& Voice in audience: He's looking for me, that's why he hasn't found you.

Its name may have been Smith for a long time. Now this is simply theory, unchecked, but it could account for this very interesting manifestation of a similarity of physiology from generation to generation in one family, but marked differences of personality. Because your protoplasm lines, evolutionary line, is entered at random by theta bodies. Very few theta bodies go on being Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith; they go Smith, Jones, Bersawisky - anything. Well, you see how that would operate.

& Yeah?

Another thing is dreams. This makes dreams quite comprehensible. A dream could be occasioned in several ways. One of the ways it could be occasioned is by an aesthetic production by one of the entities - just a straight aesthetic production. Another way that it could be occasioned is by an entity reliving or reexperiencing some incident in its past. And that's a - been a long past. And it could be another entity suddenly awake and picking the data bank of a dramatizing entity. See, this entity B over here is in this incident. And all of a sudden, although the preclear is mostly asleep, your incident, then, is picked up telepathically. And what you record onto the state of beingness which you are at the time - which, by the way, is the only thing that's going awake and asleep - the being which you are or the entity which you are at the time goes awake and asleep and the others just are more or less asleep anyhow. And what you have there, then, is this entity which is asleep - going to sleep, leaving the other entities quite free to express themselves one way or another, unmonitored inside the body. And they will actually astral walk in sleep, they'll go off other places, they'll wander around and so on. They do that in the daytime, anyhow, too. And you get this "cross-telepathy," so on.

& Voice in audience: Just waiting to put my me with the filing tax. I ain't saying nothing.

Your electronics people, that is to say, the native MEST universe people (God forgive us!)

& What do you know? Well we've got to make a couple of theta clears quick and wreck these income tax people right quick.

& has the idea that an imagination is only possible - has an imagination which is only capable of fitting together the component parts of what the individual already knows and has seen and experienced. Uh-huh.

Tonight, tonight I'm going to give you two, two talks with possibly a very short demonstration. I'm going to carry this forward very rapidly, I didn't realize last night until the intermission that a lot of people completely unfamiliar with Dianetics were present and I'm going to feed it to you hot and fast, just more or less like it will come out on the summer course.

This is what an electronics computer would work like. Theta is quite aesthetic and it is capable of tailor-making something out of whole cloth. But you take an entity or a theta being which has been told, by actual count, eight quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-two million, nine hundred and fifty-four billion, eight hundred and sixty- seven million, three hundred and twenty-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-two and a half times, by almost that many mothers, "You mustn't use your imagination!" And the fellow becomes convinced after a while that it's only safe to (quote) "imagine" what he has been told he could imagine.

Tonight I want to talk to you about theta bodies. The anatomy of a theta body itself and the anatomy of a composite which you are calling you, and you might find this of considerable interest. This is a matter of research which is quite old. People have been working in this field on Earth here, that I know about, for the last ten thousand years, and they've been working elsewhere on this field for many more years than that. And the data which has been amassed has more or less up to this time, been one sided. Nobody went backwards on this data. That is to say, they knew how to do things to theta bodies and they knew how theta bodies would behave when you did things to them, but they did not know what to do to a theta body to undo what was done to it.

Theta beingness can soar on imagination to unbelievable heights of new construction, because that's what theta does.

In other words, the reverse process. Now by getting some thought, emotion, effort recordings, facsimiles and now the anatomy itself of the theta body it is possible for us to turn around and reverse vector on this whole problem. We can take apart what has been done to theta bodies. We can examine what theta bodies are natively and what are their, at least the greater part of their total potentials.

Theta does not experience. Experience is something native in the MEST universe - sort of nasty stuff that people said you had to have. But you don't have to have it; you can extrapolate any experience in any direction, but practically no person at the state that the world is in and the race is in at the moment does this kind of an operation. They just don 't operate this way. They don't imagine, that's all. Imagination is practically dead.

It becomes obvious that nothing that has been done to a theta body in the last trillion years, if you will pardon my statement, I'm merely following an electro psychometer's reading preclear after preclear, trillion or trillions of years is about the age of the theta body, MEST universe time. It is discoverable now that the theta body at one time possessed enormous potentials and did not need very much of what we call experience. And that these potentials were seen and recognized for their potentialities, the potentialities of the theta body were such that at no time could anyone thoroughly control them. And today theta bodies can turn around and move out of this control sector.

The theta being and its partner are the imaginers, and they're in such bad states that there isn't much you can do about it - as witness most of the popular magazine stories today. They're all down in the apathy band.

So the whole effort of the last umpteen lord knows how long years, has been a bust. There, in other words, the efforts of controlling, localizing, centralizing, compounding, impacting, upsetting, turning around, using theta bodies has been fruitless. Nobody knew how to turn these things around until he knew something about thought, emotion, effort. Now all of a sudden we take apart the composite theta body which is you, into its component theta bodies, and we take these apart as regard to the experience, and we find the potentiality of which a central theta line is capable. And this is not slight, this is tremendous. We're back at the potentiality as it was, plus the knowledge of how to take it apart if it gets any other way than how it was. So we've made a little bit out of this, if anything.

Now, something else you might like to know about this. There are several things you might like to know about this that have turned up from one time or another. And this is going to come up here in the rest of this, but I want to comment on it this place, and then comment on it in what is the next lecture, because it's something you will find very interesting.

Now if anybody becomes uncomfortable while I'm talking here, be assured it is probably a temporary condition. Very few of these composite bodies are very well stuck together. They're not well glued, in other words, and at the first signals of awareness, things start to happen. Actually at this time and with the subject matter which I'm giving you tonight, you won't probably experience much more than a mild somatic or a hot somatic or feel an empty space or something of the sort. But what we're dealing with is very root stuff. Up to this time we've been dealing with facsimiles. Now we are dealing with the theta body and part, partly with facsimiles. But if you can introduce the awareness of each part of the composite which is you, you get total awareness and you also lose a lot of parts; this is not bad.

Evidently, and I won't say this certainly, emotion is installed. It is an installed thing; its MEST universe installed - what you call emotion. Boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief and apathy are carefully installed; they are nothing else but installed! And boy, that's very important to you because you can knock out the whole emotional bank by auditing on the theta being side. (audience laughter)

It is interesting as we view the fact of theta bodies, how many people were very right on the subject. When I was a very young fellow in India, the things that I was told were to me undemonstrable to a large extent, and yet one had a haunting feeling that they were so. And one could go around and look at people here and there and see that there was some ghost of proof about this. Now we have tools that take apart practically everything that has been stated correctly about the human soul, the human beingness and so on. And we can examine this for ourselves, which makes this very interesting.

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I have found this a very fascinating line of research. You might realize that much of this research has been kept under a lid. The tone scale of Dianetics which was drawn in December and January 1950-51, had a bar up at the top of it which said "One thousand, capabilities unknown," or "capabilities unexplored," I was actually into this line of research with both feet at the time. But we had to build a bridge. Now that bridge was simply learning the mechanics of thought, emotion and effort. How does the theta body effect the physical universe, how does the physical universe effect the theta body?

[The pc sounds female]

Let us take it now just as thoroughly and as calmly and dispassionately as MEST anatomy is taken out of Gray's historic book on anatomy, and look at a composite body. A human being, what we're calling today homo sapiens, is a composite of about seven theta lines, about seven. And these theta lines are each one a theta body in it's own right, and some of these seven are slightly composite. That is to say, they may consist of two or three, but they call them central theta lines. Now these are theta bodies. They come together from their first level into a greater and greater degree of complexity, simply by adding new lines or adding new bodies. And this is no more, no less complicated than simply taking the digit two, which is evidently the basic unit and then we add two more, we add three, and then we add two more on top of that. There are usually three specific incidents on the track which are additive incidents, call them in slang, joiners. And these lines come together then. First they suddenly appear as two, there are two theta bodies which become a composite of one theta body.

Ok let's take a look at the track.

Now I'm not talking now in terms of all the incidents there are. You see, each one of these has had an experience before it joins up as this first composite. And we'll call this first composite a personality, something of the sort. Now here you have then the basic unit of two. Back of that, these two have broken away from the main body of theta, two or three minor incidents have occurred and we get down to this basic unit of two. That's joiner one. Usually one faces forward and one faces back. They are put together face to face. Now these are outside of any universe that we know about. They begin outside of any universe that we know about. And they have the potentialities of goals. And each one probably has a slightly different goal than the other one, so that you get a good balance between the two. They have agreed on what their goals are and they've also agreed that their goals are different, some slight degree.

LRH: How old are you, natively? (pause) What did you think of?

We come down the line a little bit further and we get joiner one which is the first possibility of a body and this is another universe than the MEST universe again, usually. And I am now describing an average line, a line which you might find varying considerably from preclear to preclear. But your added three permits the first two to have a body. And this body possibly has many descriptions, you can get it variously described. But it doesn't have perceptions really as we know perceptions, because you still have theta body awareness of immortality and continuance and proceeding. Now on the entrance into the MEST universe, there is an additional addition.

PC: Ages.

Now this talk I'm giving you is not a talk describing the various incidents. I'm just showing you here is additive factors. These lines are coming together, and each time you have more composite for a body. Now that's what's important because these things are making a body or they're entering bodies and so on.

LRH: Ages. Is it worse than ages?

Then you get what we call the genetic line. Now this genetic line, which produces your present body, actually is a continuance through the MEST universe here on Earth. And you didn't join this line as the composite theta body line, "you", until well, varying terms of years ago, maybe two, three or ten thousand years ago. But this genetic line has its own theta body, and as the Greeks said, the mind was in the stomach. it carried what you might call a theta body line in the stomach. That was its center of awareness. And when it was joined, it was joined in the head by the other lines and in short, you had a genetic line coming along and being joined by an already composite line.

PC: Immeasurable, by present-day standards.

Now the composite line had what you might call a stomach theta body, or a stomach soul. And this stomach soul and the genetic line soul are overlaid in the middle of the body. And their conflicts, upsets and so forth are many, and there is your anxiety stomach, your general fear reaction, and the theta body composite that comes in on the theta body line, not the genetic line. We'll call this other a genetic theta line, just for a better use. This composite line stomach soul is quite often if not almost always, psychotic. That stomach soul is psychotic. It has been through just once too many and a little bit too much. And it's interesting that you can take this, this particular theta body and bring it up to present time and knock out an anxiety stomach very easily, or even, even let this entity go away.

LRH: Immeasurable. Pretty long, then. How about a trillion years?

Now this is more or less an average number of standard lines that make up the composite which is referred to as homo sapiens. It's interesting and extremely interesting that none of these lines need any of the other of these lines to be a complete entity. But they are joined together. They are under compulsion and they are under duress because they have been used, they have been abused and they have been united for other purposes than those in the best interest of self determinism. Self determinism has been led however, all down the line to slightly aid, abet and help out this composite state.

PC: Possibly longer than that.

Now riding over the top of this whole line all the way down through the universes to now evidently, is this first duo, the first double, the basic unit two. And one of these theta lines is slightly senior to the other. And that you will find, as the others peel off, is the native, controlling, natural you; and that's what you recognize as you. You say, "Who am I?" well, it is the senior of the first duo. And the conduct of the senior of the first duo is modified by the junior of those two, and is then modified by the additive lines on and on and on and on until the senior of those is quite normally asleep, gone. As far as he's concerned, he believes he's dead or he has strange ideas about himself. His ideas of awareness, he's sort of delegated everything to everything else. He's in apathy, really. Homo, homo sapiens.

LRH: Trillions? Way up there. Millions? What did you think of?

The activities in which people engage are quite normally carried through lower levels of the theta line. And people quite commonly run on their right sides, or their left sides which, by the way, is the next factor I would like to tell you about.

