We have a problem here in terms of knowingness. What is a thetan willing to know?

This morning I want to talk to you very specifically on the subject of technique.

Well, the funny part of it is, is the thetan really isn't willing to know anything. We have to get into the line of what is a thetan willing to do? Well, if you can show a thetan he can do something by knowing something, then he's in good shape. Ah yeah, he'll consent to know something then. It's kind of a degraded method of going about things. You'd have to be in a very low-toned society to have this come about but he's willing to know something.

You notice we're covering in the morning, to some degree, the rough case and in the afternoon we re covering the easy case. And that is no reason why you should concentrate all of your auditing talent upon the tough case.

As a consequence, in education, if you teach a child arithmetic without ever showing the child that arithmetic was any use, he isn't willing to know arithmetic. Of course, you're selling him a bill of goods to tell him arithmetic is of any use, anyhow. Funny part of it is, is all you have to do is look at the answer. I mean, he thinks much better in terms of action. When he is a fact, he is doing much better than thinking up some factors to make a fact. All right.

Tough cases are expendable. I mean, the day I found out - the day I found out this thing about the "poor thetan" - the poor thetan. He - this rough, rough, rough, rough case. He couldn't get out - I did this to about five cases, by the way. He couldn't get out. He couldn't move out. He couldn't run concepts and nothing had any reality to him. And he was really - he was really having a rough time.

Your thetan is, then, interested in control. Now, in past - in past work that we've been doing, we've been giving a - giving a lot of - lot of attention to what we've been calling error. You understand that we've inherited a lot of faults in our culture. We've inherited these. They - man has thought about thinking for a long time. They're in the language. They're in the culture itself. They're all over the place. And as we manage to find these and shed them, our knowledge advances. But our knowledge advances as fast as we understand that - understand by our remaining thinking that the thinking we had wasn't necessary. Follow that?

And then I discovered that if you could reduce the morale - the physical morale of the body sufficiently, they'd leave. They had no slightest difficulty in doing so. They were not stuck to the body. They'd kind of get stuck a little bit once in a while when they hit MEST too hard because - that was because they were too close up to it. They had no difficulty. They moved right out - complete, though, with everything they had.

Now, we're very reluctant, you see, to give up any method of control because control means action. And if you can't have action then the thetan doesn't think he has very much. And if he doesn't have very much then life is very dull indeed and he'd just rather not live it. He gets into the state of Homo sapiens because he's approximated Homo sapiens. If Homo - if he limits all the action he can do to the action Homo sapiens can do, then he's in bad shape.

It was the same - but it was the same sort of operation that you and I would - well, you and I would not like to move out of a house that we'd been living in for a long time and so forth with all of our treasured possessions and everything. And somebody suddenly comes along and kicks - kicks us out. We wouldn't like that.

Now, the only time your thetan snaps back into the body and sticks is not when somebody throws a firecracker in his face or not when somebody injures the body in some fashion or not when these - oh, boy, that's action - but when he has been outside the body and hasn't been able to completely control it.

Well, this was about the same frame of mind, about the same reluctance. He was not stuck to the body - this first one I ran. And the succeeding four that I made this test on were not stuck. They moved right out. They weren't stuck.

Get the idea: The fellow is walking across the street. You've got him now, he's a Step I, you've exteriorized him, you've run the first drills of beingness. He's perfectly willing to play ball with you. And this is all right because his body is there and it's under guard and he's certain - he's very certain nothing will happen to him, that you aren't going to do anything to him that's bad. You're not going to recontrol the body or suddenly steal it off of him. So he's perfectly willing to go on with the processing. And he goes out and he does this and that. Then he comes back a couple of days later and by God, you can't get him out of his head.

The thetan has approximated the exact shape of the body as near as possible. And outside of the energy he is generating, that energy which he is packing around is not necessarily impinged upon this universe. Now, think of that carefully.

Or he's been a (quote) Theta Clear (unquote) as far as you could tell for about three months. And you see him one day and he all of a sudden - he can't get out of his head. He tells you he can't. It's an impossibility; he knows. He'd just as soon push and strain at the body trying to move some molecule of the body outside of the body. But he isn't going to just cooperate with you right away.

Now let's take this magazine I'm holding in my hand here and we see that when I reach over and touch this wall here with the magazine, the magazine is impinged upon the wall. The magazine is impinged upon this universe. Now, you understand that? Okay. It's impingement.

Now, what is the factor that has stopped his ability to exteriorize and fly around and enjoy himself? It's he's received a bad moment of uncontrol - a bad moment of inability to control. Now, please remember this because you'll run into it just continuously. He has gotten halfway across the street; he's made his body walk across the street. And he was sitting up on a telephone pole enjoying the street and enjoying the scenery and everything and the body was walking across the street. He wasn't paying much attention to it. And a doggone taxicab came around the corner and turned the wrong way too fast, and so forth, and almost hit his body. And he ran into the lag factor of the MEST universe. We're going to go into this right away. He ran into the lag factor of the MEST universe and it scared him. So he solves the lag factor by being in the body again. He couldn't make the body jump as quick as he thought the body ought to jump.

Okay. This magazine is impinged upon the wall here. And therefore we would be able to run the magazine through the wall very easily if - of course, we had to have had sufficient velocity and so forth, but we would make a hole in the wall, wouldn't we?

And some fellow will get in his car and he'll sit at a stoplight and he may be processing himself or something. He's sitting up on the roof He's driving the car. And he's sitting up on the roof or something of the sort. And as he goes along he stops at a stoplight and he's just up there doping off. He doesn't dope off, I mean, he's just looking at things and thinking about things and interested and so forth. And he isn't immediately aware that he's forgotten for a moment what he's doing.

Speaking of high pressure jets and things like that - you can actually take a jet of water and cut steel with it, and so forth. But it would cut the wall like the bamboo splinter that goes through the palm tree in a hurricane. You could - but it would make a hole in the palm tree. You see this now?

Why? He came up to the stoplight and the stoplight said stop, so his body stopped the car. And this car is not in motion. Well, he's been operating under this slight strain of the body being in motion, you see? And he didn't think those beautiful thoughts that he was - quite - he was kind of saving those - or he was - didn't quite operate the way he thought he ought to operate while the car was in motion. And he suddenly gets in these good, fast licks on the subject of taking a real good look, now, at that girl he saw in the last block. Well, he'll just go back and take a look. And the traffic light changes and there sits the can And it'll maybe sit there for an hour, traffic jammed up, and so forth.

We're taking a piece of the MEST universe - this magazine - and we are pushing it up against a piece of the MEST universe. So we are then accustomed to believe that that thing which is up against something is necessarily convinced that it is up against something. Just because something is convinced it is up against something, we are accustomed to believing that the thing is up against something.

Well, if he comes back and finds that a cop is arguing with his body, it gives him a very bad fright. Because the one thing a thetan is interested in is police because that represents MEST universe. Your occluded case responds fantastically to double-terminaling "I am under arrest." Any occluded case - it just responds fabulously to this. Boy, are they convinced they're under arrest! Why? Because they're trying to hold motion. And that's what the cops are trying to do.

Now, this sounds like one of those horribly obvious points; just like Q and A. The way across - there's this tribe of Indians that had these phrases like "The way to cross the lake is to cross the lake," "The way to eat duck is to eat duck." They had all of these - these maxims by which they guided their way. Boy, they were really identified. "The answer to the problem is the answer to the problem." That's all. That's all it is.

