Its name may have been Smith for a long time. Now this is simply theory, unchecked, but it could account for this very interesting manifestation of a similarity of physiology from generation to generation in one family, but marked differences of personality. Because your protoplasm lines, evolutionary line, is entered at random by theta bodies. Very few theta bodies go on being Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith; they go Smith, Jones, Bersawisky - anything. Well, you see how that would operate.

Another thing is dreams. This makes dreams quite comprehensible. A dream could be occasioned in several ways. One of the ways it could be occasioned is by an aesthetic production by one of the entities - just a straight aesthetic production. Another way that it could be occasioned is by an entity reliving or reexperiencing some incident in its past. And that’s a - been a long past. And it could be another entity suddenly awake and picking the data bank of a dramatizing entity. See, this entity B over here is in this incident. And all of a sudden, although the preclear is mostly asleep, your incident, then, is picked up telepathically. And what you record onto the state of beingness which you are at the time - which, by the way, is the only thing that’s going awake and asleep - the being which you are or the entity which you are at the time goes awake and asleep and the others just are more or less asleep anyhow. And what you have there, then, is this entity which is asleep - going to sleep, leaving the other entities quite free to express themselves one way or another, unmonitored inside the body. And they will actually astral walk in sleep, they’ll go off other places, they’ll wander around and so on. They do that in the daytime, anyhow, too. And you get this “cross-telepathy,” so on.

Your electronics people, that is to say, the native MEST universe people (God forgive us!) has the idea that an imagination is only possible - has an imagination which is only capable of fitting together the component parts of what the individual already knows and has seen and experienced. Uh-huh.

It so happens when an individual receives a pain, or which is to say, he's got effort faced with counter-effort, he will give attention to that spot. This is a mechanism the body operates on. When you are hurt, you give your attention to what is hurting you. If you fail to do this, you won't survive as a physical body. The body won't survive, and this is nonsurvival.

This is what an electronics computer would work like. Theta is quite aesthetic and it is capable of tailor-making something out of whole cloth. But you take an entity or a theta being which has been told, by actual count, eight quadrillion, six hundred and eighty-two million, nine hundred and fifty-four billion, eight hundred and sixty- seven million, three hundred and twenty-one thousand, four hundred and twenty-two and a half times, by almost that many mothers, “You mustn’t use your imagination!” And the fellow becomes convinced after a while that it’s only safe to (quote) “imagine” what he has been told he could imagine.

So, there is what is known as a threshold of pain. This translates into the degree of attention which is attracted to the body. Pain becomes unbearable. The moment of unbearableness of pain is when all of one's attention goes into the effort to hold it back - pain is unbearable at that point.

Theta beingness can soar on imagination to unbelievable heights of new construction, because that’s what theta does.

After that point, one keeps his attention there but surrenders to it. So there's actually a precise point of effort-counter-effort where one distracts all of his attention to that point.

Theta does not experience. Experience is something native in the MEST universe - sort of nasty stuff that people said you had to have. But you don’t have to have it; you can extrapolate any experience in any direction, but practically no person at the state that the world is in and the race is in at the moment does this kind of an operation. They just don ‘t operate this way. They don’t imagine, that’s all. Imagination is practically dead.The theta being and its partner are the imaginers, and they’re in such bad states that there isn’t much you can do about it - as witness most of the popular magazine stories today. They’re all down in the apathy band.

And you'll find out that any sharp or severe counter-effort which a person has received in the past has invited his attention to that spot. In other words, his effort to do something about this counter-effort has gone to that spot. Therefore, in facsimiles you find that the attention assigned by the facsimile is toward the exact point of the counter-effort, and the action is toward arresting the counter-effort.

Now, something else you might like to know about this. There are several things you might like to know about this that have turned up from one time or another. And this is going to come up here in the rest of this, but I want to comment on it this place, and then comment on it in what is the next lecture, because it’s something you will find very interesting.

Therefore, you actually have to distract the person's attention from the counter-effort in order to do something about the facsimile. The counter-effort is not going to come in any further. It's simply not going to come in any further as long as the preclear's attention remains there.

Evidently, and I won’t say this certainly, emotion is installed. It is an installed thing; its MEST universe installed - what you call emotion. Boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief and apathy are carefully installed; they are nothing else but installed! And boy, that’s very important to you because you can knock out the whole emotional bank by auditing on the theta being side. (audience laughter)

Now, almost anyone in the normal band is engaged in holding back quite a few counter-efforts. All you have to do to convince a person of this is to say, "Now let's feel alive in your foot. Now let's feel alive in the other foot. Now let's feel alive in the right ear. Now let's feel alive in the left ear." And all of a sudden, bop! He - you will have gotten his attention off of some old facsimile, some counter-effort, that he has experienced in the past. And when you do, it will come in on him a little bit more.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.] [The pc sounds female]

Well, of course, you want this counter-effort to exhaust, and it's never going to exhaust as long as the individual has his attention centered on it. Of course!

Ok let’s take a look at the track.

Now, the concentration of attention on counter-effort is the main mechanism of estimating what to do with effort. And when it gets up to the degree of pain - heavy counter-effort - attention becomes fixed.

LRH: How old are you, natively? (pause) What did you think of? PC: Ages.

If you've ever watched anybody being subjected to pain, you'll have - see that they fixed their attention on the point of impact of the pain and then successively, immediately after that, failed to keep their attention there, and their attention began to wander. And it wandered too much. They just went all over the place. Their body writhes and so forth - their attention goes all over the place.

LRH: Ages. Is it worse than ages?

Well, these things, conditions, exist in facsimiles. So in some facsimiles the pain is so intense and the counter-effort has come in so far that a person's entire and complete attention is wandering. It's all over already. And what you're going to try to do to resolve that counter-effort is get him to fix his attention on the counter-effort itself. And when you can fix his attention on it, then something will happen to the counter-effort and it will change.

PC: Immeasurable, by present-day standards.

But when the person's attention in the facsimile is riveted on the counter-effort, you've got to get his attention off the counter-effort in order to get the counter-effort to work out.

LRH: Immeasurable. Pretty long, then. How about a trillion years? PC: Possibly longer than that.

Now, therefore, as an auditor you have to either try to attract your preclear's attention to where the counter-effort is, or get his attention off of where the counter-effort is. If he's very low on the Tone Scale, it will be a matter of trying to attract enough attention to the point of the counter-effort that he can do something about it - that you can do something about it and drive it out, exhaust it and get the effort and counter-effort out of the facsimile.

LRH: Trillions? Way up there. Millions? What did you think of? PC: Three or four trillion.

But if he's up the Tone Scale, his own effort is more and more fixed - his attention is more and more fixed in that facsimile on the counter-effort.

LRH: Three or four trillions. You three or four trillion years old? Well, we’ll take that as an answer because there shouldn’t be very much charge on it - the person is.

If you want to run an experiment on this, just follow it out on the basis of "Let's feel your attention in your left foot. Let's feel your attention in your right foot. Let's feel your attention in your right hand. Let's feel your attention in your left hand." And first thing you know, the individual will have a counter-effort come through on him.

Were you initially just one? Mm-hm? Which one is that now? PC: Me? Possibly.

The counter-effort will happen in two ways: If he's low on the Tone Scale, at the moment you put the attention on his left hand, if the counter-effort is actually running through his left hand, when his attention goes on the left hand, he will find the counter-effort there. And he'll suddenly experience a pain in his left hand. He, for the first time, is experiencing this counter-effort which has been going through him for a long, long time in the facsimile. On other people, you start shifting their . attention around and suddenly the counter-effort will come through.

LRH: Me. Where is it resident? PC: Within me.

Well, by fixing and unfixing the person's attention on various parts of the body, by working them back and forth, back and forth, and around and around, getting their attention off and on to the part that is being affected, you will be able to exhaust the effort and counter-effort out of the facsimile and render that facsimile null and void. You can also run emotional curves until the facsimile is null and void, because it's emotion that is actually causing this person to hold on to it. Okay.

LRH: All through you? Okay, that’s fine.

Now I want to give another demonstration here.

Now, we’ll just plot this. And what I’m showing you here is how to plot a track, not the plot of a track. You get the difference? This is how to plot a track.

LRH: Do you have any counter-efforts hitting you? Right now?

[question from audience - unintelligible]

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. NOW, here we have-let’s take it up here [marking on black board] and let’s take it - inception. And here we have one being, and we’re going out on a time line here, from there to present time according to the machine, of three to four trillion years. Now, let’s find out what’s happened in those three or four trillion years.

LRH: Face?

Take a look here at the E-Meter. Did this - what did you think of? A lot of things happened? What did you think of?

PC: No.

PC: Well, I was thinking about some ancient buildings.

Commentator: Drop of one full point.

LRH: Some ancient buildings. Mm-hm. These in the theta universe or the MEST universe. PC: In the MEST universe.

LRH: Chest?

LRH: Yeah, well, that’s ... Ah, between lives? PC: (laugh)

PC: No. LRH: Knees?

LRH: MEST universe between lives? PC: Possibly.

PC: No.

LRH: Or before the between-lives cycle?

LRH: Feet?

Before the between-lives cycle. Is that where you lived before ... Is that before earth? Is that on earth7

PC: No. Back up a little bit. Gluteus maximus.

PC: No!

Commentator: Needle continues to drop.

LRH: No? All right, the machine drops; says no. Where was it? In this system? In this planetary system?

LRH: The gluteus maximus.

PC: Um-very, very far away. LRH: Very far away. This galaxy? PC: No.

PC: Penicillin shot. (laugh)

LRH: Another island galaxy?

LRH: Oh, you got a penicillin shot.

PC: Well, I get the impression of a very, very bright star.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: A very bright star, maybe another galaxy. A long way off, huh? At least a long way off. How long ago was this? Order of magnitude?

LRH: On one side of the gluteus maximus?

PC: Oh, couple of million years ago, possibly. LRH: Two million years ago? Something like that? PC: No, longer than that.

PC: On the right half - the right half.

LRH: Three million?

LRH: On the right half. Put your attention on the left half.

PC: Eight.

PC: Put my attention on the left half.

LRH: Eight million? Eight million? Two million? Three? Four? Between three and four? What are you thinking of?

LRH: Put your attention on the left half.

PC: I’m just watching that.

PC: That's a little difficult to do.

LRH: You’re not thinking.

LRH: Well, let's put your attention now on the top of your head.

PC: (laughter) It said eight, possibly more.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Oh, you’re looking at this needle to check it?

LRH: Let's put your attention on your right foot.

PC: Well, is it - does it - okay, maybe it’s best I don’t look.

Commentator: Needle is now rising back to the original position. (pause) Needle continues to rise.

LRH: She’s guessing against the needle now. Well, that’s all right; you can do that. It doesn’t invalidate the needle any. just makes it a little bit slower to answer.

LRH: Left foot.

Was it eight million years ago? Two? Three? Four? Five? Five million years ago? Okay, that’s good enough. What’s a million years?

Commentator: It's still rising.

NOW, right down here, we’re going to mark in “present time.” Now we’re going to go back here eight million years. I mean - what was that?

LRH: You gotten a somatic in that puncture yet?

PC: Five.

PC: A somatic in the puncture, yeah.

LRH: Five million.

LRH: Yeah. You're getting a somatic in the puncture?

Ah, what’s five million years. Female voice: Five million.

PC: Yeah, when I take my attention off these extremities, yes.

LRH: Well, what’s five million? Okay, five million years ago, there’s something on the track there. Ancient buildings. Did these blow up?

Commentator: Needle wavering; begins to drop.

They blew up. Was that a whole civilization blowing up? PC: I think ...

LRH: Yeah. You get a somatic in the puncture, okay.

LRH: Is it? Whole civilization blow up? PC: I just get ...

PC: Yeah, in the Puncture. Yeah.

LRH: Whole thing blew up! What were the buildings like? Very pretty.? PC: No.

LRH: That's right.

LRH: Looked like Angkor Vat, that right? PC: Mm-hm!

[to audience] You can see by that needle there, that this somatic's wearing out. His tone's coming up.

LRH: just about, okay. All right. Now ... PC: Lots of spirals.

[to pc] Okay, get your attention in your throat.

LRH: Yeah, that’s right. Okay. Now let’s take another look at - and by the way, I want to do this rapidly for you and I’m throwing in another variable here on you; I’m actually going to read by nothing but the meter. But you can spend hours doing this, and so I’m going to pick it up much more rapidly, if it’s all right with you, okay? just know what I’m doing here.

PC: Throat. That's the place where the penicillin was given for - throat infection.

All right, were you yourself in that society? (pause) Were you a slave? PC: No.

LRH: Well, get your attention in your throat. All right. Get your attention in your left shoulder. Right shoulder. Right hand.

LRH: No. You were an important person? Mm-hm? That was a high point on your track, perhaps? No.

Commentator: Very, very small area of the tone scale.

It isn’t a charged point either, is it? Yeah, a little bit. What happened there to you that was bad? PC: Did something I shouldn’t do.

LRH: Left hand.

LRH: Oh, big overt act?

Commentator: Just a slight fluctuation of tone.

PC: No, just killed everybody! (audience laughter) LRH: Well, well, well, well.

LRH: [to audience] You note here, you can give these fairly rapidly one right after the other, for an excellent reason is, the attention will just flick on the shift and go into the member named and won't stay there very long.

PC: (laugh) No!

Commentator: Tone arm tending to rise.

LRH: Was it a dull afternoon or something? (audience laughter) It was a dull afternoon! Was there any more cause for it than that?

LRH: It'll go right straight back. The second he's aware of the fact that a pain is coming in at the area you're trying to work a counter-effort out of, soon as you get the - preclear becomes aware of it, he transfers his attention back to that immediately. What you're trying to do is distract him off the area - off the area enough to let the counter-effort come all the way through and wear it out. Pretty simple.

PC: (laugh) No.

[to pc] All right, now I'm going to go through the nerve spots.

LRH: That’s right, that’s the way we used to be. Happy people. (audience laughter) Well, that’s an overt act, huh?

Commentator: Needle dropped on that statement.

PC: I - I did something; I made an experiment. LRH: Made an experiment.

LRH: All right, let's get the center of the forehead - some feeling of center of the forehead now.

PC: (laugh) And the whole place blew up.

PC: Little somatic there...

LRH: The whole place blew up. Well-well, that’s one less civilization ... PC: That’s what my curiosity got.

LRH: Little somatic there.

LRH: Now, get a good, clear recall, get the realest moment in that. What’s the realest moment in it to you?

PC: ... when I turned on the awareness full there.

PC: I pushed something.

LRH: All right. Do you know where the vagus nerve is - right in the middle of your rib cage, below the solar plexus?

LRH: All right, is that good and real to you? Is there another moment there in that civilization that’s quite real to you? Any part of that cycle, any part of that particular civilization? Got something there that’s really nice and real?

PC: Solar plexus, uh-huh.

PC: A very tall man.

LRH: All right. Get your attention in your solar plexus. Under your right armpit. Under your left armpit.

LRH: A very tall man. Yea-yea! Is he real to you? Just want to pick up the reality level on it. How’s your communication with this very tall man? Is he antipathetic to you? He like you?

PC: It's warm under the pits.

PC: No.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: He didn’t like you. Oh! He didn’t like you. Was that the trouble? PC: Oh, no. No, I - I did - did something I shouldn’t have done.

