We had to get that out of the road and get that all squared away and get Dianetics all wrapped up, finished, so that you won't have to know any more about that, because there's a lot of mysteries around here of one kind or another.

There are those you know who — who know and there are those who know; there are those who know. And then there are no — those who don't care if they find out or not. And then there are those, you see, who — who better not find out.

We look up and down the wall there, we find Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations. You wonder what on earth do we have to do with that. We look back here, we find a terrific number of flags and we say, "Well, that all goes in with the United Nations program." No that isn't. We've got people in every single one of those countries.

Audience: Yeah.

Yes, sir.

Now, just ran a little process on you here which is a very, very interesting process, just to say goodbye to the figure-figure band.

And in addition to that — in addition to that I will show you shortly that we're a little bit better supported than the United Nations.

As I say, it flattens on a preclear, individually audited, just exactly as I did it — putting it in the walls, making sure he puts it into the walls. It flat-tens in about three to five minutes. That is, the worst of the results and effects come off.

I hope nobody will tell you — the United Nations that because I wouldn't want to hurt their feelings.

It's a genetic entity implant and is the higher harmonic of eating.

But the truth of the matter is that the people who were in those countries aren't trying to chisel the people in those countries into some program or favor which makes the people in the other countries subservient to the people in those countries, you know?

Did you ever run into a preclear who sort of digested his engrams? Did you? Did you ever run into one?

In other words, there's no United Nation program mixed up with those flags at all. Even the United Nations and ourselves are at peace. I mean there's just peace reigning everywhere. There's hardly anybody fighting any-body right at the present time. Oh, of course, there's a little matter of Sydney fighting Melbourne and Melbourne fighting Sydney. Johannesburg fighting Pretoria, Pretoria fighting the HASI. The small matter of — of Los Angeles fighting Phoenix and Phoenix still trying to scrap Washington. But little — this is — that's nothing, see? That's understandable warfare.

Well, I see that this phenomenon is not entirely unknown.

Because, what are they fighting about? Each one of them is fighting to be better than the others. Each one of them is fighting for better recognition for what they are actually doing to help mankind. And our people in those countries in the last week have actually done more to help mankind resolve its problems than any other organization on the face of Earth. And therefore, it's not entirely a gag or a joke that I tell you that what you're looking at there might mean more for man than the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.

Now, the difficulties, the general difficulties which a preclear has are — stem really from curiosity. And this is a very high button, you see. And it's a fabulous thing, this curiosity. And one of the better and more understandable explanations of what a preclear is doing, who pulls in engrams on himself, is explained in that one button, "craving to know." Only his body pulls them in, he doesn't. A thetan would pull them in and look at them, a body pulls them in and digests them. Do you see that as a possible phenomenon?

And that's not because of what I'm doing; I'm just a workhorse. I just work, you know. I just try to keep — keep in people's roads and — I mean keep out of people's roads.

In other words, an individual has to know about his past — "Mirhuhhh, if I don't find out . . ." see? No telling what will happen if he doesn't discover whether or not . . . Well, let's — let's not go Freudian because we're not talking about psychoanalysis.

But wherever the sun rises and sets today, Scientology is bringing them up Tone Scale. Wherever the sun shines, and during the entire revolution of its shining, the sun — I'd never dare say this in England — but the sun might be setting now occasionally on some parts of the British Empire, but the sun does not set today on this little empire of a human mind of which we're all a part.

Well, let's see, let me think of another example. Well, let's say, he — he has to know whether or not he was buried or married during his tonsillectomy. Some simple mental problem.

Two years ago we had lots of hopes. Today we have lots of facts.

Well, what makes him so anxious? It's just that some thetan or other has played the trick on him of planting in him "craving to know." That's really all — all there is to it.

A few years ago, we were trying to figure out what we were doing and where we were going. Today we have a very, very good idea of where we're going and most of us, particularly those who have been through recent material, certainly know what they're doing.

Because he doesn't crave to know anything, he merely craves to know. Got that?

A Scientologist really knows better what he's doing than any other skilled professional on the face of Earth. That's a fact. He could do his job better — any of us could do our job better. There are things that one could learn that exist right now and are being taught which would greatly better one's ability to handle any given situation. But, Scientology as a little, tiny empire, even though it has tremendous area, is very peculiar. A lot of auditors lacking enough opponents — a lot of Scientologists occasionally say, "Oh, this Scientologist — that Scientologist is not so good, and so forth." They just want a little bite. But from where I sit — from where I sit I have never known a Scientologist to have other than the best possible intentions toward his people and mankind. When you hear a rumor of some kind or another, remember that. I've been in a position to observe it all these years.

And the funniest part of it is, is that any person simply does want to know things, but when he craves to know things, he can't learn! Because the second he starts to know something he gets sick! Do you understand?

And whatever he was doing, he was doing what he was doing because he thought it was the right thing to do. In other words, you can trust the people in Scientology no matter which one of those flags he flies. You understand that — that there's a body of people on Earth today who can be trusted, whose intentions are good and whose intentions get better.

He craves to know and somebody starts to oblige him and he said .. . Only he does it so fast, he doesn't realize there's a somatic involved. Follow me? He does it so fast he doesn't realize there's a somatic involved in it. Craving to know.

No, you shouldn't have applauded that one really, because I'm talking about you.

Therefore, a healthy desire to know is balked by a craving to know.

Now, wherever we have — wherever we have people, wherever we have an office, we have good intentions and willing hearts. It has been a little bit heartbreaking to me as the years went on not to be able to do my particular job faster. It's taken me six years to wrap these subjects pretty well up.

A person, a student who is craving to know something, never finds it out. Give you an example. Husband jealous of wife. Why? No evidence. But he still craves to know who she's been out with.

I'll tell you a funny story. It's a joke on me. I wouldn't permit anybody else to mention it. A couple of months ago I was slumped on the sofa in my office. I was feeling bad — I was feeling very bad. That's very unusual. I was in a turmoil. I was upset. I was staring straight into the teeth of an end of a game called research. And I knew why I felt bad. I said, "What am I going to do?"

You see, he really doesn't care whether it — whether she's been out or not. It's just that he craves to know. And if he can't find out — buhahhhah, see? That is the jealousy somatic that so many of you have seen.

I said there's — here it is. I said the Tone Scale has come to life, and preclears are walking up it. And the auditors that we get ahold of and train, they're doing the darnedest things with people. Well, I just guess I'll have to retire, because my job's pretty well done.

Now, somebody arrested, for instance suddenly, craves to know why he is being arrested; but again, this "why he is being arrested" is simply just the same manifestation all over again. You got it?

Mary Sue got ahold of me and she gave me some auditing. She knew better than to say, "What's the matter with you?" "Yow, yow, yow, yow, yow ..."

The case that doesn't have any — very good luck in processing is running this way. You audit out four or five incidents, he finds out about what he's doing. You see? He finds out about these hidden points in the time track and he gets them very smoothly down, and so forth. And you say, "Boy, now that man will feel better," we say. "Oh, that man will feel very much better."

So Suzie, giving me the business and "problems of comparable magnitude to finishing up research" and a few minor things like this — and I said, "Just a minute" — I was getting a cognition, you know. "Just a minute," I said. "There's just something here that's right on the tip of my mind." I said, "Don't ask me that question again." I said, "I really — really . . ." Then I said, "What do you know — what do you know, we've been six years assembling materials and tools so that we would have a game to play. Research never was a game. In other words, we're about to start."

Three, four days later, he's craving to know what happened before then. So we audit out a few more engrams and he finds out by the picture system what happened to him. He feels so relieved and then next week he's got to find out why his father married the girl. In other words, his curiosity has fallen down the line from simple interest and curiosity, into a somatic desire and this physical desire, this craving to know, gets him into jealousy, gets him into problems, problems, problems, problems, problems. He finally gets problems so that he'll have a craving to know about problems. And he has to have more problems so that he can know the answers to those because he knows that he has to have the answers to problems, because he craves to know the answers to problems. So naturally, he has to have problems in order to know about them.

