Yes?

Well, here we are, fourth lecture, 20th ACC, July 17, 1958. Just like that.

Male voice: I would like for you to go into that thing about your intention to help is so strong that it surpassed or exceeded the point where you decided you'd failed. You picked up the guy's identity to continue with. Could you straighten that out some?

And you are many days deep now into becoming even more expert than you already were, seeing as how you were already expert auditors. There's no doubt about your expertness. You've got a tremendous grasp of the subject. You have a good grip on your preclear. You've got the whole thing taped. The data that you want to get at, all of these things, you've got it just squared away and all you have to learn now is Scientology and how to audit. So, let's go.

Well, it's probably the primary basis of valence shifts. You tried to help somebody, tried to help somebody, tried to help somebody.

Now, as we look over your current processing we discover that you are - the furthest up along the line are doing short sessions. Right? And you undoubtedly now, at this time, know all there is to know about a short session - except how to begin it and end it.

All right. In life, let us say you got married, you got a job, you did this, you did that, you gave up a lot of pursuits one way or the other to help somebody. Help your wife, you know. She didn't like dancing so you forgot about dancing. You know? And she was very fond of living in the country; you didn't much care for it but you went into the country. Get the idea? You made certain investments, you took some special training so that you could improve your job so that you could work from nine till five instead of working the midnight shift, or something of the sort. You know? All these things you did - you were trying to help somebody. See? All right. They blow up, leave, disappear out of your life for some reason or other, you see? Now you're hung with all of the computations which you did for their sake so you make that person responsible for those computations. And you go flip. Get the idea? Because you don't put the brakes on all of your help. If you were to cut off each method of help which you used to assist that person and terminate each one of those, you'd never do a valence flip.

If you never learn anything else, please learn to start and end sessions. There are people walking around the world to this very day who had a session which wasn't begun, which continued in 1950 and nobody has ended yet.

They disappear, run off with the chauffeur or something of the sort. And you suddenly realize this is happening and if you realize at the same time that you're still strong and good-looking and can get a hundred thousand girls if you want - very few fellows who are suddenly deserted ever remember this, by the way and girls never remember this either. They forget all about this sort of thing. But if they're clever and they know something about life and livingness, and so on, all they would have to do is turn around and see all of the places where they had grooved in to help this person, you see, and terminate those too and they'd never do an apparent valence shift.

You think you're just doing drills. You can't just do a drill in Scientology without having something happen. Now, your TRs prove this. Every once in a while somebody goes halfway through a Comm Course, comes rushing up to the Instructor and says, „My case has just cracked up in flinders and I see where I'm going. And so on,“ or „My student, while I was coaching him, got this tremendous picture and he knows that's the most significant thing in his whole life and it's just blown and I feel wonderful,“ and so forth, „and we're really auditing!“ No, but you can't go through the motions of auditing if you do it well and properly without something happening. It can't be done.

They convince themselves of the valence shift because all of these helping mechanisms are still in continuance. The person must be there if the person who is doing the helping is still doing the helping. There must be something there to help. And a person explains it to himself by itself. See, it's obvious the person's still there if you still live in the country, are working on this nine to five shift. If life is going along in that way, then you must still be helping that person. But they're not there so you must be helping somebody so it must have been yourself. But it really helped you - flip - you have become the person and then you are helping that person. You've done a valence shift and you're sort of schizzy from there on. Get the idea?

If there's nothing happening, you haven't clipped the PT problem and the person isn't in-session; he isn't in the room. He isn't on the auditing time track, he's on the physical universe time track. So you really hadn't begun a session yet. Hm? So beginning a session is a gradient-scale proposition. That you say, „Beginning of session,“ does not begin a session, but it is necessary to indicate that point from which, on a gradient scale, a session will commence. You see that? You've signified that a session is going to begin and as far as you're concerned, it has begun.

Audience: Uh-huh.

Now, you take CCH 0, the remainder of CCH 0, and make sure that it also has begun for the preclear. It's quite vital to have it begin for the preclear as well as for the auditor. The preclear is part of an auditing session. I hate to have to stress this fact, but he is many times overlooked.

That explain it?

Now, as you come up the line... I'm being sarcastic this afternoon, aren't I? I'm being mean, sarcastic, cynical. But there is no subject (on which a person who has attempted to teach - this sort of thing) quite like beginning, ending sessions to make an Instructor cynical and sarcastic.

Male voice: There's still a little...

You go into an auditing room, you say, „Well, he understands he's going to be audited and I understand that I'm going to audit him and why say anything else about it?“ You walk out of the auditing room at the end of the session and walk down the street, not having ended the session, and every silly comment you, the auditor, are making to your friend is still an auditor's statement to the preclear. And so for the next two, three hours till he realizes the session is over, you're evaluating for the preclear like mad. You say, „It is a nice day.“ You've evaluated for the preclear if he's still in-session. So get him out of session.

It's a carry-over, is all.

One of the ways not to finish a session is to leave him parked on the track somewhere. Get him back in some past life in the Roman Empire where he's busy being beaten by thousands of slaves or something of the sort and say, „Well, time is up. That's end of session now. Sorry old boy, that's end of session.“ And he says, „Hm?“

Male voice: Yeah.

And you get up and ... Can happen. Can happen.

The first postulate is the valid one. I'll give you the old one, two, three, four postulate, see. But the first postulate is always the valid one. And the first postulate was to help and the next postulate, to destroy, is invalid.

Now, HGC auditors are probably the - undoubtedly the best-trained auditors there are. They get training, coaching, supervision all the way along the line. I doubt seriously that they could be paid enough for what they do. I doubt that. I really do. Because the organization is what it is and because it is going forward, they really don't get paid anywhere near enough. Pay has, with perhaps a few small exceptions, pay has very, very little to do with working as an HGC auditor. Just as pay has very little to do, really, with what I'm doing.

Yes?

Every once in a while people see me dragging some money out of the organization, you know, a great big cube block of money in one way or the other, and so on. And they say, „Boy,“ you know. And then they look around a little bit later and see that we own a new building or we're trying to get some money together for an evacuation center or something like that. And that's all gone, you know. And I'm looking around for money to buy the new baby some new shoes or something like that. And they think, „Well, what did he do with all that money he had last week?“ Well, that's already expended into, back into Scientology one way or the other. Sometimes, perhaps, not economically, but certainly expended.

Female voice: Doesn't it also really kind of prove what you were saying here? You said if he'd just turn around and look. If he doesn't turn around, he just keeps going right out and then becomes that terminal.

Now if money was everything, if money was everything and an auditor's skill was determined by the amount of money he received for his services, why, obviously the best auditor in the world would be Menninger.

That's right. That's right, particularly if he refuses to look at the terminal anymore and turns away from the terminal, then he doesn't as-is the shadows of it and the shadows are still there and he runs straight into the shadows. Then after that he's a shadow.

Audience: Yeah.

Yes?

That's right, isn't it?

Male voice: Does this begin with a matter of opposing goals?

Audience: Sure.

Usually.

If you follow out this reductio ad absurdum, why, you get to some absurd answer like that. The Menninger clinic is one of the better con games going on at this time. They have even a saying in his hometown: What does he do with patients? Well, he keeps them in his place until all their money runs out and then he shifts them across the river to the state institution. Now, that's what they say in his own hometown. That's what they say in his state and this is true. These people operate totally on the ninth dynamic, the buck. And they don't get very far. They don't get very far.

Male voice: Trying to help someone with opposing goals than yours?

Well, it's all right to make some money providing the money isn't made pointlessly. Money made for its own sake causes revolutions known as socialist states and that sort of thing. Money made for its own sake perhaps is a game, perhaps it's all right, and so on, but it's one of these very thin purposes that easily blows up.

Yes. And it's already in extremis to change all of your goals to help somebody.

Now, completely aside from the money involved, every now and then a preclear is startled by having the organization insist that he pay something. You know? Every once in a while. And now and then somebody is very startled to have his money handed back to him. Equally startling. Almost anything that happens with regard to money is startling evidently.

Male voice: Yeah.

We just went down - tremendous thing has just happened here in the last few weeks. Fernando went down to Cuba, handled a case down there where the woman wasn't going to live another two days, something like that, brought her back to life, put her in some kind of order. Found the whole family was psychotic. He was actually in action in the middle of a very psychotic sphere. And when he had helped, they of course went straight over to destroy and they made all sorts of trouble for him. They tried to throw him in jail because he wouldn't stay there for the rest of his life and audit this person.