LRH: All right. Get your attention on the nerve cord that goes down the right side of your neck. Left side of your neck. The right side of your neck. Left side of your neck. Spine - attention on the twelve nerves of the spine. Let's get the lower area of the spine now. Attention on the middle area of the spine.

LRH: You did something you shouldn’t have done. All right. PC: Yes, I was fooling around in something I shouldn’t have ... LRH: He told you so.

PC: Hm...

PC: Yes, he did!

LRH: That really came through, didn't it?

LRH: Was this man related to you? PC: No. No, he’s the - the head of it. LRH: Oh, he ruled the place.

PC: ... sitting uncomfortably.

PC: No, he wasn’t the ruler. He - he was in charge of whatever I was doing; it’s some sort of laboratorial work.

LRH: Huh?

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: I was sitting uncomfortably. I didn't know it till I did that.

PC: And uh ...

LRH: Yeah. All right, upper spine. Center of your brain. All right, inside the knee.

LRH: Have you liked chemistry since? PC: Oh, no!

PC: Which knee?

LRH: Simple explanations for these things. PC: I flunked it every time.

LRH: The nerve on the inside of the right knee. Nerve on the inside of the left knee. The left thigh. Nerves in the second joints of your fingers. Nerves in your toes.

LRH: You see what it takes to get - educate one theta being? Does a theta being need education? PC: No.

Commentator: Slight drop and then a full rise.

LRH: How does it feel to be educated? Good? PC: Well, of course.

LRH: Nerves in your right big toe. (pause) You still getting that somatic?

LRH: It feels good to be educated? PC: Not necessarily educated.

PC: Oh, the penicillin?

LRH: How about the process of getting educated? Is that good? PC: No.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: That’s right, no good. Okay. Well, we’ve got an incident here, this is a minor overt act. (audience laughter)

PC: Well, now that you bring my attention to it, yes.

Minor overt act on the - she probably considered that on the fourth dynamic. Would you say it was the fourth?

LRH: Ah, we've got it down to a dispersed point now.

PC: Pretty definitely.

PC: But it's not so strong.

LRH: Okay. How have you felt about the fourth since? Been very defensive? PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. Move your attention from your head down to the shot area - head to the shot area. (pause) Tips of your fingers to the shot area. Just keep your attention shifting from the tips of your fingers to the shot area.

LRH: Mm-hm. Make any sense to you suddenly? PC: Very much so.

PC: Makes the somatic stronger.

LRH: It does? Good. Well, we’re trying to build track, not to make you happier. (laugh)

LRH: Sure. Soles of your feet to the shot area (pause) Bottom of your spine up to the brain and down to the shot area. Well, what happened there? Sudden charge?

Okay, let’s get on with this. That remark killed off a little bit of sympathy, didn’t it? Killed off a little bit of rapport with you, didn’t it?

Commentator: Needle took a full-point drop.

No? No, that’s fine. That’s fine. All right (having reestablished it), we’ll get another matter now. Have you ever been put together with some other souls? Some other beings?

PC: No, I happened to think of something, that when you said from the soles of the feet to the shot area, I did not go through the nervous system of the legs.

PC: Yes.

LRH: But...

LRH: Yeah. When? When is the first time you picked up ... PC: Well, I did a damned fool thing.

PC: I just shot it from the soles of the feet via the shortest ...

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was curious.

PC: ... path in a straight line to the shot area.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. How is the somatic?

PC: I don’t get any visio on this at all, Ron. LRH: You don’t?

PC: Oh, it's not bad.

PC: But just the feeling. I was very curious about something and - and I - I cut my nose off to spite my face.

LRH: Is it less now?

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago was this? PC: Oh, ages ago. Long, long time ago. LRH: Uh-huh, what did you do? Volunteer? PC: No, somebody told me so ...

PC: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. And you did something.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Get the effort you had, at the time you were shot, to kick the shot back out again - all through the nervous system, the effort you had. From the extremities of the nervous system, push that shot right back out again.

PC: ... that I better watch out, but I did it anyway. LRH: And it was curious ...

Commentator: Very slight fluctuation in the needle, now rising very gradually.

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH: Get it again. (pause) Again.

LRH: Curiosity? It was

Commentator: Slight drop and more rise.

PC: I wanted to find out what would happen.

LRH: Getting your effort. Again. Extremities down and bop that shot out. (pause) All right. Now get your effort to hold on to the shot.

LRH: Trying to find out, huh? Well, is this after the civilization blew up? PC: Oh, yes! A long time after that.

PC: That's the one that seems to be impeding me.

LRH: A long time after this blew up. Mm-hm. What did you think of? Got a nice drop here.

LRH: That's right. Now get your effort to hold on to that shot.

PC: Well ...

Commentator: Needle has dropped a full point and a half.

LRH: Before the civilization blew up? PC: No.

LRH: To have it - your effort to have it.

LRH: After?

Commentator: Now rising. (pause) Slight drop, rising again.

PC: Seems to me it was after.

LRH: Get your: effort to have it again. Get your stomach's effort to have it.

LRH: After? After it blew up? Before it blew up? Which? What are you getting confused on this?

PC: That wasn't easy.

PC: After. After.

LRH: Mm, boy.

LRH: I wonder if this was the MEST universe? Yeah, MEST universe. What did you think of? Was it - you thought of after?

Commentator: Full point and a half drop, now rising.

PC: I thought of after. After this deal blew up because I knew more before it - I mean, I knew more when it blew up than I did when this happened.

LRH: Get your stomach's effort to have it. (pause) Get your back's effort to have it.

LRH: Is there a big - a big impact in that blowup? PC: You mean physically?

Commentator: Continuing to rise.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Now get the postulate you made that you had to have it.

PC: Thetawise?

PC: Ha-ha.

LRH: No, physically.

Commentator: Needle dropped full point and a half.

PC: Well, physically - heck, it got - I was dead.

PC: Well, it had something to do with this gimmick I've been working on that penicillin is a food, not a drug. Remember I talked to you about it?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, this might be, then. Is there sort of a jam around this incident? I mean, is there a sort of a grouper? Or is this grouper when you got curious and joined up with some other souls? Is this what’s the grouper?

LRH: So you had to take some.

PC: That may be it.

PC: I was trying to prove something.

LRH: Is that the grouper? Mm-hm. Have you regretted that very much? Well, it’s not terribly bad. That’s after this blowup? Okay. How many years afterwards? Halfway to present time?

LRH: Yeah. Did you turn on the sore throat to prove it?

PC: Oh, no.

PC: No. No, no that was ...

LRH: Two thousand years ago?

LRH: When's the first time you agreed to have a sore throat?

PC: No, it’s longer than that, much longer than that. LRH: Thirty-five thousand?

PC: Directly after the wisdom tooth was extracted. Somewhere about then.

PC: It’s closer to about a million and a half years ago.

LRH: You agreed to have that, huh?

LRH: Million and a half years ago. Okay. Million and a half years ago? PC: (laugh)

PC: Wisdom tooth extraction?

LRH: Yeah, that’s close enough. What’s a million and a half? PC: It’s a million-maybe two.

LRH: Uh-huh.

LRH: That’s practically present time.

PC: Yes.

PC: Two - it’s two. Now it’s two; it’s going up now - look. (audience laughter)

LRH: Mm-hm. When did you first desire to have a sore throat in your life - this life?

LRH: Two million.

PC: I'm trying to track this one down. It's a little hard here. I keep running into my mother with a streptococcus infection.

PC: Okay. It’s way up now. What do you ... LRH: Huh?

LRH: Did she do it to you?

PC: What was that?

PC: I get a flash of "yes," but I don't know.

LRH: Oh, it’s just - you just got some charge on this. Now, how many souls ... Did you get put together with some other souls?

LRH: Did she give you sympathy for it?

PC: Couple of hundred of them. LRH: Couple of hundred of them?

PC: For my sore throat?

PC: But they’re not all there now. I mean, I don’t have them all with me now. LRH: Oh, they’re not all there now.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: But at the time ...

PC: For my sore throat ...

LRH: What was the circumstances surrounding this? just tell me rapidly. You needn’t be coy about it, people here can understand.

Commentator: Needle now rising - drop, slight drop.

PC: Well, I - I - the - the concepts are not clear. I mean, they don’t come as fast as I like them to; there’s a lot of occlusion here. Apparently we got all stuck together because we didn’t want that to happen again.

PC: Oh, the tonsillectomy, she gave me sympathy then.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Rise in tone.

PC: When this explosion occurred.

LRH: Mm-hm. Now let's get a time you gave some sympathy. Let's get the feeling of sympathy for somebody with a sore throat.

LRH: Mm-hm. Didn’t want that to happen again.

PC: Well, that would be for my mother.

PC: No. And we figured if we stuck together, I wouldn’t make any more experiments.

LRH: All right. Let's get the feeling of sympathy. (pause) Get it again. (pause) And again. (pause) And again. (pause) All right, let's pick up the first time in this life you ever gave anybody sympathy and scan all the times you gave somebody sympathy right straight on up to the present time. Get the first one. Tell me when you're there.

LRH: That’s the - kind of the way it goes. This is a late joiner. Were you operating on a compulsion because of earlier incidents joining you up? Other things? What did you think of?

PC: I got the first one.

PC: No.

LRH: All right. From there to present time, begin scanning sympathy. (snap)

LRH: No? All right. Are there earlier incidents where you’re joined up with others? PC: No.

Commentator: Between these questions the needle has been fluctuating approximately one goint on the scale. As the preclear scans through, the needle fluctuates. Now rising, now falling, but in a one-point variation on the scale.

LRH: No earlier incidents? Hah! What did you think of? PC: Well, whether it was so or not.

PC: It keeps reverting back to the sympathy for self.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: No. I don’t ...

PC: Not much sympathy for others.

LRH: Okay. All right, let me go off on this track. Is there an incident there where emotions are installed in you?

LRH: Mm-hm. Who used to tell you all you did was feel sorry for yourself?

PC: (yawn)

PC: My mother.

LRH: Can you pick that up?

LRH: Yeah. Who did you tell it to?

PC: Well, I’m thinking now of - of a slimy place. LRH: A slimy place?

PC: Me.

PC: With a lot of big animals in it. LRH: Oh, a swamp?

LRH: Who else did you tell it to? Who have you criticized to this degree?

PC: Looks like a prehistoric scene. LRH: What’s this? Earth?

PC: Oh, that they felt sympathy for themselves?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this the somatic soul, earth? PC: Hm.

PC: Oh, preclears, you know.

LRH: Somatic entity, earth? PC: Possibly.

LRH: Oh. All right. Let's scan this line. Let's pick up the first time you ever told anybody they were just sorry for themselves and feeling sympathy for themselves.

LRH: Is it earth?

PC: I never told them, but, you know, the thought was there.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Well, get the overt thought.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: The thought, that's...

PC: Yes. Uhm ...

LRH: Get the overt thought. Get a first overt thought.

LRH: Nothing much on this ...

PC: Okay. All right.

PC: There’s brontosaurus and dinosaurs and oh ... LRH: Is this a million-million years ago7

LRH: Now, scan all such thoughts forward to present time. (snap)

PC: Uh ...

PC: (pause) Okay.

LRH: What are we on here now, the somatic line? Mm-hm. Thought so. Let’s get on back on the theta line, huh? Now, did the theta being ever get joined to anybody else? (pause) What did you think of?

LRH: Are you on an emotional balance right now? Are you being very carefully balanced emotionally?

PC: When this explosion took place ... LRH: Yeah.

PC: No.

PC: ... that’s when I said we all joined up together so I wouldn’t make any ... LRH: Yeah. All right.

Commentator: Needle is dropping one-half point.

PC: ... I would be controlled. LRH: Okay. You consented to it?

LRH: What would happen if you changed emotion?

PC: Really.

PC: I changed emotion?

LRH: Where were you standing when you consented to it?

LRH: Yes. What would happen if you changed to another emotion?

PC: I wasn’t standing anyplace; I was floating around in the air. LRH: Okay. And what ...

PC: Changed to a different emotion?

PC: We had a big confab. LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yes.

PC: And they said, “Well, she’s got to be toned down a little bit. She’s - she’s too curious.” LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: Nothing. I might shift centers, control centers.

PC: “These things mustn’t happen anymore.” LRH: Mm-hm. And you agreed to it?

LRH: Well, shift them.

PC: Well, if I blew up a whole lot of people, who wouldn’t?

PC: I wouldn't know which way to go.

LRH: Why? Is there deep regret on this? Is that why you agreed to it? PC: Well, I - I don’t like to kill people.

LRH: Are you on the right side?

LRH: Why not?

PC: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

PC: Well, you’re not supposed to. LRH: Who said so?

LRH: Is the right side mad at the left side?

PC: They did.

Commentator: Slight drop.

LRH: Yeah, who’s “they”?

PC: Conflict, there might be, yeah.

PC: Well, that’s why I’m here in the first place.

LRH: How about shifting to the left side?

LRH: Oh! That’s why you’re here in the first place? On earth in the first place? PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Shift to the left side.

LRH: Mm-hm. This is a later incident, though? PC: No. No, no.

LRH: Shift. (pause) This left side been awake lately?

LRH: No?

PC: No.

PC: No, it tie - ties in with all the rest of them. LRH: Oh!

LRH: Is this left side elsewhere?

PC: With the original one: the reason that I was so curious. LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Very slight variation in the needle at this point.

PC: See, and I had to go find out.

PC: I've got a feeling it might be.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: This left side have another organism it's taking care of?

PC: I wanted to know what was - what was going on. LRH: Okay. All right. Now, present time.

PC: Yeah, might be. I don't know.

[to audience] We’ve got this problem here; it’s a relatively simple problem. Here’s a track chart. This track chart is demanding an incident to be run. This incident, of course, is probably that incident. Now, so what you get here: you’re getting a small machine reaction. She said “eight” once and we got a reaction on it, and I can believe the machine, so it was eight.

LRH: Might be, yeah. How about shifting center?

All right. Now, this incident, in other words, is overt on four, and it’s all the further we’re going to get with this track, that’s all. There’d be no sense in wasting any more time on it till we just blow this thing.

PC: Shifting to the center. No.

Now actually, you could probably blow it, more or less, by Strightwire and realization. Person thinks it over for a while - blows it. Could do. Very possibly you’d have to be audited, and the regret taken off of the thing. And then you’d find other incidents showing up here on the track as we went on up. Okay?

LRH: What turns on?

[to pc] Okay?

PC: Oh, there's a head somatic there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You have a head somatic there?

LRH: All right. All right. Oh no. Oh no (laugh)

PC: Yeah, on the - right in the center. See, it goes right down the face. You know, center of the face ...

[to audience] Okay, there’s one - there’s one pc as part of the track. Let’s take a clean slate here. Take a nice clean slate. [lots of noise]

LRH: Mm-hm.

[to pc] Thank you very much. PC: You’re welcome.

PC: ... the nose, the place where that pituitary and pineal and so forth is.

LRH: And also a clean pencil.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, let's catch the bap now right in the middle of the chest. The bap in the chest.

[to next pc] And how old are you, Maurie? You got it. How old was that? [New pc - male]

Commentator: Half a point drop.

PC: Four, I got.

PC: I get - i get it in the stomach first.

LRH: Four what? Is this just the present life age flash of one being? Four million? PC: I think trillion.

All right. Get it in the stomach. You got it?

LRH: Trillion? Yeah, great. Now, were you one being four trillion years ago? PC: No.

