Yes?

Well, how is it going today?

Male voice: On this subject of fields, could you very briefly go into the principal purpose of getting rid of the field and the end rule desired as far as we're concerned. In other words, an absolutely clear field, or just where the person can see his mock-ups and what have you?

Audience: (various responses)

It's just so the person can see his mock-ups. There is no other significance in getting rid of a field. The reason we get rid of a field is so somebody can see his mock-ups. That's all.

Good.

Male voice: What if he can see them already?

Now, I'd like to make a few remarks, here, on the subject of fields. You're coming right up on the clearance of fields. And we can take as a question, hypothetically put, "What is a field?"

You mean against the field?

A field is that area of subjective energy which the preclear sees, and which bars his view from mental image pictures. Got that? It's really two things: It's a barrier to mental image pictures and it is a screen, subjectively viewed, which he considers himself to be surrounded with. There are a great many things you could say about fields, but the main thing that you would say about them is that they are variable. And the one law there is that sweepingly gets rid of them is you mock — have the preclear mock up a terminal of the same character as the field and shove it into the body.

Male voice: Yeah.

When he does this, he normally goes anaten. And the auditor continues to utter the auditing commands regardless of any motion or assent from the preclear. Actually, the preclear himself does not go anaten, the body goes anaten.

Or on the other side of the field?

Now, a whole session may get buried in the preclear's memory. And he's liable to tell you afterwards that he didn't do a thing. Be totally prepared for this. He did it all the way. The test is simply this: Does he now have a field after you have done this, you see? Does he now have a field?

Male voice: Anywhere.

If he still has a field, the answer to this is: "Mock up a terminal similar to the field and push it into the body." And at the end of that session, if he has gone anaten and says he didn't remember and so forth, we simply ask this one question again, "Do you have a view? What do you see?"

Skip the field. It'll blow up ...

And he says, "I see sky blue purple."

Audience: (various responses)

And you say, "All right. Here we go." And you do it again.

... if he can really see them. But I don't see how you could call it, then, a field. I think you've avoided the definition.

Now, sooner or later, you will find this field caves in.

Male voice: Well, suppose all he sees is — he closes his eyes and sees a room around him and present time environment. Or he gets away from it and finally all he sees is this field?

The oddity of a field is this: it is a dramatized not-know. It is that physical mechanism, in terms of mental image pictures, which the individual uses to prevent vision. He is mechanically not-knowing his pictures. In order to not-know his pictures, he hangs up a "poiple coitain."

Well, that would not be a field, would it?

The commonest field is a black one. The next commonest field is an invisible one. Now, when we say a black one, if you get a picture of the preclear sitting there totally surrounded by hoods of blackness, you actually have the picture. He is not sitting there — a point sitting there — surrounded by huge masses of blackness which go out to infinity. This is not the case. He may tell you this is the case, but the funny part of it is, is the blackness is quite finite in depth and seldom exceeds more than a few inches.

Audience: Mm-hm. It's been treated as such here.

Now some fields disappear in a couple of minutes. They disappear simply by calling his attention to them. That's a very light field. He's simply stuck in a black incident, you might say. You call his attention to it and away he goes.

Male voice: Yeah, it sure has.

I remember one field that cleared up in fifteen minutes, back in 1953 in London — cleared up so spectacularly that all the Instructors were hanging over this fellow as though he was about to give them all the hot dope. He told them a weird, long and involved tale, which is simply whole track — good old whole track mechanism. Seems like he'd been a navigator on a spaceship and he'd gotten himself beautifully lost, gotten off course, collided with a bunch of asteroids and blown up the ship and the passengers and himself. And when he reported back to the area and identified himself as that lost, errant navigator, as a thetan, you see, why, they (whoever "they" — this "they" that prowls around in the elsewhere — was a wonderful pronoun) — and they had clobbered him for this and had sentenced him to Earth. And since that time, why, he'd been standing there on the bridge waiting for the asteroids to hit the ship. And the moment that anybody just jiggled the case just a little bit, see — just jiggled it — why, the asteroids went right on through and the incident wound right on up. And he came down here to Earth and he came right on up to present time. And he hadn't been here for many generations — the adventures of a rocket jockey.

Second male voice: Yeah. They — we're told that — to push them in.

It's quite amusing for this much space opera to be turning up at this time. Actually, space opera is restimulated by science fiction. Or science fiction is restimulated by space opera. But we're walking, right now, into a space-opera age. And we are probably the only people that know anything about what Uncle Sammy and Uncle Khrushy face.

Push what in?

Press gang turns up, grabs somebody in the center of town, they take him aboard and they shove him into a bunk. A very small speaker up above him, surrounded by pinpoint holes, seems to attract his attention quite wonderfully. A gas or something comes out of the holes around the speaker and he goes (snore). And the voice begins, which they have on a magnetic tape, and it says, "You're a member of the ship Astrolatus. You are bound and barriered by the following rules and regulations: You may not speak to an officer. If you speak to an officer, you will kill yourself."

Male voice: The present time environment. If we look at the room — close our eyes and see the room or this wall, we're supposed to push them in.

Interesting. Guy, later on, a few generations later, finds himself kidnapped in the middle of town, taken to a ship, taken in — up into officer's country, put on a bunk; gas or hypnotic lights suddenly hit him and a voice begins to speak: "You are now an officer of the good ship Astroidus. If you speak to a member of the crew, you will kill yourself." These fantastic regulations, fantastic caste systems, fantastic barriers — all in the name of science. It's quite wonderful.

Well, that would be handling a mock-up. I'm sorry if I'm invalidating anybody. But a field is black, invisible, red, is usually an obscuring thing and is considered a field only if it obscures mock-ups: definition of field.

And the old gag of telling somebody that he has to witness something, and then running off a three-dimensional picture of some horror or another, and then threatening him with it — funny part of it is, it never happened to anybody. One of these things whereby they put the fellow in a chair and electrocute him from top and bottom at the same time — huge cones of force hit him. Well, he is told to witness this and told that he had to sign the papers to get it done. He witnesses it, he's told how this ruined somebody and then he's threatened with it happening to him.

Yes?

And then you as an auditor try to run this as an incident out of him. Of course, it has never happened to him, but he is doing everything in his power to mock up a comparable incident because he is sure that it has happened to him — these outlandish, confusing punishments. And I suppose, sooner or later, they'll start banging people from one head into another head, and we'll really have space opera.

Male voice: What about the case where the preclear . . .

Space opera always consists of a dog-down-belly-to-the-ground dementia praecox sort of scientist who is dedicated to the nth degree. The reason they dedicate a scientist is so he can't keep his information from going away. This is very handy; they don't have to pay him for it. That's what dedication means: no necessity of paying the scientist for anything he does. It's brain-bleeding.

You haven't hurt anybody. You can — you can mock up things and push them in till hell freezes over, and everybody's all the better for it.

And this dedicated scientist is so enmeshed that he is totally sure there is no such thing as a soul, a spirit or anything — that men are animals. This is the philosophy he normally goes forward on. Except he can only go so far along that line and then he'll flip and he'll go out into mysticism which is an inverse materialism — inverted materialism.

Excuse me, what is the question?

Well, along with this generally a priesthood grows up. And this is some sort of a psychiatric priesthood and this is used by the state to keep everybody in line — gorgeous. Everybody is now in line. And what could be more beautiful? We have a nation of slaves and gadgets. And the gadget rates more than the slave.

Male voice: The preclear can move on it and make a perfectly nice mock-up; he moves into his body, he's affecting the field around the body. And would you then deal with the field or would you just have him move out and carry on with the next step?

And we go along with this type of society for a while and generally, then, another priesthood will grow up which overhangs the materialistic priesthood. And that is what is meant by the they that you get out of the preclear; they're talking about one of these thetan priesthoods. And those people are guys like you and me that are trying to help somebody out, and they find it pretty tough to do. Now, that's a thetan they. You get the idea?