PC: Three or four trillion.

These theta lines have anatomical positions in the body. You can easily discover these. You'll know where they are, what they do, what they try to control. It is very interesting that they are not necessary, any of these added lines, to the control of the body. The central senior soul, the central senior theta line is itself completely capable of doing the entire job. And the person could only be considered, could be considered a clear only if he were monitored and governed solely from this unity of one. And your second one might still remain, but it would be a junior position.

LRH: Three or four trillions. You three or four trillion years old? Well, we'll take that as an answer because there shouldn't be very much charge on it - the person is.

Now here you have then, here you have unnecessary additives all the way down the line. And these, these additives however, have taken over anatomical positions. Precise you might say, a geographic position in the human body. There's one on the right side, there's one on the left side, of the central soul. There's one behind the central soul and there's one in the solar plexus area, and then the next two are outboard of the first two I've mentioned, so that you have the two outboard souls. Then the next one is the stomach soul with the two side inboard souls. So your right side would have two souls, your left side has two souls. And then you have the central soul forward and the central soul back. And in addition to all these there is the theta body of the genetic line which is evidently resident somewhere in the middle of the body.

Were you initially just one? Mm-hm? Which one is that now?

Now the theta body of the genetic line could of course swell up and take entire command of the body, and so could any other theta line we have. Any one of them could take over almost or complete control of the body, or can take over a sectional control of the body. A little bit of it or a lot of it. Any one of them has this potentiality. And what are we looking at now? We're looking at theta bodies in their essence. A theta body then, is nothing more and nothing less than the personality that you talk to every day, and it has no difference whatsoever between itself in an aberrated state and a human being at any given moment, because at any given moment a human being is actually running on one theta body. Of course that one theta body can be modified by having to look through another theta body in order to express itself, and there's complications of this character. But I want to drive this home very thoroughly, is there's nothing strange about a theta body. You walk with them, you talk with them, you are them. And the reason I'm calling them theta bodies is to give you a very good differentiation, because a human being, homo sapiens, as he exists today in a normal state, is a composite of these bodies. But he is manifesting usually, only one of these personalities.

PC: Me? Possibly.

Now, homo sapiens is in the very interesting state of having the upper two centers, if seen or heard at all, in a sort of a background awareness state that only, about the only way they would ever come through to you, if they got very interested they'd give you flash answers.

LRH: Me. Where is it resident?

Now here then you have other modifications and you have these others, one by one down the line at one time or another, have been almost in entire control of the body, and the bulk of them but not the first two, are psychotic. The bulk of the theta bodies which are different than those first two, are in this society, mad as hatters. You ask them to come up to present time and you get snapped at and snarled at. Any one of them forms the foundation of what we called earlier in Dianetics, demon circuitry.

PC: Within me.

The demon circuitry sets as individual and obsessions in the theta body, and these theta bodies being low toned and in a somewhat hypnotic and neurotic, at least, state, will copy and mimic other human beings which they observe or feel in their environment. And they will hold these imitations and they will hold on to the aberrations which they observe and they are very confused, normally. They're extremely confused. They do not know there are any other theta bodies present, and they are just as willing to hurt a body as to help it. A peson's right hand is always cutting him. Well, it's either the inboard right hand soul or the outboard right hand soul is sort of cross about the whole thing, and you as the auditor start to address this soul, and you get the most interesting responses.

LRH: All through you? Okay, that's fine.

What is this soul's regard toward this body? Very often you'll get something very foggy, "What body?" Sometimes you'll get, "Well I got to kill him," and so on. But here you're getting a response different than the early responses on circuitry. Now you know, in the old days I tried to keep people from examining this. I might as well confess now, the demon circuits themselves could be cleared by picking up incidents. But the theta bodies themselves were very, very tricky to handle and one had to find out several things about them. And one of the things one had to find out about them is, are they all following the same rule of order? Do they all respond to the same mechanics or are there such things as demons, idle spirits, devils, any one of these things, or are they just psychotics? Or what? And it turns out after a great deal of research that they're just normal or neurotic or psychotic and so on, in their effects on a preclear.

Now, we'll just plot this. And what I'm showing you here is how to plot a track, not the plot of a track. You get the difference? This is how to plot a track.

The anatomy then of a composite theta body which is you, is traceable back down this minimum, minimum as far as I've been able to determine, and though my figures are, the number of cases is not as large as I would like to have it, it's seven. The minimum is seven. Why do I say minimum? It's because every one of those joiners has put into every one of these theta bodies, the compulsion to pick up more theta bodies. And it does so automatically, does so just automatically, so that somebody comes along and he commits an overt act. He kills, he kills our old friend Bill or something of the sort, and then he says, "Gee this is uuh, too bad I killed Bill." He's got Bill. He's got the composite Bill. He's got all of Bill.

[question from audience - unintelligible]

And it actually can get down to a point where the composite you, fortunately very lightly so, can actually be influenced by thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of theta lines which you've picked up, but which aren't your theta lines. You're just sort of holding them trapped. And they've tried to go back, and go where they're supposed to go between lives and they try to do this and they try to do that. Maybe they're so groggy they don't know enough to do this, and so on. You take somebody who is really sick and you run out an overt act, if he'll get a grief charge on it or if you reduce this overt act, you have probably also jettisoned a captured theta body, just like that.

Okay. NOW, here we have-let's take it up here [marking on black board] and let's take it - inception. And here we have one being, and we're going out on a time line here, from there to present time according to the machine, of three to four trillion years. Now, let's find out what's happened in those three or four trillion years.

Now it's wonderful what the aberrations are on this theta line, the aberration of a theta body. It is fabulous because it is very standard. There are very few of them and they are best described by reading the bottom of the chart of attitudes plus two, plus two columns. And that one column would be freedom at the top and restraint at the bottom, and win at the top and lose at the bottom. That would be fourteen buttons on the chart of attitudes and the bottom line would describe pretty well the complete aberration or the completely aberrated theta body. For instance, "I know not, I am not, I am nothing but effect," and so on.

Take a look here at the E-Meter. Did this - what did you think of?

Freedom/restraint column comes in interestingly because need or desire for or compulsion to have a body is on that column, and that is just an aberration. So as you take a person up that column on need of and care of the body, it forms one of the most powerful processes there is. Very interesting process. And the other column of course, is lose. They are trying to lose because it's the only way they can get free. But what does lose mean? Lose would also mean just jettisoning this body, so it would align with a cross on those two columns. The only way it could get out of this universe is to fail enough to lose, and people try that.

A lot of things happened? What did you think of?

TBD magnet Now what happens to these theta lines? What happens to them when they become psychotic or neurotic or normal, what happens to them? They simply run down the line with less and less sense, with less and less power, with less and less direction. And so arrive at what the mystic normally referred to, or the spiritualist, correcting myself, referred to as the idle spirit. The psychotic theta body is what we call demons and they're very magnet as genies and so forth. If you want to know then what an aberrated theta body looks like, just look at an aberrated human being, that's all. Just look at an aberrated human being and you're looking at an approximation of this.

PC: Well, I was thinking about some ancient buildings.

TBD terminals or channels? Now it has some specific obsessions with which you should be very well familiar. And these obsessions are these. One, it has to have a body. Two, it has to be, these are plants, by the way, these are planted. There are points on the track where they've agreed to this, but these are mostly implanted into the theta body to get it into order. Has to have a body. And two, it cannot perceive without looking through a body's perceptic terminals.

LRH: Some ancient buildings. Mm-hm. These in the theta universe or the MEST universe.

Now get that as important because it's a blinder. It has to stand behind a pair of optic nerves before it can get a facsimile of this MEST universe, it thinks. It has to stand behind ears before it can hear. It has to stand back of a whole battery of nerve channels in order to feel. And this should explain to you immediately why it is so easy to shut off - recall perceptions, are very easily shut off, simply because they lie squarely on top of the theta line obsessions that won't see, feel or hear or anything.

PC: In the MEST universe.

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LRH: Yeah, well, that's ... Ah, between lives?

It's quite interesting material to find out that you can get complications in a case to the degree that you can get, because of these variables.

PC: (laugh)

When you have seven preclears on a couch and any one of those seven may have a half a dozen more, things can get quite complicated.

LRH: MEST universe between lives?

The only way I've been able to thread through this with great accuracy, has been with an E-meter because they'll generally answer up if put to the question in this fashion. Now most of your preclears have an enormous number of potential chronic somatics.

PC: Possibly.

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LRH: Or before the between-lives cycle?

..chronic somatic and then get rid of another chronic somatic. And each one unless you've kept on with your processing, would continue to be chronic from the moment you stop the processing. You see how that would be? Some of you have had that happen to preclears.

Before the between-lives cycle. Is that where you lived before ... Is that before earth? Is that on earth7

You get them all over a psychosomatic nose condition and after that they have psychosomatic toenail condition. Now your experience in this line however, has not been anywhere near as bad as old time psychotherapy. This was nightmare alley because as soon as you persuaded somebody, and argued somebody in him, which they weren't trying to do, argued somebody into not doing that anymore, something else came in and said, "Well we'll do this now." A psychotherapist then assumed as a rule of the road that any time you got rid of a psychosomatic illness in a preclear, you would then find another psychosomatic illness substituting for it in the preclear. This was a rule of the road. They just got to a point finally, where they would diagnose all psychosomatic illnesses as substitutions for something else. Well that's quite interesting. A substitution was a substitution, was a sublimation, was a substitution. How else could you look at it with this may variables and with no means actually, to eradicate that particular psychosomatic illness so it wouldn't kick back? This was a very difficult problem.

PC: No!

Now any one of the entities with which you are dealing, any one of the theta bodies with which you are dealing in a preclear, is capable of producing an almost unlimited number of psychosomatic illnesses. You could get something like this. Supposing your preclear was just one theta body, so on. You're familiar with this condition. You audit him for a while and you get him up to a position where he's no longer stuck in that engram. No longer in that incident, and now he's in another incident. Now you'd audit that incident long enough so that he was no longer stuck in that incident or it didn't influence him, he'd be in another one. Meantime sort of coming on up the track, a little bit later and later incidents, or maybe sometimes flicking back and going into earlier incidents. There's a finite end to such a thing.

LRH: No? All right, the machine drops; says no. Where was it? In this system? In this planetary system?

So long as you as an auditor do not become tired, you can actually, tired or low in tone or discouraged or something of the sort, you can actually exert enough influence on this preclear to hold him in one theta body. That's a trick which is observable. You've seen some preclear change auditors and right away the second auditor gets an entirely different case. And he comes around and he says, "Well you know that case, and you were trying to run out all those prenatals and those locks on the mother and so forth. Actually it was the father. Father was the whole solution of the case," and drop a curve on you. And they were auditing another theta body.

PC: Um-very, very far away.

Now if you change from a man to a woman auditor, the man will find himself auditing one theta body, and the woman auditor will find herself auditing quite another theta body automatically, because men and women are responded to in a preclear by different theta bodies.

LRH: Very far away. This galaxy?

TBD grow Now these variables need not be perplexing and are actually only perplexing if they aren't understood. If you realize suddenly that you're playing an organ with twelve stops, you can reach in and pull the stops in and out. That's very simple, and you can play Home Sweet Home twelve times. Fortunately for you, all these beings don't receive the same engram at the same moment. Now you've seen this trick of valence manifestation. You take the preclear back on the track and he's way out of valence, and you work and work and work to get him in valence. Well there's a good reason why you're working to get him in valence. What you're doing when he's out of valence, you'd be trying to audit an observer. Well now, it so happened that this observing theta body would actually have some charge on the incident. This observing theta body which is the preclear too, would be watching this incident happen and he doesn't like it just as an observer, just as any other observer in the room wouldn't like it. So you can audit out. But for heaven's sakes, audit it out as an observer. Don't just harass the preclear to get him into valence, just audit him out as an observer. Alright, so you watch this. OK, grow it.