Just like it would be in extremis for an auditor to assume the goal of succumb for the preclear.

We had followed through our bargain; we had saved the person's life; the person was now alive. This was much to the surprise of the medicos who were in attendance on the case. But these people became very brutal when they realized he was not going to stay there forever and money didn't have very much to do with it. They had a sort of a slavery complex and they had the example of Castro who has captured some forty-three, I think, American servicemen and spirited them away into the hills. So they thought they could spirit away an HGC auditor similarly.

Male voice: Right.

Well, instead of them spiriting him away, I spirited him away and he arrived in another port and outside of Cuba last night, which was a great relief to all of us here.

That would be something if - if I'd have a goal that it - a Scientologist doesn't have goals of this character but let's just use one. He has the goal that this person is going to go back to work and become a reputable citizen. See? He's got this as a goal. And the person wants to become a disreputable citizen and never work again. And in order to help him, then the Scientologist would say, „Well, we'll have to audit him in the direction to uninhibit him so that he can be a disreputable citizen and never have to work again.“ By the way, it wouldn't work, his doing this, and it would be a total surrender of your original intentions. So you've been a traitor to yourself. You see? So your task, if you are going in that direction at all, is to shift the direction of the fellow's goals - sometimes quite tricky.

Now, this is an example of money. In the first place, not a - a great deal more money than was offered, much more money in avalanches, would not have compensated the organization for the loss of Fernando's services for more than a few weeks. You see? I mean, they could go on and say, „Well, we'll give the organization a thousand dollars a week for the next fifteen years just for Fernando to stay here,“ or something like that and we would have skipped the whole deal. See? That's not the operation. It's getting the job done.

Male voice: Hm.

You need enough money to get the job done. If you don't concentrate on it a little bit, you very often find yourself not getting the job done because you're too short of money. So money does have a relative value with regard to getting the job done. In the HGC, auditors are not paid anywhere near what they are worth. That's very, very true. I don't think anybody in the organization is paid what he's worth, just by common industrial standards. You know? Our hope, someday, that they may be - there's every hope of this - their income increases and so on. And the income which they make is what the organization makes.

But it's done on a basis of contribution. If he'll help you enough, he will also help you by assuming your goals on the basis that they're your goals. So if your goals are always the goals of an optimum solution, they covertly were his goals in the first place too. See? And you always win. An auditor is liable to get, if he gets too good, in being in the horrible situation of always winning.

But that has very, very little to do with the skill beyond this - beyond this: you could not run, even if you wanted to and even if everybody on staff were willing to work for nothing and subsist on air and mock up their chow, you couldn't run in this society at this time a free service - could not be done. You must always remember that in your own practice.

Yes, Jack?

You - the trouble you will have will be the people who are riding the gravy boat down the stream, because they're not helping you and there's no cross flow of help. The help is all one way and it gets stuck in that direction.

Male voice: Yeah. Uh, it looks to me, Ron, as though affinity is the creation of willingness all the way up the line. So, therefore, if the auditor can create a pan-determined willingness in the session, he's got it made because he can - not all the time violate mechanics, but he can to some extent violate mechanics and yet, with the creation of willingness, still achieve his goals. I'm not suggesting he should, I'm just saying it's possible.

So somebody - people have to be charged something before they can be helped. I remember vividly many years ago having to cure a fellow of his love of money before I could cure him of his stammering. I had to cure him of his love of money so he'd pay something to have his stammering cured. That really took some doing. I made him give me a five-hundred-dollar check to handle his stammering and when his stammering was all over and he was all set and so forth, I gave him back his check. I wasn't interested in his check - and he started stammering.

If his willingness parallels an optimum solution...

Interesting experiment, isn't it? We understand it much better now. I couldn't quite make head nor tails of it at that time. But that's more or less what it amounted to. Right? Well, all this adds up to is, good or bad, your preclear must be willing to contribute something to the session. Money, attention, presence, so on.

Male voice: Yeah.

Well, when your preclear is busy contributing heavily to the physical universe on terms of a present time problem he, of course, is contributing very little to the session. And therefore, he will get angry at you because the help factor is upset. He can't help you run him, so therefore he is more likely to blow session and get angry with you. Do you see? This two-way help flow is very badly upset where the preclear is really not contributing to a session.

.. he can pan-determine it without having to pan-determine it really at all because it's already there in the preclear.

A preclear himself must contribute to some degree to a session. Now, this becomes difficult when the family brings somebody in to the HGC who himself does not want what has been purchased for him. Now, he himself hasn't paid for it, has he? He is being helped already by the family and now the auditor comes along and starts to help him. Well, in such a case you run immediately into help before the session is even begun. And actually trying to audit anything before you get up to help becomes very difficult because the first thing you've got to solve in the case is the contribution of the preclear to the auditing session. And that contribution has to be real, it has to be actual.

Male voice: Well, the willingness - what I'm getting at here is, you can get a mechanical two-way situation. Remember, we used to run, „Hello...“

The first way, however, of enlisting this in the gradient scale after you start a session - of enlisting this contribution and this aid - is by alignment of goals. Now, if he will simply contribute a goal to the session, you see, you have him helping a little bit.

Mm-huh.

Now, if his goal is in line with his PT problem, you can get him to contribute his PT problem to the session. And of course, everybody knows problems are valuable - very often quite a sacrifice on his part to give up a problem. But again, this is a contribution. It's offered information, isn't it? One of the first things you've got to get a preclear to do, then, is contribute to the session as soon after it begins as possible.

Male voice: „... I'm fine.“ You know, that bit.

Now, if you're on an obsessed „got to help everybody“ - „can't be helped,“ you will refuse his contributions and you never get a session running. This seem clear to you? Seem reasonable? Hm? His presence is a contribution. If he can contribute his presence and then contribute his attention and then contribute some information, why, you're off to a good start. But he's got to give this session something.

Mm-hm.

Now, he can't give the session anything in terms of money after you have arranged for the auditing. That's over and done; he's already made a contribution. You see? But we're talking now about the beginning of session.

Male voice: If you could run it for hours nothing would happen. No willingness there. But if you create willingness you have affinity and, therefore, the creation of reality and communication too.

Now, your trick from there on is to increase his willingness to contribute to the session. And if he could be persuaded to totally contribute to the session, give himself all the way up to the session, you would then be over the total humps of his case.

Right. Right. Very good.

In other words, theoretically all you'd have to do is expertly begin a session. And if you expertly began it and carried it forward increasing his contribution all the way - in other words, going on beginning it and keeping it better and better and better, always an upgrade of beginningness, you know; this session is beginning, beginning, beginning, it's better begun, it's much better begun, it's much better begun - you'd wind up with a Clear. You'd never run Help or Step 6 or anything else. It's theoretical, you understand. You get him to contribute more and more and more.

Male voice: Thank you.

Now, as you get him to contribute to the session, so you might be able to get him to contribute to the personal concerns of the organization. You might be able to get him to contribute to the third dynamic situation in the world at large. You might be able to get him to contribute here, there. And the more you can get him to contribute, theoretically - willingly, you understand - why, the more he can receive. You've got a two-way flow going here.

Okay. Any questions germane to these short cycles you're running?

Now, when you find somebody who is totally obsessed on „got to help others“ - „can't be helped for self“ - if he's totally obsessed along this line, he's already plowed in and he doesn't begin sessions well at all. And there your expertness is tremendously required.

Yes?

But one of the ways to do it and one of the ways to handle this situation exactly parallels a case of a little child - very acquainted with this little child seeing as how it's my little child. And the only reason I'm ringing this in is it's just to make it perhaps a little clearer to you about this sort of thing.

Male voice: Question on that end of session. How would it be if you bridged into the end of session, got his agreement and then said, „Say with me, say with me, 'End of session'?“ Yeah, that's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. I go so far as to make the preclear tell me that the session is over. And I tell them that's for me and make them consider they've contributed an end of session. That's quite overt. If you make them contribute your end of session - they have already been contributing to you and what you've just said would be workable, of course. You bet.