No, I'd tell him to mock up something that didn't cause a reaction on the meter. I would not move him out, move him in or do anything with him at all. He'd have to figure out how he could mock up and see a mock-up. Do you understand that? And if he can't do it, he's got a field.

Now, some of these "theys" are quite interesting — are quite interesting in that they're very involved — extremely involved. They get report centers and they train everybody to report to that center. They maintain insane asylums. There are insane asylums scattered all over this galaxy. They maintain this and they maintain that.

Male voice: I see, you're quite right, we can drop that. Thank you.

But you're talking about a thetan operation now. And only when that thetan operation goes sour and starts to make slaves too, do you get the total denouement of a space opera and its vanishment down to a point of, well, let us say, India ten thousand years ago. That was the end product of space opera.

You betcha.

And all of this history goes on totally below the surface and is probably much more real than "Andy Jackson stopped the Redcoats at New Orleans." I mean, it's real history. But nobody dares look at it very closely because if he became very familiar with it, it would totally blow, and that would be that. But this is a space-opera sort of thing.

Male voice: It doesn't matter whether — what happens provided he can mock up a mock-up and look at it?

Now, the only reason I'm going over this and I'm telling you that this and the magic societies — you know, there's another whole civilization type: the magical society where everything is done by levitation and houses are built by postulates, you know? And you don't get too much from that society, but you get an awful lot from a space-opera society at this time.

That's correct, if he can actually see the mock-up.

And the space-opera society that I've just described to you is the most fruitful source of fields. Most of the people you run into — by far the largest percentage of the people you run into who cannot at once mock up and see a mental image picture — have been over some roily coaster like the space-opera society I've just described to you.

Male voice: What of the automaticity of mock-ups or, you know . . . ?

Over the last five — we've been through — just been through a space-opera cycle, by the way. It's for the last — well, the last shortest cycle is about five million years. And the last five million years have had more space opera in them than anything else. Consequently, it's closer to present time than magical societies and so forth, and you're apt to get more out of it. There are more things in the environment, there are servomechanisms and automobiles and star-flight rocket-ship Oldsmobiles and that sort of thing. And they tend to restimulate the periods that are just past. And we're probably in some Johnny-come-lately, last-gasp state of space opera. We're attempting space opera without having any dolls which is one of the wilder things to do. That's sure going to pose some Scientologists some wonderful problems.

That has nothing to do with it.

The Russians assured us that Mutnik, up to the time when they slipped him the Mickey — I think that's a wonderful thing, that — newspapers calling everybody out into the streets a couple of times a day to look at a dog coffin going overhead. It's really wonderful. I mean, did you ever hear of anybody calling you down to the cemetery to look at a dog's grave? Well, I don't know why they should call you out in the street to look at a dog's coffin, but it's just one of those things. Anyway — it shows you the age.

Male voice: Okay.

And the restimulation of all of this space opera, compounded by the possession of a body, makes the ejection of an individual human being into space probably one of the most adventurous things that would ever happen. You start shooting somebody into space, and the first thing that happens to him is total loss of havingness. And, of course, the body is so dependent on havingness. It's not like a doll which you just feed it a new battery every couple of months and it's all set. You have to feed it three times a day. The body is so sold on havingness that the moment that Earth is a little small button down there, someplace, the guy simply will go stark, staring mad. That's all. See, he'll go nuts.

Yes?

The forward progress of acceleration is such that the elsewhere-factor robs him of reality. You see, he's elsewhere so quick that his reality goes boom — just about like that. He's moved too fast, you might say, and he gets unreal. Well, you compound this with the fact that probably most of their early instruments will be faulty, and their oxygen masks will probably do all right, but the first time they really test one will be a hundred thousand miles out, you know. You get the idea. The first time they find out that their valves stick at subzero is a hundred thousand miles out. This isn't a very thorough society. And you're going to have a picnic.

Male voice: Suppose you have a room slightly mixed up, that you have the room, say, and could unmock the walls, and extend the vision out for a long while, and you wouldn't have to bother with it, right?

And somebody will come back, and he'll say, "Well, there was already a couple of insane asylums on the back of the moon," and they'll — of course the psychiatrists have no choice but to put him in the nearest asylum as having gone mad. He'll have gone mad anyway, but if he reports anything that is straight dope about space opera he will probably then be pronounced mad. Why? He has varied the reality, you see? The insanity is measured as to whether or not you agree with the other fellow as to what's real, you see? And the moment you send some boys out into space and they come back, of course, they aren't reporting on anything that anybody has any reality on to the reporting center, and therefore they're told that they're nuts.

Yeah, well, a field is not a facsimile in the sense that it has form. A field doesn't have very much form. The most form you will find under this term field is, maybe, rockets passing by or occasional asteroids going flip, or something of the sort. There's some motion in it of one kind or another; there's little dots, or something like this, that appear and disappear in it. You get the idea? Now, that is a field. It is not an articulated subject. You see?

It's like back in one of the ancient Polynesian — I think the Polynesian campaign that took place in the Dark Ages of this particular country, in World War II. You'd go in — you'd go in and you'd say to somebody who was fresh out of an attorney's office in New York or fresh out of the Bureau of Ordnance down in the Navy Department, you'd say, "Well, the Japanese submarines are swarming out there like flies."

Male voice: Okay.

And he'd say, "You're nuts," you see? Well, you saw them and he didn't. And yet he has a much more positive opinion than you do.

It's not identifiable: it's a not-know.

And you say, "They're using little funny balls that float up on the surface, and they breathe through them, or they send them up to get radar or something. But if you get alongside of one of these subs and throw a grappling hook in one of these balls, why, you can't pull it up."

Male voice: Yeah.

And he says, "Oh, nonsense — pish, tush, woof," you know? "Heh! What nonsense!"

Your first reaction of a preclear when you ask him to look at a field is a very interesting one. It's always, "I don't know what I'm looking at," or, "I'm looking at nothing."

As a matter of fact, I'm talking about an actual thing. For a couple of years in World War II they thought all the ASW people were crazy because they kept reporting snorkel submarines.

Male voice: Okay. Well, suppose the preclear has a facsimile approximating present time. Or . . .

We used to say, "Well, German subs will do sixteen-and-a-half knots underwater and go down to a depth of six hundred feet." You know, we're always reporting this.

You wouldn't handle it. You'd have nothing to do with it at all. It's a facsimile. Of course, a field is a facsimile.

Huh! They were — practically sentence you to a firing squad. "What nonsense! You've probably been pinging on a wreck." That was always non sequitur. If they couldn't think of anything else to say, well, they say, "Well, it must have been a wreck or a school of fish."

Male voice: Yeah.

Well, these boys had never had their hands — really, had never had their hands on any sonar. They'd never had their hands on the business button of a rocket or the hydraulic lever of — depth charge racks, you see? They'd never listened in any other way than maybe on a phonograph record — we didn't have tapes — to the ping-pong of a Doppler effect. They knew all these things, see, but they'd never listened to them for real.

But the funny part of it is that it's a specialized kind of facsimile. And a facsimile that has form still does not prevent the person from doing this one test — this is the only test that is used: Can he mock up something and see it?

And their consistent opinion drove the morale of people who were combat officers down to a point of where I have seen a couple of them sitting there lovingly fingering a five-inch because, as they were moored against the berth, it happened to be pointing at the commandant's window.

Now, you have to be a little careful at this point and beware of this one: The fellow says, "Yes, I can mock up something." If you say at this moment, "Well, all right, then, do this and that with it," beware. You haven't asked him this question: "Can you see it?"

In other words, when we get a divergence of reality between a desk officer, or in this case, an Earth society and these space jockeys that have come back and seen all that, you see — when we get this wide divergence of opinion which will occur, you get a rather mutinous state of mind. But you're releasing them into a total freedom of action. Think of that for a moment: You're releasing them into a freedom of action. In other words, they're beyond the supervised perimeter. And if there are some planets around someplace that have air on them, you have your first space pirates.