PC: No.

You will find as you run the case, that gradually you can bring such an incident, and this is the manifestation of running through an incident several times and then suddenly finding the person in valence. What you do is audit out this observer, this observer, and then audit out one observer over here and then audit out one observer over here. And then all of a sudden this central case here, you come onto that and it alerts because why? Because it's getting the incident restimulated. The theta being is getting the incident restimulated over and over by these observers. They go through the incident, observers go through the incident and that restimulates your center one, so all of a sudden he's on to the incident. And he's awake in it.

LRH: Another island galaxy?

Generally when you see this manifestation, the person the preclear was, the being the preclear was at the time, is getting so much charge during the incident that quite often if it's a severe incident that entity stops there and sort of passes out, goes to sleep, considers it's dead, considers it's finished, that it is no more, there's no use to carry on, it stops right there on the track. But with this other stuff going on around it, all of a sudden it will shake loose enough on the track so that you can audit it, wakes up to that degree.

PC: Well, I get the impression of a very, very bright star.

Now let us clarify terminology here, then. We wanted to really be precise in any communication, we say exactly what we mean and therefore we have to have some words that say exactly what they mean. So for no other reason than that we can find it handy in communication, let us classify these bodies, these theta bodies, in this wise. Let's call the theta being, let's say theta being would be the central senior person, the one that the person would be, your preclear would be if he were entirely cleared up on his way to a theta clear. And this would be the last entity you would be addressing. That's the top, senior entity and the one which will preserve as the preclear. Let's call that a theta being, or his theta being. Now let's call the remaining theta bodies, let's call these remaining theta bodies souls; and not call this... You don't like that word. Alright, what do you want for words? Let's call them then, entities. Let's call them entities. Hm?

LRH: A very bright star, maybe another galaxy. A long way off, huh? At least a long way off. How long ago was this? Order of magnitude?

TBD Male Voice: Possession Entities

PC: Oh, couple of million years ago, possibly.

Alright. You've got a whole series of these now, 'cause these by the way, have not walked in. These have not walked in unbidden. They are actually have been gathered up in groups. Some of them are there under compulsion from elsewhere.

LRH: Two million years ago? Something like that?

Now let's call the third order; these are the ones that are supposed to be there; this would include the theta being and then six entities and then the remaining ones, let's call these things idle entities, or some such word. These idle ones then, are very idle. They are actually theta beings which have run downhill to the point where they're practically out the bottom. They couldn't have a body if, it's just, that's where your; by the way, that's where all these beings go eventually. They just peel off downhill they're longer capable of having bodies, they're so thoroughly stuck on the track. Well, there's these idle beings.

PC: No, longer than that.

Male voice: You call those vampires?

LRH: Three million?

Well they'd be vampires, alright. OK.

PC: Eight.

Now those come in on the individual. They come in on the individual, but not unbidden. He asked for them. Or one of his, one of his entities asked for them authorizedly or unauthorizedly, out of a compulsion to join up. Therefore you have this, this stack that looks like this. First there's the theta being. Now it has co-mingled in company, but hasn't co-mingled in identity, with a second, with a second being. Now this other being's pretty senior and probably won't leave. These two then have added to them, these entities, one after the other. And these entities in turn have enough compulsion on them to add in even more beings, so that you eventually wind up with a very large number.

LRH: Eight million? Eight million? Two million? Three? Four? Between three and four? What are you thinking of?

Now an entity then, is classifiable to the degree that any entity may have an elsewhere body, for homo sapiens at the present time, any entity may have an elsewhere body. These idle ones generally don't. The theta being may himself have an entity - a - another body. May have. There's no reason to be very complex about this. We could each, actually go through and number them on their positions and you'd know exactly where they are.

PC: I'm just watching that.

The theta being normally faces forward and is in the head and can emanate there into the whole body and can be the whole body. And when your preclear is well, when he is well disposed, when he is in good condition and so on, it will be this being that he is. The second one has different goals but is sort of a partner to the first one. And it normally considers itself to be facing back in the head, because where it's most easily reached. And it too could pervade the whole body without any very bad consequences, although the goals of this being, this entity, are not as high or as good as the theta being's goals. Alright.

LRH: You're not thinking.

Your next being would be the right inside, and the next being the left inside; these are entities, now; right inside, left inside and stomach. And now you have two more entities added. Now I don't know whether this happened in every case, but these last entities seem to have been added after Earth. They were added here on Earth somehow or other. I haven't that story very clear yet. And there is another entity which is the somatic entity, which is continued all the way along the track as the body. And it's actually responsible for having developed the body and has on its file all of the genetic line data, like the Boohoo, the Helper, and so forth. That's its data bank.

PC: (laughter) It said eight, possibly more.

Now each one of these, at one time or another in a preclear's many existences, has been in charge. Not for any other reason than that the theta being has gone to sleep or has failed or has been pushed out of a position of command. And so most people have one or another of these beings taking over this way and that. Very interesting. Some of these entities are or have been theta beings, and as such are accompanied by their own sub-order. But you find them all in the same location, all in the same location, so don't be surprised. This is why I say it takes an E-meter to keep track of all these, because any one of them, and this is a rule of the road on this, any one of these can take over and invest the entire body, can operate solely with its own data bank and can create a somatic anywhere in the body. The geographical locale is only where you will find them more or less native. But they can actually take that area and extend from that area and become the whole being or extend from that area and suddenly control a part of the body which is quite distant from their seat of command.

LRH: Oh, you're looking at this needle to check it?

Now let no one be confused about the theory of epicenters. The theory of epicenters is quite valid. It is a trace, a tracking of how the body evolved. And all of these epicenters have data banks but they are all under the command of the somatic entity. And the somatic entity has, as it comes along, been formed and added to structurally. So the control centers or the epicenters of a body are merely the points of the body from which the mechanisms and limbs of the body are handled. And they came into existence very smoothly by counter-efforts being applied to that point. That's structure, that's physical structure.

PC: Well, is it - does it - okay, maybe it's best I don't look.

Now get this picture. Here is a big control panel. Every button on this big control panel could be called an epicenter; might say an embryonic brain or a nerve center, a command post or something; and here are all these buttons. And you push one of these buttons and certain lights go on and certain motions take place. A doctor takes his hammer, his little rubber hammer, and taps somebody on the knee cap and the, and the leg flies out. And he says, "Well your central nervous system's in good condition." In other words he's saying that epicenter's connected, because he can come along and by the application of mechanical motion, create a structural response. Now that's what an epicenter is, it's just a push button. It's built in structure and it has neurons, synapses and so on. It's just the mechanics of a body.

LRH: She's guessing against the needle now. Well, that's all right; you can do that. It doesn't invalidate the needle any. just makes it a little bit slower to answer.

Now here's this big switchboard. Who's running it? The theta being is the person who's supposed to be running it, amongst other things. He can do lots of things besides run this switchboard. As long as you are the theta being, then anybody could theoretically come along and run this switchboard, particularly a theta being. The somatic entity actually is very, very low in command power, compared to the theta being. But before, before this Earth body was joined up by a theta being or any entities, it was running along just fine. It was thinking, it was operating, it was acting, it was not too intelligent, it was not too fast. You get a preclear sometime back to a time when you have him with a theta body and he's in the, in a sloth, and he is thinking. I had that experience one time. I think I blew a line charge for a long while. "Now I am going to think." Signal for action.

Was it eight million years ago? Two? Three? Four? Five? Five million years ago? Okay, that's good enough. What's a million years?

Now heretofore, before this theta being and the entities joined this body, the somatic entity then was in complete charge of this switchboard button control. And it could walk up to this button control you might say, and say, "Well we lift this arm, we lift this leg, and we lift this arm, we lift this leg," bump bump bump bump, push push, operating on epicenters to do this sort of thing. Your switchboard system is tapped and that hits the other control centers and these things operate, muscles flex and blood runs and all sorts of interesting things happen in this carbon/oxygen engine. So along comes the theta being. A child has a rather hard time of it, has to learn how to handle a switchboard. The child is quite intelligent. The theta being of the child is usually on the beginning of a cycle, very alert.

NOW, right down here, we're going to mark in "present time." Now we're going to go back here eight million years. I mean - what was that?

And so what do we get? We get a pilot, an untrained individual rather, shoved into suddenly, the cockpit of a B-47. There he sits with controls, controls, controls, controls. How does he hook up to the controls? How does he operate this mechanism? The body, the theta, the body is joined by the theta being and the other entities just before birth. And these beings have the strange obsession that they have to join the body by an entrance through the mouth. Odd, this is an old, old, old superstition and it's evidently true. But it's just a compulsion. They don't have to do that at all. And it's just before birth ordinarily, when this happens. The somatic being, entity is running the body up to that point. Alright, the theta being joins in. The next thing you know it starts to say, "How do we move an arm here? Which button?"

PC: Five.

We've all had lots of periods now, many lives when these buttons so, but there's a button around here someplace. And it also has to sort of train this body into it's responses. And so between the two you get a year or two before the baby is able to care for its whole body and operate. Now it gets along for quite a while. Children are quite responsive. They get, they're very good. And along about six, seven, eight, nine, a child is very accurate, his reaction time is very good. And then of course somebody comes along and punishes him or sends him to school or tortures him or grinds him up for hamburger, does something to him. And at that moment, the theta being fails. Well one of the things that it fails on school by the way, is it knows it. It knows all this. And then somebody comes along and says, "Now you have to learn this and we're going to punish you unless you learn it," and resultant confusion. "Why do I have to learn what I know?" And you get an awful confusion at that point and that starts to send the theta being down in tone.

LRH: Five million.

Well from there on out, it takes maybe just one operation, one accident, the theta being goes back of the switchboard and one by one these other entities will take over that switchboard. And the theta being is trying to operate through these other entities. Delegation of authority. He says, "I can no longer trust myself. Maybe Pete can do it. Maybe Bill can do it. Maybe Sue can do it." But what is this now? You're getting, you're getting one being going out and others, and other entities cutting in. But you're still getting the theta being operating on a level of awareness which is very, very, very low, but sometimes being quite intelligent if it's not taking any of the responsibility, and so it pushes solutions through.

& Ah, what's five million years.

Although the body is very definitely in the hands of some entity, the theta being pushes the solutions through of a problem here or a problem there. And sometimes it comes through quickly and sometimes it comes through very slowly. And you can actually snap the theta being into giving you responses, simply by asking for flash answers. This is your manifestation. He's not really just a file clerk. He's not a file clerk at all, actually. You're trying to reach the beingness of a person in this way.

Female voice: Five million.

Now when you start to audit this person the first thing that you ought to know is how many psychos do you have on your hands? That's the first thing you want to know. Who's stuck on the track? What is psychosis? You can reduce psychosis to this definition. Psychosis is the condition of an entity or idle spirit you might say, moving in to control, but being stuck on the track. Now that, that's psychosis; trying to control, stuck on the track. Now you can just throw away what you know about circuits, 'cause I'll show you what circuits are in a moment. But there is your basis on psychosis and also on neurosis. There's your basis on it.

LRH: Well, what's five million? Okay, five million years ago, there's something on the track there. Ancient buildings. Did these blow up?

What's our goal then? If you have a psychotic entity on your hands, your problem is a very simple problem all of a sudden. You don't have to worry much about a circuit. What you have to worry about is how do we get the preclear moving on the track, because for all intents and purposes and for the moment of your auditing, that entity that you're trying to audit is, is the preclear. Now you have to audit this entity, usually through the preclear, or you can audit this entity direct. It all depends on how high you are on the tone scale.

