. . . you graduate them right on upstairs. You have a hell of a time the first time. He doesn't do it well; he sweats and strains. An apple on Keep It from Going Away was perfectly easy, and by the time you got it into Hold It Still, you were — god, the whole first series of six on a total automaticity. And every time he mocked up an apple it went wiggle-woggle-waffle-boomp and started shooting out the windows and everything. And he managed to mock up a fish net and grab hold of it and bring it back and something like this, you know. Doesn't matter what randomity occurred. Now all of a sudden you're going to go on to the same object and you're simply going to blandly tell him to hold them still. Well, you're asking for some loses, perhaps, but the truth of the matter is you get there faster, rather than validating his difficulty with the automaticity.
So you ask him to hold them still. And you could even go so far as, "Come on, just for a minute, so that you know you did it — just for an instant."
And the fellow finally will figure out something: "Well, if I take a quick drag of breath like that, just for an instant, it'd stand still just for the instant I — and I did it because I did — yeah, I can do that. Yeah. Got it."
Male voice: You want a completely null object. No needle movement whatsoever.
What would you do if you couldn't find one? You would take the nullest object.
Okay.
Second male voice: Could this possibly be run without an E-Meter?
Yes, but I'm afraid that you would get eyestrain watching the preclear's reactions, trying to sort out the null objects and all of that sort of thing. I'm not going to tell you it can't be done because I have done it. And the processes were done originally totally without an E-Meter. And I found out an E-Meter did this: It gave us a greater security, let us get into less trouble and let me get into less trouble, you see. And in addition to that — in addition to that, ran so much faster. An E-Meter cut the time down by about two-thirds. You had to be so sure it was null that you often unflattened it and unflattened it and unflattened it. There are liabilities to running it without an E-Meter, but it can be run.
Yes?
Male voice: In picking the six null objects, would you pick all six before you ran the first one on Keep It from Going Away?
No. No, you do not. You pick them one at a time.
Male voice: You pick one, keep it from going away. Another one, keep it from going away . . .
Right.
Male voice: . . . and so forth?
Right.
Male voice: All right. Would you pick them according to increasing size . . . ?
Yeah, you always ask for a bigger one.
Male voice: Okay.
So the guy gave you a universe the first time — he's sunk. Got it?
Male voice: Got it.
All right.
Second male voice: You mentioned different body locations with reference to the individual — you know, one in front of and one behind . . .
Right. Right. And the reason for that is a thetan is a 360-degree sphere — vision. And he's so used to looking through eyeballs that you get him out of this quite incidentally.
There are, by the way, a tremendous number of side effects that are built into these processes. You're handling fifteen, twenty phenomena every time you handle one. This has really been grooved down, here, from the standpoint of side effects, you see.
Yes?
Male voice: He said to the right or the left of the individual. You said to the right or the left, front, back of the body when you were speaking of it.
Yeah, body, body, body. Yeah. All right.
Yes?
Second male voice: Does he have to stay interior like that when he's putting them around his body? Or can he get out in back, and you know . . .
I don't know, I'd hate to run mock-ups inside a body.
Second male voice: Yeah, but what I mean is, can he get in back of the body and still mock these gadgets up around him ?
Why, sure.
Second male voice: All right.
Matter of fact, I've had so little to do with this body the last week or two that I — it's practically fallen apart. And in doing a little bit of patch-up and so forth, why, I started throwing mock-ups around it and found it was quite interesting: I found out I was getting a lash-back from the body, a rather definite lash-back from the body, which was restraining some facets of exteriorization, don't you see?
There's always a few more viewpoints stuck in the body, you got the idea? And if you don't work those viewpoints out of the body, why, the guy is still trapped. See?
He's not here, and it doesn't matter — he was an HGC preclear, but on this putting it around in various places, this person was being run on Step 6 by a staff auditor. And he is a bow and arrow expert, he is an archery boy — he goes out and kills deer with them and so forth. And he got into more trouble last Thursday than anybody has gotten into for a long time, just on the same thing you're asking about. He all of a sudden started to plow into existence viewpoints, remote viewpoints, which were parked all around the body, and these things came live and could see much better than he could. As a result, when he went out on the range — I think Thursday night he went out and did a little bow-and-arrowing — he could see the bow and it looked like it was shooting over this way, you see, and from another viewpoint he was watching a target which was over there, but the target was way over there and the bow was way over here and he couldn't get a bow lined up with a target. And he had about fifteen or twenty remote viewpoints alive at the same time, so he didn't know whether he was back here holding the bow . . .