Well, I don't know whether you think the congress has started or not. The congress started yet?

I know that doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense.

Audience: Yes.

But this is a congress on human problems, so I just thought we might as well take the first day and just dish this whole thing in. Do you see? Problems are the lower harmonic of curiosity and that's all they are. Now, they have other anatomies — problems fit into games. A person wants a game, wants problems.

Well, all right. Hello!

But problems only cross up where an individual has to know the answer to the problem!

Audience: Hello.

Now, let me assure you that a research man going on a "craving to know" never learns anything because he is made so impatient by this somatic that he never can stand still long enough to find out!

Okay. In other words, we've got this thing wheeling, huh?

So that we get the view of somebody who takes test tubes and Bunsen burners and prefrontal lobes and other material objects and he keeps looking at these things, and he's just about to discover something, when he says, "I'll find out about that . . . No, we'll leave that up to Professor Upjohn." "Now, Professor Upjohn, why don't you do a connected series of three cases. That's plenty to establish it as the national remedy for this." And he doesn't ever find out.

Audience: Yeah.

It becomes painful to know, because he wants to know.

It's going?

Knowingness can even be a blow. It's a very odd thing, that if you were to take a man and hit him very hard, he would get up believing he had found out something. Do you follow me? He would actually believe he'd discovered something. He'll have all sorts of rationale concerning this.

Audience: Yeah.

But let's say — let's say we were being Schutzstaffel or something of the — of another age and time, that seemed to specialize in this sort of thing; but their idea of "human rights" was to put somebody up to his neck in foul water for thirty days. That was human rights: the right to be tortured.

Good. Very, very good.

And the Schutzstaffel then — let us say would get this fellow and they would hit him and he would get up feeling he possibly might know some-thing, you see. And they didn't have to say anything, they just hit him! And then he might know something. And then they would just hit him and then he figured out, "You know, there's something I might know. Let's see. Why are they punishing me? I must be guilty of something. I do know something, I'm sure. It's just on the tip of my mind in some fashion that — " so on.

Now, I'd hate to have to — I'd hate to have to ask you this because I know it's — I'll have to persuade you. I know I'll have to persuade you a lot. And I know there are a lot of new people here that'll have to be persuaded likewise. I — and it kind of embarrasses me because I've never asked you before — but would you like some Group Processing?

So, they get him out in the water and they hit him again! And they hit him again! And they hit him again! And they say — then after they have given him this regimen — they say to him "Confess!" And he, if he's really been handled and he was crazy in the first place, he now confesses. To what? To anything. Because he knows something and it's a great relief to him to give voice to somebody else. Do you understand that? That he knows something.

Audience: Yeah!

And the only thing his accusers will listen to is a confession of his own deeds which he never performed.

So — so what we really ought to do here then, wouldn't you say, is have a little session, huh? That's all right?

Now, I assure you that there's something quite peculiar about this. He doesn't confess because he wishes to escape further punishment — that is a rationale. He confesses because he believes he did it.

Audience: Yeah.

Now, how does he believe he did it? Well, he must know something. Obviously, they keep hitting him. It has nothing to do with the fact they're accusing him. They just keep hitting him. And every time they hit him, he's got the sensation of having received some information. And eventually he becomes the information he thinks he's receiving and he will actually remember having sabotaged the railroad cars or done something filthy like — oh, I don't know — thought a dirty thought about a general or something.

I take it then — I take it then on the slight hint that you've given me, that it would be all right if I audited you?

And he will come up and he will say, "Well, I did it."

Audience: Yes.

How does this mechanism occur? It occurs in a very, very simple fashion, actually. Knowingness is a common denominator and so blows, food, anything else, would be either on a desire to know, which is curiosity, or knowingness itself. And these things play off one against the other and we get as a result of this a very tangled state of affairs. Because it might be in the first place that there's nothing to know. It just might be that there's nothing to know! It just might be that everything that there is to know has to be invented in the first place so you know about it. Do you follow me?

Okay?

So, right along with "Craving to know," we get another button which isn't auditable particularly, called "Inventing something to know about."

Well now, a word of warning — a word of warning to new people who are here: You new people — anybody that's only been in it four or five years is new people. I get a kick out of these old auditors; they walk around and they speak about these modern auditors. "Never run any engram, huh? Well now, back in the old days . . ."

A thetan, native state, not-knows anything about it, makes something, invents something to know about it, gives parts of the body internally all kinds of Latin names. And then says, "You see, I know something about this. Look at all this list of names." Well, that's idiotic, but he thinks he knows something about it.

It's very funny, when this new material came out on engrams — I'm not going to audit you on engrams — but when this new material came out on engrams why, almost all of the (quote) modern auditors (unquote) went around to the old-timers and they said, "rrrrrrr-rrrrrr . . ." And the old-timer would say, "Well, I'll run an engram on you. Lie down."

You take a — oh, I don't know, a brain — a brain collector — one of these chaps — one of these chaps who makes a whole long list of things, and he says, "These things are psychosis. There's epiflavus; there's manic obulous; there's schizophrenia class one, class two, class three, class four and schizophrenia unclassified. Then there's legulla oblongata, schizophrenia paranoia — unclassified." You know?

All right. Well, enough of this shilly-shallying. I want to tell you who, if you haven't been in Scientology too long, I would like to caution you — very definitely caution you about just sitting there and not running the process. I'm not joking now. Anybody around you can tell you that this is a fatal course in Group Auditing. After a while, why, you feel — you say, "What is he talking about?" Thud!

Did you ever see some of the Germanic insanity classifications? They go page, after page, after page and at the end of that page after page after page, we get down to something very, very interesting indeed. We get "other types." And at — under these "other types" we find all the insane people that they pulled into the sanitarium. They have a very good system there — nobody ever uses it.

Then the seminar leaders who are standing by here and their assistants will have to say, "Lie down on the couch." But I'll tell you that's not a good way to get an engram run because some of these seminar leaders are very, very good but they're modern auditors — they've never run one. And that's pretty bad. So there they are, up and down there. They're the boys that you'll be seeing tonight and they're standing by on this Group Auditing in case some new — newcomer is foolish enough not to do any of these commands and in case some old-timer does them too well. All right. All right.

Well now, that system was imported into America from Germany, along with psychiatry some fifty years ago. And the system has not been changed materially, but it has been added to and added to and added to and added to until there are as many psychoses, pretendedly, as there are parts of the brain. And believe me, there are a lot of parts of the brain.

Now, Group Processing is an exercise by which the auditor stands up in front of a group and asks them to do silly things which they do obediently and it's just, you know, funfest-like barn dancing and nothing happens and at the end of that time, everybody feels cheerful, okay?

I look in a brain and I don't see very much, except some neurons that are going snap against the synapses. It's not a very complicated arrangement. It is not even very electrical, it is not even very helpful, but you wouldn't want sawdust in there. Brains don't do any thinking.

Audience: Yeah.

And what do you know. We have a lot to know about on the subject of insanity then, all of which is invented knowingness.

Huh? Is that a good description of it?

Now, somebody comes along, thinking about this, in this congress of human problems, and puts a bill down here through the United States Congress and enacts it into law, the first line of which says, "In view of the fact that 775,000 people are admitted every day into American mental institutions ..." And a little further down, ". . . and in view of the fact that the better institutions cure 75 percent of those who are sent to them ..." And a little further down, "We hereby demand and receive an appropriation to create better public relations for psychiatry . . ."

Audience: Yeah.

And only one association in the United States was permitted to use or to make a bid for any part of that money. And those facts that appeared in a bill before the United States Congress and were enacted into law are lies — complete utter falsehoods. And the individuals who put them in are guilty of fraudulent misappropriation of United States funds! That's theft!

All right.

