Now, the next process I'm going to tell you about is a very, very interesting process, but it's very destructive of havingness, and it is one which is done with considerable caution on the part of the auditor — Route 1-7. Route 1-7: "Have preclear let go and find many places where he is not." Now, the auditing command associated with this is a very simple thing: "Find a place where you are not." And you repeat this command many times until any communication lag developed by the question has been rendered constant.

I want to talk to you now concerning the steps in Route 1, continuing with these steps on Route 1-8.

Now, you understand that we have the preclear let go because that's the last part of R2-6. You tell him to let go before you tell him to do anything else. Actually, this little point belongs with 6, doesn't it? After you've told him to hold the two back anchor points of the room .. .

Here we have, in exteriorization, the main difficulty on the part of an individual in perception. He believes that it is dangerous to look; this is his main reason for not seeing. He believes that it is dangerous to hear, which is his main reason for not hearing.

In groups — tell groups that or anything else — for heaven sakes, always tell them to let go. Because there's some yap who will go on holding on till the end of time — and doing the other process while he's still holding on to the back anchor points of the room. So you tell him to let go and find some places where he's not. And that really is the auditing command which immediately ensues after R1-6, which is "Hold the two back anchor points of the room." So you say to him — the next time that you say anything to him, which is R1-7 — you say, "Let go, and find some places where you're not." Now, this is very destructive of havingness, this process is. And it really shouldn't be run lightly on somebody whose havingness is very badly in question. If this person's havingness is very badly in question, you ought to be right back there at R1-5! You shouldn't be doing this process at all.

Actually, there is a slightly better reason than these two main reasons. The main reason is he's a problem to himself if he can't see, and he's a problem to himself if he can't hear, can't smell, and so forth. We learned that under two-way communication, didn't we?

Find some places where he's not. Well, this is a curious thing. It can be run on interiorized people. What you're asking for is certainty. You want people to get points where they're certain they are not. Now, here is the first time in Intensive Procedure that we enter into this thing called certainty, and boy, we enter into it with both feet!

Well, he turns off his perception and this makes a very, very nice problem. And under Route 1-8, however, we discover most thetans have gotten into a condition where they believe that it is now so dangerous that it has ceased to be any kind of a problem. It's just simply very, very dangerous to perceive anything.

If you let somebody say to you, "Well, I'm not in the room. I'm not in the backyard. I'm not into this. I'm not into that. A lot of places around here where I'm not, you know? Well, I'm not anyplace in the room. What are you talking about? I'm not anyplace around here! That's a silly question," you've got your nerve putting them on Route 1! Because this person would have shown up as an obsessive communication lag, or something of the sort, early in processing with two-way communication. He shouldn't be on Route 1. But let's say by some slip of something or other, you've got him on to Route 1 and you ask him this question: "Now, let go and find some places where you're not." And he says, "I'm everywhere. I'm not everywhere. I'm uh . . ." and yap-yap. "I'm not over there. I'm not over there. I'm not over there. I'm not over there. I'm not over there. Not over there. Not over there. Not over there." You can just count on the fact that you're dealing with a lot of junk. Let's slow this guy down (the way to run this process) — let's slow this guy down to a point where there will be one place in this or some other universe where he's not. Just get one where he's absolutely certain he is not. You see that? We want a place where he's absolutely certain where he's not!

And so this is simply a process which, when the individual is exteriorized, gets him to change his consideration.

So this fellow who's giving you yap-yap-yap-yap-yap-yap-yap-yapyap-yap! — he isn't certain he's in none of those places. Chances are, he's buttered all over the universe.

You must realize that on somebody exteriorized all you have to do is ask him to change his consideration and he is then capable. He can change his consideration that he is capable; he can change his consideration that he isn't capable.

By the way, the last person who did this to me, on a little bit of a test on the thing, said they were exteriorized ... They were run, by the way, right down to R1-7, and it was at R1-7 the auditor caught him.

Actually, aside from coaxing him to deal with energy masses and perceptions, the only process there is to a Clear is ask him to change his mind. That's all the process there is: he changes a consideration. We drag him out of the field of mechanics, in other words, and as soon as we've got him out of the field of mechanics, why, he processes simply by getting him to change his mind.

And the auditor came around to me afterwards, and he says, "You know, I don't believe this person is really exteriorized."