They blew up. Was that a whole civilization blowing up?

Now here you have then, a simple problem of finding out where he's stuck in the track and in what kind of an incident he's stuck. First, what entity is stuck, when is he stuck, and run it out. That's you run it out with thought, emotion and effort, routine procedure. Now if you can't contact him very well, you can do such tricks as making him remember something absolutely real. Or you can ask the preclear's higher levels to simply move in over this entity, possess the entity and boom him through the incident. Entity doesn't like that, but you can actually move in over the top of one of these entities and just grind him through the incident. He can't do anything about it, he won't even protest. But when they're very soundly out of communication and quite asleep, quite unconscious and so on, you quite often have to do this because they think this is happening just now. There's the big mistake they make in time. It seems to them that this place they're stuck and the incident which they're running is now. That is the manifestation of psychosis, the timelessness of an incident and the conviction that the incident is happening now.

PC: I think ...

Alright, with thought, emotion and effort then; either by making the preclear move over the top of the entity and push it on through, or directly to the entity making it go on through, or if you're high enough on the level, just moving in and going on through it yourself; you then bring this entity out of its era and you bring it into present time, in other words. And one after another you spot and straighten up these entities. Now you're going to find out, because of this little trick which I say might possibly be going on at this time on another planet, you may find out that you pick up each one of these sub-entities and you'll have to kick them over and run out a death on a simultaneous time track.

LRH: Is it? Whole civilization blow up?

You run out this death on them if there's, if it's there, because they're very ordinarily stuck in it if it's in restimulation at all. But if it's not, don't bother with it, just make sure they're in present time. And get the theta being of the individual alive, awake and alert as soon as possible. Get that being audited then, because that's what you're trying to address your auditing to. And the only reason you're trying to take these entities and other things present out of the way, is that you just want them out of the way so that you can audit this theta being. That is what you are doing. That's a very simple job. It becomes much simpler, much, much simpler as a concept, than any we have had before.

PC: I just get ...

Now get this about circuits. A circuit is quite real, but a circuit happens to be a being, an entity or an idle one, mimicking. And you know, a preclear goes low enough on the tone scale will get into a physiological rapport or a mental rapport with somebody and will mimic, mimic, mimic. That's hypnotism. And these, these entities will actually copy other people. They'll copy other people so thoroughly that they'll get their identity confused with those people. Thoroughly confused with them so that you get this kind of a manifestation. You start running this entity back and you find this entity is somebody that the person knew one time or another, and it isn't at all.

LRH: Whole thing blew up! What were the buildings like? Very pretty.?

You can shake this loose rather rapidly by just blowing a few locks. This entity will make an effort to control your preclear by imitating the people who have controlled your preclear. That's the goal or the compulsion was laid in by people who wanted to control them and so their efforts to control will be efforts to punish. So one of the first they'll do is try to influence thought. If that fails they'll influence emotion. If that fails they will turn on somatics and hold them on. Or they will simply imitate some person who has been able to control the preclear, such as papa, mama, teachers, something like that. They'll imitate the mannerisms and activities of this and so control the preclear.

PC: No.

Actually the recognition, the recognition of their existence and that they do have an identity which is distinct and separate from the people they are imitating and the recognition on the part of the theta being that that entity is there, practically kills their power. The case of the chronic somatic is something that you'll often find yourself resolving in fifteen or twenty minutes simply by building up a recognition on the part of the theta being.

LRH: Looked like Angkor Vat, that right?

Now when we've talked about communicating with your hand, communicating with your liver, communicating with somebody else, what you were doing was taking one of these entities or the theta being and pushing them as a control, into an area which they had not hitherto controlled. Now you can do this with any of the entities. You can coax any entity there to take over control of any area. Well you'd better ask yourself what is the basic purpose of this entity toward the theta being? What is the thirst to control of this entity? Because after you've done a good ARC job and you've said, "Now you want to get in control of this one, you want to get in control of that one, you want to move in on this, and let's get some affinity with your hand, and let's get, this or that," well you find out that you've put a schlook in there. And the next thing you know, the fellow who only had a mild ache and arthritis in one finger, and now his whole hand has arthritis.

[The R&D provides an interesting note here on Angkor Vat: a temple complex built in Cambodia in the 1100s, in the ancient city of Angkor (capital of an early civilization in Cambodia). Angkor Vat covers nearly one square mile and is rectangular and pyramidal in form. It has three stories, with towers, porticoes (porches consisting of a roof supported by columns, often at the entrance or across the front of a building), galleries (covered walks open at one side or having the roof supported by pillars), stairways, etc. The entire structure is covered with exquisite carvings. After Angkor was conquered by the Siamese in the fourteenth century, the city and its temples, in ruins, became buried in the jungle. The site was discovered by a French botanist in 1860.]

What do you want to put? Because you as an auditor actually can assist them to establish this thing. An E-meter will prevent you from making this mistake, but you should be able to prevent yourself from making this mistake anyway. Because an entity that will hurt a preclear or harm him is pretty bad. The theta being of an entity is usually very well intentioned toward him. Very well intentioned and would not hurt him, would not hold a somatic, would not hold an aberration up. All a theta being will do is more or less doze off and go to sleep.

PC: Mm-hm!

LRH: just about, okay. All right. Now ...

[This final section of HCL 21 "ANATOMY OF THE THETA BODY" is not on the old reel but is included in R&D volume 10. It continues on directly from the preceeding paragraph.]

PC: Lots of spirals.

Now, that's fortunate for us.

LRH: Yeah, that's right. Okay. Now let's take another look at - and by the way, I want to do this rapidly for you and I'm throwing in another variable here on you; I'm actually going to read by nothing but the meter. But you can spend hours doing this, and so I'm going to pick it up much more rapidly, if it's all right with you, okay? just know what I'm doing here.

That's not true of the entities. They don't just doze off and go to sleep. If you wake them up suddenly, they hardly knew where they were or why they were there or anything else - all of a sudden they say, "Ah! Somebody to control. Flesh!" And zing! they go right into standard operation. You've seen human beings do this. A 1.5 comes along, walks into a classroom of little kids and so forth and says, "Which one can I control first?" just that. Little Johnny over there happens to be sucking his thumb or something of the sort and they - whap! whap! It's nothing to them that johnny's sucking his thumb; it's not going to hurt them any. But it's just that they got to control; they got to control.

All right, were you yourself in that society? (pause) Were you a slave?

[At tiis point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: No.

.. entities have been so hammered and pounded and driven by the compulsive attitude of people who have tried to control us back through history, that - what's their first shift? Each one can do valence shifts, by the way; they can be this or be that. They're very good mimics. And so they become people who have tried to control us and their only method of operation that they know or can follow, unless they're brought up to a point where they'll think again, is to force with pain, to force with threat, to force with aberration, a MEST-force operation on the preclear. So when a preclear has a chronic somatic, you know immediately that he has an entity that is trying to force something on to him and that this entity is not the theta being. It tells you that immediately.

LRH: No. You were an important person? Mm-hm? That was a high point on your track, perhaps? No.

This preclear is auditing himself continually, continually, continually, continually without any slightest gain. What's happening? One of his entities has decided this is a wonderful way to torture him. Of course, it's perfectly true that you could clear up one of these entities or clear up the theta being and say, "Okay, audit the rest of them." And he would! And do a good job of it. But the accident would be where one of the entities just learns how to audit. There we go. And they'll very carefully run the incident half out and leave it. They'll very carefully jam every theta being present somewhere on the track. And they'll work at it and work at it and work at it and work at it. It gets pretty grim after a while.

It isn't a charged point either, is it? Yeah, a little bit. What happened there to you that was bad?

Now our task then is, as ever, a task of differentiation: learning to differentiate. Differentiate amongst the beingnesses of a person in an effort to recover into the power of the theta being the entire control of the individuality, and all the individuality there is in that theta being. To do this is not now very difficult. Imagine how it would be to run a preclear who didn't have any circuits. You just said to him, "Now where are you on the time track?"

PC: Did something I shouldn't do.

And he says, "1861."

LRH: Oh, big overt act?

And you say, "All right. Go to the beginning of the incident and run it (snap) through to the end." No complications. He just goes to the beginning of the incident and with full perceptics, runs it through to the end.

PC: No, just killed everybody! (audience laughter)

You say, "Go over it again. Go over it again. Over it again. Where are you now?"

LRH: Well, well, well, well.

"Hmm. 1902."

PC: (laugh) No!

"What's happening to you?"

LRH: Was it a dull afternoon or something? (audience laughter) It was a dull afternoon! Was there any more cause for it than that?

"Oh. I just fell down a sewer pipe."

PC: (laugh) No.

"Okay, roll it again. Go over it again.

LRH: That's right, that's the way we used to be. Happy people. (audience laughter) Well, that's an overt act, huh?

Where are you now?"

PC: I - I did something; I made an experiment.

Oh, 1938. Yeah."

LRH: Made an experiment.

"Well, roll it. Roll it through. Where are you now?"

PC: (laugh) And the whole place blew up.

"Present time. Gee, I feet wonderful!"

LRH: The whole place blew up. Well-well, that's one less civilization ...

Wouldn't that be nice?

PC: That's what my curiosity got.

Well, that's the kind of auditing you're doing, and as long as you remember that that's the kind of auditing you're doing, you can't get into trouble. Because if you're not doing that kind of auditing, then you've got another theta being that's doing a cross-up on you. So you just get rid of that one first.

LRH: Now, get a good, clear recall, get the realest moment in that. What's the realest moment in it to you?

So you see, this thing has become very simple. A lot of questions that we had in the past can go. What's a circuit? A circuit is a psychotic stuck somewhere on the track who keeps mimicking somebody, mimicking Mama or mimicking Papa or doing a mimic job and so on, but quite psychotic. They have data banks. Every one of them has data banks. What do you do about a perceptic shut-off case? Hm. Nothing easier than a perceptic shut-off case. You just find out who it happened to. If the perceptics are shut off, then you're auditing one of them that didn't have it happen to them, or auditing the one that did have it happen to him who's stuck on the track, and so he isn't perceiving. You have to get the being moving on the track, you see, before he can perceive. Well, it's relatively easy to get these beings moving on the track. Well, that's your perceptic shut-off

PC: I pushed something.

Now, what is an out-of-valence case? An out-of-vatence case is a person who has been one being at one time in his life, and has now shifted over and is another one - is an entity or something of the sort. And so, when you try to audit the first beingness he was, you're not auditing with its bank. You're trying to audit things that happened to it with the bank of things it didn't happen to, except as an observer. And you'll find out that maybe there's only one, or possibly two, of these entities observe what is happening to another entity or the theta being. That's very lucky; very'fortunate. Cuts down the amount of observation. The others are completely btotto on the subject. They just don't know. They didn't know what happened at that period of time.

LRH: All right, is that good and real to you? Is there another moment there in that civilization that's quite real to you? Any part of that cycle, any part of that particular civilization? Got something there that's really nice and real?

So you get somebody and you say, "Well now, what happened when you were eighteen?"

PC: A very tall man.

And he says, "I don't know. I've never been able to remember that period."

LRH: A very tall man. Yea-yea! Is he real to you? Just want to pick up the reality level on it. How's your communication with this very tall man? Is he antipathetic to you? He like you?

"All right, try hard. See if you can remember it. Now go on, try hard." You're just working an entity that doesn't have a bank on the year eighteen. So what do you do? If you really want to find out what happened to eighteen you just get him shifted around until you find the entity it did happen to, and it's in that bank. Very simple.

PC: No.