Because 775,000 Americans aren't admitted every day into institutions! If that were true, how long would it take to put the whole country in?

Now, I would dearly love to actually run you on some — some tough processes, but we do have new members in our midst. So, I'm afraid that you people who have had lots of Group Auditing will be disappointed because — well, as a matter of fact — matter of fact, I'm going to run you on nothing but very, very old processes. Is that all right?

Now, here could be something to know about. There really could be some-thing to know. That is to say, a being mocks up, let us say, a table, and he says, "You put things on it." And people say, "Well, we can agree to that. That's good. That's fine. That's useful."

Audience: Yeah.

And then somebody else comes along and invents a whole classification of tables by manufacturer. Well, this is useful, too. There are Chippendales and Steinways and other furniture makers who ... I see we have some other pianists in the audience. And these people, of course, classifying those are simply classifying something that's real and actual. The table is real, it's solid. You've got something there, you can put things on it, you could take things off of it, you could build it in various ways, you can cover it with various cloths. It is something with which we can associate with, handle, feel — it's there. That's all.

Well, I invented the process I'm going to run on you Monday. And they're out of date now. They're all out of date. But we'll run them anyway. And another word of caution is, don't audit these on a preclear till you've been through indoctrination; you'll find he won't be able to take it. What's the matter? "You mean he's going to audit Group Processing commands on some-body, that he advises us not to audit on preclears. Is that right?" That's right.

Now, you could know about that. You could even have a catalog of the people who build tables and all of the types of tables, and this is all factual, because they did build them and there were various types.

I'm going to audit you on some stuff — some commands — that have been audited successfully on groups by Hubbard. So, just lay aside your notebook , and if you buy a set of congress tapes or do something foolish like that, take tape number two out and burn it.

But what would we think of somebody who came along after all this and made a totally completely phony classification on the subject of tables?

Now, in Group Auditing we do something very peculiar. We look up front here and find out if there's a wall. Well, when I ask you if there's a wall up here, why, you pick anything that you can see that vaguely looks like a wall, you understand? Hm? Vaguely looks like a wall. You just do — take any — anything up there or here or that or if your tolerance is very high, why, you can pick a wall as solid as that, but .. .

He said that tables were ordinarily used to dry shoes. He gave us thou-sands of uses all of which were assigned to tables. None of them were useful to tables. He gave us types of tables that were never built, never observed, never seen!

If I ask you to look at a wall there that is over on your right, I mean that wall there, see? Now, a wall runs all the way up there. Any place on that wall is legitimate and that is the wall on your right. You got it? Huh? All right.

Well, we would say, that man — that man has no sense of utility or the fitness of things. Right?

Now, if you — this wall over here — this wall over here is the wall on your left, you got that? It's the wall on your left. Now, it's legitimate all the way to the back. You can look anywhere on that wall when I say "that wall," you got that?

Audience: Right.

Audience: Yeah.

What would you think of somebody who — great — gave numerous classifications of insanity which were not discovered in real life?

All right.

Do you know that you could keep on classifying insanity on and on and on and on until every slightest eccentricity was then classified as an insanity — every slightest eccentricity. The fact that somebody didn't always put his shoes on when he got out of bed, but walked around barefooted for twenty minutes. We could then finally say, "This is insanity!" couldn't we?

Now, you new people, that's all right, we haven't gone mad. There is a purpose in this. Now, I've been meaning to write a book about it or get one of you to write a book about it or something like that. There is a purpose in it. Now, you see that ... Well, anything back there — anything there at the back end of the room is quite legitimate as a wall. How's that? Huh? You got anything you pick back there. So we say the wall in the back of the room or the back of the room, why, you look back there, and you got that. Okay?

We keep adding to this classification, adding to it, adding to it, more and more insanity, more and more insanity, more and more types until we would have achieved this goal of every American in an institution.

Audience: Yeah.

Now, I ask you, would insanity be on the increase? Or would the classifications be on the increase?

All right.

Audience: Right.

Now, that there is the floor. And we say "the floor," you touch that part that's under you.

In other words, it might not be true today at all that insanity is on the increase! It might be declining enormously — unless it was worth money to somebody to have it increase.

Got that?

Now, I realize that it's a serious charge to say that any group has fraudulently obtained funds from the United States. And if I were not in possession of the bill, and if I had not had the exact appropriation located, if we had not found the money and had then thereafter seen the program in action, I would not tell you those facts. But that bill can be procured from the printing office down in Congress.

Now, up above, you will find a ceiling. You see a ceiling up there, huh? All right. Is it up there?

Male voice: What's the number?

Audience: Yes.

The bill number? Forgotten at the moment. The copy of the bill, however, is in our files. They change numbers on bills every time they go from the House to the Senate and then to the printing office again. And then it's public law and it gets very confusing keeping track of them. So it's no sense trying to look for copies of bills — you merely look for "Appropriations — psychiatric." And you'll find that bill.

All right. Well now, we call that the ceiling. And if any of you run too strong a postulate and knock it down, why, I don't know whether the congress is insured or not, so take it easy.

There have been other such bills. Bills and bills and bills and bills, all of which seem to have to do with increasing facilities, increasing payrolls and increasing insanity! Now that is important.

Anyway ... Now, anything along that aisle, that aisle or the center or inside or — that's all legitimately the ceiling, you got that?

That is important to us here at this congress because we are the only people at this time in America who are doing anything for mental health! And we aren't considered even vaguely fit to be near insanity, and so we don't handle it. We don't want it actually. Our business happens to be in the field of ability.

Audience: Yes.

But the fact is that we can do something about it! Then please answer the question: Why hasn't somebody stepped forward — because we've talked enough, we've written enough, we've demonstrated enough. Why hasn't some-body stepped forward and said, "Boys, if it is true that insanity is increasing at this alarming rate so that very soon we're going to have to put an electric wire fence all the way around America — here's a government institution — show us what you can do." We'd show them.

Oh, you really got that real good.

I've seen an old Dianeticist walk down the hall of an institution and leave — out of all the many people he addressed — two or three of them perfectly sane behind him. He just told them to come up to present time. Everybody he met in the institution, he'd say, "Hello. Come up to present time."

Now — now, do you see that pillar there?

One girl came up to present time and gave a speech that night on how glad she was to be there. Factual — factual.

Audience: Yes.

No, I wouldn't lead you astray or lay myself open to libel suits by giving you information on this very interesting subject.

Huh? Well now, that is pillar number one. You got that?

But there is something to know about the mind: that it exists, that it has reality, that it has existence, that it follows certain rules and patterns. And that is only as true as we find those amongst us who have those pat-terns and who do follow that existence, and who do share with us an agreement upon the reality of this physical universe.

Audience: Yeah, okay.

But if we invariably discover this to be the case, then there is something to know about the mind. And we can stop inventing things to know about it.

Now, any angle or look at that anywhere from any viewpoint, that's still pillar one.

I'll give you an example of inventing something to know about the mind. "All insanity stems from childhood sexual peccadillos." You people can handle minds and making people more able. And have you ever found one preclear whose case and life resolved because you could eradicate some small sexual experience or guilt in his life? Have you ever?

Audience: Okay.

Audience: No.

I don't want to get any semantic mess-up here. I don't want some of you preclears getting up and telling me that that isn't really pillar number one because it isn't a pillar but a column. We don't care about that. We'll call it pillar number one and that's that, see.

Has anybody found one?

This over here, we call pillar number two. You see it there?

Well, then, let me tell you something. You have handled amongst you thousands and thousands of people and, therefore, the datum couldn't possibly be real, could it?

Audience: Yeah.

Well, then what's it doing still being sold, at what expense, to the United States government? If it isn't there, why are they treating it? Unless, of course, they might have other fish to fry. But that we don't know — that we don't care about.

Look at it. You see it there? All right.

We can appreciate a man trying to hold a job just like we can appreciate a hog trying to lie in the food trough, if he holds that job only to keep other men from holding jobs as well.