This little kid, very sweet little kid, very helpful and very bright, nevertheless had an awful obsession about help: could not be helped. Still a baby falling around on the floor, you offer this little kid a pair of shoes, try to put his booties on it, you know, and rrrrrhhh. You know? Try to give it its cereal, you know, and bluyoow, spit it out. No, I'll do it myself. This sort of a thing, you know.

All right. Now, is there anything you are running into still with the TRs? Hm? Who feels he's had it with TRs? Can't get anyplace, can't do anything about it, hm? Boy, nobody will own up to that one.

And if you let the little kid do it herself, why, she'd eventually get into the groove and eat. You know? But if there was anything direct in offered help... I've seen this little kid fall down on the floor, cry, sob, go into tantrums and so forth because somebody was trying to give her an apple. Get the idea? Here was an obsessed help outflow to such a degree that there was no help inflow possible. It was a bad situation, very bad situation because nobody could do anything for this little girl. Undoubtedly it just got through having a rough time with it in the last life, you know? Everything else very sweet, very nice and so forth. But just try to help her just once...

Yes?

And her nanny and others around the house were getting very baffled as to what they did about this one. Couldn't dress her, yet she liked to wear nice clothes. She'd say, „Give me some of that jam.“ Her nurse would start to give her some jam and boom! But the child asked for the jam. You see? Sometimes it would go this way, „Give me some jam; no, put it on a cracker, not on bread.“ Nanny going right along, put it on a cracker, not on bread, try to give it to the child, the child would roll up in a ball and scream. This is a baffling situation, isn't it? Of course, it's just a little baby, only about two and a half, three.

Female voice: Well, I still feel very stiff indeed when I'm asked just to sit upright and keep a completely straight face.

What do you do? What do you do about something like this?

Yeah.

Well, she had a papa that knew something about preclears and met one or two in his day. So I taught the child to do some helpful things - no matter how difficult it was to teach the child to do these helpful things - more or less got around to it - which was simply, lay out my clothes. It goes much faster to get the clothes out myself, you know, but I never let the little girl show up without persuading her to help me. She could no more than shove her nose in the door than - help me. See? Get me this. Get me that. Very good at it too, you know, very accurate. Better than the older children.

Female voice: And I don't want to carry that over into regular auditing. That's a terrible battle. Now, I never did slop over preclears. I've always looked at them. But this stiff thing seems as though it was a cage or something.

Work herself to death. You know? Go upstairs and get me a pack of cigarettes. Go in the kitchen and get me an ashtray. Always rush off, come back with it, you know. Run around with her tongue hanging out. You know, just zip, zip, flash, flash. Open drawers, get them all squared away.

Well, just for the theoretical sake of it, you should be able to do it without worrying about it and I think that's what your Instructor is working on.

Now, at first the child would be laying out some clothes; the child had to lay out all of the clothes. No assistance whatsoever could be given. You couldn't even indicate the right drawer without terrifically upsetting the child, see. Couldn't possibly do it.

Female voice: I know.

And finally, just this morning, my man was laying out a shirt and the little girl came in, got the shirt out before he could put his hands on it, put it over on the bed, started taking pins out of this shirt. Little girl started taking pins out of the shirt. It's a rather risky proposition, both for the little girl and for the fellow who is going to put on this shirt. The man came over and said, „Let me show you how to take the pins out.“ Little girl said, „Okay.“ And he said, „Now,“ he says, „you put the pins over on the table as fast as we take them out.“ They took all the pins out of the shirt and she passed over into his hands quite happily. Ah, this is an interesting change. It's an interesting change.

That's what your Instructor is working on. There must be something there your Instructor is trying to get at, one way or the other.

Little girl is very calm. I haven't seen her go into a tantrum now for weeks.

Female voice: That's how it is.

All I did was set about in the physical universe to work out this obsessive help outflow. See? I just set it up to work it out, completely aside from the fact the little girl was a friend of mine.

Yeah. I'm afraid.

All right, now let's look this over. In spite of the fact it's always a tremendous pleasure for a father to talk about his children, I have told you that with malice aforethought. I've told you that there were more ways of getting a preclear into session than there are included in the pat processes. Now, this is something. This is something. If you can understand this in this frame of reference, these uncrackable preclears become crackable. Easily.

Yes?

So when you begin a session and somebody seems rather diffident, your preclear seems rather diffident, rather unwilling, somehow or another, even if it takes hours, you've got to get him to contribute to that session. And as long as he doesn't contribute to the session, there's no session there.

Male voice: Well, Ron, I'm having a little bit of trouble with the TRs in this respect: that the TRs are running me while I'm running the session. In other words, I'm always aware of, well, did I create my space? Am I confronting? Oh, yeah? Something like asking a sculptor how he sculpts.

So a session could be defined as that period of time and that activity set up by an auditor and agreed and contributed to by a preclear. And then you have a session. And only with that definition do you have a session.

Male voice: That's right. That's right.

Somebody sitting in a chair answering questions may or may not have agreed to and may or may not be contributing to that period of time and that activity. The apparency is that they are contributing. But you, understanding people by yourself, which is the greatest human failing there is, know that you would contribute to the session. So you say, naturally the preclear is contributing to the session. Not at all true. And when you start auditing a machine and you start auditing a bunch of circuits - his school valence whereby he sits in the chair just apathetically and contributes nothing - you can be auditing a host of things besides the preclear. No, it's the preclear who must contribute to the session. It's the preclear who must agree to the session.

Uh, sure.

I don't try to teach people by rote. I invite their understanding of the principles involved. It's occasionally very upsetting to an Instructor in the Academy when I scant and apparently make light of a drill and rather heavily stress the principle underlying the drill, and then tell the person that if they execute the principle they've executed the drill. Because the Instructor very often finds somebody who is perfectly willing to use this as a total excuse not to do the drill or understand the principle. But I don't admit that. I never have admitted it. I have success in teaching ordinarily because I don't worry too much about this thing.

Male voice: Why I gave you this, I wanted to know how do you get back from this and just know you're doing it all right? Well, it sounds like one of these brush-off answers, but it isn't. It's: you do it. You just make up your mind to do a session that way...

There is no reason to hold back an understanding of a subject if it exists any more than there is a reason to invent an understanding of a subject which doesn't exist. They're equally dishonest.

Male voice: Oh, yeah, I get it.

What is the modus operandi back of CCH 0? It's agreement and contribution of the preclear to the session. How many steps could you put in CCH 0 to accomplish that fact? You could either put one or a thousand.

.. and not to consider that there's any other way and just to do a session that way. And you all of a sudden will find yourself at cause over the TRs and as soon as you do that, they smooth right out.

Now, CCH 0 in its technical write-up is composed of those we have found most effective in beginning a session. They are, as from our viewpoint, the important points. But do you know that they can be done with total lack of effect? It takes this additional understanding of help.

You can take somebody who's been auditing fairly well and then shove all of the horrible, skeletal bric-a-brac at him of communication and all the rest of this sort of thing and get him terribly aware of the bones. And after that he can't tell a hip joint from an eye socket, you know? The way to get him back in the groove - he hasn't lost anything. He's in some sort of a borderline between „It's uncomfortable to know,“ you see, and an attempt to suppress what he is already doing, which is probably right. You know? And it's like somebody studying the Axioms. They very often, a third or half of the way through studying an axiom will restimulate the forgetter, the inhibitor, that they have put on the axiom in the first place. And the axiom is very close to home, you see and this doggone inhibitor will get restimulated to such a degree that they lose their memory of the axiom. And they go over the axiom and they've got it just fine and then the person who is coaching them - helping them with it, you know - looks alertly for them to quote the axiom now and the fellow goes, daaaaaaah. See, it's gone. And then in a moment or two it'll flicker back again and then it will flicker out. And it'll flicker back. And it's just not consistently there.

Do you know that Help itself came into being last fall when I wrote the opening guns of a book to be called „The HCA Student Manual,“ which was never published. There are reasons why it was never published, very few of them having to do with its text.

Well, if he continues to create the axiom, you know, he continues to create the Axiom, he will blow the necessity for the inhibitor and the axiom will blow into view.

Its text is still complete as far as a text for a book is concerned. But after a great deal of this text had been assembled I got hold of the needful write-ups which must now adhese the book, you know, and make it consecutive. And I did several of them. And then I did this first one and it was on the subject of auditing. It has never seen the light of day. It's never even been an HCO Bulletin or a PAB and yet it is the beginning of clearing, because I had to sit down now face to face and analyze what we were doing when we were auditing. And nowhere in the subject do you find a dissertation on exactly what auditing is. It's always been understood. We've always understood what it was.