Whatever you say about police, they are only trying to do one thing, and that's stop motion. They're the stop - they're the best approximation of the MEST universe that you could make, really - justice and the police, courts. And the police themselves just - all they want to do is just stop motion.

But let's take this again and now let's realize that we have this observation, this continual observation and thought in mind. We have this continually: that when we take a piece of something and push it up against a piece of something, the two are necessarily touching each other. And if we take the first something and shove it hard enough or fast enough at the second something, we get a hole in the second something and we get penetration and we get damage of some sort against this first something. Now you understand that. I mean I'm just laboring something that we see every day. We put our foot, our shoe, down on the ground. And if it were dirt, we would leave a footprint on the ground.

Someday some city is going to realize this and take traffic out of the hands of the police and thus empty the streets. But as long as traffic stays in the hands of the police there's never going to be any motion of traffic. All they're going to do is slow down traffic and impossibly direct it. They're going to keep it on the street longer - we're using lots of one-way streets, you see. They're going to slow down its speed.

Now just - just see that very clearly because it is true only in terms of the MEST universe and is not true in terms of the thetan versus the MEST universe. He is - simply thinks he is this magazine impinged against this wall. The wall is of one order of magnitude and the magazine is the same order of magnitude, but if the magazine were a thetan, you've got a different order of energy. And the different order of energy, if you please, cannot make a hole in the wall with great ease simply by being thrust at the wall, but only becomes certain that it can.

It never occurs to anybody to put at every block, just willy-nilly... There's too many tools, there's too much steel in this society to balk, you see, at any project that only takes - would take a month or two of labor on the part of a city and a few guys. Every street, and so on, ought to have walkovers or walk-unders. Walk-unders are much superior to walk-overs because they've always had to eliminate later, elevateds.

So we put a thetan in a quart can. Let's see this. We put a thetan in a quart can. He would think he could press against the edges of the quart can and assume the internal shape of the can. Well, he's a very clever fellow because he can only approximate the internal dimensions of the can. And he has to be awfully careful not to slop over because he would not be contained in the quart can - he would be a quart and a half See? Because he doesn't - with the energy he's packing around, at its order of magnitude with relationship to its spatial structure, and so forth - he doesn't approximate this can.

But what's the pedestrian doing in the street? You can ask that question. What's he doing there?

But the occluded case has become certain - it's the only difference between, really, an occluded case and a wide-open one - the occluded case is quite certain that he has. The occluded case knows he cannot walk through doors. He knows this very well. And yet when he's audited, his main concern and his real worry is getting - getting wrong about the way he's approximating the body. And if he's really worried about anything it's because he's not approximating the body properly.

Then they're going to have to make stores - just have to make stores - put truck delivery parking systems below the store. That truck is going to have to go into the basement. He could drive down the street all right, but for heaven's sakes don't have him stop before he gets off the street! And you wouldn't have any traffic problem anywhere in these big cities. But as long as it's in the hands of the police - pam!

You see, he is doing - he is doing a pervasion. That's all he's doing. But he's doing a perfect pervasion and a recognized pervasion. And he gets down Tone Scale to a point where he's afraid to realize that all he can do is approximate. So he tries to reconvince himself by approximating with great exactness.

Well, your thetan has been stop-motioned, stop-motioned, stop-motioned, until he actually thinks the cops are after him. The cops aren't after him. You find the major key in occlusion on a lot of cases is simply - dates to a moment when the person was arrested. You'll find it - you check it back over - I've checked it several times.

And your occluded case thinks he's more or less the shape of the body. And as you maul this character around and give him concepts and so forth, he's liable to assume the shape of some earlier body. He gets upset. And he's sure he's not doing this body. He's a little bit upset. But he knows he's doing a body and this is as close as he can come to it because he can't quite get to the end of his nose anymore.

A fellow was arrested on just some little thing; you hardly think it would've amounted to anything. But all of a sudden he got sick at the prospect of having to go to court and he got a - there'll be a big emotional upset. It'll show up on an E-Meter like neon signs. All right.

And if you really want to make this person happy without clearing him at all, just fix him up so that he'll be able to approximate the shape of his nose and the shape of his eyes and the shape of the back of his head and fill in all the blank spots in the body and he'd be very happy. That's why communication is so vital. He's approximating the same shape as the body. He isn't pervading it.

Control - the ability to start, stop and change motion - is the primary concern of the thetan. And he is using this silly method of "Now, Willie, you run down to the store." Oh, this is really interesting. He goes into this automaticity. And he tells his body, "Willie, you run down to the store." Well, that's obviously very simple, because Mama gets the body to mind. Mama can lay her hands on. And Mama, of course, is not a thetan. Mama's a body. Everybody is in a body in this world, but thee; and thou art a thetan. So to stay in agreement you have to be a body, you see? There aren't any other thetans in the world except yourself.

You've gone a step down, you see, on his ability. The wide, pardon, not the wide-open case, but the easily exteriorized case - the Step I case - pervades the body. He can pervade anything. He can pervade automobiles, light globes, the sun, anything. He can approximate any of these things and pervade them. He can approximate anything and he can pervade anything because he's not afraid to be there. See, he isn't quite that upset about being there.

Well anyway, you get what this is, then? If your thinking is oriented around the basis of being stuck in a body, look how far off we are on our nomenclature and so forth. So let's not orient our thinking on the basis of "stuck in a body." Let's orient our thinking on the basis "Well, he's pervading a body." Well, that's good, you see? That doesn't mean he's going to have any trouble, he's pervading it.

Well if a person goes along for a while, they get that upset about being there so they're not pervading and they're afraid they're just approximating. And when they get a hollow spot in their nose and a hollow spot in the top of their head, they become very certain that all they're doing is approximating and they're no longer pervading. And they get sick and they get very sad because they know now they're a fake.

Now, he's pervading an approximation of the body. And now you've got a body mocked up, more or less, on the same lines as the body. Rrrrr! That's real bad. And this body is approximating the immediate geographical location - this mock-up body - of the human body. And there's enough concourse between the human body and the mock-up body, so the thetan, by controlling the mock-up, controls the human body. And he's real good at it. Don't for a moment think the thetan isn't doing a terrific job of control.

And the main trouble occluded cases have is this computation of pretense. And they're very afraid of being discovered in a state of pretense. They become extremely truthful. All the bad things that you can say about cases, the one thing that you can say rather uniformly about an occluded case is that it - he gets real upset with himself for lying. He's quite truthful.

Male voice: Well, isn't that just a case of collapsed terminals, where he's got one terminal superimposed on another?

Whereas your wide-open case, which is the delusive level above that, which has gone out to the line where they know they can't even approximate - they're just a facsimile. They know this. Oh, they're just - they're one step out. They're very thin. They're not quite there. They can dub in anything. They're going to have to make a mock-up. They're going to have to make a mock-up at every turn because they're really getting unreal there, see? They can't pervade. They can't approximate. Now all they can do is make a mock-up and they'll say this mock-up is a memory. Fantastic that these cases respond. A wide-open case that you think very often is a very easy case - they say, "Got sonic and visio? Oh, yes, yes, yes." They're just doing a mock-up.