Now, back here we have pillar number four.

So, it's very pertinent, this congress of human problems, to take up this thing called knowingness — very, very pertinent indeed. Because there is something to know about the mind — there is something to know.

Audience: Four? Three?

Maybe man didn't know it a few years ago, but we certainly can demonstrate that it's there to know about. And that by knowing it, a great deal of return to sanity and ability can result. That, I think you will all agree on, don't you?

No, that's four. Oh, you mean I woke you guys up. And that is number three. Got that real good?

Audience: Yes!

Audience: Yeah.

Very well then. Isn't it time that we kissed goodbye to all this invented knowingness?

All right.

How we go about doing that happens to be the business of this congress, because it is the primary problem in our own lives and is a primary problem in the public life of our country.

Now these — one, two, three, four. We will simply substitute if anybody happens to be running this as a pat, set process with no variation of command, we will simply use one, two, three, four as the corners of the room vertically, you see. But we'll use one, two, three and four. You got them now? One, two, three, four. Got it? Got it real good?

What we do to discourage misappropriation of funds on misrepresentation of facts; what we do to swing forward a broad, effective program to bring into being a saner look at insanity, a saner look at neurosis — and more importantly and better and more intimately in our own activities — a better use of our ability to create higher abilities in man. Do you agree with me that that is a good enough reason to have a congress?

Audience: Yeah.

We have a great deal of technology. I suppose we have examined over ten thousand, certainly, separate phenomena in the mind, body and spirit since 1950. We have probably examined more per month than are taught in a university in four years. We have isolated the relative importances of these things and we have it down to a point now where we know what is important to handle, and what is unimportant to handle.

And you do have a front of the room?

And the importance of a datum is of equal magnitude to the datum itself. If you don't know how important a datum is, there's no sense in knowing the datum at all.

Audience: Yes.

We knew an awful lot of data in 1950, but we hadn't sorted out all of its importances.

All right. Now, is there anything there resembling — now I want you to take very good care with it. Do you have a chair?

It's very interesting to see an old-timer or a newcomer look in and say, "I thought this was a discovery of last month," and he finds it in Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. It's very interesting and it would be very pleasant to take such a compliment of having been so far — farseeing.

Audience: Yes.

The only difficulty is this: that I didn't know how important it was. But now, knowing Scientology later on, he does know how important it is. So, he does the evaluation of it and brings the importance out and sees that it was written before, and he says, "Ah-ha," he says, "Ahhh — Ron's pretty smart." And of course, I don't go around saying, "Well, luck off that . . ." I say, "Well, we do have certain insights."

All right. Let's find out. Find out if you got a chair. It is really there?

But the selection of importances has occupied the greater proportion of our time doing this work. And we've got it narrowed down now to some very interesting importances — very interesting and very simple.

Audience: Yes.

Now, to give you this information at the same time that I talk to you about using it, seems to me to be quite pat. It seems to me that's what I ought to be doing. Because I can't talk to you forever about the first dynamic if the third dynamic won't permit a first dynamic to exist. And if first dynamics won't permit third dynamics to exist, we will have a very, very unbalanced culture to say the least. You know what would happen if you had a society of cats. Every cat going around is "the only one." I dare say, there'd be some interesting randomity connected with observing such a society, but I seriously doubt that the society itself could handle any of its problems.

All right. All right.

And do you know I sincerely believe that it has been necessary to make men who were able enough to handle the problems of the third dynamic before we could have solutions on the third dynamic, and I think we have done that.

Now, the process we are going to run, unless you object to it too much — unless you object to it too much, the process we are going to run — I don't know — just at the last moment — I do have a conscience after all — and just at the last moment here a little qualm just strikes me so I'll throw in a communication bridge right at the beginning of this, huh? And I'm going to ask you if it's all right if we run this.

I came back here to Washington — the people in the organization are bright, alert people. I look at your faces out there, they aren't the faces I looked at a few years ago. They're younger, more vital, more interested. You look at me — I should have been dead long ago. According to some people if only for the public security.

Hey, seminar leaders, is it all right if I do run that first process we ran on the kids the other night? Do you think that'd be all right? Can you guys take it? Got ambulances standing by out there? All right. Okay. They got them. All right.

But we have answers. Then are we going to take these answers and file them under some professorial classification and say, "Well, we did a good job. And now that we've finished off the task of research, why should we do any-thing about it at all?" Are we going to do that?

Now, would it be all right with you if we put into the wall a craving to know, so that it craves to know?

Audience: No!

Audience: Yeah.

Well, if we're not going to do that, then I'm afraid that we have a little work ahead of us. I'm afraid there's an awful lot of game just over the horizon.

Would that be all right? Oh, you won't be so glib in a moment.

You see, you have to feel comfortable, in addition to your own ability, you have to feel comfortable about your ability to handle aberration in other people. You have to be comfortable about that.

Now, you understand that I want you to put into the wall or item named, a craving to know? Okay?

You, yourself, have to feel a security in your handling of it before you would ever have a subjective reality on the fact that we were actually at end of research track.

Audience: Yeah.

Development — certainly — anything can be refined. Anything! Anything can be smoothed down. But I'm afraid we're over the major hump. And with that, we can look toward action.

So that it craves to know. About what, we don't care. It craves to know.

What sort of action? Bombastic, irresponsible action of a kind that tears more things down than they build up?

Audience: Okay.

No, I think our actions should be to prevent irresponsible action and place forward action which is comprehensible to people of whatever degree or social level.

And you put it in there.

But we will take all that up a few days hence before the congress is over. And right now I'm just talking to you about knowingness, and I wouldn't for a moment influence you.

Audience: Yeah. Is that agreed? Audience: Yeah.

Now, here we have an old friend — to show you where research has gone — here we have an old, old friend. It is a scale which is known as the Know — Mystery Scale.

Well some of you haven't agreed to that yet. Everybody agreed to that?

You remember this scale?

Audience: Yes.

Audience: Yes.

All right. Now, it doesn't matter how you do it. By postulate, by just saying so, by putting a — however you want to do it. Do you understand?

Of course you would. It's a scale. It's a degree of knowingness, actually, and it all comes together under the titles of something to know about. That's all the scale consists of. That's all the life there is.

Audience: Yeah.

Well, right under that scale we have a thing called "not-know," which you ordinarily know as "forget."

Well, all right.

Now, a person knows everything there is to know and then he has to "not-know" something so he'll have some game. He'll have something to do — he'll have something to think about. So he "not-knows," or he forgets his past.

The wall on your right, into the wall on the right, put a craving to know.

Some man who is the greatest authority in the world on sponges, let us say, quite frequently likes to forget the whole thing and become an absent-minded professor so that he can go and study about sponges all over again. It gives him something to do.

Audience: Yeah.

All right, forgettingness is, of course, in this.

Got it real good?

But the next step we get down from there is a very old friend of ours known as "look."

Audience: Yeah.

What does look consist of? Look consists of all perceptions. Do you follow me? All perceptions. The principal four and the fifty others we discovered in the Foundation years ago. There are about fifty-four of these perceptions. Quite an amazing number of them. But they are a perception level of things. You see things, you hear things, you feel hot, cold, the sense of position — all of these things are perceptions of one kind or another.

All right. You got it in there?

But we have summed them up under look.

Audience: Yeah.

But down below this we have emote — emotion. So that below lookingness we have emotion. And below emotion, we have effort. So that an individual who cannot feel emotion does usually, generally feel only effort. He cries — only feels no grief. Because emotion is above his effort.

All right. That's fine.

And down below this we have a thing called think, and that's what the brain is supposed to do. Figure-figure-figure-figure.

Now, into the wall on your left, put a craving to know.

And below think, we have, of course, very rapidly here, symbols. And below symbols, we have eat. And below eat we have sex. And below sex we have mystery. An individual can be seen to go upwards, as he is processed, in terms of interest.

