QUESTIONS AND HAVINGNESS PROBE

23 May 1962

We had an auditor given a list of five or six end rudiment-type Zero Questions to clean and every one of them was wildly alive at the end of the so-called session. Of course, the auditor is off auditing until he knows something about this.

LRH: We are going to give you a proper session, and we're going to do some fish and fumble there.

We had this trouble last September very bad. And that trouble consisted of people not thinking it was important to clean an E-Meter or people skimping over it or people just not able to read an E-Meter. And we had all this trouble in September, and there are a whole bunch of lectures on that subject as of about that period — having to lay it in with branding irons.

PC: (chuckles) Okay.

Now, we're going to lay it in with branding irons this time. We're going to start the thing this way: We're going to get rudiments checked by the auditors who are auditing, at the end of pcs' sessions; and then I'm going to ask the Auditing Supervisor to get one or two of those preclears after that auditing period and check their rudiments; and if their rudiments are found out, we put that auditor off auditing. I think that's only fair. I don't think you have a sufficient — that is, some of you, certainly — don't have a sufficient respect for the fact that you have to be able to read an E-Meter, that the E-Meter reads the pc and that it has to be cleaned up on a question.

LRH: I told you just a moment ago, we're going to look for this tick-tick, and we're going to see if we can find this tick-tick, and find out what it was, because that had me mighty curious when I had you on the line.

And frankly, I'm very happy to find out about this. I'm more than delighted, because I've been looking at some of the gray faces that are creeping up and down the hall and let me tell you, I knew there was something awry here. And I've been nattering about it and talking with Mary Sue about it, and your Instructors, for some weeks now. And, finally, we find out what it is: it's one more plague of not being able to read the E-Meter. Now, that's quite what it is. It's just a gross auditing error.

PC: That was the one on uh . . . on that Prepcheck chain I went down.

The grossest auditing error there is, is no auditing And next to that in rank is the inability to read the E-Meter. There are auditors which actually will believe the preclear but not the meter; they think the meter is registering something else.

LRH: Yeah.

Now, we've got to reverse that thing You never believe the pc; you only believe the meter. We've got to get these things clean, and we'll get some auditing results going.

PC: Hm.

Now, these results have been very poor in the last few weeks and I have been blowing my brains out trying to figure out why. And now I find out why: you're not reading E-Meters.

LRH: That's right. That was an interesting thing I actually did narrow it down to just that, and since then.

So there's a push on. And the demonstration tonight is — well, first and foremost — just so an Instructor in each room can call out the meter reads for you. And I want you to notice that there is some coordination between the question I ask and the pc and the meter. I know it's very hard to connect these, but there actually is a coordination. And you don't leave that pc, you understand, with that acting, and that's it. That's it. That is auditing. I mean, if I could lay it with a branding iron I would. But that is what you are doing That is your gross auditing error. This is why, when you list, you are not blowing people to Clear. This is the whole story. The pcs are not in-session. The listing does no good because the rudiments are out. I mean, the whole chain of evil proceeds from that particular point.

PC: Hm.

Now, actually, the first thing I'm going to do here is simply check some old What questions. Now, the story of this particular pc is that some Prepchecking was set up and then I noticed the pc wasn't looking so good. So I had another auditor check all the What questions in order to make sure they were flat. Now, it was reported to me that all these What questions that the pc had been asked were flat. And now, I haven't gone over this, but in a nasty, evil, suspicious mood — you know, all Rons have two faces; one is good and the other is horrible; you realize that — in that nasty, suspicious mood, we are simply going to check this. This is not going to take very long.

LRH: So we'll see if it's still there.

And then, after that, I'm going to give you a demonstration of fish and fumble. That's not even a technical term, but I'm just going to show you how you fish and fumble around — what you actually can do with an E-Meter. I'm not even going to give you a very stylized demonstration of a session; it's just what you can do with an E-Meter.

PC: Great.

E-Meters work! Every once in a while people don't think they work. And when that happens, pcs look grim and gray, and nobody goes Clear. It happened last September. It's happened again here now.

LRH: Okay. (PC yawns)

So, okay. Now, I'm in no militant mood, particularly, about this. I simply want to drive it home with cannonballs. Okay?

Is it all right with you if I begin this session now?

All right. Here we go. Have you got the right folder here?PC: It's me.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yes, yes, yes. This is the right folder. All right. All right. Sit down. Now, don't faint and don't drop through the floor, Smokey, because . . . Push it forward.

LRH: Good. START OF SESSION.

PC: How did you guess?

Has the session started for you?

LRH: Pick up the cans. Now don't worry about it, because there's nothing very bad going to happen, it's not going to take very long, and I'm not going to reveal everything

PC: Yeah. Not really.

PC: Well, it'd be all right.

LRH: All right. All right. Here it is.

LRH: Yes, it would be, wouldn't it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. He said the combination of the stairs and uh . . . Gosh! Are you sure you want me?

LRH: START OF SESSION.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Okay.

PC: You know?

LRH: Okay. What goals would you like to set for this session?

LRH: You didn't believe it.

PC: Uh to be able to get to sleep easier at night. I've been having trouble getting to sleep...

PC: No!

LRH: All right.

LRH: oh, I see.

PC: ... the last few nights. And to uh ...

PC: I thought you wanted Wing You know, sometimes you get our names mixed up.

LRH: Good.

LRH: Yeah, I know I do. That's because he's the fire-eater, you know? I mean, he's the guy that goes to fires.

PC: to stay in present tune when I'm studying. When I sort of run out of ... get out of present time, find myself reading over a paragraph of a bulletin or something like that without reading it.

PC: Yeah. Eat 'em up.

LRH: Okay. All right. Any other goals?

LRH: Anyhow, honey, I'm not going to do this in Model Session. All I'm going to do here is simply check these What questions. And they are not very revelatory, but I want to see a few things are . . .

PC: That ought to do it.

PC: Well, they're funny. There's one on there that's really a ball.

LRH: All right. Got an ARC break there? All right, thank you. Any goals you'd like to set for life or livingness?

LRH: All right.

PC: I'd like to - well, I have a goal: it's - it's ... it's an imp - almost impossible goal, but maybe it's possible, you know?

PC: Wait till you see it.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: Now, your . . . Well, I'll tell you the history of this.

PC: So get Class II by (chuckles) the end of the month, or by the end of this period (LRH chuckles) But, you know, it's uh ... getting pretty close there.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Anything else?

LRH: I looked at you many weeks ago and I said, "She isn't doing so good." you see?

PC: I'd like to be auditing next week. Start auditing.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: so I said, "Who's been prepchecking her?" and so forth. And then I had an auditor recheck all these What questions . . .

PC: Champing at the bit. I want to - like those - a little like those commandos who want to, you know, get out. (laughs)

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: (laughs) All right. Okay, Fred. Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. All right. Now, let's see. What process was working on you? It was Touch, wasn't it?

LRH: . . . just to make sure they were flat, you see? And then I took a look at you after he'd done so, and he said they were all flat.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans. Thank you. Put the cans down. All right. We're going to run a little bit of Touch here. All right. Touch that table. Thank you Touch that wood.

LRH: See, he said they were all flat. Yeah. I don't believe it.

Thank you. Touch that ash tray. Thank you. (PC sighs) Touch that chair. Thank you.

PC: Well, I didn't.

Touch those cans. Good. Give them a squeeze. Beg your pardon. (brief pause) Squeeze 'em. All right. Squeeze 'em. Hey, that's a difference! All right, thank you.

LRH: See, I just think he wasn't reading the E-Meter.

All right. That's it. Now ... check this on the meter. Look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. Thank you. Relatively clean.

PC: Hm.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Now, that's beside the point. But let's get back here. Here's your old CCH sessions — rattlety-bang of paper.

LRH: Just a little slowdown; doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Feel better?

PC: Yeah. They're fun.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. You had a lot of CCHs. Now . . .

LRH: Hey, what do you know? (LRH and PC laugh) That was fast enough, wasn't it? All right.

PC: Wonder if that reads a heartbeat.

Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? Thank you. That's clean.

LRH: We're just — I'm just examining your folder here, honey.

Since the last time I audited you ... (LRH and PC laugh)

PC: Okay.

PC: A lot of water's gone under the bridge. (LRH and PC laugh)

LRH: There we are. And I think here is this horrible one that you probably . . . so forth.

LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding? I have an action there.

PC: That one.

PC: Well I-I uh I uh ... I got an overt against Robin, I guess.

LRH: Not very bad.

LRH: Okay.

PC: It's not so horrible. It's just funny.

PC: I... (laughs) I thought that was pretty clean. Anyway, when I ... I left the ... I left that post, I ... I wrote a whole series of notes ...

LRH: All right, honey.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: ... explaining the job uh ... to ever - whoever. I - I addressed them to Franchise Secretary from Fred.

LRH: Now, all I'm going to do is just check these questions. Okay?

LRH: Hm.

PC: All right.

PC: Whole series of notes explaining the job, explaining various aspects, various, you know, the various things I was working on. And uh ... I - a ... wasn't exactly sure Robin was going to come on the post, but I was pretty sure. And uh ... but I thought it would be kind of funny if I... you know, it would be interesting, if I...

LRH: All right.

LRH: (chuckles) All right.

PC: You mean I'm on there?

PC: ... wrote these notes and told Robin how to do the job. But anyway, it was kind of an overt on Robin.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Okay. (chuckling)

PC: I'm on there?

PC: (chuckles) It was.

LRH: You're on there?

LRH: All right. Let me check that on the meter.

PC: Yeah, I am on the meter over there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh, yeah. Your meter is functioning fine. Perfect.

LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything you are withholding? Got a little tick there.

PC: That's good.

PC: Well, it's um ... I uh ...

LRH: Yeah. Working fine.

LRH: That's it.

PC: Terrible? Does it show my heartbeat? It's beating fast.

PC: ... this friend of mine, uh ... It's about this - this ... Remember about ... suspicions about that key and about...

LRH: Well, I'm not even going to try to put you at ease particularly.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: No. I'm fine.

PC: ... this friend? This is about that key ... I never got in touch with him. I wrote him a letter...

LRH: All right.

LRH: Hm-mm

PC: Doing all right by my window.

PC: ... saying, "Oh, you know, gee, I haven't seen you, and give me a call." I got the letter back uh ... no - n-n-not at - not at that address.

LRH: The question is, "What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom?" All right. Let me check that. What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. What about catching catfish?

LRH: All right.

PC: You're reading my mind.

PC: You know? And I was, uh ... you know, wondering what .. what happened.

LRH: No, I'm just trying to see what the needle pattern is here. What about catching catfish? What about catching catfish? What about . . . I'm banging on something here, honey; I won't be able to check these things out. Tell me what it is.

Something's - something's wrong there, you see?

PC: Well, I just told you. My heart was beating fast.

LRH: Hm-mm.

LRH: All right.

PC: ... have to check in ...

PC: Oh.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: I didn't get that, huh? Was that it?

PC: because, (a) he wouldn't move without letting me know his new address.

PC: Well, I thought you did.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: All right. Now, let me ask this test question again. What about catching catfish? You're getting a little bippity-bop here on the heart all right.

PC: Um ... (b) I might have wrote it to the wrong address ...

PC: Nm-hm. Well, is it — is it my eyes too?

LRH: Hm.