Male voice: Shooting himself.
... or shooting at himself or what. And this all came about just by freeing remote viewpoints out of the body, by placing mock-ups in proximity to the body, not the thetan. Got it?
Male voice: Yeah.
All right.
Male voice: Thanks.
Yes.
Male voice: About how long is this Step 6?
About how long?
Male voice: How many hours? I mean, between what and what?
In running Step 6? Well, it's run anywhere from — right now I can only tell you the existing figures.
Male voice: Hmm.
And they are from ten — a rather incomplete job, but it turned out to be a satisfactory one — and thirty-two.
Male voice: Between ten and thirty-two.
Yeah. On Step 6 only.
Male voice: Yeah. I was just sort of thinking, we aren't — if we don't have these E-Meters, are we going to get enough time in on this?
Oh yes. You've got — I think it's seventy-nine hours per person, because we have allowed a factor of safety there of 100 percent. See that?
The only place you're liable to run into any real trouble is, there is undoubtedly somebody here who will make the process control the preclear, rather than himself. And he may have to go clear back to the beginning and do it all over again, because he'll get into Step 6 and he'll start running, and the meter will at once tell him there's something real random here. And the only real answer to that is just go right back to the beginning and carry on through again.
You will probably be doing this on a patch-up basis on a twenty-five hour basis, when you get out of here. You'll just sort of drop it at the end of twenty-five hours and say, "Well, that's that," and then let the guy flounder on out of the rest of it in the next few weeks. Evidently that happens, see. It's interesting. I mean, after you've done this to somebody they kind of walk through the labyrinth afterwards just as though they were going on being audited. They get up to the conclusions that they would have gotten up to with another fifteen hours of auditing, don't you see? They eventually go. It's like starting to launch something — not at Cape Canaveral — but it's like starting to launch something, and it just keeps on going, regardless.
Any other questions with regard to this? Yes?
Male voice: Yeah. On this Step 8 — Make Some Time — is that to stabilize a preclear or what?
You didn't hear me. There aren't any; we look in vain here for a Step 8.
Male voice: I noticed in Clear Procedure that. .
Ah, you're not doing Clear Procedure.
Male voice: Okay.
If you've been listening to me in the last hour thinking I was describing Clear Procedure, look at it again. Because you are not even auditing out of the book Clear Procedure. It is not the same process.
Second male voice: What's Step 5?
In our intensive of the 19th ACC we are calling Step 5 — this can cause some confusion — it is Creative Processing.
Second male voice: Oh. So — okay.
I see what you're up against. You're comparing this to Clear Procedure. You went to a congress and you heard me lay it down the line at a congress, and then you come here and you hear me lay another one down the line, and you think I'm laying the same one down the line. And I'm not laying it down the line. I'm laying down a process here for a professional auditor; in the congress I laid them down for anybody. You get that?
Audience: Yeah.
You understand the difference, now, between what I laid down in Clear Procedure, the booklet, and what I talked about at the congress? That is couched at somebody out here knowing a few technical terms, no great training in auditing. They'll inevitably get hold of that booklet and they will have to go up those steps. And we have to have a good surety.
And that's something like you take this cylinder that's supposed to handle some gas, and the cylinder has been well tested and we know that it will handle this gas under pressure, so then we tape it up. And then after we've taped it up, why, we put an additional casting on the outside of it and we pack it down real safe in earth and then we say, "Here, it's safe." And we consider the naked cylinder safe in your hands. We pay you that compliment, don't you see?
But letting this other one out into the public, you might say, there are certain things that these people would have to be very, very careful of, that you would consider anybody absolutely nuts if they weren't careful of it, and it will be brand-new news to these people. See? "What, you don't kick a preclear?" you know? It's not the same procedure that's laid down. They will get there on Clear Procedure, but they won't get there that fast. That's for sure. Not by a ratio of five to one hours. See?
Any other questions? Okay. You know all about it now, huh?
Very interesting that none of you have asked me anything about the only tough part of Clear Procedure. The only tough part is the delicacy and imagination which is required to clean up a field so somebody can see pictures. Now, that's tough. That requires real on-the-ball auditing.
Yes?
Male voice: You made it sound so simple we just took it for granted we could all do it like that.