Audience: Yeah.

In other words, at first he's interested only in mysteries, and that's what we just audited, really, the bottom of all of what we audited there, "craving to know" is a mystery. Only a mystery could be so bad that you wouldn't even know there was anything to know about, or know that there was a mystery there, and that would be the mystery of so-called mysteries. And that's what we are talking about at that band.

Real good?

Just above that we have sex. Just above that we have eat. Just above that we have symbols. Then we have think. And then we have effort.

Audience: Yeah.

But, you know, it takes — just shows you what auditing can do for a person, when I could stand up in front of this many people and say, "I've been wrong." It just shows you what auditing can do. I don't know that I'd do it.

Let's do a thorough job of it. All right.

But let us say — let us say I am "omitted." Oh, isn't that a lovely word. I don't have to be "wrong," I'm merely "omitted."

Now, into the front of the room, put a craving to know.

I didn't notice something as we sailed by. There's another part of this scale which tells the whole story of auditing — symbols, down here, and above it — solids. And those two things flank think.

Audience: Okay.

And when one has sym — solids made into symbols, he thinks.

You do that?

A symbol is anything that has mass, meaning and mobility. If you've got something with mass, meaning and mobility it's going to run into things and get dislocated one way or the other, and if you notice this you're liable to think about it. Do you see this?

Audience: Yeah.

So let's just magnify, for your own curiosity, this scale, and put it down on this basis.

All right.

Here we have our old friend, effort, which is to say forte main, strength, and so forth, and under effort we have solids, and under solids we have think, and just to keep us on the scale, we have, of course, below here symbols.

Now, into the back of the room, into the wall at the back of the room, put a craving to know.

Well, that's quite amazing, since that gives us the anatomy of problems. This is a congress on human problems; there's the anatomy of them.

Audience: Okay.

An individual trying to pass from effort upwards would have to go through the emotional band. In other words, he can't lift the table, so he cries — some such thing. Now, that's an inverted look.

I did it.

Much better than that, after an individual can no longer feel apathy, he feels sort of thick, you know, he's sort of woody, you know, sort of dah!

Let's really do that. Did you do that well?

And we go right down from there and we find this is part and parcel of it, as he goes down from simply feeling — tactile is the last perception to move out — he gets into solids, and it is just that solid there.

Audience: Yeah.

Well, the only knowingness left to him is a thinking and symbolization. He figure-figures. He doesn't ever quite arrive at any information. He wants to know about things all the time; he invents things to know about. But actually, here we have a level where he is "craving to know," because he "can't know," you see. He's below being able to know, so he just really "craves to know."

You did that real good, huh?

And down here we have inventions — to know about. He craves to know, so he invents a lot of things to know about — none of which are actual. Do you follow me clearly?

Audience: Yeah.

In other words, when an individual can no longer actively really know, he comes on down scale, he can't emote, he usually can't perceive — is passing. He gets into solids and he can't — follow this carefully — he cannot any longer tolerate solids, then where does he go? Figure-figure-figure.

Well, that's fine.

And his solution is not a solid, but a symbol. Mathematics does this. Mathematics does not confront the bridge girders, mathematics confronts a piece of paper about bridge girders, doesn't it? But if the individual using the mathematics is actually capable of knowingness then the mathematics has some use.

Now, into the floor put a craving to know, so it craves to know.

If the individual who is using the mathematics does not have any knowingness, then he is not capable of any use. Don't you see? If he's not capable of knowing what he has just written down as symbols, then what good are the symbols?

Audience: Okay.

So, suppose you then had people who just wrote down symbols and thought about them without ever knowing anything! Symbols — he thought about them, and thought about them, and they were symbols. And he thought a little bit more, so he wrote some more symbols, but he didn't know what they mean, so he thought about them. You see how this could be? And this is the basic problem. An individual who is at this band has problems in such legion that to solve any of his problems would be a great disfavor for the excellent reason that he can't tolerate a solution.

Got that real good, huh?

Now, hardly anybody, thinkingly speaking, can really well tolerate solutions. You try to run too many solutions on a person before you also give him the ability to have a few more problems, he's liable to become upset! You follow me? Making sense to you?

Audience: Yeah.

Audience: Yes.

All right.

Any way?

Now, you see a ceiling up there?

In other words, what I'm trying to tell you about is, that is the basic anatomy of human problems!

Audience: Yeah.

Human problems are that the individual cannot face the actuality of the problem — he can't face the mass anymore. He can no longer look at his wife, let us say, he can no longer look at his children, he can no longer really look at his car. These are all solids, you see.

All right. Into the ceiling put a craving to know.

But something is keeping him in the house, but he doesn't want to be there. There's only one thing left for him to do! That's think! Do you see that?

Audience: Okay.

When they can no longer face solids, they think! Figure-figure-figure, think-think-think-think-think. Let's see. Let's see. And it drives them mad not to have something to think about. So they get symbols as substitutes for solids and getting these symbols in various juxtapositions so that they are incomprehensible, they then have something to think about. And this ordinarily passes for thinking.

Got that?

I've just given you an example of that. Because they cannot face the actual fact of a psychotic, some practitioners are likely to think about psychosis, not look at it. Don't you see? They can't confront the solid, so they think about it in terms of symbols. And they wind up in thinking psychoses and neuroses that don't exist. And they become a problem. They themselves are now a problem as people, as a practice, because they're not solving anything, they're not doing anything, they're just running via. They write down some more symbols, and they think about these symbols, and then they write down another book, and so on, and they never look at this at all. Do I make my point?

Audience: Yes.

Audience: Yes.

There's a couple of people not doing this! Have you got the ambulances standing by? Okay. Fire and rescue squad too!

They just never look at a solid at all, so how the devil could they know anything about the subject if there was no way, whatsoever, for them to communicate with the subject itself?

All right. Now, how did that go?

Supposing they couldn't tolerate solids at all! Supposing nothing in the world could be solid to them. They couldn't look at a person. A person is pretty solid. They couldn't look at a — at any time, they couldn't look at the actual instruments with which they were dealing, they could just think about looking. And this is one of the more curious things you ever saw.

Audience: Fine.

You say to some fellow, "How are your children?" If he can't look at his children, you will see him go, "Well — uh — I think they're all right. Uh — they're doing fine. I think." See?

Now, let's see if you can do it a little bit better and this time, get that wall really craving to know. Craving to know. Get the idea? Rrrowww. Right over there. Right-hand wall, make it craving to know.

In other words, a person who can no longer confront the object he is supposed to know about can no longer know about it! If one cannot confront the object one is trying to know about, he will never know about it!

Audience: Okay.

So, the first mechanism necessary to know about a subject, the first mechanism to know about a subject is: Is it? The first thing you'd have to know about a subject: Is it? Does it exist?

Did you make it?

There's no sense in knowing all there is to know about the Rocky Mountain ibex if there are no Rocky Mountain ibex and never have been.

Audience: Yeah.

Then one comes into a dream world, a complete fantasy. So therefore his problems and his worries have nothing to do with the actual masses or objects with which he's surrounded.

All right. All right. All right. All right.

A person with marital problems cannot confront the objects connected with marriage! So he has problems about them, and thinks about them, and that is all! He never looks!

Now, in the left-hand wall put into it a craving to know.

You could say then that a man who has major overwhelming and over-powering problems is in — unable to confront the objects which are the subjects of those problems! Do you follow me?

Audience: Okay. All right.

Audience: Yes.

Now, into the front of the room put a craving to know. You put it into the front of the room.

This gets very plain then, doesn't it?

Audience: Okay.

Audience: Yes.

Easy, huh?

In other words, an individual who has problems with cars can't look at a car. And you'll find this is true in society. You'll see some old rattletrap bucketing along one way or the other. Well, maybe it's just running on a wish and a prayer because the guy can't afford anything else.

Audience: Yeah.