LRH: But it's also my voice. No, no, no, it's not your eyes. What about your eyes? Go ahead, swing your eyeballs from the left to the right. Swing . . .

PC: but I... I... I don't think so.

PC: Really?

LRH: Mm-mm.

LRH: your eyeballs from the left to the right. All right. Swing them from the left to the right. Getting no significant read here. But there is something reading on this meter.

PC: And something's wrong there. I have to look into that.

PC: Oh.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me check this on the meter.

LRH: There is something . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: It must be me.

LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding?

LRH: ... reading on here. There must be some kind of a — I don't think it's you. Let's . . .

■ Little tick, much smaller. There. That's it.

PC: I think it was checked up all right.

■ PC: I had a party at my place, and some girls over, and kind of a wild party

LRH: Let me check this.

■ LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: Um, um-um.

■ PC: I told you about that, I think ...

LRH: Squeeze your cans.

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: All right.

■ PC: probably the group, you know ...

LRH: Squeeze your cans. No, it's just your havingness is out the bottom.

■ LRH: Okay.

PC: Yeah, that's true. I know.

■ PC: but not about that party.

LRH: All right. What's your Havingness Process?

■ LRH: All right. Let me check that on the meter. Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding?

PC: Oh saints, I don't know. The last one that was used was "touching things."

That's cleaner than a wolf's tooth. Very good? PC: Yep.

LRH: Huh? Touching things.

LRH: All right. Do you have a present time problem? Thank you. That's clean. Okay.

PC: Touch . . . Yeah. Hm-hm.

Now, I told you about fishing around here.

LRH: Anybody ever run reach on you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: No.

LRH: And we're going to do some fish and fumble ...

LRH: Hm? Well, let's see if it works. All right. Squeeze the cans. Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Oh, I can reach that chair.

LRH: ... see where we wind up here. And mysteriously, I have no tick-tick. (PC and LRH laugh)

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Well ...

PC: Oh, I could reach that couch.

LRH: Obviously, you're ... What were you going to say?

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: I don't know. It was on that chain and - it was on that past life, or - uh ... connected up with it.

PC: I could reach that picture.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Maybe if I found that again and I could - I don't know if it was that or - or something else, or what.

PC: The curtain.

LRH: Well, that, you know, was -

LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. That's doing exactly nothing

PC: It was something - it was something about messing with little girls ...

PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: All right. Okay?

PC: ... you know?

PC: Okay.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Put your cans down.

PC: Something ... messing with little girls ...

PC: All right.

LRH: There it is. There it is. There it is.

LRH: All right. Thank you. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. All right. Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Just hold them loosely.

PC: Yeah. (laughs)

PC: Okay.

LRH: Ha-ha, ha-ha!

LRH: That's all right.

PC: Uhh.

PC: They do kind of . . . Oh, I guess I´m big.

LRH: All right. Well, we didn't have to fish very long there, did we?

LRH: All right.

PC: (laughs) No.

PC: There, now.

LRH: Something about messing with little girls.

LRH: Squeeze the cans. All right. Apparently — may be doing something

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And just like that, we get it back. All right, let me check it now.

LRH: Put the cans down. All right. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair. Good. All right. Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze them. All right. Hold them down in your lap . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay? What about messing with little girls? Well, that isn't quite the tick tick.

LRH: . . . just like you were before.

PC: No.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Now, let me see if we can get it just a little closer than that.

LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans. Okay. That's not your Havingness Process either.

■ There it is. What did you just think of?

PC: Well, really, one hasn't been found on me.

■ PC: Dang! I-I-I just look - kind of looked at a little something there, and kind of looked away. I can't - you know, sort of a hunk of something, you know?

LRH: You have never had a Havingness Process found?

■ LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

PC: No. Sometimes "Point out something' works fairly fine. Sometimes "Look around here and find something you could have."

■ PC: One of those gray hunks of something that don't have any definite ...

LRH: Well, what's the variation?

■ LRH: That's right. There it is again.

PC: Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.

■ PC: I (laughs) It looks like a - a rocket ship nose, or something, or ... or a bomb nose, or ...

LRH: Have you ever invalidated a Havingness Process?

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: Uh-uh. Oh, I like them.

■ PC: Is that it, or...

LRH: Hm? All right.

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: Oh, there was one I didn't like.

■ PC: ... or not? I ...

LRH: What one?

■ LRH: Well, let me check this over again. What about messing with little girls? Ahh, there's a tiny little slowdown there.

PC: Uh — "Something you could confront."

■ PC: I looked at that thing again, when you mentioned it.

LRH: Hm?

■ LRH: Something here about messing with little girls in the nose of a rocket ship?

PC: "Something you would rather not confront. Something you could confront."

■ PC: I ... that's what the - I looked at that, and there was something connected there or someplace; I don't know what.

LRH: All right. Good. Thank you.

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: I invalidated that one.

■ PC: But you see, it ...

LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you. All right. Here's the first command. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: That camera.

■ PC: It s a ... it's kind of a, you know, what's happening here? You know? How come - how come this connects up like this or something like that, you know?

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

■ LRH: All right. Well, I'll find it.

PC: That thing up there in the corner.

■ PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: I'll find it. Now, there it is! Who are you looking at?

PC: The fireplace.

■ PC: Well, it... that was th-th-those two little girls that uh ... we talked about in that Prepchecking session that I ...

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

■ LRH: That's it.

PC: Uh — the binoculars.

■ PC: ... those two twins.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: That uh — sign on the door.

■ PC: They were either twins or - or sisters that I messed with ...

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

■ LRH: Uh-uh.

PC: Those leases.

■ PC: in... back in (clears throat) early early days in my life.

LRH: All right. Okay. Squeeze the cans. Okay. Now, you've got a trick squeeze here.

■ LRH: That's it.

PC: Mm.

■ PC: I was ten years old, or so. And so ...

LRH: Now, you just put them down in your lap . . .

■ LRH: And we were going down that chain.

PC: Mm.

■ PC: Yeah. Yeah. We kind of (clears throat) went past them, and ...

LRH: ... the back of your hands in your lap.

■ LRH: All right. Let me see if I can get a "What" question that's right into the middle there.

PC: Nm-hm.

■ PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Now squeeze them.

■ LRH: What about sexually interfering with little girls? That's it.

PC: Okay?

■ PC: Is it?

LRH: Okay. Yeah. But you know, all I want is an even pressure down and up.

■ LRH: I get the - I get a tinier, smaller read.

PC: Hm-hm.

■ PC: Yeah.

LRH: You know? Just let them go. Do it again. Mm-hm.

■ LRH: I might be able to vary that just a little bit. There it is. What's that?

PC: This okay? Hm?

■ PC: That's a picture of sexually interfering with a little girl.

LRH:Now, just hold them naturally.

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm. My hands are kind of hot.

■ PC: I don't think it's this lifetime. I mean, I don't know ...

LRH: That's all right. Doesn't matter.

■ LRH: Well, that doesn't matter.

PC: Okay.

■ PC: Yeah. That's that sex pervert ...

LRH: Now, squeeze the cans. All right. Let them go. All right, that's fine. All right. What do you think about this process?

■ LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Well, it's all right.

■ PC: probably a sex pervert uh ... thing. But that's tied up with that other... that uh ...

LRH: Well, are you just saying that? What do you think about this process?

■ Well, it ... I - I think it's the same little girl as in that other picture I've had so many years, I looked at.

PC: Well, I really could confront any of them, you see, that I see.

■ LRH: What was that? The uh ...

LRH: Oh, I see. The whole thing is a bad answer, is that right?

■ PC: The one of having a little girl with panties down, and with a - switching her.

PC: Yeah. It is.

■ LRH: Hm.

LRH: I get it. All right. In other words, you could confront any of it?

■ PC: And seeing - this picture is seeing an uh ... an older man do this. Watching it from the bushes, something like this ...

PC: Yeah.

■ LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. And yet you're having to answer, so there's some missed auditing commands in that Havingness Process. Is that correct?

■ PC: in - in the yard of this uh ...

PC: It's possible, yeah.

■ LRH: Right.

LRH: Huh?

■ PC: ... place with ...

PC: Because, really . . .

■ LRH: Right.

LRH: Possible?

■ PC: ... a stream going by or something like that.

PC: ...I could. Yes!

■ LRH: Right.

LRH: Well, is . . .

■ PC: I've had that picture so long, you know ?

PC: All right, it is.

■ LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: ... is it?

■ PC: And this I'm not sure if it's the same girl or not.

PC: Yes!

■ LRH: All right. Now, hold your cans still there and let me check it.

LRH: All right. Go on.

■ PC: Yeah.

PC: Because I could confront the things that I say I'd rather not. It's . . .

■ LRH: Let me check another little What here.

LRH: So you just had to make up answers for the "rather not"?

■ PC: Hm.

PC: Hm-hm. Hm-hm.

■ LRH: What about punishing little girls? Clean.

LRH: Well, that's very interesting. Very interesting

■ PC: Hm.

PC: Mm.

■ LRH: What about sexually interfering with little girls? It's not giving me the same read as the double tick.

LRH: When was that?

■ PC: Yeah.

PC: Wow, it must have been in January.

■ LRH: There what's that?

LRH: Quite a while ago?

■ PC: Switching little girls.

PC: Yeah. Quite a while ago. When I first got here. About . . .

■ LRH: What about switching little girls? That isn't it.

LRH: All right. Okay.

■ PC: Beating little girls? (PC laughs)

PC: ... the second or third week, I think.

■ LRH: Beating little girls?

LRH: Good. All right.

■ PC: Beating or eating?

PC: Hm-hm.

■ LRH: Eating?

LRH: Now, let's proceed with just the one side of it.

■ PC: Eating little girls.

PC: All right.

■ LRH: All right. What about eating little girls? Well, I get a something of a reaction there. What about eating little girls? It cleaned.

LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ PC: Hm.

PC: That wall.

■ LRH: All right. Let me try another What question here. What about stealing little girls? (pause; PC chuckles)

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ I get an action here.

PC: You.

■ PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: You see, the reason I'm putting that together isn't a shot in the dark. You were talking about taking over a body before this lifetime.

PC: Mirror.

■ PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: See, and I was ...

PC: That chair.

■ PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: ... getting a reaction on that. Now, what about taking over little girls? I don't get the same reaction.

PC: That camera.

■ PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: What about stealing little girls? I get an instant read on that. What about stealing little girls? It's not the same instant read I'm fishing for, however.

PC: Curtain.

■ PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: There it is. There it is. It was just for a minute and we went by it.

PC: The ashtray.

■ PC: Boy that's awfully fast, you know? Uh ... it's uh ... it's uh ... (clears throat; pause) Boy, it's something that's really occluded.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

PC: That thing.

■ PC: Uh - ha! No all around it but I can't ...

LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans. All right. Now, something very funny happens here . . .

■ LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

■ PC: ... can't get to it.

LRH: ...is the needle only comes halfway back. So, do you continue to grip the cans afterwards?

■ LRH: All right.

PC: Well, now this is . . . My hands kind of stick, you know? They're long and uh — the hands are a little bit wet . . .

■ PC: But I keep popping - keep thinking about - on the same line, I keep thinking about - on the same line, I don't know if it's just jazz chat or what. But some incident I ran - some past life incident, way back.

LRH: All right.

■ LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: ... and so they cling.