Sure. That's right. He's got both terminals collapsed. But he wants them collapsed. Let's not go in for a stimulus-response explanation. It's a perfectly realized explanation. He knows - you know, as you sit here, that you want to control your body. Let's not worry about what you are or anything else; that you know. You want to control your body. You want to be able to light a cigarette when you want to light a cigarette, to keep your body sitting upright in a chair. You want to be able to - to be able, in an hour or so, to walk and you want to be able to talk. In other words, your entire concentration is on control of the body. But you are realizing that you have the desire to control the body. Nobody's whipping you into controlling this body. You can realize it and rationalize it and say, "Well, if I don't do these things, some other horrible things will happen. There will be penalties." The hell there will be.

So they get straightened up by next-to-the-last list in Self Analysis - "Can you remember something real?" and so forth. This case gets real delusive.

Then if you say, "Well, things would really be upset around here if I just left this body sitting in the chair!" Well, the reason you wouldn't do that is because you have other people's problems. By the way, a terrific button: A thetan is only worried about other people's problems. If he up and left the body there, other people are dependent upon this body and he'd be letting them down. And he actually has a terrific level of responsibility although he's pretending all the time he doesn't have.

Now, how do you know the case is delusive and how do you know the case is actually pervading? Well, you'd better look at the general structure of the being himself to get your first alertness to this. Because your wide-open case has endocrine difficulties of magnitude. If you want a single index: Somebody comes wobbling in to see you and stumbling in and androgen/estrogen failure, thyroid failure; the fatty tissue on the backs of the ankles is all shot to the devil; they got diabetes - any one of these various things which designates this. You can take that case and if that case says, "Oh yes, I've got sonic and I've got visio and I've got all these other beautiful things," and so on, you just don't happen to match. This character just doesn't match.

If you start to assess what a thetan is doing - and when you realize, actually, that it's only the thetan that is doing this - you all of a sudden, as that being, become quite a person to yourself. Just realize - people lose sight of these things. You maintain this and do that and square this around and push cars around and do all sorts of things in terms of action. And you can do all sorts of things in terms of appearance and maintenance, and so on. It's really fabulous. The body can't do one of them. You're a smart cookie, in other words - real smart. You can pick up them feet and you can put them down.

But you work this case for a little while, by the way, and they click through into an occlusion and then they click through into an ability to pervade. And when they can pervade, that's fine. They don't have to have any further upset about life at all. I mean, they can pervade.

You go down to the ballet sometime. Boy, you look at a lot of very accomplished thetans. Those bodies aren't dancing. The thetan is pervading with sufficient energy to make that body go through all those gyrations. And although after a while he'll get enough ridges built up on the subject so that he's got a pattern response, he's the guy that put it there. Nobody else put it there. He'll use any system - and boy, you can put this as a password to all investigation - he'll use any system proposed - let's not worry about tested - any system proposed in order to better his control of the body. And if you were to slant what you were doing for a preclear into "make it more possible for him to control his and other bodies," boy, he'd sure get in there and pitch with you - whooey!

But you get them any distance away from - you get anybody any distance away from the body and he becomes unsure of himself He'll throw up a mock-up before he'll pervade something. He'll throw up a mock-up and pervade it rather than just pervading it.

But you tell him to get out, this is silly. Because he's approximating the body and although there can be a light energy interchange (if we misuse the word "energy"), although this is the case, you've got - the body is really convinced; the body's got lots of reasons, you see. It's got reasons for everything. It's really convinced. The body, being so well approximated, knows it's in complete captivity. Thetan moves the body by proxy. It's fabulous. It's a fabulous thing the thetan is doing. Because he is not picking up his leg - body's leg - and moving it aside. He's moving his own leg aside and the body's leg has no other choice but to follow. Well, it took a long time for the thetan to get enough ridges, and so forth, built up there.

So quite often you run Reach and Withdraw (that is, Contact or Step VII of SOP 8) on a Step I. If you are very explicit as to how he does it - which was done here yesterday, which I'm making a point out of - if you're very explicit as to how he must reach and withdraw and so forth, your thetan is liable to get uncertain and things are liable to be quite unreal to him because if you say he has to do so-and-so and he has to do so-and-so, that might not be - might not be his capability of operation at that point. So you tell him to reach and withdraw; well, he'll go over and sit on the wall and then move off the wall. That's good enough.

So you get this rather silly picture of the thetan identifying himself with the body and then controlling the body by controlling his approximation of the body. When you've got his - his pervasion of the body - when his pervasion of the body is perfect, he doesn't put a mock-up coincident with the body. He just pervades the body. And pervading the body, the body does whatever he does.

But if you tell him to put out a beam on the wall and do it this way and do it that way and he gets uncertain about what he's doing because he doesn't put - well, you've thrown him two imponderables. In the first place, he hasn't been drilled on how to handle beams, let's say, or he hasn't even really been drilled much on how to move around. And all of a sudden you're asking him to do this thing specifically and then do something else, which is contact.

Well, how does he do it? High scale - he just simply says, "My legs are moving forward now. This is happening. That is happening." And it happens. It goes on happening, see? He takes over the motor responses of the body and simply tells them what to do. Without verbal command it is probable the body wouldn't obey - without this verbalization control in the society.

I said in the lectures something that should have been modified: I said there was no interchange of energy. I should have said there is no gross interchange of energy between thetans. When we speak of energy, I was speaking of force energy. That's your physicist's definition of energy. There is an interchange of flow between the two and light energies.

Well - by the way, that's not me coughing on these tapes. That's Burke Belknap. And that's - and we got to get - we've got to get Burke squared away. He's got a collapsed terminal on his lungs. Okay.

If two thetans were in wonderful condition, they could probably - probably throw blocks of energy to each other and be very happy about it. But they'd have to approximate each other's wavelength as far as the energy is concerned. Nothing can become more invisible, and more puzzlingly invisible, to something else than a thetan to another thetan. They'll shift their wavelength. They'll become invisible. And they'll shift their wavelengths and they'll become visible.

Who is it Burke, by the way?

Well, a thetan has to be - he has to be, oh, in terrific shape. I mean, he's got to be an Operating Thetan plus, plus, plus, plus in order to shift his energy down far enough - this is just theoretical - shift his energy down far enough to get into solid matter. Now, he'd really have to shift wavelength down. He certainly would be - he'd have to be able to - ptew! - pull everything together.

Male voice: Probably my old man.

But get carefully here - carefully get this: that your thetan is approximating or pervading. And the difference between approximating and pervading is simply that he actually has - approximating - he simply has a sort of a mock-up of what he's supposed to be and then he pervades the mock-up. And in pervasion he simply directly pervades the MEST object.

Probably your old man? When did you take the terminal off him and put it on you?

Well, how does he pervade it? He pervades it by assuming its shape. And then, having assumed its shape, he can then assume its characteristics. And if it has a hard time pushing against walls, then he can assume that he's having a hard time pushing against walls. How neat. There's nothing to it - you see the thetan's pushing against the wall.

Male voice: I was just thinking walking down the street here, remembering one of the last times I was at the house, I was somewhat worried about his health, because he was lying awake all night coughing.

Now, I introduced a drill in the Doctorate Course whereby you went up to the wall and took your theta hands and put them against the wall. It was an effort to show people that they could shift down, but at the time I was overshooting the cases. Cases can't shift down that easily. And you take some guy in pretty good shape, just take his hands, you might say, out.

Oh, is that so?

Now, the second that your thetan stops pervading, as soon as he stops pervading and starts putting a mock-up there and then approximating it - approximating the shape he'd like to pervade with a mock-up - then you start to get into errors. He starts to make errors. He's not in bad shape. And to hell with whether or not he's making errors; you're not worried about that.

Male voice: Yeah. Very interesting.