PC: Sort of, sort of. Sort of.

LRH: Two beings?

LRH: All right. How does the top of your head feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

PC: Yes.

PC: Oh, that's - it's - it's pain - a somatic there right now.

LRH: Okay. Two beings. All right. And these two beings were - did they - were they joined by force or something? Were they joined ...

LRH: All right. How do your knees feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

PC: I get a mixed reaction on that.

PC: They shake.

LRH: Uh-huh. Would you rather they’d never been joined? PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let's get that. How do your feet feel at the moment you're getting it in the stomach?

LRH: Mm-hm. Why did they join up? You thought of it - what was it?

PC: They are sweaty, hot, burning.

PC: Um - thought they could do something more in combination than they could singly.

LRH: Okay. How do your hands feel at the moment you get it in the stomach ?

LRH: Mm-hm. That’s right. And did each one have the same goals or they have different goals?

Commentator: Four-point rise, then a drop.

PC: Different.

PC: Sweaty, nervous and twitching.

LRH: Different goals. Are these goals in conflict with each other - any degree? PC: No.

Commentator: Now dropping.

LRH: To what universe did these goals apply? PC: Theta.

LRH: All right. How's the middle of your back feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

LRH: Theta universe. Do they fit with the MEST universe? PC: I get a “yes.”

Commentator: On this question, point - four-point drop.

LRH: Mm-hm. Have they had to be retailored to fit with the MEST universe in any way, or do they fit smoothly?

PC: It curved in.

PC: Smoothly.

LRH: [to audience] Any of you with a cough out there, you might as well do this, too.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Are you accomplishing them? PC: A real weak “yes” on that.

[to pc] Curved in?

LRH: Mm-hm. Far away sort of a thing? Mm-hm. Well, can they just step into full beingness and pervade all of you, and go on and do everything they can do? Is there anything blocking them from doing this?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, I think I have another being here that is saying, “No, you can’t do this,” and “No, you haven’t done it,” and so forth.

LRH: Is it wearing out on the stomach? Or is it getting sharper?

LRH: Mm-hm. How long ago did you acquire that being? That entity? How long ago did you acquire that entity?

PC: It's wearing out some ...

PC: I get “four million.”

LRH: Or are you letting it do anything?

LRH: About four million years ago? A very contradictory entity? PC: Yeah.

PC: I'm directing attention to the areas you name.

LRH: Very contradictory. About four million years ago? Mm-hm. (pause) Oh, added by somebody, huh? Who added it?

LRH: Okay. What's happening to the stomach somatic?

[to audience] Seeing this characteristic bop-bop-bop - short bops. PC: Get “hypnosis.

PC: It seems less.

LRH: Added by hypnosis. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Seems less?

LRH: Pushed in on you by hypnosis. Were there any others added to you at the same time? PC: Nope.

PC: Somewhat less.

Nope. just one, huh? Well, what do you know? Four million years ago. Okay. Four million - one added entity. Is it stuck at the time it was added?

LRH: Good. Good. All right, let's get it right here on these two neck cords at the back of the neck. How do they feel at the moment you get it in the stomach?

PC: Yes.

Commentator: Needle has settled down and varying only slightly, approximately at one quarter of a point.

LRH: Stuck at the time it was added, huh? Why, did it - was told to stay there or something? Was it under orders to join you? Or were you put under orders to have it joined?

LRH: They move in some direction?

PC: I think it was ordered to join me.

PC: I don't seem to be able to pick those up. Wait a minute, wai - wai - wai ... There's a lot of confusing head pain, that is not localized.

LRH: Ordered to join you. That’s right. Okay. And it’s been obeying those orders ever since. Did you consent to have it?

LRH: Was the head shot first?

PC: Yep.

PC: Got a flash of "yes."

LRH: Yep. Why? Why did you consent to have it? You got it - what is it? PC: For some reason or other I thought it would improve me.

LRH: Is this Facsimile One?

LRH: Did it?

PC: Yep, I should guess. Seems like it's the onlr thing it could be.

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm. Are you on a postulate that you mustn't feel it?

LRH: No. Well, can you jettison it?

PC: Yeah, in connection with the stage, so forth and so on.

PC: It’s not going to like it, but I can do it.

Commentator: Five-point drop.

LRH: It’s not going to like it, huh? Do you have to consult its convenience rather than your own?

PC: You see, all these somatics will turn on when you get on the stage. Stomach, whap; knees, bang. So they teach you tricks in the theater to ...

PC: Uh - I say “no,” it says “yes.”

LRH: Is that by exhibiting yourself? Or appearing in public, or talking to the public?

LRH: All right. How do you get rid of it? Can you audit it away, or do you just blow it? It wants to stay?

PC: Talking to the public. Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Talking to the public is very bad, isn't it? Public assembly - mustn't do that.

LRH: It wants to stay.

Commentator: One point - point-and-a-quarter of drop.

PC: I think I’ve still got some acceptance of it, too. LRH: You think so. What’s your main acceptance? PC: “I’ll die if I get rid of it.”

PC: Well, you learn tricks in the theater to handle this, you see.

LRH: Who said so? Somebody say so? Yeah, somebody said so. Who said so? The hypnotist? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. You got these tricks working?

LRH: Is that part of the sequence? PC: Yes.

Commentator: Half a point drop.

LRH: And then does it say so since? PC: Mm-hm. And I agreed to it then.

PC: I tried to - not to have them working for the sake of this interview.

LRH: Mm-hm. You agreed to be hypnotized, too? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Uh-huh. Does this interrupt your processing to any degree?

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can you handle that? PC: Yes.

PC: There's one working right now. You see that light right there?

LRH: Okay. And by the way, just for designation, what’s the more or less geographical location of this entity we’re just now talking about?

LRH: Yeah.

(pause) Head?

PC: Well, that's a spotlight. You can use the zones of concentration tricks on that. But ...

PC: No, solar plexus.

LRH: Sure. All right. Let's concentrate on the spotlight. What happened to the stomach somatic?

PC: It goes away.

PC: There’s one in the solar plexus and there’s one on each side a little below it. LRH: Ah, three entities in the solar plexus. Okay - in the solar plexus area.

LRH: Immediately! Good. Concentrate on the stomach. (pause)

PC: Yeah.

Now I'll show you a little trick about facsimiles. Tell you, facsimiles have no finite size. Facsimiles are not as big as you are or as small as you are or twice as big as you are or anything of the sort. You can shift them at will. You can actually be any part of any facsimile. You can be a point of concentration in any part of any facsimile. Let's ...

LRH: Fine. Are two of these somatic? PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah. Yeah.

LRH: Well, what do you know, you got two somatic entities. By the way, somatic entities quite often split. Okay, and this other one is just an additive soul. Well ...

LRH: ... let's take a time when you have a tooth - well, you can actually move over and - let's have a facsimile of a toothache or something. You could actually move over 100 percent into the middle of that tooth ...

And by the way, is that soul quite sane? PC: Huh-uh. [No.]

PC: And get the full pain. Yeah, I'ue done that.

LRH: That’s right. By the way, they get into that area and it’s a terrible area, because the perceptions aren’t close to it and they’re under compulsion to have perceptions and they’re under compulsion not to use their own perceptions and a lot of other odds and ends. So they get quite psycho in the area. And then their fear installation - Fac One and so forth - hits them right on the button, bam! just like that. Fac One hit you right on the button there with that solar plexus thing?

LRH: ... and be the ache.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Isn’t bothering you any! (audience laughter) Okay. Now, what do we find earlier than that? Is there another universe before the MEST universe?

LRH: Or you could even go this far: you could even move into one cell of the tooth ...

PC: Yes.

PC: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can do that.

LRH: Are there two universes before the MEST universe? What did you think of?

LRH: ... and get anything that was on that cell and be all of you in the one cell. Very simple, very simple. And as a matter of fact, a method here - it's very interesting. I'm going to show you something that you may find very fascinating. Can you pretend that your skull, your actual skull, is out on - about a yard or two - well, let's say exactly five feet out from you to the right, to the left, back of you and in front of you and above you, so that you're inhabiting the middle of your skull?

PC: Hm-I get confusion; my first reaction was “no,” and then I got a “yes.”

PC: Yeah, sure. I can do that.

LRH: Well, tell me, one of these beings - a one of these entities - it wasn’t back there with you. Is that right?

LRH: All right. And you've got this skull out there at this distance and your head is now ten feet wide and you're in the middle of it.

PC: Hm. Yeah. LRH: All right. PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: A half-point of fluctuation now and persistent twitching as he asks.

LRH: That straightened him out? Okay, let’s ask the one - other one now. Are there two universes ahead of NEST universe, or one? This universe, [marking on blackboard] one universe, two, and here’s the MEST universe. What would you call this second universe? Would you call that your home universe? Did you have anything to do with its creation?

LRH: All right. What gland are you? (snaps)

PC: Yeah. Yes.

PC: Pineal. (laughs)

LRH: What’s the matter, you got charge on that? Hm? PC: Well, I was ...

LRH: Okay. Now, let's now receive the full impact of everything hitting the pineal at the same time in Facsimile One.

LRH: Charge on it, huh?

Commentator: Two-point drop.

PC: Some idea about perhaps dimensions; I don’t know what word I should use, but just dimensions ...

PC: With this extended skull I have here?

LRH: Okay, good.

LRH: Yes, with the extended skull.

PC: ... concerning that universe. LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Wait a minute. Let me get - it takes a second to get that concept again.

PC: Has more dimensions than we’re accustomed to. LRH: Oh, I see. Four? Eight?

LRH: Yeah, all right, let's get the concept.

PC: Three and infinity.

PC: There we go. (pause) There's some blockage to - to doing this, to - to feeling that full impact on the pineal up there. I guess it's ...

LRH: Yeah, tiree and infinity. A three-and-infinity universe. Good.

LRH: All right, Now, let's be just the front couple of cells there - the front cell on the pineal - the one that receives the frontal impact in the middle of all this. Now, all of you be the front cell there, of the pineal that receives the frontal impact on the pineal ...

That’s characteristic of a thought universe. Okay. Did you help create that universe? PC: I get a “yes.”

PC: Okay.

LRH: What happened to it? Is it still there? PC: Yes.

LRH: ... with your skull that much bigger.

LRH: MEST universe - did you come into the MEST universe voluntarily? PC: I think so.

PC: Okay. Front cell of the pineal, right?

LRH: What did you think of next after that? PC: My solar plexus.

LRH: Yeah, let's get that full impact on the front cell of the pineal.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you voluntarily move from universe two into the MEST universe? PC: Uh ...

PC: (pause) Well, when I try to do that, I get - seem to be getting somatics toward the back of the head rather than the front.

LRH: The MEST universe ...

LRH: Yes, isn't that strange?

PC: There’s a reluctance of some kind.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah, you’ve got a reluctance to talk about this, haven’t you? You’re protecting some information about it? You’re protecting some information about it?

LRH: Okay.

PC: There’s fear on it - some kind.

Commentator: The needle then reached its highest point of session, has now dropped back down two points.

LRH: Yeah. Do you dare tell? Do you dare know? Are you holding information from somebody on it?

LRH: All right. Let's be the back cell of the pineal now, with your skull actually ...

PC: Yes.

Commentator: It's rising...

[End of HCL-18]

LRH: ... extended way out there. Let's be the back.

[Beginning of the HCL-27 reel]

Commentator: One point. One and a quarter points.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

LRH: (pause) Let's be that back cell again and get the impact from in back. (pause) What did you get?

... a few trillion years.

PC: Um, guess there's some blockage to being able to do that right there.

Voice from Audience: How you going to know? There’s a lot of ... Well, that’s true, that’s true.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Voice from Audience: Yeah. Well, I ... [unintelligible] now. I realize that it’s all ... [unintelligible]

PC: It's quite easy in the front, but not so ...

LRH: Did you have to protect the information in that hypnosis? Mm-hm. What did you think of?

LRH: Where did the pain come in from?

PC: Yeah, I think I did.

PC: I hit - I got it in back that time. I thought I'd get it in the front, but it didn't, you know, my ...

LRH: And you’ve been holding back information sort of ever since, in a general line? What if somebody in the MEST universe learned about how you got into this home universe? Who are you protecting information from? (pause)

LRH: Okay. Yeah. Good.

PC: (sigh)

PC: ... it didn't work out.

LRH: Tell me, can you be rolled out of this universe of your own and enslaved by the MEST universe?

LRH: Now let's be on the right side of the pineal. Let's be a cell on the right side of the pineal, getting that impact coming in, with your skull way out there, and so forth - that impact.

PC: I get confusion.

Commentator: Needle dropped one point and now rising.

LRH: If anybody knew the secret of the theta universe, could they then have an almost unlimited number of slaves?

LRH: (pause) Got it?

PC: Yes.

PC: Yeah. I'm - I ...

LRH: What did you think of?

LRH: You got it? (pause) Uh-huh, you got it.

PC: Yes, but they wouldn’t want to.

PC: Yeah, I got it.

LRH: They wouldn’t want to. Who wouldn’t want to? Some of these people in the MEST universe wouldn’t want to? (pause) People in the theta universe?

LRH: All right.

PC: I don’t think that people in the theta universe would want to.

Commentator: Needle's fluctuating one point.

LRH: And once having rolled out of it, you wouldn’t want people to know how to get back into it, would you? (pause) No charge on that.

LRH: There we go. That was the one that was hung up on it. Yeah. Let's get it again. (pause) Now let's shift over and be the left side of the pineal.

PC: ... be it.

PC: Seems a heavy effort seems to be pushing the head this way.

LRH: Hm?

LRH: That's right. Let's shift over and be a cell, now, on the left end of the pineal, getting the side blast from the skull.

PC: Seems to be it.

PC: I had a great big operation at the age of three to pull my head back up again.

LRH: Mm-hm? You trying to keep the people in the MEST universe from getting into the theta universe? (pause) What’ve you got there?

LRH: Yeah?

PC: I feel I’m trying to keep myself from getting into it.

PC: Yeah. You can see the scars - look right there.

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from getting into it. Well, what’s wrong with you? Something wrong with you now? Hm?

Commentator: Tone dropped two full points and has now come back up.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: (pause) You having a hard time getting that side?

LRH: Would you do something bad to the theta universe if you got into it? PC: Seems to be yes.

PC: Yeah, I'm getting it a little bit. Harder though.

LRH: Would you take bad knowledge into it? Bad experience? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Get it again.

LRH: What do you have, a degraded feeling about it? PC: Ooh! Yeah.

Commentator: The tone has now risen; it's gone up a full point.

LRH: Shame won’t let you go home? (pause) Ah.

LRH: All right, let's shift back now. Let's be all the pineal in the middle of this great big skull and let's get the feeling "I want to have it," as the pineal.

Did you roll out of the theta universe, sort of face into another dimension and get into the MEST universe by accident? What have you got there? Curiosity?

Commentator: One-point drop

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: You want the pain.

LRH: Curiosity.

LRH: Yeah - no. "I just want this. I want this."

PC: Yeah, you can run it from a distance or manipulate it, or you can get into it and see what it feels like.

PC: Counter-effort?

LRH: Mm-hm. But once you get into it, what’s wrong with it?

LRH: No, yeah - "I want this." That's right.

PC: Feeling you have to go all the way through it in order to get back out. LRH: Go along a treadmill, so to speak. Is there another way out of it?

PC: "I want this counter-effort ..."