■ PC: Spaceship - just wound up taking over the ... (clears throat) Supposed to burn off this planet and save one city and rape the city, or something like that.

LRH: All right.

■ LRH: What's this now? Take a ...

PC: See?

■ PC: I ... I ... I ...

LRH: I see.

■ LRH: ... a burner ...

PC: And...

■ PC: Yeah, to burn off the whole planet.

LRH: I get it.

■ LRH: Oh, you burnt off a whole - I got it.

PC: And they stay.

■ PC: Yeah, I was supposed to blow - burn the whole thing off, but I saved one city, and I raped the city before I burned it off.

LRH: Uh-huh.

■ LRH: Yeah.

PC: You see, they don't uh — uh — be like they were before.

■ PC: And part of that was it - at least as I came up in - I don't know, it - hell, it picked them - I mean, it's just not ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

■ LRH: Well, now there - there's the double tick.

PC: They really don't.

■ PC: Yeah? It's - I take - took all the - asked all the five-year-old girls in the - all the five-year-old blond little girls in the town into the palace, and raped them all.

LRH: All right. Put them in your lap. Now, just lay them just lay them down in your lap.

■ LRH: Hm-hm. We're getting the tick-tick.

PC: Okay.

■ PC: Yeah. Nuh!

LRH: All right. Good enough. Squeeze them. Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: We did.

PC: Uh — that thing, whatever it is.

■ PC: (pause) And uh . . then ... did that and my - I ordered my men, or my men and I raped - raped all these little girls ...

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: Mm-m. There's your tick-tick.

PC: Uh — the whole line of shelves there.

■ PC: ... five-year-old girls. And uh ... then afterward, we burned the city off.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

■ LRH: All right. Let's see if I can make up a "What" here.

PC: Uh — the top of that uh — curtain.

■ PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Squeeze the cans. All right. That is reducing the amount of squeeze.

■ LRH: What about raping a city? All right. What about raping little girls? What about raping little girls?

PC: Hm. Really?

No. What about that auditing session? What about that auditing session that you ran that in? That's it. There's a latent on that.

LRH: Okay?

PC: Hm-hm

PC: I feel better.

LRH: All right. What auditor was that?

LRH: Yeah, I know you probably do.

PC: Think it was Stan.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Who?

LRH: But that's basically because you got an invalidation off, huh? Isn't it? Or is it?

PC: Stan Stromfeld

PC: Mm.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: What is it?

PC: Think it was him. Must have been him.

PC: Probably.

LRH: Was it? I don't get a reaction here.

LRH: Yeah. Do you feel better about that?

PC: No?

PC: Yeah. Because I hadn't said that to anyone.

LRH: Was it Stan Stromfeld that ran that? I don't get any reaction on that.

LRH: All right. Good. Now let's try this other one.

PC: I'll be darned.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Somebody earlier than that?

LRH: The one I started with originally.

PC: Janine? No. Unless it was New York. Oh, maybe it was Doris. Marge?

PC: All right.

Damn. I don - I can't remember ...

LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: All right. Let's put it together here.

PC: The couch.

PC: ... who it was. Raping ... hm ... Past lives and ...

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: There - you got the - there's the ghost of a tick.

PC: That door.

PC: Denise?

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: Yeah. (long pause) There it is. Microscopically smaller.

PC: The venetian blinds.

PC: Yeah, I know it. You ... Something there.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: I just want to know what auditor it was.

PC: The telephone.

PC: I'm ... I'm not sure. You know? I mean, I-I-I don't really uh ... get anything.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

LRH: All right. Well, let me help you out, may I?

PC: Uh — folder.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Squeeze the cans. All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you?

LRH: All right. Was it a girl auditor? Was it a male auditor? Male auditor.

PC: No.

PC: Hm-hn.

LRH: Ah, what did you just think of though?

LRH: Did it happen in the United States? Did it happen in Paris? All right, did it happen in Paris?

PC: I Just thought, my God, could he have?

Now I've got a double tick.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: Hm.

PC: But I think I've poured out all my . . .

LRH: Who are you thinking about? Happening in Paris?

LRH: Think you got all that taped, huh?

PC: Vincent? Mario? Maybe it was Jack Campbell.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Was it Jack Campbell?

LRH: All right. All right. Now, this needle has become quite quiet compared to what it was. But it seems to me just a little sticky.

PC: Maybe it was.

PC: Oh. My goodness.

LRH: All right. Was that auditor Jack Campbell?

LRH: But it's become quite quiet.

PC: Yeah, I guess it was.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: There's something here about it now.

LRH: Now, have you become upset about anything?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Well, I'm always upset.

LRH: I'm getting.

LRH: Well, have you become upset about anything in the last minute or two?

PC: Yeah, I guess it was. 'Cause - he-he-he he ran me on RT-3, think it was - OT-3.

PC: Oh, no. Don't think so.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: What do you mean, you're always upset? Go on, finish what you were telling me.

PC: And it kind of went way back ...

PC: Well — well, you see, this is on TE And I — I feel really upset about it. But I feel better about it now. But, wow!

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: It upset you?

PC: To a lot of stuff

PC: Yes!

LRH: Now we're getting a double tick here.

LRH: All right. All right. Has anything bitten yet? Anything bitten you?

PC: Past life stuff. Yeah. There was that.

PC: You mean here?

LRH: All right. Do you remember this now?

LRH: The TV camera suddenly blown a fuse?

PC: Yeah, yeah.

PC: Not a thing. That's — that's what's amazing.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Okay. Well, go on now. you want to say anything more about that? How about it?

PC: Yeah

PC: No. It — uh — it just doesn't seem like it was.

LRH: Okay. And ... now, did Jack Campbell miss a withhold on you?

LRH: Doesn't seem so bad.

PC: (laughs) Undoubtedly! No doubt. (still laughing)

PC: Uh — I seem — uh-uh.

LRH: All right.

LRH: What did you think might happen?

PC: Yeah, I think he did. (laughing)

PC: Well, you know, it looks different from — when you're here than it does down there.

LRH: All right. All right. Okay. Let me check that on the meter. Did Jack Campbell miss a withhold - on you? I get a reaction.

LRH: Doesn't it!

PC: (laughing) Yeah.

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. Now ...

LRH: Oh, I see. Maybe you're running out some of the stuff that was . . .

PC: It - it's like saying, did Jack Campbell ever audit you? You know, I mean, it's like the same question. (laughs; LRH laughs) In fact, it was - it was funny.

PC: Uh — it's possible.

LRH: Now, we're taking off from that as a Zero question.

LRH: . . . left.

PC: All right. (laughing) Ooh. (laughs; coughs)

PC: Oh, like I would — oh, like I was afraid that you were going to have me up here last week.

LRH: (chuckles) All right.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: There must be something there, uh? Line charge? (laughs) or something.

PC: I breathed a sigh of relief I didn't even think of it this week.

LRH: Okay. Now let me check out a possible One.

LRH: All right. You had a surprise.

PC: All right. (laughing)

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. All right. What did you successfully hide from Jack Campbell? PC: (chuckles)

LRH: All right. Put your cans there in your lap.

LRH: All right, let me check that. Now let me check another one. What have you done to Jack Campbell? Well we're going to take that first.

PC: In...

PC: Yeah, it would be a good idea, (laughs) I think.

LRH: Yeah. Just — don't — just hold them with your . . .

LRH: Rightly or wrongly, we will take that first, because it'll flatten rather rapidly.

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: . . . backs of your hands down. All right. Now, squeeze the cans. All right. We apparently are . . . Do it again. Squeeze the cans. There's something real fluky here — what's happening I don't quite know what's going on, because this is not a proper can squeeze.

LRH: All right. We will test that now. We know that you have withheld from him.

PC: Uh-uh.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: It doesn't release. It simply falls and that's it.

LRH: All right. Would that be doing something to him?

PC: Well, my hands do stick to the cans.

PC: The action of withholding from him?

LRH: Well now, are you giving a can squeeze because more skin touches the can? Bring your hands up here on the table. Let's see . . .

LRH: Yeah, we actually are wrong here in phrasing this What question ...

PC: Yes, I guess.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: . . . what this is all about. Now, is that can fitted snugly down there?

LRH: ... but I'm just testing this thing. Is there a specific overt?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Uh ...

LRH: Huh?

LRH: I get a tick.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah. It - it's a kind of a - a specific overt, many times, in a sense, you know?

LRH: Now, I don't want more palm against the can. I just want . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Oh, it's nice and fitting.

PC: Uh well, the first overt, really, is uh ... I considered that kind of something was not quite right, or I didn't quite ... Well, when I first took the Communication Course in Paris, this ...

LRH: Why don't you just squeeze it between there and there. Now, we're going — I'm going to squeeze it for you.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Oh, there.

PC: You know, in Scientology - the Scientology Communication Course - you take the Communication Course.

LRH: Oh, there!

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

PC: I didn't have the money for the course, and I told him that ... oh, I was - I ... I knew he liked me.

LRH:Yes, there's something going on here. All right. There's no can squeeze there at all. You're just pushing more . . . Yes. You were just pushing more — I suppose that was invisible on the meter, but . . . Go on, squeeze it between there and there like I showed you. Well, how do you like . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: I didn't feel the can squeeze.

PC: All right, I knew he and Gernie liked me, I knew they were interested in me, they liked my work in the theater, blah-blah-blah.

LRH:Yeah, so that's it. But you're — what you were doing before was wrapping more hand around the can.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Hm. Could be.

PC: And so I said, "Well, I ... I uh... well, I - I'm . . . Gee, I'd like to take this course, Jack, but I - you know, I can't pay for it. Don't have money."

LRH: Yeah. Well, then, it wasn't releasing

LRH: Hm.

PC: No. It just stayed.

PC: Like that. Now, I might have been able to scrape the money up if I had really - you know. You know, if he'd said, "Well, no, you go after the money and come and take the course."

LRH:That's all right. But that's because the only fall we were getting on you was because more skin is touching the can. Not because of . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: I'm a terrible — uh — I'm a terrible havingness case.

PC: But he said - I don't have the money. I - I can't take this .. and he said, "All right.

LRH:Hm? Yes. This havingness thing is fascinating here.

It's all right," he said, "We - we want you to get the course. You can pay me later." Ah ... I said, "Fine."

PC: Mm! Fascinates me, too.

LRH: Well, tell me this now. Good. Tell me this now: Was that - the question were on is doing something to him. Now, what specifically did you do to him?

LRH: Well, what goes on here?

PC: I kind of conned him into ... I conned him into giving me the course for nothing. You know?

PC: Low havingness perhaps.

LRH: All right. Good. You conned him into it.

LRH: Yes! This I will agree with.

PC: Yeah. After... yeah ...

PC: Mm-mm.

LRH: All right

LRH: But what's that?

PC: ... a fashion.

PC: Well, now . . .

LRH: That's it. All right.

LRH: What's your idea of this? Go ahead and tell me. Go on.

Now, what about conning Jack Campbell?

PC: Well, you know, I don't have any idea of it at all. I just know that I did have a — a — a havingness thing. You see?

PC: Yeah, that's a good "What" question.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm. And I still do.

PC: Yeah. That's a good "What" question. (laughs) Very good. (laughs)

LRH: Hm! How do you account for this?

LRH: Good. Well, that's the one we are going to work.