Now, there is another manifestation entirely. A car is going along, and its wheels are kind of going this-a-way and that way, it's going dah-dah-dah and no money problem really involved, or maybe there is, but you say to the fellow, "How are you getting along with your car?"

Like a breeze.

"Oh, the thing won't start."

Audience: Uh-huh.

"Oh, it won't start?"

Good. Good. That's fine. All right.

"Oh, in addition to everything else, it won't start."

Now, into the back of the room, put a craving to know.

You say, "Well, well, what are we going to do with this thing? What are we going to do with this thing?"

Audience: Okay.

He'd say, "I don't know."

Did you make it?

The car is sitting there, see.

Audience: Yeah.

"Yeah, I don't know. I wonder why it won't start? That's all right, don't tell me, I'll think of it in a month. I wonder why the car won't start? I wonder if it wasn't the — oh, I don't know, it might have been the type of gasoline, it might not have been, dah, dah ... Let's see, who used that car last week? Oh, I've forgotten, but I bet it was that person that used the car last week must have done something to the car to make it start ..."

Did you really make it?

And he's liable to walk right off from the car and start complaining to people about the person who used the car last week, and trying to find out who it was. The car didn't start because he didn't turn on the ignition key! Why didn't he turn on the ignition key? Because he can't look at the car.

Audience: Yes.

I did this one day myself in a very interesting way. I dismantled the little ignition system because I couldn't get it to work and put it back together again at considerable cost and effort and time. We wanted to use the vehicle and I put the little ignition system back together again, and so forth and noticed that a battery terminal wasn't connected. There wasn't any sense in taking the ignition system to pieces. It didn't have any juice through the wires.

All right.

And we were at that time running the motto, "Look, don't think." We knew that, but we didn't know how important that was going to be to Scientology. And me, I just really, actually had not looked all the way around on the circuit and noticed that the battery terminal was disconnected.

Now, into the floor put a craving to know.

We all do things like that whether we're in a hurry or otherwise. Well, don't confuse that with an inability to look at a battery — an inability to look at an ignition system. An individual will take them all to pieces and strew them all over the floor and you'll never get them back together again. He has to create a new problem, don't you see.

Audience: Okay.

He creates a new problem every time he attempts to solve the old one! And he creates the new problems which are worse than the problems that they solve. Once upon a time we used to call this the "principle of the introduction of an arbitrary." And that's just how they did it, that's all. That explains how they did it. This explains what they're doing.

Is it craving to know?

An individual who can no longer confront the mass thing with which he is dealing will have problems with it — and that is the totality of human aberration. There isn't anything more to it than that. I'm sorry, I'd love to be complicated.

Audience: Yes.

The funny part of it is, that an individual's confronting of solids must contain his looking and participating in the solidity. In other words, he must be willing to make that solid before he can perceive that it is solid. When he depends on something to be solid which is not very solid to him, it eventually sort of disappears.

All right. Let me ask you factually right this moment, is that floor craving to know?

In other words, he goes all around the world depending on everything to be solid and he never makes anything solid. He has placed a childish faith in things — we won't say what — in the creation of these things. He doesn't think that he himself had any part in their manufacture, and so he says, "Well, here's all of these objects, and they're all solid, I see."

Audience: Yes.

Look! If he doesn't make them solid, they won't stay that way! And they become thinner, and thinner, and thinner to him.

All right. If there's any doubt about it in your mind, make it crave to know. You do it. You make that floor crave to know. Once more.

Now, they become as solid to other people as they make them solid, or don't make them solid. But he goes around depending on other people to make the wall solid so he can look at it. Do you see how that is? And do you know after a while he won't see it, because it isn't solid to him?

Audience: Okay.

In order to have a solid wall, you've got to make one. It isn't enough to just suppose it's going to stay solid for the rest of time. It won't.

All right. That's fine.

So something else enters into here. A person who no longer creates, will have problems. And a person who no longer creates solids, will be in grave trouble if he goes on fooling with solids.

Now, let's look up at the ceiling. Now, let's put into the ceiling, craving to know. It really craves to know.

So the answer to problems broadly is, you might say, causative solids. I just coined that for you, it's not a technical term. It's much too fancy for Dianetics and Scientology — causative solids.

Audience: Okay.

In other words, the individual falls away from life because he got into a sort of a parasitic frame of mind of expecting everybody to make everything solid for him. Everybody was going to make the whole universe solid for him. Everybody was going to make everything solid for him. And all he had to do was look at it or weigh it, or rap on it. And he will go downhill until he himself reenters and consciously plays the game of "I'm a thetan that can make nothing solid and I am making it solid and it is solid because I now perceive it is solid." Have you got the game?

Real good, huh?

Audience: Yes.

Audience: Yeah.

That's the game he plays. When he no longer plays the game, the game does not continue to be played, and he won't have anything solid. That's all. When you stop playing a game, you're — you're not playing the game, the game is playing you.

All right. You got it in that real good?

And when the game starts to play you, you get into this situation, and you never come up scale above that.

Audience: Yeah.

Human problems consist of a refusal to observe human conditions. That's all.

Okay. Now, how do you feel?

Except that an individual who refuses to participate in a forward constructive attitude toward life refrains thereafter from living. If a person cannot participate in life, he can't live as we know livingness.

Audience: Fine.

All you have to do to get back in the game is just play the game. And we've been six years trying to find out what game we were playing, and it's a very simple game.

Anybody feel horrible?

It's the game of "make it solid, look how solid it is." And that's about all the game there is.

Audience: No.

And when you run solids, the figure-figures all drop out. When you run the figure-figures, you make no real progress in the case at all. No real progress.

Everybody feels okay, huh?

So, although Dianetics appears to be revived, it is simply this — we have now a mirror image of Dianetics. We used to run the thoughts and problems of the engram, we now run the engram off the thoughts and problems and they vanish. You understand there is a difference?

Audience: Yeah.

And that's all really I have to tell you technically, and I guess that's — that's about that, and you go on and get your Personal Efficiency Course and then settle down and have a lazy tomorrow and — practically nothing to do. I have very little to tell you beyond that. Yeah, that's about it.

All right. This time we're going to refrain carefully from putting any effort into this.

You know, I detected there's somebody in the audience that doesn't believe me!

Male voice: Okay.

Well, I am very glad you are here for many reasons, because you are my friends, and because I'm glad to be home, and because there's a lot of information to give you. And there is an awful lot of help in putting things to rights and into action that I need from you. And I need that very much.

Okay. Is that all right with you?

And as these next three days roll along, why, you'll find out what it is.

Audience: Yeah.

Just now, we're overtime. I will see you all tomorrow at one o'clock.

Now, we're just going to put it in with the lightest possible thing and with avoidance of effort. We're not going to use any effort or strength. We're just going to put it in there lightly, you understand. But really put it into the wall.

Good night.

Female voice: Yeah.

Got it? All right.

Into the wall on the right put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Okay? Did you do that — nice?

Audience: Yeah.

Good.

Now, remember, avoid effort in this. Avoid it. All right.

Now, into the wall on the left put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Real, real lightly, huh? Delicately.

Now, into the front of the room put a craving to know, avoiding effort — craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Good. Good. Good.

Now, into the back of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right. How are you doing?

Audience: Fine.

Still doing all right, huh? Still alive and everything?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Now, into the floor put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Okay. You do that real good?

Audience: Yeah.

Now, into the floor put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right.

Now, look at the ceiling and into the ceiling put a craving to know.

Audience: All right. Okay.

How's that, huh?

Audience: Fine.

Are you doing real good now?

Audience: Yeah.

Doing better?

Audience: Yes.

All right.

Now, you understand, I want you to avoid effort. I don't want you to use crunch effort, you see, in this. I want you to do it lightly, carefully avoiding using any effort, you understand?

Audience: Yes.

All right.

Now, into the wall on the right — and I mean into it — you put, as a sin or an overt act or anything you care, a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Did you get that good?