The fellow says, "No. I get an idea that it's there. It's on the other side of this curtain," and so forth.

So the government will be screaming and saying, "There must be some way to guarantee their loyalty." So the first thing they think of is this hypnotism gag. And they find out that doesn't work, you know? And then they figure out something else, and that doesn't work and so on. They'll, in possibly — in our own generation, they will be asking us to do something desperate to guarantee the loyalty of somebody. Well, a person's loyalty is as good as he is sane.

You say, "What curtain?"

And we could work out rather easily a regimen whereby you could take somebody and let him pilot a rocket ship successfully. It'd be rather easy to do. Well, one of the first things I would do would be to send him out to all of his destinations with no ship. You get the idea? I'd make him a good exterior, and then send him to all the places he was going to go and let him look them over, you know? Get a whole map drawn up, exploration all done, the whole thing packaged, and then let the government do what it wanted to do with sending a ship, you know? To do the whole project backwards, in other words. Now, this is actually on the calendar for our immediate future.

And he says, "This big black curtain that is always hanging here."

Somebody has just compounded the felony by proposing, in committee, a Department of Science and Technology. Boy, that's one thing we don't need. We don't need a Department of Science and Technology. This is just another pork barrel. This will make a new irresponsibility, don't you see? All the services say, "Well, our science and technology is being taken care of by this new department." And everybody is being irresponsible. And you've got somebody there as secretary of science and technology, and his reassurances that it's all in good order will lull everybody to sleep until something blows them up, you know? The one thing we don't need is that thorough a governmental organization. Yet, it's in the cards right now.

Well, you ask him, "Is there any place you can put a facsimile so it isn't on the other side of this black curtain?"

There's some rocky r ads ahead and in the world of science. And most of these will center around a mental aspect. Well, just now, for the first time, a science has arisen which is — probably will prove to be much more powerful than any of the other finite sciences, don't you see? And this makes a different view and a different future history for space opera than there has usually been. Usually this sort of thing developed long after space opera had been developed, you see? They waited for the scientists to become a bunch of mystics. And then they developed something about thetans and began to handle them in some crude way.

And he'll digest that, maybe. And I've had this happen: He'll put it out to the side of this black curtain, you know? He'll say, "Yes, there is."

Well now, before they have done this, we have a better technology than they have had before which puts us somewhat in the driver's seat.

All right. Let's get this null mock-up and get the show on the road and keep it from going away. You got the idea? Otherwise you'll get the doggone case pretty involved. Got that? This is simpler than you think.

Now, the only reason I'm talking about this at all is it all has to do with fields, oddly enough. When you start stirring a fellow up with a bunch of unrealities and start slapping him with hypnotism and start upsetting him this way and that, his only constant and consistent reaction is to blank out the unwanted data. And if he cannot not-know it, he will then curtain it. Do you follow me?

Male voice: In that case, do we have a change of command on that field step because . . .

So the space officer who comes back to Earth and says, "There are mushrooms a hundred and eighty feet tall up there, and the principal provender of these two-inch-high elephants are these mushrooms," and so forth.

There is no command on a field step.

They say, "Well, the boy has flipped a lid."

Male voice: Well, the first thing you're asked is, "Close your eyes, what are you looking at?"

And everybody will say, "Well that's a bunch of bunk." He'll go around trying to prove it for a while and he'll be looked on, maybe, as an odd character. And eventually he'll have enough accumulated facsimiles that invalidated him, that he'll start blanking them. Don't you see? And you'll have a fellow with a field.

All right.

Now, this has always been a successful mechanism. The mechanism has been totally successful for millions of years. It is so successful that your preclear picks it up the moment that you ask him to look at something he doesn't want to look at. Now, that's a fantastic thing. But that's the immediate source of it. You get some randomity such as I've just described to you in space opera and the fellow pulls a curtain. He just literally drops a mental image picture called a curtain over it.

Male voice: Well, hell, unless I put something there to look at I'm not looking at anything.

Well, he generally picks it up from the backtrack, and it generally comes out of space opera. And the amount of force, blast and duration and upset in one of these space-opera incidents would make anything that could happen to anybody at this stage on Earth look pretty pale. It would be something on the order of firing a guy with a catapult mechanism at a couple of hundred thousand miles an hour, or something like that into a stone cliff, you see? You got lots of impact, you got this and that. So the amount of savageness which occurs in these incidents makes them very resistive. And so it has taken a very, very long time to solve this thing called fields and it's quite a triumph today to be able to solve one.

Now, let's get this real clear. I knew I ought to take this up today. Not because I thought there was any involvement on it; because people always get involved with fields because they're a bunch of not-know. You get the idea?

I have an announcement to make right now with regard to fields. And that is to say that the slowest-on-the-ball auditor in the HGC that we had this week — and our best auditor, but the one at the other end of the spectrum — just took somebody, with what you might call a highly resistive black field, and cleared the field up in a couple of hours of auditing. Now, that's pretty good, you know?

Now, if a person can mock something up and see it, that is all we want him to do. And that is the only condition necessary to run Keep It from Going Away and Hold It Still and all the rest of it. Don't you see? So we're merely trying to establish that condition. We're not trying to do another blessed thing.

A good auditor could always do something about one of these fields one way or the other, fooling around with them and using his imagination. A good auditor could always do this. With great care and our very, very best auditors — could crack one up if he spent enough time on it.

Male voice: Good!

But for somebody to take this technique which I've just given you and bust up one of the worst fields we've seen in a long time, in a couple of hours — the auditor not even on the ball — he's just halfway snoring through the sessions and so forth — and get away with it, was quite remarkable. Quite remarkable.

That's all. Do you understand? Therefore, the questions which you ask — the questions which you ask shouldn't — should merely establish this thing.

And you say, "Well, if the fellow wants the field up that badly, then why does he let it surrender to anything?" Well, the technique outguesses him. That's all.

This is very easy to misunderstand because fields are a not-know mechanism. And every time you try to explain them or grasp the thing, you're liable to run into a not-know. You get the idea?

Well, when you think of the amount of incident which is back on the track — its incredible nature, its total lack of agreement with anything that was going on a few years ago — it's no wonder people thought they were nuts when they saw some mental image pictures. People could actually go mad, you see? They'd say, "Well, this can't be; therefore, I'm having illusions or delusions."

Yes?

I think that is a tremendous compliment to the creative activity of the usual run-of-the-mill thetan in this society at this time — that he could create that fancifully. I don't think he had it in him. And he was obsessively creating experience which he'd actually observed.

Male voice: This point on badgering comes up here, too. Most preclears, if you ask them to make a mock-up, "Can you see it?" very simply — well, let's say many of them will say, "Yeah, okay." Whereas if you said, "Do you really see it? How clearly do you see it?" and you go on down that line, pretty soon they'll wonder whether they do see it or not . . .

I've had some of the most remarkable arguments with psychiatrists, just regard to prenatal banks. The psychiatrist, right in the asylum, every day, sees dozens of people who are in prenatal positions and behaving on prenatal behavior patterns. They're curled up in balls. They're doing this, they're doing that. Everything you could think of that you've ever seen a preclear do when he was hurled into the prenatal area, these people are doing — are doing over at Saint Elizabeth's at this very instant. There are scores and scores of patients in prenatal positions.

Well, this is covered by the Auditor's Code. Do not invalidate the preclear. It's covered by the Auditor's Code.

Out here at Walnut Lodge — which they don't — the psychiatrist doesn't think that's a funny name. By the way, out at Walnut Lodge, I don't know if you know this, but they reclassify every patient who is ordered to Walnut Lodge. Everybody who is transferred there becomes a schizophrenic because Walnut Lodge only handles schizophrenics. You try in vain to point this out to anybody on staff at Walnut Lodge — you draw a total blank. You will say, "Well, what sort of insanity does this fellow have?" — you say out at Walnut Lodge.

You can ask questions which are not invalidative, however: You say, "Where is it?"