PC: I haven't the faintest idea. you know, people are like that.

PC: Yeah, it makes me sweat a little bit.

LRH:You know that . . . All right. All right, honey. Okay. Well, this is an activity I didn't expect to get into here. Squeeze the cans like that again.

LRH: All right. Very good. When was that?

PC: That's what I was afraid of too, you see?

PC: Uh ... summer of 1958.

LRH: Yeah, but that's all right.

LRH: Very good. Is that all there is to it?

PC: All right.

PC: Uh . . (pause) Oh, I thought, well, if uh ... you know, uh ... what do I have to lose here, you know? Nothing - nothing in this course, and, well, figured on paying him later on.

LRH:Squeeze the cans again. No, I mean it's a darn good thing I started checking up on this.

LRH: All right. Good enough. All right. And what might have appeared there?

PC: Why?

PC: Well, I could have shake - shaken some money up from someplace, I think ...

LRH:Because if you'd ever had an auditor, he would have straightened it up.

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, I've had a lot of auditors.

PC: ... to pay for it.

LRH: I don't think so.

LRH: Very good. And who didn't find out about that?

PC: I've had six.

PC: Well, Jack didn't. I-I-I - the fact I could have gotten the money someplace to pay for it, I think.

LRH:Nobody has straightened up your Havingness Process.

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, maybe I don't look like a havingness case. I mean, you know, I might not.

PC: You know.

LRH:I'm not invalidating your auditor. I wouldn't do that in a normal session. But you're not in a Model Session.

LRH: Very, very good. Okay. When was that? (PC sighs) Very specifically.

PC: No.

PC: July of uh ... Gee, the Moscow Art Theatre was in town.

LRH:I was just slapping some people's ears. Put your cans down.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

PC: I think it was the end of June. I think it was the end of June. End of June in uh ... 1958.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Good. And what else is there about this?

PC: My ears just got red.

PC: Well, I-I-I ... I went on and took the course, and uh .. conned him again into giving me the HPA Course without paying for it over there.

LRH:Come on, I wasn't slapping your ears; I was slapping their ears. Now, look-a-here. Touch your ears.

LRH: All right. Okay. And what didn't appear there?

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Fifty thousand francs for the HPA Course. (laughs)

LRH: Thank you. Touch the top of your head.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, I see.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Still hasn't appeared. (laughs)

LRH: Thank you. Touch your chest.

LRH: All right. and who didn't find out about that?

PC: Ha!

PC: (pause) Well, the - the people who I owed money to didn't find out that I was spending more money or, you know ...

LRH: Good. Touch your stomach.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Yep.

PC: ... putting myself into more debt...

LRH:All right. Touch your shoulders. Good. Touch your stomach. Good. Touch the top of your head.

LRH: I see.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: ... in a sense.

LRH:Thank you. Good. Touch the end of your nose.

LRH: All right.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Kind of a little bit of an overt against them. Very funny.

LRH:Good. Touch your stomach. Good. Touch your shoulders. All right. Thank you. Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze them.

LRH: What?

PC: Better?

PC: Just getting more debts without paying them off.

LRH:Do it again. That's all right. All right. Mm-hm!

LRH: I see.

PC: Maybe I'm not very strong.

PC: You know, something like that.

LRH:Oh, that's all right. I'm not going to worry about this.

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. All right. Now, let's test this "What" question.

PC: Hm.

PC: Hm.

LRH:All right. Once more we're going to try out this reach thing

LRH: What about conning Jack Campbell?

PC: All right.

Have to test it again: What about conning Jack Campbell? That seems to have a tiny little bit of reaction on it. Let me ask you this. Is there any earlier moment there? Is there anything earlier, before that Comm Course? What's that?

LRH: But we're going to try it out in negative.

PC: Yeah. Uh ... had coffee or something with Jack and Gernie ...

PC: All right.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH:All right. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

PC: and uh ... I - Jack paid for the coffee or the drink or something - earlier, when I first met him. And I kind of conned him there a little bit. You know, he paid for the drink.

PC: That door.

LRH: All right. Well, when was that?

LRH: All right. Good enough. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching

PC: Was after a play. (pause) It - it was uh ... well, it must have been after a uh ... It must have been that spring, along in March or something like that.

PC: I'm not reaching the window.

LRH: Get a tick-tick.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching

PC: Yeah. In March ...

PC: Uh — that light switch.

LRH: Yeah. All right. Good enough.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

PC: ... that year. Yeah.

PC: The ceiling.

LRH: All right. What else is there to that?

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

PC: I just - that was the first time I saw him. That night.

PC: Oh, that weigher.

LRH: That's the first time you ever saw him?

LRH:All right. Now, how do you feel on this — for a minute?

PC: Yeah.

PC: All right.

LRH: Yeah. Bang.

LRH: Does that make you feel strange?

PC: Yeah. Gernie invited me for a drink after uh ... an American Embassy Little Theatre group ...

PC: Uh — no. I just started feeling here and it's sort of echoish.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH:Oh, all right. Good. Squeeze the cans. Oh, I think it's a tiny bit increased.

PC: ... production.

PC: Oh.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Has it annoyed you?

PC: I'm not sure if it was hers or somebody else's. And uh - with her and Jack, and I saw this character first appear.

PC: My space is kind of small.

LRH: All right. Okay And what might have appeared there?

LRH: Huh?

PC: Hm. Well, I don't know. A couple of hundred francs from my pocket, I guess, to pay for the drinks, could have appeared.

PC: My space is kind of small.

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH:All right. But has it annoyed you that these Havingness Processes were all grab-out-at-something, grab-out-at something, or something like that?

PC: I think I was broke, or something, and I had to con him. You know, I couldn't pay the drink. I don't think I had any money on me, or something like this. It was funny.

PC: Uh — possibly.

LRH: All right. Very good. Who didn't find out about it?

LRH:Well, has it or hasn't it? Don't try to be obliging, just tell me.

PC: Well ... Jack didn't. Jack and Gernie didn't.

PC: Well, it was uh . . . Well, sometimes things would be too far away, yes. Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. All right. Let me test this "What" question again: What about conning Jack Campbell?

LRH:And you sort of felt like you couldn't reach it. Well, answer this question: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?

Still got an action. Did you meet him any earlier than that?

PC: I don't think so.

PC: Not that I know of.

LRH:All right. I will check that. Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I'm not getting a direct response on that.

LRH: Ah-ah-ah.

PC: Oh, I don't think I have failed to. I might have had difficulty answering them.

PC: Yeah?

LRH: All right. Let me check that . . .

LRH: You meet Jack Campbell earlier than that?

PC: The last uh — time I ran uh — Notice — Notice! That was a good one....

PC: Man, I don't remember if I do. (laughs)

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Come on, come on, come on. Did you meet him earlier than that? I got a reaction here.

PC: Uh — the auditor had me notice things that were small and close, you see? And that helped, to me.

PC: No.

LRH: I see. All right. All right. Well, we got this . . .

LRH: Let me test this very carefully, before I send you off on a wild goose chase.

PC: He started on a gradient scale, you know?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than that? You've got a reaction here, man.

PC: It worked.

PC: I'll be darned. Jack Campbell earlier.

LRH: Now, just for fun . . .

LRH: Yes, Jack Campbell earlier.

PC: Mm.

PC: I knew Gernie before I knew Jack.

LRH:. . . let's run a few more of these negative commands.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: All right.

PC: Uh ... the first I remember Gernie is meeting her after one of my productions there.

LRH: Okay?

LRH: All right.

PC: I like them.

PC: And ... I heard about Jack. Damn! or something, and ... I was kind of curious about him.

LRH:Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: That nail.

PC: And uh ... (long pause)

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: What are you plowing around with there? You got a double tick.

PC: That rug.

PC: Yeah. Uh ... it was meeting Gernie ...

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: That chair.

PC: ... after that production ...

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching

LRH: Right.

PC: The top of that uh — shelf.

PC: ... in-in-in the foyer of the ...

LRH:Good. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. That's reducing the can swing . . .

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh. Well . . .

PC: ... American Students and Artists Center ...

LRH: . . . as you could expect it to. What?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: I uh — almost said I wasn't reaching you but I found out I was, so I didn't.

PC: and uh ... this - there's some unknown there. I can't remember about this... uh... that... (pause) Something - I... I wondered where Jack was, or something like this. (laughs) I'd never met him, you see?

LRH: All right. Okay. You suppressed . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm.

PC: But I wondered where Jack was ...

LRH:All right. Okay. Now, let's now check out this Notice, hm?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: All right.

PC: ... or something. You know? I mean, there's ... there's something like that.

LRH: All right. Notice that ashtray.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: This ... But on [mumbles]

LRH: Okay. Notice that wood.

LRH: All right. Just experimentally, was there a desire to withhold yourself from meeting Jack? No. All right Let me check this "What" question again: What about conning Jack Campbell? Still reacts.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: (pause) I intend - on meeting Gernie ...

LRH: Good. Notice that telephone.

LRH: Good.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: I intended to get - get her interested in my theater project.

LRH: Good. Notice that ceiling

LRH: Ah!

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: And maybe that's conning Jack a little bit, by getting Gernie interested.

LRH: Good. Notice that flower.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yes.

PC: Inadvertently conning Jack - conning Gernie into ... into getting her to back my theater project.

LRH: Good. Notice that necklace.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Because I heard she was important, you know ...

LRH: Good. Notice that E-Meter.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: ... she had connections ...

LRH: Good. Notice that lamp.

LRH: Now we got little tick-tick. Yeah.

PC: Yes.

PC: and money, and ... yeah ... Money and connections, and ...

LRH: Good. Notice that button.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Uh ... may - maybe it's kind of overt against Jack, and conning him too, or something. (laughs)

LRH: Good. Notice that pencil.

LRH: Well, you don't have to add it up to him. Were you trying ...

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Notice that pencil.

LRH: ... to con Gernie?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:Good. Thank you. Squeeze the cans. Well, it's possibly coming up just a little bit more.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Mm. LRSI: Squeeze them again. All right. All right. I don't like the reaction of that . . .

PC: Yeah, yeah.

PC: I'm ruining it.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

LRH: . . . process particularly. Hm?

PC: Yeah.

PC: I'm ruining the demonstration.

LRH: All right. Now is there a missed withhold right there at that meeting? PC: First meeting with Jack ? Yeah.

LRH: Are you worried about that? I'm not . . .

LRH: No. With Gernie.

PC: A little bit, yeah.

PC: Gernie.

LRH:. . . worried about that. What are you worried about it for? Well, come on, what are you worried about it for?

LRH: There a missed withhold there with Gernie? What would it be? What didn't she find out about?

PC: Well, I just — I did.

PC: On me? Gee, I don't know. That ... Well, the first I - when I first met her, I-I didn't uh ... Here was this big, fat woman here, you know?

LRH:All right. Don't worry about that. No, I'm quite interested here. I'm quite interested here. I'm looking for a bug on the subject of havingness.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: Mm.

PC: Yeah. Uh... and - but - had a lot of ... pretty alive, you know? (chuckles) Gernie is pretty alive.

LRH:I'm looking for a bug of some kind or another . . .

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

PC: She... and she was interested in ... in ... in me because she had seen the production and liked it. And ... I didn't know who she was.

LRH:. . . on the subject of havingness. Here's the way you check into one of those things, for your own information.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: She - very nice talking and gets - I got some admiration there, and stuff like this...