Most of the Step I's that you exteriorize will immediately go out and they'll make a mock-up of what they're looking at and then pervade the mockup. They won't take a look at what they're looking at and then pervade it. This is just chronic. This is just a chronic upset that he runs into because "Things are dangerous." And that's why you have to drill him an awful long time on Step I. And that's why you go all the rest of the Steps with a Step I.

Did you put a terminal on his lungs then in order to pump enough energy into him so he could control his lungs?

He gets to a point, finally, where if - see, if he can approximate a generator and then sit in the middle of the generator and then be fairly satisfied as to what he's doing, you wouldn't - you'd never explain to him what he's doing. He's doing a good job, really. He looked at the generator and then he approximated the generator and then he occupied the center of the approximation. Mock-up, see? But the mock-up was coincident to a large degree with the generator.

Male voice: Mm. Not consciously.

Now, a thetan is doing this higher on the Tone Scale in a very peculiar way. He'll not just approximate the generator, he will put another generator over the generator. Originally, on the track, this is how he occupied bodies. Boy, when a thetan occupied a body and just simply made a mock-up of the body while he was pervading the body, he would make it heavy enough, solid enough, so that he could then just move his mock-up and the body, being sort of like a fly in a trap, couldn't help but move. MEST couldn't help but move the second he moved. And this is simply a problem of energy.

Well, why don't you just go through the motions of putting a terminal on his lungs. There he is lying there coughing and you put a terminal on his lungs.

Well, let's take the occluded case - making my point very sharp to you here - you just take the occluded case and the case which you run into normally that's in rather bad condition, and you take the magazine and you push it up against the wall. The magazine pushes against the wall. The thetan - Step V, Step IV - Step III, Step Il - he is more certain than certain that he is trapped one way or the other by walls. He's approximated a mockup. See, he's taken this mock-up - approximating a body, rather - and then he pervades this mock-up. And then he fits this mock-up in the body, and he's just having a picnic for himself . He's just all snarled up. And now you ask him all of a sudden to move out; he can't move out because a mock-up is his body. And he's very confused when you ask him to do this. But if the body gets sick, he has to come back to battery and stop his pretending, stop this feeling of pretense, and so on, and just move out and he feels real sad.

Now, let's put the approximation called Burke Belknap immediately coincident with the old man and stop his coughing.

But does he move out of anything? No, he doesn't move out of anything. He's all through, over, on and in. And a Step V is so thoroughly over, through, on and in that he's just a little bit frantic on one point, is: Can he keep lined up with this thing? He's got to keep lined up with it at all times, you see, to play the game right. And can he keep lined up? That's his anxiety.

Now let's put a terminal to that approximation of Burke Belknap.

So he'll happily run any damn thing you ask him to run, and so forth. But don't start moving in to a point which moves his location in space in some other direction or manner than the body, because here's his anxiety. His anxiety is "Can I keep lined up with and approximating the mock-up which I have in the space of the body? Can I keep lined up with the mock-up I am pervading which approximates the body which I am occupying?" See, he's gone too many steps. He's too far removed from an easy assumption of a body. And he's afraid that if he got a little bit moved one way or the other, by God, he wouldn't be able to control that body; he just wouldn't be able to. His primary concern is just that: Can he control this body or can't he?

Now, let's get how certain it's got to be that that approximation keeps on stopping his coughing.

Well now, he gets in bad shape when he finds out that he as a body cannot control somebody else as a body. And of course, he's doing silly things there. That's the silliest thing of all: trying to control with words. Trying to control with words and commands. Ah, boy, there the thetan digs his grave every time.

Okay. Now, take the terminal off your own chest and put both terminals on the approximation's chest.

There's only one method of control if you just have to control and that is force. And then there are devious ways and they're - all fall into the category of words. Because usually people who are anxious about control are also pulling another gag. They don't dare admire anything. Why don't they dare admire anything? They think if they admire something they'll melt this approximation, this mock-up, they've got. They're having a hell of a time for themselves. See, if they start to admire something they're liable to melt and then they'd get out of line with the body.

Male voice: Mm-hm.

Now, if you could think of a black-gauze webbing of some sort which was in the shape of a body which lined up - which had feet and hands and everything - you've got this webbing system. It's black gauze. And bodies are kind of scared of black gauze and they're easy to control.

Feel any more comfortable or...

Now, if you let this... Old friend Korzybski - great guy, Korzybski. I'm going to have to read something of his sometime. When you line up two spaces coincident here, you'll see exactly what the condition is with a thetan. Here's a body over here. It hasn't any thetan in it. Here's a body - just a guy. And now we put this black-gauze approximation of the body - now we move these two things into the same space. Well now, supposing we could just.

Male voice: My God, I can breathe!

If we shoved a little bit too hard, the black-gauze thing would just move on outside and appear on the other side of the body. If we went over there, see, and we gave it a little shove, it'd move three or four inches on the other side of the body. If we gave it a real hard shove, it just goes through. You can shove it up above, you can shove it down through and it would be a good magician's trick. A magician would be very pleased to have a trick like this where he could have a shadow that he could shove, for the edification of an audience, through and in front of, in back of a solid object. The shadow obviously has mass and the solid object obviously has mass. Well, the thetan gets into a terrific state of anxiety because all you have to do is give him a tiny little push and he'll just skid right on through.

Yeah, well, the thetan, of course - and we're going into that right now - various things happen with regard to it. A body will do the damnedest things. But a thetan can and will pervade everything. He just can and will pervade all sorts of things.

He's just got to start thinking all the time. When people wake up in the morning, by the way, they're seldom quite lined up. And they've lain there all night trying to keep the body from knowing that they were wide awake and so they've convinced themselves that they'd better go to sleep too. Their anxiety extends out to having to do everything the body does, you see? They have to approximate everything the body does. They make mock-ups of everything the body does. They guide themselves the same way as they do a body. This is nonsense because they don't even vaguely have to do this.

He'll go around and he'll... A bed - and he's trying to move the bed so he can make it in the morning. And the damned bed won't move. Well, his first impulse - his first impulse - because all of his impulses are going through a whole chain of control things from a tiny gradient scale to a great one - is to simply mock up a bed with the bed and then move the mock-up which will move the bed. That's easy. The body has saved work; everything has saved work. If he were really beefy, tough, on the whole thing, he would be able to get that much condensed energy - force energy - out there and approximate the bed and give it a shove, theoretically. He would simply put enough - one with enough gravity in it, or something like that, at one side of the room and the actual bed would have to come over and hit it - clank!

You see, by doing all these things of identification, you've got a complete identification. And they think they have to have this complete identification to get sufficient solidity - not particularly bad this complete identification, see - get enough solidity to make the legs go and the head nod and the face move and so on, see? They think they have to have all this.

Well, he's been made - the occluded case has been forced to relinquish responsibility for his mock-ups. He's made a mock-up and the mock-up went on working. And about the least admired thing you can think of is setting up something which then goes on working by itself. Nobody would do anything about it, you see? They can't go tell anybody, "For Christ's sakes! Will you unmock that thing!" you know? It just goes on working by itself.

So, they go to the point of being unconscious when the body is being unconscious, being asleep when the body's asleep, and so on. Well, you start to bring somebody up Tone Scale and he'll find himself lying there all night thinking about something else. And then once in a while he'll have a game with himself. He'll have what people have been calling dreams. It's about as much of a dream as it is for you to uncross your legs. I mean, the thetan knows this very well. It's a joke. It's a real big joke he's playing - he's playing on himself.