And they'll point at somebody and they say, "Well, he's a schizophrenic."

Audience: Yeah. Yeah.

And you say, "Well, how did he get to be a schizophrenic?"

And, "You see it real plainly, don't you?" There's a positive side of it. And the fellow says, "No, I don't, as a matter of fact. As a matter of fact I just have an idea that it is there." And he'll give you the dope. You don't have to ask an invalidative type of question to establish this information.

And they'll say, "Well, he's here."

This is the touchiest part of clearing that we're on, right this minute. And you'll be very, very happy to know that it is the one touchy part of clearing. There aren't eight more. The first touchy part of clearing is letting the process get the preclear under control. When you're no longer running the process, who the hell is controlling the preclear? Not you. So he's not under control, although he was apparently doing fine on SCS. He all of a sudden doesn't act when you tell him to act, when you start into mock-ups. Don't you see? So you have to make up your mind to control a preclear directly. See? All right, that's the first hump.

And you say, "Well, where did he come from?"

The second hump is when you get up to fields, do you get all involved with this, do you start going appetite over tin cup with this? It requires judgment. It's a nice piece of judgment, too. It's a step that has to be taken with considerable care. And your whole mission in undertaking the step is just to get it so that you can run: Mock up null object and keep it from going away. See? All right.

"Well, he came over here from Saint Elizabeth's."

Okay. As far as in the body, out of the body, so what? Inside a body is usually black.

"Well, what was he at Saint Elizabeth?"

Yes?

"He was a manic-depressive."

Female voice: I thought that when the field is clear means that as soon as these — that are curtains, you might call them invisible or gray, or whatever . . .

"Well, what changed him from a manic-depressive to a schizophrenic?"

Yeah.

"Well, he was ordered here."

Female voice:. . . they disappear and the preclear starts to see things, objects or scenes, then that means it's clear — that the field is clear then.

"Well, what did that have to do with his classification?"

Mmm.

"Well, it's right here on the record, you can read it."

Female voice: But the preclear doesn't seem to be aware of what the clear field is. He doesn't know . . .

Their administration — their administration is just as wild as the insanity they handle.

Well, you're not going to direct his attention to a field, under what I've just told you. You're going to direct his attention to this fact: Can he mock up something and see it?

But these boys — these boys out there — these psychiatrists can see this. And then they tell you that it has no source in a mental image picture, and there's no such thing as a prenatal engram.

You will find preclears quite startled — more than 50 percent of them, I'm sure, will be quite startled to find out that they can actually mock up something. This will be a new adventure to them. They possibly have never done this before, never heard of it. "Oh yeah, well, this is like a dream, isn't it?" You know? "Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, I do this every once in a while. Yeah, I do this once in a while, I just happened to think. But I certainly never did it before this way. Yeah, I can put something out there and look at it. That's quite interesting." You'll run into this curiosa every now and then. And it wasn't field.

Do you know what they're asking you to believe? They're asking you to believe in nothingness as causation, you see — that the thing doesn't have any connections. They conceive it to be causeless. And if you question them carefully, they are so far gone in the field of effect that they can no longer conceive cause. If they do conceive a cause, it is a hallucination. You see, they won't conceive anything like a direct cause. They will conceive something that is an improbable cause and label that as cause. Now, that is as close as they can get to looking at cause.

Now, if you directed his attention to the field, you're liable to get into trouble. He's liable to go find a field and pull it in and . . .

And it's wonderful to have an argument with one of these fellows. He's just so far gone in the unrealities of this sort of thing that he will wog you every time. You, logically and sanely carrying forward, can't possibly conceive that the individual could be this irrational and still be prowling around, driving his own car, you know, and going back and forth to the office and so forth. And so you start to question your data because his is so far out of agreement with it. Do you see that?

Audience: Yeah. Right. That's what we've been doing.

Well, then your biggest danger in having anything to do with space opera is finding it far out of agreement, one way or the other — or anything you have to do regarding a bank — is to find it wildly out of agreement with your bank. Got it? See?

All right. Yes?

Now, you take an auditor who has a black field and has never seen a mental image picture — it's quite a testimony to such auditors they've actually been able to run engrams successfully. They actually have been able to do this quite successfully. Well, that is quite a testimony. They do it eight times as well, however, when they themselves have had one run. Therefore, probably the most terrific thing that happened in Scientology happened in '56 when I finally found out how to crack up one of these fields because it made possible, then, a subjective reality on both sides, so far as auditors were concerned, and did get straight at the mechanism. It's rather wonderful that you can crack through one of these mechanisms without any further protest from the preclear.

Female voice: If he doesn't have his body there with his eyes shut, does that show that he's got a field?

What happened to all the things he was trying to restrain? You broke up his field and he had it there to bar out things he didn't want to confront. And then you happily remedy his havingness with it. Well, what happened to his desire to restrain all these things? Did you just overwhelm him with them?

No, no. No. Nothing to do with it. The body has nothing to do with this.

No, you didn't. He found out there wasn't anything in back of it.

Female voice: Oh — nothing.

Let me give you an example. A fellow has got a steel plate out here. Now, he put up the steel plate because there was a soldier there with a bayonet during one of the- — the March revolution of 1962, in Washington. And he put up this steel shield because there was a soldier standing there with a bayonet, and he cowered down back of this steel shield. Now, there was nothing to tell him when the soldier went away. And to be absolutely safe he would have to figure that the soldier never did go away. You got that?

Yes?

A lion attacks you, you throw up a native shield against this lion, see? And how long do you hold it there? Is there still a lion back of that shield? You got the idea?

Male voice: There's a possibility, isn't there, as I understand it, that when you get onto Step 6 — 5 or 6 — that for a while you could, for instance, start not getting your mock-ups again. That you could . . .

Well now, as you have him push the material into his body he can peek on a gradient scale. You got that? And that's really all he does. He keeps pushing it in and he says, "Well, there's nothing behind this stuff," because finally he gets the idea he's out there pushing it in. And nothing bit him, so there must not be anything on the other side of the shields.

Oh, yeah.

When a fellow has done this for a tremendously long period of time — he's put up a red shield in order to prevent something from happening, or a blue shield, or he's put up a pattern of rockets of something just to screen it all away, grabbed the first facsimile he could think of, you know, bang, in order to block something out — he thereafter does not quite dare remove it.

Male voice: That doesn't mean to say you go back to fields, though, does it?

Probably the greatest shocks he's gotten in his whole career — has been just this one great shock of removal of the shield, and the lion was still there. Thetan says, "Well, I'm a brave man today," you know? Pssew. "Yaaaa!"

Hm-mm.

So don't ask him to pick up one suddenly and you're okay. Got it? Hence the gradient scale of "Create one and push it into the body."

Male voice: Thank you.

Any shield, any color, uses the same rule. You mock up a terminal similar to the screen. In other words, you've got a terminal, now. If it's a black screen, you have him mock up a black object, see, and shove it into the body. If it's a red screen, why, you have him mock up a red terminal and shove it into the body, you see? If it's an invisible screen, you have him mock up an invisible terminal and shove it into the body, you see? Although the screen is out like this, the terminal is probably some small finite mass. Got that?

You just have him plug away at it.

And this has yet to fail us. Actually, I have seen no failure along this line if it was carried on long enough — which is pretty good.

Male voice: Yeah.

But I have seen this phenomenon happen: You get rid of a black screen,you've got an invisible one; you get rid of the invisible one, you get a blue one;and you get rid of the blue one, you get a red one. You say, "When is this guygoing to get around to it?"

They fade out. They go. They disappear. Very often a wide-open case will be able to mock up a — mock up a chair eight times, and that's the end of chairs. Very curious, you know, the ninth chair just. . . Where the hell did the chair go? What's happened to this supply of chairs? Don't you see?

Well, he does eventually. Funny part of it is, you can strain at getting rid of the field so hard that you fail to notice that he has attained a point where he can mock up and see his mock-up, see? You can go right on getting too interested in shields, see — get fascinated with these shields.