LRH:Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Did you?

PC: ... you know, it was nice.

LRH:You ever fail to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.

LRH: Well, have you answered the auditing question there? Is there a missed withhold from Gernie? I haven't got a reaction on it.

PC: Hm. Um — I did once, but I answered it later, because I told him.

PC: No I-I-I can I think of any.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: All right. Now, let me test this "What" question again, huh?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Hm.

LRH:Thank you. Let me check that on the meter.

LRH: All right. What about conning Jack? Now, we've still got a little tick here.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? All right. You got a rather heavily swinging needle here. I'll have to check it again. Okay?

LRH: All right. Did you meet Jack Campbell coming back to one we had before ...

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? All right. That's clean.

LRH: ... did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this?

PC: Yeah. I usually try. I — I — I like that, you see? I like the havingness Processes.

All right. Let me ask you once more. Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this? I'm not getting a reaction on that.

LRH: An right.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: And uh . . . I don't think I've failed to answer.

LRH: I'll ... I'll say it once more, because you're getting dives here.

LRH:Okay. Now, have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc?

PC: Hm.

PC: I don't think so.

LRH: Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this? No, that's clean.

LRH: Ouhh, man, we've got a nice fall here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: It scares me though to think about it.

LRH: All right. Now, is there a meeting between that first meeting with Gernie and what you were saying was the first meeting with Jack ...

LRH: Yes. We've got a nice fall here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: ... when he bought the drinks?

LRH:I'll ask that again. Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? There's something here.

PC: The meeting with Gernie? Between that time?

PC: Hm.

LRH: Yeah, well, is that - is ... yeah. Yeah. Is there a second meeting with Gernie before you met Jack?

LRH: That was . . .

PC: Gee, I sure got it occluded if there is. There must - uh...

PC: Let's see now.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: Well, what was that?

PC: yeah, there must have been. There must have been.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Uh-huh. We got a ...

LRH:What's that? What are you thinking about right there? What's that?

PC: Must have been.

PC: Oh — oh, by-y-y-y golly, I got sidetracked there.

LRH: The double action is on there.

LRH:What were you thinking about? You say you got sidetracked, but what did you think about at that point?

PC: Yeah. Funny, I've a little charge too. (chuckles) ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What goes on here?

LRH: Come on. That's it.

PC: Gee. I'm just trying to think of what it was ...

PC: I´m sure I must have.

LRH: All right. Good. Good.

LRH: Must have what?

PC: ... ah, uh . . (pause) you know, it must have been, because um ... by the time I met Jack, Gernie and I were already good friends, you know, there.

PC: Failed . . . Oh. . .

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH: Yeah, go on. Have you . . .

PC: Wonder what happened in there.

PC: And...

LRH: Yeah (PC laughs) All right. When might that have been?

LRH: ... ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? There's something in this.

PC: March? Well, yes. I first met her, right ... God, '58. What was that, Streetcar Named Desire?

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: All right. What is it?

PC: Yeah. Streetcar Named Desire. I first met her then, when - when she was - it must have been after Street - no, it must have been sooner than Streetcar. Man, I've got so much confusion through this period, you know?

PC: Well, I'm sure I did. you found it.

LRH: Interesting.

LRH: All right. Thank you. I will check it.

PC: (laughs) It's interesting.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

LRH:Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc?

PC: Uh ...

PC: Yeah, I must have.

LRH: Okay. (long pause) Well, how can I help you out there?

LRH: That's latent now.

PC: Well, I-I-I-I'm not sure what you - what to look for now. I kind of got lost off of that.

PC: Yeah. Well, I'm sure I did.

LRH: All right. Now, I asked you if there was a meeting ...

LRH: You're sure you did.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... with Gernie. Were you - from that - between that first meeting ...

LRH:Thank you. All right. Let me ask this question: What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc?

PC: Yeah

PC: Goodness' sakes. Oh, it was a "Point out."

LRH: . . and when you met Jack. I was asking you ...

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah, there must have been several of them.

PC: It was "Point out something," l think . .

LRH: ... when was that period?

LRH: Hm-hm. All right.

PC: Yeah. I can I remember when I first met Gernie.

PC: . . . on someone.

LRH: That's it

LRH: Thank you. Let me check that.

PC: Do you follow?

PC: All right.

LRH: That's it. We haven't got the first meeting spotted, have we?

LRH:What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? Well, I got . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: It must have been "Point out something."

LRH: All right. Well, when might it have been?

LRH:I get a wobbly needle on that. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? I've got a reaction on that still.

PC: I - it seems to me it was after uh ... waiting for Godot. I - I - after I did that production. And that was u... well, spring of '57. Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: We're getting a bit of reaction there.

LRH:All right. Let me ask you this question . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: I uh — it was the thirty-six ones, I think.

LRH: All right. Is that all there is to that meeting now?

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah. You mean that meeting with Gernie?

PC: You know, the thirty-six Presessions.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: Yeah. Far as - yeah.

PC: Yeah. That was what it was. Hm?

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH:Hm-hm. All right. Let me check that again. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? That's still live.

PC: Far as I know.

PC: Still.

LRH: All right. What didn't appear there?

LRH:What are you thinking about when you hit that?

PC: Well, Jack didn't. (laughs)

PC: Well, it — it was one where you have a can between. "Point out something."

LRH: All right. (chuckles) Okay. Did you particularly want him to appear on that scene?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: No I didn't even know about him existing, you see, at that at that point, really.

PC: That was the one.

LRH: Oh, you didn't know he existed at all?

LRH: All right. Let me ask you this question.

PC: No.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. And who didn't find out about that first meeting? I got a reaction.

LRH:What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on?

PC: Oh, the - yeah, the ... the people ran the ... American Students and Artists Center didn't find out about that.

PC: I think it was my son. I don't know.

LRH: Oh, yeah. All right. Very good.

LRH: All right.

PC: 'Cause they were supporting me, they were behind me, and it was kind of - I don't know.

PC: Seems like it must have been.

LRH: Well?

LRH: There's a steep fall here.

PC: I was - I was getting support from other people too. Uh ... confused. I was, you know, very confused there.

PC: Well, it must have been him. you know, undoubtedly.

LRH: Well, all right. Now we're getting onto something interesting. While they were supporting you, were you looking for support from other people?

LRH:Why? Why undoubtedly? You don't remember this . . .

PC: Yeah, for my uh ... Well, not really. But I felt kind of guilty about uh ... people would off or something. You know, I'd - I'd get admiration and stuff like this. I was becoming an independent figure, you see?

PC: Because that's the one I was thinking of.

LRH: I see.

LRH: Oh, all right. All right. I´ll check that.

PC: Kind of like this ...

PC: Mm.

LRH: I see.

LRH:What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right, that's still dirty.

PC: ... in a sense.

PC: Still dirty.

LRH: All right. Good enough.

LRH: Not dirty, by the way, just falling

PC: Yeah.

PC: Oh.

LRH: Let me check this over now. Another "What" question here incidental, just to be checked.

LRH: It still reacts, however.

PC: Hm.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: What about these meetings with Gernie? Now there's a double tick on these meetings with Gernie.

LRH:Let me ask you the question again. Now what pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on?

PC: They're certainly occluded, um ... in through here.

PC: I guess that was Carl. Probably.

LRH: There it is.

LRH: Who?

PC: There's a year ...

PC: Carl.

LRH: There it is.

LRH: Carl.

PC: See, there's a year going through there...

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: ... about that.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm.

LRH:All right. Thank you. Let me check that. What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right. That's clean.

PC: You know.

PC: No kidding It was Carl. Hm!

LRH: I'm going to put that down as a ...

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: Boy, I sure had trouble with Gernie later on, so there must be - (laughs) there must be something in there. (laughs)

PC: That's true, too.

LRH: Yeah? You do something to her?

LRH: It's true?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. That's the one.

LRH: What?

LRH:Hm? All right. Very good. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Now, let me ask something here out of my just out of curiosity here.

PC: Oh... I - later on there, I uh ... fought with her, you know?

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

LRH:You were sort of waiting for the meter to tell you whether that was right or wrong. What was this all about? Didn't you really remember that yourself?

PC: Fought with her ...

PC: Not until I told it to you.

LRH: Did you do something to her specifically? We got a tick.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: Yeah. I um ... Yeah, one time she wanted to ... she wanted to come and have supper with me. I told her no, I was going to go with some other people.

PC: Not Carl.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: I - you know, kind of pushed her away.

PC: I knew there was someone, and the thirty-six Presessions and then this thing between the cans.

LRH: You what?

LRH:All right. You do remember — you do remember doing this?

PC: I kind of repulsed her.

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Yeah. All right.

PC: Repulsed her and ...

PC: Definitely.

LRH: Well, let me ask this question: What about refusing Gernie? No, that isn't live. It isn't quite right. What would you do to Gernie? You repulsed her, then.

LRH:Good. All right. Let me check this once more to make sure we get out from underneath the thing

PC: That time. Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, when was that?

LRH:All right. What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? I get nothing on that now.

PC: Was quite a bit later. This uh ... I was back ...

PC: Mm, it was Carl.

LRH: Well, when was it?

LRH:All right. Okay. Now let's see what luck we have here.

PC: 19 Jesus! Spring of '60.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Very good.

LRH:All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: March of 60.

PC: That hanger.

LRH: Is that all there is to it?

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Well, there's other stuff during that incident. She was producing; I was directing a production there.

PC: Uh — the couch.

LRH: Ah. You were working with her.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Yeah, working together.

PC: Uh — that uh — connecting thing.

LRH: Oh, all right.

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Long time.

PC: I could reach that camera.

LRH: Good. All right. And what didn't appear there?

LRH:Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: In that particular instance there of repulsing her? Well... (pause) Some friendliness on my part didn't appear.

PC: The camera holder.

LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

LRH:All right. Thank you. Okay. Squeeze the cans.

PC: Well Gernie didn't, really.

PC: Did I do it right?

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

LRH:Put those backs of your hands on the table here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Let me ask you a couple of just leading questions here, could I?

LRH:Now put the backs of your hands — now, put your hands up to where I can get them here because I don't want to cover up the dial.

PC: Yeah.

PC: All right. There's my fingers.

LRH: Is there any affair ... is there any affair with Gernie? Is there any refusal to have an affair with Gernie?

LRH: All right. Now just hold them relaxedly.

PC: Yeah. Not - do you mean love affair? or ...

PC: Mm.

LRH: Yeah, I don't care.

LRH:Man, there's certainly very little drop here, let me tell you, man. All right. Now, I'll tell you something

PC: Yeah. Uh ... it was never uh ... it was - it was neither way, you know? It was - we got together one time and uh ... on this American Theatre Association thing, and she said "Fred," she said, "I help you, but I want something out of it."

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm.

LRH:I'll tell you something Is there something that you consistently want that you can't have?

PC: And at that time I... I... I wondered - I had the consideration that, well, people should help me because they should help me, you know? Not because they want something out of me.

PC: Sure.

LRH: Hm hm.

LRH: Well, what is it?

PC: (laughs) You know? Very...

PC: Uh — a lot of motion.

LRH: All right. We're on the double-tick line.

LRH: Hm? A lot of . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: Motion.

LRH: Go on

LRH: A lot of motion.

PC: Yeah. And that uh ... that I deserve to be helped. You know?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: And you don't think you can have this?