The story of the little windmill, you know, that went on making salt. Well, this universe is actually the story of that little windmill. It went on making salt. It made salt for this one and it made salt for that one. And they kept turning, turning, turning, turning, turning and it made more salt and more salt that filled up all the warehouse with salt. And finally a guy in desperation took it out and threw it into the sea and that's how the sea became salt. It's still down at the bottom there turning out salt. Well, that's about what happened in this universe. Somebody started making salt and here we've got an expanding universe. It'll just keep on going. All right.

But his other methods of controlling the body are the methods which other people have used to control the body. Now, please, please get that. People have controlled this body with words and commands. He's seen, then, this darn body - he didn't take responsibility for all the things it did, of course; he couldn't - he's seen this body jump up and run and he's seen this body cower and he's seen this body say, "Yes, Mother," on a stimulus-response mechanism. This is wonderful. So he starts saying, "Jump up and run," and "Yes, Mother," and so on, and you get your genus of circuits. He's using this word method to control the body.

Here's your system then. If you could just pervade the bed - you just be the bed, you see - what would that be? Has a bed got any possibility or potential of motion in it? No. No. So you have to use some kind of energy to try to make it move. You could be an automobile and start the motor and it'd run, by pervasion, by just simply shorting enough switches. But again, you would be using some additional energy besides pervasion. So when it comes to handling the MEST universe, the task is to use minimal energy - and boy, does the thetan dramatize this with labor-saving devices - use minimal energy for a maximal effort.

Well, this word method to control the body is no good at all. It's just nonsense. People who start to control other people with words don't get very far unless they have controlled people physically. If they can control people physically fairly easily - that is to say, if they can control the body, you know, reach over and put your hands on a body and fix it in space or lift it up in the air... Toss a little baby around, by the way, if you want to come under - in final command of the baby's body. Not because you command the baby at all but because the baby as a thetan will realize that you can now control the body with words and so he'll start using words on the baby. He's perfectly willing to accept any method of control.

So, there we - there we've got your occluded case. If you see him - if you see him and he tells you he's stuck in his body, well, he's probably stuck in his mock-up. He really is probably stuck in his mock-up. But he wants to be stuck in his mock-up. And his whole concern is that his left arm, as a mockup, will not track with his left arm as a body. Now, that was the essence of that little technique of the Doctorate tapes. If you can just make a thetan pull his mock-up arms forward without pulling his body's arms forward, you've broken the spell for him. See? You have broken the spell.

Now, a case that's become occluded is afraid of relaxing any level or giving away any method of control because his anxiety is on the basis of control of a body. You can exteriorize many occluded cases simply by making them run a concept. Now, this sounds very strange. Try to get them to run the concept on themselves, not on the body. Because a lot of your auditing is just being thrown to the body by the thetan. See, you're auditing a thetan which is auditing a body. You're not auditing a thetan.

Now, a thetan starts downhill when he finds out he can't control another person. He finds out that somebody else is being very unreasonable and non-survival, not providing action or fun or anything of the sort. And he just can't control this person. So your thetan starts to go downhill the moment he meets Mama, Papa. They're big, they don't control easily, and so on. But if you want to see a parent really loused up, in terrible condition, just haggard and shot to pieces, you watch a parent who doesn't realize that baby knows because little baby - the baby is able to mock up and approximate the parents. He's able to pervade, he's able to do all sorts of things. And furthermore, he can - he can actually shoot some energy around. And the parents just get more loused up and more loused up. As a thetan, the baby is in much better shape than the parents. Much more capable of generating energy.

You'd better look at a preclear. If a preclear isn't wobbling around very much and isn't floundering around and doesn't occasionally curl up in a ball and do other strange things, you're not auditing him. You are auditing the - you are auditing something that is auditing something else. A fellow who just sits there rather dispassionately, so on - he's scared to let you take anything away from him, so he just passes it on. And he's very happy about you a lot of the time because, you see, you're helping him out to get this body in shape so he can control it.

You think it's real safe to reach over and pick up - pick up little Billy and give him a good shake and a slap and a bop on the head. That's real safe. That's just about as safe as going out and finding a mama saber-toothed tiger who has three young and start beating the young over the head! You might be able to beat Mama over the head and get away with it, but don't beat over the young.

Well, if you can run the concept on him "I can control this body from two feet behind it," or "I can control this body from the left shoulder," or "I can control this body from alongside of it," why - and, "I can't control this body."

This is the same thing. A thetan is watching this little baby and is probably only partially occupied in pervading the baby because it's kind of dull. And the thetan - the thetan in this particular case is doing everything he should do and is approximating the body as well as he can. But that early, he isn't - he isn't convinced, you see, that he has to approximate even what the body thinks in order to control a body. He thinks the body thinks something and he approximates what the body thinks, in order to make the body think. Well, that's really dippy. There are much better systems. All right.

You'll start in "I can't control this body" on rising-scale postulates and just give him "I can't control this body from a distance. I can control this body from a distance," all of a sudden he'll say, "What do you know, I'm - why not." And he'll just give a shove. And he'll just be at a little distance and find out.

Now, a parent comes along and slaps the baby around. Oh, no, no, no, no. First thing you know, you see the parents getting haggard and the baby getting worse and worse and the baby getting mean and ornery and bad. And the parents getting harassed and worried and tired and old. It isn't that any curse is put on them; they're just simply being knocked to pieces, that's all. Just in outright warfare.

Now if he happens to run into MEST hard or he happens to get into another situation which makes him believe that things are very strange and peculiar and so on, he's liable to get scared.

And in some - you say, "Well, a thetan - you could get a bad thetan." Well, there's no such thing as a bad thetan. A thetan - there's such a thing as a thetan who isn't in a very good state of motion. See, he doesn't - he doesn't - isn't producing as much motion as he should. But there isn't any such thing as a bad thetan or a good thetan. You see, the bad and good things are those things which have been evaluated as bad and good by the class or level of society in which he's operating.

I hope I've made something clear to you. You haven't got an occluded case stuck in a body. The occluded case is stuck, if stuck at all, in his own mock-up of the body. Theoretically, you actually could just tell the guy, "Well, all right. Leave your body on the chair and walk out into the middle of the room." He simply could. Actually, he can do it with ease and would do it except that this question pops up: "What the hell would the body do if I did?" See, that's his whole concern.

And another thing is, after he's been gypped a few times and has an enormously bad opinion of other human beings - oh, boy, he's got a real bad opinion of these other human beings by now. That is, they're untrustworthy. How does break of trust with other human beings and the human race influence the ability to be mobile?

Well, the body has a very limited mobility. Oh, it's very limited compared to a thetan's mobility, which is tremendous. Well, please, please observe that as he sits there, you ask him - untrusting - he doesn't trust other people - you ask him to move out and leave an empty body? Oh, oh! Because all thetans do are steal each other's mock-ups. And when he gets this keyed in very thoroughly, he's about as ready to leave that body ready for occupancy as anything you could think of.

It's not true at this debased level of a society that you would leave a body unoccupied and then come back and find out somebody else had occupied it and was walking around with it. Because thetans that we got around today just aren't that good. They couldn't, all in a moment, get a mock-up thoroughly enough and know this body well enough so as to be able to control this body. And it'd take years to where they could get that body to walk, you see, unless they were really up Tone Scale.