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You see, really, the plot is, let's say - you've been swindled, you see? But the point is, you started into this and you say, "I want all this." Now, just say to yourself, "I want this," and you be the pineal. And you say, "Boy, I really want this."

LRH: What is it?

Commentator: Tone has now dropped three points.

PC: Well, I think of the Zen Buddhist story of how you get a goose out Of a bottle. LRH: Mm-hm. How do you get a goose out of a bottle?

LRH: (pause) Get that again. Now, get that postulate: "I really want this." As the gland...

PC: Snap your fingers and say, “There, it’s out.” LRH: Okay. We’re batting on a thousand there.

PC: Well, the postulate is "I asked for this."

All right. Now, about your adventures in the MEST universe, what’s the first thing that happened to you after you got into the MEST universe that was serious7

LRH: Oh, the postulate is "I asked for this" Is that immediately after the first one? (snap)

PC: Hypnosis and Fac One. LRH: Some kind of hypnosis? PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: Some kind of a Fac One? Were you trapped in some way? (pause) Tell me this, did somebody install emotions in you?

LRH: All right, let's get the first one. "I want this."

PC: I don’t like that, whatever it is. (audience laughter)

PC: (pause) I want pain. I want to want it. I want to - well ...

LRH: Does that come later than the incident I’m talking about? PC: Yes.

LRH: You know what you want. (snap)

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, about how many million years ago would you suppose that you got emotions installed in you? What did you think of?

Commentator: Tone is now rising.

PC: Fourteen thousand.

LRH: Now, get that postulate just before the first energy impact.

LRH: Emotions installed in you fourteen thousand years ago? PC: Seems what I got.

PC: Before. All right.

LRH: Okay. Was it fourteen thousand? Or fourteen thousand years after you entered the MEST universe? Which?

LRH: Just before the first energy impact. You be the pineal in the middle of this big skull, and just before this first energy impact, the moment before the first energy impact, and you've got a sort of a feeling there? You don't feel bad at all. You feel good - just before the first energy impact.

PC: That seems better.

PC: Rather - rather powerfull.

LRH: Mm-hm. It was in the MEST universe? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. You feel pretty good, don't you, huh? All right, let's get that first energy impact from all sides simultaneously.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let’s get another go at its time. I know it’s hard to estimate time, but it

Commentator: Needle dropped a point as it was realised.

- would it be halfway between here and the entrance into the MEST universe? Midpoint on the track between here and the past? What did you think of? You thought of it somewhere there.

PC: ... reluctancy to do that.

PC: I thought that seemed to be about right. LRH: Middle point.

LRH: All right. When I slap my hands together, get the energy impact from all sides simultaneously. (clap)

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: The needle drifted up two points and then dropped five points. Now very slowly rising.

LRH: Yeah, that’s more or less. Now, is it earlier than the middle point or later than the middle point? Earlier, little earlier? Little later? Who cares. What’s a few billion years. Okay. Would you say that was about five billion years ago?

LRH: Okay. How are you feeling?

PC: Hm ... LRH: Six?

PC: Well, I-I don't know.

PC: Seems better.

Commentator: Drop.

LRH: Between five and six? PC: Okay. (sigh)

LRH: What's the postulate goes with it?

LRH: Five and six billion. just at a guess, these figures, you understand, are relatively - your order of magnitude is all you want so that you get your proper sequences of time. And this is installed emotions, huh? What emotions were installed?

PC: "I don't know where I am."

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay ...

LRH: NOW, that’s a honey. just don’t concentrate on it for a minute, Maurie, and let me try and tell the folks what this one is - this is trick. In various ways, one of its guises could be “Well, you win a prize. A person who knows wins a prize.”

PC: "I'm lost, but I like it."

And don’t let me color the one you were going to run, because this thing is quite variable.

LRH: Uh-huh.

[to audience] Well, the MEST people, more or less, they want to put out this big prize. And so they give you a prize for knowing. Well, up to that point, you really know - you know pretty well. And then one of its versions is to throw a dome over the person, over the theta person- bam! - hold him completely motionless with fields so that he has an utter timelessness, so that he’s suddenly and momentarily a zero, and then just throw him down a chute which passes him across fields - magnetic fields - one right after the other, which install wavelengths which are very close to one-over-infinity, with - which approximate our Tone Scale from 2.0 down.

Commentator: Needle is wavering at the lower edge of the dial.

[to pc] What’s the matter?

LRH: All right. Now expand yourself out to the point where the pineal is in the middle of the skull now.

PC: Apparently the story of my life - I don’t know.

PC: Out here.

LRH: Is this approximately the incident we’re trying to run here, something like it? PC: Seems to be.

LRH: Mm-hm. (pause) Now get the pineal back in the middle of the skull.

LRH: Well, there’s something that is missing on it someplace; your incident varied in some way. Tell me, is fear in a tub at the bottom?

PC: Sort of have to go backwards to do that, you know.

PC: I get a yes on that.

LRH: Yeah, I know.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, there is some vague similarity with what I was saying. There is an installed sequence of emotions, then, isn’t there?

PC: Did we have to be aware before they could shoot?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: What are you thinking about? PC: I don’t like it.

Commentator: Needle's slowly rising, fluctuating, rising, averaging out to a very slow rise.

LRH: Who installed it? A lower order of people, or something? (pause) PC: I get the impression they were big.

PC: There's a postulate "I wish I could get back."

LRH: Big people, huh?

LRH: Yeah, "I wish it hadn't happened" sort of thing.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: "I wish I could get back, I was so powerful."

LRH: Okay. Is that where you got emotions from 2.0 down? (pause) Tell me, by the way, just out of curiosity - was all the pleasure you had formerly taken in aesthetics suddenly channeled into the second dynamic?

LRH: "I asked for this."

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, that's unfair of you to say that. I mean, I'm trying to get back here, and you throw that one at me. (laugh)

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, you've got the facsimile rearranged now so that you got a facsimile of you? Get the facsimile of you in the pineal in the middle of the head - just you.

PC: Also said that wasn’t any good.

Commentator: Tone continues to rise.

LRH: Also said that wasn’t any good; yeah, that’s right. That’s right.

PC: Oh, I got a plan: I - instead of going back through it, I'11 just snap around in the front.

[to audience] All right. This incident has a slang term which - we call it the “installer” and it’s a great little gimmick. Actually, any of these emotions have a very precise wavelength, which is why one suspected immediately that there’s something rotten in Denmark. I mean, why would everybody do this and do that exactly at the same wavelengths? Silly.

LRH: That's right. Okay.

[to pc] Well, now, let’s take your earlier life. Okay? How about your earlier life. Was there anything unhappy occurred in your earlier life in the MEST universe? (pause) Do you pick up anything very unhappy there? (pause) Are you still haunted by this emotional installer?

PC: 1.1. (audience laughter)

PC: No.

LRH: All right.

LRH: No? Okay. (pause) What did you think of? PC: Some kind of confusions which was unpleasant. LRH: Some confusions, unpleasant?

& Just put down the cans and have a cigarette.

PC: Confusion.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Yeah? Would it be the confusion of everything hitting you at once? What did you think of?

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: Yeah.

[Sounds like a different PC]

LRH: What was it? Yeow! There’s a sticker in it. Holder in it, huh? Is it the holder of rays or waves or something?

LRH: You felt an impact? Now, where was the impact felt when I asked you to do that? Was it felt over your body or in your head?

PC: (pause) Waves, I guess, would be ...

PC: Oh, head - head only.

LRH: Were they leveled at you intentionally to accomplish something or... What have we got here, the Emanator?

LRH: It was felt in your - against your head?

PC: Hm.....

PC: Uh...

LRH: No? It’s an emanator of some sort. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Did you ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the incident, the installer? PC: Yeah.

PC: ... now you see, now you start talking about it, I get it on top of the head.

LRH: Is there a bad holder in it someplace?

LRH: Uh-huh. Did you get it inside as the pineal? Did you get an allover somatic or did you get a...

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: No, inside as the pineal. Yeah, I would be the pineal inside this skull. Now that - now wait a minute. I was - just my head was doing it inside ... I may have ...

LRH: There it is. What is it?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: I’m getting a visio of a black triangle.

PC: ... not done it all ...

LRH: Oh. Somebody command you into a black triangle? PC: It obscures a - either a circle or disk behind it.

LRH: That's right.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is this earlier than the installer? Later. PC: Seems - I don’t know; I feel that it’s earlier.

PC: ... so I see what I didn't do.

LRH: It’s earlier.

LRH: You see?

PC: Around ...

PC: I only put my head in the center of the skull ...

LRH: Billion years earlier? Billion years earlier? What’s this, the black triangle? What’s the incident?

LRH: All right.

PC: Oh. Yeah, it’s - the symbol is the same as the four-dimensional symbol that I had before. LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... I didn't put my whole body in it.

PC: Only this is a - cramming it in three dimensions ... LRH: Oh.

LRH: All right.

PC: ... obscuring the fourth.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Say, by the way, are we getting the shift of you from the theta universe into the MEST universe? Is this it? Is this the shift?

LRH: Okay, let's move all of you into the pineal now, again.

PC: Seems to be ...

PC: Oh, that's different.

LRH: One of the shifts? By the way, did you ever get out of the MEST universe and then back into the theta universe, and then out of the theta universe back into the MEST universe? Ho, ho, ho!

LRH: Just before it hit, all of you into the pineal. (pause) Move all of you into it.

PC: Yeah. I’m shaking all over.

Commentator: Sensitivity of the needle has been increased. Preclear rising on the scale.

LRH: Ho, ho, ho! Well, that’s the first one of those I’ve picked up. What happened when you went into the theta universe?

LRH: All right. Now, let's get the first moment...

PC: I don’t know, but I have a feeling it wasn’t very pleasant.

PC: Well, I'm not before the first moment yet, I don't think.

LRH: Wasn’t pleasant in the theta universe. Hooray! What was the matter with it? (pause) (Nice drop in it.)

LRH: Well, let's get the first moment. You didn't like the idea of getting the first moment, I take it?

PC: It’s upside down. LRH: Is it all upside down? PC: How do you mean?

PC: Mm, that's right.

LRH: Had the MEST universe turned it upside down? Had something happened to the theta universe? (pause) What are you thinking of there?

LRH: Uh-huh. Let's get the first impact of that pineal - now, first impact on the pineal - and you be the pineal.

PC: Yeah, but I don’t know quite what. Two things were somehow joined together. LRH: Two things joined together.

PC: Wait a - well, I got to get the - take a little minute here and get to be the pineal again.

PC: Intermingled.

LRH: All right.

LRH: Mm-hm. The theta and MEST universe was kind of intermingled. Well, by the way, by running this incident, would this all straighten out? PC: I’m running it now.

PC: You just don't do this sort of thing in everyday life in the twentieth century. It takes something to do it.

LRH: Oh-ho-ho, you’re running it now.

LRH: Well, you're doing it in everyday life now. (pause) You got it?

PC: I’m doing something. I’m shaking all over and getting weird flutterings; I’ve never had anything quite like this before.

PC: Almost, the way it's going. (pause) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

LRH: Is this your central being running this? PC: Yeah. I have two of them running.

LRH: Got it? All right. Get the first rap.

LRH: Both of them running. PC: Both a central and ...

Commentator: Tone is starting to rise.

LRH: And an entity.

LRH: Now, is it simultaneous from all sides at once?

PC: ... seems to be located in the back of my head. Seem to be ...

PC: Dah-dah-dat-da. I don't know.

LRH: Well, is that the original duo? We’re running it? Is this another entity running itself? I’m sorry I don’t mean to invalidate your running it. The machine does that once in a while, you have to be careful of this.

Commentator: Tone is starting to rise - dropped.

LRH: How about the two beings’ regard for this incident?

LRH: Front/back, all top, all around at once, or is it selectively: one first and then the other one?

PC: They don’t seem to be quite as concerned about it as the rest of me does, for some reason.

PC: Might be all at once, I don't know. Might be all at once.

LRH: Oh. Well, tell me, did this add more to you? This incident add more to you in some way or something? No? All right. Which being is it that’s concentrated on it? Which being?

LRH: All right, let's try and find out. I'll snap my fingers and it'll hit. (snap)

PC: Just the one in the back of my head, which I believe would be the second one.

Commentator: Needle dropping two points.

LRH: The second one. Is there an entity in the back of your head as well as the second being? Is there an entity that influences the back of your head?

LRH: All right. The first one will hit again. (snap)

PC: I would say yes.

Commentator: Slow rise of one point.

LRH: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We’re getting a halt on this. Yes, sir. What have we got now? Hey, you got a new entity that doesn’t belong there. Great stuff. Was he there all the time? Was he there when this happened?

LRH: Be the pineal there in the center of the head.

PC: No.

PC: Yeah, I got out of it, see? It's - it's hitting the pineal.

LRH: He wasn’t there when this happened. Well, why is he concerned about it?

Commentator: Continuing to rise.

[to audience] Just about to flip and throw one of these entities.

LRH: (pause) All right. Let's hit it smack again, (snap)

[to pcl Now, why is he so concerned about it? Because he can concern you with it? PC: Mm-hm. Uses this for control.

PC: I don't actually want to be the pineal again, Ron.

LRH: Well, uses it for control. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Let's get in there.

LRH: What happens to your shakes? PC: They diminish.

PC: You see, there's a fear of getting in to be the pineal, you see, because, you get in there, boy, you're going to get hit.

LRH: Locate him a little more thoroughly and differentiate between him and the back being. Has he been pretending to be the back being?

Commentator: The needle is fluctuating about five points on the dial.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, let's get that - let's be the pineal - all of you. Now, first blow. (clap)

LRH: Oh, isn’t he a cute little trick. How are the shakes now? PC: Gone.

PC: Didn't get it.

LRH: They gone?

LRH: No.

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: No reaction.

LRH: Feel more relaxed? Now let’s differentiate a little bit better between the real back being and this entity. (pause)

LRH: First blow again, smack from all sides. (clap)

Did you ever agree to have this entity? PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Still no reaction; now a slight drop.

LRH: You did, huh? Did it just move in on you by compulsion? PC: Yeah, it was compulsion, but I agreed to it.

LRH: All right, let's get it now: the first one from all sides simultaneously, and get the drop in tone. Get the feeling of tone drop as that first one hits. (clap)

LRH: You a agreed under duress? PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Preclear jumped; the needle at full ...

LRH: Mm-hm, but not very much. Well, what did you think of? This upset it? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right, let's get it again: the tone drop as the first one hits (clap)

LRH: Mm-hm. Upsets it some way, huh? Is it stuck on the track anyplace? PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Three-point drop, now rising.

LRH: Yeah? Is it stuck on the track in something when it was being you? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: The tone drop as the first one hits again. (clap) Let's be the pineal inside now - inside that skull. Now, let's get hit from all quarters simultaneously. And you tell me where the blows are this next time.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is it also stuck on the track in something before it joined you? (pause) Boy, it really decided to curl up. What’s the state of that being? Did it blow?

Commentator: Needle is fluctuating widely on the scale as this question's asked.

PC: I get a yes.

LRH: All right, the first one is now going to hit. (clap)

LRH: It blew. Well, the back being very glad it’s gone? Who’s glad it’s gone? Which one? PC: Center and the back both, solar plexus doesn’t like this.

Commentator: Preclear jumps; needle drops four points.

LRH: Doesn’t like to have it gone. PC: That’s right.