PC: ... and I don't - I don't need to give anything in return.

PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: Ah.

LRH: Well, all right. All right. Okay. I get a little reaction on this.

PC: Except my uh ... my "contribution of art to the world," you know?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Is there anything else you consistently want that you can't have?

PC: or something like that - some jazz like that. I'm important enough, and I'm ... you know! I should be helped and not to be bothered about things like this, and what have you. I - I kind of left her with a maybe on that whole thing.

PC: No, I don't think so.

LRH: What did she mean by, she expected something out of it? What do you think she meant?

LRH: All right.

PC: Well, she - she expected to direct a play now and then, when she wanted to, you know ...

PC: Well, I'd like to be a — a real excellent auditor.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: ... enter in artistically into the thing. And I wasn't interested in letting her do this. I didn't consider her capable at the time of...

PC: That I would like. But, you know, that — that I can come to in my own slow way.

LRH: Did she ever find out about this?

LRH: All right. Now, let me ask you this question again just to check it on the meter. Okay?

PC: She never found out about that, no.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh. Is there a consistent withhold here on the subject of her capability?

LRH: Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have? No, that's quiet now.

PC: There certainly is, yeah. Certainly is Certainly is. All through - all through our relationship. Kind of culminating up into producing this play ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: It's sensitivity.

PC: ... together.

PC: Just those two things.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: All right. I'll check it again. Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have? No, that's clean.

PC: I found out, in working together, that she was very capable.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh, I see.

LRH: All right. Very good. Okay, honey. Now, we're not going to fool with this anymore . . .

PC: Before that ... you know.

PC: Mm.

LRH: You had an opinion through that period?

LRH: ... as a Havingness Process. But I'm going to recommend that we just do a standard job now of trying to find a Havingness Process on you. Okay?

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

PC: All right.

LRH: All right. She didn't find out about this at any time?

LRH: Because I've taken a little bit of charge off this thing. And I've now got — whether we've got havingness or not — I've got now a rather quiet needle.

PC: No

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Did Jack ever find out about this?

LRH: This thing was going slamity-slam before.

PC: No

PC: I'm not surprised.

LRH: Might Jack have found out about this when he was auditing you?

LRH: Okay?

PC: Yeah, he might have, if he'd ...

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right.

LRH: All right. Let me check these What questions now.

PC: ... asked me.

PC: All right.

■ LRH: Is there anything else about Gernie that Jack might have found out about? (pause) That's it.

LRH: All right?

■ PC: I had a feeling she was interested in me as a man, you see, sexually.

PC: Hm-hm.

■ LRH: I see.

LRH: All right. What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. We're just doing a check on this. It's just — this thing is — there's something about this. What about it?

■ PC: I couldn't uh ... you know. Uh ... I wouldn't want Jack to know that, that I kind of got the idea from her. Not through any really terribly overt - kind of covertly, I mean.

PC: Well, I just think it's silly.

■ LRH: I see.

LRH: All right. Okay.

■ PC: And I wouldn't want Jack to know about that.

PC: You know, what an effect!

LRH: All right. All right. Now let me disentangle ...

LRH: Thank you. Let me check that again.

PC: Yes.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... all of this a little bit here.

LRH: What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. Thank you. That's still a little bit warm.

PC: Right.

PC: Is it?

LRH: And let me ask that question again, check it on the meter.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, honey.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: For goodness' sakes.

LRH: Might Jack have found out something about you and Gernie when he was auditing you? (pause) Getting a little action on this.

LRH:Now, here's the next one. What about you acting rowdy? All right. That's an active question. Do you care to say anything there particularly?

PC: Uh ... seems to be something else.

PC: No.

LRH: It's what something else?

LRH:All right. Thank you, honey. Well, what about withdrawing from people? Let me check that again.

PC: He might have found something else out - something else about me and Gernie, beside what I said.

PC: All right.

LRH: Something else ...

LRH:What about withdrawing from people? All right. That's . . .

PC: Yeah.

PC: That one's all right.

LRH: ... than this capability thing?

LRH: Apparently nothing on it very much.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. I think I undid that one real good.

LRH: Was there anything else to find out? Got a reaction.

LRH:By the way, what overt was found that caused that to be asked as a What question?

PC: I didn't like her!

PC: Santa Maria!

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH:What overt was found? This is the question: What about withdrawing from people? I want to know what overt was found that led to that question being asked.

PC: I didn't like her.

PC: I haven't the faintest idea at this point.

LRH: Good. Well, might he have practically blown your head off if he'd found out about your opinions with Gernie? What do you think? Something going on here.

LRH:What might it have — I get a reaction here.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, because I'm supposed to know. I mean, I . . .

LRH: I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.

LRH: Well, do you remember any overt?

PC: Yeah. I-I-I don't know ... I - my considerations at the time or my considerations now?

PC: No, I don't remember.

LRH: Your considerations at the time.

LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this?

PC: At the time. (sighs) Well, you know, - he might have ... he might not have liked me, or something like that. But that's the missed withhold.

PC: Oh, yeah, I must have.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me check this lineup now.

LRH: You must have, but did you?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay? What about conning Jack Campbell? Got a reaction.

LRH: All right.

PC: Hm.

PC: Sure.

LRH: Instant reaction.

LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this?

PC: Hm.

PC: Mm, yeah. But I can't remember it.

LRH: But it's not now the dirty-needle reaction

LRH:All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. All right. Nothing wrong with this.

PC: Uh Uh ... I mean, there are some other times when I conned him, kind of.

PC: Yeah, I — I had a lot of them, really.

LRH: Oh, just give me a rapid rundown. What's the relationship here?

LRH:You went over a lot of them with the auditor?

PC: Well, I ... I - I got some books from him and never paid him for the books.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Good. Thank you. Any other one?

LRH: Mm. What was the type of overt?

PC: Uh ... (pause) Oh, I-I-I was going to trade twenty-five hours of auditing with him.

PC: God...

LRH: Hm-m.

LRH: Go on, what was the type of overt?

PC: That's - that was a con, because he was a better auditor than I was (laughs).

PC: Oh, withdrawing my support and stuff like that.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Actually I got twelve and a half.

PC: Withdrawing my support and uh . . . Gosh, really, I don't really remember.

LRH: Good. Good.

LRH: Well, is that so? All right.

PC: Uh ...

PC: Yes, sir.

LRH: Any other?

LRH: Thank you.

PC: Can't think of any right now.

PC: Yes, sir.

LRH: All right. What?

LRH: Thank you.

PC: Uh no, it's a motivator. (laughs)

PC: You're welcome.

LRH: Well, that's all right. What's the motivator? Perfectly all right with me.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah. (chuckles) Well, there's - there was - there was some confusion with him about when I was on the course, when he came on the ACC over here. That's ...

PC: But it seemed terrible at the time, I'm sure.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH:Mm-hm. All right. Okay, honey. All right, we've got "What about picking up a body?"

PC: ... when he was a student on an ACC. He and Vincent came over here. and... well, no, there - th-th-th-th there's an overt in there. Yeah.

PC: That's what I said at the time.

LRH: Yeah, that's what I was going to just ask for, but you saved me the trouble.

LRH:All right. Very good. I'll check that on the meter again. What about picking up a body? Okay.

PC: Yeah. (laughs)

PC: I didn't like that one.

LRH: (chuckles) All right. What's the overt?

LRH: What about putting a body in storage?

PC: There's an overt in there. Uh ... he left uh ... Mario and myself to teach the course there. Mm ?

PC: Pretty terrible, huh ?

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hm?

PC: And uh ... we were supposed to work together in teaching the course.

PC: Pretty terrible, huh?

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: Oh, pretty grim. Well, what about it?

PC: But Mario went on a concert tour didn't come back.

PC: Yeah! Just think it used to be a good way to put them in, you know?

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: See? And he was supposed to come back in a week, didn't come back ...

PC: Save them.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: Thank you.

PC: ... at all, you know. But I went ahead and taught the course, myself.

PC: No problem with me right now.

LRH: Hm-hm.

LRH:All right. All right, here's one I find. I'm not going to go over all these.

PC: (sniffs) And spent the time blaming Jack, kind of, for not - you know, for Mario - to let Mario, Jack, everybody else, whereby ... The overt was ... Golly, it's kind of ... there's something to do with uh ... holding down the whole thing by myself...

PC: I think Mary Sue had a list of the whole bunch on the front of it.

LRH: Hm.

LRH: on the front of something here, huh?

PC: ... and proving to them that they were no good or something like this. You know, I don't know.

PC: on the very first page.

LRH: All right. All right.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Something like that.

PC: Right on the very first page there. Yes!

LRH: Good enough. Thank you. All right, let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? All right. I don't know if that was a reaction or not, I'll check it again.

LRH:All right. I'll check a couple of more of these. What about invalidating a teachers Anything you'd care to say?

PC: Hm.

PC: Nm. Well, I only did it a couple of times.

LRH: What about conning Jack Campbell? I've still got some kind of a reaction. Let's get the One B checked here.

LRH:All right. Good. Now I'll ask that again. What about invalidating a teacher?

PC: All right.

I'm not going to check any more: They're all hot, every one of them.

LRH: What about these meetings with Gernie? All right, let me check it again. What about these meetings with Gernie? That is clean.

PC: Good heavens.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:All right, honey. Well arrange to get something flattened on here. Okay?

LRH: All right. Now let me check the first one again. What about conning Jack Campbell? Let me check it again. What about conning Jack Campbell? I've still got a reaction on that.

PC: Except me.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What about except you?

LRH: It's much quieter.

PC: We'll not flatten me.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Horrible remark.

LRH: Everything is smoothing out. There is something else here. Is that the first meeting you had with Jack Campbell?

PC: I know.

PC: Yeah!

LRH:All right, honey. You don't want to be flattened, huh?

LRH: All right.

PC: Uh-uh.

PC: Far as I know.

LRH: That's a bad one, huh?

LRH: Now, did you and Gernie talk about Jack Campbell? All right. There's no reaction there.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Hm-m.

LRH:All right. All right. Now, the only thing I'm going to put down here is "1. Find this pc's Hav Process and use it." And "2. Flatten all What questions on list." And "3. Withdraw both former auditors from auditing." There we are.

LRH: Is there any other con there that you might have skipped? Did you ever borrow money from him, or ...

PC: But I had six of them.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: ... never paid it back? You so far have just mentioned course fees, and so forth. Did you ever borrow money and not pay it back?

PC: I had six of them!

PC: I think I paid all the money back I borrowed from him.

LRH:Good. It's just the last two. Just the last two. Okay?

LRH: I get no reaction on it.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:Because when I tell somebody to get something done, then I expect it to get done.

LRH: All right. Did you ever take a girl away from him?

PC: Yes, sir.

PC: No.

LRH:I found a gross auditing error here in auditing a pc without a Havingness Process. Now, I try not to invalidate your auditors: I'm not interested in invalidating them or not. All I'm interested in is, one day I walk out in the hall and I see a girl I like, called Smokey, and she is looking like she has just been dragged in by the cat, Sambo.

LRH: Did you ever steal anything off of him?

PC: Didn’t, though?

PC: No.

LRH:Yes. And so I says, "Well now, we'll check into this." So I said, "Well, the person has had a lot of What questions run, and we'll get these checked over." They were announced to me as being clear and clean and null: they're all hotter than a pistol.