And something can happen in studying the Axioms which is fascinating: is that they can actually be blown out of the considerations of the person. Quite often happens. The person feels much freer after they've studied the Axioms. They don't quite realize what's taken place.

And the only thing I could boil it down to was help. I remembered vividly in an early ACC we had a couple of students who were wasting help; and I had a big conversation about this one day, about what were these people doing there? If they didn't want to learn, if they didn't want to do anything for anybody and if they didn't want to get any better, why were they there? This was very puzzling. And we went over this and it dawned on me. I said, „Well, they're wasting help. They must be wasting help. This is the most help there is, in their minds, anywhere in the world so they're here to waste it.“ It proved to be true, proved to be true. It was true of both of these people.

Well, similarly, the rules of communication are also buried and you can go through a period of the TRs going flicker-flack. They're in view, very prominent, you know? But then you get at it again and it seems to be going smoothly and then they'll sort of flip-flop on you and you have to retreat and it's whether you're the cause of the TRs or not. As long as the TRs, in your opinion, belong to somebody else they'll continue to raise their heads and bite. But when you yourself are willing to adopt them and take them for your own and create them as you go, why, then they just smoothly flow out and after that not only do the TRs not bother you but neither does auditing.

Well, don't think if anybody could get as far as an ACC with this consideration, don't think you won't get it in the auditing chair. There it is.

Male voice: Thank you.

So help, obsessive help, leads to obsessive resistance to being helped. So people who are obsessively helping are usually obsessively resisting being helped. And this tells you that some fellow could be very, very helpful, very, very helpful and die rather than be helped. He's a fascinating character to get in an auditing chair. He's a fascinating one.

You bet.

Some people believe that Scientologists are harder to audit than people on the street. This isn't true. It's become very untrue, particularly since clearing began to be accomplished rather easily. But if they ever were, it was because we had more people in Scientology who were obsessively helping, you know. And this unwillingness to receive help would then get in our road as far as auditing them was concerned. This didn't make them any less - this is no crime.

Yes?

But understanding this principle will make a session take place with people you have never been able to make a session click with before. This analysis of what we were doing when we were auditing, resulting in this idea of „we were helping,“ in that first essay, was the genus of this help.

Female voice: Ron, on the very touchy subject of money...

Oh, yes, we've known about help and alienists have known about help and witch doctors have known about help. And they very often knew that a mental patient would occasionally be in the middle of an automobile accident or something of this sort and be called upon to help and after that wouldn't be insane anymore, and so on. They also knew eighty thousand other things. You get the idea? There's no evaluation of importance there. That was just one other thing.

Yes?

But here it showed up. And the anatomy of it showed up and the primary barrier to widespread clearing was dropped. This was sufficiently exciting that the HCA Manual became forgotten. Its preface led to such a necessity to analyze everything, in all directions all over again, that it practically scrapped the book. Without ever changing any of the basic principles of Scientology, it nevertheless changed our viewpoint on a great many things, and the first thing it changed our viewpoint on was getting that preclear into session.

Female voice: ... would you mind telling me why it seems to be that around HASI’s there has to be a mocked-up shortage of this stuff? It's an interesting fact, isn't it?

Somebody asked me the other day what's happened to several versions of running Help? Well, nothing's happened to them. They're still there. Wasting help, getting somebody to waste help, of course, is the lowest rung that you can get on verbal auditing. Wasting help. Get somebody to waste help in brackets. You very often do a great deal for the case by wasting help in brackets.

Female voice: Yes, it is.

But it's not stressed because it's not necessary. It isn't a vital process. It just happens to be one of the lower rungs of the whole subject.

We have talks to the staff about this every once in a while. It's true, we do. We do. There isn't any real shortage of it. The truth of the matter is people on staff would rather give away what we are doing than charge for it. This is the first thing we run into, you see.

In nonverbal auditing there is a lower rung - a doingness. If you just get this fellow to contribute to the session, if you just get him to contribute his time, if you get him to be willing to contribute his ideas, if you get him willing to contribute his present time problems or his various concerns to the session, he's helping. Isn't he? And if you do that, knowing you're trying to make him help, you'll be very successful in getting it done. But if you do that just because I said so and just totally on a drill, lacking the intention on the thing, it doesn't become as workable.

Female voice: Oh, yeah, I see.

You're willing to help him. This we agree or you wouldn't sit down in the auditing chair. But is he willing to help you? If he's unwilling to help you, you've had it.

And they don't like going through a via, particularly. And they forget this every once in a while and they'd give away the front of the building if you'd let them.

This was the block over which Sigmund Freud stumbled and fell flat on his face. Sigmund Freud was only interested in himself, his associates and practitioners helping patients and they spun themselves in on it. You should read his essays on the subject and then that last very heartbroken one, Interminable Psychoanalysis. It goes on forever. Sure it'll go on forever. They create a dependency on the analyst by obsessive help and, of course, they make a patient less and less able to be helped.

And then the other way this happens is equally simple: is, the organization does so much - one of these organizations - one of the most complicated organizations in the world from the standpoint of the number of things that it's doing - and to do all these things comfortably would require, oh, it would require the annual contribution that the government makes to psychiatry and psychology. It would require the annual budget of the Ford Foundation or something of this character. And we buy so darn much for so very little that there's always a shortage. There's always so much more we could be doing.

Hence you get this factor of evaluation. You look right in our Auditor's Code and you'll find several things they needed desperately in psychoanalysis. Desperately. If you just took the Auditor's Code and planted it over to psychoanalysis, they would probably get a lot of things done they never dreamed possible, if they'd just follow that Auditor's Code. You know, we gave them no other information than the Auditor's Code. See, they'd get a tremendous number of things done, perhaps.

Talking to somebody the other day, he said, „Why don't we - why don't we just set up a clinic and audit the government?“ Simple, isn't it? Love to do it - be very successful. I never go up on Capitol Hill but what I find myself in an auditing session with some bigwig; get him to start telling me his troubles and we're right off to the races, you know? He generally doesn't know what's happened to him.

But their help goes so far as to evaluate for the preclear. They're always looking for something on the case so that then they can evaluate it for the patients. See? They look for something so they can then sum it up and give it to them. But they look for something, they discover something, the practitioner looks for it, the practitioner discovers it. You get the idea? It's the practitioner that is doing it. The practitioner is doing it and he even thinks that the patient gets well when he goes into the valence of the practitioner. He calls this transference.

It'd be a very simple thing. All you would do is open a nice, big clinic that's very imposing and you - it merely said the Psychological Orientation Clinic or something of the sort, you know, and it had some noncommittal name and just start writing letters. Probably years would go by before they found out it wasn't a government department. It's quite simple but it's just beyond our ability to finance.

Now, here's a fantastic parade of obsessive help.

Now, that is a shortage of money. That definitely is a shortage of money when we can't do something like that. Now, that's the one we're trying to solve. We're trying to solve that one heavily. How can we get enough money to do these things and still not violate the help-contribute angle and so on? For instance, I run all sorts of help curves. The one that is totally unhelpful and this seems to be utterly non sequitur - Alexandre Dumas wrote an enormous cookbook, Alexandre Dumas, Senior. It's probably the world's finest cookbook. I don't think any copies of it are available in English.

Now, a drug called LSD 25 which is, we are assured, an experimental drug which is never used on anybody except patients and which the Food and Drug Administration recently informed Congress in personal letters about- when we raised hell with its continued use - they informed Congress it was only experimental and wasn't sent around or anything of the sort. Continuous articles in papers and magazines tell of the useful use of LSD 25.

I was in an American restaurant the other day; they didn't even know they were eating Spanish food. Spanish food is what's served here in America. Everybody thinks Spanish food, you know, is tortillas and frijoles and that sort of thing. Nobody's ever heard of those in Spain. It's beefsteak and potatoes and salad and just what we eat in this country. We eat almost totally Spanish cookery.

Do you know why they think it's useful?