PC: Can't particularly tell you where the blows are.

LRH: Because that means it goes now. PC: Yeah, it feels very small suddenly.

LRH: That's all right. The first one - the first impact now, and it's going to hit again. (clap)

LRH: Yeah. Why? Was it the one that was holding the solar plexus together? Was the solar plexus being-entity operating only because of this back-of-the-head being? Did they have a pact between them?

PC: Near - around the back someplace.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yep.

LRH: Were they in communication? PC: Yeah.

PC: Somewhere around the back - neck or someplace around that area.

LRH: By golly, that solar plexus being doesn’t want to answer, does it? Is it gone? (pause) Is it gone?

LRH: All right.

PC: I don’t know.

Commentator: Needle going up four points.

LRH: How does it feel? How’s your solar plexus? PC: Feels pretty relaxed.

LRH: Now, the first one is going to hit again. (clap)

LRH: Feels pretty relaxed. You afraid it won’t stay that way? Is it gone or just playing dead? (pause) Is it gone?

Commentator: Now dropping five points.

PC: (pause) Can’t find it.

LRH: First one's going to hit again. (clap)

LRH: Can’t find it. How’s your stomach feel? PC: Fine.

Commentator: Preclear is doubling over.

LRH: Back of your head feel?

LRH: First one is going to hit again. (clap) (pause)

PC: It’s tingling, burning and all kinds of things. LRH: Back of your head tingling and burning? PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Needle has now swung clear to the left of the scale.

LRH: Why? Is this - this entity just move out to the outside, did it? PC: Sure.

LRH: And again, (clap) (pause) Okay, what's the - get the tone drop now. Is it a tone drop or a tone rise when that first one hits?

LRH: Is it still trying to hang on or are you - is your rear ... PC: I’m holding it.

PC: Might be a rise. Might be a rise.

LRH: ... theta being holding it?

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Might be a rise.

LRH: Well, why is it holding it? (pause) Attached to it? What do you get on it? PC: He uses it for control.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Let's get that tone change, the tone change as that first one hits, Just before the first one, now you're in the center of the skull, all of you is the pineal. (clap) Okay. You getting more?

LRH: Uses it for control. Can’t he ... PC: Can be used in turn ...

Commentator: Preclear jumps and tone drops five points. It is now moving full right.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, can’t he control directly? Tell me, is there a second back-of-the-head being?

PC: I think on the emotion ... Seems to be ...

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You got it.

LRH: A second back-of-the-head entity as distinguished from a being? Is there another one in there - the two operating together?

PC: ... up to fear or something like that.

Don’t seem to see so, huh? What did you ... PC: Oh, it’s on the right side of the back.

LRH: Yeah, that's right.

LRH: Oh, right side of the back of the head. When did you agree to have that one? Did you? PC: I don’t feel any agreement about this one.

PC: God, what a low-toned character.

LRH: Well, did it come in at a moment of unconsciousness or something? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. But do we get a down-up?

LRH: Hypnotism? Unconsciousness? What are we running here, a joiner of some sort? An incident where they were all joined together? A little bit.

PC: Yeah, yeah, a down-up.

PC: Hm.

LRH: All right. Let's get that now.

LRH: Not particularly. Well, this thing hasn’t got any business there at all, has it? What did you think of?

PC: All right.

PC: I was trying to think of how I picked it up. LRH: You’ve just thought of it. What is it?

LRH: Be in the center of the skull and let's get that down-up emotion on the first impact. Okay, when I smack my hands, it'll hit. (clap)

PC: I wasn’t listening to you. (audience laughter)

PC: No, I wasn't in the center of the skull.

LRH: Okay. You know how you picked it up. How long ago did you pick it up? (pause) (These aren’t entities, by the way, these are idle beings.)

LRH: Well, let's get in the center there. (pause)

PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Needle has now moved to the full right-hand side of the dial as the preclear attempts to concentrate his attention in the center of the skull.

LRH: Yeah. What did you think of that time? You got it. What is it? PC: Well, I just - I saw it, I guess.

LRH: [to machine operator] Center the machine.

LRH: And what happened? It blew? PC: No, that’s how I picked it up and ...

Commentator: The operator of the machine is now centering the needle.

LRH: Oh, you just saw it.

LRH: [to pc] Okay. You in the center now?

PC: ... sympathy or something; I haven’t quite got it.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. You’re getting it, though. (pause) Well, let’s get it a little more solidly there and you can get it. You can recall it. What was the emotion? Which entity picked it up? Was it the theta beings that picked it up?

LRH: Okay. First one's going to hit again. (clap) Get the curve of the first one. (clap) Get it again. (clap) And again. (clap) And again. (clap) First one, just the first bap. (clap)

PC: No.

Commentator: Needle fluctuates about four points.

LRH: No. Was it another stomach entity that picked him up? PC: Mm.

LRH: Get the curve that goes with it?

LRH: Aided and assisted by a couple of the side entities? Which one did you think of? PC: It’s higher in the solar plexus.

PC: Yeah. It seemed to me I was getting one in the stomach then, too.

LRH: Oh, you got another one in the stomach, there? PC: Above.

LRH: All right. Let's get that first bap, simultaneous bap, and the curve that goes with it. (clap) And again. (clap) Let's be all in the center there now. (clap)

LRH: It picked him up. Okay. You got it. All right. Is it the one that’s been holding on to it? PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Wait till I get all in the center, here. Wait a minute. Takes a little time to keep in this center.

LRH: All right. How about blowing that one that’s a little higher in the solar plexus now? (These blow awful easy. These idle ones.)

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: This one doesn’t amount to much. LRH: Hm?

PC: Trying to keep in there. Seems you can get out of there, you know?

PC: I don’t think this one amounts to much. LRH: Didn’t amount to much. Is it blowing? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: So it is. Is it gone? PC: Hm. (pause) Yeah.

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Registering here that it is. Okay. just wanted you to decide. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. (pause) Now, is there an effort to get out of there, as the pineal?

LRH: Okay. NOW, how about this black triangle incident now? (pause) Well, what do you know?

PC: Yes, you're right. I'd like to get out of this.

PC: Didn’t go through it. [or might be “We just blew it.” - Ed.] LRH: Okay.

LRH: All right. Let's get the effort to get out of there, now, as the pineal. Let's get the effort to get out - to disconnect. First bap. (clap) Get the effort to get out of there. Again, first bap. (clap) (pause) You got it?

Oh, I happen to know a couple of incidents here. Let me ask you if you’ve been through these. You ever build roads?

[to machine operator] Center the machine.

PC: Hm. Didn’t like it.

PC: There's a lot of confusion. I don't quite know what I'm getting now.

LRH: Nope. How soon after you entered the physical universe, the MEST universe, did you start building roads?

LRH: Well, let's get the effort to get out of there on the first bap, now.

PC: Pardon me, I’m stuck in this.

PC: Get out on the first bap now.

LRH: How soon afterwards did you start building roads?

LRH: All right, let's get, now, the ARC break. First the affinity break with everything else in the skull.

PC: I have a feeling it’s ... That’s what you were started out with.

Commentator: Three-Point drop.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did something pull you into this universe so you’d build roads? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: As the pineal, experience this affinity break with everything in the skull with the first bap. (clap) (pause) Let's do it again. Affinity break.

LRH: You got it. What is it? What have you got? PC: Horns. Horns? I don’t know. Vibrations?

Commentator: Has risen to three point ...

LRH: Vibrations? Horns? Beating with clubs? Beating of clubs? Drive you out of it? Drive you into it? Noise?

LRH: Do you find an affinity break there or an affinity change?

PC: Yeah. That seems to be the idea. LRH: Noise. Confusion and noise. PC: Mm-hm. Yeah.

PC: Affinity change.

LRH: What do they use, confusion and noise to harass a theta being into being - doing something?

LRH: All right, get an affinity change with the rest of the body, your feeling of an affinity change with the rest of the body.

PC: There’s a lot of confusion on it. LRH: Mm-hm. Lot of confusion.

Commentator: Getting a three-point drop, now rising, fluctuating. It's full off on the left-hand edge of the dial.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: [to machine operator] Center the machine.

LRH: And then did you start building roads? PC: Mm ... (pause)

Commentator: Tone now rising.

LRH: Did you get a drop on that? Building roads? PC: Yeah. I think so, anyway.

LRH: Get an affinity change again with the rest of the body. Is it up or down?

LRH: You see that still needle?

Commentator: Continuing to rise.

Did you live lifetime after lifetime after lifetime in body after body after body on these roads, or anything like that?

PC: It's difficult to discern.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Get a communication shift with the rest of the body on the first bap.

LRH: Or was it roads? Was it the city itself ? Was it masonry, bridges? What? You’ve got it. What was it?

Commentator: Three-point drop, rising.

PC: Well, that sounded better than roads, and then electronics came to mind.

LRH: Get the bap and get the shift.

LRH: Oh, they got you in there building electronics, or were they building electronics? Were you building electronic things?

PC: Mm.

PC: I get a yes.

Commentator: Needle continues to rise, now dropping

LRH: You were. They put you to work in electronics. Were you designing? Manufacturing? You were manufacturing electronics. Okay. Were there rays?

PC: There seems to be a postulate there to tighten up and to hold the bap in place.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let's get this effort to hold it.

LRH: Did they affect you? PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Slow drop.

LRH: Badly?

PC: So as to dampen its action.

PC: Hm, they had all kinds.

LRH: All right. Let's get the effort to hold it. (pause)

LRH: Mm-hm. How many lives did you spend doing this? One? More than one? I mean body lives now ...

Commentator: The needle's rising.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Again, get the effort to hold that action. (pause) And again the effort to hold on to the action. As the pineal, now, get the effort to hold on to this bap. Get it coming in and hold on to it. (pause) You getting it?

LRH: ... MEST body lives.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

PC: Hm, forty, fifty, something like that.

LRH: Good. What's it like?

LRH: Forty or fifty MEST body lives? Forty or fifty thousand MEST body lives? That’s closer to it.

Commentator: A three-point needle fluctuation.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Well, a - a freeze.

LRH: Hundred thousand MEST body lives? What did you think of? PC: I thought it was a long time.

LRH: Is it going through it yet? Have you got that effort freed up or is it wearing out as an effort?

LRH: Long time. Oh, you’re getting a feeling of monotony on this, or something. PC: Mm-hm.

PC: It's sort of wearing out, just a little bit.

LRH: Getting the feeling like this was a long time? By the way, was there any way they kept you coming into bodies or anything, to do this?

LRH: All right. Let's just get it rapidly. Bap-hold-bap -hold-bap-hold-baphold-bap-hold, come on.

PC: Yeah.

PC: I'll keep running over it, now I see ...

LRH: Well, you got it. How’d they do it? PC: Kind of a keyed ...

LRH: One right after the other, bap-bap-bap-bap-bap. Just the first one, repeating, repeating, repeating. The first one repeating and your effort to hold, hold, hold, hold. (pause)

LRH: You’ve got it.

Commentator: Needle just swung - was put off the dial to the left. The machine has been centered. Now the needle starts to rise - three, four, five points; continues to rise to six.

PC: ... I’ve got it, but I don’t know how to describe it. Keyed oscillator or frequency and ... LRH: Some kind of a crystal.

LRH: And you have to hold it good?

PC: ... crystals - some kind of an arrangement that was keyed to me and I’d keep coming back. LRH: Then you’d keep coming back.

PC: Yeah.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is it wearing out?

LRH: What did they key it on? PC: Me.

PC: Yeah, it's slowly wearing out.

LRH: On your theta body? On a part of your theta body? On your MEST body? PC: Yeah. MEST Body.

Commentator: Slight drop, and continuing to rise.

LRH: On a part of your MEST body? PC: Mm-hm.

PC: There's more

LRH: What did they do, hold a piece of your MEST body? Every time you’re dead, they had a piece of your MEST body, something like that?

LRH: Hm? What?

PC: It was done various ways. If you had a MEST body, you kept it in nutrient baths and crystal patterns. Quite sure they were used.

PC: Right now the effort seems to be more coming in, you know, pushing it out.

LRH: Uh-huh. Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Crystals in which a pattern or frequency or whatever they did with it ... LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I mean, the counter-effort is coming in on me more now

PC: ... was set up, which contained the identical pattern or field or frequency, whatever it was, of

LRH: Mm-hm.

...

PC: I'm not - i don't seem to be holding it out there so much.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. What'd you get there?

PC: ... the body. And you could repeat.

PC: Longer counter-effort.

LRH: Did you ever have to be trained more than once in your job? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. (pause) All right, bring it in.

LRH: Were you trained each life in your job? PC: Mmm, seems doubtful.

Commentator: Very wide fluctuations of the needle, drop and then a rise.

LRH: just maybe trained a few times. Few times? Dozen times? Several dozen times? Did you have four or five jobs in all this time?

LRH: Get your effort as the pineal to pull it right straight on through. Is it from all sides at once or just from the back?

PC: Mm-hm. About that. I get twelve.

PC: The back - the back of the neck, the back of the neck.

LRH: About twelve jobs? Well, after you learned how to do a job and you came back into a MEST body again, would you know how to do it again?

LRH: All right. Pull it in from the back of the neck.

PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Pull it in. Pull it in.

LRH: Would you keep on doing it? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Over and over and over. Pull it in to you.

LRH: Oh. Would you die then and go into another MEST body and then be back on the same job again?

PC: Counter-effort. Okay.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Pull the counter-effort in.

LRH: Do you like this? Interesting work? PC: I didn’t like it, but they said I did.

Commentator: Needle fluctuating tone rising.

LRH: Oh, ha-ha ha-ha. Said you were enthusiastic about it. PC: Mm-hm.

PC: Postulate's "It's easier this way."

LRH: Is this what you would call the first sequences of what we know as hypnosis or duress by rays or something of this sort?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Mm-hm.

Commentator: Full-dial drop.

LRH: Hm? What would that be? Would that be it? PC: (pause) Yeah.

PC: It doesn't seem to be pressing quite so strong now.

LRH: What did you think of?

LRH: All right. Get your effort to shove it out. Rapidly, one right after the other on the first bap and the effort to shove it out.

PC: Wondering how long they’d been there before that. LRH: Oh. (laugh) What eventually happened to this place? PC: Hmm. Deserted - impression I get.

Commentator: Tone's starting to rise again, continuing to rise. Now, a slight drop again rising.

LRH: Mm-hm. What’s the name of this place? You got it. What is it? PC: Something beginning with an A.

PC: By God, I can get that. You know I couldn't get that before?

LRH: Arsclycus. Okay. Isn’t that right? PC: I’don’t know. (pause)

LRH: That's right.

LRH: All right. Is this the first cycle, then, of being held to a cycle of lives? PC: I get a yes.

PC: Uh-huh. Those other efforts were obscuring it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Held to a cycle of lives. Are there others? PC: Yeah.

Commentator: Very wide fluctuation of the needle, almost a full-dial swing.

LRH: How many others? You got it. How many? PC: Ten.

LRH: Wearing out?

LRH: About ten cycles like this, huh? I mean ten of these things where you repeat lives - bing, bing, bing, bing. Under other circumstances than in Arsclycus?

PC: Yeah, little by little it's wearing out.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now, let's get the effort to pull it in.

LRH: Mm-hm. What’s the last one? PC: Right now.

PC: Pull it in?

LRH: Right now. Okay. Where are the monitors now? (pause) You hit it.