You must be able to differentiate amongst the entities and find out more or less when they were alive - when. If you want to do a job in just one lifetime you can produce very marked results without going earlier than this lifetime with a prectear. Why? Because you can put the theta being of the individual back into power. It doesn't take you too long. You might be able to do it in a half an hour; you might be able to do it in two hours; you might be able to do it in five or ten hours. You can do this.

LRH: He didn't like you. Oh! He didn't like you. Was that the trouble?

The second you get that theta being back into power, you're going to have something in excess of a MEST Clear, so long as that being doesn't suddenly kick out a lot of the data banks. A MEST Clear technically is defined as one who has on record everything there is - everything that's happened to him. Well, so he does - the theta being - have on record everything that's happened to the theta being in that body. But this doesn't mean that he's got a consecutive record of everything in school or a consecutive record of everything that happened to him in the army or something of the sort - some other entity recorded that.

PC: Oh, no. No, I - I did - did something I shouldn't have done.

And here you get these cases of sudden amnesia. Person is going along as one entity and studies this and studies that and so forth. And suddenly that entity kicks off over on the other track and sticks, and says, "I'm dead." Which he is, elsewhere. Hasn't any recall all of a sudden. Isn't moving on the track. And suddenly another entity takes over and I think if you examined amnesia cases you would suddenly find the preclear working on a data bank that didn't apply to this life. See how that would be.

LRH: You did something you shouldn't have done. All right.

He'd have a full set of skills. All of a sudden he'd be a painter. He never could paint before, but all of a sudden he's got complete amnesia, he doesn't know he's Joe Jones anymore, and he thinks he's Bill Sikes, painter. And here he is out there busily painting and doing a pretty good job of it. The little men in white go find him and give him a few electric shocks, kick him in the stomach, give him a prefrontal lobotomy," generally give him the kind and gentle treatment for which they're noted, and they get his memory back for him; they get his memory back at last. I won't say for what life or when, but you can be sure something will happen.

PC: Yes, I was fooling around in something I shouldn't have ...

Now, what is a case of homosexuality? You see a lot of these entities are identifiable as men, identifiable as women. Now, you take a young fellow, he's been going along just fine, he's a boy. Perfectly normal as a boy, and all of a sudden at the age of ten, some other boy seduces him or something of the sort, and after that he's a homosexual. What happened? Well, nothing very complicated about it. Regarding him and giving him approval all of a sudden validated a female entity. And this female entity says, "Aha! I've been validated; now I guess I'm boss around here." Moves in, takes over and that's that! How do you cure it? Straighten it out? Audit the old hag. That's easy. just audit and kick her out.

LRH: He told you so.

Now, something else happens, by the way. Very often - you see, it's not normal for people to do this jump cycle and go between lives; that is not laws of the universe. That is something just foisted off, and it's only been temporary. It's happened earlier times, but it's really temporary. It's been going on here for the last thirty-five thousand years, and that's very recent. So this between-lives cycle and diving into the body just before birth is not native to the universe. That just happens to be what goes on here right now - temporary sort of a thing, probably won't last but a few more months. Anyway - unless a lot of these spirits are very well indoctrinated.

PC: Yes, he did!

It's pretty hard to keep a tab on what it's going to be, a boy or a girl. So you et this package of theta beings all advised as to the fact they're supposed to go down there and be a good fellow this time, and it's a woman's body. That's very complex. Or you go down there and you say - the goal that's been appointed - "Now, you're supposed to be a dancer, a beautiful dancer and you're supposed to lure men." Goes down and dives in and it's a boy! Complex sort of a thing. What do you do with a boy's body that's supposed to be a beautiful dancer? "I'm sane, there's nothing wrong with me. Yap, yap. And here's this boy's body and I'm supposed to be a beautiful dancer."

LRH: Was this man related to you?

You get these terrific conflicts in people in the arts. They're trying hard to carry on in the arts against MEST universe which believes chaos is it. You see, theta is aesthetic and the MEST universe is force. The MEST universe is all past and theta is future. And you get somebody in the arts and he's having a rough time of it anyway, and he gets enough slaps in the face, and the first thing you know, gee, he'll shift sex or valences and he'll be very hair-trigger about things. Very upsetting. He's trying like mad to somehow regain or retain some equilibrium in a world which just isn't tailor-made for aesthetics, that's all. And so he can get into a lot of trouble.

PC: No. No, he's the - the head of it.

How do you rehabilitate one of these artists? just find out who is the artist. That's all, just find out who is the artist and patch this up and square it around. You may get a fellow who was a great failure in the arts who is all of a sudden happy as a clam to be a house painter. And you may get some fellow who's a house painter that really should be a great dancer. In such wise, the entities, in shifting, will shift goals - and shift them very badly.

LRH: Oh, he ruled the place.

Now, the problem, then, of auditing is just what you know it to be - thought, emotion and effort, with this simplification: you know very well from the behavior of your preclears that you haven't been auditing just one person. They just keep shifting under your hands. Something else - too complex and so on. So you just make sure that you differentiate from entity to entity and try to get them unstuck off the track very neatly and nicely and get the theta being back in power. And if you're going with this preclear on through to Theta Clear, to start bringing up that theta being, bring it up, up, up, up, up, up, up the line, get every kind of an incident you can think of and take that incident off - incidents you'll find on the track map - and you will blow by its horsepower alone the rest of the entities and, of course, blow everything below that level of entity. You'll have a unity, then, which may or may not be modified by its partner.

PC: No, he wasn't the ruler. He - he was in charge of whatever I was doing; it's some sort of laboratorial work.

This, then, is auditing beings.

LRH: Oh, I see.

Let's take a break.

PC: And uh ...

LRH: Have you liked chemistry since?

PC: Oh, no!

LRH: Simple explanations for these things.

PC: I flunked it every time.

LRH: You see what it takes to get - educate one theta being? Does a theta being need education?

PC: No.

LRH: How does it feel to be educated? Good?

PC: Well, of course.

LRH: It feels good to be educated?

PC: Not necessarily educated.

LRH: How about the process of getting educated? Is that good?

PC: No.

LRH: That's right, no good. Okay. Well, we've got an incident here, this is a minor overt act. (audience laughter)

Minor overt act on the - she probably considered that on the fourth dynamic. Would you say it was the fourth?

PC: Pretty definitely.

LRH: Okay. How have you felt about the fourth since? Been very defensive?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make any sense to you suddenly?

PC: Very much so.

LRH: It does? Good. Well, we're trying to build track, not to make you happier. (laugh)

Okay, let's get on with this. That remark killed off a little bit of sympathy, didn't it? Killed off a little bit of rapport with you, didn't it?

No? No, that's fine. That's fine. All right (having reestablished it), we'll get another matter now. Have you ever been put together with some other souls? Some other beings?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah. When? When is the first time you picked up ...

PC: Well, I did a damned fool thing.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was curious.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I don't get any visio on this at all, Ron.

LRH: You don't?

PC: But just the feeling. I was very curious about something and - and I - I cut my nose off to spite my face.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago was this?

PC: Oh, ages ago. Long, long time ago.

LRH: Uh-huh, what did you do? Volunteer?

PC: No, somebody told me so ...

LRH: Mm-hm. And you did something.

PC: ... that I better watch out, but I did it anyway.

LRH: And it was curious ...

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Curiosity? It was

PC: I wanted to find out what would happen.

LRH: Trying to find out, huh? Well, is this after the civilization blew up?

PC: Oh, yes! A long time after that.

LRH: A long time after this blew up. Mm-hm. What did you think of?

Got a nice drop here.

PC: Well ...

LRH: Before the civilization blew up?

PC: No.

LRH: After?

PC: Seems to me it was after.

LRH: After? After it blew up? Before it blew up? Which? What are you getting confused on this?

PC: After. After.

LRH: I wonder if this was the MEST universe? Yeah, MEST universe. What did you think of? Was it - you thought of after?

PC: I thought of after. After this deal blew up because I knew more before it - I mean, I knew more when it blew up than I did when this happened.

LRH: Is there a big - a big impact in that blowup?

PC: You mean physically?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Thetawise?

LRH: No, physically.

PC: Well, physically - heck, it got - I was dead.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, this might be, then. Is there sort of a jam around this incident? I mean, is there a sort of a grouper? Or is this grouper when you got curious and joined up with some other souls? Is this what's the grouper?

PC: That may be it.

LRH: Is that the grouper? Mm-hm. Have you regretted that very much? Well, it's not terribly bad. That's after this blowup? Okay. How many years afterwards? Halfway to present time?

PC: Oh, no.

LRH: Two thousand years ago?

PC: No, it's longer than that, much longer than that.

LRH: Thirty-five thousand?

PC: It's closer to about a million and a half years ago.

LRH: Million and a half years ago. Okay. Million and a half years ago?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Yeah, that's close enough. What's a million and a half?

PC: It's a million-maybe two.

LRH: That's practically present time.

PC: Two - it's two. Now it's two; it's going up now - look. (audience laughter)

LRH: Two million.

PC: Okay. It's way up now. What do you ...

LRH: Huh?

PC: What was that?

LRH: Oh, it's just - you just got some charge on this. Now, how many souls ... Did you get put together with some other souls?

PC: Couple of hundred of them.

LRH: Couple of hundred of them?

PC: But they're not all there now. I mean, I don't have them all with me now.

LRH: Oh, they're not all there now.

PC: But at the time ...

LRH: What was the circumstances surrounding this? just tell me rapidly.

You needn't be coy about it, people here can understand.

PC: Well, I - I - the - the concepts are not clear. I mean, they don't come as fast as I like them to; there's a lot of occlusion here. Apparently we got all stuck together because we didn't want that to happen again.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: When this explosion occurred.

LRH: Mm-hm. Didn't want that to happen again.

PC: No. And we figured if we stuck together, I wouldn't make any more experiments.

LRH: That's the - kind of the way it goes. This is a late joiner. Were you operating on a compulsion because of earlier incidents joining you up? Other things? What did you think of?

PC: No.

LRH: No? All right. Are there earlier incidents where you're joined up with others?

PC: No.

LRH: No earlier incidents? Hah! What did you think of?

PC: Well, whether it was so or not.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: No. I don't ...

LRH: Okay. All right, let me go off on this track. Is there an incident there where emotions are installed in you?

PC: (yawn)

LRH: Can you pick that up?

PC: Well, I'm thinking now of - of a slimy place.

LRH: A slimy place?

PC: With a lot of big animals in it.

LRH: Oh, a swamp?

PC: Looks like a prehistoric scene.

LRH: What's this? Earth?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this the somatic soul, earth?

PC: Hm.

LRH: Somatic entity, earth?

PC: Possibly.

LRH: Is it earth?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yes. Uhm ...

LRH: Nothing much on this ...

PC: There's brontosaurus and dinosaurs and oh ...

LRH: Is this a million-million years ago7

PC: Uh ...

LRH: What are we on here now, the somatic line? Mm-hm. Thought so. Let's get on back on the theta line, huh? Now, did the theta being ever get joined to anybody else? (pause) What did you think of?

PC: When this explosion took place ...

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... that's when I said we all joined up together so I wouldn't make any ...

LRH: Yeah. All right.

PC: ... I would be controlled.

LRH: Okay. You consented to it?

PC: Really.

LRH: Where were you standing when you consented to it?

PC: I wasn't standing anyplace; I was floating around in the air.

LRH: Okay. And what ...

PC: We had a big confab.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And they said, "Well, she's got to be toned down a little bit. She's - she's too curious."

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: "These things mustn't happen anymore."

LRH: Mm-hm. And you agreed to it?

PC: Well, if I blew up a whole lot of people, who wouldn't?

LRH: Why? Is there deep regret on this? Is that why you agreed to it?

PC: Well, I - I don't like to kill people.

LRH: Why not?