Now here's all of this - this tremendous tome of French cookery which is lying there undistributed, you know. It's one of the most fascinating books you ever got your nose into. It's how they buy peaches at the royal palace, for instance; long dissertation on the subject of how you tell a good peach from a bad peach and - just this fantastic man wrote this fantastic cookbook, you know? And I'd like to publish it. Utterly non sequitur. There's no reason for it at all, you know. I just think it would be an amusing thing to do; bring out this book with this great big title across the top of it, you know, „Alexandre Dumas,“ you know, write it BIG, you know, and then „Cookbook.“ It would be an awful shock to people. They would undoubtedly have his cookery confused with d'Artagnan's rapier. But that's just a foolish project, an amusing project.

Give you an idea of how far a healing profession could go and cease to be a healing profession. They give it to nurses and interns so that they go insane so they can find out how the patient feels. And that's its use.

Anything foolish or amusing just has to go by the boards around this organization. You have to cut it close. You generally can appropriate a budget which will be adequate for about one-fifth and then do twice as much work with it.

Now, you think I'm just pulling a joke on you or something of the sort. Truthfully, I seldom joke about these matters although some of the things sound extraordinary. And you track them down and you usually find they're the case.

Well, we've had suggestions of running the staff on money. As a matter of fact, by the way, we started doing that some time ago.

Now, they go so far in helping somebody as to invent a drug that'll drive you insane so that you'll be just like them. Boy, that's really an extremity, isn't it, huh? Well, some auditors will do this and I myself very often mock up somebody's case just to study it. And you sort of pick a total copy of the case and then sit it over here someplace and look at it. That would only be bad if you didn't know you were doing it, you know? Some auditors will sit down and then pick up the somatics of the preclear. There's an interesting process goes along with this that might amuse you just as a side comment. It's „Mock up something to find out how it works.“ And you run this on a fellow a few times and he finds out he's being awfully silly. How could he mock it up if he didn't know how it worked? Run this on an electronics man and he goes into fits of laughter on the thing.

Female voice: Good.

The fascinating part of this obsessive help is that help goes on a „fail“ cycle. You try like mad to help something and then you finally can see that you have failed to help it. Your original impulse of trying to help it is so strong that it carries you over beyond the time when you decided it was terminated, into assuming the identity of the thing you couldn't help. It's sort of like pitching a cannon ball and you say, „Well, that cannon ball is only going to go twenty-five yards,“ when it's twenty-five yards from you, you know. So you turn your back and walk away.

You know how to cure somebody of money difficulties?

You say, „Well, it only went twenty-five yards.“ The cannon ball hits the ground and rolls for another hundred. And you just ignore that. Soon as you start to find out this is happening you very often experience a desire to cheerfully kill whoever it was you couldn't help. And this is an extremus of help.

It's quite easy. You give them a dollar bill and a fifty-cent piece or a pound note and a shilling. And you have them alternate - place them alternately left to right. Have him keep them from going away and hold them still and make them more solid. And if you run it properly, why, you will first run Help on money, you see, and then you'll run this one on money. And the first thing, you know, he's worried. He's trying to stop his abilities because it would ruin the game if he could - he realizes suddenly that he might be able to mock up money. You know, just mock up a perfectly valid stack of twenty-dollar bills or five-pound notes or something of the sort. And if everybody could do that, money would have no value and then he can't conceive how you would solve the barter system and we're off to the races.

„You must understand that slaughtering somebody is simply another method of giving him a kind hand. Listen, if he's so bad off that he can't be helped, the kindest thing you could do would be to let him go get another body and try all over again. Isn't it?“ I mean, that's the basic rationale that goes on below the surface of reason. Perfectly good rationale. „Life is never being so kind as when it is being terribly cruel.“ Now, when you get a session going, you can go through a bunch of little monkey tricks with no intention behind it at all and wake up an hour later and find out you didn't have a session going. You know? You say, „Well, what goals do you have for this session?“ „Well, I got a couple of goals for this session.“

I've had people get worried. Every time this has ever been run, the person, sooner or later, gets worried about this factor but you certainly can solve money.

You say, „Fine. Have you any present time problem?“ (Don't even look at your meter while you do this, you know.) „Have you any present time . .”

Yes?

„No, I have nothing worrying me at all.“

Male voice: Doesn't this - in running this, don't they go on a gradient scale up on this? First they start to collect the result of the money before they actually collect money?

„Well, is it all right if I run such and such a process?“

Yes. You mean the results of running the process on somebody? Yeah.

„Oh, certainly. Certainly. It's all right if you run such and such a process.“ „All right. Let's run such and such a process and here's the first command. We're going to clear the command and the command is, 'What wall wouldn't you mind turning upside down?' And let's clear the command all the way through. All right, now here is the first command and ‘What wall wouldn't you mind turning upside down?’” And he says, „Well, so-and-so and so-and-so.“

Male voice: Because then they collect a lot of mass, a lot of MEST and still no money.

And we go on hour after hour after hour after hour.

Yeah.

Suddenly some suspicion begins to enter our sphere of awareness that this pc isn't really in-session. There's nothing happening. He isn't getting any cognitions, he isn't going anywhere, there's nothing occurring.

Male voice: Then they go to no MEST and a lot of money.

Now, I'm not going to say you only have yourself to blame for this because it would be a dirty trick for me to challenge everything and anybody on earth that didn't know all of these things, because that obviously took a little bit of knowingness; it took quite a while for a man to find some of it out. But after you know this I hold you totally responsible for it.

Yeah.

Now, here's a whole series of practitioner tricks which are simply open session tricks and have no place in the TRs or any other place. The auditor comes into session. Pc is, you know, alert, bright. Auditor says, „Well, what do you want to get done in this session?“ You know? And the pc says, „I want to become an Operating Thetan.“

Male voice: And then they go to no money and no MEST.

The auditor says, „Fine,“ he says, „well, let's get the show on the road now. We've got a goal. Now, do you have any present time problems? Good. Fine. Now, here's the first auditing command. We're going to clear this command. Now, here's the first command.“ Get the idea? See, outflow, outflow, outflow, punch it in, punch it in, punch it in. See? Pc sometimes goes in a hypnotic trance and gets better if told to.

Maybe not quite that bad. If you're good enough with an intention, you could walk up to somebody and without saying anything to him, why, have him hand you a dollar bill. If you're good enough with Tone 40.

Now, I'll give you a whole series of tricks to get around this type of thing. And you, doing it knowingly, never under any circumstances would fall for it otherwise, any more than I became totally dependent on a little girl coming in, you know, and doing this and that. The only thing I missed when she finally stopped doing it and so on was the fact of her company. She was very cheerful and very quiet by that time and very nice and very social. Still comes in now and then and I'm very happy to see her and so forth but it didn't become a big obsession. You get the idea? Like it had to happen from there on out.

Yes, Jack?

The only liability you ever run into in using tricks of help is falling for it yourself. So know that you're doing it. Know that you're doing it. Then you'll be okay.

Male voice: I've - just a comment on that, Ron. When I was down here during the 19th you told me about that. And on the airplane back, when I went back to Chicago, I mocked up twenty-dollar bills and kept them from going away. And for about the next two months I had a stack of twenty-dollar bills, one way or another, in my wallet..

At the beginning of session, particularly with a very rough preclear, start inventing things for the preclear to contribute. It sounds very odd but it goes down to the point - although the auditor places the preclear and must place the preclear in the session, never lets the preclear select the place his chair is to go. Preclear goes over to the wall, gets a chair and pulls it out into the room and is about to sit down in it, and I'm auditing that preclear. If I haven't placed the preclear in that chair and haven't placed that chair there, I interrupt the preclear's action, you know, and I move the chair a little bit and say, „All right, now, sit down.“ And I help him into the chair.

Yeah.

Why? Well, it makes it to some degree my space. I've placed the person in the session. Now, this trick does not contradict the other tricks.

Male voice: ... until I finally got kind of worried about that and carried tens around instead.

Now, having decided where the preclear was going to sit, if this preclear by my experience is somebody who blows up when you try to help him, I'm not above running them ragged.

Works too good.