LRH: Pull it in again.

What is it?

PC: There's something.

PC: I’m hitting it, but I don’t know what it means yet. LRH: Are they MEST universe?

LRH: Some more of that there?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Yeah, there's more of that there.

LRH: Are they still there? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Get it in several times to pull it in.

LRH: Just take a rapid summary: How many of your bodies have they got? How many bodies they got to match you? One? Six? What did you get?

PC: I'm not trying to bop the machine but I know you're getting...

PC: Mmm ...

Commentator: Needle fell full off to the left. Operator of the machine is setting the needle.

LRH: You got the figure. What was the figure you got? PC: Seven.

LRH: All right. Pull it in again.

LRH: About seven.

PC: Not - don't seem to be there quite so much. It's more "not to resist."

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Push it out. Get the resistance; resist, resist, resist. (horn honking)

LRH: -Okay. Was that the one you thought of a moment ago? PC: I didn’t get one a moment ago. It went on past me.

PC: Hey, that damned horn sounded like it.

LRH: Hey, now wait a minute. Is there an entity blocking out this stuff? PC: Yeah!

LRH: Mm-hm. Get the effort to resist.

LRH: Which one is this one? PC: Has to do with my eyes.

PC: (pause) This makes the somatic very strong just now.

LRH: Yeah. Is there an entity hanging around your eyes? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh, you're getting a good somatic on it now?

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that native to you? PC: I get a yes on that.

PC: Yeah, on the resistive effort, there is a somatic on it - on it.

LRH: Oh, is it talking?

LRH: All right. Is that effort getting stronger? Is your effort getting stronger?

PC: That stopped it.

PC: The resistor effort?

LRH: Who’s holding that one? PC: (pause) I don’t know.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. You know. Would you call that ... PC: Center seems to be holding it, if anything is.

PC: Yeah, yeah.

LRH: Center’s holding it. Yeah, evidently. Why? Is the center guilty of an overt act against it? The center thinks it needs it?

LRH: Over again. Over again. Resist it.

PC: Mm-hm. Can’t see without it.

PC: Well, that makes a very strong somatic.

LRH: Oh? Can’t see without it. Who says so? PC: Mm-hm. This is what I was thinking about. LRH: Yeah. Is that an occlusion entity?

Commentator: Needle is fluctuating in a three-point range now.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Try it again. Throw all of your resistance into it now.

LRH: Now we know where the occlusion entity is. (pause) Okay. There are ten of these periods, then.

PC: It's on just, I think, one vertebra in the back of the neck. (pause)

Now, let’s get on another subject there for a moment. Are there specific times when several theta beings or bodies have been pulled together and joined to you?

LRH: Now how's the effort on it?

PC: Yeah.

PC: It's the - the somatic is lessening.

LRH: How many of these have happened? PC: I get three or four.

LRH: Lessening, huh? All right. Try pulling it in again.

LRH: Three or four.

PC: Pull it in again?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Pull it in. (pause) Pull it in again. Rapidly, one right after the other, pull it in.

LRH: You get three and four; in other words, some of them have three and some of them have four. Well, that would be natural, you see, because the two center ones weren’t.

PC: One right after the other, right. Uuuuuhhh. (mumble) I try - I try to resist it. But the effort to accept it does seem to be a little - little out of the road now and there's this resistor effort that keeps coming in.

Okay. There are three of these periods where you were joined up, then, after. So there’s three and four. Okay. We won’t bother to trace these right now. Three and four joiners. Now, that’s fine.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, keep trying to pull it in until your effort reverses automatically.

That’s fine.

PC: So that I am doing nothing but pushing it out?

You’ve got that eye one clicked in. Key him out now. PC: Yes. I’m still working on it.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Is he blowing? PC: Yeah. He’s blowing.

PC: Mm. (pause) Yeah.

LRH: Thank you. Show people your eyes. PC: What’s the matter with them?

LRH: Did it reverse?

LRH: Sit up and show people your eyes. PC: Have I still got them?

PC: No. No, but I just got the concept of what you're referring to.

Female voice: They’re still there.

LRH: Oh.

LRH: You can blow him, very easily. Thank you very much, Maurie.

PC: Slow thinking with these facsimiles.

PC: Same to you, Ron.

Commentator: Needle has dropped two and a half points and is now rising slowly.

Now, want to demonstrate this track. This track is very close to constant. It varies in various degrees. There are periods in here when an individual has been one, an entity, or other, may have been space, operating in space; there are periods in here when a person has been this, has been that. And it’s very fascinating to find out that what we will quite commonly consider future material is very often past material.

PC: With the - keeping pulling it in like that is wearing the counter-effort out.

We have gone through a great cycle here on track: a cycle of electronics, thought, electronics, thought. For instance, now and then through history we have tried to regain our periods of being theta beings and controlling things thetawise. You see theta rising up every time you see a highly aesthetic society come into being. And then you see it deteriorate from that high aesthetic down into a MEST society, and it starts going to pieces at this time. And you see the Tone Scale repeated over and over, but this Tone Scale and this cycle is between thought/aesthetics and electronics/MEST force; those two categories. Thought, aesthetics - and thought and aesthetics, they contain such things as spiritualism, mysticism, magic, these various things. And MEST force and so forth, contains such things as standard religions of the past, guillotines, so on.

LRH: Okay. Pull it in. (pause) Pull it in some more.

I put that in there not for a joke, but because whenever a religion - you see, a religion is different than a religious philosophy, very different - a religion is that thing which is given as a package to a people about which they are not supposed to reason, and under thought and duress is used to control that people onerously. And you find many of these religions are completely bare of aesthetics. And then when they come up to higher levels of action, they actually get up toward theta for a while, and then they will slide back into a MEST religion wholly. They very seldom rise up. That is why an individual is almost never a mystic and a religious person at the same time. We need differentiation in those categories in order to understand that anything used as a control mechanism is the MEST universe: electronics and force. That means control. The MEST universe is terrifically interested in control. The theta universe is interested in freedom. It’s interested in aesthetics; it’s interested in creativeness. Your MEST universe is chaos.

PC: About the top of the shoulder blade is ...

The theta universe is very orderly. It has extra dimensions. And what you miss in the MEST universe is an ability merely to throw out your hand and have some aesthetic creation come into being. That’s theta universe. In the MEST universe you build and build and build and you make this great set very fancy, with great ardure, in a battle of gravity and conquering forces and so on. And at long last you have this enormous, beautiful structure and then somebody comes in - you have a tea table there - and if they’re MEST universe people, they come over and they pick up the teacup and find a tiny crack in it and say, “It’s cracked.”

LRH: You still on the first one?

Well, that’s the difference. So what you miss - what your theta beingness misses, is that aesthetic ability to create - to create at will. The universe is murder when it comes to creation. And any of you who started out in life with any slightest inkling or leaning toward the arts - and you’ll find this in most children even in kindergarten - you found out that the MEST universe continually crushed the things of beauty that you had, until older people would stand there and accept nothing beautiful from you. You come in with a pretty stone that you have found and you say, ‘Look at the colors in this stone,’ and they say, ‘Wash your hands for dinner.’

PC: Yeah, I'm still picking up the first ...

MEST universe rejects beauty. It’s cruel, terrible and harsh. And that is, actually, the central conflict of man: his theta beingness at war with his MEST beingness.

LRH: Good. You're just doing fine. (pause)

Now, it is quite remarkable that anything this society will develop in the field of electronics is - to speak very colloquially - old hat. You can take almost any man present, put him on the machine and get his memory realty operating, and open up a well of electronics he never suspected he knew anything about.

Commentator: Needle continues fluctuating one point.

The cycle of lives is itself used as a control factor. One of these ten cycles here, any one of them, was primarily interested in controlling the individual so as to make him apply force in a body toward some work being accomplished. Now, those cycles in control gradually got to a point where they found out a new method of control. They say, “Well, you only live one life, and you forget every other life that you ever lived.’ And as a result, you have to survive.

LRH: Now how's the somatic?

And so we get a new Tone Scale; you get a brand-new Tone Scale. This Tone Scale looks like this: up here-and we could have a parity on this, and I wilt draw this as a parity-here is ... [marking on blackboard] The word to describe this best is belongs, because you’re part of theta, part of theta. That would be your first universe. Out of that, you get a creation. But this point, “belongs,” is left, the moment one individuates.

PC: Right there it got a little stronger, and now it's tapering off a little bit

The next point down here has to do with this universe. One really decides “to be.” And in deciding to be, becomes part of the theta universe; but these are many, these theta universes, evidently, and what you would call it, really, would be “home universe.”

LRH: Mm. All right, resist it.

All right. Home universe is a theta universe. But you see, there could be many theta universes, because theta can create almost at will. So, we have “to be.” And that is, by the way, about 40- 0.

PC: Resist now. Okay.

Now here, when we entered the MEST universe, we got “survive.” Right there. At that point of entrance, one was told he had to survive. But this was survive as a consecutive body line or survive because of a purpose. And we get way, way down here close in to present time, some- thing of the sort, and we got survive - this is the lowest order of being - survive as a present time body for the sake of the body.

LRH: One right after the other, (pause) Hey, you got a good one.

Now, there are your states of being on a Tone Scale. There at the top, you belong, individuate and decide to be. Then, as you come into the MEST universe, you decide to survive over a long period of line toward certain things or cause certain survivals. And then away down here you get survival as a present time body just for the sake of that body. Now, that’s really decayed.

PC: Yeah, you bet.

Now, in order to regain this level, your Tone Scale goes right straight on up. And where you’re interested, you’re interested in taking your pc out here; right there at “survive,” the first “survive”: entrance into the MEST universe. Because if you do that, he can still operate in the MEST universe, he can stilt operate in a body, and so on. But if he ever gets there, you’re not going to be in a position where you’re going to be able to tell him where he should stop. There’s a great possibility that he’ll hit here or he’ll go right back there. Or there’s a great possibility that he may go out and create a new universe. The entity which we ust hit here was operating on a fear of “Don’t go back to that universe.” That is not a native ambition; I think you recognize that. Yeah.

LRH: Now, let's get a heavy resistance on it.

All right. There then is a picture of the track, and also a picture of the Tone Scale. Your standard track map more or less fills in, in incidents of - more or less of the character I’ve just written in here. Maurie is very accurate on this; he’s very straight. And your first is your individuation. Sometimes there’s an individuation of one and then an individuation of another one and its unition: they unite with different goals to do something, and the next thing you know, they decide to be and they go into home universe, a creative thing, and they’re all very fine. And one day out of curiosity, adventurousness or something of the sort - or by getting sort of pulled out of it - they all of a sudden wind up in the MEST universe.

Commentator: Needle drops two and a half points.

And we all seem to have more or less entered the MEST universe, thetawise, through the same hole. But then there’s a distinct possibility that there are MEST universe people who are older than this level or formed differently than this. That distinct possibility faces you.

LRH: Is it a lot less than it was?

So, what do we have here? Got this MEST universe. Generally, there was a society here shortly after entrance which really formed a static, because the fellow did the same thing time after time after time after time after time. He was born, grew rapidly and was trained. All right, he was trained. Now, the next thing he did after he was trained was go to work. And what was the work? You got some kind of an idea? Manufacturing electronics would be the same motions practically. You get out of some preclears that they’d even stuff them with food so they wouldn’t have to feed them every two weeks. If they sassed a guard or something like that, they had a part of them or had a field that matched them back in the guardhouse, and all you had to do was turn a switch and this fellow was in bad shape right away. At a vast distance, he was in bad shape. How do you like this electronically? Boy, could you sell this to the federal government!

PC: Yeah, it's less than it was.

Anyway, the name of this universe is Arsclycus. Now, there are some joiners in here on this track, and then there’s this installed-emotions incident. There are these various periods of reliving lives over and over. And then there’s some more odds and ends of incident, like added entities, subtracted entities. Someplace or other on the track, a person has agreed to do almost anything. And here is this last cycle, and I want to show you - while we’re on this and so on - about the last cycle.

LRH: Good. (pause) Still getting good solid resistance on it?

Well, what about taking a break first? Would you like to? And let me tell you about this last cycle? And then we’re all through.

PC: Yeah. Hey, you know there's a tendency to dope off, you know, I've been doping off in front of a - this machine all the time.

[Beginning of HCL-27A reel]

Commentator: The needle's dropped about five full points.

I’d like to talk to you now about the track map. There will be an issue of this map, many issues of this map, which will be printed and given to students of the Summary Course.

PC: But I said that because when I first came up, my awareness of the audience was high, now it's low.

There should be one of these maps for each preclear because all this map contains is the standard incidents on the track with side notations for each incident which can be filled in for any one preclear. And it has an accompanying chart which is an entity chart so that you can keep track of your preclear.

Commentator: The needle has returned to the center of the dial, now continuing to rise.

Now, this track map has notations on it to follow an electropsychometer so that it shows what you’re doing and what you’re getting charge on and so on. Now, you saw we had one preclear tonight who was a bit stuck on one incident. That incident was an explosion, an overt act and a jam of one sort or other, and that was very sticky, so we weren’t getting the rest of the track.

PC: Oh!

Now, it’s very interesting that somebody who has always considered hilself very stuck and so forth on the track - Maurie gets the whole track without any difficulty, you see? In other words, his theta being is actually operate pretty efficiently in spite of occlusions and all the rest of this stuff.

LRH: What happened?

Now, this track map is used, then, in this fashion: that you make notations for each type of incident when you discover it on an E-Meter. And then you have a notation on it whether or not you audited it out, or how nearly you audited it out, and what you audited it out of. See, that’s quite important. It’s important to keep, at this time, a check on your preclear. A careful auditor in the past - considering his preclear as just one entity, one being - had no great difficulty in keeping track (we knew that we’d run out the basic part of the bank, or something of the sort), but this is a different situation. The situation is far more advanced and its goal is much higher than any we have ever tried to attain. And you’d better keep track of what the track is like: how many entities are still there,how many of the joiners you’ve gotten out, and keep it straight so that you know what’s been audited and what hasn’t.

PC: I resisted a little too much.

Now, part of this - and a separate section of the track map - has to do with the between-lives sequence, modern. Modern: the last 35,000 years. Some of us walked in rather curiously, I’m sure, and volunteered or something of the sort, and were held in pawn, and some sort of a sequence began to take place. This was in the effort to civilize and fix up earth; somebody else’s effort, not yours.

LRH: You got a real hard one?

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: Yes.

.. we were working on this a little bit the other evening. By the way, when operating this machine, you should have your controls fairly well back when it’s first turned on and so on. You put the cans in the preclear’s hands and then turn on your machine - to keep the needle from hitting the pin too badly. I think new machines will probably have cartridges in them that will blow a fuse, and so you’d have the difficulty of blowing a fuse, which will train you rather quickly. MEST force. And that’s of course, ...

LRH: Would you say this thing's a quarter worn out? Half worn out? What ?

LRH: What’s the matter? What did you think of?

PC: Oh, I'd say about three-quarters worn out on this one first bap.

PC: MEST force, or something like that. LRH: MEST force. Is MEST force bad? PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's all we're interested in at the moment - that one first bap.

LRH: Not so good, is it? PC: Nope.

PC: Yeah. Now that first bap, that's about three-quarters gone now.

LRH: All right. Look, we want to know particularly about the between-lives sequence now. PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. Let's pull it in very rapidly, one right after the other. Pull it in.