PC: Well, you're not supposed to.

LRH: Who said so?

PC: They did.

LRH: Yeah, who's "they"?

PC: Well, that's why I'm here in the first place.

LRH: Oh! That's why you're here in the first place? On earth in the first place?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. This is a later incident, though?

PC: No. No, no.

LRH: No?

PC: No, it tie - ties in with all the rest of them.

LRH: Oh!

PC: With the original one: the reason that I was so curious.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: See, and I had to go find out.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I wanted to know what was - what was going on.

LRH: Okay. All right. Now, present time.

[to audience] We've got this problem here; it's a relatively simple problem. Here's a track chart. This track chart is demanding an incident to be run. This incident, of course, is probably that incident. Now, so what you get here: you're getting a small machine reaction. She said "eight" once and we got a reaction on it, and I can believe the machine, so it was eight.

All right. Now, this incident, in other words, is overt on four, and it's all the further we're going to get with this track, that's all. There'd be no sense in wasting any more time on it till we just blow this thing.

Now actually, you could probably blow it, more or less, by Strightwire and realization. Person thinks it over for a while - blows it. Could do. Very possibly you'd have to be audited, and the regret taken off of the thing. And then you'd find other incidents showing up here on the track as we went on up. Okay?

[to pc] Okay?

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. All right.

& Oh no. Oh no (laugh)

[to audience] Okay, there's one - there's one pc as part of the track. Let's take a clean slate here. Take a nice clean slate. [lots of noise]

[to pc] Thank you very much.

PC: You're welcome.

LRH: And also a clean pencil.

[to next pc] And how old are you, Maurie? You got it. How old was that?

[New pc - male]

PC: Four, I got.

LRH: Four what? Is this just the present life age flash of one being? Four million?

PC: I think trillion.

LRH: Trillion? Yeah, great. Now, were you one being four trillion years ago?

PC: No.

LRH: Two beings?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. Two beings. All right. And these two beings were - did they - were they joined by force or something? Were they joined ...

PC: I get a mixed reaction on that.

LRH: Uh-huh. Would you rather they'd never been joined?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Why did they join up? You thought of it - what was it?

PC: Um - thought they could do something more in combination than they could singly.

LRH: Mm-hm. That's right. And did each one have the same goals or they have different goals?

PC: Different.

LRH: Different goals. Are these goals in conflict with each other - any degree?

PC: No.

LRH: To what universe did these goals apply?

PC: Theta.

LRH: Theta universe. Do they fit with the MEST universe?

PC: I get a "yes."

LRH: Mm-hm. Have they had to be retailored to fit with the MEST universe in any way, or do they fit smoothly?

PC: Smoothly.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Are you accomplishing them?

PC: A real weak "yes" on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. Far away sort of a thing? Mm-hm. Well, can they just step into full beingness and pervade all of you, and go on and do everything they can do? Is there anything blocking them from doing this?

PC: Yeah, I think I have another being here that is saying, "No, you can't do this," and "No, you haven't done it," and so forth.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago did you acquire that being? That entity? How long ago did you acquire that entity?

PC: I get "four million."

LRH: About four million years ago? A very contradictory entity?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very contradictory. About four million years ago? Mm-hm. (pause) Oh, added by somebody, huh? Who added it?

[to audience] Seeing this characteristic bop-bop-bop - short bops.

PC: Get "hypnosis.

LRH: Added by hypnosis.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Pushed in on you by hypnosis. Were there any others added to you at the same time?

PC: Nope.

Nope. just one, huh? Well, what do you know? Four million years ago. Okay. Four million - one added entity. Is it stuck at the time it was added?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Stuck at the time it was added, huh? Why, did it - was told to stay there or something? Was it under orders to join you? Or were you put under orders to have it joined?

PC: I think it was ordered to join me.

LRH: Ordered to join you. That's right. Okay. And it's been obeying those orders ever since. Did you consent to have it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Yep. Why? Why did you consent to have it? You got it - what is it?

PC: For some reason or other I thought it would improve me.

LRH: Did it?

PC: No.

LRH: No. Well, can you jettison it?

PC: It's not going to like it, but I can do it.

LRH: It's not going to like it, huh? Do you have to consult its convenience rather than your own?

PC: Uh - I say "no," it says "yes."

LRH: All right. How do you get rid of it? Can you audit it away, or do you just blow it? It wants to stay?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: It wants to stay.

PC: I think I've still got some acceptance of it, too.

LRH: You think so. What's your main acceptance?

PC: "I'll die if I get rid of it."

LRH: Who said so? Somebody say so? Yeah, somebody said so. Who said so? The hypnotist?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that part of the sequence?

PC: Yes.

LRH: And then does it say so since?

PC: Mm-hm. And I agreed to it then.

LRH: Mm-hm. You agreed to be hypnotized, too?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can you handle that?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. And by the way, just for designation, what's the more or less geographical location of this entity we're just now talking about?

(pause) Head?

PC: No, solar plexus.

PC: There's one in the solar plexus and there's one on each side a little below it.

LRH: Ah, three entities in the solar plexus. Okay - in the solar plexus area.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Fine. Are two of these somatic?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, what do you know, you got two somatic entities. By the way, somatic entities quite often split. Okay, and this other one is just an additive soul. Well ...

And by the way, is that soul quite sane?

PC: Huh-uh. [No.]

LRH: That's right. By the way, they get into that area and it's a terrible area, because the perceptions aren't close to it and they're under compulsion to have perceptions and they're under compulsion not to use their own perceptions and a lot of other odds and ends. So they get quite psycho in the area. And then their fear installation - Fac One and so forth - hits them right on the button, bam! just like that. Fac One hit you right on the button there with that solar plexus thing?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Isn't bothering you any! (audience laughter) Okay. Now, what do we find earlier than that? Is there another universe before the MEST universe?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Are there two universes before the MEST universe? What did you think of?

PC: Hm-I get confusion; my first reaction was "no," and then I got a "yes."

LRH: Well, tell me, one of these beings - a one of these entities - it wasn't back there with you. Is that right?

PC: Hm. Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That straightened him out? Okay, let's ask the one - other one now. Are there two universes ahead of NEST universe, or one? This universe, [marking on blackboard] one universe, two, and here's the MEST universe. What would you call this second universe? Would you call that your home universe? Did you have anything to do with its creation?

PC: Yeah. Yes.

LRH: What's the matter, you got charge on that? Hm?

PC: Well, I was ...

LRH: Charge on it, huh?

PC: Some idea about perhaps dimensions; I don't know what word I should use, but just dimensions ...

LRH: Okay, good.

PC: ... concerning that universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Has more dimensions than we're accustomed to.

LRH: Oh, I see. Four? Eight?

PC: Three and infinity.

LRH: Yeah, tiree and infinity. A three-and-infinity universe. Good.

That's characteristic of a thought universe. Okay. Did you help create that universe?

PC: I get a "yes."

LRH: What happened to it? Is it still there?

PC: Yes.

LRH: MEST universe - did you come into the MEST universe voluntarily?

PC: I think so.

LRH: What did you think of next after that?

PC: My solar plexus.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you voluntarily move from universe two into the MEST universe?

PC: Uh ...

LRH: The MEST universe ...

PC: There's a reluctance of some kind.

LRH: Yeah, you've got a reluctance to talk about this, haven't you? You're protecting some information about it? You're protecting some information about it?

PC: There's fear on it - some kind.

LRH: Yeah. Do you dare tell? Do you dare know? Are you holding information from somebody on it?

PC: Yes.

[End of HCL-18]

[Beginning of the HCL-27 reel]

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

LRH: Did you have to protect the information in that hypnosis? Mm-hm. What did you think of?

PC: Yeah, I think I did.

LRH: And you've been holding back information sort of ever since, in a general line? What if somebody in the MEST universe learned about how you got into this home universe? Who are you protecting information from? (pause)

PC: (sigh)

LRH: Tell me, can you be rolled out of this universe of your own and enslaved by the MEST universe?

PC: I get confusion.

LRH: If anybody knew the secret of the theta universe, could they then have an almost unlimited number of slaves?

PC: Yes.

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Yes, but they wouldn't want to.

LRH: They wouldn't want to. Who wouldn't want to? Some of these people in the MEST universe wouldn't want to? (pause) People in the theta universe?

PC: I don't think that people in the theta universe would want to.

LRH: And once having rolled out of it, you wouldn't want people to know how to get back into it, would you? (pause) No charge on that.

PC: ... be it.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Seems to be it.

LRH: Mm-hm? You trying to keep the people in the MEST universe from getting into the theta universe? (pause) What've you got there?

PC: I feel I'm trying to keep myself from getting into it.

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from getting into it. Well, what's wrong with you? Something wrong with you now? Hm?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Would you do something bad to the theta universe if you got into it?

PC: Seems to be yes.

LRH: Would you take bad knowledge into it? Bad experience?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What do you have, a degraded feeling about it?

PC: Ooh! Yeah.

LRH: Shame won't let you go home? (pause) Ah.

Did you roll out of the theta universe, sort of face into another dimension and get into the MEST universe by accident? What have you got there? Curiosity?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Curiosity.

PC: Yeah, you can run it from a distance or manipulate it, or you can get into it and see what it feels like.

LRH: Mm-hm. But once you get into it, what's wrong with it?

PC: Feeling you have to go all the way through it in order to get back out.

LRH: Go along a treadmill, so to speak. Is there another way out of it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What is it?

PC: Well, I think of the Zen Buddhist story of how you get a goose out Of a bottle.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you get a goose out of a bottle?

PC: Snap your fingers and say, "There, it's out."

LRH: Okay. We're batting on a thousand there.

All right. Now, about your adventures in the MEST universe, what's the first thing that happened to you after you got into the MEST universe that was serious7

PC: Hypnosis and Fac One.

LRH: Some kind of hypnosis?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Some kind of a Fac One? Were you trapped in some way? (pause) Tell me this, did somebody install emotions in you?

PC: I don't like that, whatever it is. (audience laughter)

LRH: Does that come later than the incident I'm talking about?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, about how many million years ago would you suppose that you got emotions installed in you? What did you think of?

PC: Fourteen thousand.

LRH: Emotions installed in you fourteen thousand years ago?

PC: Seems what I got.

LRH: Okay. Was it fourteen thousand? Or fourteen thousand years after you entered the MEST universe? Which?

PC: That seems better.

LRH: Mm-hm. It was in the MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get another go at its time. I know it's hard to estimate time, but it - would it be halfway between here and the entrance into the MEST universe? Midpoint on the track between here and the past? What did you think of? You thought of it somewhere there.

PC: I thought that seemed to be about right.

LRH: Middle point.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah, that's more or less. Now, is it earlier than the middle point or later than the middle point? Earlier, little earlier? Little later? Who cares. What's a few billion years. Okay. Would you say that was about five billion years ago?

PC: Hm ...

LRH: Six?

PC: Seems better.

LRH: Between five and six?

PC: Okay. (sigh)

LRH: Five and six billion. just at a guess, these figures, you understand, are relatively - your order of magnitude is all you want so that you get your proper sequences of time. And this is installed emotions, huh? What emotions were installed?

PC: (laugh)

LRH: NOW, that's a honey. just don't concentrate on it for a minute, Maurie, and let me try and tell the folks what this one is - this is trick. In various ways, one of its guises could be "Well, you win a prize. A person who knows wins a prize."

And don't let me color the one you were going to run, because this thing is quite variable.

[to audience] Well, the MEST people, more or less, they want to put out this big prize. And so they give you a prize for knowing. Well, up to that point, you really know - you know pretty well. And then one of its versions is to throw a dome over the person, over the theta person-bam! - hold him completely motionless with fields so that he has an utter timelessness, so that he's suddenly and momentarily a zero, and then just throw him down a chute which passes him across fields - magnetic fields - one right after the other, which install wavelengths which are very close to one-over-infinity, with - which approximate our Tone Scale from 2.0 down.