Now, the way they'd go about it, if they were really up Tone Scale... I'll tell you how to steal bodies - this is just offhand, very quicklike. You just simply influence the person - influence the person by putting out little beams and energizing his various ridges and so on. You'll influence a person quite markedly. You can make a person walk and make him talk and so forth, without going into the body. And if you wanted to steal a body, you would be able to generate enough admiration, and so forth, so you'd just burn his ridge system down. You'd just burn his mock-up down, that's all. And then you would simply pervade the body and train it all over again.

You'll find bodies in insane asylums to which this has happened. And they've just lost all their - whole ridge systems.

And the psychiatrist is really daffy. He's trying to blow up this ridge system with electrical energy. Trying to blow it up so the thetan can't control the body at all. The psychiatrist is - really, the reason he acts that way toward the insane, he's afraid of them. He wants to immobilize them. Hold motion again, see. All right.

Now, we're just trying to rehabilitate the ability to cause motion on the part of the thetan, which means that we've got to rehabilitate his ability to pervade rather than approximate. If he can pervade, he'll have enough energy, he's unafraid enough, he can generate enough energy and so forth to do practically anything he wants to do. But if he just approximates and then occupies his approximation and then hopes to Christ it will stay in the same physical location and situation at all moments.

Every once in a while a fellow will get startled and find himself walking a pace ahead of himself. You want to know what the startlement is when you don't have the - when you have one more step than you thought you were going to have? It's not the jar of coming down on that last step. It's the jar of coming out of your body when you didn't mean to. When there's supposed to be one more step and there isn't one step, there is no jar, is there? Well, you get just the same sensation. And you as a thetan take this extra step. And the step is there, obviously, and you took it. And by golly, your leg is out of position. It'll give you a considerable shock in the leg to do this.

Well, I hope you understand this just a little bit better. It's not very hard to understand. But sometimes a guy - a guy will pull and strain at this sort of thing. When a person's doing a complete approximation, he'll approximate all the thinkingness and beingness of a body. And if he concentrates on this hard enough, it's like he's hypnotized.

If you had a fellow sitting up here and you had hypnotized him and you had told him he was a grizzly bear, you would actually see him operating as a grizzly bear. Isn't that right? Well, how did you hypnotize him? Just by fixing and then dispersing and then fixing his attention on one thing and by one thing and with one thing. It's what happened to the thetan and the body. There actually isn't anything really wrong with the thetan beyond the fact that he might have better, more motionable things to do than simply operate one body, see? He's just fixated on this body. So you break that off. He thinks that all he can do is approximate this body. So you unfix his attention on the body, which is to say you extrovert him, because he's too introverted.

Hypnotism is complete introversion on a subject. Being in a body and approximating a body is just complete fixation on a body. And it doesn't mean that a thetan has no more capability than the operation of a body or operation in this universe and no more thinkingness than a body would have. This is not true. He just thinks, to a large degree, that he's doing this. And his anxiety is that he won't be able to control it, because he doesn't think he can be anything else.

Okay. Let's take a break.

Okay. Just adding a few more words here. I've given you some theory and I'm now going to give you a technique. You have numerous mentions on other tapes of Black Spot Processing - Black Spot Processing. It's in one of the SOPs. I think it's in SOP 3, isn't it? - 5. It's in SOP 5. Yes, that's right. SOP 5, Black Spot Processing.

Well now, it's about time I told you how to work this because it is murder on an occluded case, as I said at the time, and so on. But I very often assume that everything we know has been assimilated. And you'll find out - I think it's one of the late Logics - about gradient scales. If you look in the book there, you'll find out the Logic number of it. Has to do with this universe and gradient scales. Very well, let's see what this has to do with it. It's Logic 7: Gradient scales are necessary to the evaluations of problems and their data. Well, this is the tool of infinity-valued logic, and so forth - gradient scales.

Well, let's apply gradient scales to Creative Processing, and we will find out immediately that Black Spot Processing used with this same thing that we were talking about all the way through SOP 5 becomes a bearcat of a technique. And I never found out exactly why auditors weren't having an easy time of it, resolving occluded cases with Black Spot Processing. So I just skipped Black Spot Processing and went on to something else.

Actually it's a little bit touchier and more delicate to use than other processes. And I don't like these processes that require a lot of savvy on the part of an auditor. So there would be two ways a process could get dished. One of the ways is it required too much savvy and the other one, it required too long in order to work. Or the third way, of course, is that it didn't work at all.

Now, let's apply gradient scales to Black Spot Processing and maybe you'll have a lot of luck with an occluded case in a relatively short space of time someday.

You get the person to mock up a black speck - eyes open or closed - the tiniest of specks on the wall and then make it go away. If it doesn't go away readily, have him carve out that chunk of the wall and throw it away. Anything to get rid of it.

If he didn't get rid of that first one, have him mock up two or three more tiny black specks up there and get rid of one of these, you see. And then have him put another one in before you ask him to get rid of another one of these. And put another one in and then get rid of that. And he's got three or four in reserve, or six or eight in reserve, so he feels fairly comfortable, you see. He's not wasting anything. He's got lots of it; it's obviously in abundance. And the blackness is of value, you see. People use blackness to blind other people's mock-ups.

All right. How does this technique follow? The tiny black spot vanished and then another black spot vanished, until you get a little bit of a line charge off of your occluded case - just a little laugh. It's getting easy, you see. And he's got good certainty on it, finally. And then you just give him another big - another black spot, a little bigger, and then make it vanish. Another black spot, a little bigger, and make it vanish. And then you give him a couple of black spots and make them vanish. And you work it on continuous successes on gradient scales.

Now you get him up to a point where he can mock up a black sphere and make it vanish - a tiny speck with three dimensions. And then another tiny speck with three dimensions. And then you finally get this up to where he can mock up and let go of a pretty good-sized black sphere. He can do this with his eyes open, by the way, or his eyes closed; but he puts it on the wall. All right - gives it a precise location.

Now you've got this sphere. Now let's move this sphere above his head and below him and behind him and on both sides of him and just handle this sphere. Then let's have several of these spheres and handle them. But each time creating and destroying them. Making them vanish, you see, go. Now when we get through with spheres and he's got a great deal of expertness in spheres, put him into squares - square black spots.

Now you've got a few more square black spots and you distribute these around in the same fashion. You move them around, in other words. You move them around him, behind him, in front of him, below him, on this wall, that wall, on another wall and so forth, until he can easily move around and change the size of and vanish a black square.

Well, now you made him handle a solid already, didn't you? And I point that out carefully It was a circle or a spot - circular spot - speck - and it became a bigger speck. And then you handled that all around the body. But each time he was putting it there and then making it go away and putting it there and making it go away, until he did that easily. Then, you got a black circle. And then you got bigger and bigger circles. And then you finally got a tiny sphere. And then you got more and more spheres. Then you finally could get rid of - you could get rid of spheres with great ease. And then you take up - after you've really got great big spheres of this stuff - then you take up cubes.

Now, a word of warning: Don't take up cubes until you have already taken up spheres. And don't take up a cube until he's really gone a long way on this and is getting very cocky, very self-confident. And when he gets very, very self-confident about this, give him a cube. Give him a tiny, little cube and then a little bit bigger cube. And then give him five or six cubes. And then move these cubes all around, and so forth. Because you're handling the pattern of three-dimensional space when you're handling a cube. And you re also restimulating jails and other things. And if you all of a sudden gave him a cube, you'd find out that the case quite normally bogs right there at that point, if you gave him a cube before they're able to handle spheres. Sphere and then cube. All right.