LRH: Okay.

PC: On the first bap.

LRH: And immediately we want the between-lives sequence, and looks like this preclear we have here ... And the manifestation of the needle is flicking from the theta-universe manifestation - which is a wide swing-to the between-lives manifestation. Now, there is a very, very nice theta-universe manifestation and he’s got the theta-universe manifestation mixed up with the between-lives manifestation.

LRH: Make it good and solid. Pull it in hard.

PC: Thought I get is it isn’t far to go. LRH: Huh?

PC: I'm getting flattened on it now, Ron.

LRH: Not far to go, huh? PC: That’s right.

LRH: Mm-hm.

LRH: Actually, between lives you could very easily take off for the theta universe, but you’re sort of choked up on it. Now, tell me. When you die - normally when you die on Earth, where do you go?

PC: Now it's just a tendency to dope off (pause) There - there's less counter-effort and more tendency to dope.

PC: Mars.

LRH: All right. Resist it. Push it out now.

LRH: Mm-hm. There’s a nice bop. Okay, let’s put it down on the chart here. Here’s Earth and here is death.

PC: All right, I'm pushing it out.

Okay. Here is Mars up here, so you go flipping up here. It take you very long to get there? PC: Nope.

LRH: Get the sound that goes with it now - sound as it would sound inside the skull.

LRH: Nope.

PC: Must be some sonic shut-off there, or something I can't get through.

PC: Scared as hell, incidentally.

LRH: (pause) Got the resistance of it?

LRH: By the way, were you told to go there? PC: Yep.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You’re supposed to go there. Are you supposed to remember that you’re supposed to go there?

LRH: Just resist it a little harder. Is it practically gone?

PC: Nope.

PC: Yeah, it's - it's going, it's going, it's going.

LRH: But you’re supposed to forget that you’re supposed to rem-. PC: Supposed to remember I’m supposed to forget.

LRH: Attaboy.

LRH: That’s interesting, isn’t it?

Commentator: The needle continues to fluctuate, approximately one point, and gradually moves up across the dial.

PC: Yeah. We hit that one under religion: “Remember, you must always remember.” Kind of surprised when I found out what it was I was supposed to remember.

LRH: Now this time as you run it, get the feeling of affinity break that goes with it.

LRH: Uh-huh. Well, you’re supposed to remember to forget, naturally ... PC: Yep.

PC: With what? Affinity break with ...

LRH: ... I mean, that’s simple. Female voice: Yes, of course. LRH: Effective.

LRH: Well, any affinity change that goes with that bap from the back of the head.

Okay. Now, when you got there in the old days, when you got up there ... [At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

PC: Affinity break with the environment or myself?

LRH: Does one of you still make this trip? PC: Nope.

LRH: No, affinity break between the pineal and the skull.

LRH: Find a body there? Well, let’s just talk about the good old days, then, okay? PC: All right.

PC: Between pineal and the skull. (laugh) My vertebrae always flicker flicker.

LRH: They’re still there, by the way. PC: Yep.

Commentator: The needle has now swung full left.

LRH: But they’re not in very good shape right now, are they? PC: No.

LRH: Mm, okay, All right, get the communication change between the pineal and the skull. (pause)

LRH: Okay. Now, this is Mars. Some pcs will tell you it’s Venus, and maybe there is a show going on in Venus which does more or less the same thing, who knows? Is there a show going on in Venus, too?

Commentator: Needle rising slowly.

PC: It’s a different one.

LRH: Got it?

LRH: Oh, that’s a different show. Do they send people down here to Earth? PC: The thing I get is “Yep, not me.

PC: Sort of.

LRH: Not you, huh? But you know about this? PC: Yep.

LRH: Yeah, now you got it. Get it better.

LRH: Well, that’s fine. What do they do? What are you ... PC: Sort of a competition.

PC: Yeah, I - I got it.

LRH: Oh, there’s a competition between the two. What are the Venus people? What are they trying to do? Huh?

LRH: Good.

PC: Take over.

PC: I thought of a line from The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran.

LRH: They’re trying to take over Earth. Well, what about the Mars people, what are they trying to do?

[R&D note: The Prophet: a book of twenty-six poetic essays by Kahlil Gibran (1883-1931), LebaneseAmerican philosophical essayist, novelist, mystic poet and artist. Published in 1923, The Pro~het became a best-selling book of popular mysticism, and it has been translated into more than a dozen languages. In one o~ the essays, entitled "On Pain," Gibran wrote: "Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding."]

PC: Take over.

LRH: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: "Pain is the breaking of the shell of our understanding."

PC: They’re trying to keep it running, I guess. LRH: Is Venus the new attack?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Yep.

PC: Ha-ha! That fits.

LRH: Mm-hm.

Commentator: A quarter up.

PC: This time I get a little fear riding in here.

PC: In other words, I - I don't like my skull anymore. It just couldn't stand up now. We were running my throat ...

LRH: Oh, you got a little fear. That’s the new attack, huh? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm,

LRH: Has anybody got one of your bodies on Venus? PC: Nope.

Commentator: Slowly rising.

LRH: Nobody has got a body of yours on Venus? Okay. Anybody get a “yes” on that?

PC: That's - those are gone now.

Female voice: Yes.

LRH: Yeah? Good. Get your feeling of reality break - as the pineal - get your feeling of reality break the second that thing hits you.

Male voice: Mm-hm.

PC: Seems to be a postulate: "I don't belong in here."

Female voice: I did.

LRH: Yep. How's the somatic?

LRH: You did.

PC: Oh, it's - it sort of changed into a - a different kind of a somatic. Now it's better, but I mean, you see, it's - it's not the same as it was. You see, it is different. Oh, oh, hey! Oh, my vertebrae! Straightening up, the back of the neck!

Female voice: I think he was getting some of my fear. I think.

LRH: Yeah?

LRH: Which one is the most modern civilization? Which is the newest? PC: Newest is Venus.

PC: It's amazing? (laugh)

LRH: Newest is Venus?

LRH: Yeah?

PC: Yeah.

PC: (laughs) It's a big relief to me, because all my life I've held it like that. (laughs) Real good.

LRH: And Venus has - have electronics down well and ...

LRH: Have you been the pineal?

PC: Yep.

PC: Yeah. You mean this life or - I didn't quite get the gist of the question.

LRH: ... other things?

LRH: This life, have you been the pineal to a large extent?

PC: Yep.

PC: Yes, I have.

LRH: They operate in space? System space? PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm. Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. Who’s the referee in this fight? Is there any? PC: Feeling I get there is “I am.”

Commentator: The needle has dropped down. It's now rising.

LRH: You are. You the referee of this fight7 PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay.

LRH: Does that mean you personally, or Earth? PC: First thought I got on that was “me.

PC: You already knew this, then?

LRH: You?

LRH: Sure. Are there many more baps left on that, the somatic, and so forth?

PC: Yeah.

PC: Many more baps?

LRH: Who are you?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Okay. Next thought is “Earth.” LRH: Well, is it Earth ...

PC: There may be. I - maybe that's an avoid - maybe. (laughing)

PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: Well, is it an avoidance?

LRH: ... or is it you personally? PC: I think it’s me personally.

Commentator: Slight drop here.

LRH: Okay. Good. Tell them to hold off for a while, will you? (audience laughter) PC: All right. That’s what I’ve been doing.

PC: No, I don't think there are very many more.

LRH: You’re not kidding. All right. Now, the old cycle went this way: fellow went back up here and what did he do? Sure, you tell them.

LRH: Well, can't you pick up the remainder of these yourself ...

PC: Get ... LRH: Hm?

PC: All right.

PC: Feel like it’s “get reborn.”

LRH: ... just for the purpose of demonstration?

LRH: Get reborn. Did his body animate or anything happen up there? PC: Woke up.

PC: Yes.

LRH: He woke up. And then what did he do?

LRH: Okay.

PC: This is where we begin to get questioned. I sometimes invalidate my own data on this, because ...

PC: Uh-huh, uh-huh.

LRH: Is this an area of confusion? PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. How about scanning out the session?

LRH: Oh. The questioning is very confusing. Okay.

PC: Scan out the session?

Here, then, is his body awakes. And now we’ve got to report. And here you got ... PC: Seem kind of confused about what’s going on.

LRH: Yeah, scan out this whole session here...

LRH: Confused on questions. Well, what did they do? What did they do?

PC: Okay.

PC: They asked questions, and seems to me that they should know the answers. LRH: Yeah. What’s the purpose in asking the questions?

LRH: ... ever since you came up and I started talking to you.

PC: To confuse me. LRH: Get you confused? PC: Yep.

PC: Okay.

LRH: That’s right. Go to the head of the class. Okay. That’s one of the first mechanisms of hypnotism, by the way: get the subject confused.

Commentator: Needle dropped two points, is now rising. Slight fluctuation, continuing to rise, (pause) hovering about mid-dial. Now a drop of one point, fluctuating back to center, and a drop of one point, fully recovered to the middle of the dial.

Boy, you’re really getting drops on this, aren’t you? All right. What’s the next thing you do? PC: Back to Earth.

LRH: Just give it a lick and a promise.

LRH: Back to Earth. PC: Die again there. LRH: Hm?

Commentator: Slowly rising.

PC: Die again there and come back to Earth.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what’s the procedure? Now, there’s a little bit more to it, I’m sure ... PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You're not hitting those hand pops, are you?

LRH: ... than just you simply coming back to Earth.

PC: No, I...

PC: Yeah, I get on this - come back to Earth - select a body, take over.

LRH: Did you hit them?

[Professional course booklet 17 begins with the session given in the Theta Body Demo lecture and continues it with this session starting here as if they were all part of the same session.]

PC: What? What?

LRH: Do you get instructions, specific instructions on anything? PC: Yeah, what to do.

LRH: When I slapped my hands?

LRH: What to do? Are you stuck someplace in this? PC: Yep.

PC: No, I'm not hitting those.

LRH: Where?

LRH: Uh-huh. How about you straightwiring that?

PC: Somewhere in the middle of the instructions.

PC: Okay.

LRH: What do they do in the middle of the instructions? PC: Thought I get is that they get confused.

LRH: All right. Thanks.

LRH: They start to act confused? PC: Yep.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm. And what’s that do to your confusion? PC: Really picks it up.

LRH: [to machine operator] Was there any rise in tone apparent on this machine, or any rise or drop?

LRH: Yeah. And then what do they do? PC: They say to go.

Machine Operator: All the way through, all the way through.

LRH: They tell you to forget it or anything there? PC: Yes.

LRH: Continuous rise on the scale.

LRH: Is there any command there to forget your past life that you’ve just lived? PC: Boy, I get the first-beautiful first line of a prayer coming in strong.

Machine Operator: Mm-hm.

LRH: Coming in strong. What are you supposed to do? Now, what’s the prayer?

LRH: This is an example, then, of Effort Processing as used in the reduction of heavy Facsimile One.

PC: just a sec while I get it. “You shall remember the Lord, thy God, all the days of thy life,” and thought this - this - or something or other. Oh, everything will be hunky-dory, and so forth. And this is the same one we ran into, or I ran into, in the middle of what I thought to be Fac One, first time.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It got tangled up with that. LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I was kind of startled when I found out what it was I was remembering. LRH: Mm-hm. Does this knock out the past life that you just left?

PC: No. Makes me forget it. LRH: Makes you forget it. PC: Yeah.

LRH: Why do you forget it?

PC: Because I’m remembering to forget it.

LRH: Mm-hm. You have to remember to forget it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What else do you have to do about this? Anything else? How about your skills, vocation? PC: You have to relearn all this.

LRH: Oh, you’re told you have to relearn everything. PC: Yeah.

LRH: Great. Fine, fine. Now, confused questioning, and told to relearn, and you’re told to forget.

PC: Seem to have been bothered some in this lifetime, though; I don’t like schools.

LRH: Past life. Yeah, you probably knew all this scenery. After a guy learns arithmetic a hundred times, it gets to be awfully ... You start to rebel and somebody says, “two times two,” and you say it’s eight, or anything.

Female voice: I came up with five. LRH: Okay.

PC: Three point nine-nine.

LRH: Now, what goes on there? You forget - forget your past lives and so forth? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. And then what happens?

PC: The thought I get there is then down to Earth and find a body; it’s apparently been selected. LRH: Mm-hm. How’s it selected? You given a street and number or anything like that?

PC: No. Seem to be tuned in on it. LRH: Oh? Tuned in on the body.

PC: Yeah. The damn feeling I get is just about - scooting in just about like an arrow - floating right in on it.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Like a homing pigeon, almost. LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Or a guided - guided missile homing in. LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yep.

LRH: And there it is, right sex, right everything. PC: Yep.

LRH: Yeah. Fine. All tailor-made. At what period in the development of that body is this? PC: Just before birth.

LRH: That’s right. Okay.

But here goes the body to sleep again, huh? Or is it you are told you’re dead?

PC: No. Sleep - about the only thing. Suspended animation, something like that, but not dead. LRH: Mm-hm. Okay.

PC: Never die.

LRH: Right. And then you depart, huh? PC: Yep.

LRH: How many - how long are you there, generally? PC: You mean back there?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I guess ten minutes.

LRH: About ten minutes? Mm-hm. Female voice: He’s busy.

LRH: Not very long, is it? PC: Damn busy trip.

LRH: Okay. So, here we go.

Is that a specific time before birth? Ten minutes, fifteen hours, twenty hours, a hundred hours, two days? What is it?

PC: Ten minutes sounds about right. LRH: About ten minutes. That’s right. PC: Yep.

LRH: Okay. Ten minutes. What - what would you say this span is between death and birth again?

PC: Ten minutes.

LRH: About that. That’s right. Sometimes fifteen. Ah! PC: I’m in a hurry.

LRH: And this is birth; here we go again. That’s interesting. Now, is there anything wrong with your telling me about this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What’s liable to happen? PC: Not supposed to tell.

LRH: Who said so?

PC: They.

LRH: They said so.

PC: This is during conditioning. LRH: Is this early conditioning? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Now, how did you get into that rat race in the first place?

PC: It was all part of an experiment which I’m interested in conducting. LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what...

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.] PC: ... theta universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: First slide over into MEST universe - this is something we ran about - be about five, six days ago.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yep. Slide over into the MEST universe as an experiment, to see what it’s like to control things in the MEST universe.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Not control them, but to - well, to operate - get to know it better if you’re in it ... LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: ... than you can from without.

LRH: Mm-hm. You’re talking like this is a sales talk from somebody. PC: That’s exactly the way I got it.

LRH: That is a sales talk. Okay. How did you get into this last thirty-five-thousand year ... How long ago was it by the way, when you met up with these Martians?

PC: It’s thirty thousand, I said that the other night. LRH: About thirty thousand.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. How long did you report back? What’s the last time you reported back? Any entity or beingness of yourself ? What was the last time you reported?

PC: One week ago.

LRH: About a week ago. Mm-hm. Was that about a week ago? Day ago? Day ago? Week ago? PC: Mm-day ago. Day ago or week ago; it - they both seem to be okay.

LRH: Both seem to be okay. PC: Yeah.

LRH: Welt, you recall that I sent you up there the other night. PC: That was a day. But a week ago it also happened.

LRH: Oh, it also happened about a week ... PC: Yeah, that was when I was getting audited. LRH: Pretty rough? Okay.

PC: We’ve been blowing things.