[to pc] What's the matter?

PC: Apparently the story of my life - I don't know.

LRH: Is this approximately the incident we're trying to run here, something like it?

PC: Seems to be.

LRH: Well, there's something that is missing on it someplace; your incident varied in some way. Tell me, is fear in a tub at the bottom?

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, there is some vague similarity with what I was saying. There is an installed sequence of emotions, then, isn't there?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What are you thinking about?

PC: I don't like it.

LRH: Who installed it? A lower order of people, or something? (pause)

PC: I get the impression they were big.

LRH: Big people, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Is that where you got emotions from 2.0 down? (pause) Tell me, by the way, just out of curiosity - was all the pleasure you had formerly taken in aesthetics suddenly channeled into the second dynamic?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Also said that wasn't any good.

LRH: Also said that wasn't any good; yeah, that's right. That's right.

[to audience] All right. This incident has a slang term which - we call it the "installer" and it's a great little gimmick. Actually, any of these emotions have a very precise wavelength, which is why one suspected immediately that there's something rotten in Denmark. I mean, why would everybody do this and do that exactly at the same wavelengths? Silly.

[to pc] Well, now, let's take your earlier life. Okay? How about your earlier life. Was there anything unhappy occurred in your earlier life in the MEST universe? (pause) Do you pick up anything very unhappy there? (pause) Are you still haunted by this emotional installer?

PC: No.

LRH: No? Okay. (pause) What did you think of?

PC: Some kind of confusions which was unpleasant.

LRH: Some confusions, unpleasant?

PC: Confusion.

LRH: Yeah? Would it be the confusion of everything hitting you at once?

What did you think of?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What was it? Yeow! There's a sticker in it. Holder in it, huh? Is it the holder of rays or waves or something?

PC: (pause) Waves, I guess, would be ...

LRH: Were they leveled at you intentionally to accomplish something or... What have we got here, the Emanator?

PC: Hm.....

LRH: No? It's an emanator of some sort.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the incident, the installer?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is there a bad holder in it someplace?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: There it is. What is it?

PC: I'm getting a visio of a black triangle.

LRH: Oh. Somebody command you into a black triangle?

PC: It obscures a - either a circle or disk behind it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the installer? Later.

PC: Seems - I don't know; I feel that it's earlier.

LRH: It's earlier.

PC: Around ...

LRH: Billion years earlier? Billion years earlier? What's this, the black triangle? What's the incident?

PC: Oh. Yeah, it's - the symbol is the same as the four-dimensional symbol that I had before.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Only this is a - cramming it in three dimensions ...

LRH: Oh.

PC: ... obscuring the fourth.

LRH: Mm-hm. Say, by the way, are we getting the shift of you from the theta universe into the MEST universe? Is this it? Is this the shift?

PC: Seems to be ...

LRH: One of the shifts? By the way, did you ever get out of the MEST universe and then back into the theta universe, and then out of the theta universe back into the MEST universe? Ho, ho, ho!

PC: Yeah. I'm shaking all over.

LRH: Ho, ho, ho! Well, that's the first one of those I've picked up. What happened when you went into the theta universe?

PC: I don't know, but I have a feeling it wasn't very pleasant.

LRH: Wasn't pleasant in the theta universe. Hooray! What was the matter with it? (pause) (Nice drop in it.)

PC: It's upside down.

LRH: Is it all upside down?

PC: How do you mean?

LRH: Had the MEST universe turned it upside down? Had something happened to the theta universe? (pause) What are you thinking of there?

PC: Yeah, but I don't know quite what. Two things were somehow joined together.

LRH: Two things joined together.

PC: Intermingled.

LRH: Mm-hm. The theta and MEST universe was kind of intermingled.

Well, by the way, by running this incident, would this all straighten out?

PC: I'm running it now.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, you're running it now.

PC: I'm doing something. I'm shaking all over and getting weird flutterings; I've never had anything quite like this before.

LRH: Is this your central being running this?

PC: Yeah. I have two of them running.

LRH: Both of them running.

PC: Both a central and ...

LRH: And an entity.

PC: ... seems to be located in the back of my head. Seem to be ...

& LRH: Well, is that the original duo? We're running it? Is this another entity running itself? I'm sorry I don't mean to invalidate your running it. The machine does that once in a while, you have to be careful of this.

LRH: How about the two beings' regard for this incident?

PC: They don't seem to be quite as concerned about it as the rest of me does, for some reason.

LRH: Oh. Well, tell me, did this add more to you? This incident add more to you in some way or something? No? All right. Which being is it that's concentrated on it? Which being?

PC: Just the one in the back of my head, which I believe would be the second one.

LRH: The second one. Is there an entity in the back of your head as well as the second being? Is there an entity that influences the back of your head?

PC: I would say yes.

LRH: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We're getting a halt on this. Yes, sir. What have we got now? Hey, you got a new entity that doesn't belong there. Great stuff. Was he there all the time? Was he there when this happened?

PC: No.

LRH: He wasn't there when this happened. Well, why is he concerned about it?

[to audience] Just about to flip and throw one of these entities.

[to pcl Now, why is he so concerned about it? Because he can concern you with it?

PC: Mm-hm. Uses this for control.

LRH: Well, uses it for control.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What happens to your shakes?

PC: They diminish.

LRH: Locate him a little more thoroughly and differentiate between him and the back being. Has he been pretending to be the back being?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh, isn't he a cute little trick. How are the shakes now?

PC: Gone.

LRH: They gone?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Feel more relaxed? Now let's differentiate a little bit better between the real back being and this entity. (pause)

Did you ever agree to have this entity?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did, huh? Did it just move in on you by compulsion?

PC: Yeah, it was compulsion, but I agreed to it.

LRH: You a agreed under duress?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm, but not very much. Well, what did you think of? This upset it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Upsets it some way, huh? Is it stuck on the track anyplace?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah? Is it stuck on the track in something when it was being you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it also stuck on the track in something before it joined you? (pause) Boy, it really decided to curl up. What's the state of that being? Did it blow?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: It blew. Well, the back being very glad it's gone? Who's glad it's gone? Which one?

PC: Center and the back both, solar plexus doesn't like this.

LRH: Doesn't like to have it gone.

PC: That's right.

LRH: Because that means it goes now.

PC: Yeah, it feels very small suddenly.

LRH: Yeah. Why? Was it the one that was holding the solar plexus together? Was the solar plexus being-entity operating only because of this back-of-the-head being? Did they have a pact between them?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were they in communication?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: By golly, that solar plexus being doesn't want to answer, does it? Is it gone? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: How does it feel? How's your solar plexus?

PC: Feels pretty relaxed.

LRH: Feels pretty relaxed. You afraid it won't stay that way? Is it gone or just playing dead? (pause) Is it gone?

PC: (pause) Can't find it.

LRH: Can't find it. How's your stomach feel?

PC: Fine.

LRH: Back of your head feel?

PC: It's tingling, burning and all kinds of things.

LRH: Back of your head tingling and burning?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why? Is this - this entity just move out to the outside, did it?

PC: Sure.

LRH: Is it still trying to hang on or are you - is your rear ...

PC: I'm holding it.

LRH: ... theta being holding it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, why is it holding it? (pause) Attached to it? What do you get on it?

PC: He uses it for control.

LRH: Uses it for control. Can't he ...

PC: Can be used in turn ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can't he control directly? Tell me, is there a second back-of-the-head being?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A second back-of-the-head entity as distinguished from a being? Is there another one in there - the two operating together?

Don't seem to see so, huh? What did you ...

PC: Oh, it's on the right side of the back.

LRH: Oh, right side of the back of the head. When did you agree to have that one? Did you?

PC: I don't feel any agreement about this one.

LRH: Well, did it come in at a moment of unconsciousness or something?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hypnotism? Unconsciousness? What are we running here, a joiner of some sort? An incident where they were all joined together? A little bit.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Not particularly. Well, this thing hasn't got any business there at all, has it? What did you think of?

PC: I was trying to think of how I picked it up.

LRH: You've just thought of it. What is it?

PC: I wasn't listening to you. (audience laughter)

LRH: Okay. You know how you picked it up. How long ago did you pick it up? (pause) (These aren't entities, by the way, these are idle beings.)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. What did you think of that time? You got it. What is it?

PC: Well, I just - I saw it, I guess.

LRH: And what happened? It blew?

PC: No, that's how I picked it up and ...

LRH: Oh, you just saw it.

PC: ... sympathy or something; I haven't quite got it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're getting it, though. (pause) Well, let's get it a little more solidly there and you can get it. You can recall it. What was the emotion? Which entity picked it up? Was it the theta beings that picked it up?

PC: No.

LRH: No. Was it another stomach entity that picked him up?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Aided and assisted by a couple of the side entities? Which one did you think of?

PC: It's higher in the solar plexus.

LRH: Oh, you got another one in the stomach, there?

PC: Above.

LRH: It picked him up. Okay. You got it. All right. Is it the one that's been holding on to it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. How about blowing that one that's a little higher in the solar plexus now?

(These blow awful easy. These idle ones.)

PC: This one doesn't amount to much.

LRH: Hm?

PC: I don't think this one amounts to much.

LRH: Didn't amount to much. Is it blowing?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: So it is. Is it gone?

PC: Hm. (pause) Yeah.

LRH: Registering here that it is. Okay. just wanted you to decide.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. NOW, how about this black triangle incident now? (pause) Well, what do you know?

PC: Didn't go through it. [or might be "We just blew it." - Ed.]

LRH: Okay.

Oh, I happen to know a couple of incidents here. Let me ask you if you've been through these. You ever build roads?

PC: Hm. Didn't like it.

LRH: Nope. How soon after you entered the physical universe, the MEST universe, did you start building roads?

PC: Pardon me, I'm stuck in this.

LRH: How soon afterwards did you start building roads?

PC: I have a feeling it's ... That's what you were started out with.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did something pull you into this universe so you'd build roads?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You got it. What is it? What have you got?

PC: Horns. Horns? I don't know. Vibrations?

LRH: Vibrations? Horns? Beating with clubs? Beating of clubs? Drive you out of it? Drive you into it? Noise?

PC: Yeah. That seems to be the idea.

LRH: Noise. Confusion and noise.

PC: Mm-hm. Yeah.

LRH: What do they use, confusion and noise to harass a theta being into being - doing something?

PC: There's a lot of confusion on it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Lot of confusion.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And then did you start building roads?

PC: Mm ... (pause)

LRH: Did you get a drop on that? Building roads?

PC: Yeah. I think so, anyway.

LRH: You see that still needle?

Did you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime in body after body after body on these roads, or anything like that?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Or was it roads? Was it the city itself ? Was it masonry, bridges? What? You've got it. What was it?

PC: Well, that sounded better than roads, and then electronics came to mind.

LRH: Oh, they got you in there building electronics, or were they building electronics? Were you building electronic things?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: You were. They put you to work in electronics. Were you designing? Manufacturing? You were manufacturing electronics. Okay. Were there rays?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did they affect you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Badly?

PC: Hm, they had all kinds.

LRH: Mm-hm. How many lives did you spend doing this? One? More than one? I mean body lives now ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: ... MEST body lives.

PC: Hm, forty, fifty, something like that.

LRH: Forty or fifty MEST body lives? Forty or fifty thousand MEST body lives? That's closer to it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hundred thousand MEST body lives? What did you think of?

PC: I thought it was a long time.