„Would you get that ashtray over there? Bring that over here? Fine. Put the window up just a little bit, would you? I think the air conditioner's on too cold.“ You get the idea? Move them around. „Give me a hand here and move this couch back a little bit.“ Get the idea? I just take care of the physical environment and get it all set and polished off, and don't eventually arrive with an obsession to have a physical environment perfect before I can audit in it. You get the idea? Get the preclear to assist with this and assist with that and then get the preclear to assist with data. I just lay it right on the line. I have the preclear tell me what is to be audited here (whether I audit it or not) in such a way as, „What are you willing to contribute to this session?“ Get the idea? I'll go so far as to look disappointed when the preclear doesn't give me a present time problem. Maybe there is none. I ask for them. And all I ascertain is whether or not the preclear is willing to offer one. Now, this is going up against a rather rough preclear, not somebody who's pretty routine. Get them to contribute at least a PT problem or get them to contribute a confidence or an experience or something.

Yes?

Somebody's going to laugh in about two seconds because they've heard me use this gag on them. Several here. I will say to them, „If you were auditing your case, what process would you use now?“ That's a pretty weird one, huh? I don't particularly use it, but I sure get them to offer a process up.

Male voice: Ron, I had an idea on the money there. I was looking at an auditor when he's not willing to charge money when he's auditing, this appears to be a lack of certainty as to the value of what he's giving out. Well now, it seems to me that with a HASI or a Scientologist, he doesn't want money. What he wants is a flow and he will get money in and out to the degree that he is certain on the third dynamic that what he is doing is valuable. It just seems to me that all an auditor or an organization needs is a group certainty on the third dynamic of their value therein.

In other words, I make them give, not me, but give that session something. Give it a lot of somethings. Get the idea? And as long as you keep them in the frame of mind that they're helping this session to keep rolling and as long as you aren't trying to steamroll them by being the only one around there who's going to help, you have gain and improvement. And that's the first and foremost thing you can know about auditing: you begin a session.

Hm. Very good comment. Very good comment.

How do you begin a session? Well, you begin sessions by saying that they begin and then by doing things to get the preclear to begin them too. Get the preclear to contribute something. Get the preclear to contribute goals. Get the preclear to contribute a PT problem. Get the preclear to contribute answers, contribute explanations.

An auditor will also refuse money if he can't receive some help. You find it works both... But the value and certainty of what he is doing, yeah. You'll notice an auditor who has muffed a case do a bad downcurve for a few days, sometimes. Every once in a while an auditor gets somebody who kicks the bucket or does something like that. It isn't very often. And he wants to help somebody, you know, and a lot of factors enter into it and get in his road and prevent him; his certainty gets pretty shattered for a short time.

Sometimes a preclear will say something totally clear. I could make it out if I tried. I just don't put the effort into it to make it out at all. I make the preclear explain it much more fully. Get the idea? If they're not contributing very much, they're being very quiet and very withdrawn in a session, I'm liable to start getting them to beat things half to death as far as I'm concerned, exceed any understanding that anybody ever would need of anything. He started in talking about his difficulties in school and I just sit there. I just don't understand this, that's all. I make him explain it and explain it and explain it.

The thing for him to do is go and build his certainty back up again and he'd be okay. The thing he has done when he does that, by the way, is interesting. It's - was in the lecture today. It's the survive-succumb, opposite goals and he only gets a failure when he muffs that one. He muffed goals.

After a while he gets a little impatient. That's not a breakdown of ARC or anything like that. I've made him exceed his willingness to contribute understanding to this session.

Male voice: He's Q-and-Aed with the succumb goals?

And when I'm satisfied he's got it all taped to his satisfaction and anybody could understand it, even me, why, he's generally lost interest in it. And that, actually, is the technique of two-way comm. There's no more esoteric technique than that, than to get the preclear to contribute thoughts and experiences to the session. He's helping. Let him help that session. Get the idea? Some people do this so obsessively you can't get any auditing done. Well, remember to keep them doing it on your command. Don't lose grip on the control of the session. Have them contribute on your command. If they've got a whole bunch of experiences they've just got to tell you about, and you don't think they're contributing enough to the session - remember that's the other part of it: you don't think they're in there pitching hard enough... You judge this by whether or not they ever had a cognition, by whether or not they're interested, by whether or not they're getting any improvement, by whether or not the processes are biting. If these things aren't taking place then they're not contributing enough to the session. Then you can go off into two-way comm and use this sort of trick that I just gave you. You make them contribute explanations. You make them contribute experiences.

Yeah, that's right.

You say you have an awful time, you say, sleeping. Last night you had an awful time sleeping and you do have an awful time sleeping. Just, „How do you suppose a thing like that could come about?“ Perfectly sincerely, you see? „How do you suppose a thing like that could come about?“ Make them contribute the explanation.

Male voice: Yeah.

And they say, „Well, when I was very young my father and mother always locked me in a closet and it was very dark.“

Yes?

„Well, do you think that did it?“

Female voice: Ron, could you tell me the value of an intensive as against running, say, two sessions a week of, say, two-and-a-half hours each? What is the value of an intensive over just a time span of five hours a week carried over, say, about five or six weeks?

„Well, it seems fairly likely. But I really don't think that did it.“

Oh, the main value is that you get the person up above the environmental invalidation and you get him uphill faster than people can knock him down. And most people who are getting auditing, lots of people, have people around them who would, you know, try to chip at them, invalidate them a bit. And the value of an intensive is to get them up there in a hurry and they can't be kicked downstairs again.

„Well, have you got a better one?“

There's another value in that if you give auditing sessions too infrequently, you'll find nearly all of your sessions are involved with the PT problems which have occurred between sessions. And an intensive minimizes this. So there are advantages to an intensive but it isn't at all destructive to audit a person at wide intervals; it just isn't as efficient.

Here we go, see? Contribution. Contribution. Contribution.

Female voice: May I ask one more question on that please?

We take it for granted that the auditor is willing to contribute to the session. We have to point up that the auditor must also be willing for the preclear to contribute to the session before any auditing happens. Now, that's the entire rationale back of giving a session.

Yes.

Now, the session ends by terminating the necessity of the preclear to help the auditor with explanations, answers and so forth.

Female voice: What about the question of process lag, which has more of a chance to run out over a period of time and if you're running an intensive, you're not allowing process lag a chance?

Now, the fellow who writes you tremendous volumes between sessions hasn't had an end of session. You just haven't ended the session.

It shouldn't happen. Process lag, theoretically, shouldn't happen and is actually a mistake or an error. It's an auditor error.

Every time we get a new auditor in the HGC we look for this one: whether or not he will get through the session and get the session ended in time for an auditor's conference. When he's green he very often flubs it. He can't end the session on his own timing. He has a tough time ending a session. It's actually a symptom of a green auditor. I hate to have to tell you that. The preclear has practically nothing to do with it whatsoever.

When you get an unstable gain there are three methods by which you determine the failures of profiles to improve. Profile unchanged, beginning and end of an intensive, profile unchanged. PT problem not resolved. In other words, preclear not contributing to the auditing session. That's invariable.

The way you end the session is to get the preclear to contribute an end of session, on your determination. And that's one of the tricks of the communication bridge. You slide in this communication bridge and get him to terminate the end of session. You see that he's in good shape, you see that he's come up rather close toward PT or - you see this - and you say, „Well, I'm going to ask you this just a few more times and then end the session. Will that be all right?“ That, „Will that be all right?“ doesn't just ask for agreement, it asks for a contribution. See? And he says, „Well, yes, yes.“

ARC break is profile depressed. At the end of the intensive, the profile is lower than it was at the beginning of the intensive. This is definitely and always an ARC break between the auditor and the preclear which the auditor has not repaired. And again, the preclear is not contributing to the session, but so much less is he contributing that he actually gets worse receiving help he's not willing to have.

„You're sure that will be all right?“ See, he wasn't willing to contribute an end of process or an end of session. See? „You're sure that'll be all right? Well, what could I do to make it all right?“ Well, no, he isn't going to let you contribute that one. He'll say, „Well, it'll - it'll be all right. It'll be all right.“ And he'll come up the track and straighten out and so forth.

And the third one is the unstable gain. The profile goes up and then a few days later we give him another profile and we find a sag from where it was. Well, this is unflattened processes and where you have an unflattened process, the physical universe will complete the running out of the process. So anything might happen. It might go up, it might go down but it's certainly unstable.

And you say, „Now, this is the last command,“ just before you give it. See „This is the last command,“ you say, and you give him the last command. Then he has contributed the end of the process.