LRH: But I mean, to find a live body and go on through the routine. PC: Oh, no, that’s a day ago.

LRH: You did a day ago? Find the body and go through the whole routine? PC: Yeah. No, I didn’t go through the routine. No.

LRH: You found a body. PC: Yeah.

LRH: That’s right.

PC: Found one waiting around.

LRH: Okay. Okay. Now, this whole cycle has been going on for a long time, now, hasn’t it? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Would you sort of say you must be, thetawise, completely indestructible to take all of this?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Gee, you mean these aberrations we’ve got and so forth aren’t quite as important as we thought they were.

PC: Nope.

LRH: Neither would be this hypnotism or anything else. Look at how many times it could happen to you.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why, you’d think that’d normally kill a person, to get hit this many times, wouldn’t you? PC: To die again could kill a normal guy.

LRH: Normal guy. Yep.

Now, here you have then, your life-death, death-life cyclic action. The various other periods that have happened in history similar to this are not too dissimilar from it. It’s a pattern: MEST universe gets itself in a rut very easily, so on.

Now, in the MEST universe various other strange things have happened to people than what I’ve pointed out on the track between this between-lives cycle. This cycle is really much more important to an individual than many others, but it doesn’t ride timelessly. It has the characteristic of putting somebody on a time track, doesn’t it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: What we’re calling Fac One is important because it floats somebody off of a time track. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, therefore, Fac One has a timeless characteristic. But this thing has a well-timed characteristic. What happens when you do the same action over and over and over? You took up in the Axioms and you find out that’s a static, so each one of these cycles has a tendency to be. Now, do you consider this sort of static?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. How long you been on Earth? Oh, you already gave me that. You’ve thought about that.

Now what’s this business about Venus? PC: just another group.

LRH: How did you get caught in this - you didn’t tell me the answer to that question. How did you get caught in this rat race?

PC: This one?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: ... thought is I get captured. LRH: Did you volunteer?

PC: Nope.

LRH: Were you captured? PC: Yep.

LRH: What else did they say?

PC: Didn’t say anything else at all.

LRH: just captured. Shot down here? PC: Knocked down. Okay.

LRH: Mm-hm. Here we go. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Now, had you been free just before you were captured? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm. Had you been free for a while? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Proud of yourself? PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. Did you “know” just before you were captured?

PC: First thing on it is “Yes” and followed by a real big “No. Better not.” LRH: Okay.

PC: There it goes!

LRH: There it goes on the machine.

Okay - now. Now, who’s this that’s very interested there in Venus? Somebody spoke up around here.

Female voice: I did.

LRH: Well, you give her the cans and let’s find out what happens around there. [to male pc] Okay, thank you very much.

LRH: Now, anybody... What did you do since the last time you run this thing? Did you run anything?

PC: I’ve been doing some running ... [unintelligible] LRH: OK. I’m not embarrassing ... [unintelligible] OK. PC: Theta bop ... [unintelligible]

LRH: ... [unintelligible]

PC: Well, we put them back up the line again. LRH: Okay. Do you have a body on Venus? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, what do you know? You got a body on Venus that’s in pawn; that is to say, something holding it?

PC: Mmm ...

LRH: Did you try this

PC: ... it’s operating, but it’s kind of in pawn, too. LRH: Oh, it’s operating.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It’s walking around?

PC: Mmm. Mentally functioning, not physically. LRH: Oh, it’s functioning mentally.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Do they tell it things to tell you?

PC: No. I just - I’m communicating with it, but it’s ... LRH: Can you communicate with it right this minute? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. What’s it looking at right this minute? Boy, are you communicating with it! Look at that drop!

PC: It’s looking at a desk chart, not with graphs, but - how can I describe it? Sort of button lights is about the best thing I can do.

LRH: Button-light graph.

PC: Uh-huh. In the functioning of it, it just thinks which light it wants to light to perform certain duties and ...

LRH: Could you push it? When are you supposed to push it? Are you supposed to push it, or supposed to not to?

PC: No, whenever I feel it’s necessary. LRH: Are you under orders to push it? PC: Well, I’m jerking like mad, Ron.

LRH: Are you under a - now, just a minute. Are you under a signal basis? PC: Yes.

LRH: Are you a communication channel? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Are you a comm point?

PC: A type - I’m more of a relay point.

LRH: Relay point. Relay point between Earth and Venus? PC: In a way, yeah.

LRH: In a way. Now, did you ever hear of space station 33? PC: No. Fifty-six.

LRH: Space station 56. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You in space station 56? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. You ever in communication with space station 33? PC: No, nothing to do with it.

LRH: This machine says that you are. PC: Well, I don’t like him!

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.] PC: I do things my way.

LRH: That’s bad, huh?

PC: No, I think it’s good to do things my way. LRH: Who is space station 33 commanded by? PC: A man.

LRH: Uh-huh. What’s his name? PC: Oh, I - blah - I can’t say it. Uh ... LRH: Well, you got a name.

PC: Numbers there.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It doesn’t mean the same as here. LRH: Doesn’t, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you ever hear of Arohohn?

[Professional Course booklet 17 spells this name Arol Olen.] PC: No.

LRH: No? Arohohn. Never heard of him, huh? PC: No.

LRH: Is he on space station 33?

PC: I got a no and a yes and a no on that one. LRH: You’re not supposed to tell, are you?

PC: No, it’s a big secret. LRH: Big secret.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What’s the matter with Arohohn? PC: He’s a jerk.

LRH: You don’t like him, huh? Well, he’s not the fellow on your operating board at 33 - he’s in command of 33, isn’t he?

PC: Yeah, but ...

LRH: You don’t like him, huh?

PC: They don’t know anything. Men don’t know how to organize things. LRH: Is he in command of your 56?

PC: Yes. Men don’t know how -

LRH: They don’t know how to organize well, do they? PC: No, they sure don’t.

LRH: Particularly if they’re working on Earth. PC: Anyplace.

LRH: All right.

Picking up this story about this Venus contact. What is this Venus contact, now? You’ve got space station 33 and space station 56. Were there other space stations there?

PC: Oh, yeah, about two hundred of them altogether, I think. LRH: Two hundred of them.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which is central?

PC: Well, one - they’ve got the system worked out so it goes in odd numbers. One, three, five and then it goes into the twenty-three, twenty-five. There are - I mean, it is set up on relays from the odd numbers and then there’s major relay points from ...

LRH: What do they communicate? PC: Instructions.

LRH: Well, come on. Give me a sample dispatch. PC: Oh!

LRH: Well, give me a sample dispatch.

PC: uh ... Well, there’s terrific conflict here.

LRH: You want me to show you a dispatch you sent about a half an hour ago? Oh, you didn’t send one a half an hour ago. You sent one about forty minutes ago.

PC: About twenty minutes ago I was to go asleep - I nearly did - while you were talking before. LRH: Mm-hm. Had to concentrate, didn’t you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How does it feel to run two bodies?

PC: Well, being in such close contact, which I’ve never done before, it feels very odd. Like ... LRH: Confusing, is it?

PC: Distressing. I’m not quite used to it yet.

LRH: Is this Venusian effort mainly directed at - mainly directed at a conquest of Earth? PC: Well, it’s kind of indirect conquest of Mars.

LRH: Indirect conquest of Mars. What’s wrong with Earth?

PC: Well, it’s more or less of a focal maneuvering point. You know, like the Aleutian Islands, I or something like that, I mean ...

LRH: Earth isn’t important in this sequence, is it?

PC: Only as a matter of getting at Mars through the back door or sideways, or something like that.

LRH: Hm. Nobody in this whole crew is interested in Earth, are they? PC: Mm-no, not really.

LRH: What’s Earth? Boy, are you shaking.

PC: You’re telling me! I’m not looking at the dial.

LRH: Okay. Well ... My, am I taking information here that I shouldn’t take? PC: How right you are!

LRH: Well, believe me, I can take it. Don’t ...

PC: I don’t know if I can take any more of this or not, though. LRH: Were you operating directly contrary to orders7

PC: Mm-just about as direct as you can get it. (sigh)

LRH: Mm-hm. What if you had a dispatch cleared through your hands right now that said okay?

PC: Mmm-it just wouldn’t come. I mean, that’s ...

LRH: It wouldn’t huh? All right, we’ll continue with this. Earth isn’t important, then, to Venus, is it?

PC: Not to them - capturing it and using it. LRH: What’s the matter with Earth?

PC: It doesn’t have anything to offer. I mean, they can’t do anything. LRH: Too heavy?

PC: They’re stupid.

LRH: Gravity too heavy down here?

PC: Yeah, but I mean, we could overcome that. It’s this civilization isn’t developed enough to make any use out of it particularly.

LRH: Mm-hm. What, is this a prison planet? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is that one of the reasons you shy off of it? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is one of your general orders not to land on Earth? PC: Unless necessary.

LRH: Unless an emergency. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Who signed the general order? PC: Oh, two people.

LRH: How long has it been outstanding? PC: The orders?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Oh, about two thousand years, anyway. LRH: Two thousand, anyway.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Two thousand anyway? Is that all? PC: Well ...

LRH: How about ten thousand? PC: More like six to eight.

LRH: That’s longer than you’ve been around there. PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is your concentration making you neglect the board? PC: Yeah. I’m getting hell ...

LRH: Is there a dispatch sitting on that board? PC: Yeah, I’m getting hell for it, too.

LRH: Well, clear it.

PC: “Drop the cans!” (laugh)

LRH: How long have you been a communications relay point down here? PC: Mm-Oh, how long have I been down here?

LRH: How long-how long... PC: I’ve just been here from...

LRH: ... have you been a communications relay point? PC: About two thousand years.

LRH: Mm-hm. You’ve been going through the Earth line for two thousand yearc? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Have you been going through the Earth line two thousand years? PC: Yeah.

LRH: Longer?

PC: No, not going through the Earth line but only about two, three thousand years as a communications ...

LRH: You’ve been a communications point down here for the last generation? PC: Oh, yeah. Longer than that.

LRH: Did it happen in this life?

PC: Mm-hm, yeah.

LRH: Yeah. At the beginning of this life? PC: Before this life.

LRH: Oh, it happened before this life? PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about 1780? PC: More like 1860.

LRH: Been here since 1860. PC: Yeah.

LRH: You’re not giving me the hot dope. PC: Trying hard not to.

LRH: Trying hard not to, huh? And making sense too. PC: (laugh)

LRH: Well, you’re in very safe hands. Do you think the back of Mars is busted?

[Professional Course booklet 17 says “Do you think the Bank of Mars is busted?”, but the tape is poor quality - Ed.]

PC: No, that’s the difficulty.

LRH: Well, what about the operation that took place around here recently? PC: Which one?

LRH: Oh, I’d say their control of Mars - control of Earth is certainly kind of busted up here a little bit.

PC: Mm-hm, some slight extent. Amidst ... LRH: Well, what about the next step?

PC: ... the confusion, but the government is still pretty solid.

LRH: On Mars, still pretty solid. What do you get on the board on it? PC: A lot of red lights flickering right across the top of the board.

LRH: What do you see?

PC: Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

LRH: You got a viewer there that demonstrates anything on Mars? Anything going on, on Mars?

PC: No.

LRH: Is there one available? What are you, a communications operator? PC: Yeah, a relay ...

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, you know the dispatches that come through there. PC: Mm-I’d say that this confusion ...

LRH: Lot of activity?

PC: There’s about two or three other groups trying to come in, but the main central or governing group, so to speak, has - is still pretty much functioning.

LRH: They upset lately? PC: Yeah.

LRH: What are they upset about, I wonder? PC: Oh, they feel we’re getting too close.

LRH: Who’s getting too close? PC: We are.

LRH: Venus.

PC: Uh ...

LRH: Venusians.

PC: No, not Venus.

LRH: Earth?

PC: Dianetics.

LRH: Well, it ought to be. All right. Now, let me ...

PC: They don’t call it that up there. That was the dispatch - why the hesitation. LRH: Uh-huh. They don’t call it that up there.

PC: Hm.

LRH: They didn’t have it up there, did they? PC: No, they don’t have it up there.

LRH: That’s right. All right. Now, would you say offhand .. What did you get a surge on? PC: (laugh)

LRH: Am I going up against a communicator’s oath here? PC: Yeah. A bridge [breach?] of oath, ethics, and ...

LRH: Mm.

PC: ... anything else ou want to call it.

LRH: And I’m going right straight up against it. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Was this implanted into you in some fashion or other, and that’s why you’re shaking? PC: Yeah - I’m kind of made with it - so to speak.

LRH: Mm-hm. It’s fighting back? PC: Yeah.

LRH: When was it installed?

PC: When I was first given the communications job. LRH: Mm-hm. You been faithful to it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Tell me, is there any sex amongst these people? PC: Of a type, but not sex as we know it.

LRH: No. Do you breathe air up there? PC: No.

LRH: Do you eat food?

PC: Absorb it, is the thought I got, rather than ... LRH: So it’s an electronic body ...

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ... with a mind.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Imagine that. What’s the temperature in the domes? PC: About 250 to 280.

LRH: 250 to 280 what?

PC: (laugh) I don’t want to tell you! I guess you’d say centigrade. I don’t know.

LRH: How does it feel on your skin? Feel about the same as this room feels on your skin? Cooler?

PC: Mm ...

LRH: Hotter?

PC: It’s about the same, maybe a little warmer but certainly comfortable. LRH: Mm-hm. That’s more or less correct. What’s on the back of the moon? PC: People. Of a type - living organisms.

LRH: What’s the number of the station on the back of the moon? PC: Thirty-three!

LRH: That’s correct. Okay.

And so we conclude this evening’s lecture (audience laughter) and I wish to show you there - this is some of the action in which we have been involved and by the way, her answers are all correct. Very good. Very good show. You probably would have been shot tomorrow morning if you’d answered otherwise. (audience laughter)

PC: I’ll probably be shot tomorrow morning or dismembered and put together again, anyways. LRH: Why?

PC: For giving up some of this information.

LRH: Oh, no. No, it cleared through control central. PC: Okay. I’ll take your word for it, tonight.

Now, we’re here talking about auditing, not politics. (audience laughter) And none of you people would, of course, be political pawns - naturally not. And some of the things which you experience and some of the conflicts which go on would, of course, be completely unbelievable to many, since it’s supposed to be that way. But an auditor can break through any of this and break through it badly.

What will happen as a result of this is quite interesting. I would advise you, as soon as possible, to become as Clear as possible because ... Well, one never knows, does one? And it would be very, very nice to have on Earth a very sane society which was highly constructive and which was capable of carrying on without an impetus and without orders from elsewhere.

This would actually be just a monkey society if nobody had ever taken a hand in it, I suppose. But I’m not here to theorize and I’m not here to guess. I’m just talking to you about Dianetics and Scientology. And what I know about these things is, of course, very slight, and I hope that you will invest quite a bit of time in auditing.

And merely as an aside, in order to protect your preclear against suddenly having nightmares or something of the sort - regardless of whether you believe it or not or place any credence in it or not - just encourage him to knock off those bodies that he has that are extra bodies elsewhere. It’s not that it’s merely upsetting to the Martian regime; it is not that it is very effective in restoring his health, but you certainly cannot expect an individual who is pinned down someplace and can be put under pain from a remote distance, to become Clear. So just encourage him to knock them off.

Actually, they knock off relatively easily; the operation has been going on too long. And completely as aside, don’t worry about flying saucers.

Thank you very much.