If a thetan exteriorized cannot change his mind, he is still very, very enmeshed in the whole theory of mechanics. And being enmeshed and immersed in mechanics, he feels that these mechanics are going to smite him one way or the other. The biggest deterrent to somebody getting into this state is fear of the environment, and the energy masses and spaces contained in it. That is the biggest deterrent to his changing his mind.

"Why not?"

As an individual gets smaller and smaller and goes on down the dwindling spiral, he believes that exterior forces are more and more dangerous to him. Now, the saw which is inserted at this point is really more of a saw than an axiom: A man is as sane as he believes himself to be dangerous to his environment. See, that's a very low-level look, isn't it? But he is as sane as he believes himself dangerous to his environment. That's very true of man.

"Oh, I don't know. It's just queer, but I've run these processes and this person says he can do these processes — she can do these processes all right. But, you know, for some reason or other, I don't think this person is doing these processes."

So this is Dianetics, mainly, we're talking about when we say "man," "dangerous to his environment," and so forth. People come up through a tooth-and-claw strata before they get up into a sanity.

"Well," I said, "Have you run any 8-C?"

"All roads lead through force;" that is another saw. "All roads lead through force." Anybody who has seen the now-nonextant lecture charts of the Philadelphia sixty-four hours of lecture will recall that one of the last lecture charts there has a big "Force" inscribed in the middle of the chart. [See lecture chart in the Appendix of this volume.]

"Well, no. This person didn't have any appreciable communication lag." So I got ahold of this preclear that this auditor had run up to R1-7. And this person would tell you ... Great glibness. They were insulted at the idea of being told that they couldn't find some places. Why, they could do all this sort of thing; "Do all this sort of thing very easily. Kindergarten stuff There's nothing to this! There's nothing to this. There wasn't anything to do this at all!" So you know what I did? I said to the person, I said, "What's your name?" And you know what that person said? Said "Why do you want to know?" And I said, "Well, what's your name?"

"Well, do you mean my maiden name, married name? What name do you mean?" I said, "Well, what's your name?" And the person said, "Well, you've got my name around here! You know who I am. I mean, we're not strangers or anything. In Certs, you've got my name!" And I said, "What is your name?" I was still asking this person's name one half an hour later, and I had yet to get this person to say, "My name is Smith." (The person's name was not Smith.) How do you like that? In other words, this auditor had made a blunder up there with two-way communication, in that he had never understood communication lag.

And then low-level aspects of the Chart of Attitudes are below this huge word Force, and the high-level aspects of the Chart of Attitudes are above this word Force. And, let us say, Distrust is below Force, you see, and Trust is above Force. But to get from Distrust up to Trust, it is necessary to cross the bridge of Force. If there's any bridge involved here anywhere in Dianetics or Scientology it is a bridge called Force. An individual believes that forces are greater than him-self. He believes he himself cannot cope with the forces around him. And we discover that an individual is very prone to believe that all forces are greater than he is.

Now, I'll give you a comparable one. The boys in the HCA course recently made the same blunder. Somebody had been around up there for three, four weeks, and they didn't think he had any communication lag. And do you know that in three or four weeks this person had never answered one question directly that anybody had ever put to him? These HCAs were perfectly willing to let this guy's utterance of sound be an answer.

Actually, he would never have to be afraid of force at all unless he him-self were being a mass of some sort. Force can only impinge itself upon mass of one kind or another. A thetan either mocks up a little piece of mass to receive sound waves, and so hear, or he is no mass at all and the sound wave goes straight through him. Well, he could do either one at will; so he could hear or not hear. There isn't any mechanical action, by the way, to hearing, really. One simply postulates that he hears and he hears; and he postulates he doesn't hear and he doesn't hear. That's about all there is to that.

And to most people the utterance of a sound is a sufficient answer. You know, "What is your name?"

But as long as he's down below Force, as long as he feels that he is op-pressed by the enormity of space, by the savageness of electrons battering him by explosions, and so on, as long as he feels that he can be injured by force of any character, why, you will find him below this level of Force on this chart. He believes all force is dangerous to him. He does not believe that he himself can emanate force which would be dangerous to anything or anybody else.

"What do you want to know for?" Well, there was no lag there, was there — no silence.