Well, you just keep him going and all of a sudden you get some thin, creaky, spindly, knocked-apart sort of thing, and that's a chair. Well, that's actually the first chair he mocked up.

And you only wanted to go up here to Baltimore or something like that. (Although I don't know why anybody would ever want to go to Baltimore.) You only want to go up here to Baltimore. And you got to Baltimore okay but you didn't notice that you were doing that, and you finally wind up in New York. And you didn't notice that Baltimore was further behind you and you kept on going and you wound up in Portland, Maine. And you still keep on going, you know? And at no time do you ever look around and say, "Where is Baltimore?"

Male voice: Yeah.

Well, you could walk on like that forever, never asking the question, "Where is Baltimore?" and apparently never fix up this field proposition with a preclear. Get the idea? Because you haven't established what sort of a field you want.

Consciously.

Well, if you say, "I don't want any field at all," you're being very foolish indeed because he'll always have some sort of a field right up to the moment when he's cleared. I don't say he'll always have some blackness or he'll always have some invisibleness or something of the sort, but if you had him look around carefully, you'd find out that somewhere he's still got a backdrop. See? Somewhere. Maybe yards and yards over to the right or something of the sort.

Male voice: Yeah.

One fellow used to carry around the corner of a room all the time. It was about ten feet away from him. And every time you ask him to get rid of a mock-up, why, he'd evidently throw it over in the corner of the room. And I asked him — I asked him one time — I said, "Where are you putting these things?"

See? The rest of them, why, form was on automatic.

And he says, "Oh," he says, "over in the corner of the room," and pointed to the middle of the wall. So it was up to me, then, to ask him what corner of the room was he talking about. Well, it was his corner of the room and he always had one so he could put things in it and they wouldn't fall down. I mean, totally wonderful — thetans go around with old chains, tin cans, useless locks and anything you could think of.

Actually he mocked up all the chairs. Don't get the idea anything else. But he didn't knowingly mock up all of the chairs.

Now, that would be, actually, a consistent field — would be a corner of the room. Even though it didn't surround him or anything, he did have something in vision, don't you see? Now, he'll keep on having something in vision until you clear him. And when he's finally cleared, he can then put something in vision at his own determination. He can then put something there when he wants one. But he doesn't have one there unless he puts one there, which is quite remarkable. That he lets you get away with this and that he makes no protest is probably the most remarkable part of it, however. But he does not protest; he does not feel a tremendous loss of anything. And he feels much better at being able to create something when he wants it than having to drag it around with him all the time.

I had a preclear, one time — I'll give you — let me give you this one, just on that one subject that you just asked. The preclear — I said rather adventurously a statement of this character: I said, "Now, did you mock that up?" Meaning, "Have you performed the command?"

He has to be assured of two things when he's mocking something up, by the way. He has to be assured of the fact that he mocked it up and that he kept it from going away, held it still and made it a little more solid.

And the preclear took it the other way — that I had asked her whether she mocked it up. And she said, "Well, I'm sure that I must have, because it's there!"

You don't ever strain at the, "Did he mock it up?" That will come out in the wash sooner or later. And it's enough when he says, "Yes, I made it more solid," for you to say, "Good." Not, "Are you sure you made it more solid?" "How do you know you make it more solid?" "More solid than what?"

Oh! We were running a wide-open case. Got it? Total automatic.

The only case — the only experimental case this has been run on with any failure, has been a case that had nice mock-ups, and they finally went out into a black field, and finally the black field turned invisible, and the guy was going on downstairs at a trip-trap rate. Why was this happening?

And she says, "Well now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. That doesn't make sense. Just because it appeared, I — I have to assume that I mocked it up, but I don't know that I did. And what do you know, I don't know whether I'm mocking these things up or not." And this was just a cognition. You see that? I mean, it just fell into that category. See, I wasn't making an effort to establish this.

The auditor was badgering him: "Now, mock up an apple."

You know, there was another theoretical road to Clear. I've given you one other today: Waterloo Station, which is a theoretical road to Clear. A long freight, but it is a road. There are probably many roads, but that one is nearer than the first one there was.

The fellow says, "Mm-hm."

You know what the first road to Clear was? Just get confidence in being able to erase an engram. You get the Frankenstein effect, how it... ? And just little by little have the guy take a lock just as he came — the picture of the scenery just as he came in the door — and get him to erase it. And get a sound that he heard that same day, and get him to erase that sound. This is the way I used to work with them. I was working with them on a reverse Frankenstein effect. And they would get better and better and better. This was 1947.

The auditor says, "Now, did you mock up the apple? How do you know it was you who mocked up the apple? Well, if you didn't mock it up, where did it come from? Have you ever wondered where they came from? Well, how do you know that you would mock it up in the first place?" You know? And then, "Well, keep it from going away. Now, did you keep it from going away? No, did you — you — did you keep it from going away? Are you sure there's no automatic mechanism around there keeping it from going away too?"

But look, we didn't know tremendous quantities of technology, don't you see? That was a vast panorama, believe me, the total unknowns. And so to know what you were doing right was almost impossible.

Interesting thing — the auditor who was doing this, by the way, on an experimental run had, himself, no reality on any mental image pictures. And what he was doing was being so curious at the idea that somebody could get a mental image picture that he himself couldn't believe the mechanism of mental image pictures. He couldn't believe they existed. And he was dramatizing this disbelief during his auditing. And he turned a guy off from good mock-ups to blaaah. And somebody else has to pick up the preclear, now, and put him back into good mock-ups again and take him on upstairs.

Here's an old gag about teaching in metaphysics. There was a professor; he was a very, very good professor and he knew his metaphysics cold. And he had a young student, and the young student would come in every morning to get his lessons in metaphysics. Well, the professor had a cat. And the first thing that the professor would do is — he walked in the room, the study, you see, to begin the lessons — is tie the cat to the bedpost. You see? So the cat wouldn't roam around and disturb people. And then he'd sit down and he'd give the lessons.

Now, it is true that you'll occasionally have somebody with total automatic mock-ups who will run up to a black field, who will run to an invisible field, to a red field, to a clear field and be able to put up mock-ups again and see them. See, you very often take a wide-open case and he goes through a black band — no reason he should do that at all.

Well, the years went on, and the young neophyte was now the old doctor. You see, he had now graduated into that status. And he starts to teach a young neophyte on the subject of metaphysics. So he says, "Now," he says, "begins the first lesson. The first thing we do is tie a cat to the bedpost."

You'll find cases around that have such solid facsimiles, that when you ask them to take the facsimile anyplace they will groan. They will wonder where they're going to get the block and tackle. You know, "Oh, my goodness!"

Male voice: Do you believe that if you ran a Step V of SOP 5 long enough, it would result in clearing?

"Move that facsimile," you said, "from the back of the room to the center of the room."

Very probably. There are probably several routes of this character. We have this other route — is simply, copy, copy, copy, copy, copy. Remember the old Route 1 step? Well, copy, copy, copy, copy, copy would naturally eventually take over the automaticity of taking facsimiles. So it's a theoretical road to Clear. Copy, copy, copy, copy, copy. You get the idea?

"Well, I don't know how I could do that."

Yes?

Actually work on it as an engineering problem.

Male voice: How do you classify it with Frankenstein when the Frankenstein doesn't deify the maker but somebody else?

Density of the thing was so great, how could anybody ever get in and move that facsimile or do anything with it? Totally baffled at the idea of how anybody could ever do anything about it. Well now, that's more solid on a total inversion. Don't you see?

Oh yeah. That would be an interesting situation. It very often does. Very often does. I know — there's many a poet who has gotten very, very deep into the world of poetry, and gone almost mad on the subject. And all of his Frankensteins deified somebody else. Most of the love poems you've got, deified some dame — I mean some lady.

Now, when you ask this preclear to make it more solid, you get a total apathy. You can ask this preclear to mock something up and keep it from going away and the person can win gradually. But what happens to this solidity?