This is the way it handles with most cases. Because these cases - having been educated in cubical rooms, and that sort of thing, blackness is sticky. They were repressing white in cubes. They repressed white. They repressed the whiteness of the page in a cube for a long time and this is reading. And so they get a black cube and they have difficulty.

Yes?

Male voice: I seem to be able to handle the cubes all right, but I have difficulty with the spheres.

Well, for heaven's sakes then, if we have a reverse of this case, then, we've got somebody hanging around Mars. And - or we're hanging around - we re running into space opera. Black stars are the horror of your space boy. Because they sit there and they're completely invisible. And all of a sudden there's a dull crush and he's into this molten mass of radioactivity and that's the end of his ship.

Well. Let's take a look then... If he's, by the way, has been personifying his ship and being his ship for a long time... On navy men, by the way, you ought to run their ships out. "Mock up a ship. Be a ship. Let's duplicate that ship. Now let's be that ship. Now let's not be that ship," and so forth. And boy, you'll pull them off of more - those ships are shifty, you know, and they still got anchor points on them. And every once in a while they'll get a visio as they're processing, of the ship and waves and sea and bridge and...

Like if you ever process a truck driver or a fellow who's driven an awful lot, you'll keep getting roads, roads, roads, roads, roads - my God. And in this mechanized society, where you have lots of roads, nearly everybody sooner or later will get roads, because they're collapsing points. See, the points of the road keep coming in on them. They have to approximate the road all the time and then this collapses on them. A great mechanism for driving a whole society into slavery.

Anyway, this Black Spot Processing just goes up on this gradient scale of handling little tiny dots of blackness. If you do this very adroitly and very kindly and with great security on your own part to the occluded case, he all of a sudden is able to make blackness appear and disappear at will. And his occlusion is simply blackness and he could make, then, his own blackness simply vanish.

And it's the easiest process of them all. And auditors have had a devil's own time with it. And they have had that devil's own time because I didn't hand out the dope, I guess. I never gave an example; I've never given this much of a rundown on Black Spot Processing. I'd just tell people to get a black spot on the wall and when they'd get a black spot on the wall with great security and that sort of thing, and move it around a bit, why, ordinarily, in my experience, my - the cases I was operating with this on - it would just kind of blow in all directions.

But I researched my auditing just a little bit and I found myself handing this out to a preclear the other night. And I sat back and I listened to myself for a short time. And I've just given you what I heard. And this, evidently, is the way I have been handing out my Black Spot Processing, now, for about five or six months. And I wasn't handing it out that way at that time. But I would just make the guy get great security on it. And boy, their certainty comes way up when they're able to pick up and put down a black spot whenever they like. This keeps them, then, from holding all that blackness in reserve.

What's the blackness good for? The blackness is to - used to blind and spoil somebody else's mock-up.

If you just run this: "Somebody else is putting up a mock-up of a body. And then you put up a mock-up of a body and then have somebody else put up a mock-up of a body and then you put up a mock-up of a body," about the third time you put up a mock-up of a body it would be - splat! - right across the eyes and it'll all go black.

What's this? This is just somebody else's method of getting rid of a mockup. What's the only thing you can really upset a thetan with? Blind him. That's the only thing you can really upset him with. So running overt acts on blindness will, actually, turn on occlusion on a case. If you keep a case processing his own blindness - that is to say, running out all the incidents - running out all the incidents - or if you just keep mocking up and feeding the bank with an enormous number of overt acts of blindness - that is, feeding the bank, you know, leaving these things around, and so forth - you'll turn on occlusion.

How is this? Any way that you do it, whether it's that way or the other way, just remember the rule this way: You can turn on occlusion by making the thetan motivator hungry. We're going to go into that right now.

Motivator hungry; overt hungry. A person's had so many things happen to him that he's never done, that he now becomes starved to do something. And so, in that case, you let him do overts. And the case has done so many overts, without anything happening to him, that he's now starved for motivators. It's out of balance.

And this works on anything. And yesterday I gave an example down there on the stomach.

& Now, you get - of course the stomach is guilty of much more - many more overts than it is motivators. Obviously, because it's alive, isn't it? And it's always been eating, hasn't it? And you get somebody with ulcers, you just get him get things and people and particularly parents and things like that, eating his stomach. Just have his stomach mocked up and have them dine upon it. And you just keep this up until he gets his stomach very well eaten many, many times. And when he gets his stomach eaten enough times, all of a sudden his stomach trouble goes away. Not because you've run out a flock of engrams or... It's simply that you've given him the motivator.

Well now, a thetan who is occluded is motivator hungry. He's a lot of things - but he's motivator hungry for blindness. He has blinded more mockups than he has been blinded and so he's motivator hungry. He's holding this blackness up, he said, "You see? You see? You see? I'm - I'm - I'm not guilty. It was done to me more times than I did it. Because I've got it, haven't I?" And that doesn't happen to be the case. He's saying - and oh, and by the way, his thinking will follow this same pattern. The fellow who says things are bad - "Oh," he says, "my parents did the most terrible things to me and the government's done the most terrible things to me and people have done the most terr..." - all he's trying to do is mock up, in his conversation with you, a sufficient number of motivators. Only trouble is, he isn't mocking them up. He's not solving his case worth a nickel. He theoretically could, though.

Hippocrates said a person wasn't well of an operation until he'd told his friends about it five times. That was Hippocrates' idea of running out engrams, I guess. But also, this person really, on the other side of the picture, had he put it on the track five times, would have had approximately five more mock-up operations. He was hungry for the one or he would never have had it. Now he adds five more operations to it and this just about balances the budget. Now he can be happy about it.

But people who complain about things having been done to them are motivator hungry. And what you do is mock up things - bad things - happening to them, particularly eating. And people who talk all the time about the horrible things they've done are overt hungry. Now, these are two common phrases and something you should remember and use in processing. You use these things continually.

I point out how new this data is. It is on the 8-80 tapes of - it's on the 8-80 tapes that were given - the Phoenix lecture series - June of 1952.

Now, motivator hungry, overt hungry - and these two things turn up in every preclear.

If you're just doing an office practice, which is to say somebody comes in and five minutes... The best way to do an office practice, by the way - if you're just going to do an office practice and interview people - is, at this stage of the game, never give an hour's processing or two-hours' processing. Process them until you've gotten some good. Because as far as remedial techniques are concerned, you could actually whiz along on most of the cases too fast to occupy much time.

Somebody comes in, he's got a sore foot and you fix up his sore foot and - pam! - that's that. How long did it take you to fix it up? Well, it might have taken you two hours to fix it up and it might have taken you six sessions to fix it up, but that would be a very rough case. With techniques which you are learning and using right now, you should be able to fix it up in ten or fifteen minutes.

That's about it. That's about all it amounts to.

All right. You got that classification?

Okay. What's wrong with a person who complains about his parents all the time?

In terms of what I just said. What's wrong with him?

Female voice: He's motivator hungry.

That's right. From whom?

Male voice: His parents.

That's right. The parents. How do you remedy it?

Female voice: Giving him. much more of the same.

Hm. In mock-up form?

Female voice: Yes.

That's right.

All right. What would you do, to somebody who sat around and told you the brutal things he had done to people?

Female voice: Have him mock up overts.

Mm-hm. That's right. He's just trying to run it out. Complete identification.

What is the name for what is wrong with him?

Male voice: Overt hunger.

That's right. Overt hunger.