LRH: All right. Did you ever take a fee while you were teaching there and didn't pay it back or something like that?

PC: Mm.

PC: No No.

LRH: Great? Furthermore, they're not very intelligent What questions. But that's all right; that's beside the point.

LRH: Huh?

PC: I had fun with some of them.

PC: No. Huh.

LRH:Sure, I know you did. But those things can be cleaned.

LRH: What do you mean?

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh, yeah!

LRH: Okay?

LRH: What?

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah. I just remembered an overt I got against him ...

LRH:so I made up my mind that the cycle of action which I began . . .

LRH: Yeah, all right.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: ... on that.

LRH:. . . on straightening you up would be finished. I found two gross auditing errors here: one of them is auditing a pc without a Hav Process, and the other one is not flattening the questions. That was all I was looking for.

LRH: What is it?

PC: All right.

PC: While I was uh ... there, teaching - you know, teaching the course, holding things down, his - I'd use his office, you know, I mean, his office there.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Yeah, yeah.

PC: I think I just fool people, you know?

PC: And he said, well, I wasn't supposed to go in the bottom left hand drawer of his desk.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: Right.

PC: I think I do fool people. You know, I don't usually — you know, it takes a lot to run me down.

PC: I m not supposed to touch that bottom left hand drawer.

LRH:All right, honey. As far as fooling people is concerned, you can't fool a meter.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Oh, I didn't try to.

PC: And so I went in the bottom - so I did go in the bottom left hand drawer...

LRH: I know you don't.

LRH: All right.

PC: Hm.

PC: ... and rummage around there a bit, and found some dirty pictures down there.

LRH: No, it's just technical.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Hm-hm.

PC: And never told him about that. {laughs) Never told him about it.

LRH:What are you trying to do, take responsibility for this? Perfectly all right with me if you do.

LRH: Okay. Did he audit you after that?

PC: Oh, of course!

PC: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

LRH:All right. Go ahead and take responsibility for it.

LRH: All right. Thank you. Thank you.

PC: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's all right.

LRH: Good enough. Now let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? Well, this is getting to look much cleaner.

PC: That's better.

PC: Yeah.

LRH:All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Thank you. That's clear.

LRH: All right. What about conning Jack Campbell? I am not now getting an instant read ...

PC: I know.

PC: Hm.

LRH: What were you thinking about?

LRH: ... but it's a little bit before, and it's a little bit after.

PC: Naturally it's clear!

PC: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of - must be a lot of - several other things I have done to him, you know?

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Well, think of any off hand?

PC: Naturally it's clear.

PC: Hm, hm, hm.

LRH:All right. Now, is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this?

LRH: What's that?

PC: No.

PC: Oh, well, I - yeah. I conned him there.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: What?

PC: Not a thing

PC: Um ... I took the test, my final exam paper ...

LRH: Anything you care to ask or say before I end it?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Well, just say "thank you," of course.

PC: ... from the HPA, home, and did it at home ...

LRH:All right, honey. Now, I got a little dirty — instant dirty needle there.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: Well — uh — well, that's my secret.

PC: ... in a sense. That's sort of a con. Well, yeah, because I... I ... I went home and I - actually, when I took this paper home, I thought it was a joke about learning the Axioms. I-I - you know, learning, memorizing all those Axioms. That was silly.

LRH: What's your secret?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: You see, I have hot flushes sometimes.

PC: And when I - I brought it back I copied them out of the book, you know.

LRH: All right. Okay.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Age, you know.

PC: Brought them back, you know, I brought them back. And he looked at it, and he checked it over, with me there, and he saw that everything was perfect in it.

LRH: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Hm-m.

PC: Mm.

PC: You know? And he looked at me kind of funny, like "Well, you got it right." LRH: Hm.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: I conned him there because I realized when he looked at me funny that I - it wasn't a joke. I should have memorized those Axioms.

PC: so it — it gets a little dirty needle at times . . .

LRH: Oh, I get you.

LRH: All right, honey.

PC: And I - I hadn't.

PC: . . . on that one thing.

LRH: All right.

LRH:Okay. Let me ask this again. Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover?

PC: And - and at that moment I knew that ... really that - that I hadn't. You know, I mean, I should have, or something, you know?

PC: No. Don't think so.

LRH: Hm-hm, yeah.

LRH: All right. Think of anything else? Little something there?

PC: And I conned him there.

PC: Uh — well, I appreciate your finding uh — that the havingness is out, because I do think l need it.

LRH: Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: We got it taped now.

LRH: Hm, all right. All right. Good enough.

PC: Hm.

All right. I'm going to check this one question on the meter here.

LRH: All right. Let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? This looks fairly clean.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH:Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover? Thank you. That is clear.

LRH: I'll check it just one more time. What about conning Jack Campbell? I haven't got anything on it.

PC: Okay.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right, honey. Thank you very much.

LRH: That's clean ...

PC: All right. Thank you.

PC: That was a - that was actually, that was the big one there. I mean, that - that one there.

LRH:Put down the cans. you can go to — back downstairs and give the Instructor this.

LRH: Yeah. That cleaned it. (PC chuckles) All right.

PC: All right.

PC: Funny, because I told you about that once, but it wasn't - it wasn't as precise.

LRH: Thank you.

LRH: It wasn't "who missed the withhold," was it?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

LRH: Yeah. Uh ... now. All right. Anything you care to say before we leave this Prepchecking?

PC: Nope.

LRH: All right. Are you sure of that?

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Anything you care to say before we leave this Prepchecking?

PC: How about the double tick? Is that off?

LRH: I knew there was ... (chuckles) I can't find it.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It started disappearing when we cleaned up Gernie.

PC: Hm. Hm.

LRH: And ... I haven't seen it.

PC: Hm ?

LRH: But you ask about it there. There's ...

PC: Hm.

LRH: ... there's a wide motion, there's a wider motion.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: It's about so long, but it isn't the tick I had in the first place.

PC: Hm.

LRH: I've got a tick here of some kind or another.

PC: Hm.

LRH: It's not a tick. I've got a - a stop and a sweep.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: But I was looking for a dirty little tick tick.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And it seems to have dived for cover at the moment.

PC: Hm.

LRH: No, there it is again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Why? What are you thinking of, as you think of that?

PC: I don't know. That's the funny thing, you see? I kind of look at something I kind of look at an area of the bank.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: You know, or something, or a piece of a ridge there, or something like that.

LRH: Well that's all right.

PC: You know? And I get it there ...

LRH: It's all right. It's all right. Okay.

PC: I can bring it back by sweeping, you know? Scanning across.

LRH: Well, try to bring it back.

PC: Bring it back? It's ... (laughs; long pause) I don't know...

LRH: Yeah. A little bit. (PC sighs; pause) Little bit.

PC: Yeah, there's a little button there, it's - push ... I don't know.

LRH: All right. There it is.

PC: Creeps up on me. I was just trying to ... (laughs)

LRH: All right. But do you think we've attained anything there, on that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Now, let's see what we've got here. Okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? What's the half-truth? (pause) That's it.

PC: Oh, about writing those things for Robin, maybe. That's what I thought of ...

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: ... right there.

LRH: Thank you. I'll check it on the meter.

Have you told me any half-truth? Got it. Check, bang. It reacts.

PC: Hm-hm. Half-truths. Gee, I don't know.

LRH: Hm?

PC: I don't know what it was.

LRH: Think of anything at all? What's that?

PC: Oh, well, there must be some other things with Jack, I think.

LRH: Oh, all right.

PC: You know.

LRH: All right.

PC: I was ...

LRH: You weren't satisfied that that "What" question was clean?

PC: Yeah, I was satisfied.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: There was probably other things on the chain there along some ... You know, little ones ...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... like that, but not enough to...

LRH: Okay.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Thank you. I'll check the auditing question. Have you told me any half-truth? Clean.

■ Untruth? What's the untruth?

■ PC: Untruth.

■ LRH: That's it; Untruth.

■ PC: About Gernie? I don't know.

■ LRH: Think of an untruth?

■ PC: Well she didn't actually uh ... I don't think she really ever really insinuated that she uh ... was interested in me, sexually.

■ LRH: Ah.

■ PC: You know? I - it uh ... I think it was mainly my own ideas or something. You know, I mean, I kind of switch things around or something.

■ LRH: All right. Okay.

Have you told me any untruth? Got a reaction.

PC: Hm. (pause) Huh, I don't know what it is. Untruth. (long pause)

LRH: There's something.

PC: (pause) I don't know what it is.

LRH: Something there.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. I'll ask the question again.

PC: Yeah Yeah.

LRH: Your answer is you don't know what it is?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Thank you.

PC: I - I got an idea.

LRH: What is it?

PC: Something about beginning rudiments.

LRH: Did you think one of them was still hot?

PC: Maybe I had kind of a suspicion or something. I wasn't sure.

LRH: Oh, yeah?

PC: Well, it could of... Yeah, well, kind of a - of a missed withhold or something, you know?

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: I was - I was - when you - when you asked about (chuckles) a present time problem, I had a tiny present time problem that I haven't been able to get to sleep too well...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... over the last week or so...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... and I thought that it might show up. And then it didn't show up. And I thought it might show up, and uh - but it didn't show up.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And so I thought maybe that was something wrong there.

LRH: All right. Is there an untruth? Was any of that an untruth?

PC: No no, there wasn't an untruth on that.

LRH: Well, was it an untruth? Did you tell me that it ... ?

PC: An untruth, huh? Uh ...

LRH: Thinking of something there.

PC: Well, yeah. If I said I had a present time problem and it didn't react on the meter, then it would be an untruth.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Yes. (chuckles)

LRH: Is that what occurred?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're not sure?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that your answer?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Very good. I will check that. All right. Have you told me an untruth? I get a reaction. (pause)

Let me check it again ...

PC: Hm.

LRH: ... because you got a pretty divey needle.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you told me an untruth?

PC: Gee, I don't know what it is.

LRH: This is very equivocal.

PC: Yeah?

LRH: Do you have a guilty conscience about telling untruths or something of the sort here? This is not getting the same reaction ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... constantly at all.

PC: Uh ... I - I - I have a guilty conscience. It's just, you know, a general one-has-a-guilty - conscience guilty conscience, you know?

LRH: Well, does that upset you that I asked you if you've told an untruth? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that what this is falling on?

PC: Yeah, maybe.

LRH: Well, is it or isn't it?

PC: Uh ... (pause) Yeah, I didn't expect it to fall.

LRH: Oh, all right. Okay.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let me check it again. Have you told me an untruth? Now, I still get a reaction on this. {pause) That's it.

PC: Oh. About my friend with the letter?

LRH: All right.

PC: My friend?

LRH: Well, what's the untruth there? (pause) That's it.

PC: Well, I'm not - I'm not absolutely positive I wrote it to the right address. Huh? I have to go back, I have to check my - my address book ...

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: ... to make sure, because I just uh ... I wrote the address out you know ...

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: ... after having remembered it. And ... I'm not - I have to check my address book.

LRH: All right. Thank you. Is there an untruth in that anyplace?

PC: Well, I said that uh ...

LRH: What was the untruth?

PC: Hm.

LRH: That's it.

PC: Well that he uh ... that I'm sure ... well, that I'm sure that he would have ... would have told me if he had moved.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: You know.