Audience: Okay, yeah.

All right.

Now, into the wall on the left put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You really got that wall so it craves to know?

Audience: Yes.

Are you convinced that wall craves to know?

Audience: Yes.

It really craved to know?

Audience: Yes.

Well, you'll get better at it. You'll get better at it, don't worry about that. Now, into the front of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that?

Audience: All right.

You got a craving to know into the front of the room?

Audience: Yes.

All right.

Now, into the back of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got that real good?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Do you believe the back of the room craves to know?

Audience: Yes. All right.

Now, into the floor — you still got a floor there?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Well, into the floor put — you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right. That's fine.

Now, look at the ceiling.

Audience: Okay.

Have you got a ceiling there?

Audience: Yeah.

Now, into the ceiling put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that?

Audience: That's fine.

Okay.

Well, how you making out? Huh?

Audience: All right.

Nobody's felt anything here?

Audience: No. Yeah.

Oh, somebody has? Well, that's good. He's probably doing the process and the rest of you are goofing.

Now listen, you make sure now that that wall on your right craves to know.

Audience: Okay.

Make sure of it. Good. Make sure of it. It craves to know. We don't care what but it really craves to know. How's that?

Audience: All right.

Got it now?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Now, into the wall over here on your left put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right. That's fine.

Now, can you — you really — you really getting it in there?

Audience: Yeah.

Some of you people are a little less fast here on it?

Audience: Yeah.

A little more conscientious. Can you really get it in there?

Audience: Yeah.

Get it in there good?

Audience: Yes.

Could you guarantee that it craves to know?

Audience: Yeah.

Really craves to know?

Audience: Yes.

And that you made it crave to know?

Audience: Yeah.

You got that? Got that? You made it crave to know. It really craves to know, huh? All right. That's fine. That's fine.

I'm glad you're satisfied with that one because I'm getting a little more satisfied with you.

Now, get the front of the room here craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Front of the room craving to know. It really wants to, huh?

Audience: Yes.

It really wants to know. Any of you people who've been instructing students get restimulated on this?

Now, into the back of the room — into the back of the room let's put craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

That's easy, huh? That's real easy? Huh?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Is there anybody not satisfied yet that — anybody who feels that he has not yet put a craving to know into any of these walls? Anybody who feels he hasn't done it? It's perfectly all right for you to volunteer, I won't do anything to you.

Male voice: No.

You don't feel you've done it yet?

Male voice: No. All right.

Male voice: But I want the auditing.

All right. Now, you really don't feel you've done it yet, real good, huh? Well, I'll tell you what you do this next time as we go around — I'll tell you exactly what you do. Just do the best you can to the wall on your right to put a craving to know into it. You try to put it into it. Do your best to get a craving to know so that that wall craves to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that now? A little better?

Audience: Yeah.

Huh? All right. Good. Good. That's fine.

Now, this wall over here — this wall over here on your left, let's get a craving to know into it.

Audience: Okay.

All right.

You getting better at it?

Audience: Yeah.

Is anybody getting worse at it?

Audience: No.

Getting better at it? Just a little bit better?

Audience: Yeah.

A little bit?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's good.

Now, see this front of the room up here, these walls and things up here? All right. Now, you put a craving to know into it.

Audience: Okay.

Got it? You get — really getting a little better at it?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Now, let's take a look at the back of the room. Got it there?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Now, you put into the back of the room a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You really getting it into the back of the room there?

Audience: Yeah.

Does it crave to know?

Audience: Yes.

All right. That's fine. You're getting just a — I don't care how much better, but just a tiny bit, huh? All right. Good.

Now, the floor. Let's put a craving to know in the floor. It really craves to know.

Audience: Okay.

Good. Good. That's fine.

Now, let's take a look at the ceiling. Now, let's put a craving to know in the ceiling.

Audience: Okay.

Good. Good. Good. Really got one in there that time?

Audience: Yeah.

Really got a craving to know in there?

Audience: Yeah.

It really wants to know now?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's good. That's very, very good.

Now, are we doing better?

Audience: Yeah.

Huh? We going about the right speed now?

Audience: Yes.

Going too fast for anybody?

Audience: No.

Going too slow for anybody? Yes?

Audience: No.

All right. All right. Does anybody feel bad? Sick? Funny? Somebody back there? Well, if you do — if you do, for heaven's sakes at this time, this is not the time to stop. Now, just keep doing it and you'll feel better. All right.

That wall over there on your right, now put into it, you put into it a craving to know. Hear the auditing command: You put into it a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Better?

Audience: Yeah.

Yeah? All right. Good.

Now, the wall over here on your left, you put into it a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got that?

Audience: Yes.

Got that pretty good, huh?

Audience: Yes.

All right. All right.

Does that wall crave to know better this time than it did before?

Audience: Yes.

You coming up a little bit? Who's still restraining himself so that he won't get sick? I guarantee if you feel sick at your stomach, if you do the process, you'll get over it in just a very few minutes. All right.

Now, let's take a look at the front of the room. Put it in me if you want to, I don't care. You can get short-circuited just as easy as the next one.

Put a craving to know into the front of the room.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Now, are you getting just a little better at it? Huh?

Audience: Yeah.

Is it getting more real?

Audience: Yeah.

You know, actually this is asking a heck of a lot of you just because of the distance you are to the walls. You'll find that's a little strain but you're overcoming that even, I'm sure. Remember there's something solid at the other end. All right.

Let's take a look at that back wall. And let's put into that wall now a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it? Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Well, that's real good.

Now, you got a floor there?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Now, let's put into that floor a craving to know. Make sure that floor craves to know.

Audience: Okay.

Let's do it again just for good measure because you know it's right up close there. I mean, it's easy to do that one. So let's do it again. Let's get it really craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Easier to do when it's the floor?

Audience: No.

No? Oh, you mean you guys are getting sharp, huh? Well, all right. Well, all right.

Look at the ceiling.

Audience: Okay.

Got the ceiling there?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Now, let's put — into the ceiling a craving to know.

Audience: Okay, okay, all right.

Good. Is it really craving?

Male voice: Yeah.

Has it just got to?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. All right. Let's do that again with the ceiling. Only this time, let's carefully avoid doing it with any effort.

Audience: Okay. All right.

Got that? Do it lightly.

Male voice: Yes.

Did you get away with it better the second time?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. All right. That's fine. That's fine. There we went round and round. And how are we doing now? We finding this easier to do?

Audience: Yes.

Huh? Finding this much easier to do?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Some of you are wondering why I am running this process. I am running this process because it's the top process of "think."

Let's look at that wall over there on your right and you put into it a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

You got that real good?

Audience: Yeah.

Okay. Now, just for good measure let's put it into that wall again.

Audience: Okay.

How's that, huh?

Audience: Fine.

Fine.

All right. Good. Good. You did it?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Good.

Now, let's look at this wall over here on your left. Now, we're gonna do this one twice, too. So, put craving to know in that wall.

Audience: Okay.

You get it craving to know. All right. You do that?

Audience: Yeah.

Well, all right. Let's do it again. Now, you put into that wall on the left a craving to know. It really craves to know.

Audience: Okay. Got that?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's fine. That's fine.

Now, into the front of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How about you people in the back? You making it okay?

Audience: Yeah.

Remember, seminar leaders have a license to kick you, if you're not doing the process. All right. You get that real good?

Audience: Yeah. All right.

Let's do it once more. Into the front of the room let's put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Making a good job of it now?

Audience: Yeah.

Did you get it really craving to know?

Audience: Yes.

Huh? Got that real good?

Audience: Uh-huh.

All right. That's very, very good.

Now, let's look at the back of the room. Now, into the back of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay. All right.

Got that?

Audience: Yeah.

Got that real good, huh? Once more into the back of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got that?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's fine. That's fine. All right.

Now, once more, you got a floor there?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Now, you put into that floor a craving to know.