All right. You go ahead and do it just like that. But you'll find out that it is not something you will get off a sheet. That's something you've got to look at and be sensible about and work with and be very patient with, because an invalidation at that point can throw a guy into the basement.
Male voice: What would happen, Ron, if you had somebody who had a black field, and yet who had a good solid certainty of getting mock-ups even though he could not see them with the visual perceptics sort of a thing, and you went ahead and ran the Creative Process on him anyway?
Well, now, that hasn't been done. We have taken it on the basis that if he's got a black field he is obsessively keeping the blackness from going away.
Now, the last field of blackness which I cleared up, I cleared up so spectacularly easily I don't think there's any use straining at it. And that is to say, I merely had the fellow mock up on six sides of the body a hand with a pinch of blackness between the fingers and had him keep the hand from going away and keep the blackness from disappearing. And we did it for about eight or nine passes and all of a sudden he says, "What blackness?" He was getting beautiful, flesh-colored mock-ups of arms and hands and so forth, and all of a sudden he said, "I'm putting those there. Heh-heh-heh-heh." And that was the end of the black field.
This black field, by the way, had been resistive to every other process. You know, the person had been processed on all the Objective Processes, and he still had a black field. So it was one of those rough black fields.
Male voice: I'm wondering — the picture you drew at the congress, how to repair the field when the guy's unconscious and the field has holes in it, and I missed on this one.
Well, it — there's no reason, particularly, to go over it. There's so many phenomena which occur in handling a black field that to even catalog them would be — would be a long job.
Male voice: What would I do with this particular case then?
You would just get a black terminal and have him shove it into the body. He would undoubtedly start going anaten, and you would keep right on running it.
And the whole phenomena has come up twice in the last two weeks at the HGC. Fellow lay awake all night long trying to plug up the holes in his black field in one case, which — I consider this was very, very amusing. And every time one would "eat through," as he described it, floods of facsimiles would pour in upon him and he would plug the hole back up again. All night long he was at this. Came in the next morning to be audited, utterly exhausted. Had a remedy of black terminals, and the black field disappeared entirely. And no facsimiles poured in upon him, which left him very mystified.
Yes?
Female voice: When you say "cleaning up the field," just to what point do you consider the field cleaned up? To the point that he can make mock-ups easily or . . . ?
He's got to be able to make and see a mock-up.
Female voice: All right, but if he can do that anyway, then you wouldn't have to clean it up.
That's right. If he can make and see a mock-up you wouldn't have to clean up the field. That's right. But this is your point of judgment, see? And yet, what I've just said is not a law or a rule. See?
Male voice: Ron, you made a point at the congress about a chap who was getting his mock-ups against a field; he was looking at them against his eyelids.
Yeah.
Male voice: In that case when you cleaned up a field, what would be the end result? He would be able to see the mock-up even from the beginning.
Yeah.
Male voice: But when you got the field — cleaned up the field, he'd have the mock-up outside . . .
Mm-hm.
Male voice: . . . and does it matter if he's still got it against something?
No. You see, he's merely using the against-something to keep the mock-up from going away. He has settled upon a final answer on this. He says, "If I mock up a mock-up against an eyelid it won't go away; if I mock it up against a door, it won't go away; if I mock it up against the ceiling, it won't go away." You see, he's just got an automaticity. Well, as you start to run him on "Mock up a girl and keep her from going away," well, he'll mock it up happily against his eyelid, you know.
"Yeah," he'd say, "I kept her from going away. I mocked her up against my eyelid."
And that's all right with you and you go right on around and you say, "Mock it up behind you."
And he can't find anything to mock it up against and he finally — he finally says, "Well, let's see," and struggle, struggle, struggle. And eventually he keeps this girl from going away himself; and at that moment he quits this trick. You see?
Now, here is the variable point of the procedure, see? I wouldn't begin to catalog the number of odds and ends of phenomena that you will run into in trying to clean up a field. There's phenomena there. See, that's all weird. You clean up a black field and get a skyrocket field. And you clean up a skyrocket field and you get a red field. And you clean up the red field and you get a green field. And you say, "Aw, to hell with it, can you see a mock-up?"
The fellow will say, "Well, yes, I could always see a mock-up."
Now, although I could tell you the end cognition he comes to when it's safe to leave all this, there's no sense much in doing so. But there's no harm in telling you either. Because you could artificially come to this condition, and if it wasn't so and you just said, "I can do this," and you couldn't do it, why, it's very, very manifest. A person begins to be able to do all these things after a while by postulate only. Well, that's one state that is reached. And you know that, then, that you have walked upstairs a good long distance.