LRH: All right.

PC: And maybe he wouldn't have. I'm not sure that he would have told me that he moved.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Right.

LRH: Very good. Have you told me an untruth? All right. That's clean. Or said something only to impress me? I'll check that again. Have you said something only to impress me? Have you said something only to impress me? I haven't got any reaction on that. Your needle is banging around here ...

PC: Oh.

LRH: ... so I have to check it a little bit. Would you care to answer it?

PC: I was thinking maybe that ... this overt on Robin I said, but it wasn't only to impress you. No, it wasn't.

LRH: (chuckles) All right (PC chuckles) Good.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Let me check it again.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? Now I am getting a kick on this.

PC: Oh, it wasn't only to impress you, but maybe I - it was a little bit to impress you. This overt on Robin, about writing him notes and stuff...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... like that.

LRH: Okay. Thank you.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's clean. Or tried to damage anyone in this session? Thank you. That's clean.

Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Now what's the ping on that?

PC: (laughs) I was looking for that ... that double tick.

LRH: Oh!

PC: You know?

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: Looking for the double tick that I had.

LRH: Very good. All right. I'll check that. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? I get a little tick on it still.

PC: Well, I implied that I could influence, I suppose, to a certain extent, if I could "push the button" I said I could "push the button" there and get a double tick.

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: You know, and that - if that was true, then I could push the button any time and get a double tick.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Sort of push the button.

LRH: All right.

PC: That wasn't true, you know.

LRH: Okay. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Very improbable.

I will check it one more time.

PC: Oh, I don't want it to read when - when I can't find anything to - to - (laughs) for it to read on.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: You see?

LRH: All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? I haven't got a reading here ...

PC: Yeah. (sighs)

LRH: ... but subject seems to be kind of mucky.

PC: Well, I've kind of held my breath at times, hoping that I wouldn't get any read, or something on that. Read a body read or - I mean, it was silly, you know? I was sort of holding my breath or holding my body still and holding my hands still to make sure that the E-Meter doesn't read.

LRH: All right.

PC: You know.

LRH: Good. All right.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Okay. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Well, this is a bzz-bzz ...

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: ... sort of question. It isn't reacting very hard, but there's something there. (PC sighs) Feel you gave me a lose by making - I was trying to clean up this double tick, or ...

PC: Something to to with that. No, not so much.

LRH: ... or something Like that? Any feeling like that at all?

PC: Yeah. Well, yeah, maybe - maybe I thought it at the moment when I said "What happened to the double tick?"

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And I thought, well, the double tick should have gone by now, you see?

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: It cleared up with Gernie, then that was the end of the double tick.

LRH: Hm.

PC: Then it came back.

LRH: Hm.

PC: And in I sense felt I influenced the E-Meter, or something, to bring it back on, you know, like that.

LRH: Hm. All right. Okay. Now let me check this question again.

PC: Yeah

LRH: Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? That is clean.

All right. Have you failed to answer any question or command I have given you in this session? Thank you. That's clean.

Have you withheld anything from me? (PC chuckles) It's a trifle latent ...

PC: (laughs) Nah.

LRH: ... but what is it?

PC: ... was thinking there was one - just - there was one question that I may have failed to answer...

LRH: What was that?

PC: ... much earlier, and I'm surprised it didn't react. I was thinking there was one, and it should have reacted...

LRH: Oh, all right.

PC: ... or something like that.

LRH: All right, what question was it?

PC: The one about uh ... "What about those ... meetings in between?" I never did find a meeting in between ...

■ LRH: Oh, all right.

■ PC: ... you see, those two.

■ LRH: Thank you. I'm sorry I asked the double question then.

■ PC: Yeah.

■ LRH: All right.

■ PC: Yeah.

■ LRH: Have you withheld anything from me? I got a reaction.

■ PC: I don't understand what you meant by double question. or...

■ LRH: I ask you a question, you answer it and I ask you another question. I was just apologizing.

■ PC: When was that? I . .

■ LRH: Just a moment ago.

■ PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Let me check this ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... again. Hm? Have you withheld anything from me? Well, this is greasy. (PC laughs) This hasn't anything to do with it.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you withheld anything from me?

There is not an instant read on this.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Withheld? Well, there's a bing on withheld.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Withheld? Yes, there's a bing on withheld.

PC: Lot of things I'd like to talk to you about. I - you know...

LRH: Well, all right. Now, get the question here, now.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Have you withheld anything from me? All right. It looks much cleaner.

PC: Yeah. Uh ... there's a lot of things - I don't tell you or talk about, or something like that. You know, sometimes I...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... I've withheld ... I've withheld communicating to you how pleased I am to be on the course, and how ... how... how ...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... and how many gains I have got and how tremendous (chuckles) I think it is. That's all.

LRH: All right.

PC: You know?

LRH: Very good.

PC: But it s not an overt act. I'm trying to give overt acts that I've done and I've withheld, you know, or something like that.

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Have you withheld anything from me? There's a slight needle change ...

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: ... right there on the end of that.

PC: Uh ...

LRH: There it is. There it is.

PC: Yeah. All right. All right. (laughs) It's very funny. I uh ... I ... got myself in the front - right at the front of the class ...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... this week, under the assumption I was no longer an old - a new student - that I'm an old student. Last week Herbie ... caught me in the third row from the back, in the first lecture, and I uh ... here I - I snuck up to the third row that first day ...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: You know. He told me I could sit in back, you know ...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... new student, next time. Well, yesterday I got in the second row from the front ...

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: ... and uh ... no one caught me at it. If ... if now, as ... a little games condition thing there, and I was just seeing if - if the second week, if you're still a new student, and - and if I wouldn't be (a) I wouldn't get caught at it or (b) I would - could argue my way out that I was a new student.

LRH: All right.

PC: And ... or something like that. Anyway, it's silly.

LRH: All right. Thank you.

PC: Yeah. (laughs)

LRH: All right. Have you withheld anything from me? A halt as it goes, as it comes back up.

PC: Hm.

LRH: There.

PC: Hm.

LRH: There. What are you thinking about?

PC: Well I ...

LRH: There.

PC: Um . . I had an argument with - a little argument with Robin.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: about - after I took over the post.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And uh ... I... I don't know, I didn't tell you about it.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let me check this question on the meter. Have you withheld anything from me? It's just a little roughness. Pretty clean. Just a little roughness.

PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Hardly detectable. A slowed rise.

PC: I'm trying to differentiate between motivators and, you know, overt acts, and what's really a withholds and what isn't, and, you know, I'm still a little confused on that.

LRH: All right.

PC: And uh ... (pause)

LRH: Does that answer the question?

PC: ... a yeah. And I'm not sure what - what a withhold is at this point, in a sense you see?

LRH: Oh.

PC: And uh ...

LRH: I see.

PC: Because it uh ...

LRH: I get you.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, go ahead, if you want.

PC: Well, it's just a "damage somebody," you know? I mean, it's not ... (laughs) See, I'm confused.

LRH: All right.

PC: You know it's - it's that ... that's - it's - it's - it's not a withhold, really, because I wouldn't mind telling you.

LRH: All right.

PC: You see?

LRH: All right.

PC: So I don't uh ...

LRH: Very good.

PC: but if I did tell you it would be kind of a "damage"; then it would be an overt act, then it - you know, it would - the rudiments would go out. And then, you know, I'm a little confused on w-w-w-what's a withhold. It's something I did.

LRH: All right.

PC: And I can't think of anything I did that I, you know, withheld from you.

LRH: All right.

PC: You know.

LRH: Let me check the question again.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Have you withheld anything from me? Still get a reaction.

PC: Still get a reaction.

LRH: There it is.

PC: Right there.

LRH: There it is.

PC: Well I - I - uh ...

LRH: There it is.

PC: Well, it's kind of an overt act now. I changed the franchise thing a - a little bit while I had the post.

LRH: Hm.

PC: And... it didn't really become an overt act until Robin got excited about it when he took over.

LRH: Hm.

PC: And then - then I - something happened.

LRH: Hm-m.

PC: And uh ... I uh ... put in some - made franchises a little stiffer, you know, to get a franchise.

LRH: Hm-m.

PC: And made ... um ... co-audit centers beef it up a little bit to - you know, to get more information to them for people who didn't, I felt, deserve franchises or, you know, because they weren't working at it, you know?

LRH: Hm-m.

PC: To kind of give them a gradient to get up to a franchise. Well, I withheld from you telling you that ... that since Robin had taken over he's - he's switched it back and made franchise very easy to get, you know, and everything else. And I think that's wrong and I withheld telling you that I think it's wrong.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: But it's none of my business anymore.

LRH: All right.

PC: Huh.

LRH: Thank you.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Let me check the question. Have you withheld anything from me? Well, it's clean.

PC: Yeah. Oh, is it?

LRH: All right. Okay. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything.

Thank you.

Squeeze them cans. All right. Squeeze the cans. All right. Put the cans up on the table.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Touch the table.

Now, we were running Feel, weren't we?

PC: Yeah, well, same thing.

LRH: Does it mean anything?

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay. Touch the table. Thank you. Touch your chair. Thank you. Touch that.

Good. Thank you. Touch the table. Good. Good. Touch the top of your head. Good.

Thank you. Touch the table. Good. Touch your chair. Good.

All right. Pick up the cans. Okay. Squeeze the cans. That's much better. Squeeze them again. All right. We are going to let it go at that. Thank you.

All right. Made any part of your goals for this session?

PC: Uh ... I think so.

LRH: Okay. All right.

PC: I think cleaning off this stuff on Jack will help me in Scientology (a) in Scientology, help me in my - in studying.

LRH: Stay in PT while studying? All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good.

PC: And - what was my other goal?

LRH: Sleep.

PC: Sleep?

LRH: Sleep at night?

PC: Uh ... yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no trouble. No trouble. Won't have any trouble.

LRH: You're postulating that, or do you - do you know?

PC: No, I know. I just know.

LRH: All right.

PC: I'll just go to sleep easily.

LRH: You're not trying to make me look good?

PC: No, no. ..

LRH: All right.

PC: No. I - I just uh ... I just feel better, and feel kind of tired, and feel like sleeping, instead of nervously tired. There's a difference.

LRH: All right. Okay. Okay.

PC: Yeah. I've been nervous. And I don't feel as nervous now.

LRH: All right.

PC: So ...

LRH: I see. All right. Well, have you made any other gains in this session you care to mention?

PC: Cleaned up on Scientology.

LRH: All right.

PC: Remembered a few things, that uh ...

LRH: Okay.

PC: ... didn't remember otherwise.

LRH: Anything else?

PC: Mm ... I just feel more rested ...

LRH: All right.

PC: ... you know. I don't feel as frantic as I used to feel.

LRH: Good. All right. Thank you.

PC: I got on television again. (laughs)

LRH: (laughs) All right. Okay.

PC: It's a game. (laughs)

LRH: All right. Okay. Is there anything you care to say or ask before I end this session?

PC: No, but thank you.

LRH: All right. You're sure?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Let me check that. Anything you care to say or ask before I end this session? Thank you. All right. You're all right then, huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right here it is - End of session.

Has the session ended for you?

PC: Uh yeah. (laughs) Yeah, it has.

LRH: Has it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good. Tell me I'm no longer auditing you.

PC: You're no longer auditing me.

LRH: Thank you.