LRH: Long time. Oh, you're getting a feeling of monotony on this, or something.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Getting the feeling like this was a long time? By the way, was there any way they kept you coming into bodies or anything, to do this?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you got it. How'd they do it?

PC: Kind of a keyed ...

LRH: You've got it.

PC: ... I've got it, but I don't know how to describe it. Keyed oscillator or frequency and ...

LRH: Some kind of a crystal.

PC: ... crystals - some kind of an arrangement that was keyed to me and I'd keep coming back.

LRH: Then you'd keep coming back.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they key it on?

PC: Me.

LRH: On your theta body? On a part of your theta body? On your MEST body?

PC: Yeah. MEST Body.

LRH: On a part of your MEST body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What did they do, hold a piece of your MEST body? Every time you're dead, they had a piece of your MEST body, something like that?

PC: It was done various ways. If you had a MEST body, you kept it in nutrient baths and crystal patterns. Quite sure they were used.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay.

PC: Crystals in which a pattern or frequency or whatever they did with it ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... was set up, which contained the identical pattern or field or frequency, whatever it was, of ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... the body. And you could repeat.

LRH: Did you ever have to be trained more than once in your job?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Were you trained each life in your job?

PC: Mmm, seems doubtful.

LRH: just maybe trained a few times. Few times? Dozen times? Several dozen times? Did you have four or five jobs in all this time?

PC: Mm-hm. About that. I get twelve.

LRH: About twelve jobs? Well, after you learned how to do a job and you came back into a MEST body again, would you know how to do it again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Would you keep on doing it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Oh. Would you die then and go into another MEST body and then be back on the same job again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do you like this? Interesting work?

PC: I didn't like it, but they said I did.

LRH: Oh, ha-ha ha-ha. Said you were enthusiastic about it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this what you would call the first sequences of what we know as hypnosis or duress by rays or something of this sort?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm? What would that be? Would that be it?

PC: (pause) Yeah.

LRH: What did you think of?

PC: Wondering how long they'd been there before that.

LRH: Oh. (laugh) What eventually happened to this place?

PC: Hmm. Deserted - impression I get.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the name of this place? You got it. What is it?

PC: Something beginning with an A.

LRH: Arsclycus. Okay. Isn't that right?

PC: I don't know. (pause)

LRH: All right. Is this the first cycle, then, of being held to a cycle of lives?

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Held to a cycle of lives. Are there others?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many others? You got it. How many?

PC: Ten.

LRH: About ten cycles like this, huh? I mean ten of these things where you repeat lives - bing, bing, bing, bing. Under other circumstances than in Arsclycus?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. What's the last one?

PC: Right now.

LRH: Right now. Okay. Where are the monitors now? (pause) You hit it.

What is it?

PC: I'm hitting it, but I don't know what it means yet.

LRH: Are they MEST universe?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Are they still there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Just take a rapid summary: How many of your bodies have they got? How many bodies they got to match you? One? Six? What did you get?

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: You got the figure. What was the figure you got?

PC: Seven.

LRH: About seven.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: -Okay. Was that the one you thought of a moment ago?

PC: I didn't get one a moment ago. It went on past me.

LRH: Hey, now wait a minute. Is there an entity blocking out this stuff?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Which one is this one?

PC: Has to do with my eyes.

LRH: Yeah. Is there an entity hanging around your eyes?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that native to you?

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Oh, is it talking?

PC: That stopped it.

LRH: Who's holding that one?

PC: (pause) I don't know.

LRH: Mm-hm. You know. Would you call that ...

PC: Center seems to be holding it, if anything is.

LRH: Center's holding it. Yeah, evidently. Why? Is the center guilty of an overt act against it? The center thinks it needs it?

PC: Mm-hm. Can't see without it.

LRH: Oh? Can't see without it. Who says so?

PC: Mm-hm. This is what I was thinking about.

LRH: Yeah. Is that an occlusion entity?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now we know where the occlusion entity is. (pause)

Okay. There are ten of these periods, then.

Now, let's get on another subject there for a moment. Are there specific times when several theta beings or bodies have been pulled together and joined to you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How many of these have happened?

PC: I get three or four.

LRH: Three or four.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You get three and four; in other words, some of them have three and some of them have four. Well, that would be natural, you see, because the two center ones weren't.

Okay. There are three of these periods where you were joined up, then, after. So there's three and four. Okay. We won't bother to trace these right now. Three and four joiners. Now, that's fine.

That's fine.

You've got that eye one clicked in. Key him out now.

PC: Yes. I'm still working on it.

LRH: Is he blowing?

PC: Yeah. He's blowing.

LRH: Thank you. Show people your eyes.

PC: What's the matter with them?

LRH: Sit up and show people your eyes.

PC: Have I still got them?

Female voice: They're still there.

LRH: You can blow him, very easily. Thank you very much, Maurie.

PC: Same to you, Ron.

Now, want to demonstrate this track. This track is very close to constant. It varies in various degrees. There are periods in here when an individual has been one, an entity, or other, may have been space, operating in space; there are periods in here when a person has been this, has been that. And it's very fascinating to find out that what we will quite commonly consider future material is very often past material.

We have gone through a great cycle here on track: a cycle of electronics, thought, electronics, thought. For instance, now and then through history we have tried to regain our periods of being theta beings and controlling things thetawise. You see theta rising up every time you see a highly aesthetic society come into being. And then you see it deteriorate from that high aesthetic down into a MEST society, and it starts going to pieces at this time. And you see the Tone Scale repeated over and over, but this Tone Scale and this cycle is between thought/aesthetics and electronics/MEST force; those two categories. Thought, aesthetics - and thought and aesthetics, they contain such things as spiritualism, mysticism, magic, these various things. And NEST force and so forth, contains such things as standard religions of the past, guillotines, so on.

1 put that in there not for a joke, but because whenever a religion - you see, a religion is different than a religious philosophy, very different - a religion is that thing which is given as a package to a people about which they are not supposed to reason, and under thought and duress is used to control that people onerously. And you find many of these religions are completely bare of aesthetics. And then when they come up to higher levels of action, they actually get up toward theta for a while, and then they will slide back into a MEST religion wholly. They very seldom rise up. That is why an individual is almost never a mystic and a religious person at the same time. We need differentiation in those categories in order to understand that anything used as a control mechanism is the MEST universe: electronics and force. That means control. The MEST universe is terrifically interested in control. The theta universe is interested in freedom. It's interested in aesthetics; it's interested in creativeness. Your MEST universe is chaos.

The theta universe is very orderly. It has extra dimensions. And what you miss in the MEST universe is an ability merely to throw out your hand and have some aesthetic creation come into being. That's theta universe. In the MEST universe you build and build and build and you make this great set very fancy, with great ardure, in a battle of gravity and conquering forces and so on. And at long last you have this enormous, beautiful structure and then somebody comes in - you have a tea table there - and if they're NEST universe people, they come over and they pick up the teacup and find a tiny crack in it and say, "It's cracked."

Well, that's the difference. So what you miss - what your theta beingness misses, is that aesthetic ability to create - to create at will. The universe is murder when it comes to creation. And any of you who started out in life with any slightest inkling or leaning toward the arts - and you'll find this in most children even in kindergarten - you found out that the MEST universe continually crushed the things of beauty that you had, until older people would stand there and accept nothing beautiful from you. You come in with a pretty stone that you have found and you say, 'Look at the colors in this stone,' and they say, 'Wash your hands for dinner.'

MEST universe rejects beauty. It's cruel, terrible and harsh. And that is, actually, the central conflict of man: his theta beingness at war with his MEST beingness.

Now, it is quite remarkable that anything this society will develop in the field of electronics is - to speak very colloquially - old hat. You can take almost any man present, put him on the machine and get his memory realty operating, and open up a well of electronics he never suspected he knew anything about.

The cycle of lives is itself used as a control factor. One of these ten cycles here, any one of them, was primarily interested in controlling the individual so as to make him apply force in a body toward some work being accomplished. Now, those cycles in control gradually got to a point where they found out a new method of control. They say, "Well, you only live one life, and you forget every other life that you ever lived.' And as a result, you have to survive.

And so we get a new Tone Scale; you get a brand-new Tone Scale. This Tone Scale looks like this: up here-and we could have a parity on this, and I wilt draw this as a parity-here is ... [marking on blackboard] The word to describe this best is belongs, because you're part of theta, part of theta. That would be your first universe. Out of that, you get a creation. But this point, "belongs," is left, the moment one individuates.

The next point down here has to do with this universe. One really decides "to be." And in deciding to be, becomes part of the theta universe; but these are many, these theta universes, evidently, and what you would call it, really, would be "home universe."

All right. Home universe is a theta universe. But you see, there could be many theta universes, because theta can create almost at will. So, we have "to be." And that is, by the way, about 40-0.

Now here, when we entered the MEST universe, we got "survive." Right there. At that point of entrance, one was told he had to survive. But this was survive as a consecutive body line or survive because of a purpose. And we get way, way down here close in to present time, some- thing of the sort, and we got survive - this is the lowest order of being - survive as a present time body for the sake of the body.

Now, there are your states of being on a Tone Scale. There at the top, you belong, individuate and decide to be. Then, as you come into the MEST universe, you decide to survive over a long period of line toward certain things or cause certain survivals. And then away down here you get survival as a present time body just for the sake of that body. Now, that's really decayed.

Now, in order to regain this level, your Tone Scale goes right straight on up. And where you're interested, you're interested in taking your pc out here; right there at "survive," the first "survive": entrance into the MEST universe. Because if you do that, he can still operate in the MEST universe, he can stilt operate in a body, and so on. But if he ever gets there, you're not going to be in a position where you're going to be able to tell him where he should stop. There's a great possibility that he'll hit here or he'll go right back there. Or there's a great possibility that he may go out and create a new universe. The entity which we ust hit here was operating on a fear of "Don't go back to that universe." That is not a native ambition; I think you recognize that. Yeah.

All right. There then is a picture of the track, and also a picture of the Tone Scale. Your standard track map more or less fills in, in incidents of - more or less of the character I've just written in here. Maurie is very accurate on this; he's very straight. And your first is your individuation. Sometimes there's an individuation of one and then an individuation of another one and its unition: they unite with different goals to do something, and the next thing you know, they decide to be and they go into home universe, a creative thing, and they're all very fine. And one day out of curiosity, adventurousness or something of the sort - or by getting sort of pulled out of it - they all of a sudden wind up in the MEST universe.

And we all seem to have more or less entered the MEST universe, thetawise, through the same hole. But then there's a distinct possibility that there are MEST universe people who are older than this level or formed differently than this. That distinct possibility faces you.

So, what do we have here? Got this MEST universe. Generally, there was a society here shortly after entrance which really formed a static, because the fellow did the same thing time after time after time after time after time. He was born, grew rapidly and was trained. All right, he was trained. Now, the next thing he did after he was trained was go to work. And what was the work? You got some kind of an idea? Manufacturing electronics would be the same motions practically. You get out of some preclears that they'd even stuff them with food so they wouldn't have to feed them every two weeks. If they sassed a guard or something like that, they had a part of them or had a field that matched them back in the guardhouse, and all you had to do was turn a switch and this fellow was in bad shape right away. At a vast distance, he was in bad shape. How do you like this electronically? Boy, could you sell this to the federal government!

Anyway, the name of this universe is Arsclycus. Now, there are some joiners in here on this track, and then there's this installed-emotions incident. There are these various periods of reliving lives over and over. And then there's some more odds and ends of incident, like added entities, subtracted entities. Someplace or other on the track, a person has agreed to do almost anything. And here is this last cycle, and I want to show you - while we're on this and so on - about the last cycle.

Well, what about taking a break first? Would you like to? And let me tell you about this last cycle? And then we're all through.