Now, the only reason a word or symbol has any effect on somebody is because he's below the band of Effort. Now, similarly, the common denominator of all people who are having any difficulty in life — similarly — that common denominator is inability to experience effort. In other words, they can't work, they can't play, they can't move and so on. They're afraid to experience effort.

Well, that isn't what you're looking for. You want a direct answer. You want this person to say, "My name is Smith." And this person at no time anywhere along the line had done other than give a completely indirect dodge. And the Instructor finally got this fellow by the tie, and got the students around and said, "Now, I want you people to look and listen here for a moment: 'Now, how many legs are there on the chair you're sitting in?' " The fellow said, "I'm not really sitting in the chair." Yap-yap-yap-yapyap-yap-yap-yap-yap-yap-yap. See? And we were going on at a vast rate, and the auditor kept asking this question and asking this question, and about forty-five minutes later got a straight answer. And all of a sudden, every HCA knew what communication lag was, see. He actually answered the question put to him: "How many legs were there on that chair?" So this person who's saying where he's not — you know, "Well, I'm not there. I'm not there. I'm not there. Not heh-hu-huh da-da-da-da-ta-" — that's a form of lag. And a little bit of a test on this person will demonstrate this person usually will be buttered all over the universe. They'll tell you they're Tone 8s and everything else.

In other words, force is outside someplace, threatening them. Now, the only reason a symbol has any effect upon an individual — for instance, the only reason you could criticize somebody and have him feel bad about it — is because your verbal criticism is associated by him with times when he has been hit, invalidated.

This person will also tell you they're exteriorized. They'll put a view-point out there someplace, an astral self or something, and tell it to walk someplace, and then they'll say they're exteriorized. A person who's exteriorized is looking from the place he is exteriorized into. See the difference?

Now, invalidation, criticism ... Criticism is the lowest level, and then we get outright, overt invalidation, and then tight above that we get this rather more understandable thing of the lightning bolt, see. And a fellow could only take criticism to heart if he were afraid of lightning bolts.

Well, you'll catch that person simply on communication lag if you know communication lag. But it's the interval of time intervening between the placing of the question and the receiving of the answer to that question — the answer to that question, you understand, no matter what appeared between — the exact answer to that question.

You see, he's got as criticism, actually, a symbol of force. If he's afraid of criticism, then basically he's afraid of force. Invalidation converts immediately, as you come upscale, into force. "Invalidation" means to be hit. But if you could impress somebody by invalidating him — telling him he really didn't think that, or he really didn't believe that, or something — it's because he's afraid of being hit. You see? And he associates the little criticism that you give him, or the contradiction that you give him, with force. He has been taught to avoid. And when even the symbol of force shows up (criticism), he then backs off. So he is below the Force band.

So we only got to R1-7 with this preclear because the auditor had made a blunder. But he was at R1-7 and he'd started the process and there was no time to lock off this process. It left me with the necessity of discovering some-place in the universe where this preclear, who was obsessively communicating, was not. And we had a picnic. We had a picnic!

He is actually in conjunction with a body which is extremely liable to wreckage by reason of force. He's extremely tender. A body goes two miles, three, four miles in the air, it starts to notice it very badly. If it went ten or twenty miles up in the air, it would probably die — I mean, it can't survive up there. If it went five miles in toward the core of earth ... That isn't very far, you know. If earth was reduced to the size of an apple, you wouldn't be able to find five miles thick with a microscope. And he goes down toward the center of earth just five miles, and it is much too warm and intolerable. The body is a frail mechanism mainly. And he is trying to protect this body.

And we found out that this person was not in Universe 81, because there was no such universe — little did that person know. But this person, who finally got a certainty, slowed down to a completely silent lag. She said, "I think. No. Say, you know ... You know, there's a universe out that way some ... I'm not in it!" Gee. Good news, see. Big news. Big stuff. Wonderful thing had happened here!

And so, as he is protecting the body — he'll eventually start hiding the body, by the way — but if he is protecting the body, he is protecting it from what? He is protecting it from space, from force. You see? And a thetan gets himself associated with a body very thoroughly, and thereafter he becomes afraid of force because he knows the body can affect force.

And then we found another place, finally, where the person was not. And I worked the person for a relatively short period of time. I actually worked the person less than an hour, and at the end of that hour this person was centralized and knew where he [she] was. And we had killed the communication lag.