If an auditor has audited properly and has audited to get each one of his processes flat, has left the case in a very stable condition, that is to say, with each process flattened, each one taken care of, the gain attained will remain there not for just a week or two weeks but actually, in our experience, has been found to stay there for three or four years. Right there, bang! So the process lag of the process running out is also discovered in clearing. You clear somebody and then he runs on out. What you've got there is the accumulation of incomplete processes at work. And these processes have been left incomplete one way or the other from maybe way back when, you see. Some process run on him two or three years ago now decides to run itself out. Now, he's - runs that out and he runs something else out but in each case it's an unflattened process.

Now, has any of this changed to any degree your viewpoint on auditing and beginning and ending sessions, hm?

In an intensive you don't run into it as often because you're keeping much closer check on the preclear and fewer present time difficulties are coming up. So you're not spending much time in cleaning up the present time or taking care of the existing situation. You are merely spending time plugging right straight ahead, whamity-bam, on the project of auditing. So you do flatten the processes that you run and you get very little process lag and you get a considerable stability that you would not get otherwise. That's another argument in favor of an intensive. You get to complete what you start. And when you're auditing sporadically and it's only two-and-a-half hours a crack and it happens every week or two times a week, you'll sometimes slip, you know, and you'll have been running Step 6. And the next time he comes back he's apparently flat on it, you know, kind of, so we go into Help, but we just didn't run Step 6 on that full cycle.

Audience: Yes.

Well, the MEST universe is going to run it out someday and you'll get much more variability of case on seldom auditing. As a matter of fact, staff auditors and staff in general, were they here, would be saying at this moment, „You said it!“ You know? That's certainly true. Because these poor guys - these poor guys running on their own Clear project work so hard day and night that they seldom get a chance to get in their co-auditing sessions and they often have a change of auditors.

It's all very well to get it in drill. And in the final analysis the drill is right but it is only right so long as you use it with an understanding.

And all of a sudden they won't get any auditing for a couple of weeks on this Clear project, you see? And their auditor, expecting to audit them the next night - see, he's running Help on something or other. A couple of weeks later they're involved with something else and they get some other thing run on them or they change auditors and they're not up-to-date with the thing and they can be very uncomfortable for a few days.

Now, the number of tricks you can engage in, the number of shabby, deceitful methods you can use to get a preclear to contribute himself and his time and his thinkingness and attention to a session are unlimited. And you can sail right ahead and use any of them you like any time you want to use them. And the only thing I'd say is, don't use them unnecessarily. Preclear is contributing to a session, he's in-session, he's running okay, he's perfectly willing to be audited, don't hold up the show. Get the idea? Don't put the brakes on the whole thing.

There's one staff member I know of, particularly, who's very, very uncomfortable, or was, over a period of about ten days. Auditor left the area for an out-in-the-field job for the organization and won't be back for a while. See? This poor pc was halfway through Help on the Rock itself and, man, that was rough. That was rough. Finally, somebody started in on the case and patched it up a little bit, just continued it through to a flatter spot.

But if he isn't cogniting and he isn't coming up scale and he isn't getting change no matter what you do, boy, you'd better specialize in contribution to session. You'd better start specializing in it, you'd better send him out for a Coca-Cola and you'd better let him get some air in that room and you better let him do this and make him do that and get him up there until he's really contributing. First thing you know, boy, he's just willing to be audited. You know? Might take you four or five, six sessions running somebody morning and afternoon - something like that - before you finally got him up there where he was contributing. Then you're liable to find out that you have done yourself in by making your preclear too vocal, too contributive. Now, you've got trouble shutting him down, closing the valve off.

But this auditor, her auditor, believed implicitly that tomorrow night was the next session and so didn't much care where he left the Rock, see? But tomorrow night never arrived. The following morning there was an emergency call somewhere far away from here and the auditor went. It's amusing, the complications that evolve from this sort of thing.

But it's better to have that kind of trouble than no contribution. See? He's liable to sit there and want to give you the story of his life, you know, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, on and on and on and on and on. And when he gets through with that there, he just remembered some bit or piece of four lives ago and rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack.

Yes?

Well, how do you shut that off?

Female voice: Ron, in the case of the points being up to a hundred plus, would the drop still be undesirable?

Well, that's your hard luck. Shut it off too abruptly, you've got an ARC break with the preclear.

Well, now, I didn't quite get that now.

One of the better ways of handling it is to now specify what you want from him. It better be something you want from him. Centralize that explanation. See? No, I want the factors that make your head ache. See? We're not too much interested in the rest of this stuff, but what do you suppose it is back of that headache? That's the thing, see? He focalizes on it and all of a sudden he's talking about auditors or doctors or practitioners.

Female voice: Oh, where the points are up to a hundred plus on the profile...

Well, what's so bad about them, you see? Contribute something that's supposed to be bad about that. That's fine. And then you cut in there quick as a bunny and you say, „Well, we're going all right here, though, aren't we?“ You know? And he says, „Oh, yes. Yes. Everything's going fine.“ „Well, fine. Then we're going to run this process.“ Great haste, you see. Get in there quick.

Yeah.

There are ways to shutting people off without their ever finding out about it.

Female voice:... would a drop in the after-intensive - would that still be desirable?

The only thing I could add to this beginning and ending of session is simply this: the goals of the auditor and the goals of the preclear must have some agreement or parallelism. And where the auditor has the goal of survive and the preclear has the goal of succumb, you never get any auditing done. The preclear may be obsessed with the idea of contributing his death as his help in this session.

If they're up, they're up. Up is up. Anybody that's tried to tell you that you should adjust your profile downwards told you that you should agree with the human race.

I've gone so far as to describe ways and means by which my auditing could kill somebody that had this other opposite pitch. You'd be surprised the tremendous absorption and interest that was entered into the whole thing. Up to that time there was no interest whatsoever. We just discussed ways and means of knocking somebody off. And you'd think it would be a gag conversation, but it isn't at all. The preclear takes it terribly seriously.

Back in Wichita - back in Wichita we got to kicking around how right you could get. And we had a very interesting conversation on this subject of whether you could be right at all. And the outcome of the conversation was that it would be utterly impossible to be right and be human. You couldn't possibly be right and be human. And you had to be wrong enough to agree with your environment and that kept you from being right. I wish I had a tape of the conversation. It was the most complicated conversation I've ever been part of. It was a very complicated conversation but it all worked on down and all the explanations were highly explicit. It was just a gag; we were just fooling around, you know. It was pretty wild, though. You can't be right and be human; no slightest possibility of it ever occurring.

You see that he isn't getting better, that he keeps complaining about getting worse. Well, just assume as your stable datum that he's trying to succumb while you're trying to get him to survive. You're going this way and he's going that-a-way. And the thing to do about that is to get him to contribute a few succumbs verbally until he's willing to buy your goal of survive.

So somebody tells you you ought to downgrade a profile to be more what? To be more human. Well, that would be to be more wrong, obviously.

Don't ever make that mistake. When that mistake is made the auditor pays for it very dearly because his goal is flouted. It never succeeds. When a preclear is bound and determined that you're supposed to kill him, you've had it, unless you change his mind on that subject.

Yes?

So, that's the first thing you do in goals, and by the way, one of the reasons why goals is still so prominent in CCH 0 and really for no other reason than that - and contribution.

Female voice: Well, I was told that if it was above ninety, why, it was unreality, the pc had no reality on.

Understand a little more about this now?

Oh, I doubt that.

Audience: Yes.

Female voice: Oh, it was.

All right.

I doubt that. An awful lot of randomity resulted, by the way, from these Clear tests that were given at the congress. They were highly specific and we know our business around here as far as Clear tests are concerned, you know? And it is true - it is true that somebody could be Clear tested and then could slip. It is true, particularly if they're Clear tested immediately at the end of the intensive and not rechecked a few days later or something like this.

Thank you.

We found out, though, that when those profiles and IQs are not met, the Clear check won't meet it on the meter either. It takes that much profile and IQ to meet it on the meter. And where you get a profile and IQ which is less than the Clear standard, you also get vagaries on the E-Meter and vice versa. When you get vagaries on the E-Meter, you find the Clear checkout specifications are not met.