Female voice: Let's see, what happened with the first mest Clears, the Dianetic Clears?

The mock-ups get thinner and thinner, and worse and worse, and more and more transparent, and they finally disappear entirely and they're gone. And you're liable to have an invisible field or a black field show up about this time. And you keep on going. And then the person finally gets to that state of having terribly thin, ephemeral mock-ups, you see — gets back to having very thin ones. And then these thin ones get better and better and better. And he finally goes through and on his own determinism is able to have thoroughly solid mock-ups. Get that?

What happened? What'd he do?

That's an interesting datum for an auditor to have because it often makes him wonder, before he himself is sure of it and cleared, that, whether — what kind his are.

Female voice: What's happened to them now? I mean, are they still as they were, or are they . . .

Well, the only way you could take your finger off your number is too great an insistence, too much challengingness, which breaks down ARC.

My notebook on all this was stolen in the first Foundation. And all their names and addresses and all the pertinent data in there must have been very, very valuable to somebody else. Because they lifted it straight out of the files. And I don't have more than about a two-year record on these people. And the records stopped, actually, in about '50. And at that time these people were in action and still in motion, and still doing beautifully. But because they didn't have a total grip on everything there was to know . . .

I don't know anything, really, more about fields (they are a fascinating phenomenon — how a fellow simply blinds himself to everything), except for this: is I believe that blindness itself is a field. Bad eyesight is a field of sorts. They are all the same effort. They are the effort to restrain oneself from seeing. They have that common denominator.

Female voice: Mm-hm.

So you take somebody that has very bad eyes, you would rather presume that they were below the field (you know, they were below a black field), or they had a great deal of trouble with mock-ups or something of this sort, or they simply had bad eyes. You know, bad eyes don't have to be caused by a field.

... I imagine some of them fell from grace, eventually, you see — they possibly went on making this. But as far as action was concerned, to give you an idea, one of them was a lieutenant — first lieutenant — a psychiatrist, of all things. And when heard of two-and-a-half years later, he was a lieutenant colonel at a base. Now, god knows what this fellow had done! I was utterly flabbergasted; I could not figure this out. They just don't jump people that fast in psychiatric promotions, and that sort of thing, unless they have done something fantastically brilliant, or have got something on the commanding general in charge of... (laughter) But this guy had gone up like a cockeyed rocket. And I only heard from him obliquely.

If you come around and shoot somebody in the eyes or something like this and throw some acid in his face — something like that — you'll find out he doesn't see so good. You have to bring him up to a point of where he can mock up some eyeballs.

Some fellow wandered into the Foundation one day and said, "Well, I knew one of your former patients," he says. And he gave me the fellow's name and I recognized the fellow, and he says . . .

But as far as the psycho-physical aspect is concerned — the psycho-physical aspect of sight, it is restrained by these fields — not-know. And the common denominator of all fields is not-know.

I said, "Well, where is he now?"

And if all else failed, you'd run Waterloo Station on the pc — if all else failed. This is just an invitation to you not to flop on — when you're having this run on you, you see? Don't flop because there's another remedy after Waterloo Stations — only I'm not going to mention it in public.

And he says, "Well, he's out at Kingman."

By the way, we've never had to turn to Waterloo Station: "Tell me something you could not-know about that girl," "Tell me something you could not-know about that picture," "Tell me something — visible picture — tell me something you could not-know about that tree," some sort of thing like this. In other words, just get the fellow to keep saying not-know — he could not-know.

And I said, "Kingman? What's out at Kingman?"

And all of a sudden you get this interesting phenomena of physical articles disappearing to his view. Tree disappears. The tree is there for you. The tree is there for somebody down the street. But the tree is no longer there for him.

"Oh," he said, "they got a hospital or something out there." And he said, "I was out at Kingman and the fellow said yes, he knew all about you, and told me that I ought to go find you. And here I am."

Now, I've never made this test: Can he walk through the place where the tree is not? Somebody has got to make that test for me someday. I've never had time to make it. You see that? It's highly possible that this person can walk through that space because, boy, does that tree disappear when it disappears!

And I said, "Well, how is he doing?"

"What could you not-know about that girl?"

"Oh, he's doing fine now; he's in charge of the medical depot or something there."

"Her hat."

And I said, "What?" and "What — it's a very small post?"

Well, after he's run it for a while and become very good at it, the pc himself is usually the first one to be alert to this and startled by it. And he all of a sudden says, "Well I could not-know her hat — huh!"

"No," he says, "no, no."

And the auditor says, "What's the matter?"

I said, "Well . . ."

"Well, her hat disappeared."

He says, "He's a lieutenant colonel."

Well, the auditor at this time should not say, "Are you sure it was her hat that disappeared? You didn't blink, did you? You're not just making this up, are you?"

I don't know, maybe everybody had his wires crossed. I mean, maybe he was still a first lieutenant. But it is very unusual for something like this to happen. Unless he simply just mocked himself up a commission — I mean . . .

I had an auditor go on for two hours one time, questioning the preclear as to what exactly had happened. He just stopped running the process and he was so flabbergasted at a building disappearing, lock, stock and barrel and not coming back, that he didn't continue the process. It upset him. He could still see it and the preclear said he couldn't see it, see?

You see, it... Now, a lot of the material that came back about these people was just that random — was just that random.

This same thing about reality that I'm telling you about — about ASW and the Operations Officer, the rocket jockey who's made an exploration, and the high-command science department of the "I-Will-Arise States of America" — whatever organization is here at the time that happens. You get this wide disagreement, don't you see — this terrific disagreement. And that is basically a disagreement: One man sees a building, the other one doesn't see a building. You see that?

But you must understand that all these people were a different breed of cat than we have now. They were simply people that were grabbed by the scrap of the neck, you know, and they were just sat down. And they didn't know anything about it. They thought I was a swami or something. They, by the way, did not know my name. I had an office there near La Brea and Sunset Boulevard and Hollywood Boulevard, there, in Hollywood. And I had a beautiful rose garden out in back of the thing and I had an inch-and-a-half-thick oriental rug on the floor and there were a couple of candles burning before the joss house. You know? That's a fact. It was a very, very lovely office. There was no turban, but that was about the only omission.

But if he goes on with this, these automaticities of disappearance (snap, snap) when he says so, turn out to be automaticities (snap). You see, he (snap) triggered an automatic mechanism. He can eventually put this under his own control. (snap) And when he puts this under his own control, then we would say we would have something very, very unusual there. That route, all by itself, is a route to Clear. It puts a person in total possession of being able to vanish anything.

And these people would simply turn up: it was just word of mouth. That was all, there was no advertising or anything. And I was running it because I had gotten a hell of a slug of back pay which paid for this research, you see? I simply rented the place and unpacked my bags and dragged out all the stuff I'd had in the Orient, see? That's the only furnishings. And away we went. And, boy, I had anything from movie stars to winos, see? And a fantastic parade of people. And I just sat down with malice aforethought, on a whole bunch of these people, and just started clearing them up.

Now, you know what stands between a person and becoming Clear, don't you? A theoretical question here: What stands between a person's present state and a cleared state? What stands in between these two things? What's the principal thing that stands in between these two things?

They were there because there was something dreadfully wrong in their lives, you see? They did not know the word Dianetics. They didn't know "Hubbard." They didn't know what I was doing. They had no clue. And they didn't know where they'd gotten to afterwards: There was no state called. You get the idea? There was nothing — nothing described what had happened for them. They couldn't have talked about it, for words.

You would say offhand — the biggest barrier to getting Clear, you would say offhand, would be no game. Well, he might have some fear of that, but that isn't the barrier. You might say, well, he'd run out of problems. No, that isn't the barrier.

When we were running the Los Angeles Foundation, a girl turned up down there, and she took a look, and she said, "So you're Hubbard! But you're you!" She had the staff down there on its ear for a little while. They couldn't cope with her. Here was everybody starving for Clears and, "Where are the Clears?" and, "Let's take a look at a Clear." And here one actually did walk in, talk to me, talk to them and so forth, never said a word about it, and walked out and disappeared.