Nothing can affect a thetan. Remember this: Nothing possibly can affect a thetan. As a matter of fact, as ultimate effect he cannot be affected. As ultimate cause he actually cannot himself be an energy bolt; he can only say he is. And here we have cause and effect. And as far as a thetan is concerned or an awareness of awareness unit is concerned, he would be at either end of this line, and he would have to have some kind of an energy mass at both ends of the line in order to be cause and effect, you see. There'd have to be some energy in there someplace. Well, he'd have to be protecting or holding on to that energy. He would have had to have postulated that he was some section of this energy to be affected or, actually, to begin some type of cause.

Mind you, this person was invertedly exteriorized — that is to say, the person was in the body looking at a thetan out there someplace, saying, "I am over there." Nobody had caught this.

In order to be thorough cause, for instance, he could postulate a bolt of energy out in front of him. But he would have to postulate also that he was connected with that to even get the idea that he was being affected by it.

An awful lot of auditing had gone down the drain with this person. The primary error, of course, was flubbing a two-way communication. So, al-though we don't pay as much attention to it today as we used to, here in R1-7 we have certainty entering into the picture with exclamation points. Certainty. This person has got to be certain he is not in that place. And you can hound him and badger him (to the point where you don't break off two-way communication entirely), until you actually do find a place where he's absolutely sure he's not.

One of the most difficult things a thetan faces is really trying to affect another thetan or to be an effect himself, or to actually overtly discover the cause of anything. You see, the cause, the real cause of anything, has no mass and so can't be located in space. All right.

And at that moment, an individual who is using remote viewpoints (a technical term, meaning a thetan who is afraid to look from where he is; he puts a viewpoint over there and looks from that) — a person who is using re-mote viewpoints of one kind or another is capable of seeing from where he is. And occlusion is simply using remote viewpoints and then having the remote viewpoints go blind. See, the fellow puts something over four yards from him and looks with that. He doesn't look from where he is. You see?

So this thetan must have postulated that he was something, that he's being something, before he can be the effect of force. Do you follow that now? Overt-motivator phenomena, all these other things, can only take place if the individual has postulated that he is something that can be the effect of force.

By the way, you take a look: "How far is Los Angeles?" — you're spotting spots — and all of a sudden you'll get a picture of Los Angeles in front of his face. He's got a remote viewpoint parked over Los Angeles.

And so, one of the best ways I know of — if somebody has very poor perception — one of the most effective things that you can do with him to improve his perception is just ask him, "Now, look around you and find some-thing that it is safe for you to look at." "What is there in this room that's safe for you to look at?" you say to him.

The only reason he sees with his MEST eyes, by the way, is because he's got two little gold discs, one over each eye, and he's looking with those discs. It's very amusing. He's got it all figured out that when he shuts his eyes, you see, the gold discs won't see. But the gold discs happen to be in front of the eyelids in most cases. He would keep on seeing if he didn't say, "Now my eyes are shut." So he has to turn off his own visio, see, in order to shut his eyes.

Oh, and some of these thetans, they'll look and they'll look and they'll look and they'll look, and they'll finally opine that there probably is a dust particle under the couch that it would be really safe for them to look at. Ah, but that's an improvement. "Find something else that it would be safe for you to look at. Something else it would be safe for you to look at." And get an answer each time from him. "Something else it would be safe for you to look at. Something else it would be safe for you to look at." And do you know the environment becomes plainer and plainer?

Well, these remote viewpoints are buttered all over the place and a per-son, then, when he's asked where he is not, will suddenly tap in onto old remote viewpoints. And these darned old remote viewpoints, they'll give him the idea that he's there.

And now you could go out the same line, and you could say, "Give me something now which it would be safe for you to hear." And he'll get a condition or a concept at first: "Well, somebody could say 'Hello' to me, you know, or 'Good day' or 'How are you?' That would be safe to hear." He means the idea would be safe to pay some attention to.

So you'll have the guy totally badgered. Everything and everybody — he's there. No matter what he looks at, he's there. See? No matter what he thinks of, he's there. This is obsession; and this gets a fellow twisting and shifting valences.

You want a beam of energy of something that it would be really safe to hear. But you just ask him this and he'll improve his consideration. The simple auditing command is "Give me something which would be safe for you to listen to." That's while he's exteriorized, you see.