Audience: Okay. All right.

All right. You got that?

Audience: Yeah.

Huh? Very, very good. You got that real good?

Audience: Uh-huh.

Now, once more into the floor put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You're good at this, huh? Getting better at this?

Audience: Yeah.

Is anybody getting worse at it?

Audience: No.

Well, let's once more into the floor put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Did it really crave to know?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's fine.

Now, let's look at the ceiling.

Audience: Okay.

Now, into the ceiling put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that?

Audience: Fine.

Making out better?

Male voice: Sure.

All right.

Let's look at the ceiling again and put into it a craving to know. Now, let's get that — you get that ceiling craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right. How's that?

Audience: Fine.

Well, it's getting better now. How are you making out — really a lot better?

All right. That's fine.

Now, we've been around once more and have we had any casualties? Does any person still feel ill while they're doing this? Huh?

Audience: No.

Well, have you stopped doing it because you feel ill?

Audience: No.

You still doing it? Is the illness getting better or worse?

Male voice: It's getting harder to do it.

That's the boy. That's good, we're coming right up on it. This is good. Don't worry. Don't worry. You're in good hands.

All right. Into the wall on your right, you put a craving to know and make sure that you do it — that's why it's getting harder — you do it. You put a craving to know into the walls.

Audience: Okay.

That's right, isn't it? Was that good?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. Now, into that wall on your right again, you put once more a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You got that?

Audience: Yes.

Getting much smoother now, isn't it? Huh?

Female voice: Yeah.

All right.

Now, this wall on your left — now you put into it a craving to know.

Audience: Okay. All right.

All right.

You did that well, huh?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's good.

Once more into the wall on your left put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You got that real good, huh?

Audience: Yeah.

Good. Good. How you doing?

Audience: Fine.

Doing better?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Now, into the front of the room put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Doing that real good?

Audience: Yes.

Doing it better?

Audience: Yes.

Are you doing it?

Audience: Yes.

Are you doing it to the wall?

Audience: Yes.

All right. Just check these things and again into the front of the room, put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right. All right. Is that more satisfactory?

Female voice: Yes.

Okay. All right.

You see the back of the room? Now, you put into the back of the room a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got that real good?

Audience: Yes.

Oh, you're getting better at it, huh? All right. Once more, let's look at the back of the room and put a craving to know into it.

Audience: Okay.

You get it craving to know. That's good. Do it?

Audience: Okay.

Do it real good?

Audience: Yeah.

Well, that's fine.

How about — how about these sick tummies? They getting better? Does anybody feel sicker than he did?

Male voice: Yeah.

We got a couple that feel sicker, huh?

Male voice: Right.

Ah! This time — this time why, you really make sure you put it into the walls. Now, you put it into walls and it's all right. It'll go away.

Into that floor — into that floor right now, particularly you people who are sick, let's put a craving to know. Really craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Did it really crave to know?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. All right.

Now, once more — once more you put into the floor a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Did that real well?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

And into the ceiling — look at the ceiling — and into the ceiling I want you to put a craving to know.

Audience: All right.

Okay.

Get that ceiling really craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

All right.

Now, once more into the ceiling let's put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Now, how's that?

Audience: Fine.

Hm? Okay, well that isn't too bad, huh?

Audience: No.

Not too bad?

Audience: No.

Well, all right.

Now, how about — how about these people that were feeling a little bit sick over this? You feeling sicker still?

Male voice: Same.

About the same? Well don't — don't — don't renege from doing it. You do it a few more times and you'll be all right.

Now, listen — listen. This time around please — please! I don't ask you to do anything for me very often. But this time, please — please get the wall craving to know so that it is in a psychotic fit. All right.

And into the wall on your right put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Okay. Now, let's check it to see — make sure it's in a psychotic fit.

Audience: No.

Well let's — let's try it again. Into that wall on your right you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Is it in a fit?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's very, very good. That's very good. You're doing real well. And into the wall over here on your left you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Got it real good?

Audience: Yeah.

Now is it in a fit?

Audience: Yeah.

Does it really crave to know?

Audience: Yes.

Real good? Huh? How's that? All right.

Now, once more into that wall put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

This time did you do it well enough so that you felt we oughta send for the wagon? Okay. Did you do it well enough so that we should've sent for the wagon to take the wall away and pad it up? Huh? All right. That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Now, into the front of the room, I want you to put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that, huh?

Audience: That's fine.

Got that real good?

Audience: Yes.

Is it in a fit?

Audience: Yes.

All right.

Once more, then, into the front of the room you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Huh? Well, let's check it now and let's make sure it's in a fit.

Audience: Yeah.

Really craves?

Audience: Yeah.

Commit suicide and everything else if it doesn't find out.

Audience: Yeah.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Huh? All right.

Now, once more into the front of the room you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that, huh?

Audience: Fine.

How's that?

Audience: Fine.

All right. That's just fine, that's just fine. Is it in a fit?

Audience: Yes.

All right. That's good.

Now, into the back of the room — the back of the room — the back of the room — into the back of the room, you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

How's that?

Audience: Fine.

Good, good.

And once more into the back of the room, you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Is it in a fit?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's good.

Now, into the floor — into the floor you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Good. You did that?

Audience: Yeah.

All right. That's fine.

And once more into the floor, you put a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

Everybody now, you put a craving to know into that floor.

Audience: Okay.

No dogging off on me. I'll get three feet back of your head and part your hair. Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Did you do that?

Audience: Yeah.

You getting much better at it?

Audience: Yes.

Well, all right.

Now, let's look at the ceiling and you put into the ceiling a craving to know.

Audience: Okay.

You're real good at that, huh?

Audience: Yeah.

Does it crave to know better than it did when we began?

Audience: Yes.

Very much so?

Audience: Yeah.

You can do this stuff much better?

Audience: Yeah.

All right.

Now, you put again into the ceiling a craving to know.

Audience: All right.

Okay.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

Now, did you — you did this much better this last time than you did, let's say, halfway through.

Audience: Yes.

You did?

Audience: Yeah.

Now, what do you — what do you feel now?

Male voice: Boredom.

Is anybody still upset?

Female voice: No.

Somebody bored with it now?

Male voice: Yes.

What are you doing having an emotion? I told you to make the wall have an emotion. The idea of having an emotion!

Well, we'll just have to pick this up later. I'll tell you why, because I want to know if you got a floor.

Audience: Yeah!

I want to know if you've got a chair.

Audience: Yeah.

Got a floor?

Audience: Yeah.

Got a chair?

Audience: Yeah.

Got someone on your right?

Audience: Yeah.

Somebody on the left?

Audience: Yeah.

You got somebody in the audience?

Audience: Yeah.

Got anybody on the stage?

Audience: Yes.

All right.

Is there anybody in the audience?

Audience: Yes.

Let's be sure of that.

Audience: Okay.

Thank you. All right.

Now, is there anybody on the stage?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody in the audience?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody on the stage?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody in the audience?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody on the stage?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody in the audience?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody on the stage?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody in the audience?

Audience: Yes.

Good.

Is there anybody on the stage?

Audience: Yes.

You mean I'm here?

Audience: Yes.

Hey! What do you know! All right. Okay. Now, you got a floor?

Audience: Yes.

You have?

Audience: Yes.

You got a chair?

Audience: Yes.

You got a floor?

Audience: Yes.

You got a chair?

Audience: Yes.

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Well, I thought you could get up so that I could hear you. All right. All right.

It's a big mystery actually if you want to know why I ran that process on you. But I merely wanted to say goodbye to all the thinkingness processes we have ever done. Because that's the top and most effective button of them, so I just thought I would run it on you and you could see how an old-time process looked.

Got it?

Audience: Yeah.

So we ran that one just so we could say goodbye to it. You got it? Well, you think the congress has started now?

Audience: Yes!

All right.

Let's take a twenty-minute break.

Audience: Okay.