It's the Frankenstein effect. The Frankenstein effect — that's a technical term in Scientology. A fellow, too many times, has mocked up something horrible, which he has then found himself unable to unmock. By some trick somebody else has fixed it up so he couldn't unmock it.

We had several like this, that they'd suddenly walk in and say, "Well, I knew you were going someplace! I knew you were going someplace."

Let's say he made a Frankenstein, and it started on down the street killing little babies. Kills a few, that's all right with him, but it's getting too much of a good thing. And furthermore, it's getting near his house. So he says, "Oh, dreadful monster" — whatever incantation he should use at that time — "Oh, dreadful monster — unmock." And the monster goes on monstering most monstrously. And the fellow makes the postulate — the thetan makes a postulate; he says, "I will never mock up such a thing again. Until I learn that I can unmock things, I'd better not mock them up."

You'd say, "How are you getting along?"

So he begins to study how to unmock things. Naturally, he isn't trying to unmock his own creations; he'll be trying to unmock anything in sight. He doesn't wish to improve his mock-ups until he is sure that he can unmock them. You got that? Unless he improves his mock-ups up to a total solidity, he will not stop obsessively mocking them up. In other words, he will go on mocking them up because he's got mocking them up on automatic because he himself won't do it anymore. You get the idea?

"Well, that's all fine. I'm general manager now and everything's all right. But I knew you'd get someplace," and so forth. "But what's all this stuff in this book?"

So they have to appear magically. He must not take the responsibility for their occurrence anymore. Thus you get a mental image picture and a facsimile. That's because of the Frankenstein effect. He's liable to mock up something that he is unable to unmock, you see? And it isn't really that he wants a game or anything else. The fellow is actually scared.

They were quite mystified. They had no background education at all. My attitude toward it was so casual, you see, so terribly casual, that they didn't know they were doing anything unusual. Therefore it made a good stable test. You see, there was no propaganda. I'd purposely connected nothing with this at all.

You'll occasionally have somebody say to you, "Well, I will mock them up well when I'm sure that I can unmock them afterwards." You probably have had somebody say that to you.

Now, to accomplish the same feat, years and years later, is one of the more fantastic things. You see? I mean, this is actually — actually, the attainment of this state of Clear and the attainment of Scientology in its goals and technology, and all that sort of thing, and its organization, is probably one of the more fantastic stories that's happened around the last — I don't know how long. But it is pretty fantastic.

But that's the crux of the situation. A fellow will willingly mock up anything that he feels he can unmock. And that is the biggest barrier between an uncleared state and a cleared state. A man will create anything that he feels he can still uncreate.

Practically all of the early tests, then, were made on people who remained in total ignorance of any unusualness concerning it, you see. It was a very carefully conducted test — series. They weren't ever told anything was going to happen.

The reason why people don't go around creating bodies is very interesting: There is a law against murder. There is every kind of a law you could think of to keep them from unmocking bodies.

I've had a — I've had a mystic suddenly sit up in the auditing chair and say, " I don't know what you're doing, but I have studied for many, many years in the hope of attaining the same state as I have achieved here in a few hours. What is this all about?" You see, big mystery.

Now, they become the total effect of bodies simply because they cannot vanquish bodies. You get that? They cannot make bodies disappear. Therefore they hate to start them out.

I never told them a thing. I just dropped the curtain on the whole thing.

But they start them out, and what happens? The body, then, overwhelms them from that — there on because they cannot unmock the body at any time. Do you see that?

Well now, that — that whole — that whole series of people, and so forth, as I say, their names and addresses and everything else were looted in the first Foundation. Boy, don't think I didn't tear that place up and down! I remember a couple of the people on staff said, "I didn't know you could get mad!" You know? "I didn't know you could get mad!" You know? The whole idea of me was, I was supposed to be a swami anyhow, or something of the sort, and I was not supposed to have any emotions except serenity. Well, I'll clue you: you bait a redhead by taking his most vital records, and you're liable to lose your head.

Now, we have other myths. You're very familiar with that one, but are you familiar with this one? We have other myths concerning this particular physical universe — about ummocking it. There are many such myths. But the principal one which is adrift right now is that it was mocked up by one man and is sacred. See, one being mocked it up, and it is sacred. And you mustn't unmock any part of it because every part of it is sacred. Sooner or later, physicists and so forth, run into this postulate with a dull crash and go stark, staring mad.

Female voice: Was that in Wichita when this happened?

I think that Jeans did. He's one example. Finally he says it must have all stemmed from God. You see this? God must have made it all.

No. No. No. The first Foundation was at 42 Aberdeen Road, Elizabeth, New Jersey. Second Foundation was at 276 Morris Avenue — first Foundation, main headquarters, 276 Morris Avenue, Elizabeth, New Jersey. The additional work of that particular activity was at 211 West Douglas, Wichita, Kansas. And the first Scientology Organization was down on North Central — 1406 I think it was — North Central, Phoenix, Arizona. And that was 1405 and 6, we had at one time. And that was the first Scientology Organization. That was Scientology. We had moved out of the fixation of the mind.

Oh, there's nothing wrong with this. And I'm not even casting aspersions upon the Supreme Being. But you'll notice that people wince at the idea of blasphemy. What is this blasphemy? It's merely a statement, "The physical universe has overwhelmed you, son." You get the idea? It is sacred.

It's very interesting, you know, that we moved out of the spirit, into the field of the mind and back into the field of the spirit. Do you realize that? There's been a completed circle, here.

Now, I've got just time here in this particular period to give you a little story concerning this descent of overwhelmingness, and which it connects with the Frankenstein effect. And that is, once upon a time there was a hunter and he went out hunting and he was paid by the government to go out and hunt bears. And the bears were running all over the place killing off chickens and steers and having a good time. And this fellow kept shooting at bears and shooting at bears. But it was very discouraging because bears very seldom fell down and played dead for him. Government paid him, but he just couldn't get rid of any bears and he couldn't shoot any bears and he couldn't kill any bears and he couldn't kill any bears. And you know a grizzly bear will take some — use, sometimes, seven bullets before he drops dead. It's rather discouraging shooting at a grizzly. (I took to roping them myself. Anyway . . . that's a fact, by the way.)

Yes?

And so after a while, what did he do? What did he do? He sat down and he stopped hunting bears. Although he was still being paid for bears, he tapered off in his enthusiasm for hunting bears to a point where he didn't hunt bears anymore. You got it? Hm?

Second female voice: You said something around '53 that impressed me very much to the effect that it's perfectly all right to go around picking up engrams now, now that we know about them. It seems to me . . .

Well, now, the bears never had done anything to him, personally. See, there's no overt act-motivator sequence going on here at all. It's not — they're talking about an entirely different phenomenon. I'm talking about the Frankenstein effect. Overt act — motivator phenomenon can be seen in this, but the one I'm talking about is much senior to it. All right.

Oh yeah.

So here he is sitting there drawing his pay and he'll sit there for quite a while. He won't hunt any bears. Bears tearing up everything, you know, and chewing up all the steers and knocking chickens to pieces and knocking apart herds and just having a fine time. It doesn't matter how active they are. He won't do anything about it.

Second female voice:. . . you ought to tell people that or something. I mean, it seems to me that a lot of people, they know about engrams and they're real worried they're going to pick up another.

One day, you turn up. You've got a gun. You've got a bazooka or something. You're going to kill yourself some bears, you tell him. "I'm tired of this," you'll say, "I want to kill myself some bears."

Well, that's because they're not familiar with what they got. You get somebody who's run a few engrams, he stops wincing.

He'll say, "No, I don't know that I would. I wouldn't be too anxious to do that if I were you." The guy will dramatize his inability to kill bears (you get that?) by restraining you from killing bears. He'll say, "After all, I'm the government officer of this area. Here's my badge. And I frown on people irresponsibly going out — actually, you might get killed doing this," you know? But the truth of the matter is, he is dramatizing this restraint upon killing bears. You got that? All right.