He walks up to somebody, and this fellow has got a cough, you know? The fellow is going "Cough-cough-cough-cough!" And this fellow with the re-mote viewpoints all over the place and so forth, he probably won't even notice it. But he'll walk away from there, at least for a little while, going, "Coughcough-cough-cough" — something wrong with his throat. See, he's buttered all over the universe; he's got remote viewpoints out there.

Now, you could run this process interiorized, too, you see. But it really is a Route 1 process, or exteriorized process. "Give me something that is safe for you to look at." Now, there's Straightwire questions which are used on an interiorized basis: "What wouldn't you mind looking at?" You see, that's the same sort of thing. "What wouldn't you mind listening to?" "What would listen to you?" "What wouldn't you mind looking at you?" Something on this order will pro-duce a considerable change on somebody whether he's inside or outside.

Well, you're asking him to recognize his own actual location when you ask him places he's not. In view of the fact that the thetan really isn't any-where, he has to place himself by postulate. You see, "I am here, therefore I can see from here." See, he has to postulate that before he can do it. He has to be able to do that before he is stably exteriorized, and one of the ways of doing this is asking him places where he's not.

But the basic question of R1-8 is: You tell him, "Now, look around. Now, what is it safe for you to look at in the environment, in your surroundings here?" And just get them to name item after item after item after item. "Now, what is it safe for you to listen to?" And if you wanted to go the rest of the way on perception, "What would it be safe for you to smell?" "What would it be safe for you to taste?" You see? And he gradually has to improve his consideration and he realizes that he can experience force — that there aren't forces immediately surrounding him here which are going to murder him, mow him down, blow him up.

He'll look around, finding places where he thinks he is, and he will as-is out of existence lots of these old remote viewpoints.

A lot of people, the first moment they exteriorize, will hear the auditor's voice while exteriorized, and it will scare them half out of their wits. And they will go back inside — boom! — you see, and then you have to dig them out again. Hearing something outside is very startling to them. That's because you're asking them to take on more than they can.

A curious process. We play it with absolute certainty. We work with the person no matter how long.

You've got to let a thetan learn that he can safely experience any force phenomena in this universe before he will cease to be trapped in the universe. As long as he is going to be afraid of force phenomena in this universe, he is going to be trapped in this universe. Do you follow me?

Other phenomena turn up with this, by the way. At first he finds spots way, way out, see? And then he finds spots right up close. And then he finds spots a little less further out. And then he finds spots closer. And then he finds spots a little less further out. And then he finds closer spots, and then he finds nearer spots.

The only way you make him trapped in anything is get him to be afraid of the force phenomena. The greatest thing a thetan is afraid of, of course, is unknowns. But that's also taken up in Route 2; he's afraid of not-knowing. But then afraid of not-knowing is the consideration back of the consideration of force.

For instance, "Give me some places where you're not."

Okay. Now, do you understand this Route 1, part 8?

"Well, I'm not in England. I'm not in South Africa. I'm not in China." He'll really be able to get these (not giving you these answers this fast). "I'm — I'm not in Siberia. Huh, I'm not in that chair right there in front of me, you see. I'm not in that other chair right in front of me. I'm not in Washington, DC. I'm not in Los Angeles. I'm not here in the rug. I'm not in New Mexico" — you know, all the time coming in closer and closer, and all of a sudden, why, bang, he's pinpointed. Here he is. And this time his visio will turn on if you'd kept up this process — marvelous process.

Good.

But remember, it's destructive of havingness. So remember, when you are running it. For heaven sakes, have him "Mock up some anchor points and pull them in. Mock up some anchor points and pull them in. Mock up some anchor..."

"What do you mean by anchor points?" he'll say.

"Oh, gold balls, or something of the sort. Just some mass. And pull it in on yourself' — not on the body: on a thetan. 'All right. Let's find some more places where you're not. Some more places where you're not. Some more places where you're not. Some more places where you're not. Eight anchor points and pull them in. Eight anchor points and pull them in." You'll have to remedy havingness as you run the process. It isn't mentioned in the Auditor's Handbook. That's why you're being trained as auditors — things I forgot to put in the Handbook. If I'd put everything in the Handbook you wouldn't have to be trained as auditors.

Okay. Actually, getting you to see the light — that there is no glaring light shining in your eyes, but that you are the glaring light of the world — is the real reason we're training you. Well, we'd never mention that to you.

Okay.