That's how they were arrived at, by the way. You know, you could artificially establish what a Clear should get as a profile and what he should get as an IQ. Just take the fifty-one of the fifty percent of the human race that can be exteriorized easily and can operate for a few days exterior, bang him out of his head, give him an APA and IQ real quick and you're getting one that's uninfluenced by body considerations, you see? And you'll get in excess of 135 and you'll get an APA in excess of that. It'll all collapse in a very short time but that's testing a Theta Clear, which is just a roundabout method of testing a ME5T Clear. Do you see? But a MEST Clear meets these standards in spite of body influences. That's much harder to do, much harder to do.

Yes, Anne?

Female voice: I think where some of this is coming from is the APA manual itself and its explanation in correlating some of those traits with the others. It definitely mentions if certain traits are above 90, well, this is an indication of a martyr complex and that is telling...

Who's telling this?

Female voice: The APA manual itself gives this explanation.

Oh, it does, huh?

Female voice: Oh, yes. It's all through there on - on how if the affinity is too high - well, this is more of a sort of a cultural thing, you know, and not quite true. There's quite a bit on here in explanation.

Is that so?

Female voice: Yes. Certain traits being above 90 it definitely says that the preferable place is around 75 and above 90 is a little too high, that it's going out of reality.

Well, out of reality...

Female voice: It's detailed in this manual that we go by.

Well, then that - it's still true. It's going out of reality of the human race, that's for true. You must - you must remember - you must remember this one fact that that is a psychological test of some age and standing. So are the IQ tests that we use. And we use those tests and keep them to themselves and keep them as they are with malice aforethought. We have purposely never developed Scientology tests to take their place because they themselves are a frame of reference in agreement with the society. Therefore, these tests mean something to psychology.

But I'm glad you called that to my attention. I'll have to look at that manual.

Female voice: It - it's all there when you're ready.

That's very amusing. I've never read the manual on them. What I have read on them is not their administration but I've read their rationale, description and development. And I had a good laugh over it.

The tests are supposed to be the most stable tests psychology has to offer, both those tests. That's why they are there. They will not change and under no circumstances can they change more than a plus or minus 4, regardless of what happens to the person. And they're an arrow into the teeth of vested interests, you see, and it frightens them. The effect that one produces with these tests, groups of these tests, when he submits them to a government agency or a bunch of psychologists and so on, is very gratifying. They fall back and they faint and they looked frightened and they start shivering.

Now, you think I'm exaggerating this reaction but I'm really not exaggerating the reaction. I've had witnesses to this when I have suddenly, casually pulled these tests out, said what tests they were and have laid them on a table, a hundred such tests, you see, a hundred profiles, you know, and a hundred IQs and just laid them on the table casually in front of some psychologist, you know, who is very authoritative and so forth. In one case, one of the psychologists of the group who were present - we just use these things to make sure our anchor points are out, see; we don't intend them to do anything about it particularly because they wouldn't. They - they wouldn't be capable of doing anything about it. Now, and this psychologist began to shake visibly, you know, like this: „So just-just-just one of these tests - just-just-just-just one of these tests pub-published in the psychological journal would upset the whole field of ps-psychology.“

Male voice: It sure would, Ron.

„And our press...“

Male voice: They would all go to pieces.

Oh, sure. Our press relations man was sitting there and I actually had to kick him sideways underneath the table to keep him from bursting out loud with laughter. It was such a pat fright.

A very high officer of the government just a few days ago wrote us a panic letter - panic - on this. It was fascinating. I've still got the letter up there. You'd be surprised at the person - who it is. I wouldn't say - not with the tape running.

And we submitted a standard submission. You see, we're in the position of possibly withholding from government use valuable materials which could be used in the defense picture. And we must keep ourselves innocent of this action. So we continue to submit to all agencies. Anybody who comes up and suddenly takes over some big defense post or something like that gets dropped in his lap a very neat presentation of Scientology. It's actually not only neat, but it's really got mass. It's a series of envelopes about that high, 8 1/2“ x 11“ envelopes, one sheet at a time, you know, each sheet very significant, stacked up that high. It requires a very strong porter to deliver them. And he gets something like this.

Quite often he will write us for it; quite often we receive a request for this sort of thing, you know? Please tell us what you are doing these days, you know. Defense mobilization, something like that. Well, we give him three or four days so that it looked like we just got the thing together, you know, and we change the headline on the letter of submission and so forth and we send it over by messenger to his office, something like this, see. And they always give it personal attention.

But in this particular case we got a panic letter. It said over and over that there was no way... We always ask for a government contract. You know, we shove it right on home. We tell them how much money we need, what the government is supposed to do, exactly how this thing shapes up. We even tell them names and addresses of the people who will be in charge of the project. You know? It's just tailor-made.

Somebody has asked me a couple of times, „Why don't you do it on a gradient scale?“ Because they might buy it! Then we'd find ourselves totally tied down in the defense picture.

This letter first told us that he couldn't possibly be instrumental in getting us a government contract to process all the scientists and military officers and aviators and so forth in the country. He couldn't possibly do this. And then he repeated it, see, and said he couldn't possibly do this. And then he said he couldn't possibly do this. And then he said he couldn't possibly comment on the value of the findings. The whole letter added up that he couldn't possibly. Very amusing.

You probably didn't know that we were a pressure point, that we made Scientology a pressure point. You possibly weren't aware of the fact.

See, it would be folly to get a Republican administration to buy Scientology because Democrats would kick it out as soon as they came in, something like that. If we were to submit anything in earnest, it would be after the next election. We had a lot of fun, a lot of fun with this sort of thing.

The NAAP, for instance, is causing much more of a stir than you would ordinarily think and has caused the American Psychiatric Association to completely change its line of dissemination. The APA has sent over people to talk to us and that sort of thing. We've already had many visitors on this line and so forth.

And if you'll notice the articles which are being put out are less and less now devoted to how horrible it all is, but to how humane psychiatry is. You noticed any articles lately about how humane it all is? Well, there have been several in their favorite media. The Reader's Digest, I think, is their journal, isn't it?

Male voice: Writer's Digest.

Yeah. These people are very much influenced by what we do. It's quite amusing. We're not being stupidly - not stupidly assuming ourselves at cause where we are not. That would be a dull thing to do too. But being right here in Washington and they're right around the corner, we have a very easy grapevine.

There's another organization in the country called the American Management Association, that you'll see all over the place and that Eisenhower spoke at the other day. He gave them a talk. They're quite important people. And all we've got to do is change our format of a congress and they change their formats of their congresses. They now hold congresses and they have seminars and the same hours are used and the same program format. That's a stupid program format. It's totally designed about the fact that Ron hasn't got time to tell the rest of the office what he's going to talk about at the congress. So they just lay this program format out so that anything can happen, you know? And the APA - I mean the AMA, the American Management Association, adopted this program format about four or five months after our first program format and they've still adhered to it. They have their seminars at the same time and it's the same number of days and all of this sort of thing.

And it's no joke that we're at cause on a lot of lines in this society that we're actually unaware of.

We're actually at cause-point also in another line, which is space opera. We're scared to death that they're going to forget space opera, you know, and start having a war here on Earth. We want them to have a war out there and our whole concentration is making them aware of this sort of thing. And we fight a rather continuing little rat-a-tat-tat on the barricades with our machine gun bullets on this particular subject.

And I got a release the other day from General Gavin. And this is another officer who is now quoting our article Fortress in the Sky about the moon and so forth. And this is a release to be given to the papers four, five weeks hence but it's just totally right down the line. And that he and his office mailed it directly to Dr. R. F. Steves is also interesting. It's as close to a credit line as the government would ever give you for anything.

We just try to stay at cause in a mild organizational sort of way where we can. We don't devote too much time to it. It would be an incredible situation if we sat back and never ourselves put out a communication line in these directions because then we would get the total effect of these directions, don't you see? So we have to keep a little line going out and we do so. It's just a line of awareness, not a line of effectiveness or action.

And it's quite amusing, some of the results of this sort of thing. And it's quite amusing what just a letter can do, what a communication line sent out unexpectedly in a certain direction, what havoc it can wreak in the best-laid plans of mice and psychiatrists, to say nothing of men.

Undoubtedly we're a dangerous organization to have around, but the truth of the matter is that it would be very dangerous to us to live in this society without ever communicating with the various parts and centers of the society which influence the rest of society. And so we do so - in our spare time.

Okay. Know anything more about this cycle of sessions you're running?

Audience: Yes.

Okay. If you do pick up any data in the lectures, if you happen to notice anything going by, you have my permission to use it.

Thank you.