Well, we've attacked this problem from so many different ways that it was an oddity to have on pure knowingness, unarticulated, a clearing process which then when it began to be articulated and questioned, its anatomy looked over, became totally articulate — but awfully articulate but not informative. And then move up into a field of articulation that was somewhat articulated. And then get up, finally, to a point where it's almost totally articulated and successful. You see? And to have a mechanical procedure which would free a thetan: Now, that's the oddity you ought to be looking at.

A few days go by — a few years, perhaps — it doesn't matter. You come back in the area again and you'll find him talking to the natives and the Indians and so forth on the subject of bears this wise: "Bears are stimulating to have around. They keep you on your toes. Now, you have to be much better at breeding stock if bears are around all the time killing off the excess stock. And actually, it's the survival of the fittest and Darwin, Darwin, Darwin, Darwin, Darwin. And it's a good thing for the bears to kill off the weaker stock."

Male voice: Mm.

You can argue with him in vain and say they always pick the choicest morsel. But Darwin never listened to this argument either.

Well, I could probably turn around and invent a half a dozen other ways to make a Clear, but, believe me, this one has certainly been narrowed down. As a matter of fact, the staff has been subjected to several bulletins over the past many, many weeks on their staff auditing: various ways of clearing. And I was sorting them on down, and I was being fair with them and issuing them what I knew as I knew it, you see? Just, I was boiling down all information from all sources and research that had been done, you see, in the past many years. And it finally, just all of a sudden, narrowed down and just fixed on the exact processes you were doing.

But they kill off the weakest and therefore it is a very, very good thing to have bears around. He'll be telling people this.

For instance, CCH 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, so forth, it's the most wonderful series of processes ever invented. The only trouble is their operating climate goes up and down with the sadness and the happiness and so forth, of the auditor.

Bears just keep on killing everything in sight, see? No change, as far as the bears are concerned. But his attitude toward these bears is changing.

Male voice: Yeah.

Well, you come back a year or two later and you find out he's writing books about bears, very, very carefully researching their habits. And there's rather the flavor to these books that it's all cute, you know? What a good father a bear is, you know? By this time he's pretty far gone.

So, therefore, it's not a stable series. We had to go clear back into '56 to get this SCS and Connectedness that you're now running. It was run for months in London and in the US here, and out in the field and so forth, with spectacular results everywhere. We never did any — get anything but gain with this process. We have to assume, then, that it's something an auditor can run. We also assume this: that it'll kill an auditor at first, running SCS, but that he will do it. See? It's something he will do.

You come back a few years later and you find out that he's now telling his kids bear stories. "There was the papa bear, the mama bear and the baby bear," you know, "and porridge." And he's telling the natives around and about the place that they should get down and worship bears. They should build shrines to bears. You got that?

Most horrible thing, to watch some of the people on staff. We grab somebody on staff that hasn't been up to this and we start putting him through his paces to make him fit to be a staff auditor, you know; and, my god, he almost kills himself running this SCS. He doesn't realize why he's getting sick and staggering and so forth. He's just running SCS. He's controlling a body other than his own. Total invasion of privacy.

Audience: Mm-hm.

And, all of a sudden, why, he gets in beautiful shape. You know, running SCS and Connectedness is probably better for the auditor than the preclear, therapeutically. Quite remarkable. But it's the best — they're the best control processes there are.

That bears are sacred.

You know this Keep It from Going Away, Hold It Still, Make It More Solid? I got those factors isolated over in London a long time ago, but didn't have two or three other things. One was a definition. Where were we going? A definition of the goal. And the funny fact that you had to have a definition, an absolute definition, and approach it partway in order to achieve mest Clear. That's a principle all by itself that was established, you see?

And the very funny part of it is, I have just told you the absolute truth. To the Indians of the early plains, the grizzly bear was sacred. They worshiped him. To the Polynesians, the shark, the one thing they cannot overcome, is sacred.

And there are a number of these odds and ends which have been isolated and established here, which have made this a fact. And you possibly now are, maybe, getting some tiny, little dawning realization that you are actually into something that's beefy. You know, that there's beef behind what you're doing. But that's nothing compared to what it'll be.

And wherever you look, the one thing they couldn't overcome has become sacred to them. And it tells you at once that this created thing was, then, not uncreatable — not even that the fellow had to create it, but it was an uncreatable thing.

I've snuck up here with an H-bomb, that's for sure, in Scientology. It's going forward very casually and I've suddenly started announcing clearing projects and "Come In and Get Cleared," and that sort of thing. And there hasn't been very much hoopla about it, but as a matter of fact if any part of this had arrived in 1952 it just would have been the damnedest thing that would ever happen then, see? We're doing something on a very businesslike basis now, which is about as spectacular as you can get. I don't think you could get much more spectacular than what we're doing right this minute.

A thing that could not be destroyed will go that cycle. Now, let's look at the cycle very quickly again because it's quite important to you. In understanding politics, in understanding the conflict between the United States and the Russian Bear, in understanding a preclear and his mock-ups and so forth, you will find this cycle present.

I'm not even trying to oversell you. I'm not giving any big pitch to you about this. You'll find out. You'll find out here in the next three or four weeks.

The guy, after a while, decides he can't knock them off. He tries physically to knock them off. When he cannot knock them off physically, he skids right on down the line to restraining you from knock he stops knocking them off; he restrains you from knocking them off. He starts to say how it's a good thing that somebody fired Sputnik. You get the idea?

Male voice: Do you have any worked up — suppose somebody should accidentally get Clear at the end of thirty hours. They've got a lot more auditing coming, then what happens?

And then he will go down to the point of investigating the habitat and so forth. And he'll finally get down to a point of worshiping. Do you follow me? Now, that is the cycle. He runs right on downscale.

Then we'll go for OT.

Let's look at those steps again. The thing is created. He tries to destroy it. He cannot destroy it so he just sits quietly. You know, he doesn't make overt actions against it.

Female voice: Oh, swell.

Your next motion, right on down the line from that is a very simple motion: His attitude toward it has become slightly to protect it. He's the sort of fellow who runs game preserves and that sort of thing. You get the idea? But he'll restrain you from doing anything to it, you see?

Audience: Good. We will?

And the next step immediately below that line is, he will start an investi. He will begin to tell people around him how stimulating it is or how good it is or all the good things it is to have the Frankenstein monster present. There's where psychology is now with regard — well, they're below that — to the mental image picture. But there are a lot of them — when they think of the mental image picture, they say, "Be glad you're neurotic," when they think of neurosis and so forth. You get the point? This thing has overwhelmped us and so we must be happy about it, and it's stimulating and it's a good thing.

Mm-hm.

Now, below that point is the fellow does a deification. He directs the worship of this thing.

Male voice: Same way, huh?

By the way, just below that point — there is a point below that. You could say the hunter looked all around. There are bears killing steers. There are bears — three days ago killed his wife. Bears killed four campers that moved into the area. And bears customarily knock off all Indian babies. And you say, "Why in the name of God — you're drawing your pay — why don't you do something about these bears?"

Mm-hm.

And he looks at you and he says, "What bears?"

Audience: Just keep on going.

And so you get your various types of fields and reaction to them.

Male voice: Same process, just keep going.

Thank you.

It's the same process, with this additional one: Now I think we'd better tackle a familiarity with the remaining three universes. I think when we finally get out there we'll find that we are doing that. See? If there's just no point anymore in running a subjective — your 5, 6, 7 processes — this would be no point at all, we have achieved an ultimate in those — why, then, we would go around and start running them on this universe, and run them on bodies out in the street.

But, we're into pure research when we go above that point. You know, we have not researched above that point, on purpose; I was perfectly happy to consolidate this gain before we went for broke.

Okay. I've held you overtime, now.

Thank you very much.