hit them?

PC: What? What?

LRH: When I slapped my hands?

PC: No, I'm not hitting those.

LRH: Uh-huh. How about you straightwiring that?

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Thanks.

PC: Okay.

LRH: [to machine operator] Was there any rise in tone apparent on this machine, or any rise or drop?

Machine Operator: All the way through, all the way through.

LRH: Continuous rise on the scale.

Machine Operator: Mm-hm.

LRH: This is an example, then, of Effort Processing as used in the reduction of heavy Facsimile One.