Okay. Now, what is wrong with somebody who complains about his wife all the time? What's wrong?

Male voice: It's motivator hunger.

Mm.

Male voice: ... from his wife.

That's right. And how do you remedy it?

Male voice: Have him mock up his wife doing horrible things to him.

That's right! That's right.

Are we interested in what the actual condition of his past is? No. That's right. Do we have to prove or demonstrate the fact that he actually was the guilty party in this case?

Female voice: No.

Of what alleged science is this the technique of?

Male voice: Scientology.

No, that's psychology that gives that other.

Male voice: Oh, you mean the proving - proving he's done something.

That's right. What alleged science? We've got psychology and psychoanalysis and they point out to him that he is guilty. And this is nontherapeutic but it certainly keeps the patients coming in for a long time.

All right. One other thing I want to say about gradient scales. Did it ever occur to you - I've just gone over Black Spot Processing - did this truism ever occur to you? It's one of these terribly obvious things like "The fellow whose stomach is in bad shape is guilty of more eating than he has been eaten." So that's obvious.

But is this as obvious: the gradient scale of creation and destruction? Since I have heard several people here recently mentioning a preclear and classifying him on the grounds that he couldn't destroy or get rid of a mockup - and this is with great surprise to me.

Listen to this: gradient scale of creation and destruction for those who cannot create and destroy. That is the remedy for people who can't destroy mock-ups. Now, let's get that: the gradient scale of creation for those who can't create mock-ups and the gradient scale of destruction.

Now, what do you get him to destroy in the first place? The beginning of the gradient scale is nothing. "Now, let's put up a small spot of nothing there. Now let's create this small piece of nothing." The fellow's sure he's got a small piece of nothing. You say, "Now, uncreate it." Very well, he has created and destroyed nothing. All right. And we just go on from there.

Now that - he has a persistent mock-up; he has a witch from Haiti. Oh boy, he's going to get real wild! And he'll tell you about this, finally, in confidence. If you run some preclears on an E-Meter you'll be amazed how complex the mind thinks it is. And you'll run them and you'll be surprised how long you could process somebody without finding out some peculiar, horribly interesting manifestation, such as, there is a witch doctor from Haiti who beats a tom-tom on his left shoulder every Friday night. And this is really what he's worried about. He isn't even able to look straight at what manifestation he's worried about, you see? He doesn't tell you about it.

So I normally put a preclear - if I'm processing - to go for broke on the processing of creation and destruction, I say, "Well, now, is anything worrying you?" And if the needle remains relatively calm I know that I've got a very fast case. But that doesn't happen. The guy staggers around and fools around and all of a sudden you get a stuck needle, see. You just - bah-boom! You just faced him right in on it.

"What is it? What is worrying you? Is it in the field of yourself and your physical behavior? Is it in the second dynamic? Is it about children? Is it about your wife? Is it about your parents? Is - does it have anything to do with any group, any social group, any club, any sport club, anything like that? No? Well, all right. Does it have to do with a political unit? Does it have to do with the government? Or any government? Or any type of government? Well, does it have to do with men? Does it have to do with women? Does it have to do with objects? Objects? Does it have to do with spaces? Does it have to do with energy action of any kind? Have to do with time?" Of course it would have to do with time.

And then we say, "Well, does it have to do with animals? Does it have to do with insects?" Just go on up the rack then, of the - pardon me, I got those two in reverse. "Have to do with animals? Have to do with insects?" first - if we're going up the dynamics - and then "Does it have to do with mass, energy, space, matter, time," and so on.

And then, for goodness sakes, don't omit this one: "Does it have to do with ghosts? Ghosts? Spirits? Guardian angels? Guiding thetans? Christ? Buddha? Mohammed? Does it have to do with any great teacher? Any religion?" And then, of course, "Does it have to do with God?" And for heaven's sakes, we talk so much about eight being God, don't forget that it's also the Devil! "Does it have to do with Satan? The Devil?" and so on.

Well, somewhere along the line this guy will do a slap. And you can normally expect a slap of some sort around dynamic seven - spirits. You. can really expect a slap. If he's terribly bad off you'll get slaps around God. And when you get no slaps anywhere except on seven and eight, this guy's almost dead.

Well, how do you remedy these things? Use gradient scale. You get him to create and destroy.

Now the reason creation and destruction will stick with auditors, and so on, and they - and we more or less walked away from the technique in general use, was not because it's unworkable. Believe me, you find this guy's got a consistent image in front of him. Well, don't use - don't use Admiration Processing or something. You've got an immediate problem on your hands. Till you clear up that problem you've got trouble.

He always can see his first wife or something like that. He always has a picture of his first wife. Or he has it every once in a while - a picture of his first wife. Real trouble. And this worries him. It throws him off track. You try to get him to make a mock-up - there's this damn picture up there. And he may never tell you about it. That means he can't destroy her He tried and he tried and he tried. He used strychnine, but he didn't have enough - enough courage to put it in the coffeepot. He used this, he used that. And he wanted to beat her to death - anything. Because the police - then he got tangled with police. And every time he wanted to beat her head in, he thought to himself "Well, I can't do that because they'll put me in the electric chair, these arbitrary dogs." And maybe this woman was very, very, terrifically liable - I mean, for everything. But at the same time, it wasn't done, you see? He couldn't destroy her.

Or he couldn't destroy Papa. Papa used to beat up Mama all the time. And he tries to destroy Papa; he can't destroy Papa. Or he tries to - he can't destroy Mama. And Mama used to bang his head in all the time. Something may be going on in this case.

Well, how do you get him to do this? Well, you get the furthest object that you can think of that would vaguely be connected with this picture or persistent image - vaguely connected with it. The tiniest thing. Now, you could get him to destroy a shoelace - an old, moldy, broken shoelace. And then you finally get him to destroy one of Papa's shoes (if it's Papa, let's say). And then you get him to destroy one of Papa's shoelaces and then get him to destroy one of Papa's shoes. And then you get him to destroy something or other that - well, there was a blade of grass which had been mowed off Papa's grave and was thrown on a pile somewhere, and you get him to destroy that blade of grass like that, you see? Now you get him to destroy more and more and more, until all of a sudden, my God, he can put Papa up there and blow him up with the wildest abandon. And it may be just one character on the whole case and the case just goes poom! Just falls apart. Who cares. He created and destroyed.

Somebody rushed in to me one time and told me that a case that was in terrible condition could create and destroy anything! And therefore this proved that the technique was not indicative of anything. And when I started to get kickbacks from the field of this character, I skipped it, as far as the field at large is concerned. This means it's not a good process.

I checked this case later. Yeah, this case could destroy and create, in terms of thought postulates, anything, but couldn't get a picture of a single one of her family! But she would tell the auditor...

"Now, all right. Get a mock-up of your mother"

"Okay. I have one."

She didn't see any mock-up of her mother She would just say, "Well, I can't really see these things, so I'll just assume one is there." Naturally she hadn't had a mock-up of her mother.

Well, how would you get her to assume this? Simply by gradient scales of processing. And the other, remember: a gradient scale of perception for those who cannot see. You see how easy that one would be? A gradient scale of perception for those who cannot see. Have them see things they can see. They can't see in mock-ups; have them see something they can see. And then have them see a couple of more of these. And then have them see a lot more of these. And then have them see these in various locations. And then finally - everybody's always got a picture - and then have them see these in bigger and then smaller and then turn them around and look at the backside of them. Whatever they're looking at, you see? And you just keep on.