To get somebody to just be able to keep something from going away, just to be — and below that, just to be able to see something, and below that, just to be able to be under control enough so that he can do this on command, you see? These are all steps that are achieved.
You are all through when you can run the person on Keep It from Going Away, six objects, and Keep It from Going Away nice and easy, you know, without a single kick on the E-Meter. And Hold It Still on six objects without a single kick on the E-Meter. And Hold It — and Make It More Solid, six objects without a single kick on the E-Meter — that's it. See, that's it. For that state of Earth — you know, mest Clear, boy, that's good enough. You know, boy, that's really good enough.
So it doesn't depend on what he says at all. You couldn't care less.
Now, he could know intellectually what all these things are, you see, without knowing them subjectively. And that's fine. Any one of you at this moment could (quote) "mock yourself up as Clear." You see? And after you've audited it for a little while without it being audited on you at all, you could put up an awfully good front, you see, as being Clear. There'd be nothing wrong with doing that at all, but the truth of the matter is there would be no subjective backup. You might appear very positive, but you would have a doubt. You see?
Well, that grades on down to the point of where the fellow even thinks he's certain. You know? But fortunately we have a totally mechanical test for it. You know, we never had a test for state of Clear before. And I have just given you one, just now: Take any six objects and keep them from going away, any six objects and hold them still, any six objects and make them more solid without a tremor on an E-Meter. And if he can do that, why, you've got it made.
As a matter of fact, that probably will be a little better than the state of Clear which will be at once reached here in class. Because it'll smooth out from the end of your class — reach on. You'll probably get a kick on something. You could probably still get an E-Meter reaction from somebody on something. You could say, "Keep Ron from going away," or ... And the guy would get some kind of a kick, up or down.
Male voice: Would you clue me on Repair of Havingness for an unconscious preclear?
Pardon, now?
Male voice: Would you clue me on Repair of Havingness for an unconscious preclear?
Right. Repair of Havingness on an unconscious preclear is possible only when he has gone unconscious from Repair of Havingness. In other words, you cannot take an unconscious preclear, walk up to him and start to run Repair of Havingness and expect much to happen. But the person was awake and alert and you did start to repair havingness, and as you ran it he went unconscious. The funny part of it is he follows you all the way through. He doesn't give a quiver, he's so much out of control of the body he couldn't make it twitch, but he does follow the commands all the way through. As a matter of fact, if you just run it until he's conscious again and don't run it flat, he is liable to forget the session and still have a clear field from there on.
And you say, "Do you remember that session we ran on Tuesday?"
He'll say, "What session?"
"The one where you went unconscious while we were pushing black masses into the body."
"No, I don't remember any such session; you didn't do that to me."
That's because blackness is a symbol of not-know. That's why they go unconscious on blacknesses.
Yes?
Male voice: Will an E-Meter register on an unconscious person?
Oh yes. Yes. Yes. There's probably no such thing as an absolute unconsciousness. There's some thetan's wish. You know that if you tested the depth of sleep from person to person, it could be tested with an E-Meter. It's just how much do they register on an E-Meter while they're asleep.
And you know that you can strap E-Meter terminals to people's feet? It doesn't bother them; get the same readings. And you would find that some people registered and some people didn't, all in greater and lesser degree. And it would be a direct test of depth of sleep. How asleep is the person or thetan while the body is asleep. That answer it?
Male voice: Thank you.
You bet.
Okay. Do you know the difference between a Repair of Havingness and a Remedy of Havingness?
Audience: (various responses)
Well, a Repair of Havingness is simply "Shove it into the body," and a Remedy of Havingness is "Shove it in and throw it away." Both things accomplished. Do you know why we're not now talking about a Remedy of Havingness? It's because Keep It from Going Away takes care of the ability to throw it away.
I know one case that, had we known this, that person would be in good shape today. But that person's no longer with us. It's just totally stemmed on a Remedy of Havingness. The person could not remedy havingness easily. Could not. Pull them in, but not throw them away. Couldn't get rid of anything. Of course, I guess you should never feel bad about not knowing something back then. All right.
I'm getting very, very good reports on your class activities. And it has been said by your Instructors — who should know — that this is probably the best ACC that we have ever had in terms of people. So thank you very much for being here, and I'll see you tomorrow.
Thank you.